Kyiv

[QUOTE=Sponsor74]I have been advised by locals not to use the tunnel there in the Metro station in the night, theft criminals etc, Who can give more information?[/QUOTE]I used the tunnel many times between 11 pm And midnight. No problems. But if you're afraid, you can just cross the street. Wait for the traffic to stop in one direction, then wait in the middle and after a few minutes you will be able to get to RP.

I never took a taxi to RP. Always a subway. On your way back also do not take taxi waiting near the door. They will charge too much. Twice I left in the girl's car, and many times I just called a taxi service. Any girl would know several numbers for different taxi companies.

Hello fellow mongers,

Recently stayed some days in Kiev for business and was trying to combine this with our hobby. Inspired by all good reports here I prepared my stay by a research in LL (freebies) and mamba (looking for sponsor). Do not want to bore you so a quick summary. Even I arrangend always 2 meetings for the same time it happend to have no shows. Especially mamba talents like to cheat. Svetlana [url]http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=336032988[/url] and Eva [url]http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=205937605[/url] did not show up. Was more lucky with Angelina [url]http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=327148624[/url], who came to the hotel for € 100 for 2 hours. Photos are real, she tries hard to satisfy but she can also be seen in River Palace. River Palace by the way seems to have big sale, headed there friday around 2 am going rate was € 100 to € 150 for "all night". Had a meeting with a freebee from LL, nice lady though no sex until now. Will keep working on her. Avoid Prezident Hotel, security charges you 200 griwna for your guest. Happy hunting and feel free to ask in case you have any particular question.

[QUOTE=Diceman]Ok heres the directions for the massage place I found close to Kreshatic that quite a few of you have sent me pms about.

As you come up the escalator and exit metro at Kreshatic, look directly across the main road, the big road, off to the left you will see a street a main street going up a hill, I think its called, pushkinskaya. You walk up the hill maybe 50-75 yards, keep on the right its number 9b, its an archway between to restaurants, go through the archway, into a sort of courtyard, look ahead to the building in front of you, the door at ground level will be open no code required its up one flight of stairs, so its the first floor. Apartment 62 phone number 668243896. Might be idea to call for appointment as it was busy, its 24 hours, student type girls there young tight sexy, 3-4 to choose from, enjoy.[/QUOTE]This will be very handy for me.

Do you mind advising on the price structure in this place?

Any FS on offer or isit only BJ hr?

Cheers from London still puzzled by Kiev.

CruiserD / UKEboy thanks for the awesome advice from both of you. Let me know if either of you are in town between the 10th and 20th, I'll buy you a beer.

The impression I get from reading all the way back from April 09 is the average spend / girl is around $200 for 2-3 hours. maybe I need to stop comparing but I can't help but figure there are 8-10s in FKKs for 50 euros, that I need to make sense of it ya know esp since I'm travelling purely for pleasure and want something different from Berlin ;)

Anyway CruiserD - Decedence - u mean Decadence House? I also noticed you guys recommending Barksy. I will try Shooters on a Wed/Sun. I might end up frequenting RP. My aim is to spend no more than $150 per girl for at least 2-3 hours if not overnight.

I am really after the young high quality model looks girls, and don't mind if it's just quickies if I can get that for around the $100 mark or less. Those places surely must exist. There's plenty of hot girls in Ukraine and I would think most of the younger ones speak English too. Maybe I have the wrong idea of what to expect.

UKEBoy - I'll avoid Odessa/Crimea on this round like you said. Is there anything you can do to avoid police hassle? Is it smarter to just pay them a few dollars to f them off, or not at all? I will stick to going out in the day except for the RP trips, which seem to be best in the late evenings. And I'll just haul a cab.

Re: Gia, their prices are a bit higher than I want to spend. I discovered you can screen top-models by real pics. I also found this site also- intimgirls.kiev.ua - girls look pretty but hard to say if they are genuine. Tried them?

I'm also exploring flirt.com.ua but it seems very hit and miss. I already have a bunch of replies, but mostly from girls NOT looking for sponsors. I think I will have no problem finding girls to show me around. But I also want to guarantee at least a few hotties in the sack while I'm there.

Re: SW I'll avoid them. Just curious if they are hot or not. Just don't want to end up going all the way to Ukraine with girls that end up like average looking Brits. I have no interest in average looking women really. Interesting what you said about massage places too, as I thought most places offer extras at good prices, but guess I was wrong on that too.

I am looking at the Krechiatik / Kostelnaya area to rent an apartment and checking out a few sites. Will report back on each step as I move closer to getting the best solution :)

[QUOTE=Borat69]CruiserD / UKEboy thanks for the awesome advice from both of you. Let me know if either of you are in town between the 10th and 20th, I'll buy you a beer.

