Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2757067]So landed in Bangkok on Thursday night and was running on fumes after being up and traveling for pretty much 24 hours. I convert some money at the super rich all the way down on the bottom level which sucked for me. Headed out to grab a taxi and I had already read MaxBkk report #51725 about the taxi but me being too tired agreed to 500 Baht. It wasn't until I saw red analog numbers of the meter being hidden behind a small towel did I realize my folly. Got to my hotel and took a nice shower and ate my club sandwich that I ordered. Downed a Red Bull then walked to Nana Plaza which was 10 minutes away and just checked out the mentioned spots. I sat in most of the Rainbow bars and saw some girls I liked. But wasn't too sure if 3000 Baht for ST was reasonable so I left. Headed to Soi Cowboy and went to Chrome Bar as previously mentioned here. As Toppers report #52220 mentioned I went across to another bar to pick a girl and then back to Chrome. Rates are 1500 Baht for an hour and got a nice nuru from a lady named Som but unfortunately couldn't cum as I was way to tired. Headed back to Nana and back into Rainbow 4 and tried to see if one of the girls I liked was still there but no dice. Headed back to the hotel and passed out. Day 2 & 3 will be up later.[/QUOTE]Nice FR.

Yes, those airport taxis, the taxi mafia, still have you at a disadvantage. You're tired, your bags are in the trunk, and all you want to do is get to the hotel. So you paid a couple of hundred baht extra (he can pocket that and report the meter's bill). Still [S]...[/S] next time, you might try, as you're sitting in the taxi, just say "My Pie, meter" (close enough to the Thai pronunciation without the tones) that they'll understand. It's understood as "I don't go". Or "My Ou (ch), kap. Meter". It's the "ou" in "ouch"; leave out the "ch". That's "No thank you (as in I don't want)". For me, it works on taxi drivers, pushy tuk-tuk drivers, touts [S]...[/S] Yes, it's about one of 10 Thai phrases I know, but it can mark you as "not a first time tourist, been here before, I know the game". Or just be happy the guy got a nice tip.

And for the Newbie's: it is customary to round up on taxi fares to the nearest 10's, as in for that 53 baht fare, I'll give 60 and say "kap". (thanks)

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2757078]Arrive in BKK tomorrow. Been to Thailand many times but never visited Thermae.

According to the maps it is on the main road near Soi 15 at Ruamchitt Plaza Hotel. But is it part of the hotel, next door, or nearby?[/QUOTE]So close [S]...[/S] It's actually UNDER the hotel. Just look for the stairs leading down as you're standing on the sidewalk, facing the hotel, the stairs are on your right.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2757086]So close [S]...[/S] It's actually UNDER the hotel. Just look for the stairs leading down as you're standing on the sidewalk, facing the hotel, the stairs are on your right.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for that. I knew I was warm, but couldn't see any signs.

So I'm in BKK tomorrow and have been trying out TF. Made contact with several nice looking girls, along with a tsunami of grannies from all over the country. I can't find any settings in TF that would filter out ladies who do not match my age range and location. Anyone know if this is possible?

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2757109]So I'm in BKK tomorrow and have been trying out TF. Made contact with several nice looking girls, along with a tsunami of grannies from all over the country. I can't find any settings in TF that would filter out ladies who do not match my age range and location. Anyone know if this is possible?[/QUOTE]I suppose you mean that you want to prevent that they can send you messages and 'like' you. Unfortunately this is not possible. I'm also flooded by grannies when I use TF, some of them even older than me.

