East China - Shanghai

I used to go to bathhouses and BBS, but during this visit to Shanghai, I tried several saunas. Much more expensive, but as usually in China: You get what you pay for.

So went to 999 yesterday (about 10' walk along Tianyaoqiao Road from the Shanghai Stadium subway station, building 999, you can't miss it). Asked for red rope service, but there seems to be none anymore.

Selection of gals was great. All 7-9, about 15 at 4pm. There's also a lot of "supporting" staff. I choose #957, but lame me forgot her name. She's a quite strong and tall gal from Harbin with big tits and very long hair and a nice butt; at the end of her 20s.

Service was very anticipated: Shower, soapything on the mattress (with her incredible tits. Best in town) , cleaning, then this water bubbling and licking massage all over the back / legs, hot / cold thing on my Johnny, BBBJ, FS in any position (including doggy which is my first time with a Chinese gal). Touching / licking anywhere, but no kissing.

She skipped the rimming part, but I didn't mind, the rest was just perfect.

Damage: 880RMB.

Location: 8.

Attitude: 10.

Looks: 9.

Tits: 10.

Ass: 7.

Service: 9

[QUOTE=Brooklyn Cyclone; 1291499]Sounds to me you are a lucky guy. I have never had FOC (Free of Charge) experience. Also I have family so taking girls home is not an option. That makes it difficult to have a real GF around. But from my other experience, if it is FOC, it might end up costing you more $ at the end because usually it will lead to shopping or can-you-buy-me-iphone 4S, or even worse, they want a real relationship.

So enjoy while you can but be careful about where this is going. It is almost like playing with fire.[/QUOTE]This is so true! My Long term (18 month) relationship with my 25 year old girl friend just ended (sad, too sad). She figured out I was stalling to leave my wife, (which I had strongly considerred) Next thing I know I am buying nicer and nicer gifts on every trip to Sh. Iphone 4s, gold rings, bracelets, perfume, , The sex was still great (3-4 times a day and awesome!) but I must admit that this "freebie" was getting more expensive than paying for locally at the spas and Manhattans. I did the math more than once, but the emotional connection made the sex that much better and very hard to walk away from. The Drama also continued to get more and more ridiculous.

I got in way over my head and started really thinking about leaving my wife. I was literally days from sitting down with my wife. The costs would have been HUGE after 20 years of marriage. Talk about the cost of a freebie!

Finally it got silly, She wanted me to buy her a 30, 000 rmb watch and I said no. She had told her friends I would buy and was embarrased and won't see me again. I am actually happy it worked out this way. Can you imagine if I actually left my wife? The cost of that would have been much greater than a 30, 000 watch and I would have obviously lost this girl soon enough! You can't base a marriage on someon that walks away because you won't buy a watch for god sakes. She works massage in one of the Chinese hotels and is very hot.

This "freebie" almost cost me my marriage, my family and would have still ended ugly and I would have been alone.

I have not seen it written here for quite a while so I will say it now."don't ever fall in love with a working girl!". And I would add HJ massage girls to that list. They are still working girls even if you convince yourself it is just a HJ.

You know I read a similar post a couple years ago and said,"I am too smart for falling for a WG, , how could this guy be so silly?" It happened to me. So beware, it can happen to any of us if you are not careful. I will "pay them to leave" from now on.

[QUOTE=SamCan; 1291884]This is so true! My Long term (18 month) relationship with my 25 year old girl friend just ended (sad, too sad). She figured out I was stalling to leave my wife, (which I had strongly considerred) Next thing I know I am buying nicer and nicer gifts on every trip to Sh. Iphone 4s, gold rings, bracelets, perfume, , The sex was still great (3-4 times a day and awesome!) but I must admit that this "freebie" was getting more expensive than paying for locally at the spas and Manhattans. I did the math more than once, but the emotional connection made the sex that much better and very hard to walk away from. The Drama also continued to get more and more ridiculous.