The impression I get from reading all the way back from April 09 is the average spend / girl is around $200 for 2-3 hours. maybe I need to stop comparing but I can't help but figure there are 8-10s in FKKs for 50 euros, that I need to make sense of it ya know esp since I'm travelling purely for pleasure and want something different from Berlin ;)

Anyway CruiserD - Decedence - u mean Decadence House? I also noticed you guys recommending Barksy. I will try Shooters on a Wed/Sun. I might end up frequenting RP. My aim is to spend no more than $150 per girl for at least 2-3 hours if not overnight.

I am really after the young high quality model looks girls, and don't mind if it's just quickies if I can get that for around the $100 mark or less. Those places surely must exist. There's plenty of hot girls in Ukraine and I would think most of the younger ones speak English too. Maybe I have the wrong idea of what to expect.

UKEBoy - I'll avoid Odessa/Crimea on this round like you said. Is there anything you can do to avoid police hassle? Is it smarter to just pay them a few dollars to f them off, or not at all? I will stick to going out in the day except for the RP trips, which seem to be best in the late evenings. And I'll just haul a cab.

Re: Gia, their prices are a bit higher than I want to spend. I discovered you can screen top-models by real pics. I also found this site also- intimgirls.kiev.ua - girls look pretty but hard to say if they are genuine. Tried them?

I'm also exploring flirt.com.ua but it seems very hit and miss. I already have a bunch of replies, but mostly from girls NOT looking for sponsors. I think I will have no problem finding girls to show me around. But I also want to guarantee at least a few hotties in the sack while I'm there.

Re: SW I'll avoid them. Just curious if they are hot or not. Just don't want to end up going all the way to Ukraine with girls that end up like average looking Brits. I have no interest in average looking women really. Interesting what you said about massage places too, as I thought most places offer extras at good prices, but guess I was wrong on that too.

I am looking at the Krechiatik / Kostelnaya area to rent an apartment and checking out a few sites. Will report back on each step as I move closer to getting the best solution :)[/QUOTE]

Borat

Unless you are incredibly handsome and hung like a stallion you have almost zero chance of getting high quality young model looks girls for $150.00 for 2-3 hours. Those ones are already being taken good care of by very rich Russian or Ukrainian guys.

You should have come here 10 years ago, back then it was possible but Ukrainian girls learnt very fast the value of what they were sitting on.

Borat,

Ukraine is a strange place where the normal rules of economics such as supply and demand simply do not exist. Folks here, and that includes the working girls of all types and persuasions, from amateur to pro, have their own price and work structures. The best that I can figure it is "I will charge what I want to charge SINCE I AM MORE THAN WORTH IT AND YOU ARE TOTALLY UNWORTHY OF THIS MIND AND BODY and if you don't pay, go away. There will always be another asshole who will come along sooner rather than later and he will pay what I want to charge."

That is why you will get a better deal at an FKK and not at RP or any other place here. If spending as little as possible is your goal, stay in Berlin. Lots of talent there and prices are right.

If you want to sample candy land here, just be prepared to pay if you want stunners. And pay, and pay. $150 is realistic even with pros for two hours but after that more money for more time. if you want to pay less, you will need to negotiate an all night rate ($300 is reasonable and you can find all-day services at this price but you need time and energy for this) and if it doesn't quite work out after 3 hours, kick her out and you still win.

Bargains will be had but you have to work at it and really prepare the ground work and even then it will mostly fall apart.

As for local ladies and English, we have had this discussion numerous times. Suffice it to say, the ones who WILL speak English and somewhat reasonably well will also charge the most. It is a "chargeable extra" as a part of their services.

You can just walk past everyone to the curb, either flag down a taxi or take one at the curb. I never have a problem going back for 30uah - with the exchange rate making it $4 I really have no problem with that.

I've done you one better. A girl my friend was taking home dropped me off in her car at my place in Maidan, then they continue back to his place. Some of the girls have done very well at RP buying a car and an apartment. Others like MT and Wiska, not so much.

[QUOTE=Curious12] I never took a taxi to RP. Always a subway. On your way back also do not take taxi waiting near the door. They will charge too much. Twice I left in the girl's car, and many times I just called a taxi service. Any girl would know several numbers for different taxi companies.[/QUOTE]

Borat, I try to keep the girls between $100-150 for RP and semi pro club girls and $80 for the apartment girls. Last time I was in Kyiv I didn't spend more then $100 for a girl, it was a combination of a lot of experience, luck and the economy. I only made it to RP once, I wanted to try the 'crisis' model out there. But I was only there for 20 minutes when a freebie called me up offering herself and her friend (we had talked about it earlier over drinks). Even tho she was average for a Ukrainian girl and her friend turned out to be too, it was just too good to pass up. But there was quite an impressive array of talent that night at RP. I think it was a thursday night. If you go to Shooters be sure to say hello to ISG's own Irish Lad. :)

T, you don't have to go back 10 years for $150/night pricing for 8+ girls. It was like that right up until spring 2005. 10 years ago it was $50-100 or the price of an upscale meal in the West at the time. Yummy.