So it's Day 2 Friday and I maybe only slept 4 hours. Head to the fitness center in the hotel and work out a bit. Showered, changed and then ate breakfast down at the lobby. I decided to go for a walk today so Googled Doki Doki and was off. It was about 30 minutes away, so made sure to bring a water. Saw some massage spots with some good looking woman along Sukhumvit but wasn't sure if they offered extras. Finally made it to Doki Doki and saw some fellow mongers waiting. I was shown some pictures of who was available and picked a slim looking woman with silicone named Whiskey LOL. Took the 90 minutes option and headed up stairs and she cleaned me off. Maybe it was an off day but that was a bad performance on her part. The nuru felt good but the BBBJ was the tip in her mouth with stroke action. Then about 30 minutes of going to town on her I can see she is getting tired. So had her try to finish me off with a HJ with light sucking action until even that got tiring. I tried concentrating but eventually when I opened my eyes I saw her staring out into the unknown probably wondering what hell she's been doing with her life. Told her to stop, she washed me up and we ended with a back massage that she was actually good at. Changed and headed out without tipping. Well got back to my hotel and took a shower and relaxed before heading back out at 8. So once again went out started walking down Sukhumvit until I got to Soi Cowboy. Made that turn and headed into Wood Bar. It was 800 baht for 30 min BBBJ only. Picked this younger looking girl wearing oversized glasses named Bom. Headed upstairs and dropped my shorts and she washed my junk real nice before sitting me down on the recliner. She gave an awesome BBBJ with DT action. She definitely got my first nut out of the way. Cleaned me up and headed towards Nana again. Before that I noticed a large influx of Arab shops in some back streets. Was surprised seeing so many so decided to scope it out. Saw some massage shops with some questionable women. Headed out of the area and crossed the street towards Nana until I saw these 2 Arab / EE women. I mentioned that in report #53154 for possible Intel. Once again went up and down the Plaza until I ended in Random 1. Found this gorgeous young girl who's name escapes me but wanted to bar fine her all night. Unfortunately she informed me she was on her period and couldn't go but told me to take her friend. The friend was also a slim cute girl with a very nice perky butt. So being horny I decided to take her and it was surprisingly a great time. She wanted to stay all night but it being 2 am I really wanted to get some sleep. So let her leave and ordered a burger before attempting to sleep. Day 3 report coming later.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2757083]Nice FR.

Yes, those airport taxis, the taxi mafia, still have you at a disadvantage. You're tired, your bags are in the trunk, and all you want to do is get to the hotel. So you paid a couple of hundred baht extra (he can pocket that and report the meter's bill). Still [S]...[/S] next time, you might try, as you're sitting in the taxi, just say "My Pie, meter" (close enough to the Thai pronunciation without the tones) that they'll understand. It's understood as "I don't go". Or "My Ou (ch), kap. Meter". It's the "ou" in "ouch"; leave out the "ch". That's "No thank you (as in I don't want)". For me, it works on taxi drivers, pushy tuk-tuk drivers, touts [S]...[/S] Yes, it's about one of 10 Thai phrases I know, but it can mark you as "not a first time tourist, been here before, I know the game". Or just be happy the guy got a nice tip.

And for the Newbie's: it is customary to round up on taxi fares to the nearest 10's, as in for that 53 baht fare, I'll give 60 and say "kap". (thanks)[/QUOTE]The first couple visits I was very frustrated with the taxi drivers. Wanted to take the airport rail link, but flights leaving North America during the daytime arrive BKK in the middle of the night, and some years ago, the airport rail link stopped running at 10 PM (now runs until midnight). I changed my flights, and now take a red-eye from the USA, arrive in BKK early afternoon, take the airport rail link for 40 THB ($1.25) to the Phaya Thai stop on the Sukhumvit BTS line, then a few stops on the BTS to my hotel near the Ploen Chit stop for another 30 or 40 baht. I do not mind the train, actually I rather enjoy the train, and I don't feel taken advantage of by a taxi driver. I understand that some want a taxi directly to the hotel as it is convenient and may seem faster. However, given Bangkok's traffic, the train may be as fast or even faster.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;2757109]So I'm in BKK tomorrow and have been trying out TF. Made contact with several nice looking girls, along with a tsunami of grannies from all over the country. I can't find any settings in TF that would filter out ladies who do not match my age range and location. Anyone know if this is possible?[/QUOTE]It's not possible to do what you ask but all you have to do is mark your profile as appear offline. Then no one can see your profile when you are browsing. The down side is no one will contact you first but I can live with that. I only want to talk to ladies that I select anyway.

I am probably the grumpiest failure of a monger around. And my first week of Thailand (as a free man) is coming to a close. And I have much to complain.

