Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Amjeck]A lot of them have the full surgery and most people couldn't tell the difference unless you really know what you're looking for. These are the ones to watch out for because their tactic is to fool all punters, and they will always answer with "yes, i'm a girl" to the question above.[/QUOTE]Thanks, appreciate the feedback.

So what's your tactic to avoid them?

I was actually thinking about walking over beach road for some nice Thai girls but it seems I like I really need to be on guard for LBs. Hmmm.

ah but amjeck - "ta arn pasa-Thai dai dee gwar" (if you can READ Thai, it's better) The ID SAYS male or female (and they CANNOT CHANGE IT)

Maybe it's just me, but I think if it is THAT hard to spot a LB such that:
- she has no outwardly indications of manhood,
- you are willing to take her to the hotel,
- you get a glorious blow job,
- suck...
- and fuck her manufactured vagina,
- cum a happy man,

and at the end of it the only way to tell that She is a He is by reading her ID, then I would humbly submit to you that for all intents and purposes, She IS a She. Just don't look at the ID and enjoy the experience.

If, on the other hand, when you slip your face down between her luscious thighs to find an anaconda staring you in the face, then you need to work on your boy-finding skills: Your Gaydar is broke.

In general, I think there is a low-level hysteria surrounding LBs here, for no real reason. In my experience, the LBs have never been a problem. They are generally the most sexually aggressive sex workers on the street (clue #1), they are the most sexily dressed (clue #2), and they are lots of fun to talk with. But just be clear to them (and yourself) that you don't swing that way, and they will move on.

My advise: relax and enjoy yourself. This is not worth worrying about.

[QUOTE=Dinghy]ah but amjeck - "ta arn pasa-Thai dai dee gwar" (if you can READ Thai, it's better) The ID SAYS male or female (and they CANNOT CHANGE IT)[/QUOTE]So how is this written in Thai on the IDs for male and female?

Cheers Mate, and I concurred with your assessment. That is the reason I normally go on my mongering "holidays" (average twice a year) alone or with male friends who shared a common hobby (P4P actions).

For me "once bitten, I am twice shy" and so I will "take the timber I need from the forest I am in..."

Cheers


[QUOTE=Bionicman]3-some or not, myself mongering in Thailand or not, after visiting Thailand twice a year since 3-4 years (and mongering, there, yes!), I would be very reluctant to bring my wife there.
I go to Thailand alone and she knows.
Various circumstances allow me a sort of legitimate holiday alone there.
It is under the eyes of anybody, even going in the most legitimate places, what goes on in Thailand with western men (of different ages) walking around with thai girls (generally younger than the 'boy')

So, once she has seen the thai scene, any woman (on principle) will sense what those guys are doing and there for.
And she can easily figure out what her companion can do if left with no lace..:)
Maybe they suspect, maybe they wonder, but seeing is believing!
Then of course it is up to the individual relationship people have with their partners (liberal, trustful, etc)
Lot would not bother, some would not "clearly see", other will think "dirty old single men...but mine is ok!"
But in most cases walking around (not to mention the existance of the bars full of girls, be them in the mongering areas or not, and the tens of massage aprlour with nice girl tempting the passer by's) gives a clear message to our ladies...
If one has already been in Thailand alone and then takes the wife she will say "ah...I know why he came here"
If one has not been there yet alone, she will still think " better not let him come here alone as the temptations are at every corner and in between one corner and the other"
:)
Surely thousands of tourists visit the country with the most legitimate and purely tourist approach, no doubt.
Also mongerers are sightseeing around, lol.
Still it is a fact the "offer" is so big that there must be a "big" demand too...:)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Edward M]So how is this written in Thai on the IDs for male and female?[/QUOTE]

Mister: นาย ("nai")
Miss: น.ส. (abbreviation for นางสาว "nang sao")
Mistress: นาง ("nang")

But be careful, because fake ID cards do exist and certain girls (real or not) sometimes borrow one of their friends' ID card (the current one or even an old one that was declared as "lost").

