Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727833]Ok. I haven't been checking out the bars. That's my problem too, I suppose. I'm 5 minutes from Soi Cowboy at the Asok stop on the BTS. At home, I'm used to going online, finding crazy hot "freelancers" and meeting them next day. Yes, it costs almost $1000 USD a meet, but the quality is outstanding. I'm finding very few young, hot freelance girls on Thai Friendly. A couple, but the freelancers seem to be old. If not old, they are not attractive. If they are young and attractive, they are very slow to meet. None have made it through the "sales funnel" to meeting yet. A few are looking for real boyfriends and I'm looking at meeting these eventually when they get around to it. Another cultural difference. At home I meet most girls the very next day. Tuje is limited here and girls are dragging it out.

For comparison sake, I have 149 unread messages in my inbox on Thai Friendly and I read most of them. I have many thousands on my home source. These are messages from girls where they send the first message but I'm not attracted. One thing I do notice is all the hot, young girls seem to be in Pattaya. Attached, this is my absolute favorite girl in all of Thailand. I'm trying to set up a meet but she is super slow at responding. I'm going to spend next week in Pattaya, but have had absolutely nobluvk here on Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha.

You've set your sights very high.

That girl is Janny, she is a very very successful InstaHo / OF girl, have a look at [URL]www.linktr.ee/jannyjin.[/URL].

What's more, she would be making 10,000 plus baht a day online before getting out of bed.

You said you're not a go out and party type guy anymore, well I can assure you she is.

And she would have young party guys with money willing to take her out and do what she wants, when she wants.

The hottest girls in Thailand make big money, and love to spend it.

So clearly you are aiming unrealistically with your wants, what you are seeking isn't likely to be found on InstaHo land, or TF.

I'd suggest you start scanning the high end escort sites.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2727667]You consider being in relationships with ex-bar girls as successful relationships? LOL. That tells me everything, the standards are so damn low.[/QUOTE]And that is why you have no understanding whatsoever of Thailand.

Having worked in a bar, does not make them a bargirl.

Their chosen lifestyle when working there does.

And many, especially away from your Pattaya screwed view, simply choose to never become bargirls.

They work there, enjoy their life, and stay pretty much rural Thai girls in their outlook on life.

A successful relationship is a successful relationship, no matter where the people come from.

They are defined by.

Longevity.

Happiness.

Respect.

Support.

Take your prejudices and preconceptions, and stay the f $%& home and lonely.

Common goals.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2727562]Needs to explain more.

30 year younger ex bargirl business relationship. What is going on?[/QUOTE]Explain it to you, nah.

You most likely wouldn't understand.

If you are truly interested, perhaps get out of the mongering only forums and mindset for a bit.

Instead have a look at expat life forums, FaceBook has lots of them, especially Isaan based ones.

Look at the life of people there, both in Thailand, and overseas.

You will see many many many successful relationships, with younger partners, many likely ex-bargirls.

Where they have established mutual business interests, and I don't mean paying them every month.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727833]Ok. I haven't been checking out the bars. That's my problem too, I suppose. I'm 5 minutes from Soi Cowboy at the Asok stop on the BTS. At home, I'm used to going online, finding crazy hot "freelancers" and meeting them next day. Yes, it costs almost $1000 USD a meet, but the quality is outstanding. I'm finding very few young, hot freelance girls on Thai Friendly..[/QUOTE]I've mongered here, Mexico and the US (west coast is where I am from).

If you're spending US $1000 per meet in the US you should definitely be able to find what you're looking for in Bangkok. Have you checked out the various websites (search for a recent post listing them). There are beautiful but expensive girls on those web sites.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2726070]As a foreigner it is hard to grasp the difference between a Western. Individualist society versus a Thai. Collective / Hierarchical Society.

In the west we base our decisions around our own selves or immediate family. Wife and kids.

In Thailand, particularly the north east region of Isan, decisions are made much more as a collective. Often a group of families living together or sharing resources. The individual's authority is laregly based upon what resources can be provided to the wider family structure.

So you will see working girls sending a good proportion of their earnings back the family. She is very much expected to contribute. This in turn bumps up her and her families status within the group. In the west we rarely or never do this, it just isn't part of our culture.

As Thailand is very much based on a Hierarchical Society. The chances of a lady from Isan, which is one of the poorest and lowest standing regions, meeting and marrying a wealthy white Thai man from a higher society Bangkok family would be rare. So the best chance of a lady from Isan is to marry a foreigner. Foreigners don't really care about the Hierarchical structure of Thai society. As long as she is hot that is alll we care about it.

Virtually every foreigner will have a relationship with a woman from Isan. It is so common that an industry within Isan has developed around this. There are several facebook groups with 100,000's + members all about how to have a relationship with foreigners, how to get money out of a foreigner, how to take advantage of a foreigner etc Every possible subject both good and bad can found within some group on the net. Even a new woman arriving in Bangkok will have some or even quite detailed knowledge about how to get the most out of her transactions with foreign men. The days where it would take new arrivals months or even a year to become wise to the little tricks are way gone. They pick it up in days now. Adding to this they will have their family back home reminding them on a daily basis how to extract resources for the collective from a farang.

