Angeles City

[QUOTE=X Man]Harry the Horse (web site) has also warned people about pickpockets at the mall. If anyone bumps you or drops something near you, you best pay attention to your wallet.

X[/QUOTE]What I always do, whether I am travelling or not is have a fat target for them. I carry an old wallet with some folded up paper to add to the thickness and a few low denomination bills inside. I carry it in my left rear pocket and I pat it frequently to add to the illusion. I carry my money in my right front pocket.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt]Nice take on the issues under discussion Matius, but I had to smile over your reference to Ivana Trump. She is appearing in Celebrity Big Brother UK at the moment. Have a look at the photo and you might be glad that you lost your 'dream of youth':eek:.[/QUOTE]

well, her daughter Ivanka is pretty nice to look at ;)

[QUOTE=Laylow3]uh, yeah right! ‘sooo much free pussy’ <- I don’t even think so. You guys pay and you know it. Probably not P4P but you take them out to eat at nice restaurants, you all stay at nice hotels, you all dress nice purposely, etc. Most of us who score for free don’t have to do ANY of that. It is our good looks, strength/vigour, and youth that gets us the poon tang. We can pull hotties dressed however we like and wherever not doing all that extra stuff that you old guys have to do. but you all call that ‘treating girls with respect’ haha, yeah sure, whatever works for you.


haha.
The point is no-one is saying that you older guys don’t get free poon or that just because you are old that means you totally suck. For me personally, all I’m plainly saying is that without all the money that you older guys have from working and saving during your lifetime, when compared to younger good looking guys, we will just about win every single time. Some women just like older guys but that is super tiny minority just like some guys like older women. I don’t really care either way because I know that we are all heading in the same direction. I’ll be old one day just like you all are now and I am not hiding or denying the fact that I will depend on the money that I’m saving up to get different poon daily. But to state that age doesn’t matter to girls in the P.I. and that older guys are the same as younger guys is just totally fucking wrong! And I don’t even see how everyone is debating this. As I said before, are any of you older guys chasing old ass grannies? I don’t fucking think so...[/QUOTE]

wow youre a piece of work. Aside from my own comments and others on the subject, let me give you some insight. Now mind you this is a generality. First of all, working girls aside, asian and filipina specifically arent like your average money ho in the states. They posses a respect and "woman-ness" most women in the states dont find until theyre grannies. As we as men get older, we like that. We like the GFE. Guys like you typically dont. Youre just looking for a hole to fill, and thats it. So in a way, older guys are looking for something different than you. That said, the reason the older crowd has better luck (and we do) than arrogant youngsters overseas, is we know how treat a woman. You may think you do, but you dont. Looks can only get you so far. But Ill tell you our experience nets us GFE all night long.

I have a friend who I met when she was 15, and that was 8 years ago. Since then she danced for a few years in Greenbelt. The thing she told me about younger guys is, "I may be a prostitute, but at least most older guys dont treat me like one." THAT is truth. Typically its younger guys who point and shoot in the bar, then wonder why they didnt get GFE. Guess what sparky-if you treat it like a business transaction, so will she. If you look through the various mongering boards you will find a consistant theme: ones who get runners or service other than expected are either young or were the point and click types. Having years experience and a marriage to a pinay, I can tell you when you strut around with your good looking self the only one youre impressing is yourself. That shit tujrns pinays off. You mistakenly think the most important thing is your looks. Typically naivity of youth.

Would we older guys have the same luck you do back home as you with younger girls? Probably not. But guess what partner-most of us wouldnt want what youre supposedly getting for free anyway. You can have em.

Generally speaking, of course ;)

[QUOTE=Matius]When I die, I want to come back as me--at 40 plus. Be it money or maturity, certainly not looks, never had so much fun until after I turned 40 and went to Asia for the first time. When I think about all the effort and stress required to be with a US. or European girl (notice the singular form of girl), and what can be had in Asia, including the Philippines. I never had as many 18 to 25 year old girls until after I turned 40 and went to Asia. Now in my 50's, the truth remains. Do I really care why this is true--Frankly no. Do I care that I pay $25 U.S.--not really as what does it cost to date in the U.S. Maybe things have changed dramatically in the U.S. since I was young, but I just don't remember suggesting to that 18 year old beauty that for $50 would she and her friend entertain giving me a good BJ and F, and having it happen every night if I wanted, with different girls. What I remember, once turning thirty and being single, was a dating pool around the same age, with their young kids and arrogant ex husband.