[QUOTE=Striderani]Hey guys,

Been lurking for a while and decided I may as well introduce myself as I'm beggining to get more questions piled up around me. Just on a offhand note, I've enjoyed reading kumbu's posts and I do enjoy the detail he has put into them. I can only hope I would experience some of the things he has one day. Anyways, I'll start off with a short introduction. I'm 19 years old, living in Australia and I've started my first year of uni. Now before you criticize me for my age, please bear with me as I try to explain myself. The secrets of Thailand have been no great mystery to me for many a year. It has always been one of my ambitions to go here, if only just once, for a short time to experience the likes of which I will never see again. *

There is however, a problem I doubt many of you will be familiar with. Pretty much boils down to the rents, though it encompasses more than that which I think some of you will at least have experience with. *

Anyways, I might as well get to the point. Is it possible to visit Pattaya withought those back home knowing of your true intentions? And how would be the best way to do this? After hours of pondering, I've come up with the plan/idea that the best way to do it would be to split the trip up into two weeks, one for mongering and the other for touristy stuff so I can fake my reasons and bring back what my family expect (photos, video footage, trinkets&suviniers etc). This approach would severly dampen my mood as I would not do any mongering on the first week. So I guess what I'm asking here is " Is it possible to monger full time while give the illusion that your holidaying? I would be greatfull if anyone could help me out on that. *

I do have some other worries though, mostly of the nature of. Will coming here fuck up the way I perceive woman and stuff of this nature. I guess I can only really answer this stuff myself. Will I become addicted? I hope not because family would find it suspicious that I would travel there constantly.

Ah well it feels good to finally let someone know about this stuff. It would be great to find someone willing to come with me on a trip from Australia bu I wouldn't have clue who to talk to. I'm sure you would agree that the average person my age would certainly not think of coming here for this purpose. I'm not planning on coming anytime soon, possibly toward the end of the year. But it's a big possility. I might have other overseas travels planned or uni might take over through the holidays too.

Just some other various tidbits. I'm starting go pick up some of the abbreviations you guys use (DATY, SL, LT etc) but I can't put my finger on some of them. Mostly p4p I think and BF not sure if that stands for boyfriend or not.

Other than those quires I have one last one. How often do some of the more experienced users in ISG Meet up with the rookies and is how easy is it to organize/how often does it happen. I only ask because I would be an absolute begginer and would appreciate someone showing my the ropes. Ok well maybe that was more than one question.

Well I won't make you suffer through anymore reading and I'll cut it short(***). Been holding off of posting much because I don't have any reports to contribute since I havn't been there yet, I thought I might as well post here and introduce myself and see what happens. *

Cheers,

Strider[/QUOTE]

P4P = pay 4 pleasure/play

BF = Boyfriend or Bar fine depending on the context
a girl might say I have an American BF, a guy might say How much was the BF

Bar fine is the system in Thailand whereby if you want a girl from one of the "bar beers" or GoGos you pay the bar/club an amount typically 300B for a bar and 500-800B for a Gogo to release the girl early from work (otherwise they are likely to keep her hanging around till 2-4am. In Thailand you must then also agree a price for the girl as well . The system in the Philippines is a little different as the bar fine is higher but includes and amount (typically around 50% which goes to the girl so that at least in Angeles (the Pattaya equiv in Phils) you only have to pay an additional tip if you are pleased with then service.

Many young guys come to Thailand / Pattaya and get by without explicitly paying for sex - though probably they will buy the girl food/drinks. It depends on your looks / skills . If you are fat and ugly you may well have to join us oldsters and pay up. If you are a good looking or even an average somewhat spotty/geeky guy you may well get what you want without paying in Pattaya.

This is because many of the young girls in the bars are happy to be bar fined by an older guy, then after he has come (short time) or they have remembered that there is some urgent reason they cannot stay with him after all they will go to the clubs down walking street with their friends. Some of the girls will explicitly loiter there looking for extra custom, but loads of them will either be satisfied with that days earnings or be getting money send from overseas by one or more foreign BF's and there main idea is to HAVE FUN. Having a YOUNG and if possible HANDSOME BF is a HIGH STATUS thing for such girls so they may well be prepared to go with you for fun.

Note this is primarily a Pattaya thing, in more conservative parts of the country your chances of short term free sex are much lower.

