Angeles City

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]In A.Santos? I always thought it's BJ or FS, up to you, for the 700 .. at least, that's how it worked for me when I was there ;-)[/QUOTE]It probably is for all I know...they all were only saying BJ's and that was my preference anyway. The one I was with also said I had her for 2 hours, so multijism's might be part of the bargain (???), though she sincerely "acted" like she wanted a boom-boom.

One thing I sorely missed out on was to give a jab at "BJ" Row, which I know I walked by on a long walk down Field's or Perimeter...I had a few at the VFW and was told BJ Row was before it, but I did not see any signs telling me to "Go Here For BJ" (???)

Man, I love the Archipelago and its girls!

[QUOTE=Pete Benetar]It probably is for all I know...they all were only saying BJ's and that was my preference anyway. The one I was with also said I had her for 2 hours, so multijism's might be part of the bargain (???), though she sincerely "acted" like she wanted a boom-boom.

One thing I sorely missed out on was to give a jab at "BJ" Row, which I know I walked by on a long walk down Field's or Perimeter...I had a few at the VFW and was told BJ Row was before it, but I did not see any signs telling me to "Go Here For BJ" (???)

Man, I love the Archipelago and its girls![/QUOTE]A.Santos is "Blow Road" ... why do you think they were all screaming out Bj's.

[quote=thatguy865]there are girls who have been conned into working in bars in ac. some mamasans will tell the girls they will be waitresses,

once in ac the girl feels obligated, because she cannot make enough money to live and send money back home, so she starts doing bf's.

when you think about it, the families are depending on them, the girl doesn't want to go back to a life of hunger and the other girls are telling her bar fines are not that bad because they do it.

its not sex slavery but some are slowly coherced into selling sex. and yes some do come not knowing what ac is about. you have to remember a lot of these girls come from remote small villages mostly from the southern islands with no outside communication except in their communities.

most of the girls who go back, play innocent and don't tell what they truely did in ac unless they were lucky enough to land a sponsor and most still say they were waitresses and do not mention bf's.[/quote]

not that i outrightly disagree with all you've said, i can't rightly agree with the concept of being conned. a huge majority of the girls come from mindanao, samar and leyete. having been a frequent visitor to all, the girls know exactly what ac is all about, as they do with what occurs in manila. most girls come with a friend or relative, who is already working in ac, if you visit one of these provinces, you will find bar girls all over, back on vacation with their families, so the girl you suggest would have to be dumb as nails not to have heard of ac. of course i speak of girls who are 18 or older, know nothing about bringing **** girls here, if that exists. you also assume their parents have never heard of angeles, although most choose to ignore what it means if their daughter is working there. thus the fiction of being a waitress.

in regards to the concept of economic slavery, most bars have stay-in houses, the cost of which is about 100 to 200 peso per week, at the high end, about one day's salary at most bars. food costs are about 40 to 80 peso per meal for the girl. now the girl may feel she is not making enough money, but salary alone would more than take care of her basic living, not counting ladies drinks.

where i can find common ground is that girls come from the provinces with a niave perspective of what they will end up doing. the know what angeles is, but their first expectation is that they will find mr. right. what they don't realize is that even mr. right is not going to be right unless he first samples the wares. potential mr. right after mr. right cons the girl for that sample until she no longer selects on that basis. also, after one or two disappointments, the money does kick in and these girls get the same sad stories from home that so many on this forum have heard before. someone died, sick, blah, blah, blah, send money.

there are girls in this town, "professional cherry girls", who do not go out for sex, make their money from ladies drinks and salary and if they are pretty enough may eventually find the right guy. its not a total fiction that a girl can come to angeles, keep her virginity, and end up happily married to a good guy.

and as a final perspective, i don't know one girl who works in a bar, who has not seen the bar before working. it would seem pretty hard to con the girl into the bar being anything but what it is, when she walks in to see 50 girls in bikini's and waitress dresses and old men sucking an 18 year old's face in the corner. she may be shy, maybe a little niave, but it is obvious to any girl. as far as other work, there are tons of restaurants, hotels and shops that hire girls, maybe not as much money as the bars, but plenty of opportunities. try to find a simple housekeeper here, then you know there are no lack of jobs for someone willing to work.

but a nice story, does it make the sex better, or did some bar girl tell it to you. ha ha ha

I find myself in Angeles with a week to go before my international flight out and finding it not exactly to my taste.*

Suggestions? Flights to Boracay are pricey and the timetables don't fit. I've heard there are some nice places north of Subic Bay but might be a hassle to find for a newbie. I was going to do Pintaburu until I saw some facebook pics - which suggests it is more of a theme park day out than a challenging adventure.

I had a good time in Manila, but was feeling reluctant to return, especially just for a few days before flying out of Clark. Yet it is more varied and many excursions start from there. Plus it is possible to get an honest Filipino GFE experience with a bit of effort rather than the Americanised stuff up here.


*AC reminds me of a US/AU colony, with herds of fairly expressionless Filipino ladies rounded up into corrals for the viewing etc pleasure of those who would otherwise nurse a glass of alcohol all night. As a monger theme park it is worth a look - in retrospect I would have given it a quick look on the way out of Clark to Manila just so I didn't feel I was missing anything, and no more. But to make so much effort for so little . . .

So now, how to get out to somewhere a bit more real than a westernised ex-barracks knock shop and a bit more discerning than McDonalds. Suggestions?