The point remains, if you are middle aged, been through that divorce, feeling your prime sex life has passed you by, then get on a plane, come to PI and live and be treated like a movie star. Can you imagine, finding that special someone, say a 20 year old beauty, going home to meet her folks (you with your fat belly and balding head) and have them be absolutely thrilled that you've come into their life. I remember in the U.S. a girl's parent's rejecting me because I was 25 and the girl was 18, too big an age difference. F..K that.

Laylow, I don't take any offense by the above report, and would not care if you have an advantage due to your age, even if you had wealth. There are so many girls here that are happy to have you (and your young self), but also us "old farts" (and our ugly selves). And as a young man, I would suggest you do stay in the U.S. and build yourself a life as it should be. There is no future here for a young man, but for a man that has already settled his life, career and mind, this is an excellent place to see that he can be appealing to the opposite sex. And while money may be a factor, that translates into providing a comfortable living standard to his girl, not Bill Gates type wealth. I know many retired service men, on pensions who have young beautiful wives, they live on a budget and all are very happy.

As to the mongering aspects, again I just don't think you can effectively date in the U.S. with less than $25 in your pocket, but here you can get a night of passion with a young beautiful women. Yes, you have to buy the plane ticket, but would not your young self also have to pay for transportation to go to spring break. Then even at home you need a car, an apartment, nice clothes, dating money. Here you need board shorts, beach cap, a $1 trike, $60 room and a smile on your face.

Using your report as a reason to respond, the youth culture of western countries and the political correctness of being a "good man vs. a dirty old man" allows middle age men to believe their prime is behind them. Not having the money and/or stature of Donald Trump, the Ivanna's of this world are a lost dream of youth. BS, come here, don't sit at home with your internet porn and having to go to hooters to see a pair of young breasts. Live like Hugh Hefner, without the magazine or the wealth. There are places all over the world with a different perspective to age than one sees in Europe or the U.S. and I believe Angeles City is the mecca of that perspective.[/QUOTE]

Nice post Matius, but let's remember that the PI is such a great place precisely because it's not completely overrun with people like us. if all the guys that should come here if they had any sense did come here, it wouldn't be the same. It would go the same way as Costa Rica. Fortunately the PI is a LONG flight from the US and most of the Euro guys are still too distracted with Thailand. There is talk in Pattaya of a new crackdown which would stop bar owners from earning bar fines. of course it will probably amount to nothing as the police in places like Pattaya are largely finanaced by the sex scene, but just suppose it was and all those who currently throng Pattaya came to PI. Disaster.

[QUOTE=Five10]Bought a box of same on the street in angeles yesterday for 1000 p...10 pills

Seemed to work...result not stronfer than the 20 mg I buy in the states.

Anyone else try this stuff?

Did a on line search-I don't see it advertised anywhere.

Best

Five10[/QUOTE]

Most of the occasional bad things that happen to people have a beginning in doing something they shouldn't. I think it has been repeated over and over here in this forum. Don't engage with the street vendors in Angeles. That is how you get ripped off, that is how you get pick pocketed and that is how you get set up by the police. Some may say they do this, the point is to avoid the potential, particularly if you don't know what you are doing.

Ok, think about this, you are buying drugs on the street???? First, you paid too much for it, its counterfeit products and sells for less than half. Second, you have no idea what you have put in your mouth, because it is counterfeit. Third, in the Philippines, you can buy cialis or viagra in any drug store without a prescription, even some of them sell counterfeit, but go to Mason drugs on Fields down from Magarita station, they sell the original, but it is the regular price. Most small bars, if you speak with the owner or manager can get you some of the knock-off stuff that they know to be good. Also some of the Chinese stuff, that is suppose to work. Finally, you are buying a controlled substance on the street, when you make your purchase and take the box, you have no idea what is in it, if so inclined any police man could stop and hold you.