Re your dual centre plan. i would suggest going to Pattaya first. You can do some local island hoping to get some pics of beaches and there are plenty of thai souvenirs to buy. If you find a nice girl i would then be tempted to take her to somewhere like Ko Chang about 4 hours minibus towards the cambodian coast which is are regular island holiday destination with a limited P4P scene.

[QUOTE=Striderani]... I'm starting go pick up some of the abbreviations you guys use (DATY, SL, LT etc) but I can't put my finger on some of them...[/QUOTE]

Useful reading about abbreviations: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1897[/url]

As for myself, I will be moving to Thailand in a month for an extended period time because I have been to Thailand before and liked the country very much! I especially enjoyed Chiang Mai and that's where I intend to live as well as seek work in my field of teaching English.

I formerly taught in a Central European country which does not have the close travel links that, say, the UK, Germany, the Scandanavian countries, etc., have with Thailand but the people I associate with still have the "mindset" of the "Thai equation"(Thailand = girls/women for sex!).

I try to "laugh it off" by explaining that I am also going there to "live with the elephants" along with working!

But, even my legitimate and truthful occupational intent won't provide me with the "cover" I need!(i.e. "Thailand...that's nice...have a wonderful time, wink, wink!"

[Quote=Striderani]Anyways, I might as well get to the point. Is it possible to visit Pattaya withought those back home knowing of your true intentions? And how would be the best way to do this? After hours of pondering, I've come up with the plan/idea that the best way to do it would be to split the trip up into two weeks, one for mongering and the other for touristy stuff so I can fake my reasons and bring back what my family expect (photos, video footage, trinkets&suviniers etc). This approach would severly dampen my mood as I would not do any mongering on the first week. So I guess what I'm asking here is " Is it possible to monger full time while give the illusion that your holidaying? I would be greatfull if anyone could help me out on that.[/Quote]

Here are my opinions/thoughts to answer your question.

As I have come to believe Thailand has a world reputation(the "high and mighty" consider it a "stigma") of where to go to have sex with, most likely, multiple paid partners...really no way to get away from it(general knowledge of Pattaya as "ground zero" does not seem to be as widespread, however!).

To begin with, I would only tell people that you are going to Thailand on a "need to know" basis and, perhaps, fabricate a "fake" tour with actual "touristy" locations(even better if you are going to these locations yourself but not necessary as you can always "shuffle" the digital photos as who is really going to know?).

Another, possible, "real purpose of journey" explaination is that you can say that are going to "backpack it" and stay in "youth hostels", not shave and/or make showers infrequently...which can make you appear to really want to "live off the land"(a real contradiction to the personal hygene image of someone who's intent was sex!).

Lastly, remember, you are at the "young, curious, explorational" age of 19 and have all the sex you want at home so why could you ever want to go to Thailand for it?

Hope this gives you some ideas and that you have a enjoyable journey in the LOS!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=GregLondon] Having a YOUNG and if possible HANDSOME BF is a HIGH STATUS thing for such girls so they may well be prepared to go with you for fun.

Note this is primarily a Pattaya thing, in more conservative parts of the country your chances of short term free sex are much lower.

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This is a very good point and is indeed limited to Pattaya.

Also, you say "HANDSOME BF". This does not mean "HANDSOME short time free fuck never go out in public BF"

They want to show you off if you fit the "HANDSOME BF" criteria. But that means you have to hang out with a "sex worker" outside of the bedroom.

Strider,
Easy question first:
[QUOTE=Striderani] Is it possible to visit Pattaya withought those back home knowing of your true intentions? And how would be the best way to do this? ...Is it possible to monger full time while give the illusion that your holidaying? I would be greatfull if anyone could help me out on that.[/QUOTE]I'm American, and so I don't know what the precise Aussie translation for this is, but I would say the answer to these questions is an unambiguous YES WE CAN.