I got in way over my head and started really thinking about leaving my wife. I was literally days from sitting down with my wife. The costs would have been HUGE after 20 years of marriage. Talk about the cost of a freebie!

Finally it got silly, She wanted me to buy her a 30, 000 rmb watch and I said no. She had told her friends I would buy and was embarrased and won't see me again. I am actually happy it worked out this way. Can you imagine if I actually left my wife? The cost of that would have been much greater than a 30, 000 watch and I would have obviously lost this girl soon enough! You can't base a marriage on someon that walks away because you won't buy a watch for god sakes. She works massage in one of the Chinese hotels and is very hot.

This "freebie" almost cost me my marriage, my family and would have still ended ugly and I would have been alone.

I have not seen it written here for quite a while so I will say it now."don't ever fall in love with a working girl!". And I would add HJ massage girls to that list. They are still working girls even if you convince yourself it is just a HJ.

You know I read a similar post a couple years ago and said,"I am too smart for falling for a WG, , how could this guy be so silly?" It happened to me. So beware, it can happen to any of us if you are not careful. I will "pay them to leave" from now on.[/QUOTE]Not too long ago I remember having read "once she was through immigration she bolted."

Be happy it hadn't gotten that far.

Gregory

I'm hearing an erie Echo here. Twice, no three times my Shanghai massage "girlfriends" have asked for a gold necklace,actually leading me to the store. When I declined to buy 10,000 Rmb necklace one lowered her expectations down to a 500 Rmb piece of clothing. The latest one still wants to get married, although I have been repeating that it will not happen. She tells me the green card would be automatic and the marriage is only for convenience. Anyone care to visit her and see if she is being faithful to her sugardaddy? These stories really reinforce that I'm in a fantasy world thinking this time it's
different.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987; 1288131]I found Gal I like at at MP on wulumuqi just south of Wanhangdu Road on the Right side as you are going south. It is in a little alley off wulumuqi Road. Oil massage is 168 and tip for he is only 100. Her number is #8. I'd appreciate any reports

Lost In Shanghai; 1286009]I stopped in at the massage place on North Shaanxi Road at Changping. I had been there a couple of times before and left happy. Once again going for the 268 Rmb massage, and expecting the same excellent set meal service, no upsell. Alas, it was not to be. The girl kept trying to sell me a 412 package, although it was never clear what she was going to offer for that. She seemed not to want to give me the 268 titty package I had enjoyed previously. Lots of discussion. I refused, and in the end, I came away with a HJ for 206. If anyone ever gets the 412 package, I'd like to know.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]I have gone to the place numerous times. The 412 package is for a blow job. It varies with the girl, sometimes full on, sometime just liking. I generally don't get an up-sale, and they aren't generally too pushy there. The girls vary a lot.

[QUOTE=SamCan; 1291884]This is so true! My Long term (18 month) relationship with my 25 year old girl friend just ended (sad, too sad). She figured out I was stalling to leave my wife, (which I had strongly considerred) Next thing I know I am buying nicer and nicer gifts on every trip to Sh. Iphone 4s, gold rings, bracelets, perfume, , The sex was still great (3-4 times a day and awesome!) but I must admit that this "freebie" was getting more expensive than paying for locally at the spas and Manhattans. I did the math more than once, but the emotional connection made the sex that much better and very hard to walk away from. The Drama also continued to get more and more ridiculous.

I got in way over my head and started really thinking about leaving my wife. I was literally days from sitting down with my wife. The costs would have been HUGE after 20 years of marriage. Talk about the cost of a freebie!

Finally it got silly, She wanted me to buy her a 30, 000 rmb watch and I said no. She had told her friends I would buy and was embarrased and won't see me again. I am actually happy it worked out this way. Can you imagine if I actually left my wife? The cost of that would have been much greater than a 30, 000 watch and I would have obviously lost this girl soon enough! You can't base a marriage on someon that walks away because you won't buy a watch for god sakes. She works massage in one of the Chinese hotels and is very hot.

