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[QUOTE=FilthyBeaver;2885607]With a massive currency deval recently seems like it'd be an excellent place for a monger of any kind.[/QUOTE]I have done Buenos Aires Seeking three times. All were great. It's not cheap $200-300. But OMG very hot girls and good English.
[QUOTE=Jbob084;2884772]Also based in a Northern Uni town, and whilst on paper and in theory, the situation you describe should exist, and it should be a land of milk and honey, that has not been my experience, for me at least.[/QUOTE]I am originally from a south European country and working here, great to see another northern UK based fellow here!
[QUOTE]Most active profiles I see here are older pro types and single "council estate" mums. The girl next door, student types seem to not log on very often, and almost always have delusional expectations of 'online' relationships and sending nudes for cash. I have had plenty of successful experiences on Seeking in other countries, but that has been my experience in trying with the student types in northern towns. I do think it's also down to a more puritanical view of sex for money in the UK, as compared to Latinas or Eastern Europeans.[/QUOTE]The Seeking website has gone really bad through the years, both for SDs and for SBs.
As with every other location, a new generation of pros and semi-pros have found sugaring to be just another way to do the sex work. On top of that, platonic, online-only, and platonic online-only girls have watched too much TikTok videos made by prostitutes claiming girls can take out money from unsuspecting men on sugaring websites by just talking to them and sending them nude photos. This makes it very difficult and frustrating for men to find quality girls.
On the other hand, a gigantic army of hard-core mongers have been looking at sugaring just as a way to have one night stands, and this has naturally affected the nature and the quality of the girls. Finding a "real sugar daddy" is impossibly hard for these girls. Hence they have adjusted their expectations to match what the majority of men want on SA: point and shoot quickies.
But the concept of sugaring goes beyond contacting a girl for only sex. The notion of a mature man who is offering to financially and emotionally support a young girl in exchange for companionship and intimacy is very assuring for both of them, specially for the girl. There needs to be a special connection between them, just like a romantic relationship. That is the reason I believe limiting yourself to SA is not enough.
[QUOTE]The other methods you describe sound quite interesting, however I do feel like in a society like the UK, things can go a bit awry and one can be exposed as a very creepy type at the least, and much worse, as compared to Seeking where it's a proper platform for such and girls on there know what they're signing up for in a sense.[/QUOTE]I do understand what you are saying, but there is a large percentage of girls that are attracted to older men without being exposed to the concept of sugar dating. Many girls find it self-approving and pleasant to be approached by older men. You might spark the same feeling in them as their uncle or dad. So just the fact that a girl is not on SA does not mean she would not be open to go on a dinner date with you. And honestly that is all I am looking for. I go as fast as a turtle because you need to cultivate the idea of sugaring in their brain and it takes some time.
If you look at sugaring as a type of relationship with a rare gem you have found, every moment of our day will be a hunting ground for finding such a treasure! But there is no need to get creepy. You can feel a girl's aurora from miles away. If I see they are not interested, I will never press on.
[QUOTE]Just my thoughts, but curious to hear some discussion and feedback on this.[/QUOTE]Yeah me too! It's very interesting to hear your experience and I can understand where you came from.
[QUOTE]With the few experiences that I have had though, British SB's in the northern towns seem way too casual about barebacking, condom usage doesn't seem to exist, which puts me off a bit and makes me suss the girl out more before proceeding.[/QUOTE]True, it's similar to the Philippines. I always use condom until I know the girl enough to decide otherwise.
I recently noticed that although I am selective in girls I reach out to, I notice that if the girl has a picture reading a book, I inevitably reach out. Funnily, my top 3 SBs (my favorites all time) all have such a pic. Weird I picked myself on this pattern just now. Maybe, I have a book fetish.
On the contrary, I see myself not reaching out if the girls have only selfies. And a definite no even if one of that pic is in a toilet / washroom and no effort to crop it out.
I am not discriminatory at all. I am friendly to all communities although my sexual preferences are typically white / Caucasians.
Of late, I have this lady chatting me up. She is super nice, friendly, and we have an organic chat going on. She is a transwoman.
I have never been in that kind of dynamic before. Dragging my feet on meeting her.
What are your thoughts / tips? Should I meet? If I do, should I keep it a dinner only or take her to room?
My worst fear is that I am treading into unknown and I don't want to do something stupid that I end up offending a nice person. If nothing, she and I can be friends, I guess.
