Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2716917]Since the resumption of activity in Pattaya, I thought I saw more Thai women who speak very little or no English at all than before the covid in places for farangs.

The ones I saw in this case are young (20,21, 22....), very cute[/QUOTE]Is there a specific area or venue where you saw them?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2717168]A buddy was walking down Pattaya Klang on Monday going to the bank. He passed a soi dog. The dog came up behind him and bit him on the back of his leg. Good thing he always wears pants and socks and shoes. The bite did not break his skin. I would have been a gonner, always wearing shorts and sandals. He went to the doctor and they gave him 2 rabies shots. He has to go for a series of them for the next few weeks.[/QUOTE]You just never know?

Years ago when I was still cycling I would roam the Darkside, Sattahip, and Chon Buri, rides would average 45-60 KM, there were always dogs but I acted like they didn't exist just keep going pedaling. They have their territories but after a while just turn back there were times I hit the same route they wouldn't even bother. It is something dogs don't like that sparks them off? I use to make an annual ride before Hwy 7, was finished to Bangkok, took the same route as the Bus from Pattaya to Ekamai started in the early morning before dawn. I encounter plenty of dogs but never has one even come close to bitting me.

Outside my house surrounding small Soi at least 50 dogs spread throughout, one ugly mean sucker always slept under my renter's car he feed it so it would watch his car but he never looks or gave me a second look. After years, one day I was just walking past the car he jump out and bit the back of my leg as soon as it happened I knew broke the skin. The way he look I knew he never has had his shots being mad I went into the house and got my samurai sword it saw me coming and out into the empty field. The Thai neighbor drunks and potheads who sit out every day drinking and smoking look at me like why get mad " This is Thailand "? I went to the clinic got it cleaned went through the shots total cost was around 3000 baht. Months later the dog went into its rabies tantrum and bit a few kids and even one of the guys who thought it was funny when it happened to me. I pulled out a chair and watch the soap opera in the end I got the last laugh as for the dog they finally cornered it bye!

Two years down the road, due to the pandemic, the park near my house closed so I started to do my 3 K run on the road, the same road for the last year but I carry a pipe modified with a blade on the tip. The run is full of dogs but their bark has always as they say bigger than their bite. Like my cycling, they see bark and follow then turn around. I never stop, turn or even pay attention but this one house I pass every day has around 5 dogs days they come out some days don't but regardless just before I approach I slow down and just keep walking at a regular pace as if they weren't even there as always they turn back. But two months ago, as I was walking by saying Hello, to the Thai guard at the resort casino as always they came out barking did my normal stuff but after a few seconds I sense it and maybe the dog sensed it too, and then it happened bit me the back of the legs before I even look at the bite I swung the pipe around and just missed the head of the dog they all took off like a bat out of hell. I went to the house and called out for someone the brother of the owners came out and I told him what had happened with a few witnesses he said it had happened before. The sister who owns all the dogs was on a two-day working trip I told him I'm going to the clinic in two days I'll be back and we can talk about reimbursement of my expenses. That evening I took my son to confirm some things two days later we went back the owner came out, to be honest, what a stunner even at my age I was getting a hard-on? While she was talking I was thinking who is the lucky farang for the last two days. While she was apologizing and pleading that I allow her to compensate for all my troubles all I was thinking ST / LT do you do it bareback and let her work it off but I was with my son. From the beginning all I wanted was the money back from the clinic luckily I had records from the last bite and shots so didn't need to go through the full shots series again. She told my son the last farang demanded 10,000 baht or the police and she paid it but my price was only 1000 baht the bill of the clinic and a chance to dream it up? LOL.

Today, I back in the park?

I'm in Pattaya, back from some misadventures in Cambodia and the Philippines- really wish I had just skipped all that tbh. Most likely it was Angeles City where I caught what I initially thought was Bacterial Conjunctivitis due to the extremely acute symptoms, but subsequent doctors have identified the malady as viral, probably an adenovirus- which would at least explain the duration (2 weeks of hell). The infection had complications, turning my immune system against my own eye, which caused a corneal abrasion in one eye that has resulted in blurry vision. The experience has been awful, to say the least. I am in no rush to return to Philippines after this.

Yesterday I visited the [B] Pattaya Bangkok Hospital[/B] on the advice of one of my lady friends and had an excellent experience. The facility is clean, expansive, up to all first world standards, and the staff and doctor were excellent, knowledgeable, and professional. My doctor calmed me and assured me the abrasion should likely heal within a week and was able to show me images on the monitor, etc. She also removed a protein membrane that had built up over the cornea and conjunctiva which was wild to see come out of my eye. Total damage for consult, removal and prescriptions was 3000 baht. I'm sure in a North American hospital it would've been at least 5 times this, and much more of a hassle. I was in and out like a breeze.

I was strictly ordered not to wear contact lenses, so for the next week or so I will be mongering with my coke bottle glasses, which is definitely a handicap, but then again it is low season so maybe it equals out. Nerds can be sexy too with enough baht.

Mostly I just wanted to post about my positive experience at [B]Bangkok Pattaya Hospital[/B] in case other guys are in need of medical attention.

RS.

I met these girls who don't speak English soi 6 and in some massage shops around soi Buakhao. Those who work in gogos manage to speak English enough to make themselves understood in the context of their work.

I didn't want to talk about nonverbal communication or first words of proper usage like Hello, thank you, goodbye. But at least a few words that allow you to get to know each other and build trust. Even more so if we go into negotiations for the rest of the events. And the mamasan, when there is one, can't be everywhere with the girls. Especially in the bedrooms. This phase can be easily misunderstood and can discourage girls who only speak Thai.

I never meant to say that all these girls were from Thai brothels (or I misspoke). But no doubt there are. Some of these young girls that I practiced had obvious experience and were not beginners. For others, more rarely, I was one of their first customers. They told me and it was visible. I reassure you (or I will disappoint you, it depends) they do not remain beginners very long.

There are quite a few closed places for which the covid has been fatal. In Walking street or soi 6, at first sight, maybe 20% to 30% of the places. But for those that are open (gogos, massage shops, bars,....), at the moment, with the post covid recovery, are recruiting and new girls arrive every day. I saw girls I knew from before covid. But there are many who come to Pattaya for the first time.

Still open!

It must be more than 20 ys.

In the past I remember dogs prowling jomtien.

The native trows stones to keep distance.

Now better a pepper spray.

Or you can kill the dogs.

The native don t dare for fear to kill a deceased parents that now is a dog.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2717306]I met these girls who don't speak English soi 6 and in some massage shops around soi Buakhao. Those who work in gogos manage to speak English enough to make themselves understood in the context of their work.

I didn't want to talk about nonverbal communication or first words of proper usage like Hello, thank you, goodbye. But at least a few words that allow you to get to know each other and build trust. Even more so if we go into negotiations for the rest of the events. And the mamasan, when there is one, can't be everywhere with the girls. Especially in the bedrooms. This phase can be easily misunderstood and can discourage girls who only speak Thai.

I never meant to say that all these girls were from Thai brothels (or I misspoke). But no doubt there are. Some of these young girls that I practiced had obvious experience and were not beginners. For others, more rarely, I was one of their first customers. They told me and it was visible. I reassure you (or I will disappoint you, it depends) they do not remain beginners very long.

There are quite a few closed places for which the covid has been fatal. In Walking street or soi 6, at first sight, maybe 20% to 30% of the places. But for those that are open (gogos, massage shops, bars,....), at the moment, with the post covid recovery, are recruiting and new girls arrive every day. I saw girls I knew from before covid. But there are many who come to Pattaya for the first time.[/QUOTE]Concerning sexual experience of the ladies, they have all had Thai boyfriends or husbands prior to coming to Pattaya. It only takes a few minutes instruction for them to learn how to deal with customers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2717166]Hollywood Disco is in Pattaya, not Bangkok. Google pics.[/QUOTE]Speaking of discotheques, my memory tells me that there was a Marine Disco in Pattaya going back quite a few years. Really big place that drew a late night crowd with loads of freelancers-almost like Help in Rio. I was surprised to see that it appears to be still around, albeit temporarily closed, so they say. Surprised because it doesn't seem to get any mentions on the forum, not that I've read, anyway.

I have been going every year to SEA since 2003, sometimes twice a year. This long standing trend was interrupted by Covid, but I was still lucky. I only missed 2021. I had last visited in January of 2020, well before they closed the borders on March 2020.

I did not know what to expect from this trip. From reading ISG, I was not expecting much, but I was pleasantly surprised. I managed to have a good time.

On this trip, my plan was to visit Singapore for 4 days, Bangkok 4 days, Pattaya for 5 days, then back to Singapore for 2 days before heading back home. Singapore was the least fun part of this trip, because Geylang was pretty much closed. I had a good time in Bangkok (see trip report).

I arrived in Pattaya on a Thursday afternoon, from Bangkok. It was hot and muggy in Pattaya. I checked in at LK Empress hotel, on Soi 12 & Beach Road. After some rest, I took a stroll on Beach Road around 5 pm. It was relatively quiet, but I kept walking up and down the beach after such a long absence. Eventually, I reached the Pattaya Beer Garden, at the entrance of Walking Street. It was starting to get dark and I was hungry. A fellow expat was joining me for dinner. We sat down, had a few drafts, ate dinner and started reminiscing about the past.

After we finished our dinner, we decided to take a stroll on walking street. The scene was subdued, to say the least. Many buildings were abandoned and left in ruin. They were redoing the pavement and they were halfway done. At this time of the year, it rains on a regular basis there. It had rained during the day, and the ground was soft, with a wet dirt. Hence, it was preferable to avoid walking on the street and the sidewalks were not wide enough to accommodate the large crowd. That was not much fun.

Some of the Gogo bars were open and the girls were outside, chanting the welcaam slogan. Actually, I would say most of the Gogo bars were open but not busy. After one tour, we decided to leave the area and went back to Beach road. Walked for a while and my buddy wanted to call it a night. He left and I continued on my own. As I got close to my hotel, I spotted a Free Lancer (FL) on the road. After some negotiations, I decided to take her to my hotel, 1 K bahts for ST. She was average at best.

The FL scene was very active, and started around sunset. I was helping myself every night with a different FL. The typical price asked was 1 K bahts.

I also checked during the day the body massage on Soi Honey, close to Soi Diana. I went there 3 times during my stay and I was very pleased with my selection, one repeat and 2 new girls.

I did not do any LT (long time) as I prefer to sleep alone these past few years.

In addition, my expat buddy and I checked out Tree Town and we were both impressed with the atmosphere. We ended up visiting that place every night. However, it was very crowded on Saturday night, but much less hectic on week days.

Overall, I had a good time in Pattaya, and I would encourage folks to go visit at this time. I plan to come back in the winter, January / February, for my usual once a year visit.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/adenovirus/about/symptoms.html[/URL]

Glad the hospital was to your liking. Unlike adenovirus, which interested me more. Scary stuff.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2717275]I'm in Pattaya...s Bacterial Conjunctivitis ... probably an adenovirus-
Mostly I just wanted to post about my positive experience at [B]Bangkok Pattaya Hospital[/B] in case other guys are in need of medical attention.

RS.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2717340]Concerning sexual experience of the ladies, they have all had Thai boyfriends or husbands prior to coming to Pattaya. It only takes a few minutes instruction for them to learn how to deal with customers.[/QUOTE]
There is a gap between theory and practice. And this difference can be seen in the situation.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2717275]Total damage for consult, removal and prescriptions was 3000 baht. I'm sure in a North American hospital it would've been at least 5 times this.[/QUOTE]1500 usd if your lucky 4500-6000 typical at least where I live I have the bills to prove it.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2717275]I'm in Pattaya, back from some misadventures in Cambodia and the Philippines- really wish I had just skipped all that tbh. Most likely it was Angeles City where I caught what I initially thought was Bacterial Conjunctivitis due to the extremely acute symptoms, but subsequent doctors have identified the malady as viral, probably an adenovirus- which would at least explain the duration (2 weeks of hell). The infection had complications, turning my immune system against my own eye, which caused a corneal abrasion in one eye that has resulted in blurry vision. The experience has been awful, to say the least. I am in no rush to return to Philippines after this.

Yesterday I visited the [B] Pattaya Bangkok Hospital[/B] on the advice of one of my lady friends and had an excellent experience. The facility is clean, expansive, up to all first world standards, and the staff and doctor were excellent, knowledgeable, and professional. My doctor calmed me and assured me the abrasion should likely heal within a week and was able to show me images on the monitor, etc. She also removed a protein membrane that had built up over the cornea and conjunctiva which was wild to see come out of my eye. Total damage for consult, removal and prescriptions was 3000 baht. I'm sure in a North American hospital it would've been at least 5 times this, and much more of a hassle. I was in and out like a breeze..[/QUOTE]It's ironic you mention this. Back in 2019 I was in Thailand (mainly Pattaya) and was quite sick (flu or cold I don't know). Eventually it worked it's way to my eye. By this time I was in Pnom Phen and was headed to Hanoi. By the time I got to Hanoi the eye was shut, blood red and full of goo. Went to an American clinic there and got the needed meds but the eye wasn't getting better so had to cut my trip and head back home. Haven't been back to SEA since, heading to Thailand in August. Hoping for better health luck, I seem to be sick the majority of the time I'm in SEA.

I went to Escape club tonight. Dozens of scantily clad ladies, and some Windmill style shows.