First of all, I had fancied the idea of going to these BJ bars, Lolitas and Kasalong, an I made sure I stayed very close by. But these were completely dead let down. They aren't even trying. I mean at Lolitas they were supposed to wear cute schoolgirl uniforms, but like I said, they aren't even trying. There is some older hags sitting around. Kasalong, I gave it an attempt anyway. The seasoned attendant (the only one showing any interest to serve) did her routine, but also, I felt without any real effort, as time went on, it didn't do it for me. When time was up, I decided I wouldn't force it and wouldn't pay another round of this.

Overall the freelancer scene around the Nana Hotel did not impress me. The very few who I might find pretty seem to have a horrible attitude, looking bored, messing with their cellphones. Back from my youth, Thai girls had a special allure to me, but as my life moved on, I see in many of them the faces of elderly Chinese women who I worked with professionally, it's hard to unsee that. Thai women look a lot younger than they are on the surface, up to a point. So many of the freelancers there I am sure are scratching their 40's. But then the young appearance is false, and it's hard to unsee the elderly Chinese colleagues in their faces. Since I like curves, it's another thing missing here. Those who do have them seem very tall and I don't like that, especially since I abhor even the slightest risk of ending up with a tranny after my one incident in Bogota.

I had no interest to sit down in any of those bars with the old dudes. I walked around inside the Nana Plaza, and I guess I should have done a go-go bar once. Probably will do that still while here. But I have no interest in drinking beer and be pushed to drink more. Today in the early afternoon I walked all the way from Nana to Silom and Patpong, and Patpong was a very sad sight. Seemed totally dead. Of course it may have been too early in the day, but I remember 10 years ago in the early afternoon there was still something going on. Now it looks like half of the places are closed altogether. I don't even recognize any of it any more.

Yesterday I was at Aya for a Nuru. And I guess that was alright. I came out smiling. So I had read about all the Nuru places. How Chrome Bar is essentially closed and you have to pick someone from Wood Bar (oh, yes, there too I found nothing appetizing sitting on that balcony so I didn't go in. Doki Doki and Aya was on my short list. Since the girl I wanted from Doki wasn't on the roster of the day, I decided for Aya. Actually I read one dude saying the Doki or the other way more expensive place starting with D also (can't remember) were using lots of Nuru gel and that the lack of friction was actually detrimental. Another dude was complaining that Aya wasn't using enough of the gel. So I thought, that should be good. Went to Aya and took Kate because she has more curves (a little chubby belly which I don't mind, especially with that belly button piercing). She was nice, I like falling in love a bit with my girl, like Trantra, you know, where you go in with the heart. She was open to that. She isn't a massage professional (she learned it from a friend who I guess initiated her in the art) but I can say that the standard of practice in Thailand is certainly far superior that of Brazil, therefore, even just some casually inducted girl will do a better job than in South America. So I quite enjoyed the pressure she applied, and the thought of being ridden up and down my back with that girl's pussy was quite a nice thought to behold. Couldn't wait to turn around though and have her do the same on my front side, all the way up over my face. I didn't even mind that she wasn't shaved. DFK was so-so, but she didn't turn away, which was nice. I took a long time, so much that our time of 60 minutes ran out. So I ended up buying another 1500 over on top of the 3000 I had paid (lesson here: next time I take 90 min right from the start, cheaper that way). I did it because we had good chemistry. I helped with my hand while she was slurping with her mouth and looked at me quite in a nice way from down there. And finally I came. She caught the first squirt or 3 large ones, and she made me think she gulped that first one down. Nice touch. Then we had time left, showered again and she was doing more massage which was pleasant. I would see her again I think. Like I said, I went out smiling.

So it wasn't all bad. And maybe I still get into the groove.

But the world's grumpiest failure of a monger will go on grumping a bit. I can't wait to get home to South America. Because I like them more there. Not just the curves and all, but also even the attitude. One thing that I notice a lot, and did not at all expect, and really I find it upsetting, is that they are quite discriminatory of age here. I don't look that old, and I don't look that bad, yet I feel like because of my age showing in my hair color, the younger ones don't even try to get my attention (I mean the freelancers). And on the ThaiFriendly site, even though its all full of freelancers there, I have a similar suspicion. In Colombia and Brazil I feel much less of that.

