German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1832107]Pattaya has the FKK concept in places like Kinnaree Place, but on a much smaller scale likened to a small FKK club. Maybe 30 girls? The free food is only available on a couple days per week there but the BBQ ribs on Saturdays is very tasty. Price is 33 euro total for at least 30 minutes (no set restricted time limit). You get to shower with the girls before and after the session. The girls are decent looking and sex is amazing. Free club entry. Drinks are not free but cheap. For 120-140 euro you've had a VERY enjoyable day. Then off to the crazy gogo clubs, then off to a disco with your favorite girl, all for a laughable amount of money.

Gogo bars like Sapphire in Pattaya or Baccara in Bangkok have over 100 girls each. Not sure what you mean the lineup is not stable. Girls do hop around to different gogo clubs, same as Germany.[/QUOTE]LU stability meaning not quantity as. Quantity is there BIG time in Thailand LOL, but quality. Maybe my type is too model looking girl. , so I am expecting too much and I am not into Asian girls that much, so I am evaluation it too harshly, but I was and am never satisfied with LU quality in Asia. I always have to dig hardcore to find the ones I like to fuck.

Yes, in German FKK too, I always have to dig, but I do not have to go as far as changing actual clubs like I do in asia when I went.

So I just thought it would be better to have club like let say FKK Artemis format in beach resort, charge client 50 euro, girls as well to enter, free good Thai food, non alcohol drinks, pool out door, maybe even beach and girls there are on their own and just provide security like FKK Artemis same format clubs. Because in Thailand. Most clubs are rather tacky and no in house Dr, cannot stay all day, so I thought if there is FKK format, it arguably takes or at least reduce [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], pimping etc and also control std, and controlled environment where you can stay all day with pool beach, food, fuck etc in secure environment. Just a thought as I do think German system is the best and if you mix let say Thai beach resort and Artemis set up. Wow! You know what I mean ; I just thought why there is none like that beside Germany.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1831178]Are you talking to me? Well if so, I do not even know who Francesca is .
LOL[/QUOTE]No, not to you, because at Artemis, you can't know girls like Francesca / Sara for natural beauty or Madi for class and sensuality before or Raïssa or Larissa for lovely behavior out of room, same for Beyonce at Sharks. I don't share your too boring animal sex way, even in brothel with prostitutes, my pleasure is in my mind, not in the condom.

AFAIK prostitution in Thailand is not legal, just tolerated.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1832138]AFAIK prostitution in Thailand is not legal, just tolerated.

HB.[/QUOTE]Tolerated? I mean it is everywhere. The gogo bar even directly employ girls, take money off them, so it act legally as both prostitution and pimping; so FKK format should be even better legally as FKK only provide safe place both girls and clients and FKK system do not employ girls. Wouldn't you agree?

Oana think the customer must keep his pleasure in condom. If not she needs 30000 euro for share his pleasure with her LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1832115]

Yes, in German FKK too, I always have to dig, but I do not have to go as far as changing actual clubs like I do in asia when I went.[/QUOTE]In Germany you usually have to drive over 30 minutes to get to the next club. In the case of Artemis you have to fly to another city! In Pattaya you have possibly 100 gogo clubs in a 1 km street. Please tell me it's not too difficult to walk 50 feet to the next club and maybe paying $2 US (69 baht) for a beer. If you read the Thailand forums you will see a huge overlap of a number of well known FKK posters who also hobby in Thailand.

In general I also would take a EE girl over an Asian girl but there are many girls in gogo bars that don't look very Asian at all. In fact, if I showed you guys a pic of my Thai GF most would say she is Russian. Imbo as hot as the hottest FKK girl I have ever seen, with the exception of Leonie at GT of course.

No one will argue that the FKK concept isn't one of if not the best concept in the world but remember you pay 60-70 euro (the same amount for a hot gogo girl to spend a night with you in Thailand) just to get into some of these clubs.

I'm curious which Thailand gogo bars you went to cause I have a feeling you didn't go to the ones I did.

I just searched the Thailand forum and don't see a single post from you there (?).

[QUOTE=MrHo;1832147]Tolerated? I mean it is everywhere. [/QUOTE][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand[/URL]#Current_legal_situation.

