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Disregard the numbers on my last report. Mistakenly my ColombiaCupid search was all of Colombia, not just Medellin. For Medellin only for the same criteria I got under 200 hits! So it looks to me like LAC is more popular than CC and the better value.
[QUOTE=John]I think Bibiana is one of the high maintenance girls in Casa Blanca. She keeps herself looking Imaculate all the time.
Honestly I think she is a bit of user. Not that other girls are not but IMHO she tilts more towards a pro who is beautiful in her own ways.
When I had her I knew what to expect and I was ready to dish out the extra cash for a live natural Lesbian show. If you were to ask me if i would repeat with her my reply would be sure for ST and not TLN.
Regards,
John[/QUOTE]She wasn't like that when she started 1.5 years ago, but yeah, she is getting a bit high maintenance. Not sure what everyone sees in her to keep repeating. LOL
[QUOTE=Phunluv]Dirk, please check out my other response to your report in the other thread with regards to strategies for keeping the non-pros in the dark about your p4p activities.
I also noticed in the other thread your interest in "high-end" p4p, the top-looking girls we all fantasize about when we think of Colombia. There have been some ideas tossed around in this board in the past that I can bring up again. Keep in mind though, your Spanish skills MUST be proficient if you expect to get inside the high-end world and gain the confidence of the women who will present you the hottest girls.
First of all, would you like to try Cali? There's a high-end agency there called "Las Profesionales" or "Amantes del Deseo" that while very expensive, does provide what you're looking for. It's also for the most part a "what you see is what you get" agency although be careful with the faces (see below).
I had two girls from this agency from a trip a few years back. One girl was an absolute stunner (for my taste) with the huge silicones (if that's your thing; I enjoy it, but I only look for it half the time at most and I readily admit the size of these sili-hooters has gotten ridiculous in recent years). The second girl also had an amazing body (huge sili-boobs again and an ass that makes you drool, exactly like the ones you see in the popular YouTube vids of the Miss Cola beauty contests that are common down there in the Cali area), but alas the face was one of those you'd want to put a bag on. Still, I enjoyed it very much once she was in doggy. ;)
Prices at this agency go from 160K cop to millions. I paid around 280K for an hour if I remember (back then the rate was 2300 to the dollar, so it wasn't that bad, and it was before the Great Recession which has hit me harder than I anticipated unfortunately). Pricey, but at my income level, it won't break the bank, even with today's lousy exchange rate (unless you do this every day). You might be able to get a better rate for an evening out with the girl.
There is no similar agency that I know of in MDE. However, if any of those hot model shows or certain types of beauty pageants (the car audio shows and Miss Cola contests you can see on You Tube, etc.) are around in the area, talk to the promoters or managers of the event. Again, you need good Spanish skills here. Begin as usual by asking about these kinds of shows, massage their egos, then just say casually "off-the-cuff" how beautiful you think the women are and how you've always wondered what it would be like "pasar una noche rica" (spend a pleasant evening) with one of them. He'll get your point without having to spell it out in case he's not that kind of go-to guy who will introduce you to the girls/madame.
In a hot nightclub that seems to have prepagas partying around, have the security guy or bartender introduce you to the promoter or manager of the place. That's how you network your way in. I think that works better than the cold approach as some of these prepagas might be "off-duty" (just partying) or "taken" by a local, so you definitely don't want to be the stereotypical "clumsy gringo" getting into awkward situations.
I know this sounds ridiculous but if I spot a suspected prepaga at a disco (hot looking chicks showing off their huge siliboobs usually by themselves or with another slutty looking chick), I've had 1-out-of-3 success doing the old "I think my watch is off" cold approach. While we're verifying that my nice expensive watch has the correct time, I tell her discreetly to meet me later at the bar if she's free and wants to talk more. Then just walk away to the other side and do something completely different (e.g., go dance for awhile) like your interaction was nothing special. Be sure to really have the watch off by 15-20 min just in case she's not a prepaga and/or not an idiot. Most of the girls will just laugh at you but just laugh back with them and say see you later (you never know). I don't like cold approaches, I tend to be a reserved shy type of guy so I've never grown comfortable with them but 1 out of 3 ain't bad for a guy who's not naturally good at this stuff. You don't need a brilliant entry line, you just need any bs excuse to get your message out there that you're looking for p4p while not making it obvious.
As for the promoters, you might get further if you're with some local Colombiano friends. These promoter types might not open up to the lonely (maybe also a bit weird, lol!) gringo monger asking too many questions. :) You mentioned this aspect of "social proof" yourself in your report. In the 2nd paragraph I quoted, you wrote how the group changed its attitude once one of their members vouched for you. By the way, going alone to bars & clubs is a pretty big no-no down there; don't do that anymore, that's considered weird at best. Unless you're strictly after the prepagas, you'll almost definitely need to go out with your Colombian buddies. And NEVER try to hunt prepagas and non-pros at the same time. That's asking for a disaster; if you're busted by the non-pros it's game over the rest of your trip.