[QUOTE=Christopherd]So now, how to get out to somewhere a bit more real than a westernised ex-barracks knock shop and a bit more discerning than McDonalds. Suggestions?[/QUOTE]
Why not find out what Cebuana hospitality is all about and fly down to Cebu!? CP flies direct from Clark three times a week. You can hang at a beach by day and enjoy some good nightlife at night!

PS....Don't kid yourself about the volcano as it's no walk in the park. Several tourists died up there a few months back.

Well Election time is here mates! Word is Casi Cielo was raided yesterday. For those that not know where it is, its located behind Orchid Inn off Raymond Street. I had just got back to Sydney and my friend contacted me of events there. To bad cause I had met "Baby" there and she was a true beauty.

From what I am told several vans pulled up with plain clothes NBI and close bar down and escorted the ladies out. My sourse says a former worker reported the bar as not having proper papers for workers and alledged some were or may have been not of age.

We can expect more raids like this considering elections are less than 3 months away and the politicians want to put on show. Would love to hear if anyone saw the raids. Take care mates.

There website of Casi Cielo is now down but I have pic of Baby before site went down. Very beautiful lady. Very shy but willing to please.

Hello.

I need imformation, about what is going on in Casi Cielo in Raymond St.

I heard it was raid. Who can tell more?

Erik67

I think there is some truth a little in what everyone one has said. Different girls have different reality to how they got to Angeles. I tend to beleave most of the girls families know that there daughters are working in the bar but tend to ignore the fact they do on basis of survival and whats needed to support there family.

Some of the "newer girls" tell there family they have a job waitressing or working as Chambermaid in Hotel. Others say they got call center job in Manila. I do agree that some work here secretly without there families and villages knowing and eventually return as looking good and innocent.

I will say the majority had a "Mom", Auntie, cousin, sister, or friend who work in bar and girl started working there. Yes many looking for foreign husband but some are well off with what they do.

I have friend I known for 2 years. She work in Champayne Bar. Very young looking and quite the spinner. She has bought a house for her parents, fully furnished and computers, electronics and 2 motor bikes and 1 car along with a large Sari Sari Store back in Province of Semar. Thanks to all us willing participants that routinely enjoy her comforts.

Some of these girls are very business minded and do so with this in mind. I suppose wise on there part if they invest it right. Others just seem to always struggle and never have a goal. Living day to day for that next P1300 barfine which P500 cut they get from there BF and maybe a tip if they are lucky. Most get trapped in the system. Others make money and get out. The truely lucky ones do meet nice guys and get married, Odds are against them on that but high enough where girls keep coming hoping for that dream.

[quote=mugroso]give us a link to this blog. i would like to see this for myself and confront directly.

thx
mugroso[/quote]

there aree a few listed in a google search. many of them quote the same bs we've heard for years.

i.e. (quote from one from a report in 1997) of 500 prostitutes in angeles city, 75% are children. (sol. f. juvida, "philippines - children: scourge of child prostitution," ips, 12 october 1997) (chris: this is wrong according to a barowner there; there are now 2500-3000 girls in foreiger-oriented bars, with about 2/3 under 18.

whether or not by choice, men on sex tours inevitably buy **** girls. (new south wales legislator meredith burgmann, "aussie sex tours still flourishing,"


66%? rofl

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]... Some mamasans will tell the girls they will be waitresses...

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Fine, but I am wondering what exactly is the difference between a waitress and a dancer, except that waitresses wear more sexy clothes? :) BTW, my barfine ratio is about 75% waitresses and 25% dancers. :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

I like to speak at least some of the language before I go somewhere. How prevalent and proficient is English in AC? How about Tagalog? Are most of the girls locals that prefer to speak Pampangan? What about the other locals (hotles, taxis, etc)?

[QUOTE=Edward M]I like to speak at least some of the language before I go somewhere. How prevalent and proficient is English in AC? How about Tagalog? Are most of the girls locals that prefer to speak Pampangan? What about the other locals (hotles, taxis, etc)?[/QUOTE]Everyone speaks pretty good english, I had no problems communicating with anyone there. The girls will speak Tagalog, here is a website (if needed) to help you learn some. [url]http://tagaloglang.com/[/url]

Most of the girls are from the Southern Phils, places like Leyte and Samar. They each have their own dialect so it's hard to tell. English is more than adequate, especially if you throw in a few words of tagalog.

Gonzo

@Edward M - when I was there, Tagalog was fine as it's the lingua franca of the P.I.. I don't know Pampangan and I'm pretty sure no-one else here does either but English should suffice also for that matter.

[QUOTE=Edward M]I like to speak at least some of the language before I go somewhere. How prevalent and proficient is English in AC? How about Tagalog? Are most of the girls locals that prefer to speak Pampangan? What about the other locals (hotles, taxis, etc)?[/QUOTE]

In my experience, you should be fine anywhere on English alone. Obviously, the locals prefer to speak Kapampangan or Filipino to each other. I would assume that your efforts to do so would be much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Jack Sheet]Well I do. Last year I bar fined a lady who's Mom told her they were just going on a trip but then dropped her off at the bar and returned home. It just so happens that the Mom had worked at the same bar years earlier and decided it was time the daughter started pulling her weight. I communicate with her sometimes via YM and she's still working there and still waiting for Mr. Right or Mr. He'll Do.[/QUOTE]

Ah, that is a different subject, she is not looking for Mr. Right, she is looking for her father. ha ha I met up with a guy a short time ago who had been living here for 25 years. He says he has f..ked many of the girls grandmothers, mothers and now them. A man of generations.