I'll let you guys get back to talking about Vietnam.

I've been laying low recovering from my conjunctivitis- good news is the infection has finally cleared, however blurry vision remains in one eye.

As for mongering, I've seen a provider I know from earlier this summer a couple times and took a hot, young spinner with nice fake tits from thaifriendly (wanted 1500 for condom but agreed to 2000 baht for BBFS, CIP), but my sex drive remains low due to generally being bummed about having vision loss (hopefully temporary) in one eye, and walking around with super thick glasses that aren't even really a good prescription for my eye that does work.

If not for my current situation I would say this is an ideal time to be in Pattaya- there are not a lot of punters around, but all the girls remain so it's a good ratio. Thaifriendly girls in particular seem eager to close deals. I think my activities will remain subdued until my health improves, but I feel like Pattaya has plenty to offer in the meantime- I enjoy going to the gym, cafes, walking on the beach, etc. After having just come from Angeles City and Phnom Penh I would say Pattaya is far superior to both in terms of mongering and also daily life activities, amenities and comfort. It's also incredibly cheap.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2717275]I'm in Pattaya, back from some misadventures in Cambodia and the Philippines- really wish I had just skipped all that tbh. Most likely it was Angeles City where I caught what I initially thought was Bacterial Conjunctivitis due to the extremely acute symptoms, but subsequent doctors have identified the malady as viral, probably an adenovirus- which would at least explain the duration (2 weeks of hell). The infection had complications, turning my immune system against my own eye, which caused a corneal abrasion in one eye that has resulted in blurry vision. The experience has been awful, to say the least. I am in no rush to return to Philippines after this.

Yesterday I visited the [B] Pattaya Bangkok Hospital[/B] on the advice of one of my lady friends and had an excellent experience. The facility is clean, expansive, up to all first world standards, and the staff and doctor were excellent, knowledgeable, and professional. My doctor calmed me and assured me the abrasion should likely heal within a week and was able to show me images on the monitor, etc. She also removed a protein membrane that had built up over the cornea and conjunctiva which was wild to see come out of my eye. Total damage for consult, removal and prescriptions was 3000 baht. I'm sure in a North American hospital it would've been at least 5 times this, and much more of a hassle. I was in and out like a breeze.

I was strictly ordered not to wear contact lenses, so for the next week or so I will be mongering with my coke bottle glasses, which is definitely a handicap, but then again it is low season so maybe it equals out. Nerds can be sexy too with enough baht.

Mostly I just wanted to post about my positive experience at [B]Bangkok Pattaya Hospital[/B] in case other guys are in need of medical attention.

RS.[/QUOTE]Certainly, the hospital is to impress but being 5-star looking doesn't mean you will get 5-star treatment. There is a Darkside to the medical system and treatment particularly here in Pattaya which I know and experience for over 15 years. When I visited for short trips like you and many your story is how it came across to me whenever I needed something " SMALL " and thank your lucky star that is all you need or get when visiting.

The small cost you experience here in the short term is what many leave raving about the cost comparing it to treatment and cost in the West. But I can tell you stories first hand that I have experience and experiences of other Expat first hand at Expat and sports clubs I've been associated that what you see on the surface isn't the true extent of the system here.

When I use the phrase " cookie-cutter " these are infections, STDs, accidents wounds or cuts, full physical examines to attract medical tourists, laser surgery, angioplasty heart procedures, knee replacement, and hip, these are as common here and push because it is simple like going into a dentist and getting your teeth clean.

Illusion? I have many family members who are Doctors who practice in different fields retired and current and biased but when it comes to medicine in West Thailand can't hold a candle for cost there are many things associated with high cost make no mistakes there are problems but they don't look at you like an ATM the way these hospitals when service goes beyond just an infection.

Just thank God infection is all you get or have aside from that if they ever arrive in an ambulance the ride alone will be 3000 baht, and if you need them to attach a finger emergency good luck! I know ex-pats who work at this hospital as liaisons and another on Soi 4, in town, both their daily morning briefing is how many test quotas they need to break even. The greatest worry for Expat like myself when you reach the age and point of no return is what to do if you really get sick and no matter how much one says it won't happen to me lying to yourself it will happen just like you are born and will die getting sick is what happens in the middle!

Stay safe everyone and hope you never need more than a bacteria cleaning!

I mentioned this before, but there is a disturbing trend among bars in Pattaya, they are having Thai men inside, in some cases, employing them.

There are some potential issues with having Thai men in Farang bars:

1) Thai ladies often feel embarrassed if they see Thai men, especially if the ladies are naked or playing with customers.

2) Some ladies will want to hook up with the Thai men after work. Once they are in a relationship, if they go with customers, the Thai man may react poorly.

3) Some Thai men are close enough to the police that can call the police about infractions, and get a cut of the resulting payoffs. Typically, when alerted to, as an example, illicit nudity, the police will raid the bar, and close it until they are paid.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2717867]Just thank God infection is all you get or have aside from that if they ever arrive in an ambulance the ride alone will be 3000 baht, and if you need them to attach a finger emergency good luck! I know ex-pats who work at this hospital as liaisons and another on Soi 4, in town, both their daily morning briefing is how many test quotas they need to break even.[/QUOTE]You are good for in and out, just hope you never have to stay there. When I had a foot injury in 2015 they tried to make me stay overnight. I remembered my friends saying if you ever have to stay it will cost $500/ day. I told them no thanks, I only live around the corner and can come back tomorrow. They got mad, but the bill was only 1000 baht.

Better luck if you are a Thai. A buddy's girl is just getting over cancer. He said when she was first diagnosed he had taken her to that hospital and had to pay 15,000 baht. When they found out the problem they started going to the government hospital in Sri Racha every week and they never had to pay anything.

I remember my best years at marine disco from 1995 for about ten years.

Only stairs to go up.

After the 1997 economic crises baht go down.

At the entrance in far left the ladyboy but after a while throws them away for making a lots of problem.

Was a real disco.

But after they but table and stalls and the disco finished.

Still exist lima lima disco near the nee pier??

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2717340]Concerning sexual experience of the ladies, they have all had Thai boyfriends or husbands prior to coming to Pattaya. It only takes a few minutes instruction for them to learn how to deal with customers.[/QUOTE]Just like in the western world, aside from truly enjoying sex I would say women who are best in bed have had a wide variety of BFs / long term hook ups thus they have learned a lot. Girls who are the worst probably have had 1 BF and thus they know that way and that's it. The typical backstory for a girl getting into the game is she got knocked up by her Thai BF when she was 15-18, he left her (obviously), and now she needs a way to support the child and her family taking care of the child. They do not have experience, and that's why they are such starfish when they start out.

Anyone know if / when pattaya-addicts is going to be back up?

Finally back in Pattaya after 4 years. First day in the city after a long travel so I was feeling too lazy to head out and instead checked through TF for someone to come to my room. Found a cute 25 why. O spinner who claimed she just arrived in Pattaya after staying in her hometown since covid started and long time no boom boom.

The way I fucked her or rather the way she fucked me, I certainly believe her LOL. She did a really good blowjob, deep and gagging just like I enjoy it and sex was great too. I didn't cum for a couple of weeks so couldn't hold it in that long but it was still worth the 1500 baht.

Gave her 2000 because she was just amazing. She had surgery done on her boobs earlier in the year she said and they looked great. I prefer natural but they were nice to squeeze too, weren't hard as I expected. I guess there is different kinds of implants? Asked about anal on LINE afterwards if I would meet her again but she said she only does anal if she have a boyfriend LOL.

Great start and looking forward for tomorrow already. I plan to stay a month this time.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2717870]I mentioned this before, but there is a disturbing trend among bars in Pattaya, they are having Thai men inside.....[/QUOTE]Possibly due to lack of tourists. Apparently, they need to make up for the shortfall.

[QUOTE=Dupont88;2717995]Still exist lima lima disco near the nee pier??[/QUOTE]No. There is an Indian disco there now. But nobody knows it exists because nobody wants to venture down the deserted part of the street between it and Soi 16.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2717996]Just like in the western world, aside from truly enjoying sex I would say women who are best in bed have had a wide variety of BFs / long term hook ups thus they have learned a lot.[/QUOTE]Not at all. Because a chef has cooked a lot of food, does not mean he will know 1. That I will order steak, 2. How I want the steak cook, 3. What side items I want. Having a lot of sex with other people does not mean someone that steps in the room with you is going to know how you like your sex. Seems like you think everyone's meaning of good in bed is the same.

Went to run some errands then decided to stop in to this massage shop on Pattaya Klang where a Thai Friendly chick I have been talking to a couple of days works. When I pulled up I did not see the girl and the lady who I found out later was the owner and the girl's cousin kept trying to talk me into a massage. I got off my bike and went inside.

There was my girl inside getting a foot massage. I sat around talking shit with the ladies then it started pouring down raining. Part of my shit talking was that I liked the shop owner. Finally decided to go up with my girl for a Thai massage. Not good at all. It was the same as one of those rip off deals you would get in America.

At the end she started asking how she could help me relax. I said by going to get your cousin up here. Long story short she wanted 1000 but as I have told this board time and time again 500 is the price. She said okay but pay the shop 200 too. I said of course. We took her clothes off and she got to sucking. She said do you have condom? I said do you have condom? She said no. Then she tried to climb on top but it would not fit. I laid her down to fuck her that way to get her wet then I let her climb on top again. Splash! Handed her 500 and went downstairs to pay the other 200. She said next time she would come stay with me overnight. Except it would be better if her cousin did it.

Last night was riding around and rode through Soi Post Office. I saw a chick that I like at a bar. I called her over to my bike. We talked a while and I asked what time she finished work. I told her to come over after the bar closes. We traded Lines.

She hit me up later asking the details. I said 1000. She said ST? I said LT. She said until what time. I said anytime tomorrow. She said 10 am. I said that is cool. She asked if I could give her more though because she has to give money to the bar. I said okay 1200. She woke me up at 9:30 am to take her back because it was her day to clean the bar.

Last night driving home to wait on her I rode through Soi Pothole I stopped at another bar and tried the same thing with another chick. A nosey ass lady that was listening in said you have to pay barfine. I am mamasan. I drove off.

The other morning I went to check on some stuff I am having made. I left there and passed a massage shop. Inside I saw a chick that I liked so I made a you-turn. The chick came outside to talk to me. I don't know what happened but she just left and went back inside like she was getting away from me.

I got off my bike and went inside. I told another lady who turns out is her sister that the chick just left me. I said I wanted her to give me a foot massage. At the end of the massage we traded whatsapp. This chick is Muslim and lives in Dubai with her father and is mixed Uzbek and Thai. She has not been to Thailand in 4 years and came to visit her family for a few weeks.

I wanted to see her when she got off that day but she was bullshitting around. I think it was the next day when she told me to come get her at midnight when the shop closed. She told her sister that we were going to the beach and she would be gone 2 hours.

I was about to take a ride to Jomtien but she said fuck that. She wanted to see Walking Street. I parked and we walked from one end to the other with me showing her everything. She was all over me like a girlfriend. Walking back we stopped in several discos so I could show her. Ibar, Myst, Republic. I was walking behind her in iBar and chicks kept pulling on me.

I was itching to go to the new Indian disco. It was hard and there were some fine ladies in there (matter of fact I think I will go there now), but she was like lets get out of here because there are too many Indian people. We went to 808 and that was her cup of tea. We both had soda water. We sat romancing until the 2 hours that she told her sister was up. She wanted us to take a picture but made me take it with my phone. She said her sister would be upset if she is at a disco. Didn't matter because at that point she realized she had left her phone in the shop anyway.

2 nights ago she decided that she would come sleep over without telling her sister anything. I picked her up from work and she immediately went and took a shower and washed that Arabic style makeup off. I said who the fuck are you. She tried to sleep in normal clothes but I said you are not getting in my bed with street clothes and gave her a t-shirt.

She was trying to play that role at first. Then she was like I will just make you finish. I do not want you to do anything to me. She used her hand and mouth. That did not work then we fell asleep. About 4 am she along with the freak in her woke up and it was game on! That pussy was so wet that I thought I was back in the Navy. She has gone to see family in Nakornnayok so I have breathing room. But every 5 minutes she writes that she misses me and wants hugs.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2718061]Went to run some errands then decided to stop in to this massage shop on Pattaya Klang where a Thai Friendly chick I have been talking to a couple of days works. When I pulled up I did not see the girl and the lady who I found out later was the owner and the girl's cousin kept trying to talk me into a massage. I got off my bike and went inside.

There was my girl inside getting a foot massage. I sat around talking shit with the ladies then it started pouring down raining. Part of my shit talking was that I liked the shop owner. Finally decided to go up with my girl for a Thai massage. Not good at all. It was the same as one of those rip off deals you would get in America.

At the end she started asking how she could help me relax. I said by going to get your cousin up here. Long story short she wanted 1000 but as I have told this board time and time again 500 is the price. She said okay but pay the shop 200 too. I said of course. We took her clothes off and she got to sucking. She said do you have condom? I said do you have condom? She said no. Then she tried to climb on top but it would not fit. I laid her down to fuck her that way to get her wet then I let her climb on top again. Splash! Handed her 500 and went downstairs to pay the other 200. She said next time she would come stay with me overnight. Except it would be better if her cousin did it.[/QUOTE]So correct me if I'm wrong, the 200 was to the house for the 'massage' and the 500 was to her for FS?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2718143]So correct me if I'm wrong, the 200 was to the house for the 'massage' and the 500 was to her for FS?[/QUOTE]I'll say it again. Don't get excited about the pricing this guy gets.