Having just come from India, where this age issue is even worse, I was nevertheless thinking that actually India could be better, even cheaper, for mongering, with the only problem being that the "red light districts" don't have nice accommodation, which is the biggest turn off there. Not even a room they have. But as far as attractiveness of girls, actually I was surprised to find myself wishing for a moment to be back there. Or have the girls from there in the atmosphere of here, with less crowds (the crowds of dudes over there are a turn off, that's better here. The old geezers here are mostly not part-taking in the action, instead they just sit and drink beer.).

What I find alarming and a possible sign of the entire scene collapsing soon is the fact that there are so many couples and even families to be seen around here. The pessimist grump in me sees that the good old days are over, and soon Bangkok will be just a place of wistful memories of old long gone times, with families touring around like the Mulain Rouge in Paris or New Orleans, maybe ordering a drink called "Blow Jog" but girls all getting virtual attention on Only Fans. Oh, and what's it with the hair dye here? I remember 20 years ago, when I was here not as a free man, I was so smitten by their long black hair, held together by crocodile clips, I loved that. And I could see their faces. Now they are all running around with masks, these stupid masks! And even 10 years ago I had noticed these stupid hair cuts they started to use, like imported from China or Japan. God, I hate these stupid hair cuts with the stupid fringes, and then all colored brown or blond. This is odious!

So there you have it. Mr. Grump is not impressed. Next is Pattaya.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2757180]I am probably the grumpiest failure of a monger around. And my first week of Thailand (as a free man) is coming to a close. And I have much to complain.

First of all, I had fancied the idea of going to these BJ bars, Lolitas and Kasalong, an I made sure I stayed very close by. But these were completely dead let down. They aren't even trying. I mean at Lolitas they were supposed to wear cute schoolgirl uniforms, but like I said, they aren't even trying. There is some older hags sitting around. Kasalong, I gave it an attempt anyway. The seasoned attendant (the only one showing any interest to serve) did her routine, but also, I felt without any real effort, as time went on, it didn't do it for me. When time was up, I decided I wouldn't force it and wouldn't pay another round of this.

Overall the freelancer scene around the Nana Hotel did not impress me. The very few who I might find pretty seem to have a horrible attitude, looking bored, messing with their cellphones. Back from my youth, Thai girls had a special allure to me, but as my life moved on, I see in many of them the faces of elderly Chinese women who I worked with professionally, it's hard to unsee that. Thai women look a lot younger than they are on the surface, up to a point. So many of the freelancers there I am sure are scratching their 40's. But then the young appearance is false, and it's hard to unsee the elderly Chinese colleagues in their faces. Since I like curves, it's another thing missing here. Those who do have them seem very tall and I don't like that, especially since I abhor even the slightest risk of ending up with a tranny after my one incident in Bogota.

I had no interest to sit down in any of those bars with the old dudes. I walked around inside the Nana Plaza, and I guess I should have done a go-go bar once. Probably will do that still while here. But I have no interest in drinking beer and be pushed to drink more. Today in the early afternoon I walked all the way from Nana to Silom and Patpong, and Patpong was a very sad sight. Seemed totally dead. Of course it may have been too early in the day, but I remember 10 years ago in the early afternoon there was still something going on. Now it looks like half of the places are closed altogether. I don't even recognize any of it any more.

Yesterday I was at Aya for a Nuru. And I guess that was alright. I came out smiling. So I had read about all the Nuru places. How Chrome Bar is essentially closed and you have to pick someone from Wood Bar (oh, yes, there too I found nothing appetizing sitting on that balcony so I didn't go in. Doki Doki and Aya was on my short list. Since the girl I wanted from Doki wasn't on the roster of the day, I decided for Aya. Actually I read one dude saying the Doki or the other way more expensive place starting with D also (can't remember) were using lots of Nuru gel and that the lack of friction was actually detrimental. Another dude was complaining that Aya wasn't using enough of the gel. So I thought, that should be good. Went to Aya and took Kate because she has more curves (a little chubby belly which I don't mind, especially with that belly button piercing). She was nice, I like falling in love a bit with my girl, like Trantra, you know, where you go in with the heart. She was open to that. She isn't a massage professional (she learned it from a friend who I guess initiated her in the art) but I can say that the standard of practice in Thailand is certainly far superior that of Brazil, therefore, even just some casually inducted girl will do a better job than in South America. So I quite enjoyed the pressure she applied, and the thought of being ridden up and down my back with that girl's pussy was quite a nice thought to behold. Couldn't wait to turn around though and have her do the same on my front side, all the way up over my face. I didn't even mind that she wasn't shaved. DFK was so-so, but she didn't turn away, which was nice. I took a long time, so much that our time of 60 minutes ran out. So I ended up buying another 1500 over on top of the 3000 I had paid (lesson here: next time I take 90 min right from the start, cheaper that way). I did it because we had good chemistry. I helped with my hand while she was slurping with her mouth and looked at me quite in a nice way from down there. And finally I came. She caught the first squirt or 3 large ones, and she made me think she gulped that first one down. Nice touch. Then we had time left, showered again and she was doing more massage which was pleasant. I would see her again I think. Like I said, I went out smiling.