[quote=sponsor74]i have been advised by locals not to use the tunnel there in the metro station in the night, theft criminals etc, who can give more information?[/quote]

the metro is safe anywhere at anytime in the stations and after you got in the ticket/platic coin check. single ride 1.70 grivnas, let's say roughly 20 € cents.

in central kiev, k. area, bessabki etc the passage also ouside the tickeded area are usally very safe.

at dnipro station (the rp one) there is a walking bridge, the problem is that usually (may be with tipping of taxi men) the passage is closed at the rp side. you should walk through the naberezhne shosse, possible but takes a lot of care. mind that this is a different city. a speed of 100 km/h in the evening or night is absloutely normal. because there should be no pedestrians there! take care.

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What a wonderful, unique, exciting and infuriating city Kiev is.

I'm no stranger to the place, but I did a few things this time round that I haven't done before. First off, I wasn't there for anything work related, it was all pleasure, and I was there on my own staying in an apartment.

So it's my first day in Kiev, the sun is shining, the girls are wearing very little and I couldn't be happier with myself. Then some poor guy drops a wad of cash whilst walking in front of me. Does anyone not know where this is going?

The funny thing is, I know about this scam, I've quietly scoffed at others who've been taken. Anyway, before I can stop myself, I've picked up the money and tapped the guy on the shoulder. He asks where the other one is, the 'cop' shows up. I suddenly twig, and quite literally slap my own forehead, says Poka and walk off at a brisk pace expecting a hand on the shoulder any moment. From the safety of the next bar I stopped in, I had a good chuckle at my own expense. Good luck to them but I'm glad I got away with it.

Now for the girls. I've travelled enough to know that if you want good conversation, pick up an aussie girl, if you want a girl to nag you to death, go English and if you want a woman to shag you into the ground, ukrainians can't be beat. Feel free to argue.

First up. Lena (who I met at Rio). I can speak a little Russian and after a fairly long chat and a dance or two I was taken aback when she took my phone and left her number. Not sure if it's the done thing, but she arrived at midday the next day and she looked fabulous. Couldn't be older that 21, pretty, not slim but not chubby and even a little shy. $100 and she stayed a far longer than the hour. 8/10 and I left her a good tip. She asked if I wanted to see her again but she was only available after work, and I wasn't that keen on having her arrive at 3am having been dribbled over by 10 guys, but that's me.

That evening I hooked up with a girl I got chatting to via Mamba. Ru (Viktoriya). Her photos were phenomenal but she was a little more plain in the flesh. Still we had a nice dinner and a stroll through Podol. We ended up back at mine, and after a little too much johnny walker she showed me what she could do. I cooked her breakfast, promised to call and she left. Unfortunately I was like a dog with two bones and didn't want to repeat with the same girl if I could avoid it.

My last day I arranged for another girl from Mamba to drop by on a P2P basis (Irina). Photos looked delicious, but she turned up looking like she'd eaten the girl in the pictures! I should have sent her away, but I felt bad and wanted to give her a chance to win me over (or for the the whisky to kick in! ), it worked. Although she smoked like a chimney and drank like a fish she was actually great company and towards the end of the hour she stared making moves towards the bedroom. My god that girl could suck for Ukraine. She ended up staying the night and instead of the $100, I have her $200 because, damn, she earned it. I'm not proud of it but I have a new found respect for chubby girls.

So to recap:

Girl 1 - Looks 8, body 7, fun 8, cost $130

Girl 2 - Looks 6, body 6, fun 7, cost Dinner (probably close to $100)

Girl 3 - Looks 5, body 3, fun 8, $200

PS: any of you guys pass through Dubai, drop me a line and i'll give you the low-down on venues and prices.

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Dice, Borat's questions were on about the same level as the question you ask a few days ago about where to stash one of your GF's. And to be nice, I'll answer it for you. You really don't need to leave town. Keep one girl on the left bank and one on the right.[/QUOTE]Cruiser,

My question I asked was not regarding kiev but where to go other than kiev, no need to get shirty, I see you normally like a bit frisk, so I'll just say mind your own business, borats cool, I know him well and it was a wind-up. As regards keeping one on the left bank and one on the right, in a city the size of kiev thats not good advice.

Yeah Dice, I barely know anything about Kyiv. I'd ignore my advice too.

Cruiser, its not a case of what you know or don't know, I'm not doubting your knowledge of kiev, I'm just saying your advice is iffy, anyhow as I see it you like the last word so, over to you.

My regular girl wants to do a 3some with another guy or possibly a 4some with 2 couples. Anybody interested,PM me.

Wonder if anyone ever seen any mountain bike hire in Kiev?

If so can anyone pm me details/phone number.

Thanks

[QUOTE=TheGuyFromNY]My regular girl wants to do a 3some with another guy or possibly a 4some with 2 couples. Anybody interested,PM me.[/QUOTE]

If you mean in the NY area, I'm game. :)