Happy you are ok and nothing bad happened, but its just good advice to avoid these guys and girls on the street. The same to be said for the flower girls, cigarette guys, sunglass guys, any of them, I always avoid.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]Nice post Matius, but let's remember that the PI is such a great place precisely because it's not completely overrun with people like us. if all the guys that should come here if they had any sense did come here, it wouldn't be the same. It would go the same way as Costa Rica. Fortunately the PI is a LONG flight from the US and most of the Euro guys are still too distracted with Thailand. There is talk in Pattaya of a new crackdown which would stop bar owners from earning bar fines. of course it will probably amount to nothing as the police in places like Pattaya are largely finanaced by the sex scene, but just suppose it was and all those who currently throng Pattaya came to PI. Disaster.[/QUOTE]

What you say about Thailand, I've heard a variation that the local officials are trying to squeeze out the foreign bar owners. I have no first hand information on such, but it seems more and more loyal Thailand visitors are starting to come to AC. Even talked to a bar owner in Thailand who was selling out and thinking of buying in AC. He was not clear on why he wanted to move. It is also common knowledge that where once the occasional visa runs, now are required once every month or two, again see more Thailand expat's thinking of moving to PH.

I hear what you are saying about being over-run with tourists, simply not the case right now in AC. I suggest I am being overly conservative to believe there are 10 girls to every guy here, right now. Maybe its a hundred to every guy. But my point is less to promote AC tourism, rather a passion to undermine that western youth culture that strives to make every middle age man believe his life now consists of watching football on TV and drinking beer at home. Yes, it is a long flight from the U.S. to PH, but how many drive from say Michigan to Florida for a vacation. And here Minnie Mouse does not wear clothes. What satisfaction for every guy who comes here and say's he is a new man. For every guy going through a divorce, mid life crisis or plan feeling of lost youth, the doctor should prescribe a dose of Angeles City. Then getting back to Thailand (I don't know much about Costa Rica), while its been a few years and would still recommend it to someone, the one thing I did not like were the shirtless apes walking up and down the street being rude and obnoxious. I hope to be speaking to a different audience and would not like to see them here in Angeles.

[QUOTE=Five10][QUOTE=Youngster420]Thanks for all the great replies. The reason I ask about the reservation is because I'm going on short notice. Like within 5 days or so. Some of you mentioned reserving weeks even months in advance. Hopefully I can get a room. From the earlier posts (before the age arguments) it sounds like Angeles is pretty dead in terms of tourists at the moment?

Dead?.seems pretty lively to me. Took me 30 minutes on a trike at 8 pm Sat night to get from Fields down perimeter and to the clarkton. Made the best of it though as my girl was quite amorous in the trike amid the chaos.

Stayed 12 hours.3 rounds. Damage 1500 p plus 500 p tip-43. 50 USD

1st trip to Angeles after 30 days in Thailand. Upon arrival and perusal of the scene here I was thinking about leaving immediately. After last night and it's positive events I've decided to stay another few days. Getting acclimated

BTW-made my reso at the clarkton 1 day in advance.

Best,

Five10[/QUOTE]

Actually I am similarly just arrived after 30 days in Thailand. I can understand your initial reaction. The infrastructure in Angeles is poor, the food and accommodation inferior to Thailand and the bars / shows less interesting. Yet having been here 4 times before, I'm relieved to get away from Thailand and starting thinking of my 30 days in Pattaya as a waste of my time. Why? The girls here are much nicer, even in Angeles where because of the commercialisation it is perhaps more difficult than anywhere else in PI to find good girls. In Pattaya now it's increasingly difficult for me to find decent 18-25 year olds without a baby who will go with me for 500B even short time. Most of the real lookers in that category are now working at gogos or bars with 300-600B bar fine and a 1000-2000B price expectation. Typically they are not keen to stay all night as they either want to fit in another short time or get drunk and go dancing til 5am with their friends. What's the situation in Phils? I log on to YM and within 5 mins 3 18-20 year old cuties I had previously contacted me through DIA are asking when they can come around. 30 mins later a 19 year old with a 2000B short time body in Pattaya shows up for what she insists is her first experience with a foreigner. After taking me three times during the day I was woken up by her gently rubbing herself against my body during the night, I slid my hand down her nubile young body to find her pussy soaking wet. I silently slipped on a condom to give her satisfaction before contentedly falling asleep again.