So it wasn't all bad. And maybe I still get into the groove.

But the world's grumpiest failure of a monger will go on grumping a bit. I can't wait to get home to South America. Because I like them more there. Not just the curves and all, but also even the attitude. One thing that I notice a lot, and did not at all expect, and really I find it upsetting, is that they are quite discriminatory of age here. I don't look that old, and I don't look that bad, yet I feel like because of my age showing in my hair color, the younger ones don't even try to get my attention (I mean the freelancers). And on the ThaiFriendly site, even though its all full of freelancers there, I have a similar suspicion. In Colombia and Brazil I feel much less of that.

Having just come from India, where this age issue is even worse, I was nevertheless thinking that actually India could be better, even cheaper, for mongering, with the only problem being that the "red light districts" don't have nice accommodation, which is the biggest turn off there. Not even a room they have. But as far as attractiveness of girls, actually I was surprised to find myself wishing for a moment to be back there. Or have the girls from there in the atmosphere of here, with less crowds (the crowds of dudes over there are a turn off, that's better here. The old geezers here are mostly not part-taking in the action, instead they just sit and drink beer.).

What I find alarming and a possible sign of the entire scene collapsing soon is the fact that there are so many couples and even families to be seen around here. The pessimist grump in me sees that the good old days are over, and soon Bangkok will be just a place of wistful memories of old long gone times, with families touring around like the Mulain Rouge in Paris or New Orleans, maybe ordering a drink called "Blow Jog" but girls all getting virtual attention on Only Fans. Oh, and what's it with the hair dye here? I remember 20 years ago, when I was here not as a free man, I was so smitten by their long black hair, held together by crocodile clips, I loved that. And I could see their faces. Now they are all running around with masks, these stupid masks! And even 10 years ago I had noticed these stupid hair cuts they started to use, like imported from China or Japan. God, I hate these stupid hair cuts with the stupid fringes, and then all colored brown or blond. This is odious!

So there you have it. Mr. Grump is not impressed. Next is Pattaya.[/QUOTE]You might be mistaking Age Discrimination for another kind of Discrimination.

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2757067]Headed to Soi Cowboy and went to Chrome Bar as previously mentioned here.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2757138]So once again went out started walking down Sukhumvit until I got to Soi Cowboy. Made that turn and headed into Wood Bar.[/QUOTE]The only Chrome and Wood bars of which I'm aware are on Soi 7/1. Perhaps they have different branches on Soi Cowboy. Or, perhaps you are thinking 7/1 is Cowboy and you have not yet discovered the real Soi Cowboy.

Based on your comments about walking back and forth to Nana and nearby Arab shops makes me think you were actually on 7/1. Soi 7/1 is directly off Sukhumvit while Cowboy does not intersect Sukhumvit. The walk from Cowboy to Nana Plaza is well over a km whereas 7/1 to Nana Plaza is about half that far.

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2757138]So once again went out started walking down Sukhumvit until I got to Soi Cowboy. Made that turn and headed into Wood Bar.[/QUOTE]I thought he just skipped a description of part of the journey, but agree with [B]HorseTrader[/B].