I had a Thai GF for about a year and of course her family was from Isan. Everytime she would go back she would get shown all the big houses or farm extensions that foreigners had purchased in her vaillage for the family. Her mother used to ask her all the time "where is my house". If you have a Thai GF you are assumed to be part of their collective and are expected to contribute. As I did not have any intention of sticking with this particular girl for too long I just used to send a relatively small amount to the family and then just ignore the rest of the requests. My good little college girl from Isan turned out to be a nightmare after a year when she finally realised that she would be better off with another foreigner.

They move on very quickly and they always have a few options worked out before they go. They will also try to keep past boyfriends on the hook. They like to have a portfolio of options to maximise their chances of getting that house in Isan for mama.

As a foreigner I will never truly understand the intricate nature of Thai Culture. My overall strategy is to protect myself. Contribute a little to a girlfriends family and dodge the big ticket items. As a foreigner we never really get any credit from something contributed anyway.

Thai Bar Girl's Priorities List: (humour yes, but illustrative none the less).

1. Money.

2. Gold.

3. Food.

4. Sleeping.

5. Child or children.

6. Watching TV.

7. Grandparents, mother, father.

8. Her Thai boyfriend or husband, siblings and other family members.

9. Monks and temples.

10. Thai friends.

11. Every other Thai person in the world, down to the lowest Bangkok beggar.

12. The family buffalo.

13. Her pet dog, cat, bird, rabbit, squirrel or rat.

14. The fleas on the pet dog, cat, bird, rabbit, squirrel or rat.

15. You.[/QUOTE]Many have paid a fortune trying to reverse this order.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727699]OK.

I guess I didn't ask the right question or didn't ask it correctly. Or gave too many details. Sorry about that. I was hoping somebody could help me figure this out. I am not used to the culture here.

At home in the United States, I get way, way hotter girls than I'm finding in Bangkok. The girls here seem really old and if they are not old they seem really lazy. As you can see from my previous post, I don't even ask for much, but they want to breeze in for long time money and then get out in one hour I think.

Can anyone help me figure out how to do what I try to do here in Bangkok? What Avenue should I try? I have a bar girl that's good to go, but she's like 100 years old. I have freelancers that are good to go, but they seem really lazy.

I have not tried massage parlors and trying to get them to go a longer time.

What else can I try? How should I proceed?[/QUOTE]I'm here in BKK right now, only been here three days though. I get what you are saying. So far I've only used TF and it's mostly older women and the younger ones want more money then what they are worth IMO.

I had one over yesterday, she shows up with mask on and once we get upstairs the mask comes off and not a pretty sight, face didn't match pics well. I proceed ahead and she gives me a legit massage and then I move in for smashing and she says that cost more. And I'm like, do you really think I had you come to my room for a 1,500 massage?? At that point I just gave her the money and told her to leave. The level of entitlement and hard heartedness some of them have is sad.

I had two good experiences at the BJ bars.

Guys,

Visiting from India to Bangkok this weekend. Looking for couple of European strippers. Please DM me if you have any contacts.

Thanks guys. Thank you for pointing out the errors of my ways and providing some suggestions on where to get started.

It's weird. I conform completely to the culture in every other way. Then in one of the biggest aspects of the trip, I assert all these expectations from home and approach it like a pig headed American.

You guys are completely right. When in Rome and all that.

I'll try this all again from the perspective suggested here. Who knows? Maybe a mamasan will be able to help out with my requests for a tip. Might as well try.

I'm all alone out here on this trip (like a lot of people probably are when doing one of these trips) so I guess I just started heading off in the wrong direction. Just needed a nudge to point me back on track with the "Mai pen Rai" attitude that's so important here.

Can't believe I forgot to connect it to the mongering. Duh.

Go to any go-go bar, pick a girl (if you can find one based on your high standards), ask for the mamasan who speaks the best English (there is always one) explain to her exactly what you want and how much you will pay for it and make sure she understands you by repeating your request. She calls the girl over explains what you want and how much you will pay. The girl says yes problem solved, the girl says no, next.

I almost forgot tip the mamasan, tomorrow she will have 3 girls waiting for you to pick from.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727699] I hate to say it, but I do way way better in United States. Like 1000 times better. I thought this was supposed to be an awesome place. It's not working out for me. I think I need the help of the experts here. Can you please help?[/QUOTE]I hate to say it PuntgerMan, but just maybe Thailand is not for you. As other BM's have already pointed out, you should RTFF. I suggest that you Go back through the forum posts, seek out the repeat positive reviews of 4 or 5 of the most popular Go Go's in BKK and Pattaya and then check them out. I think you will find at least a few girls up to your standards in looks in the better Go Go's. Also you might want to check out the higher reviewed nightclubs in BKK and Pattaya if my advice on Go Go's does not work for you. And you should also pay a visit to a couple of the top tier BKK Soapy Massage parlors that are back open for business. The soapy girls will definitely provide you with the kind of service you desire.