[QUOTE=Gfefan;2886961]I am not discriminatory at all. I am friendly to all communities although my sexual preferences are typically white / Caucasians.
Of late, I have this lady chatting me up. She is super nice, friendly, and we have an organic chat going on. She is a transwoman.
I have never been in that kind of dynamic before. Dragging my feet on meeting her.
What are your thoughts / tips? Should I meet? If I do, should I keep it a dinner only or take her to room?
My worst fear is that I am treading into unknown and I don't want to do something stupid that I end up offending a nice person. If nothing, she and I can be friends, I guess.[/QUOTE]FYI there is an ISG prohibition about discussing trans people. I can't recall the specifics but I've seen reports pulled as a result.
That said my concern would be setting the wrong expectations. If your OK going with a pre op — that's cool no judgment. But I don't think I would move to dinner etc unless you are. It's just going to be an expectations mismatch. So I'the say unless you are comfortable having sex w this person then cut it back to platonic clearly ASAP. So as to not disappoint them.
I was chatting w Blue Moon and he almost always discusses amount of time they will spend together. Like gets a different price for 4-5 hours vs overnight. Obviously in Bangkok or the like there is the ST or LT thing. But with Seeking I never discuss amount of time (we'll I prob have 5-10% if the time). Personally I love this. It's prob less than 50% of the time but def more than 10% that a girl chooses to stay over. And of course it's the same $300-500 or whatever regardless.
I find that soooo satisfying. To know that she's there because she wants to be — not because I'm paying her. What about you? You discuss hours? Evening vs overnight? What's your normal modus operandi?
SA / Seeking was great 5-10 years ago, I got laid so much and often for free. Especially in London. It is now horrible, scammer and a mix of frustrated sb's and escorts.
Glambu I used extensively in south america over the past 12 months, especially in Argentina. And now the app appears to have shut down.
I wonder what is next big thing.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2885962]I have done Buenos Aires Seeking three times. All were great. It's not cheap $200-300. But OMG very hot girls and good English.[/QUOTE]I have had good luck with Seeking in San Jose Costa Rica and in Mexico City. Did you feel safe and secure with them? How much time did you spend with them? Did you take them for a meal to check them out or just meet at your hotel?
I never haggle over the price. Their price is their price for who knows what reason. What I will do is say I want x amount if time (generally a min of overnight if not days) for that price. I don't see clock watchers, they're basically prostitutes or prostitutes who have convinced themselves they're not prostitutes. There are much easier ways to find them than using seeking. Of course to do this I need to be reasonably sure she'll keep my attention for that long and to some extent vice versa. Basically there needs to be some common chemistry that's why I try to have a conversation before we even discuss money. It's very time consuming but it works for me. Every girl I've ever negotiated a long meeting (overnight or multi-day) has been a success in my eyes, except one. Last thing I want is someone I'm uncomfortable with and same for them. I can't perform if we're not on the same page anyway so I see no reason to ask for a time guarantee. If they like you they'll stick around, if not they'll bolt. Why would I want to keep an unhappy girl around?
You are absolutely correct knowing they're there because they want to be and not because they're expected or compensated to be is the holy grail of this form of mongering. And for the record I have had multi-day and several overnights with girls who didn't speak english and I spoke little to none of their language. I'm talking about soapy girls in Bangkok & strippers in Eastern Europe. Very rarely was money even discussed once they agreed to see me outside of work I just gave them what I felt like and never had any of them complain.
I consider myself generous (in some eyes I'm probably a chump) and I do try to do fun things with them outside of the bedroom and that really helps to disarm them. Think plays, comedy shows, multi-course tasting menus, guided walking tours, etc. Basically anything that makes both of us not focused on the fact that there's money involved. That has worked wonders.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2887028]I was chatting w Blue Moon and he almost always discusses amount of time they will spend together. Like gets a different price for 4-5 hours vs overnight. Obviously in Bangkok or the like there is the ST or LT thing. But with Seeking I never discuss amount of time (we'll I prob have 5-10% if the time). Personally I love this. It's prob less than 50% of the time but def more than 10% that a girl chooses to stay over. And of course it's the same $300-500 or whatever regardless.