She says she wants to stay with me as long as i want. She lost her 150P a day sales lady job a couple of weeks ago. Her aunty with whom she lives gave her the 75P trike fare to come to me and was texting her to encourage her to stay when she was nervously texting with her cell phone whilst I was in the shower before the first fuck (nervous about my size).

So far she has cost me an 89P c1 meal at Jollybees. Says its up to m if i give her anything. She said she had a girl friend whilst at school and enjoyed kissing her so the next challenge is to find a suitable playmate for a threesome.

In Pattaya this girl would have fucked me for 30 mins , then disappeared to the bathroom the instant i came come out dressed and determined to leave even if i had agreed long time.

Much as i love Tom Yum, I think I'll take the Jollybees

[QUOTE=Matius]What you say about Thailand, I've heard a variation that the local officials are trying to squeeze out the foreign bar owners. I have no first hand information on such, but it seems more and more loyal Thailand visitors are starting to come to AC. Even talked to a bar owner in Thailand who was selling out and thinking of buying in AC. He was not clear on why he wanted to move. It is also common knowledge that where once the occasional visa runs, now are required once every month or two, again see more Thailand expat's thinking of moving to PH.

I hear what you are saying about being over-run with tourists, simply not the case right now in AC. I suggest I am being overly conservative to believe there are 10 girls to every guy here, right now. Maybe its a hundred to every guy. But my point is less to promote AC tourism, rather a passion to undermine that western youth culture that strives to make every middle age man believe his life now consists of watching football on TV and drinking beer at home. Yes, it is a long flight from the U.S. to PH, but how many drive from say Michigan to Florida for a vacation. And here Minnie Mouse does not wear clothes. What satisfaction for every guy who comes here and say's he is a new man. For every guy going through a divorce, mid life crisis or plan feeling of lost youth, the doctor should prescribe a dose of Angeles City. Then getting back to Thailand (I don't know much about Costa Rica), while its been a few years and would still recommend it to someone, the one thing I did not like were the shirtless apes walking up and down the street being rude and obnoxious. I hope to be speaking to a different audience and would not like to see them here in Angeles.[/QUOTE]

Yes rather embarrassingly many of those shirtless apes in Pattaya are British. The problem in CR is not that the Americans that go there are of that ilk, they are mostly reasonably respectable middle aged guys. The issue is that they have imported US attitudes and prices. IN South America i prefer Colombia because alot of American guys are still worried about going there because they think they will get kidnapped or something. generally it takes about 10 years after a change that the news filters through to average Americans so I guess Colombia has about 5 good years left before it too gets swamped.

[QUOTE=Blackangst]wow youre a piece of work. Aside from my own comments and others on the subject, let me give you some insight. Now mind you this is a generality. First of all, working girls aside, asian and filipina specifically arent like your average money ho in the states. They posses a respect and "woman-ness" most women in the states dont find until theyre grannies. As we as men get older, we like that. We like the GFE. Guys like you typically dont. Youre just looking for a hole to fill, and thats it. So in a way, older guys are looking for something different than you. That said, the reason the older crowd has better luck (and we do) than arrogant youngsters overseas, is we know how treat a woman. You may think you do, but you dont. Looks can only get you so far. But Ill tell you our experience nets us GFE all night long.

I have a friend who I met when she was 15, and that was 8 years ago. Since then she danced for a few years in Greenbelt. The thing she told me about younger guys is, "I may be a prostitute, but at least most older guys dont treat me like one." THAT is truth. Typically its younger guys who point and shoot in the bar, then wonder why they didnt get GFE. Guess what sparky-if you treat it like a business transaction, so will she. If you look through the various mongering boards you will find a consistant theme: ones who get runners or service other than expected are either young or were the point and click types. Having years experience and a marriage to a pinay, I can tell you when you strut around with your good looking self the only one youre impressing is yourself. That shit tujrns pinays off. You mistakenly think the most important thing is your looks. Typically naivity of youth.