For the record, and Newbie's, Soi Cowboy runs between Soi 21, aka Soi Asoke, and Soi 23, PARALLEL to Sukhumvit. From Soi Asoke, it's on the far (increasing soi numbers) side of the Asoke BTS stop; crossing Asoke NOW made easy by the underground passage (escalator down) just after the exit from BTS. You should be on the left hand side of Sukhumvit when walking away from Nana (odd numbered side); that is, the Chase Bank side of the Sukhumvit / Asoke intersection. On Asoke, walk away from Chase Bank, past the Metro entrance, and the next alley to your right is Cowboy.

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2757138]She wanted to stay all night but it being 2 am I really wanted to get some sleep. So let her leave and ordered a burger before attempting to sleep. [/QUOTE]Skipped the [I]morning wakeup[/I]? That hotel breakfast must be good. Nice FR.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2757180]I am probably the grumpiest failure of a monger around. And my first week of Thailand (as a free man) is coming to a close. And I have much to complain.[/QUOTE]Thailand floats many boats, but not all. With all due respect, IMHO, like most things in life, what you get out of it is a direct function of what you put into it. WG's have a very keen sense, and who wants to try and [I]entertain[/I] Grumpy? One time, bg sits down, says, "Why you no smile? Why you not happy?" I said, "Not happy because I not have you. Have you, happy". True statement, she validated my words. Last time in BKK, walked down Soi 23. Spied a young cutie in front of an MP, her face buried in her phone. I stopped in front of her. Maybe she thought I was waiting for a bus as she didn't look up, but my toes WERE pointed TOWARDS her. Guess she did notice the FEET were not moving and she did look up for all of half a millisecond, back to her phone. I silently thanked her because if she had shown interest, I would have had that massage. But with NO interest, easy to remove her from the potential target list. Who wants to be in a room with THAT attitude? And WHENEVER I'm rejected due to (you say old, I say mature and experienced), I just remember one instance in a DXB bar. Two PRC's, I walked over to talk to one. She looked at me, said "I no like old man", and walked away. Fine. The other girl grabbed my arm and said, "She crazy. Young man want to f*ck all night, hard work. Old man, f*ck once, sleep. Easy work. I LIKE old man. " And she did, even if I proved one of her statements wrong.

Also, for me, walking around comparing BKK now to any other place or time is counterproductive. Yes, it's NOT DXB in the '00's. It's not BKK in the 90's. Back then, you could walk down Sukhumvit, even from Asoke to World Trade (no sky train), you smile at passing Thais, you'd get a smile back, just about EVERY time. It was the Land of Smiles. Lower Suk, number of falangs. Upper Suk, very few. Soi 55 was nothing but shop houses. Now? Everybody has that 100 yard stare, everybody just blobs of meat to not bump into. Soi 55 so [I]developed[/I], last time I was there, I could walk blocks and not see a single [U]Thai[/U] on the street. Fine, it's NOW, not THEN. Myself, wherever I am, that's reality (duh). Sure, sometimes, late at night, I might think, damn, if this was DXB, I'd have had a home-cooked Chinese meal, she would have cleaned my place, and there's enough leftovers for lunch tomorrow. So, I fall asleep, wake up, and go have some great Thai food at a restaurant and some great Thai [I]food[/I] at an MP.

Myself, when I'm in a bar, I will have a beer, just because I know it's [I]pure[/I], I can see the bottle being opened in front of me. But I might also have a coke even if there's a good chance it will be stale and flat because the bottle's been left open. Or orange juice (nam-som, long o), yea, maybe out of a bottle, not fresh. But you don't have to drink it, waste of money, so [S]...[/S] I'm NOT there for the drinks, but for the [I]potential[/I].

Finally, you might take a stroll down Soi 23, off of Sukhumvit; couple of blocks down, there's (or used to be) a number of MP's with girls sitting out front. If nothing, back to Sukhumvit, cross the street (that WILL get your heart racing even in a crosswalk, not all Thais will stop for pedestrians (Mr. Red Bull junior)), and walk up to Soi [B]26[/B]. Turn right onto 26, keeping to the righthand side as you walk away from Sukhumvit. Somewhere in that first block, see if the [I]Jill-in-the-Box[/I] is working. Step in, see if anyone sparks [I]interest[/I]. If not, 2 choices, back outside, continue down 26, first alley to your right, turn right, you will see Angels. That's soi 24-1. Walk along it, a number of MP's with girls sitting outside. Cherry, next to Angels, might not have girls outside, but you can step inside, talk to the Mamasan, express your type of interest, ask for a line-up. The other choice from inside the [I]Jill-in-the-Box[/I] is to walk through the shop, see if anyone sitting inside the front door is [I]interesting[/I]. Exit the front door (you've entered the back), see if anyone sitting outside is appealing. Now you are on soi 24-1, so take a stroll. Can't hurt, and, if nothing else, good exercise.