You need to be meticulous though. There are lots of bobs and bits that tend to get over looked and might come back and bite you. Are you in a relationship? This could be particularly sticky, as she (maybe he? no judgments) will be particularly attuned to a visit to Thailand. You need to make sure that you can make hotel reservations with a credit card without anyone seeing your bills. Maybe get a prepaid CC? When you arrive, get a local SIM card so you can follow up with good girls (available at any 7-11 for (I think) 99B). But when you leave, make sure you sanitize the phone. Get your story straight: I was in place X for these dates, and then place Y for these dates, etc. And tell EVERYONE the exact same story, or else your details will get fucked up and you will get caught. In fact, rehearse those details to yourself many, many times, visualizing what it must have been like stuck on that damned tourist bus with the noisy American couple behind you, etc. "Oh Bob, look at that large European gentleman with those three skinny girls. What an odd group they are, aren't they?" Rehearse and visualize until you begin to believe the stories yourself.

You can get loads of pics during the day in Pattaya and Bangkok - lots of touristy stuff. There are hundreds of wats (temples) that you can click away to your heart's delight, maybe catch a shot of an elephant on the street, a beach or two, and you're good. I would say you do not need to spend half your mongering time pissing it away doing a bunch of boring, tedious, touristy crap. Unless you want to, that is. So my recommendation would be to load up on the mongering, skip the other stuff.

Now a question which you indeed gave the correct answer (I see a bright few years at University for you!):
[QUOTE=Striderani]Will coming here fuck up the way I perceive woman and stuff of this nature.[/QUOTE]Answer:[QUOTE=Striderani] I guess I can only really answer this stuff myself. [/QUOTE]This is because we don't know how you view women now. Nor what kind of experience you will have here. Nor what kind of guy you are. So only you can answer this question. I will tell you that there are mongers who respect women, and there are mongers who treat them like shit, and there are mongers who fear women, and there are mongers who want to hurt them, and there are mongers who want to love them. So the activity of mongering will not necessarily *change* your attitude towards women (although it might). I think it is more likely to bring it into sharp focus.

Now the really tough question:
[QUOTE=Striderani]Will I become addicted?[/QUOTE]This is the tough one. Have you never paid a woman for sex before? In the words of Senator Clay Davis from The Wire..."Sheeeeeeeeeeeeyit".

I would say yes. I mean, fuck yeah, you will get addicted. It is worse than crack. You may go off it for a while, but you will eventually get the urge back, and it will be like you never left. I was going to say something like "If you think you can't handle being addicted to this activity, I would recommend not even starting." But I think it is too late for that. You say that you have been dreaming of going to Thailand for years, well, that means you are pretty much hooked. You need to figure out how to manage this addiction. How to feed it in a reasonable way, without breaking the bank or the rest of your life. In a sense, ISG might be a place you can go for therapy, or at least advise. Welcome to the club, laddie.

[QUOTE=Striderani]Been holding off of posting much because I don't have any reports to contribute since I havn't been there yet, I thought I might as well post here and introduce myself and see what happens.[/QUOTE]You did the right thing. Pick up some more info, then put it into practice, and then submit the most awesome of reports telling us exactly what it felt like when your lips met her ass cheeks, and how she felt when she came, and explain to us just how fucking addicted you are to mongering.

Good luck Strider. In a sense, I envy you...starting out on a path very similar to myself...a young 19 year old dreaming of frivolous sex with a beautiful woman with no attachments and little worry. It's how every young man should start his University career.

[QUOTE=Goyave]Mister: นาย ("nai")
Miss: น.ส. (abbreviation for นางสาว "nang sao")
Mistress: นาง ("nang")

But be careful, because fake ID cards do exist and certain girls (real or not) sometimes borrow one of their friends' ID card (the current one or even an old one that was declared as "lost").[/QUOTE]


Hi guys, hope some of you (with Thai knowledge) can help.
I include two copies from ID cards and want to know with gender there is registered.
Txs.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15]Hi guys, hope some of you (with Thai knowledge) can help.
I include two copies from ID cards and want to know with gender there is registered.
Txs.[/QUOTE]

Those are females (there is น.ส. for "Miss" before their name).

[QUOTE=Goldenam]Thank you guys for your kind answers. So you say Thai girls would like to do sex with a white couple? Do you mean every Thai "service provider"? No matter if the girl would be from a beer-bar or a go-go? That would be great! My GF has perfect body, much better than many of the twenties (although she is 30-some now) and she is pretty. In fact she looks very much like Thai, with great admixture of european blood. I am quite good looking as well.