Would we older guys have the same luck you do back home as you with younger girls? Probably not. But guess what partner-most of us wouldnt want what youre supposedly getting for free anyway. You can have em.

Generally speaking, of course ;)[/QUOTE]

Seems to me (speaking as a middle aged guy) that Laylow has made some more reasonable points than he has been given credit for.

I think women think about several issues when considering a partner: in order of priority:

1 immediate food rent and basic needs and if she has become addicted, drugs and alcohol
2 long term prospects for support
3 sexual fulfilment and attraction.

If she has no cash at all, No 1 is the overriding priority, if her immediate needs are covered then she starts thinking about no2 and if that is resolved then no 3.

For the typical Pattaya girl on beach road No 1 is the priority. In this case older guys are much preferred as they will generally pay up, and not fuck them too hard (so they can have more customers per day). Many of the beach road girls will not be at all keen on guys under 30 if they have a choice.

For most girls one meets in Phils, No 2 is the top priority. They are not concerned about how many times or how strongly guys fuck them because they dont get the traffic that the Pattaya beach road girls can get. Most Phil girls will conclude that the chances of a Western guy under 35 wanting to settle down and marry them are close to zero as such guys have so many other choices sexually, so they will generally target guys over 35 who they figure are better prospects for a long term meal ticket.

Many of the top end gogo or bar girls have got priorities 1 and 2 covered. they are making say 30,000-70,000B a month so 1 is not a concern. In many cases they have a couple of suckers in Europe sending them 10-20,000 a month if they promise to be a good girl. So after a quick bar fine and short time they head out to the discos with their friends and are often willing to give a freebie to a young handsome western guy (a) because they may find him attractive and like the way he fucks and (b) because being seen with such a guy is a high status simple amongst their friends. Alternatively, maybe 50% of the girls in Pattaya have young Thai boyfriends, often the moto riders to whom they give free sex and maybe half their earnings in return for supposed love but in fact more typically, being treated like shit.

In the West, the availability of decently paid jobs or social security means that the majority of girls have 1 covered. The legally and socially imposed monogamy means that they are not all competing for a slice of a few rich and wealthy guys (as is the case with the relatively small number of foreigners in the phils), this means that 2 can be more or less set aside during her 20s and she can concentrate on factor 3. ie looking for handsome guys of a comparable age to herself.

Greg

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Uh oh. I hope this does not make AC the next Pattaya.

There were times when I thought AC was such a pain getting to, especially with Cebu Pacific credit card hassles. Less frequent flights. etc.

But that sort of makes it unspoiled.


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Kuwait-based firm to develop airport
Wednesday, January 6, 2010

CLARK FREEPORT -- A Kuwait-based firm, Almal Investment Company, has committed to develop the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) with a total investment of $1.2 billion. Clark International Airport Corporation Chairman Nestor S. Mangio said Almal Investment Company, a subsidiary of M.A. Kharafi Group, has sent to his office a proposal for the development of the Clark airport. In its proposal dated December 24, 2009, the company expressed its desire to develop all civil components of DMIA Terminal 1, 2, and 3 based on the corporation's master plan. "Almal Investment Company is committed to the development of Terminal 2 at a total investment of $100 million representing Phase 1 [of the whole project]. It will be completed in two years after the signing of the Joint Venture Agreement," Mangio said. Terminal 2 will have a total floor area of 35,000 square meters and a capacity of seven million passengers per year, according to Mangio. The components of the project include airport equipment of DMIA 2, airport plaza, transport plaza, covered parking area, expansion of existing apron facilities, widening and improvement of access roads with interchanges, among others. "The company develops aerotropolis. It builds cities around airports," Mangio said. Upon signing and execution of the Concession Agreement, Almal-Pride Consortium shall pay CIAC non-refundable goodwill money in the amount of P100 million. "So far, it is the most firm offer with the amount of goodwill money of P100 million which the company will give to the government," Mangio said. The CIAC Board already approved on Monday the company's proposal and that a draft of the legal contract is now being prepared, according to Mangio. Almal will form a Joint Venture Company with CIAC on a 70/30 sharing. "CIAC will get 30 percent of the JVCO for contributing the leasehold rights over the land," Mangio said. CIAC will not contribute cash nor issue a government guarantee for the project, he added. The duration of the Joint Venture Agreement is 45 years, renewable for another 25 years subject to mutual agreement of the parties involved and the limitations imposed by the laws, rules, and regulations of the Philippines. Mangio said the company will review the feasibility study and develop a master plan within six months. Firms, which participated in the previous biddings for the development of the DMIA are welcome to challenge Almal Investment Company, CIAC officials said. (RGN)