TIT.

Zeyto,

If you are still in BK, please take a photo of the entrance so that we know the exact location. If you are cautious, take the photo when the Arad "guards" are not around, or else take a "zoomed in" photo, say, from across the street, when the guards are in place. I don't mind checking out when I get to BK.

Funman13.

[QUOTE=Zeyto;2756967]So on Friday I was walking to Nana after coming from Chrome Bar around 9 PM and I was crossing Sukhumvit towards the plaza until I saw 2 Arab or most likely EE girls provocatively dresses walking back the way I came. They were both gorgeous and both had amazing asses. I turned around a followed them and they entered this elevator entrance with 3 Arab dudes by the entrance. Didn't go and follow them since I'm sure they would stop me. I tried going into the elevator on Saturday afternoon but the elevator wasn't working. But I saw it later in the evening working and 2 of the same Arab guys by the entrance. It's across the street from Nana Square and you can't miss the gold tint of the entrance. Could be something or could be nothing, if a seasoned fellow would like to give it try be my guest.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2757180]I am probably the grumpiest failure of a monger around. And my first week of Thailand (as a free man) is coming to a close. And I have much to complain.

First of all, I had fancied the idea of going to these BJ bars, Lolitas and Kasalong, an I made sure I stayed very close by. But these were completely dead let down. They aren't even trying. I mean at Lolitas they were supposed to wear cute schoolgirl uniforms, but like I said, they aren't even trying. There is some older hags sitting around. Kasalong, I gave it an attempt anyway. The seasoned attendant (the only one showing any interest to serve) did her routine, but also, I felt without any real effort, as time went on, it didn't do it for me. When time was up, I decided I wouldn't force it and wouldn't pay another round of this.

Overall the freelancer scene around the Nana Hotel did not impress me. The very few who I might find pretty seem to have a horrible attitude, looking bored, messing with their cellphones. Back from my youth, Thai girls had a special allure to me, but as my life moved on, I see in many of them the faces of elderly Chinese women who I worked with professionally, it's hard to unsee that. Thai women look a lot younger than they are on the surface, up to a point. So many of the freelancers there I am sure are scratching their 40's. But then the young appearance is false, and it's hard to unsee the elderly Chinese colleagues in their faces. Since I like curves, it's another thing missing here. Those who do have them seem very tall and I don't like that, especially since I abhor even the slightest risk of ending up with a tranny after my one incident in Bogota.

I had no interest to sit down in any of those bars with the old dudes. I walked around inside the Nana Plaza, and I guess I should have done a go-go bar once. Probably will do that still while here. But I have no interest in drinking beer and be pushed to drink more. Today in the early afternoon I walked all the way from Nana to Silom and Patpong, and Patpong was a very sad sight. Seemed totally dead. Of course it may have been too early in the day, but I remember 10 years ago in the early afternoon there was still something going on. Now it looks like half of the places are closed altogether. I don't even recognize any of it any more.