He get low Prices for a reason.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2718015]Anyone know if / when pattaya-addicts is going to be back up?[/QUOTE]Its up now.

I want share my last sex adventure here in fantastic Europe.

I take a phone appointment with my long time preferred *****.

At the time she SMS I m late.

I start strolling up down the alley.

A man maybe ten years more than me start staring at me.

After I learned is her private stalker.

Then came on a bicycle a young drug dealer to make something.

Start ringing at a bell and make the deal.

Also he staring at me I think was on a verge to ask me if I want some coke etc.

Then show up a old woman in their 80's that share the same building.

Stare at me.

I know that all building is on lease.

Then tell me we can't go in their apartment but in another.

A little shit hole but with three cats.

Two give a fuck to me another go hide under the bed.

So have to fuck with the cat underneath.

Then the routine pay 70€ wash also the armpits I don t remember now if she washed also.

Then go to bed maybe probably full of bacteria.

I have with me my flip flop I don't like walk with bare foot on sperma.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2718031]Possibly due to lack of tourists. Apparently, they need to make up for the shortfall.[/QUOTE]The Thai men in the large bars aren't customers, they work there. Serving drinks.

The other night I made an appointment for today at noon with the chick that does my nails. I go today at the appointed time and she tells me that she can not do it because her fiance does not want her to work on men. The other night she told me that she can not have men on her Line app and now this bullshit. Dude is the DJ in 808 and gave her a diamond ring. At least learn the culture first. She is probably the only chick walking around Pattaya with a diamond.

I ran into this same thing in the Dominican Republic. Went to a nail shop and the chick tells me her husband does not allow her to work on men. If I have to put rules in place like this for a chick then to me it would be too much bother to have one.

Lately I have been kicking it with the soapy chick. Total GFE. I no longer have to give her money. We went to see Thor the other night and she bought the snacks. (Then last night another chick invited me out to see Thor!) Last night she paid for dinner. Funny thing is that I don't even know what her name is! Too late to ask her now. I will have to pull a Seinfeld and when we go around my friends get her to introduce herself. She is on my facebook but all her shit is in Thai. I think we had to send a link in Line to even figure out how to add each other.

A buddy of mine keeps chicks on retainer. He gives chicks 2,000 or 3,000 per month and they come to stay whenever he wants them to. Before, he had a chick staying with him and he would pay her room of 5,000 each month. Then she fucked around and got pregnant by some dude. He still let her stay a couple of months after the baby was born and even paid her room 2 more months after he put her out.

I enjoyed Lefeu's post and PM'd him last week. No response. Not everyone used the Private Message tool.

So I will share my PM here. Just looking for a bit more information.

LK The Empress Hotel.

What can you tell me about the hotel you stayed. Cost? Breakfast? English ability of staff? Sea views? Any issues bringing ladies in?

Thanks.

Love Seeker.

[QUOTE=LoveSeeker;2718740]I enjoyed Lefeu's post and PM'd him last week. No response. Not everyone used the Private Message tool.

So I will share my PM here. Just looking for a bit more information.

LK The Empress Hotel.[/QUOTE]Over 8,000 reviews on Agoda. Google is your friend.

SL.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2718567]The Thai men in the large bars aren't customers, they work there. Serving drinks.[/QUOTE]Went out at 6 to exercise with a chick that I know. I was on my bicycle and she was walking. She wanted to go north along the beach but I told her that we should go down Walking Street to Bali Hai instead. She did not even know the blue top where you can do laps was down that way.

She said a friend of hers was in town the other day and she went to Walking Street with him and another female friend of hers. The guy was born in Thailand but has lived in Norway the last 30 years. They would not let him into the gogos but would let the ladies in.

So start the super euro fuck.

First the same routine don t touch the breast because the doctor make it and now are sensible.

Touching stroke her ass my cock in the crack of her ass miracle an hard on put condom a suck while I m fondling her body.

I try to fuck with the mask but it s impossible.

OK 15 minutes door to door.

Got time now to post about my ventures.

My trip to Pattaya was simply amazing. I've fucked more girls here than I did in my home country. Truly an exhilerating experience I would say and at least once in their lifetime one should visit Pattaya for mongering. I'm short of words to describe my emotions and already started missing it.

Booked my hotel nearby Beach road and started exploring surroundings. Nice bars, massage shops, eateries, 7-11. Not a single thing you would miss here. Everything available at your disposal. Freelancers start lining up in the evenings until late nights. You can take a stroll on the beach side and choose whichever lady you like and take her to your room. Mostly for ST. No nonsense or tantrums at all. Spent initial 2-3 days tasting freelancers only.

Most people horde to Walking Street during evenings, club hopping, pick up ladies, get sloshed etc. I visited couple of them but was out like in 30-35 minutes cause of music which can be quite loud. Not all clubs are opened yet but popular ones like Raas, Cavalli can be visited. Be ready to spent 1500-2000+ Bahts on drinks. Ladies in the club are much better than the beach side ones but whatever suits your pocket. I became friends with couple of ladies and asked them to directly visit my room for LT and they were cool with it. Banged them all night without any issues.

Best part is these ladies have their extended friends circle and you get to do boom boom with each of them provided you pay the right price for them. I got to taste ladies as young as 22 yrs to MILF up to 40 yrs. You won't be able to guess their ages until you ask them. Ageless they're.

Everything is on the menu. You just need to ask. I've satisfied my fantasies which I couldn't do back home. Thai people overall are very friendly and polite. They won't scam you or try to loot you. Highly appreciate their behaviour. I won't be going deep into the FRs since its already well-known to most of the people. My tool has been overwhelmed and currently in recovery mode. Total Debauchery.

Damages were decent including lodging, food, shopping and mongering but it was worth every penny. It was less crowded everywhere since these places just opened up after the pandemic. TF, Line and Tinder works very well and is preferred means of communication.

Expect damages between 10 K to 30 K bahts depending upon your appetite.

Looking forward to visit this lovely place soon.

-JizzyB.

[QUOTE=LoveSeeker;2718740]I enjoyed Lefeu's post and PM'd him last week. No response. Not everyone used the Private Message tool.

So I will share my PM here. Just looking for a bit more information.

LK The Empress Hotel.

What can you tell me about the hotel you stayed. Cost? Breakfast? English ability of staff? Sea views? Any issues bringing ladies in?

Thanks.

Love Seeker.[/QUOTE]The following information is ALL pre Covid as I stayed at the LK Empress over 3 years ago.

Hotel Facilities.

Very well kept. Decor is a little over the top but seems to impress the girls. Totally guest friendly for the first guest but you do have to pay a fee for the second or third one. Before this could be avoided by entering the hotel through the little store on Beach road and walking right to the elevator.

Decent pool and if I remember correctly it is usually in the shade. Good for some (like me) bad for others.

Location.

Right on Beach road. Very convenient to catch the Baht bus to walking street. Tahitian Queen gogo a couple of doors down. Maybe 10 minute walk to LK Metro.

Rooms.

Very lavish, again a bit over the top. My room was very large but YMMV. Comfortable King bed. Some rooms with Jacuzzis. Very good housekeeping. Much nicer than LK Metropole. Some rooms face Beach Road an have somewhat of a sea view depending on how high they are. Look at the room descrptions carefully on your booking site.

Breakfast.

Probably the best included breakfast buffet I've had in Pattaya. Since covid I don't know the status of buffets in Pattaya. Never ate dinner or lunch there as there are a lot of inexpensive options nearby.

Cost

Check Agoda they should have close to the best price.

Thanks JizzyB for your report.

I was there May 3rd. Right when restrictions lifted and yeah I like Beach Road. Plus you can chit chat with the ladies and get their vibe. I like the adorable ones who run up to me and say "Can you fuck my ass, " "I want you to cum inside my pussy" - those classy Thai freelancers get me every time. Plus. As I am here in California eating my meagre Chipotle lunch with a soda. Cost of $24.65 - I can also say 'here here" to your observation about prices. Still reasonably cheap food down in Pattaya and 7-11's everywhere. Think I'll go back myself soon.

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2718823]Got time now to post about my ventures.

My trip to Pattaya was simply amazing. I've fucked more girls here than I did in my home country. Truly an exhilerating experience I would say and at least once in their lifetime one should visit Pattaya for mongering. I'm short of words to describe my emotions and already started missing it.

Booked my hotel nearby Beach road and started exploring surroundings. Nice bars, massage shops, eateries, 7-11. Not a single thing you would miss here. Everything available at your disposal. Freelancers start lining up in the evenings until late nights. You can take a stroll on the beach side and choose whichever lady you like and take her to your room. Mostly for ST. No nonsense or tantrums at all. Spent initial 2-3 days tasting freelancers only.

Most people horde to Walking Street during evenings, club hopping, pick up ladies, get sloshed etc. I visited couple of them but was out like in 30-35 minutes cause of music which can be quite loud. Not all clubs are opened yet but popular ones like Raas, Cavalli can be visited. Be ready to spent 1500-2000+ Bahts on drinks. Ladies in the club are much better than the beach side ones but whatever suits your pocket. I became friends with couple of ladies and asked them to directly visit my room for LT and they were cool with it. Banged them all night without any issues.

Best part is these ladies have their extended friends circle and you get to do boom boom with each of them provided you pay the right price for them. I got to taste ladies as young as 22 yrs to MILF up to 40 yrs. You won't be able to guess their ages until you ask them. Ageless they're.

Everything is on the menu. You just need to ask. I've satisfied my fantasies which I couldn't do back home. Thai people overall are very friendly and polite. They won't scam you or try to loot you. Highly appreciate their behaviour. I won't be going deep into the FRs since its already well-known to most of the people. My tool has been overwhelmed and currently in recovery mode. Total Debauchery.

Damages were decent including lodging, food, shopping and mongering but it was worth every penny. It was less crowded everywhere since these places just opened up after the pandemic. TF, Line and Tinder works very well and is preferred means of communication.

Expect damages between 10 K to 30 K bahts depending upon your appetite.

Looking forward to visit this lovely place soon.

-JizzyB.[/QUOTE]I agree wholeheartedly. My most recent 3 month visit was epic. It was especially cool to have some chick I fucked introduce me to a new 20 yo girl that's just barely starting off.

You mind sharing how much you paid these ladies? 10 K to 30 K wasn't per lady per night, was it? Even if it is, I don't mean to judge.

7-11 was godsend! Being able to eat some amazing dumplings, zhu mai, fried rice, and green curry any time of the day (especially after a night out getting piss drunk) was amazing. It's the 3rd thing I miss the most from Thailand. 1st being the women and 2nd being the $3 Thai massages.

I'll be going back in a couple months :)

[QUOTE=HardDrive;2718825]The following information is ALL pre Covid as I stayed at the LK Empress over 3 years ago.

Hotel Facilities.

Very well kept. Decor is a little over the top but seems to impress the girls. Totally guest friendly for the first guest but you do have to pay a fee for the second or third one. Before this could be avoided by entering the hotel through the little store on Beach road and walking right to the elevator.

Decent pool and if I remember correctly it is usually in the shade. Good for some (like me) bad for others.

Location.

Right on Beach road. Very convenient to catch the Baht bus to walking street. Tahitian Queen gogo a couple of doors down. Maybe 10 minute walk to LK Metro.

Rooms.

Very lavish, again a bit over the top. My room was very large but YMMV. Comfortable King bed. Some rooms with Jacuzzis. Very good housekeeping. Much nicer than LK Metropole. Some rooms face Beach Road an have somewhat of a sea view depending on how high they are. Look at the room descrptions carefully on your booking site.

Breakfast.

Probably the best included breakfast buffet I've had in Pattaya. Since covid I don't know the status of buffets in Pattaya. Never ate dinner or lunch there as there are a lot of inexpensive options nearby.

Cost

Check Agoda they should have close to the best price.[/QUOTE]Sorry buddy, I have been busy these last 3 days, and I did not log in. I agree with the feedback above. I've been staying in that hotel for the past 5+ years and I like it. Prior to that, I was staying on Soi 10.

Nothing has changed, the hotel is still the same with reasonable prices, nice breakfast. In fact my expat buddy who lives there loves it when I am there. I always book for 2 people, hence I am entitled to 2 free breakfasts, so he makes an effort to be there every morning to enjoy a free breakfast. That breakfast also doubled as my lunch. I usually don't eat again until dinner time.

The staff are very nice and helpful. The location is excellent. One con is that the hotel furniture is dated, and old. They can use some fresh furniture, especially the mattress I had on my last stay. It was sagging, but I am not complaining. Overall, it's a good deal for me. I did give them my feedback on the need to upgrade the furniture.

[QUOTE=LoveSeeker;2718740]I enjoyed Lefeu's post and PM'd him last week. No response. Not everyone used the Private Message tool.

So I will share my PM here. Just looking for a bit more information.

LK The Empress Hotel.

What can you tell me about the hotel you stayed. Cost? Breakfast? English ability of staff? Sea views? Any issues bringing ladies in?

Thanks.