Does Voodoo Lounge have a ST room?

[QUOTE=Five10]Bought a box of same on the street in angeles yesterday for 1000 p...10 pills

Seemed to work...result not stronfer than the 20 mg I buy in the states.

Anyone else try this stuff?

Did a on line search-I don't see it advertised anywhere.

Best

Five10[/QUOTE]

Its fake but will probably have the correct active ingredient.

Not sure about 50g ones. I have seen them sell like a bulk 50 or 100 tab, not sure about those either. From memory, 1 box 20mg x 4 pills should be about 200p.

To minimize any rip offs, buy 1 sample packet and tell the vendor you will be back for more if it works. When buying multiple packets, get him to take it out of the box to check he's not selling you an empty box.

[QUOTE=GregLondon]Seems to me (speaking as a middle aged guy) that Laylow has made some more reasonable points than he has been given credit for.

I think women think about several issues when considering a partner: in order of priority:

1 immediate food rent and basic needs and if she has become addicted, drugs and alcohol
2 long term prospects for support
3 sexual fulfilment and attraction.

If she has no cash at all, No 1 is the overriding priority, if her immediate needs are covered then she starts thinking about no2 and if that is resolved then no 3.

For the typical Pattaya girl on beach road No 1 is the priority. In this case older guys are much preferred as they will generally pay up, and not fuck them too hard (so they can have more customers per day). Many of the beach road girls will not be at all keen on guys under 30 if they have a choice.

For most girls one meets in Phils, No 2 is the top priority. They are not concerned about how many times or how strongly guys fuck them because they dont get the traffic that the Pattaya beach road girls can get. Most Phil girls will conclude that the chances of a Western guy under 35 wanting to settle down and marry them are close to zero as such guys have so many other choices sexually, so they will generally target guys over 35 who they figure are better prospects for a long term meal ticket.

Many of the top end gogo or bar girls have got priorities 1 and 2 covered. they are making say 30,000-70,000B a month so 1 is not a concern. In many cases they have a couple of suckers in Europe sending them 10-20,000 a month if they promise to be a good girl. So after a quick bar fine and short time they head out to the discos with their friends and are often willing to give a freebie to a young handsome western guy (a) because they may find him attractive and like the way he fucks and (b) because being seen with such a guy is a high status simple amongst their friends. Alternatively, maybe 50% of the girls in Pattaya have young Thai boyfriends, often the moto riders to whom they give free sex and maybe half their earnings in return for supposed love but in fact more typically, being treated like shit.

In the West, the availability of decently paid jobs or social security means that the majority of girls have 1 covered. The legally and socially imposed monogamy means that they are not all competing for a slice of a few rich and wealthy guys (as is the case with the relatively small number of foreigners in the phils), this means that 2 can be more or less set aside during her 20s and she can concentrate on factor 3. ie looking for handsome guys of a comparable age to herself.

Greg[/QUOTE]

For the most part I agree with your comments; however, your 3 points can be said for just about ANY woman in ANY country. My comments were directed I guess as to laylow's incorrect statements as to age vs freebies.

[quote=poopbunny]uh oh. i hope this does not make ac the next pattaya.[/quote]i wouldn't start worrying about that yet, at least not based on all the supposed big plans we keep hearing about for dmia.

actually these days, from my part of the world, i already find it just as easy to fly into clark as manila. daily flights from both kl and singapore, and cheap too. now if air asia would just start that bangkok-clark service they keep talking about . . . .