Im considering bringing my GF to Thailand as a kind of a 'gift' to her. Going to Pattaya alone would bring me hundreds of possibilities to give some gifts just for myself :) But in that case I'm just thinking about her - my long, long term GF. Of course seeing her having sex with some Thai girl (and me with them) would also be an exciting experience to me, but this is where my doubts begin... Coudn't it brake somehow our long term relationship? It wont brake my feelings to her at all, but how about her..? She is rather not the one who would check my loyalty that way. And it is my idea to do "Pattaya three-some", not her. Actually she don't know yet what I am planning to do, as I want to make her such a suprise. I didn't ask her if she would like it, but knowing her for years - I am pretty sure she would! However this is only my assumption. She keeps saying that some girls make her hot and wet, and that she would love to have a sex with some exotic, cute girl (like Cuban girl instead of havana-cigar, for example :) She did have some sex (just some) with the girls she liked, but no man was involved in it ever, even me - what a shame :) When we talked about it, she said she is not sure how she would feel if we would have another girl (in theory) in our bed. She definitely didn't say "no way" - she seems to be quite open to it - but she was not sure about her feelings in that case, about her eventual shame or envy or becoming "to wild and crazy" just to quote her...

I like very much an idea about Penthouse hotel, that place would suit my fantasies! And hopefully would make my GF feel more comfortable, if she would know we are there for some extras, as people use to get some extras on their holidays. You know guys, as much as I dream about it - I don't want to cause any troubles to the relationship with my GF. If I would be selfish, I would go to Pattay alone, having there some once-in-a-lifetime fucking experience, but I want my GF also to get this kind of experience. Which would please me as well, but I am not convinced if that would work.[/QUOTE]Hi Goldenam,

Don't mean to rain on your parade, but I think you need to discuss your surprise with your GF before booking. You may get a surprise boot out the door if you're not careful. Fantasies of 3sums or any kind discussed between partners is usually best left that way. As a fantasy! Very often an erotic fantasy played out in the privacy of your room can be fun, but a disaster when turned to reality, especially if one partner takes it a step closer to the real thing without discussion before hand. The reality can change the dynamic of your relationship and not necessary for the better!

Put it another way, lets say your GF wanted another guy to make up a 3sum with you, how would you feel if she went behind your back organised a nice holiday with the express intention of picking up random guys to bring 'HER' fantasy to life? Also, how would you feel seeing your GF banging another guy? Perhaps the whole girl on girl thing may fun for both of you, but how do you think she will feel when you're banging the other girl?

My advice, thread carefully, you may think you know what your GF feels, but in the face of reality what you think she feels and what she actually feels are two completely different things! I think all the guys on here will confirm you never really know what a woman is thinking, no matter how long you are with her!

Maybe I'm over analysing the situation?

Good luck.

Thanks for the responses guys, I feel like it was worth it deciding to introduce myself. Please forgive me for my poor English in my last post, I was posting it via Iphone after all.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]Strider,

You need to be meticulous though. There are lots of bobs and bits that tend to get over looked and might come back and bite you. Are you in a relationship? This could be particularly sticky, as she (maybe he? no judgments) will be particularly attuned to a visit to Thailand. You need to make sure that you can make hotel reservations with a credit card without anyone seeing your bills. Maybe get a prepaid CC? When you arrive, get a local SIM card so you can follow up with good girls (available at any 7-11 for (I think) 99B). But when you leave, make sure you sanitize the phone. Get your story straight: I was in place X for these dates, and then place Y for these dates, etc. And tell EVERYONE the exact same story, or else your details will get fucked up and you will get caught. In fact, rehearse those details to yourself many, many times, visualizing what it must have been like stuck on that damned tourist bus with the noisy American couple behind you, etc. "Oh Bob, look at that large European gentleman with those three skinny girls. What an odd group they are, aren't they?" Rehearse and visualize until you begin to believe the stories yourself.