Love Seeker.[/QUOTE]You tried with tripadvisor ?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2718687]The other night I made an appointment for today at noon with the chick that does my nails. I go today at the appointed time and she tells me that she can not do it because her fiance does not want her to work on men. The other night she told me that she can not have men on her Line app and now this bullshit. Dude is the DJ in 808 and gave her a diamond ring. At least learn the culture first. She is probably the only chick walking around Pattaya with a diamond.

I ran into this same thing in the Dominican Republic. Went to a nail shop and the chick tells me her husband does not allow her to work on men. If I have to put rules in place like this for a chick then to me it would be too much bother to have one.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. Too bad if we can't even fuck other people's chicks in Pattaya (and also elsewhere in the world).

[QUOTE=LoveSeeker;2718740]I enjoyed Lefeu's post and PM'd him last week. No response. Not everyone used the Private Message tool.

So I will share my PM here. Just looking for a bit more information.

LK The Empress Hotel.

What can you tell me about the hotel you stayed. Cost? Breakfast? English ability of staff? Sea views? Any issues bringing ladies in?r.[/QUOTE]We have stayed at LK Empress several times; pre-Covid. There are two buildings; main and the beachfront building. The main building, is about 6 - 8 floors. The upper floors have a sea view.

The beachfront building is 3 - 4 floors, above the restaurant. The beachfront rooms are typical size with balcony facing the sea on Beach Road. There are corner rooms where you can get two balconies, one on the side and one in front. Very nice. The staff speaks English. The pool is above the parking garage and is located between the two buildings, as I mentioned above. It is a very good sized pool with plenty of loungers. Walking Street is about a 10 - 15 minute walk; LK Metro is about the same.

A lot of the bars in the area of the LK Empress have closed, so we staying elsewhere in September, when we return.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2718876]Thanks JizzyB for your report.

I was there May 3rd. Right when restrictions lifted and yeah I like Beach Road. Plus you can chit chat with the ladies and get their vibe. I like the adorable ones who run up to me and say "Can you fuck my ass, " "I want you to cum inside my pussy" - those classy Thai freelancers get me every time. Plus. As I am here in California eating my meagre Chipotle lunch with a soda. Cost of $24.65 - I can also say 'here here" to your observation about prices. Still reasonably cheap food down in Pattaya and 7-11's everywhere. Think I'll go back myself soon.[/QUOTE]I'm in Cali too. Eating out has gotten too pricey for me so I rarely if ever eat out. Saving every dollar possible for my Thailand trip in August. That $24.65 Chipotle damn near pays for an ST session LOL.

Same as above guys. Last time I was here I RTFF and got some great gems of clubs at soi 6 (can't recall the names unfortunately) which were amazing, I could buy ladydrinks at first floor in a secluded corner and girls would allow me to get really frisky, even got a BBJ there. I DIG this kind of action, don't get me wrong I don't mind picking up 1 k deals from Beach Road but getting frisky at the club is just the best for me. RTFF reveals that the situation isn't back to normal yet as it was in 2019 or did I miss something and the clubs are letting their girls go the extra mile for some lady drinks?

[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2719347]Same as above guys. Last time I was here I RTFF and got some great gems of clubs at soi 6 (can't recall the names unfortunately) which were amazing, I could buy ladydrinks at first floor in a secluded corner and girls would allow me to get really frisky, even got a BBJ there. I DIG this kind of action, don't get me wrong I don't mind picking up 1 k deals from Beach Road but getting frisky at the club is just the best for me. RTFF reveals that the situation isn't back to normal yet as it was in 2019 or did I miss something and the clubs are letting their girls go the extra mile for some lady drinks?[/QUOTE]Of course, it depends on the bar, same as in 2019.

Let me be clear: if you come to Pattaya now, there are plenty of bars and plenty of ladies. The constraints are, as always, your money, your time, and your dick.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2718805]She said a friend of hers was in town the other day and she went to Walking Street with him and another female friend of hers. The guy was born in Thailand but has lived in Norway the last 30 years. They would not let him into the gogos but would let the ladies in.[/QUOTE]That is true for most bars, but there are now more bars with Thai men instead, compared to 2019.

I am traveling with a sex freak, as you can imagine, she is very popular. More than eager for sex, she is very good at taking care of her customers. She gave me 30,000 baht to keep in my safe, so she is doing well.

When I return to Pattaya, I will stay 3 days in Koh Larn, with a different lady every night. Then, I will go to Phuket with another lady, I have 3 days in my condo with ladies coming all day and all night, and then 3 days in Koh Samui with another lady.

August will be busy, as well. It's Low Season, and the ladies need customers.

This is the time to be in Pattaya.

I was wanting to know how prices of food compared and are there as many street vendors with food. And do visa runs work the same or not really as they did pre COVID.

[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2719347]Same as above guys. Last time I was here I RTFF and got some great gems of clubs at soi 6 (can't recall the names unfortunately) which were amazing, I could buy ladydrinks at first floor in a secluded corner and girls would allow me to get really frisky, even got a BBJ there. I DIG this kind of action, don't get me wrong I don't mind picking up 1 k deals from Beach Road but getting frisky at the club is just the best for me. RTFF reveals that the situation isn't back to normal yet as it was in 2019 or did I miss something and the clubs are letting their girls go the extra mile for some lady drinks?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2719347]Same as above guys. Last time I was here I RTFF and got some great gems of clubs at soi 6 (can't recall the names unfortunately) which were amazing, I could buy ladydrinks at first floor in a secluded corner and girls would allow me to get really frisky, even got a BBJ there. I DIG this kind of action, don't get me wrong I don't mind picking up 1 k deals from Beach Road but getting frisky at the club is just the best for me. RTFF reveals that the situation isn't back to normal yet as it was in 2019 or did I miss something and the clubs are letting their girls go the extra mile for some lady drinks?[/QUOTE]A few less gogo bars on walking and brass houses on soi 6. LK fully open. Soi boomerang, pothole and Treetown all much bigger than pre Covid. Plenty of the old crappy no AC beer bars have gone and unlikely to come back. Thankfully the skank freelancers that blighted beach road are slowly being eradicated now. Loving every day here for the last 8 years.

Thanks for your comment.

Haha. 10 K to 30 K definitely wasnt the per night prices: the.

I got 2 chicks everyday ranging from freelancers, bar girls and their friends.

7-11 absolutely is godsend. Right from topping up my local number to groceries, beers to condoms (expensive though: P) everything at one place.

I'm too planning to visit it soon. Mentally I'm still there. LOL: the.

-JizzyB.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2719031]I agree wholeheartedly. My most recent 3 month visit was epic. It was especially cool to have some chick I fucked introduce me to a new 20 yo girl that's just barely starting off.

You mind sharing how much you paid these ladies? 10 K to 30 K wasn't per lady per night, was it? Even if it is, I don't mean to judge.

7-11 was godsend! Being able to eat some amazing dumplings, zhu mai, fried rice, and green curry any time of the day (especially after a night out getting piss drunk) was amazing. It's the 3rd thing I miss the most from Thailand. 1st being the women and 2nd being the $3 Thai massages.

I'll be going back in a couple months :)[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your comment.

Haha. I can totally understand and have experienced it myself: the.

For that lunch amount you could have gotten a boom boom session.

I'm too planning to visit it soon.

-JizzyB.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2718876]Thanks JizzyB for your report.

I was there May 3rd. Right when restrictions lifted and yeah I like Beach Road. Plus you can chit chat with the ladies and get their vibe. I like the adorable ones who run up to me and say "Can you fuck my ass, " "I want you to cum inside my pussy" - those classy Thai freelancers get me every time. Plus. As I am here in California eating my meagre Chipotle lunch with a soda. Cost of $24.65 - I can also say 'here here" to your observation about prices. Still reasonably cheap food down in Pattaya and 7-11's everywhere. Think I'll go back myself soon.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely it does.

Good luck with your trip: the.

-JizzyB.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2719290]I'm in Cali too. Eating out has gotten too pricey for me so I rarely if ever eat out. Saving every dollar possible for my Thailand trip in August. That $24.65 Chipotle damn near pays for an ST session LOL.[/QUOTE]

I was there in pattaya in April when the soapies were closed. Howz the scene now? Any recommendations?

[QUOTE=Horatio;2719373]I was wanting to know how prices of food compared and are there as many street vendors with food. And do visa runs work the same or not really as they did pre COVID.[/QUOTE]I can say that I am on soi 6 allot and three years ago you had tons of street vendors going up and down the street. Example would be those pie carts with the gravy on top. You would see those go by five times a night but not anymore. Soi 6 has rebounded with bars and girls being open but the street vendors are lacking. Those coffee drink carts all tried getting together and raising their prices from 20 to 25 baht while its still 20 baht in Bangkok. All that's done is hurt their business. Prices have stayed reasonable I would say. Now for guys looking for a taste of back home (trust me on this). Go to Charlie Beach on soi 13/2 and order the pork chop with mash / w gravy. It comes with fresh baked bread for 180 baht. Pork chop is pretty good although a tad thin but its the mash with gravy that is amazing.

As to visa runs. Not sure they are running those border vans anymore so flying in and out via the airport might be the only option right now.

Thanks for the responses guys but the original question still stands can the exhibitionist in me have fun in gogo bars like the old days? If so what bars you guys recommend?

[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2719641]Thanks for the responses guys but the original question still stands can the exhibitionist in me have fun in gogo bars like the old days? If so what bars you guys recommend?[/QUOTE]Pre-covid you could take a seat at Pandoras in LK Metro and get a header in front of the entire place. I have heard rumors that the practice continues today but I won't be able to verify until mid-October.

See where it goes, play hard to get will alway create attachment, women act just like men do in that respect. Will go back and read your early reports interesting story. I, too, have heart cold now since no love will show love unless your tell them your not interest in the slightest.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2718689]Lately I have been kicking it with the soapy chick. Total GFE. I no longer have to give her money. We went to see Thor the other night and she bought the snacks. (Then last night another chick invited me out to see Thor!) Last night she paid for dinner. Funny thing is that I don't even know what her name is! Too late to ask her now. I will have to pull a Seinfeld and when we go around my friends get her to introduce herself. She is on my facebook but all her shit is in Thai. I think we had to send a link in Line to even figure out how to add each other.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2719359]That is true for most bars, but there are now more bars with Thai men instead, compared to 2019.[/QUOTE]Just out of curiosity? Do you know first hand that these are in fact Thai customers. Were they pointed out to you? Did you actually here them speak Thai?

Or assuming?

In my walk abouts I've noticed that the Thai guys at bars are more look outs, bouncers, or paid to be managers since many bars are owned or finance by foreign ownership and don't have word permits.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2719702]Just out of curiosity? Do you know first hand that these are in fact Thai customers. Were they pointed out to you? Did you actually here them speak Thai?

Or assuming?[/QUOTE]Or could be from Myanmar.

Happy to see the reviews of Soi6. Before the pre covid time, visited Pattaya 4 or 5 times in a year. 2016 onwards stayed most of the time in Soi6 Queen Vick (Queen Victoria Inn) opposit Off Shore bar. Room in the first floor and watching girls and their actions in the day time was really exciting. Evening bar hooping was my hobby, exploring the bars of Night wish group. It was a fun filled time. After 11 PM BF for LT one of my friendly girl and go for dancing in walking [URL]street.Com[/URL]e back to hotel around 3 in the morning and get into hotel through steel ladder on the back. He he. Sleep with girl till noon before her next shift. Really I miss it. Planning my next trip in August after a long break. Don't know how is my favourite street in Pattaya respond to me then.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2719702]Just out of curiosity? Do you know first hand that these are in fact Thai customers. Were they pointed out to you? Did you actually here them speak Thai?

Or assuming?

In my walk abouts I've noticed that the Thai guys at bars are more look outs, bouncers, or paid to be managers since many bars are owned or finance by foreign ownership and don't have word permits.[/QUOTE]The Thai guys I referred to work at the bars, in one capacity or another. Bad idea.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2718567]The Thai men in the large bars aren't customers, they work there. Serving drinks.[/QUOTE]And no, they aren't from Myanmar.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2719833]Or could be from Myanmar.[/QUOTE]I don't like to question the majority of things here? I don't have enough experience to know whether it would be a Myanmar person but if I'm able to listen I can usually figure out my wife from Sukhothai her tone is a bit different I usually can tell But this thing about more Thai men now visiting bars, especially the location being mentioned I have my doubts. As you know I live with Thais, and can easily be mistaken for a Thai pre and post-Covid depending on the establishment can be stereotyped as Korean, or Japanese, I've been stopped a number of times entering into a GoGo, ask if I was Thai. Times I enter GC the place goes a bit silent as if I'm the police there have been times I swear a few farangs pee in their pants after I walked in.

My experience or assumption whenever I do my rounds around town if I see an Asian in a bar it depends on how they are interacting with the staff and where they are sitting I usually can spot them that they aren't a customer but has some dealing with the bar or club. With all the restrictions there are more hires of Thais as lookouts etc. Even prior to Covid, on W. S. There was a particular chain of clubs with lookouts and runners with Walkie Talkies to warn the clubs.

Sure it can happen especially after Covid but the Thais majority wouldn't be caught dead as customers unless they were invited cause they know the Thai manager, special party. Two particular GoGo on W. S. Pre-covid I've found myself sitting or drinking with Thais from Bangkok young rich, spoiled and arrogant, the Pattaya ones are usually the lower-end wannabe's Thai mafia soldiers earned a bit of money who don't have any manners and want to show off with their new found wealth.