HB.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1832147]Tolerated? I mean it is everywhere. The gogo bar even directly employ girls, take money off them, so it act legally as both prostitution and pimping; so FKK format should be even better legally as FKK only provide safe place both girls and clients and FKK system do not employ girls. Wouldn't you agree?[/QUOTE]I dunno if legality has much to do with it. We know Thailand has a huge sex industry, but it's illegal. Thailand is an example of a law that is not really enforced, and there are countries that follows suit. In addition there are countries that prostitution is legal, but not popular destinations, so situations vary.

Although both P6 industry is huge, the difference is that Germany is an economic power house. On the other hand, Thailand is not, so there is dependency on the sex tourists. Another difference is in Germany the service providers come from other countries with Ro being the majority in the clubs. German providers make a small percentage. Similarities is that workers in both countries come of low economic opportunities.

There is like an over abundance of providers in Thailand is my guess with what somebody posted about the area with rediculous number of bars, and therefore the girl numbers should be pretty high. This reflects the economic condition of the country.

Thailand would be more of dependency due to low economic conditions, where as Germany the dependency is due to high number of clubs with clubs looking to profit off of the punters, and also the providers that male guests come for.

Thailand sex industry is likely the most open to foreigners compared to places in East Asia like Japan and Korea where there is probably a stigma against foreigners. Same for Germany.

Funny thing is, as an ignorant American, the common word was Amsterdam window prostitution. Bankok is commonly know also. This is due to what is commonly mentioned in the media where we get that shallow info on places.

BB did mention there is something like Germany with room in Pattaya, which is what we define as a brothel, no? Same goes for other EA countries that have the RLD with room with many girls in presence.

But, like you say there is something unique about the German FKK club culture that is more prevelant in DE. Mixture of Sauna. Food - bar - nude women that create for a long stay, and also the hours are unique. Clubs start as early as 10 AM and close as late as 5-7 AM. Spain scene although similar in the sense there are EEs, and number of girls at the bars, but you don't pay the high fees for food. Bear inclusive, nor sauna facilities.

Germany system is so unique, and developed out of it's culture. The system must have worked well from the beginning, so the more clubs started popping up with similar to better options to compete. Same goes for other places, something worked there, and others came about. When people notice something that works well in a culture, they like to duplicate it. There are things that works well to some cultures that do not work well to another. This is how products are varied and catered to different countries although brands are the same.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1832138]AFAIK prostitution in Thailand is not legal, just tolerated.

HB.[/QUOTE]The streetwalkers are illegal but just tolerated in Thailand. However, the Massages with sex (or without sex) are legal and well advertised.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1832005]For instance, Thailand. Prostitution is legal right? They have karaoke bar, gogo bar etc. , but no FKK. Also LU is not stable in most joints there and also STD risks both girls and clients etc etc.

I wonder why they do not or someone implement FKK system like let say Oase or Artemis where girls can sleep in house, club do not take commission from girls, it is just a place renting for both girls and clients and they both can spend their time and business whole day with prompt security, food, pool, in house doctor, secure LU etc. [/QUOTE]As prostitution is not legal in Thailand the go go and beer bars only stay open because they pay the police 'tea money' to turn a blind eye. If they don't then they will be the next to appear in the newspapers as a place that was raided by the police and prostitution was found by the police to be practiced there or other irregularities noted. The bar next door may be doing the exact same but does not get raided. You sometimes get periods during the year when the police have a sustained crackdown on the bars and they have to close early or not open at all. Bad news if you happen to be on holiday there at the time.

You don't get the glorious openness that you get in Germany with prices quoted for each sex act that the girl will provide, so you know exactly what you are going to get. You pay a Thai go go bar to take a girl away from the bar for 'company' and not for sex. What happens from thereon is between you and the girl. So if she falls asleep as soon as she gets to your room you can't really complain to the bar.

Because of the lack of openness, public sex inside the Thai go go bars is not allowed. You won't get gangbang clubs and swingers clubs are ruthlessly hunted down and closed. Rooms where you can have on premises sex in Thailand are strictly illegal. You get some bars that have these rooms and some may have lesbian shows in the bar but they only stay open because they are paying the police a lot of tea money to turn a blind eye.