As for the English thing, I don't understand how you could be "shocked" by that? What were you thinking? This is South America, NOT Eastern Europe or the 'stans. I'm actually thankful English is not common down there, I'd start to worry if I notice more people speaking back to me in Ingles.[/QUOTE]Your advice is intrepid and your posts reveal a deep understanding of the game. I doth tip my cover to you. I'd love to monger with you.
If only I spoke Spainish.
[QUOTE=FoxesHunter]Hi, I like to share my experience. This time I have chatted with many peruvian and colombian girls in Colombia and Peru on some dating web sites. I have noticed peruvian girls are much more responsive than colombian girls.
Peruvian girls like much more to speak with gringos. It is a pleasure to chat with them. Colombian girls are cold and uninterested. They seem to be frightened.
I have seen many pictures of peruvian and I can tell you many are wonderful the same than colombian girls.
This is my experience with regular girls.[/QUOTE]There are beautiful girls in both countries, I find you have to search a little harder for the stunners in Peru but they are plentiful. Much better food 10 fold in Peru. I get just as much "love" from the Colombianas as I do from the Peruanas, so I don't know wtf your gift of gab consists of.
Hi eveyone!
I'm not here to start a controversial conversation, mainly I want an objective answer, I am a Tijuana Local and I've been to la zona since I was 18 and love doing it, rescently I've been invited to go to Colombia, I have a friend who has family there and knowing that its a main tourist atraction to us mongers I have to ask, is there anyone who has visited both Tijuana and Medellin who can give me an objective opinion on what to expect?
I know that somethings would be better and other worse, I don't want a competition thing here were Tijuana mongers say one thing and Medellin mongers another, has someone really, been to both places and tell me the pro and const of the two?
I can be PMed if you wih.
Thanks al.
I cant speak as far as Peruvian girls,, but the Colombian girls I have had, and I have had my share, are anything but frighned or non-responsive. They have been great.
[QUOTE=FoxesHunter]Hi, I like to share my experience. This time I have chatted with many peruvian and colombian girls in Colombia and Peru on some dating web sites. I have noticed peruvian girls are much more responsive than colombian girls.
Peruvian girls like much more to speak with gringos. It is a pleasure to chat with them. Colombian girls are cold and uninterested. They seem to be frightened.
I have seen many pictures of peruvian and I can tell you many are wonderful the same than colombian girls.
This is my experience with regular girls.[/QUOTE]
I'm really getting a negative vibe about colombia. I am reading that they will rob you, and a lot of them are cold. Is this a small percentage. Are most of the strippers at the main 3 clubs cold and mechanical? I'm used to brazilian girls with their - you treat me well and I will treat you well attitude. Can you get strippers after or before work for 150k pesos.
Just heard that a favorita from a couple of trips ago is now hanging at Donde Aquellos. I had met her at one of the El centro clubs.
Where is this place, and what is it like?
Wuz up,
I used to live in San Diego, California, but I now live in Medellin. I have experience with both cities in questions. Colombian girls are by far better looking than mexican women. Better looking faces and much better bodies. European features are common among the women in Medellin. On the other hand, Mexican women look like indians (native americans).
As far as mongering, it is much cheaper to monger in Colombia than in TJ. The quality of the working girls varies depending on the establishment.
[QUOTE=Jim0129]Hi eveyone!
I'm not here to start a controversial conversation, mainly I want an objective answer, I am a Tijuana Local and I've been to la zona since I was 18 and love doing it, rescently I've been invited to go to Colombia, I have a friend who has family there and knowing that its a main tourist atraction to us mongers I have to ask, is there anyone who has visited both Tijuana and Medellin who can give me an objective opinion on what to expect?
I know that somethings would be better and other worse, I don't want a competition thing here were Tijuana mongers say one thing and Medellin mongers another, has someone really, been to both places and tell me the pro and const of the two?
I can be PMed if you wih.
Thanks al.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=You Can]I cant speak as far as Peruvian girls,, but the Colombian girls I have had, and I have had my share, are anything but frighned or non-responsive. They have been great.[/QUOTE]May be you are beautiful and young instead of me, I am beautiful but I'm 50 years old.
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Just about every girl on that site is a prepago, has money coming in from all angles. You could be just another western union novio to go along with her Colombian boyfriend. Lets see, 20yr old girl, no job but has new implants and can afford 20k per day to go to Club Body Tech?(hypothetical) p.s. though, Her pics and scenario scream prepago anyways.
Good Luck![/QUOTE]As far as I know, Bibiana's tits are the real deal. Not implants (at least when I saw her last year) Someone mentioned why guys repeat with her, perhaps that's two reasons. By now, she's probably 23 y.o. though.