This "freebie" almost cost me my marriage, my family and would have still ended ugly and I would have been alone.

I have not seen it written here for quite a while so I will say it now."don't ever fall in love with a working girl!". And I would add HJ massage girls to that list. They are still working girls even if you convince yourself it is just a HJ.

You know I read a similar post a couple years ago and said,"I am too smart for falling for a WG, , how could this guy be so silly?" It happened to me. So beware, it can happen to any of us if you are not careful. I will "pay them to leave" from now on.[/QUOTE]I did fall for a WG, not from a massage place but from a KTV, and I can not be happier. The sex with a GF is just so much better that I just cannot see myself doing another random WG ever again. To avoid this iphone4s, gold neckless stuff, I simply per her a small amount monthly to allow her to live without serving any other guy, while pay her on the number of days she spent acompanying me. Like you said. 3 or 4 times a day great sex, without cover, and repeat BBBJ after intercourse over and over again with countless organsms. The only way to have that type of sex is to have a steady GF.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1284794]I did send some messages on DIA to some girls and within minutes got replies from 3 out of 4.

One gave me her rates as follows.

Hello my normal day time tour guide and interpreter service is 100 yuan with a max of 600 yuan per day work time 10 till 6 pm.

I also offer daytime + dinner companion and nightlife is 1000 yuan from noon till midnight.

I you want naughty service is 600 for 4 hours and 1000 for evening and night and 1500 for 24 hrs.

Nice organised girl!

In general I noticed how mad the traffic is, how mad the taxi drivers have become (or maybe always were) and how many more foreigners there are now in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]I have looked all over but can't figure it out. What is DIA?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987; 1291950]Anyone care to visit her and see if she is being faithful to her sugardaddy? These stories really reinforce that I'm in a fantasy world thinking this time it's.

Different.[/QUOTE]Yes, I convinced myself this was special. I was her first. The pain the blood. I really doubt it was faked. (I know another fantasy) anyway, I will be in SH this weekend. And I am up for it! What do you need me to do?

Sam.

See my other post, yes this time is the first time in a long time I will not have a girl waiting for me at the airport. It is also, unfortunately my last trip to shanghai for a long time. I used to go every month but the job I was working on is about done.

Anyway, I am not a spa guy. But but a HJ massage guy. Too much to lose to come home to the mrs with even a set of crabs. Since I spent a 9000 rmb a trip the last times on my girlfriend keeping her happy, I plan to spend about the same making the little guy happy! Wish me luck.

II am single again in shanghai, so, Sam Can.

[QUOTE=SamCan; 1291884]This is so true! My Long term (18 month) relationship with my 25 year old girl friend just ended (sad, too sad). She figured out I was stalling to leave my wife, (which I had strongly considerred) Next thing I know I am buying nicer and nicer gifts on every trip to Sh. Iphone 4s, gold rings, bracelets, perfume, , The sex was still great (3-4 times a day and awesome!) but I must admit that this "freebie" was getting more expensive than paying for locally at the spas and Manhattans. I did the math more than once, but the emotional connection made the sex that much better and very hard to walk away from. The Drama also continued to get more and more ridiculous.

I got in way over my head and started really thinking about leaving my wife. I was literally days from sitting down with my wife. The costs would have been HUGE after 20 years of marriage. Talk about the cost of a freebie!

Finally it got silly, She wanted me to buy her a 30, 000 rmb watch and I said no. She had told her friends I would buy and was embarrased and won't see me again. I am actually happy it worked out this way. Can you imagine if I actually left my wife? The cost of that would have been much greater than a 30, 000 watch and I would have obviously lost this girl soon enough! You can't base a marriage on someon that walks away because you won't buy a watch for god sakes. She works massage in one of the Chinese hotels and is very hot.

This "freebie" almost cost me my marriage, my family and would have still ended ugly and I would have been alone.