As for being just customers especially boyfriends of girls working the bars I just don't see it although I understand this is a general statement.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2719846]Happy to see the reviews of Soi6. Before the pre covid time, visited Pattaya 4 or 5 times in a year. 2016 onwards stayed most of the time in Soi6 Queen Vick (Queen Victoria Inn) opposit Off Shore bar. Room in the first floor and watching girls and their actions in the day time was really exciting. Evening bar hooping was my hobby, exploring the bars of Night wish group. It was a fun filled time. After 11 PM BF for LT one of my friendly girl and go for dancing in walking [URL]street.Com[/URL]e back to hotel around 3 in the morning and get into hotel through steel ladder on the back. He he. [/QUOTE]I too have stayed at Queen Vic for many years, I'm hoping it survived the RESET. Planning a trip in October, soon find out if Queen Vic is still operational, also fun to sit outside and next door there is a eatery who name escapes me (Mac's) but it is fun to sit and watch the people antics across the Soi. Pook the attractive Thai lady is pleasant to chat to when not busy.

My MO was to go Honey 2 / massage spots around 2 pm then walk down to Soi 6. Dinner. Then Walking Street / LK Metro.

Honey 2: Lots of Milfs and Gilfs. Average age was probably close to 40 yo. I picked a M girl and two V girls. The M girl was in her 20's with no boobs and baby damage. 3300 baht. The first V girl was 20 yo with no boobs and baby damage. The second one looked like she was in her 20's from a distance but up close was probably 30 ish. 3900 baht. Girl quality was low but I still enjoyed the massage and bath.

Massage spots: 1000 baht for a HJ including the cost of the massage. One girl didn't use any oil and gave me an Indian rub. I tapped out. One girl may have been a ladyboy. Fake tits (rubber pads) and wouldn't let me touch between her legs. Another girl had me shooting cum all over the place and never even tried to clean it up so don't put your face on the pillows and mats.

Soi 6: Bars open around noon and music starts around 2 pm. 300 to 400 baht for BF and 1300 for ST. Plenty of girls to choose from. *Yes, Queen Vic is open. Ate there twice.

LK Metro: Opens around 6 pm and music starts around 7 pm. Lots of action and girls. Didn't BF anyone though so not sure about costs.

Walking Street. Opens at 8 pm. Lots of girls, not many bars. Fahrenheit and Pin Up were 1500 BF and 3000 for ST. Palace was 2000 BF and 3000ST. Pinup had the most, best and the youngest average age. It was also the most cutthroat claiming drink minimums before BF, wanting all the money at the bar, and girls not BF at all.

Had a great trip, still recommend Pattaya, and am already planning my next trip.

[QUOTE=HardDrive;2719680]Pre-covid you could take a seat at Pandoras in LK Metro and get a header in front of the entire place. I have heard rumors that the practice continues today but I won't be able to verify until mid-October.[/QUOTE]Forgot the name of the bar in LK Metro, but I walked in and a guy was getting a BJ so I walked back out. At Windmill on Walking Street, girls were dry humping guys, giving hjs and there were several guys pretending to be gynecologists.

Just came back from a short trip to Phnom Penh with a Pattaya bargirl. She is a 3 holes, aims to please, sex on thectable at all times. Silicon enhanced, probably the only down side is that hole #3 is a bit loose.

Very clingy, up to the end of the date. Then, its off with the next customer.

Thanks to RakSopheni for recommending this BJ Bar. Located at Bong Koch.

Initially, went to a bar (don't remember the name) next to it mistakenly and checked for prices which were quite high comparatively. (900-950 Bahts for BJ including LD, BF).

Ladies here were okayish. Left and went to BB. Not much patrons were there since I went in the afternoon. Manager was funny and cool person but I liked her deputy who was hot but unavailable for service. Was shown 4 Ladies in their early 20's which was tempting. Ambience was awesome with dim lights and poles for dancing. Selected a slim girl and took beer for both of us. Spent some time caressing / fondling each other and then shifted to a couch covered with curtains in the backside of the bar. She removed my shorts and inners and cleaned my tool with chilled wet wipes which was soothing. Some initial strokes and directly takes it inside her warm mouth. Sloppy BBBJ and licking my balls which was good without any tooth in the process. Went for good 10 minutes. I slid her one-piece and started fondling her tits and fingering her pussy. She was kind of wet and moaning. Finally, blasted in her mouth and she sucked every last drop of my juice and satisfied me. Came back to the bar table and spent time till our drinks were finished. Paid and parted our ways.

Enjoyed this kind of experience when you're not in a mood for FS.

Damages - 800 Baht for BBBJ plus for drinks.

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2720248]Thanks to RakSopheni for recommending this BJ Bar. Located at Bong Koch.

Initially, went to a bar (don't remember the name) next to it mistakenly and checked for prices which were quite high comparatively. (900-950 Bahts for BJ including LD, BF).

Ladies here were okayish. Left and went to BB. Not much patrons were there since I went in the afternoon. Manager was funny and cool person but I liked her deputy who was hot but unavailable for service. Was shown 4 Ladies in their early 20's which was tempting. Ambience was awesome with dim lights and poles for dancing. Selected a slim girl and took beer for both of us. Spent some time caressing / fondling each other and then shifted to a couch covered with curtains in the backside of the bar. She removed my shorts and inners and cleaned my tool with chilled wet wipes which was soothing. Some initial strokes and directly takes it inside her warm mouth. Sloppy BBBJ and licking my balls which was good without any tooth in the process. Went for good 10 minutes. I slid her one-piece and started fondling her tits and fingering her pussy. She was kind of wet and moaning. Finally, blasted in her mouth and she sucked every last drop of my juice and satisfied me. Came back to the bar table and spent time till our drinks were finished. Paid and parted our ways.

Enjoyed this kind of experience when you're not in a mood for FS.

Damages - 800 Baht for BBBJ plus for drinks.[/QUOTE]How many bars were open on Soi Bongkot? There were about 10 there before Covid.

Even back then mfs knew you were supposed to negotiate and not pay the first price.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncr_EA7Ja7Y[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2720284]Even back then mfs knew you were supposed to negotiate and not pay the first price.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncr_EA7Ja7Y[/URL][/QUOTE]Yeah, but he probably gave her a $5 tip anyway.

Low Season is hitting hard now. I am getting lots of messages from ladies looking for customers and my calendar is booked ahead for a week. It will never be as slow as last summer, when the bars were closed, and the ladies had nowhere to go, no money, no customers, and the Thai boyfriends were gone. But, now, there is uncertainty for many ladies when they will have a customer again, so when they do have a customer, they make the most of it.

I am on Koh Larn now. 2 ladies last night, heavy drinking, and then 3 some fun. They didn't interact with each other, but they couldn't get enough dick.

Today, when they sober up, they go back to Pattaya, and another pair comes this afternoon.

This is a new one for me: I blew a load in a lady last night, and this morning she mentioned that she would have to buy a pill to avoid pregnancy. I am shocked that she isn't on the pill, but her story is that she always uses a condom, but just didn't bother last night.

While I was typing this, she sent a photo of the pill.

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2720248]Thanks to RakSopheni for recommending this BJ Bar. Located at Bong Koch.

[/QUOTE]Glad to be of help, I think I will head over there right now. In JizzyB's post BB stands for BadaBing I think, which is my favorite GC over there (Bong Koch). Explorer8389, I think about 6 are open but I will update that later today if the number is higher.

I've just been lying low recovering from my unfortunate illness which is still lingering, seeing the same 2 regular providers with occasional girls from TF and runs to some GC's. I'm not really ripping it up out there or even trying but the ratio seems pretty good. Headed back to North America next week for medical care and to get back to the real world- had to cut my trip short by a month but things happen.

RS.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2720284]Even back then mfs knew you were supposed to negotiate and not pay the first price.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncr_EA7Ja7Y[/URL][/QUOTE]Kubrick's recreating downtown Saigon in east London was very convincing.

I rarely negotiate now because negotiations haven't done me any good in general.

1 - My first example dates from 2 weeks ago. It has been to reduce the price of a massage and boom boom from 1800 bahts to 1500 bahts in a Buakhao soi massage parlour. She accepted but the massage was botched and she didn't even perform oral sex. The reason she gave was that she was giving me my money's worth. Since I hadn't come to argue, I paid her the agreed price of 1500 while calmly telling her that her massage and boom had sucked.

Negotiation type I get what I pay for.

2 - Negotiate 10 bahts for a motobike ride.

Bad and I'm ashamed afterwards.

So now, I avoid crazy prices and I don't negotiate anything anymore. Your price does not suit me, goodbye.

When I will buy an apartment I will negotiate.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2720619]Negotiate 10 bahts for a motobike ride. Bad and I'm ashamed afterwards.[/QUOTE]If you are not ashamed of your offer, then you are offering too much.

Take care of your health.

BTW the chick I was talking about is her. Do you know if she provides service? Were you able to score her?

-JizzyB.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2720544]Glad to be of help, I think I will head over there right now. In JizzyB's post BB stands for BadaBing I think, which is my favorite GC over there (Bong Koch). Explorer8389, I think about 6 are open but I will update that later today if the number is higher.

I've just been lying low recovering from my unfortunate illness which is still lingering, seeing the same 2 regular providers with occasional girls from TF and runs to some GC's. I'm not really ripping it up out there or even trying but the ratio seems pretty good. Headed back to North America next week for medical care and to get back to the real world- had to cut my trip short by a month but things happen.

RS.[/QUOTE]

I guess entire row houses / bars types were functional. Didn't window shop hence.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2720254]How many bars were open on Soi Bongkot? There were about 10 there before Covid.[/QUOTE]

Any go to places to eat you guys can recommend in Central Pattaya?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2720788]Any go to places to eat you guys can recommend in Central Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Try Dee's if you like cashews, pecans, pistachio, or almonds.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2720788]Any go to places to eat you guys can recommend in Central Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Mcdonald's. Silom Bangkok offering Quarter Pounders now. 10 baht ice cream. Chicken Curry.

Safe. What's not to like.

Still don't get why barfines in Pattaya are 1,000 and up. I can see limiting girls to short time to keep them in the Bar.

Problem is it's lose lose. Bar gets no barfine girls get no customers.

Rainbow Nana Plaza. It's like a revolution door as girls keep getting Barfined over and over and over again.

P.S. I saw an Arab negotiating with a massage girl soi 4 Nana. He got 1 000 baht all in for sex. Girl quite pretty. Only drawback to me was she a bit Plumpish.

I've seen middle eastern and Indian s barfining recently.

I had a married Thai lady stay with me last night in Koh Larn. In the morning, she posted photos of the hotel on Facebook, writing in German for her husband back in Germany.

No, I didn't fuck her. My rule is no fucking ladies with Farang boyfriends, you never know when you might meet them.

She doesn't fuck customers, only her Thai boyfriend, who is 15 years younger than her and works in a karaoke bar. In other words, he's a money board. But, like 100% of Thai ladies, she swears she doesn't give him money. So, according to her, he gives up nights he could be making money to fuck her for free.

Her friends claim she gives him so much money, she has trouble sending money to her family.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2720788]Any go to places to eat you guys can recommend in Central Pattaya?[/QUOTE]For a place with cheap prices and decent grub I recommend the Captain's restaurant on soi 10 aka soi hunny near all of the full service massage places. They have a great 99 baht breakfast, a decent 79 baht burger and fries. Don't expect a big burger patty, nice size fish and chips as well as some other specials.

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2720709]Take care of your health.

BTW the chick I was talking about is her. Do you know if she provides service? Were you able to score her?

-JizzyB.[/QUOTE]I've seen her I think. Never took her to the back room.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2720653]If you are not ashamed of your offer, then you are offering too much.[/QUOTE]In reality you are right.

I paid the price of the taxi motobike found around the corner between Kinarree and Tree Town 100 bahts. And I was ashamed to negotiate 20 bahts for the ride.

And then I discovered Pattaya Bolt . The same trip is 40 bahts. I add a tip of 20 bahts in general.

In proportion the price difference is great. More than 2 times. Now I think the street motobike taxi probably tends to take the farangs for idiots.

It is sure that Bolt makes a severe competition with the motobikes of the street corners. Sometimes a driver would hide because he (or she) was afraid of being discovered by a street motobike and being boxed.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2720788]Any go to places to eat you guys can recommend in Central Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Pattaya Beer Garden: [URL]http://www.pattayabeergarden.com/[/URL].

SL.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2720914]In reality you are right.

I paid the price of the taxi motobike found around the corner between Kinarree and Tree Town 100 bahts. And I was ashamed to negotiate 20 bahts for the ride.

And then I discovered Pattaya Bolt . The same trip is 40 bahts. I add a tip of 20 bahts in general.

In proportion the price difference is great. More than 2 times. Now I think the street motobike taxi probably tends to take the farangs for idiots.