The German system is based on value for money and providing a service. The Thai sex scene used to be like that. It was 'up to you' how much you paid and the girls made sure that they 'take care' of you to ensure you were satisfied. But that was years ago. Now it is about screwing as much money as possible out of the foreigner. Doubling or tripling prices during high season, pestering you for tips, the more attractive girls being unwilling to go long time with customers because they make more money from several short times, many girls preferring to stay in the bar because they make more money in drinks commission, girls downing drinks that you have bought for them in seconds before quickly moving on to the next customer, and so on.

In the Thai bars you are always pressurized to buy as many drinks as possible for you and the girls. That is another great thing about the German sex scene. It is not almost solely based around drinking like the Thai system is. In many German clubs drinking any alcohol at all is frowned on. The focus is on SEX. So after a day or night in Germany I need to recover from being shagged out rather than because I have a bad hangover.

The only advantage for me for Thailand is that the 'sex' bars are more concentrated in a few places so you have less travelling to do if you want to move between venues and it is incredibly cheap to get a girl to spend the night. But you don't know what she is going to do when she gets there. She may be shy or even decide to just sleep.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1832271]In Germany you usually have to drive over 30 minutes to get to the next club. In the case of Artemis you have to fly to another city! In Pattaya you have possibly 100 gogo clubs in a 1 km street. Please tell me it's not too difficult to walk 50 feet to the next club and maybe paying $2 US (69 baht) for a beer. If you read the Thailand forums you will see a huge overlap of a number of well known FKK posters who also hobby in Thailand.

In general I also would take a EE girl over an Asian girl but there are many girls in gogo bars that don't look very Asian at all. In fact, if I showed you guys a pic of my Thai GF most would say she is Russian. Imbo as hot as the hottest FKK girl I have ever seen, with the exception of Leonie at GT of course.

No one will argue that the FKK concept isn't one of if not the best concept in the world but remember you pay 60-70 euro (the same amount for a hot gogo girl to spend a night with you in Thailand) just to get into some of these clubs.

I'm curious which Thailand gogo bars you went to cause I have a feeling you didn't go to the ones I did.

I just searched the Thailand forum and don't see a single post from you there (?).[/QUOTE]A lot of girls in Thailand have plastic surgery, so that is mostly why they do not look Asians, and for some other cases, they are Eurasia. Well more like American / Thai due to American military base or some punter, but I could not find many Eurasia there as I expected and found more in Manila, which was also very hard.

I do not monger in Asia. I tried Philippines and Thailand, but in Asia I only monger in Japan as I am not into Asian women at all, to my taste they are sexually men to me, so I do not have interest unless she is mixed with Caucasian blood, so called Eurasia.

I stick to German FKK and I found half Vietnamese and German girl in Artemis last November and she was beauty, it was to my surprise to find such Eurasia girl in German FKK. As most of time it is quite disappointing in looks when I see Asian girls in German FKK.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1832308]I dunno if legality has much to do with it. We know Thailand has a huge sex industry, but it's illegal. Thailand is an example of a law that is not really enforced, and there are countries that follows suit. In addition there are countries that prostitution is legal, but not popular destinations, so situations vary.

Although both P6 industry is huge, the difference is that Germany is an economic power house. On the other hand, Thailand is not, so there is dependency on the sex tourists. Another difference is in Germany the service providers come from other countries with Ro being the majority in the clubs. German providers make a small percentage. Similarities is that workers in both countries come of low economic opportunities.

There is like an over abundance of providers in Thailand is my guess with what somebody posted about the area with rediculous number of bars, and therefore the girl numbers should be pretty high. This reflects the economic condition of the country.

Thailand would be more of dependency due to low economic conditions, where as Germany the dependency is due to high number of clubs with clubs looking to profit off of the punters, and also the providers that male guests come for..[/QUOTE]What so unique and efficient about German system is they do not employ prostitute or take any money from them.

FKK just provide secure place both for monger and girls with promises on service and price. Well service and price can be arguable, but still good level.

It is cheap too and prices can be even be compared as same range as mongering in south east Asia if you go for same level of quality and it still seems to make big profit in Germany where cost are higher.

FKK system is so German, very efficient.