I think all BKK girls in the better establishments will give you want you like, but since it sounds like what you seek is not exactly what the girls think most guys want, you will have to bring them along in a friendly manner and show them exactly what you like. As long as it is not too kinky, I am pretty sure the girls will be able to satisfy you. But like I said before, Thailand may just not be for you. It's funny, but, most of us consider the USA a sex prison. HA HA. I can't wait to escape 2 or 3 times a year.

[QUOTE=PuntgerMon;2727833]Ok. I haven't been checking out the bars. That's my problem too, I suppose. I'm 5 minutes from Soi Cowboy at the Asok stop on the BTS. At home, I'm used to going online, finding crazy hot "freelancers" and meeting them next day. Yes, it costs almost $1000 USD a meet, but the quality is outstanding.[/QUOTE]You mean to say that offering 35,000 baht for a 4-6 hour massage, slow edging session isn't working in Thailand? Hard to believe. Go to the massage shops near Suk 22 and start the offer at 30,000 for two girls.

My comments are a bit late but for those who are not aware I stayed on Suk 18 for a few days (first time in this area) and there are a lot of massage places around that area. And many in the range of 8-10 level of course there are a few with lower level number but really worth it.

Around 1500-2000 depending on the quality of the person.

If you are new to BKK try this area you won't be disappointed.

Also the SW around SuK 4 to Soi Cowboy are plentiful but are pricey and want payment up fornt which I don't do.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2728097]Go to any go-go bar, pick a girl (if you can find one based on your high standards), ask for the mamasan who speaks the best English (there is always one) explain to her exactly what you want and how much you will pay for it and make sure she understands you by repeating your request. She calls the girl over explains what you want and how much you will pay. The girl says yes problem solved, the girl says no, next.

I almost forgot tip the mamasan, tomorrow she will have 3 girls waiting for you to pick from.[/QUOTE]I was mentioning this further down in my posts and this seems like the best idea. Just work with the mamasan.

That's what I'm going to try. Got the old Bangkok belly tonight and didn't get to go out anywhere. Ha ha. I have been here for four days and I was practically celebrating the fact that I had no stomach issues. And then they hit tonight. Right before I started going out.

A related question about timing. Is it better to go out on a Saturday when there are more girls? Or on a Sunday when there are less guys? I'm leaning towards Sunday night because that way it won't be as busy for the girls maybe. More selection.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2728106]I hate to say it PuntgerMan, but just maybe Thailand is not for you. As other BM's have already pointed out, you should RTFF. I suggest that you Go back through the forum posts, seek out the repeat positive reviews of 4 or 5 of the most popular Go Go's in BKK and Pattaya and then check them out. I think you will find at least a few girls up to your standards in looks in the better Go Go's. Also you might want to check out the higher reviewed nightclubs in BKK and Pattaya if my advice on Go Go's does not work for you. And you should also pay a visit to a couple of the top tier BKK Soapy Massage parlors that are back open for business. The soapy girls will definitely provide you with the kind of service you desire.

I think all BKK girls in the better establishments will give you want you like, but since it sounds like what you seek is not exactly what the girls think most guys want, you will have to bring them along in a friendly manner and show them exactly what you like. As long as it is not too kinky, I am pretty sure the girls will be able to satisfy you. But like I said before, Thailand may just not be for you. It's funny, but, most of us consider the USA a sex prison. HA HA. I can't wait to escape 2 or 3 times a year.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to say thank you on this one also. Some good advice in here. But no, people were right on here. I'm going to make this place work. I guess the USA isn't a prison for me, it's just extremely expensive. That's all. I've had a lot of years to hone the craft there. Here, it's all a little different. And in thinking about that, I have started to view the first time with a girl as like a first date. Maybe just get the short stay and see if she's interested in upgrading to more once she understands what I like.

I'm either going tonight or Sunday night. I think Sunday night because I'm going to count on the fact that there are less guys out. At least I hope. Always good to stack the odds in your favor. 55555 Thanks again actually to everyone that responded. This is what I needed was a little bit of a pointing in the right direction. I'll definitely put some reports up about my experiences at the places. Just to add to the knowledge of Bangkok on the thread. It's a Pattaya next week for me.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2728140]You mean to say that offering 35,000 baht for a 4-6 hour massage, slow edging session isn't working in Thailand? Hard to believe. Go to the massage shops near Suk 22 and start the offer at 30,000 for two girls.[/QUOTE]Ok. I haven't been checking out the bars. That's my problem too, I suppose. I'm 5 minutes from Soi Cowboy at the Asok stop on the BTS. At home, I'm used to going online, finding crazy hot "freelancers" and meeting them next day. Yes, it costs almost $1000 USD a meet, but the quality is outstanding.

You mean to say that offering 35,000 baht for a 4-6 hour massage, slow edging session isn't working in Thailand? Hard to believe. Go to the massage shops near Suk 22 and start the offer at 30,000 for two girls.

They must mean BAHT not US $!