I find that soooo satisfying. To know that she's there because she wants to be not because I'm paying her. What about you? You discuss hours? Evening vs overnight? What's your normal modus operandi?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Buksida;2887034]I have had good luck with Seeking in San Jose Costa Rica and in Mexico City. Did you feel safe and secure with them? How much time did you spend with them? Did you take them for a meal to check them out or just meet at your hotel?[/QUOTE]Yes totally safe. Baires is a wonderful city and these were what we go to seeking for nice regular girls making a buck on the side. No issues.
They were all dinner and a walk and head to room. I am always a dinner to room guy with very rare exceptions regardless of country.
Two were prob 3-4 hr dates and one was three days. Of course it started out as a 3-4 hr date. 😋
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2887214]Yes totally safe. Baires is a wonderful city and these were what we go to seeking for nice regular girls making a buck on the side. No issues.
They were all dinner and a walk and head to room. I am always a dinner to room guy with very rare exceptions regardless of country.
Two were prob 3-4 hr dates and one was three days. Of course it started out as a 3-4 hr date. 😋[/QUOTE]We're very similar there. THough I usually require / insist the date go till morning so that there's an early am bang also and I start my day off right. You ever do that?
[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2887556]We're very similar there. THough I usually require / insist the date go till morning so that there's an early am bang also and I start my day off right. You ever do that?[/QUOTE]Early morning bang has never really been my thing. I get horniest when drunk and have a custom made set of beer goggles. 😜 Morning my sex interest is low. But I think I am quite a bit older than you. I do just enjoy having a PYT to snuggle and then have breakfast with and bang the next nights.
And nothing worse than morning breath
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2887960]Early morning bang has never really been my thing. I get horniest when drunk and have a custom made set of beer goggles. 😜 Morning my sex interest is low. But I think I am quite a bit older than you. I do just enjoy having a PYT to snuggle and then have breakfast with and bang the next nights.[/QUOTE]
I was really reluctant to try and use Seeking again. But seeing as I didn't have any luck on Tinder, the last thing I wanted to do is walk the streets looking for a girl, or go to a brothel.
So, I would up communicating on the site with about 30 women who were in the DR, which was my destination. Then I got contacted by various other girls from different countries, maybe nearly as many as from the DR.
Of the 30 from the site who were in my applicable area, I probably moved the communication from the site to Whatsapp with about 10 to 15 of them. Of those 10 to 15, I was eventually able to narrow it down to about 5. And I only wound up seeing 1 of the 5, mainly because the other ones just weren't offering what I wanted, either looks wise, price wise, or initial meeting preference.
She's nearly 20 years younger than me, and has a very strong work ethic. Highly motivated to make a good life for herself. Also, had absolutely no problem spending extra time with me, without asking for additional compensation. It was a very informal arrangement. But also she very much appreciated me and what I was doing for her. I would describe her as bubbly, humorous, and playful. She's still chatting with me now, and is not asking for money. I certainly have no plans on a long term commitment with anyone, be it this girl, or anyone else. But, this experience at least shows me the potential is out there. But, at the same time it took me almost 3 week of incessantly taking to various women, and paying for a membership that costs more than the price of the most expensive sex worker from Sosua or Chiviricas, just to be able to find 1 person. It's like comparing shooting fish in a barrel, to deep sea fishing. Hell, if you go out into the middle of the ocean, there's no guarantee you're going to catch anything at all. You could spend hours out there, all for naught.
From browsing around the site though, it does seem like it might very well be the best option for Puerto Rico. Got lots of messages from Colombia, and I strongly suspect many are from either fake profiles looking for online cash, or predatory women.
Met up with a girl recently but the arrangement stuff never came up. I took her out to a bar and then decent restaurant which she enjoyed, then back to mine. I even went bare with her. I already made plans with her again this week. When we were back at mine I was slightly worried about a scam but she seemed genuine and scammers don't usually sit through 3 hours of eating and drinking.
I've had one experience where arrangement stuff didn't come up before but I brought it up when I was taking her home the first time. Now I'm wondering if that was a mistake. That girl later told me she blew the first guy from sa for free hah.
Any tips for how to handle it? I don't want to inflate my ego and think I showed her such a good time she's ok with it, but at the same time maybe she's good with getting taken out?
How do I bring up testing / bc? I usually don't but we were somewhere I didn't have a condom at the time. Do you trust them enough to CIP?
Due to a couple factors, sex wasn't that great. Thinking back I usually don't enjoy sex on first dates that much, probably because I don't know what to expect or I'm worried about a scam. Any tips there? Meet and greet first LOL?