It is sure that Bolt makes a severe competition with the motobikes of the street corners. Sometimes a driver would hide because he (or she) was afraid of being discovered by a street motobike and being boxed.[/QUOTE]I was staying at Pattaya Red Planet hotel. I wanted a motorbike ride to WS. There was a motorbike taxi in front of the hotel, so I asked him how much. He quoted me 100 baht. I laughed and said NOPE. I booked a bolt for 40 baht. Wouldn't you know it? He looks at his phone (Bolt alert), looks at me and smiles. He drops me off at WS and I tip 10 baht.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2720788]Any go to places to eat you guys can recommend in Central Pattaya?[/QUOTE]If you like sushi, I highly recommend WASHI sushi at Terminal 21. Best AYCE sushi I had in all of Pattaya. The food court at the top of Terminal 21 is also pretty good and prices are about the same as street food (about 40-50 baht) with lots of variety. If you like ribs, I highly recommend Beefeater. They have AYCE ribs on Sat and Sundays for a little over 300 baht. Sukishi in Central Pattaya Mall was very good for Korean bbq. If you haven't tried it yet, I recommend giving mookata a try. It's basically Thai BBQ:

S Pattaya Rd, Pattaya City, Bang Lamung District, Chon Buri 20150, Thailand.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2720926]I was staying at Pattaya Red Planet hotel. I wanted a motorbike ride to WS. There was a motorbike taxi in front of the hotel, so I asked him how much. He quoted me 100 baht. I laughed and said NOPE. I booked a bolt for 40 baht. Wouldn't you know it? He looks at his phone (Bolt alert), looks at me and smiles. He drops me off at WS and I tip 10 baht.[/QUOTE]Not pointing to you specifically I know lotsa people do this.

But isn't it a bit weird? Basically tipping 10 to communicate "dick with us foreigners all you want, we're so dense we'll even tip you to show our appreciation of your poor faith behavior" yikes.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2720888]For a place with cheap prices and decent grub I recommend the Captain's restaurant on soi 10 aka soi hunny near all of the full service massage places. They have a great 99 baht breakfast, a decent 79 baht burger and fries. Don't expect a big burger patty, nice size fish and chips as well as some other specials.[/QUOTE]FS massage and good cheap food combo, sounds like a win.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2720927]If you like sushi, I highly recommend WASHI sushi at Terminal 21. Best AYCE sushi I had in all of Pattaya. The food court at the top of Terminal 21 is also pretty good and prices are about the same as street food (about 40-50 baht) with lots of variety. If you like ribs, I highly recommend Beefeater. They have AYCE ribs on Sat and Sundays for a little over 300 baht. Sukishi in Central Pattaya Mall was very good for Korean bbq. If you haven't tried it yet, I recommend giving mookata a try. It's basically Thai BBQ:

S Pattaya Rd, Pattaya City, Bang Lamung District, Chon Buri 20150, Thailand.[/QUOTE]I usually stick to the food courts at T21 and CF to save money but with the dollar being so strong I figured I'll expand my budget this trip and eat much better.

Thanks for all rec's.

I hit the bars in Pattaya last night. Loads of ladies, but the bars are empty. This is Low Season on steroids. Fortunately for the ladies, customers will return in September, but August is going to be very slow for the bars.

Soi Chaiyapoon has a ridiculous number of new bars, but inside maybe one or zero customers.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2720926]I was staying at Pattaya Red Planet hotel. I wanted a motorbike ride to WS. There was a motorbike taxi in front of the hotel, so I asked him how much. He quoted me 100 baht. I laughed and said NOPE. I booked a bolt for 40 baht. Wouldn't you know it? He looks at his phone (Bolt alert), looks at me and smiles. He drops me off at WS and I tip 10 baht.[/QUOTE]He probably would prefer taking up your 40 baht booking at accepting 100 baht outright.

The apps pay the workers bonuses, per milestone for getting a number of jobs completed.

I have a journey at the end of the month that takes me all over the place, don't try this at home:

Day 30 - August 1: Udon Thani with lady friend.

Day 1 - 3: Singapore with same lady friend.

Day 3 - 5: Send lady friend home to Thailand, 2 more ladies fly to Singapore from Thailand.

Day 5: return to Bangkok, spend one night with Cambodian lady.

Day 6: fly to Khon Kaen, spend the night in a rural hotel with lady friend #1 and another lady we both know. The friend goes crazy when she is drunk for lady friend #1, can't get enough of her ass. Cambodia lady goes to her nearby village.

Day 7: spend the day in the village of lady friend #1. Document needed repairs of her house for her Thai husband to fix. Cambodia lady stays with me in the rural hotel.

Day 8: fly back to BKK with 2 ladies.

The big question is how to do laundry for this trip.

The trick here is to find ladies who won't have an attitude if I switch them out for another lady. If you try some variation of this, be careful, some ladies will be irate if they have to share a customer.

Tomorrow, I go to Phuket with a bargirl.

I came across a youtube video today, many of you might have seen similar ones ones in the past: Russian ladies standing on the streets trying to waving in guys. Are these beautiful Russian ladies working as well? Where to find them for sex and how much do they usually charge? Thanks.

Folks, planning a trip to Pattaya. Are the soapies open again? How about Rasputin?

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2720926]I was staying at Pattaya Red Planet hotel. I wanted a motorbike ride to WS. There was a motorbike taxi in front of the hotel, so I asked him how much. He quoted me 100 baht. I laughed and said NOPE. I booked a bolt for 40 baht. Wouldn't you know it? He looks at his phone (Bolt alert), looks at me and smiles. He drops me off at WS and I tip 10 baht.[/QUOTE]So you were on 2nd road across from Central Marina and took a motorbike taxi to WS for 50 baht? It's like being on the back end of the Soi 6 bars and then too lazy to walk to the beach side Soi 6 bars to take a 10 baht bus. You saved 50 baht but paid an extra 40.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2721356]I came across a youtube video today, many of you might have seen similar ones ones in the past: Russian ladies standing on the streets trying to waving in guys. Are these beautiful Russian ladies working as well? Where to find them for sex and how much do they usually charge? Thanks.[/QUOTE]You mean those rip off places that cater to people that aren't used to being around White people? I recently saw one new place open on Walking Street. If you search reports I think some poster mentioned going with one of those chicks for like $150 short time and a horrible session. But the point of those places is to get you to buy overpriced drinks for you and the girls. You have to be lucky (or unlucky depending on how you look at it) to get a chick out of there for sex.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2721356]I came across a youtube video today, many of you might have seen similar ones ones in the past: Russian ladies standing on the streets trying to waving in guys. Are these beautiful Russian ladies working as well? Where to find them for sex and how much do they usually charge? Thanks.[/QUOTE]When I went to Pattaya several years ago, there were indeed Russian girls working there. Also in Phuket. Many were dancers in strip clubs. Some of them were available for takeout, but only at crazy stupid money that I wasn't about to pay (don't recall the amount exactly but it was too much). But watch out because others worked in bars where all they wanted a monger to do was buy expensive lady drinks for the pleasure of their company. If I wanted to fuck a Ruskie (I do and I have), then I would go to some other part of the world with better Ruskie talent. Places like western Europe and Dubai. And in Thailand, I would just fuck cute Thai girls at much more favorable prices hehe!

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2721366]So you were on 2nd road across from Central Marina and took a motorbike taxi to WS for 50 baht? It's like being on the back end of the Soi 6 bars and then too lazy to walk to the beach side Soi 6 bars to take a 10 baht bus. You saved 50 baht but paid an extra 40.[/QUOTE]LOL, best comment I've seen in sometime. That 40 extra baht paid is a coffee. At least that's how I look at it.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2721021]I usually stick to the food courts at T21 and CF to save money.[/QUOTE]Food court at Big see Extra Pattaya Klang is cheaper if you want save more money.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2721367]You mean those rip off places that cater to people that aren't used to being around White people? I recently saw one new place open on Walking Street. If you search reports I think some poster mentioned going with one of those chicks for like $150 short time and a horrible session. But the point of those places is to get you to buy overpriced drinks for you and the girls. You have to be lucky (or unlucky depending on how you look at it) to get a chick out of there for sex.[/QUOTE]Exactly, they are just luring you in to buy drinks and they will unethically charge your bill some ridiculous amount and you will pay it unless you want a confrontation with a buff, muay Thai trained bouncer.

Stay away from these types of places. If you want white women go to Germany for FKKs.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2721409]Food court at Big see Extra Pattaya Klang is cheaper if you want save more money.[/QUOTE]The food court at Big see Extra is close and convenient but T-21 is by far way better they have must more selections 2 or 3 times more places open. Maybe me but there is more eye candy for sure. It is by far in prices lower than CF. Plus T-21 , Central Marina prior to Covid had a good food court area mid prices, burgers and stuff not sure any longer now?

Low Season is begging to impact the bars. Wages for ladies are declining, so ladies leave, and many aren't replaced.

Meanwhile, some gogos on Walking Street are still doing well, but 90% of the customers are from India.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2721505]The food court at Big see Extra is close and convenient but T-21 is by far way better they have must more selections 2 or 3 times more places open. Maybe me but there is more eye candy for sure. It is by far in prices lower than CF. Plus T-21 , Central Marina prior to Covid had a good food court area mid prices, burgers and stuff not sure any longer now?[/QUOTE]I agree, T21 has the best bang for your buck food court. Plus it's a beautiful mall to frequent and pass some time at to avoid the outside heat. CF food court is solid as well. I go to one or the other and sometimes both on a given day. CF is more convenient and I like being able to walk right out to the beach for a walk after eating.

Any coffee places you gents like that are priced fairly?

I usually get coffee and Thai tea from the carts or again the food courts. Tom and Toms has very good Thai iced tea (not sure if they're still around). There was one on 2nd Road near Central Marina and on in T21.

GFE ladies:

There are some ladies who provide real GFE for LT. Some can fake it well, others are a little bit crazy in that they fall in love with their customer, until the barfine is over, then they move on. I know some ladies who can go with a customer for weeks on end and act like a newly married woman every day. But, often they were abandoned by their fathers when they were young, and so cling to men.

And then there are ladies who really fall in love with their customers, but that's another story.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2721366]So you were on 2nd road across from Central Marina and took a motorbike taxi to WS for 50 baht? It's like being on the back end of the Soi 6 bars and then too lazy to walk to the beach side Soi 6 bars to take a 10 baht bus. You saved 50 baht but paid an extra 40.[/QUOTE]Ah, you're right. It wasn't to WS. It was to The BASE condo. But that section of 2nd road is one way and I have no idea if a baht bus will be circling around to 2nd road.

Hey Seniors,

Any BDSM scene in Pattaya? I am trying to plan a next trip to Thailand so trying to figure out if the trip to Bangkok is needed. I am looking for something similar to Bar / Bar and Demonia in Bangkok.

Fucking friends of your barfine can be hazardous to your health. If they work together in a bar, some react poorly if you barfine another lady.

I generally can get by with it, if I know the ladies well. Usually after after a few sessions with a lady, I know who she lives with so its hard for them to complain if I go with someone else.

There is one lady I have to be careful with. She has some friends who are very hot, but are off limits to me, as she would lose face if I barfined them. And that would be the end of the GFE.

Yeah that's correct. Horde of Indians out there.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2721530]Low Season is begging to impact the bars. Wages for ladies are declining, so ladies leave, and many aren't replaced.

Meanwhile, some gogos on Walking Street are still doing well, but 90% of the customers are from India.[/QUOTE]

I myself got inclined to try them out but fortunately got my capital saved: the.

Doesn't make sense to have Ruskies in Thailand. Super expensive and shit service. Local buffet is awesome.

-JizzyB.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2721356]I came across a youtube video today, many of you might have seen similar ones ones in the past: Russian ladies standing on the streets trying to waving in guys. Are these beautiful Russian ladies working as well? Where to find them for sex and how much do they usually charge? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2721720]I myself got inclined to try them out but fortunately got my capital saved: the.

Doesn't make sense to have Ruskies in Thailand. Super expensive and shit service. Local buffet is awesome.

-JizzyB.[/QUOTE]All ruskies in Thailand are old hags who have been fuxked and abused over the decades. Better to go with local buffet. Agree it is awesome.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2721622]Fucking friends of your barfine can be hazardous to your health. If they work together in a bar, some react poorly if you barfine another lady.

I generally can get by with it, if I know the ladies well. Usually after after a few sessions with a lady, I know who she lives with so its hard for them to complain if I go with someone else.

There is one lady I have to be careful with. She has some friends who are very hot, but are off limits to me, as she would lose face if I barfined them. And that would be the end of the GFE.[/QUOTE]LOL. Get by with it if you know them well? Lose face? That is ridiculous. It is your trip, your dick, and your money. Who cares if a hooker gets mad or sad because you decide to pay someone else to fuck? LOL. She told you other hookers are off limits to you? That is a laugh.

[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2721593]Hey Seniors,

Any BDSM scene in Pattaya? I am trying to plan a next trip to Thailand so trying to figure out if the trip to Bangkok is needed. I am looking for something similar to Bar / Bar and Demonia in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]You might try this place. [URL]http://www.the-castle-pattaya.com/[/URL].

I was headed there pre-covid but got distracted on my way there and never made it.

[QUOTE=BogieMaker;2721786]You might try this place. [URL]http://www.the-castle-pattaya.com/[/URL].

I was headed there pre-covid but got distracted on my way there and never made it.[/QUOTE]Bro Bogie Maker, This looks like Dominatrix only. Do they have sub also?

What are current ongoing LT, ST and BF rates?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2721412]Exactly, they are just luring you in to buy drinks and they will unethically charge your bill some ridiculous amount and you will pay it unless you want a confrontation with a buff, muay Thai trained bouncer. Stay away from these types of places. If you want white women go to Germany for FKKs.[/QUOTE]Here is an "instructional video" on said topic: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnsJu2_Hq-8[/URL].