[QUOTE=Helprules]I'm really getting a negative vibe about colombia. I am reading that they will rob you, and a lot of them are cold. Is this a small percentage. Are most of the strippers at the main 3 clubs cold and mechanical? I'm used to brazilian girls with their - you treat me well and I will treat you well attitude. Can you get strippers after or before work for 150k pesos.[/QUOTE]Although bad things can happen anywhere, but your negative vibe that girls will rob you in Colombia is by no means true for general P4P girls in Colombia. Your second query about service quality at the 3 main clubs. IMHO, I only visit Face Dos to enjoy the atmosphere. I have not had any great sessions at Face Dos. Sandiego show another club has reasonable looking girls and they provide service 6/10.
As per service quality compared to Brazil. In my opinion difference between Colombian girls and Brazilian girls is that you don't fuck Garotas in Brazil instead they fuck you real good. Let's say the best experience you will have in Colombia can be very close to your Brazilian experience.
I don't go to Brazil in recent years because it has gone way too expensive. First travel time is much more and then Reais appreciated alot.
Regards,
John
[QUOTE=Helprules]I'm really getting a negative vibe about colombia. I am reading that they will rob you, and a lot of them are cold. Is this a small percentage. Are most of the strippers at the main 3 clubs cold and mechanical? I'm used to brazilian girls with their - you treat me well and I will treat you well attitude. Can you get strippers after or before work for 150k pesos.[/QUOTE]It would be unwise to draw the conclusion that you appear to be drawing. Colombia is a great place with great girls. It's darn foolish to leave a wad of 100 dollar bills within eyesight of a poor barrio girl; the person who did so should learn or (relearn) his lesson
I was rather lackadaisical in my conduct because as of late the only time I routinely pay for hookers for a night is in Dubai where the girls are scared silly of ever robbing a client. These Colombian girls are tough cookies and not scared of the Colombian police or a punk gringo like me. If fact, one of the chicks even called the police on me that night for refusing to pay her after her friend stole a bunch of money from me. "Well, yes, I did not give you the 180k pesos because your friend has a wad of my 100s in her purse. " With Boyd's help, the girl admitted to stealing from me and the situation just devolved and faded away. It was never really confrontational nor threatening for any of the parties. The police shook my hand and chatted for a bit and the girl hugged me before she left. This kinda shit happens when you deal with poor hookers if you don't take precautions.
As to girls being cold. Do you expect GFE during an initial 40 minute on-site fuck? Really. It happens but it's not the norm.
I had great service on-site at Facie Dos with one of the chicas but I think it was because it was my second night there and I bought the chick about five lady drinks, some smokes, had her drinking from my bottle of rum, and tipped her and her friends in 5k, 10k and, 20k notes. In other words I built a rapport with her and could tell that she was comfortable with and was attracted to me. Not just instructing the waiter to have her brought to the rooms next door after ogling her on stage. A nice and generous guy enabling a stripper to enjoy a successful day at the office gets better service than one who does not. At least this is the rule-of-thumb.
And yes, unfortunately, strippers at strip clubs, all too often judge a guy based upon how much money he puts in her pocket through lady drinks and tips.
Yes, you can get girls before or after work for about 150k +20K for taxi fare but the better looking ones asked me for a bit more.
DD
[QUOTE=Jim0129]Hi eveyone!
I'm not here to start a controversial conversation, mainly I want an objective answer, I am a Tijuana Local and I've been to la zona since I was 18 and love doing it, recently I've been invited to go to Colombia, I have a friend who has family there and knowing that its a main tourist atraction to us mongers I have to ask, is there anyone who has visited both Tijuana and Medellin who can give me an objective opinion on what to expect?
I know that somethings would be better and other worse, I don't want a competition thing here were Tijuana mongers say one thing and Medellin mongers another, has someone really, been to both places and tell me the pro and const of the two?
I can be PMed if you wih.
Thanks al.[/QUOTE]I agree with what TS wrote.
I live in southern California and am in Tijuana once or twice a month. The ladies of MDE, on a whole are better looking, with nicer bodies. The are more apt to give you good service on the first session. The cost is also less in MDE than Tijuana. There are many levels to the scene in MDE. Agency's, Loutron's, Fase Dos, San Diego, Centro clubs, Mayorista. Speaking Spanish is much more important in MDE, since few speak English at all. IMJ, this is good, even though my Spanish is Kindergarten at best. I count on my other skills.
That being said, with you being a local, you know that there are many VGL ladies in Tijuana. The more one is in Tijuana the easier it is to have good sessions, with VGL ladies. There are SG's that are VGL for half the cost of bar girls. I have been with some stunners in Tijuana, as much for the experience as the ride. IMO, usually the stunners may not be the best performers, especially when there are fewer of them around.
Although MDE has become my favorite mongering destination, I am very glad that I have Tijuana a couple of hours from my house.
Health & happiness to all.
[QUOTE=Almotu]As far as I know, Bibiana's tits are the real deal. Not implants (at least when I saw her last year) Someone mentioned why guys repeat with her, perhaps that's two reasons. By now, she's probably 23 y.o. though.[/QUOTE]She's still 20. the tits are absolutely real, and lots of guys repeat because the experience is spectacular!