I have not seen it written here for quite a while so I will say it now."don't ever fall in love with a working girl!". And I would add HJ massage girls to that list. They are still working girls even if you convince yourself it is just a HJ.

You know I read a similar post a couple years ago and said,"I am too smart for falling for a WG, , how could this guy be so silly?" It happened to me. So beware, it can happen to any of us if you are not careful. I will "pay them to leave" from now on.[/QUOTE]The expression "no free lunch" is true whether your in SH or LA. LOL.

Expecially in SH though, lesson learned so NEXT.

Words from experiance with all of my "freebies" that were never free.

Remember that we pay them to leave, not to stay.

PC out

[QUOTE=Pcpc1688; 1292124]The expression "no free lunch" is true whether your in SH or LA. LOL.

Expecially in SH though, lesson learned so NEXT.

Words from experiance with all of my "freebies" that were never free.

Remember that we pay them to leave, not to stay.

PC out[/QUOTE]Yup I did, cost me my marriage, broke my heart, cost me thousands. The day I got her a visa to leave China, the mood changed and eventually I understood how the good mood, good times, planning, good sex etc changed. To add to my misery she was a psychopath, (for a definition look up Dr Hare) , whose main ability was to convince anyone of anything, low to no ethics, no heart but great body, Her view is men are stupid, and she said she has nothing except a good set of tits, and held everyone in contempt. Now after much wound licking found a great woman, so they aint all bad. But don't fall in love with a working girl, ever.

Well I can't damn the girls either. There's a reason they are in this business or are ready to jump on the first foreigner that shows interest. Probably came from a poor family which likely didn't want a girl in the first place. Taught her whole life that boys are "preferred" over girls and that the best they can do is marry well. Then puberty hits and suddenly every male around her in a 50 year age range suddenly does start acting stupid. So if she starts right away, she can milk guys for maybe 10 or 15 years before she just doesn't have "it" any more. So she has a very short window to make as much as she can to be independent or find some guy to take care of her.

So a smart girl without a lot of options knows how to use her assets, a smart guy knows it's all just a business transaction. Then everyone gets what they want.

[QUOTE=Johnny Jets;1292157]Yup I did, cost me my marriage, broke my heart, cost me thousands. The day I got her a visa to leave China, the mood changed and eventually I understood how the good mood, good times, planning, good sex etc changed. To add to my misery she was a psychopath, (for a definition look up Dr Hare) , whose main ability was to convince anyone of anything, low to no ethics, no heart but great body, Her view is men are stupid, and she said she has nothing except a good set of tits, and held everyone in contempt. Now after much wound licking found a great woman, so they aint all bad. But don't fall in love with a working girl, ever.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Johnny Jets;1292157]Yup I did, cost me my marriage, broke my heart, cost me thousands. The day I got her a visa to leave China, the mood changed and eventually I understood how the good mood, good times, planning, good sex etc changed. To add to my misery she was a psychopath, (for a definition look up Dr Hare) , whose main ability was to convince anyone of anything, low to no ethics, no heart but great body, Her view is men are stupid, and she said she has nothing except a good set of tits, and held everyone in contempt. Now after much wound licking found a great woman, so they aint all bad. But don't fall in love with a working girl, ever.[/QUOTE]Been there, done that! Long time lurker here with a much longer story I'll cut short. Fell in love with a WG bar girl in SH. Her story had a different twist (several interesting twists, actually) in that she started late (early 30's) and did a couple of stints as an 'er nai' with some KTV time in between in Shenzhen (she was good enough looking to pull this off despite her age). Then, she discovered laowai and had a Japanese guy on the hook for a couple of years. Did a stint in Singapore for a few weeks (said she was visiting friends) and eventually ended up in SH. I meet her and the chemistry is right, the sex is great, and I convince myself that she wasn't like all the other WGs or she wouldn't be sharing all this history with me. An alternative theory that I developed post-relationship is that she is a psychopath who actually enjoys reliving the long trail of broken hearts she's created. She left for Germany once for marriage but another German she had on the side in SH followed her and broke that apart. Anyway, one day my daughter manages to accidentally find a photo of hers that I thought was buried in the bowels of my laptop. My wife asks me about the photo and and I took the "fuck it, here's the whole story" approach. I had recently called SH around midnight (noon my time) and the conversation was cut short because, well, I forget the excuse that time but she did end-up with a new iPhone 4 that weekend she said she bought herself. I could bore you with dozens of similar stories like that during the two years I lived in denial, but you get the point. I'm glad it is over. Would I do it again? NO! They don't call these gals "pros" for nothing! I don't judge them, I don't look down on them, but I wouldn't buy a used car from one or want my daughter following their path. Things worked out OK for me. I miss the pussy, the mind fuck not at all!