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2721745]LOL. Get by with it if you know them well? Lose face? That is ridiculous. It is your trip, your dick, and your money. Who cares if a hooker gets mad or sad because you decide to pay someone else to fuck? LOL. She told you other hookers are off limits to you? That is a laugh.[/QUOTE]Do you even live in Thailand?

Sounds odd but prostitute s do get jealous. Happened to me once I had no idea what was going on. First few sessions great then all of a sudden she turned into a Frozen Tuna. Why? Because I took her mortal enemy for a Spin.

We worked it out but then the place closed and she disappeared into the Metaverse.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2721745]LOL. Get by with it if you know them well? Lose face? That is ridiculous. It is your trip, your dick, and your money. Who cares if a hooker gets mad or sad because you decide to pay someone else to fuck? LOL. She told you other hookers are off limits to you? That is a laugh.[/QUOTE]She didn't tell me anything, she's a civvie, but has bargirl friends. If I went with one of her friends, she would still go with me, but probably no GFE.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2721908]Do you even live in Thailand?

Sounds odd but prostitute s do get jealous. Happened to me once I had no idea what was going on. First few sessions great then all of a sudden she turned into a Frozen Tuna. Why? Because I took her mortal enemy for a Spin.

We worked it out but then the place closed and she disappeared into the Metaverse.[/QUOTE]I just had a lady block me on Facebook because I go with too many ladies. Or maybe because she found out I am taking her sister to a resort this week.

[QUOTE=Jay1221;2721809]What are current ongoing LT, ST and BF rates?[/QUOTE]LT - 5 k.

ST - 3 k.

BF - 1 k. This depends on the bar. Some are still only 500. But others are 1500. So I'd say 1 k is average.

Of course, LT and ST can and should be negotiated.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2721908]Do you even live in Thailand?

Sounds odd but prostitute s do get jealous. Happened to me once I had no idea what was going on. First few sessions great then all of a sudden she turned into a Frozen Tuna. Why? Because I took her mortal enemy for a Spin.

We worked it out but then the place closed and she disappeared into the Metaverse.[/QUOTE]He's just trying to show how alpha's should behave. Be a man! LOL.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2721960]LT - 5 k.

ST - 3 k.

BF - 1 k. This depends on the bar. Some are still only 500. But others are 1500. So I'd say 1 k is average.

Of course, LT and ST can and should be negotiated.[/QUOTE]IMHO the amount of girls that want to do long term is getting rarer. Maybe if you have seen them a few times or you do click with them they will be do LT.

Of late every girl I have spoken to has wanted to do ST and in a short time hotel.

The industry just hasn't returned to any normalacy. It is busy Friday and Saturday nights but the rest of the nights it can be a ghost town. Very few customers on the ground and similarly a lot less choice of girls.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2721908]Do you even live in Thailand?

Sounds odd but prostitute s do get jealous. Happened to me once I had no idea what was going on. First few sessions great then all of a sudden she turned into a Frozen Tuna. Why? Because I took her mortal enemy for a Spin.

We worked it out but then the place closed and she disappeared into the Metaverse.[/QUOTE]No idea what living in Thailand has to do with picking up a hooker anywhere. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]. Good you were able to work it out with the hooker. If not, I guess renting another the same way you rented that one was out of the question?

You would have to be a damn fool to be on pins and needles or not enjoy yourself or not do what you want because of how you think someone that you are paying to be with you would feel. I would not even do that with a woman I was not paying. Of course she would be jealous knowing you are giving the money that she wants to a different chick.

It is no wonder that some guys can not get normal relationships or get taken for everything they own by a woman. Grow up and get a spine. Or like SK said be a man not a mouse. Or do you have to wait until the hooker allows it?

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2721972]IMHO the amount of girls that want to do long term is getting rarer. Maybe if you have seen them a few times or you do click with them they will be do LT.

Of late every girl I have spoken to has wanted to do ST and in a short time hotel.

The industry just hasn't returned to any normalacy. It is busy Friday and Saturday nights but the rest of the nights it can be a ghost town. Very few customers on the ground and similarly a lot less choice of girls.[/QUOTE]Watched a Vlogger ride his bike down Soi 6 on Saturday night and he pointed out that there were only 10 - 12 customers in total of all the bars that were open. That means there are a lot of girls sitting around, doing nothing. Similarly, WS was packed with pedestrian tourists. Not sure if they were going into any of the bars though. Tree Town even looks light these days. Could it be the high airfares? The prices quoted above seem to be for WS and go-go's. I'm hearing prices for bar girls is much more reasonable.

I'm booked for early September and plan to make the best of it.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2722077]Watched a Vlogger ride his bike down Soi 6 on Saturday night and he pointed out that there were only 10 - 12 customers in total of all the bars that were open. That means there are a lot of girls sitting around, doing nothing. Similarly, WS was packed with pedestrian tourists. Not sure if they were going into any of the bars though. Tree Town even looks light these days. Could it be the high airfares? The prices quoted above seem to be for WS and go-go's. I'm hearing prices for bar girls is much more reasonable.

I'm booked for early September and plan to make the best of it.[/QUOTE]Hello, it's Low Season.

Its perfectly normal for bars to be empty in July and August. What's unfortunate are the numbers of ladies piling in from Isaan, just as the customers disappear.

September will have increasing numbers of customers.

I'm in Phuket now. Bangla Road is flooded with customers walking down the street, but the bars are empty.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2721908]Do you even live in Thailand?

Sounds odd but prostitute s do get jealous. Happened to me once I had no idea what was going on. First few sessions great then all of a sudden she turned into a Frozen Tuna. Why? Because I took her mortal enemy for a Spin.

We worked it out but then the place closed and she disappeared into the Metaverse.[/QUOTE]Worked it out? How, with a financial inducement, no doubt. Yes, the jealousy is real, so are the tears, and you probably think the orgasms are too! Don't be such a Chumpo. And yes I live in Pattaya too.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2721972]IMHO the amount of girls that want to do long term is getting rarer. Maybe if you have seen them a few times or you do click with them they will be do LT.

Of late every girl I have spoken to has wanted to do ST and in a short time hotel.

.[/QUOTE]It was trending this way even before covid, covid only accelerated the change. Long gone is the GFE that was standard 10+ years ago.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2721960]LT - 5 k.

ST - 3 k.

BF - 1 k. This depends on the bar. Some are still only 500. But others are 1500. So I'd say 1 k is average.

Of course, LT and ST can and should be negotiated.[/QUOTE]I thought people were saying Pattaya is cheaper than Phuket, and Patong.

Those prices, if correct, for a bar girl are way higher than Phuket, and even Bangkok.

They sound more like gogo prices, not bars.

Hello There,

Does anyone know if I-Bar and Insomnia are open or are they still closed?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2722077]Watched a Vlogger ride his bike down Soi 6 on Saturday night and he pointed out that there were only 10 - 12 customers in total of all the bars that were open. That means there are a lot of girls sitting around, doing nothing. Similarly, WS was packed with pedestrian tourists. Not sure if they were going into any of the bars though. Tree Town even looks light these days. Could it be the high airfares? The prices quoted above seem to be for WS and go-go's. I'm hearing prices for bar girls is much more reasonable.

I'm booked for early September and plan to make the best of it.[/QUOTE]I think high airfares and weak economies in western countires and are keeping visitors away. That and of course it is now the low and very rainy season in Thailand. And finally it is a very competitive tourist market while Thailand often shoots itself in the foot with all the BS you have to encounter to have the "privedge of coming here".

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2722300]Does anyone know if I-Bar and Insomnia are open or are they still closed?[/QUOTE]IBar is open. Insomnia is closed.

Hello everybody.

I spent 3 days in Pattaya 3 years ago with a 36 years old girls from isaan.

We get in touch since then but only some Hello, She never asks me money when I was abroad.

I Will land soon in Thailand and I contact her as I will stay 2 weeks. She asks me 1500 bath per day to stay with me I will pay her meals.

Is it a good deal?

Is it fair for me and for her?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2722300]Hello There,

Does anyone know if I-Bar and Insomnia are open or are they still closed?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I bar is open and insomnia is closed. Not sure what happens on weekends though.

Don't see any issue here as long as its mutual. During last leg of my journey, I had a lady which I liked all the time with me for 3 days for almost similar per diem excluding meals and shopping.

Can be further negotiated depending on the number of days she's going to be with you.

-JizzyB.

[QUOTE=LoveEastAsia;2722377]Hello everybody.

I spent 3 days in Pattaya 3 years ago with a 36 years old girls from isaan.

We get in touch since then but only some Hello, She never asks me money when I was abroad.

I Will land soon in Thailand and I contact her as I will stay 2 weeks. She asks me 1500 bath per day to stay with me I will pay her meals.

Is it a good deal?

Is it fair for me and for her?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoveEastAsia;2722377]Hello everybody.

I spent 3 days in Pattaya 3 years ago with a 36 years old girls from isaan.

We get in touch since then but only some Hello, She never asks me money when I was abroad.

I Will land soon in Thailand and I contact her as I will stay 2 weeks. She asks me 1500 bath per day to stay with me I will pay her meals.

Is it a good deal?

Is it fair for me and for her?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]For me the deal is good for one week or less with you.

After the first week I would propose a global amount for all the remaining days.

And of course all the expenses (food, drinks, entertainment, transportation) are for you.

Many years ago (8) I paid 1200 + barfine for each day (and ladydrinks some days) for a VLT of 6 days.

Now I don't do VLT because I prefer to be alone by the day. And because I am butterfly.

[QUOTE=LoveEastAsia;2722377]We get in touch since then but only some Hello, She never asks me money when I was abroad.

I Will land soon in Thailand and I contact her as I will stay 2 weeks. She asks me 1500 bath per day to stay with me I will pay her meals.

Is it a good deal?[/QUOTE]Tell her better 1000. I have never had a chick ask me to send money when I was not in Thailand. As I have reported before most chicks that I talk to that have received money say it is guys volunteering or insisting to do this, not them asking.

[QUOTE=LoveEastAsia;2722377]Hello everybody.

I spent 3 days in Pattaya 3 years ago with a 36 years old girls from isaan.

We get in touch since then but only some Hello, She never asks me money when I was abroad.

I Will land soon in Thailand and I contact her as I will stay 2 weeks. She asks me 1500 bath per day to stay with me I will pay her meals.

Is it a good deal?

Is it fair for me and for her?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I bet you can go even lower. I'm channeling my Mr E.

36 and hot or 36 and fugly with 4 children?

Context always Matters.

I've tried to look around for a map of street names with their 'slang' names. IE, first, second, third road are well known. I (am fairly sure) know where Soi Pothole is, but there are other names like Soi BJ, Honey. A few others which I can't recall, that I haven't been able to place on a map.

Is there any kind of map or what have you that lists the actual street names with their slang names?

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2722561]Is there any kind of map or what have you that lists the actual street names with their slang names?[/QUOTE]Here you go. Not sure ISG is going to preserve the resolution for you to read it.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2722282]I thought people were saying Pattaya is cheaper than Phuket, and Patong.

Those prices, if correct, for a bar girl are way higher than Phuket, and even Bangkok.

They sound more like gogo prices, not bars.[/QUOTE]I think SK was quoting typical Walking Street gogo prices.

Tree Town prices in March were:

BF 300 - 600 but varies considerably from bar to bar. A few were as high as 1000, others had a two-tier BF depending on whether you were taking a girl for ST or LT. Other bars had a two-tier BF depending what time of night you took a girl. Very little consistency.

In March, ST in Tree Town was 1000 - 2000. The prettiest girl I saw in Tree Town quoted me 2 K ST (the same price as a gogo girl from Crystal Club). Both came down 500 immediately. But most girls are 1. 5 K. One nice girl in French Kiss quoted me just 1000.

LT prices varied too. The prettiest girls ask for 3 K but immediately accept 2000 - 2500. One pretty girl in French Kiss stayed with me LT 1500.

Collect Line details though and you can probably deduct another 500 off the prices.

Also worth pointing out that prices are not fixed and there are many variables, like the quality of girl, the time of night, or even whether she needs a customer because she makes so much money from ladydrinks etc. One lovely girl quoted me a frankly ridiculous 1000ST but a week later quoted my friend 2000. When I asked her why she said because she liked my smile and I was wearing a nice shirt!

DISCLAIMER: The prices quoted above are prices I experienced during my holiday in March. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that seasoned pro's like Mr Enternational can secure the services of Thai models for 400 LT on Beach Road.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2722561]Is there any kind of map or what have you that lists the actual street names with their slang names?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2645392]Here are some of the more prevalent ones. I only named the ones where there were / are some bars. There are many more!

Soi Pattayasaisong 13 is Soi Diana.
Soi 6 is Soi Dirty Street aka Soi Yodsak aka Soi Half a Dozen
Soi Bongkoch 8 is Soi Full love inn.
Soi Boomerang is an L shaped soi at Soi Buakhao and Buakahow 15.
Soi Chaleom Phrakiat 23 is Soi xZyte.
Soi Chaleom Phrakiat 25 aka Soi Chaiyapoon aka Soi Pothole aka Soi Bumpy.
Soi Pattayasaisong 11 is Soi Honey.
Soi 13/1 is Soi Yamato.
Soi 13/2 is Soi Post Office.
Soi 16 is Soi Arab.
Soi New Plaza is Soi Cheap Charlie aka Soi 30 baht.
Soi Sukhumvitpattaya 46/3 is Soi Batman. I mention this one because it's where Telephone Booth is.[/QUOTE]Thanks to Banana Boi for the answer, I sure didn't know all of them.