Yesterday I was at Aya for a Nuru. And I guess that was alright. I came out smiling. So I had read about all the Nuru places. How Chrome Bar is essentially closed and you have to pick someone from Wood Bar (oh, yes, there too I found nothing appetizing sitting on that balcony so I didn't go in. Doki Doki and Aya was on my short list. Since the girl I wanted from Doki wasn't on the roster of the day, I decided for Aya. Actually I read one dude saying the Doki or the other way more expensive place starting with D also (can't remember) were using lots of Nuru gel and that the lack of friction was actually detrimental. Another dude was complaining that Aya wasn't using enough of the gel. So I thought, that should be good. Went to Aya and took Kate because she has more curves (a little chubby belly which I don't mind, especially with that belly button piercing). She was nice, I like falling in love a bit with my girl, like Trantra, you know, where you go in with the heart. She was open to that. She isn't a massage professional (she learned it from a friend who I guess initiated her in the art) but I can say that the standard of practice in Thailand is certainly far superior that of Brazil, therefore, even just some casually inducted girl will do a better job than in South America. So I quite enjoyed the pressure she applied, and the thought of being ridden up and down my back with that girl's pussy was quite a nice thought to behold. Couldn't wait to turn around though and have her do the same on my front side, all the way up over my face. I didn't even mind that she wasn't shaved. DFK was so-so, but she didn't turn away, which was nice. I took a long time, so much that our time of 60 minutes ran out. So I ended up buying another 1500 over on top of the 3000 I had paid (lesson here: next time I take 90 min right from the start, cheaper that way). I did it because we had good chemistry. I helped with my hand while she was slurping with her mouth and looked at me quite in a nice way from down there. And finally I came. She caught the first squirt or 3 large ones, and she made me think she gulped that first one down. Nice touch. Then we had time left, showered again and she was doing more massage which was pleasant. I would see her again I think. Like I said, I went out smiling.

So it wasn't all bad. And maybe I still get into the groove.

But the world's grumpiest failure of a monger will go on grumping a bit. I can't wait to get home to South America. Because I like them more there. Not just the curves and all, but also even the attitude. One thing that I notice a lot, and did not at all expect, and really I find it upsetting, is that they are quite discriminatory of age here. I don't look that old, and I don't look that bad, yet I feel like because of my age showing in my hair color, the younger ones don't even try to get my attention (I mean the freelancers). And on the ThaiFriendly site, even though its all full of freelancers there, I have a similar suspicion. In Colombia and Brazil I feel much less of that.

Having just come from India, where this age issue is even worse, I was nevertheless thinking that actually India could be better, even cheaper, for mongering, with the only problem being that the "red light districts" don't have nice accommodation, which is the biggest turn off there. Not even a room they have. But as far as attractiveness of girls, actually I was surprised to find myself wishing for a moment to be back there. Or have the girls from there in the atmosphere of here, with less crowds (the crowds of dudes over there are a turn off, that's better here. The old geezers here are mostly not part-taking in the action, instead they just sit and drink beer.).

What I find alarming and a possible sign of the entire scene collapsing soon is the fact that there are so many couples and even families to be seen around here. The pessimist grump in me sees that the good old days are over, and soon Bangkok will be just a place of wistful memories of old long gone times, with families touring around like the Mulain Rouge in Paris or New Orleans, maybe ordering a drink called "Blow Jog" but girls all getting virtual attention on Only Fans. Oh, and what's it with the hair dye here? I remember 20 years ago, when I was here not as a free man, I was so smitten by their long black hair, held together by crocodile clips, I loved that. And I could see their faces. Now they are all running around with masks, these stupid masks! And even 10 years ago I had noticed these stupid hair cuts they started to use, like imported from China or Japan. God, I hate these stupid hair cuts with the stupid fringes, and then all colored brown or blond. This is odious!

So there you have it. Mr. Grump is not impressed. Next is Pattaya.[/QUOTE]As a long-term resident, I can say there is a lot of truth to your report. Ageism has become an issue here as venues like Thermae are filled with young Asian punters whom the gals find quite attractive. The.

Preferred aesthetic amongst the gals is now cute young boyish almost feminine Asian dudes. And they're also willing to pay more and tend to accept what they're given which are the trump cards. When I moved here over 20 years ago it was the 50 and 60 something Western guys who had the best looking gals. Mainly because they were the ones who had the money and also because most had the swagger which was attractive to the women back then as it was a contrast to the local lads. Most younger Western guys I know here don't participate in the P4 P seen it all and instead have what I would consider less than attractive local girlfriends who drag them around by their short and curlies.

Honestly, I found many of the gals online to be much more accommodating in that they are used to older local punters. But for the tourist and for those who don't at least speak some of the language it's really not a good option is it requires a lot of research and time.

I haven't been to South America but your sentiment is echoed amongst the many dudes I know who have. Asia is becoming the realm of the Asian punter. Western guys are only a small part of the market now. And I don't see that changing.