[QUOTE=UShobbyist;1832342]The streetwalkers are illegal but just tolerated in Thailand. However, the Massages with sex (or without sex) are legal and well advertised.[/QUOTE]LOL massage with sex is legal, but sex is not LOL what is the difference LOL It is like fore play is important LOL.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1832308]But, like you say there is something unique about the German FKK club culture that is more prevelant in DE. Mixture of Sauna. Food - bar - nude women that create for a long stay, and also the hours are unique. Clubs start as early as 10 AM and close as late as 5-7 AM. Spain scene although similar in the sense there are EEs, and number of girls at the bars, but you don't pay the high fees for food. Bear inclusive, nor sauna facilities. Germany system is so unique, and developed out of it's culture. The system must have worked well from the beginning, so the more clubs started popping up with similar to better options to compete. Same goes for other places, something worked there, and others came about. When people notice something that works well in a culture, they like to duplicate it. There are things that works well to some cultures that do not work well to another. This is how products are varied and catered to different countries although brands are the same.[/QUOTE]The FKK set-up with sauna, food, and bar is not unique to Germany. This is also the set-up of the Brazilian Termas (which literally means spa). The one major difference is that in a Termas you will not find the women totally naked. Other than that, the two scenes are on par with one another. I prefer Brazil because there is more diversity in looks, and Brazilian women fuck the best, especially in the anal category. I would note that the very first Termas to open its doors in Rio (the now defunct Termas Aeroporto) did so in 1977. I don't think the first German FKK (Bernd's) did so until the mid-1980's. Perhaps somebody can verify the exact date, but I'm certain of the date for the first Brazilian Termas, and I do believe the Brazilians were first in this by several years. And now PL, here is a special quote just for you that I pulled from somebody's blog (I could have written it myself):

"Brazil has more beautiful, blonde, pink lip stick, big perfect ass, big tits, tall, tan, young and lovely girls than California could ever dream of having. That was a great shocker for me when I first came here. I was just expecting the darker ones to have the better bodies but that's not the case at all".

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1832271]In Germany you usually have to drive over 30 minutes to get to the next club. In the case of Artemis you have to fly to another city! In Pattaya you have possibly 100 gogo clubs in a 1 km street. Please tell me it's not too difficult to walk 50 feet to the next club and maybe paying $2 US (69 baht) for a beer. If you read the Thailand forums you will see a huge overlap of a number of well known FKK posters who also hobby in Thailand.

In general I also would take a EE girl over an Asian girl but there are many girls in gogo bars that don't look very Asian at all. In fact, if I showed you guys a pic of my Thai GF most would say she is Russian. Imbo as hot as the hottest FKK girl I have ever seen, with the exception of Leonie at GT of course.

No one will argue that the FKK concept isn't one of if not the best concept in the world but remember you pay 60-70 euro (the same amount for a hot gogo girl to spend a night with you in Thailand) just to get into some of these clubs.

I'm curious which Thailand gogo bars you went to cause I have a feeling you didn't go to the ones I did.

I just searched the Thailand forum and don't see a single post from you there (?).[/QUOTE]Russian?! I guess Russians could have some Asiatic features. Some do as I've seen them, but then again I think some Scandinavian girls do too. Russians do have Mongloid blood in them due to how they got all mixed up. That's something I've noticed with some of them, kinda similar to minor percentage of Romies I've seen. Looks a bit exotic with some Asiantic lookin eyes. Same for Hungarian girls at times. Germans for me are different.

For me, I didn't expect Leoni to be German. When she told me she was German I was a bit surprised. I guess she don't fit the profile I had in mind. There was a German girl at GT powdery white, and I though slightly freakish for this. Probably like an albino. But, she was cool, and say she is German. And then later told me grandparents are Polish. Leoni is pretty unique looking, feminine facial features, and her high pitch voice too. I wouldn't have been surprised if she said Czech or Hungary either. Germany is central European as with Czech so there is probably looks of some populous overlap. I rarely meet Czech girls in clubs. Maybe not interested those that do exist. Just mainly have been De, Hun, Poles, Balkan or Rus Germans that I've mainly paid attention to. I am into exotic looks in general.

I don't doubt that there will be some girls that would be of interest there as the odds would be in favor given the large number of girls there, but this all has to do with searching around to run into them. What is rather enticing is the amount of time you get with a girl for the pricing, it's favorable for punters. I'm more into European girls, but there are Asians that I'm into also given how attractive they look. I think I'm more into East Asian type looks myself like Japanese or Korean when it comes to Asians. They tend to be more GND, and it's higher odds for me to find hotties in Europe. But, yes, we all want that GFE experience, and likely Pattaya is a good place for it.