You can get loads of pics during the day in Pattaya and Bangkok - lots of touristy stuff. There are hundreds of wats (temples) that you can click away to your heart's delight, maybe catch a shot of an elephant on the street, a beach or two, and you're good. I would say you do not need to spend half your mongering time pissing it away doing a bunch of boring, tedious, touristy crap. Unless you want to, that is. So my recommendation would be to load up on the mongering, skip the other stuff.
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Ah right, I can see this will be pretty easy so long as I'm careful. I figure the hardest bit will be when I come back. I figure I may stay in bangkok for a day and take some pictures of the big city and say I've been there for a week. Hmm, it thrills me just thinking about it. Another thing I imagine is that I can be whoever I want when I'm there, I doubt the girls will notice anything much. A prepaid CC is definitely a must. No GF. I did the whole GF thing back in high school and it just wasn't for me. I believe I am much more mature than most people my age, though I do understand I lack experience. I just couldn't deal with a whole bunch of adolescent biyatchs cring and moaning about their life and yadda yadda yadda. Not for me. Definitely when I'm older I'll settle down and have a family, but not now.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]
This is because we don't know how you view women now. Nor what kind of experience you will have here. Nor what kind of guy you are. So only you can answer this question. I will tell you that there are mongers who respect women, and there are mongers who treat them like shit, and there are mongers who fear women, and there are mongers who want to hurt them, and there are mongers who want to love them. So the activity of mongering will not necessarily *change* your attitude towards women (although it might). I think it is more likely to bring it into sharp focus. [/QUOTE]

Well, I'll try to relate my experiences down in Australia, I've been to brothels and strip joints, brothels a total of 5 times, the first time on my 18 bday lol. It's just way to much money to spend 300$+ extra's for an hour with no BBBJ and one pop. Pathetic. And it's not even guaranteed that the girl will enjoy it. 2 out of the three where starfish. But at least in Pattaya it don't cost you an arm and a leg. Kinda funny that I don't have a job. Wouldn't like to know what the gov would do if they found out what I'm using their money for.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]
I would say yes. I mean, fuck yeah, you will get addicted. It is worse than crack. You may go off it for a while, but you will eventually get the urge back, and it will be like you never left. I was going to say something like "If you think you can't handle being addicted to this activity, I would recommend not even starting." But I think it is too late for that. You say that you have been dreaming of going to Thailand for years, well, that means you are pretty much hooked. You need to figure out how to manage this addiction. How to feed it in a reasonable way, without breaking the bank or the rest of your life. In a sense, ISG might be a place you can go for therapy, or at least advise. Welcome to the club, laddie.

You did the right thing. Pick up some more info, then put it into practice, and then submit the most awesome of reports telling us exactly what it felt like when your lips met her ass cheeks, and how she felt when she came, and explain to us just how fucking addicted you are to mongering.

Good luck Strider. In a sense, I envy you...starting out on a path very similar to myself...a young 19 year old dreaming of frivolous sex with a beautiful woman with no attachments and little worry. It's how every young man should start his University career.[/QUOTE]
Lol, the world would be a pretty f'd up place if every young man started their uni career this way. I understand I am definitely not in the majority, but I've always been like that, no biggie.
I enjoy your literary style Kumbu, I would hope my reports come close to your quality; I am willing to try.
[QUOTE=GregLondon]
Bar fine is the system in Thailand whereby if you want a girl from one of the "bar beers" or GoGos you pay the bar/club an amount typically 300B for a bar and 500-800B for a Gogo to release the girl early from work (otherwise they are likely to keep her hanging around till 2-4am. In Thailand you must then also agree a price for the girl as well . The system in the Philippines is a little different as the bar fine is higher but includes and amount (typically around 50% which goes to the girl so that at least in Angeles (the Pattaya equiv in Phils) you only have to pay an additional tip if you are pleased with then service.[/QUOTE]

Lol, I get how it works, though I imagine when I first get there everything I know will go flying out the window.
Though I didn't know about the possibility of not explicitly paying for sex. I can't say I do like the idea, but I've already read a few posts on the forums about the well-defined dangers of doing so. I wouldn't consider myself particularly handsom but I also know that these girls standards are completely out of whack and different then anything I've ever seen or experienced before. I'll just have to see how I go.
Thanks for the clarification on those acronyms too, and Goyave for the link, they will come in handy.
Ah well, when this year ends, I think I will shed my gaming addiction, and grow another in it's stead, one that will make more man then most.