[QUOTE=Tryfor5; 1292199]Well I can't damn the girls either. There's a reason they are in this business or are ready to jump on the first foreigner that shows interest. Probably came from a poor family which likely didn't want a girl in the first place. Taught her whole life that boys are "preferred" over girls and that the best they can do is marry well. Then puberty hits and suddenly every male around her in a 50 year age range suddenly does start acting stupid. So if she starts right away, she can milk guys for maybe 10 or 15 years before she just doesn't have "it" any more. So she has a very short window to make as much as she can to be independent or find some guy to take care of her.

So a smart girl without a lot of options knows how to use her assets, a smart guy knows it's all just a business transaction. Then everyone gets what they want.[/QUOTE]Actually, I agree. I really don't blame her. You got a ton of foreigners showing up promising the girls to marry them, pull them out of poverty and bring them to the USA (europe, austraila whatever). The guy then bails and leaves them older, wiser and alone. They too have seen it all and know many a girl that has lost their youth to empty promises. Let's not forget at 29, they are has beens. Far different than in the US where there are options for women over 30.

It is easy to say it is a business transaction. Sometimes hard to do. You date some massage girl that sees many meaningless faces come through with never so much as a second meeting. Can this make you jaded? Of course. THey are also ripe for some smooth talking guy to just show a little attention. Why else would a 50 year old laowei like me land a 24 year old hot chick. A hot chick better than I could land in my 20s?

I almost convinced myself it would work. She would stay with me and I could marry her. I still honestly believe at one point she really cared for me and the marrying me was for the right reasons. I do however believe it was not going to last forever and as I stalled, she became more cynical and decided to take me for the wallet ride.

The massage girls at this expensive hotel all land foreign boyfriends. Compare who is getting what, how much the boyfriend loves them based on how much he will spend. They love to brag about how they have a good one. As I said, My girl was telling all of them how she would make me buy a 30, 000 rmb watch before I came back. When I told her no, the embarassment was too much. Better to tell the girls she dumped me for other reasons to admit I wouldnot buy it. The whole save face thing.

Pardon the rant, but thanks for the therapy.

Sam now Can in shanghai again!

[QUOTE=Johnny Jets;1292157]Yup I did, cost me my marriage, broke my heart, cost me thousands. The day I got her a visa to leave China, the mood changed and eventually I understood how the good mood, good times, planning, good sex etc changed. To add to my misery she was a psychopath, (for a definition look up Dr Hare) , whose main ability was to convince anyone of anything, low to no ethics, no heart but great body, Her view is men are stupid, and she said she has nothing except a good set of tits, and held everyone in contempt. Now after much wound licking found a great woman, so they aint all bad. But don't fall in love with a working girl, ever.[/QUOTE]My heart goes out to you Johnny, I was almost there. Reading your post is flashbacks of where I was a month ago. I have been married for 20 years and my wife gave me less grief and frustration in 20 years than this massage girl could in a 3 week visit! The sex was the best I ever had, the beauty was there and I couldnot see beyond the end of my penis.

Your story rings true for me. Thanks for sharing