Then of course, Beach Road = Coconut Bar.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2722578]Thanks to Banana Boi for the answer, I sure didn't know all of them.[/QUOTE]Brilliant, thank you.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2722595]Then of course, Beach Road = Coconut Bar.[/QUOTE]Soi 6. 1 = Cockatoo Alley?

[QUOTE=Blackbiro;2722122]Worked it out? How, with a financial inducement, no doubt. Yes, the jealousy is real, so are the tears, and you probably think the orgasms are too! Don't be such a Chumpo. And yes I live in Pattaya too.[/QUOTE]If you barfine the friend of a bargirl, the first bargirl will act frostily for a while. It's an act, yes.

If you give her enough money, the act will change from frosty to hot. That's an act, too.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2722574]I think SK was quoting typical Walking Street gogo prices.

Tree Town prices in March were:

BF 300 - 600 but varies considerably from bar to bar. A few were as high as 1000, others had a two-tier BF depending on whether you were taking a girl for ST or LT. Other bars had a two-tier BF depending what time of night you took a girl. Very little consistency.

In March, ST in Tree Town was 1000 - 2000. The prettiest girl I saw in Tree Town quoted me 2 K ST (the same price as a gogo girl from Crystal Club). Both came down 500 immediately. But most girls are 1. 5 K. One nice girl in French Kiss quoted me just 1000.

LT prices varied too. The prettiest girls ask for 3 K but immediately accept 2000 - 2500. One pretty girl in French Kiss stayed with me LT 1500.

Collect Line details though and you can probably deduct another 500 off the prices.

Also worth pointing out that prices are not fixed and there are many variables, like the quality of girl, the time of night, or even whether she needs a customer because she makes so much money from ladydrinks etc. One lovely girl quoted me a frankly ridiculous 1000ST but a week later quoted my friend 2000. When I asked her why she said because she liked my smile and I was wearing a nice shirt!

DISCLAIMER: The prices quoted above are prices I experienced during my holiday in March. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that seasoned pro's like Mr Enternational can secure the services of Thai models for 400 LT on Beach Road.[/QUOTE]Disclaimer on Disclaimer.

I do have Doubts on claims of aforementioned person.

Quick question for the bucks on the ground at the moment, in particular if you have been in both Phuket and Pattaya of late.

Across a few different forums, it sounds like a mixed bag in Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya with a lot of girls not returning the bars and gogo's just yet?

Curious to get some insight from you guys on the ground. If you had just two weeks, which town are you hitting up at the moment? Esp if you tend towards the gogo's rather than the beer bars. It seems like prices at the gogo's in Pattaya have trended up, is the quality there too though or is it still lagging post Covid? Have not been back to Phuket for 5-6 years now. Looks like I have a gap in August for a few weeks before I head to Brazil.

Would appreciate some insight.

I just come back Europe after 1 full month in Thailand! I stayed only 1 week in Pattaya and I was very disappointed by the girls in the gogos or beer bars! 90 % of the girls right now in Pattaya look ugly!

Only few look nice and you need to walk a lot all over Pattaya to find them! But I don't complain. In fact the most lovely girls I fucked were not hookers and I met them in North of Thailand and in Bangkok and they have normal job.

In Pattaya, I was happy to fucked again after 2 years pandemia my regular girls like Pony! She's always happy see me and she loves to fuck!

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2722674]Disclaimer on Disclaimer.

I do have Doubts on claims of aforementioned person.[/QUOTE]I spent a week in Pattaya last month, and went to Tree town on several occasions. My experience was the same as SirLancelot.

My personal pick would be Pattaya. Less crowded and less expensive. Also, a lot to offer on the table in every aspect.

Yes bars are partially empty and some of them are yet to open up but variety of ladies available at your disposal.

Enjoy.

JizzyB.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2722759]Quick question for the bucks on the ground at the moment, in particular if you have been in both Phuket and Pattaya of late.

Across a few different forums, it sounds like a mixed bag in Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya with a lot of girls not returning the bars and gogo's just yet?

Curious to get some insight from you guys on the ground. If you had just two weeks, which town are you hitting up at the moment? Esp if you tend towards the gogo's rather than the beer bars. It seems like prices at the gogo's in Pattaya have trended up, is the quality there too though or is it still lagging post Covid? Have not been back to Phuket for 5-6 years now. Looks like I have a gap in August for a few weeks before I head to Brazil.

Would appreciate some insight.[/QUOTE]

Interesting piece of information. Thanks much.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2645392]Here are some of the more prevalent ones. I only named the ones where there were / are some bars. There are many more!

Soi Pattayasaisong 13 is Soi Diana.
Soi 6 is Soi Dirty Street aka Soi Yodsak aka Soi Half a Dozen
Soi Bongkoch 8 is Soi Full love inn.
Soi Boomerang is an L shaped soi at Soi Buakhao and Buakahow 15.
Soi Chaleom Phrakiat 23 is Soi xZyte.
Soi Chaleom Phrakiat 25 aka Soi Chaiyapoon aka Soi Pothole aka Soi Bumpy.
Soi Pattayasaisong 11 is Soi Honey.
Soi 13/1 is Soi Yamato.
Soi 13/2 is Soi Post Office.
Soi 16 is Soi Arab.
Soi New Plaza is Soi Cheap Charlie aka Soi 30 baht.
Soi Sukhumvitpattaya 46/3 is Soi Batman. I mention this one because it's where Telephone Booth is.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2722834]I just come back Europe after 1 full month in Thailand! I stayed only 1 week in Pattaya and I was very disappointed by the girls in the gogos or beer bars! 90 % of the girls right now in Pattaya look ugly!

Only few look nice and you need to walk a lot all over Pattaya to find them! But I don't complain. In fact the most lovely girls I fucked were not hookers and I met them in North of Thailand and in Bangkok and they have normal job.

In Pattaya, I was happy to fucked again after 2 years pandemia my regular girls like Pony! She's always happy see me and she loves to fuck![/QUOTE]I keep saying it but Pattaya is not the land of Thai Beauties.

Sure you might find a Hot one at a Banana stand who will go LT for 500 baht. Can you say Outlier?

Pre Covid it was full of old and ugly. Can't see why it would be any different Post covid.

Would you be rushing back to work knowing it's wall to wall Indians?

P.S. You tubers will tell you Pattaya is Back. Most of them own Bars. They employ the aged and unsightly girls.

See the issue.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2722300]Hello There,

Does anyone know if I-Bar and Insomnia are open or are they still closed?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Both are open since this weekend. But the audience is different Few weeks back iBar was crowded with 40+ year old birds.

Pattaya is still NOT back to normal. Not even close. So a LOT of ugly and / or old chicks. Not that many hot / young once.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2722958]Sure you might find a Hot one at a Banana stand who will go LT for 500 baht. Can you say Outlier?[/QUOTE]Aka unicorn and always welcome.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2722958]P.S. You tubers will tell you Pattaya is Back. Most of them own Bars. They employ the aged and unsightly girls.

See the issue.[/QUOTE]Absolutely, and they put out a done of propaganda. P.S. The freelancer scene is best I've ever seen it.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2722958]I keep saying it but Pattaya is not the land of Thai Beauties.

Sure you might find a Hot one at a Banana stand who will go LT for 500 baht. Can you say Outlier?

Pre Covid it was full of old and ugly. Can't see why it would be any different Post covid.

Would you be rushing back to work knowing it's wall to wall Indians?

P.S. You tubers will tell you Pattaya is Back. Most of them own Bars. They employ the aged and unsightly girls.

See the issue.[/QUOTE]In fact what I like in Pattaya is it's good to go there for 4 days. After it starts to be boring. Yes it's very difficult to find sexy ladies, but if you walk a lot and if have time, you ll always find 1 beauty in a day. Just need to find! And I always go Pattaya because girls never ask condoms!

I'm sure if you're regular in thailand for 10 years, we all fuck the same sexy girls from Soi 6 or Tree Town or WS or anywhereelse in Pattaya.

Pony I met her on Soi 6 in Pasion Bar many years ago and she s now free lance!

Nam who is now in pattaya and I met too in Soi 6 and she changed many times bar.

Jum I met on Tinder then who was in Shark Club and now in Club 4. Jum is very obssessed with money but if you pay 3000 you can fuck her! She go with everybody.

I like to share my girls with my friends!

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2722958]I keep saying it but Pattaya is not the land of Thai Beauties.

Sure you might find a Hot one at a Banana stand who will go LT for 500 baht. Can you say Outlier?

Pre Covid it was full of old and ugly. Can't see why it would be any different Post covid.

Would you be rushing back to work knowing it's wall to wall Indians?

P.S. You tubers will tell you Pattaya is Back. Most of them own Bars. They employ the aged and unsightly girls.

See the issue.[/QUOTE]"Would you be rushing back to work knowing it's wall to wall Indians?

LOL, brutal quote.

There's been talk here lately about the cost of bar-fines, short-time and long-time, so I thought it might be useful to include some prices with photos. These are a small selection of the girls I bar-fined in March. I've blurred their faces to protect their innocence, but hopefully you'll still get an idea. The prices I paid were:

1 (leopard). BF300 LT1500 (beer bar on Tree Town).

2 (dance). BF600 LT2500 (beer bar on Tree Town).

3 (selfie). BF400 LT2500 (beer bar on Tree Town). This is the girl I wrote about in my last post, one of the prettiest girls I saw on the entire trip.

4 (denim shorts). BF300 LT1500 (beer bar on Tree Town).

5 (cruella). BF300 ST1000 (beer bar on Tree Town at closing time).

6 (bed). BF800 ST1500 (gogo bar on Soi LK Metro). You'll notice the bar-fine at gogos is higher but the ST / LT prices are the same as the beer-bars.

As I said in my previous post, if you collect Line details from the girls, you can expect to pay less the next time you arrange to meet her.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2723350]These are a small selection of the girls I bar-fined in March.[/QUOTE]Chumpo wants to know why you would barfine such hideous women. I do not think he would let those chicks pay him to even kiss him on the cheek. According to him, nobody should go to Pattaya until the city has the kind of women he likes.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2723160]Pattaya is still NOT back to normal. Not even close. So a LOT of ugly and / or old chicks. Not that many hot / young once.[/QUOTE]I read that before, in a post in 2005.

What happens is that, during a prolonged absence from Thailand, memories of the old ugly chicks fades, and one only remembers the good ones.

Yesterday, I had a lady visit my condo, and she gave me a BBBJ. I was curious how long she would go if I didn't cum, so I held back.

She worked it for at least 30 minutes on my sofa. After that, she ordered me into the bedroom to finish me off.

There are some ladies who love to do BBBJ. And the CIM afterwards. Maybe its work ethic, maybe it's a fetish.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2723350]There's been talk here lately about the cost of bar-fines, short-time and long-time, so I thought it might be useful to include some prices with photos. These are a small selection of the girls I bar-fined in March. I've blurred their faces to protect their innocence, but hopefully you'll still get an idea. The prices I paid were:

1 (leopard). BF300 LT1500 (beer bar on Tree Town).

2 (dance). BF600 LT2500 (beer bar on Tree Town).

3 (selfie). BF400 LT2500 (beer bar on Tree Town). This is the girl I wrote about in my last post, one of the prettiest girls I saw on the entire trip.

4 (denim shorts). BF300 LT1500 (beer bar on Tree Town).

5 (cruella). BF300 ST1000 (beer bar on Tree Town at closing time).

6 (bed). BF800 ST1500 (gogo bar on Soi LK Metro). You'll notice the bar-fine at gogos is higher but the ST / LT prices are the same as the beer-bars.

As I said in my previous post, if you collect Line details from the girls, you can expect to pay less the next time you arrange to meet her.[/QUOTE]This is the more realistic price people will pay. The prices I listed were their ASKING price at the gogos at WS. Soi 6 will be a little cheaper. And TreeTown is cheaper than Soi 6. But my personal belief is that your selection gets worse as well (with a few exceptions). I think generally, the prettier ladies will work in the gogos, less pretty ladies in Soi 6, and even less pretties in TreeTown. As such, I never BF'd from TreeTown. I BF'd a couple girls from Soi 6. And did most of my BFing (kind of) in WS / Thai clubs. But I was able to negotiate about 2000 for most LTs without needing to pay BF at WS. I did this by getting their Lines, meeting them after shop closed. We'd then go to some club or sometimes directly to my condo. Some would leave first thing in the morning at 8 AM. Others would stay until 10 AM or 12 PM.

In Soi 6, I did ST with one of the most popular girls for 1500 and 400 BF (room was upstairs). I think the girls usually ask for 2000 at Soi 6. Most are willing to take 1000. Some of the more popular girls won't take less than 1500. YMMV and depends on your negotiation skills.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2723230]In fact what I like in Pattaya is it's good to go there for 4 days. After it starts to be boring. Yes it's very difficult to find sexy ladies, but if you walk a lot and if have time, you ll always find 1 beauty in a day. Just need to find! And I always go Pattaya because girls never ask condoms!

I'm sure if you're regular in thailand for 10 years, we all fuck the same sexy girls from Soi 6 or Tree Town or WS or anywhereelse in Pattaya.

Pony I met her on Soi 6 in Pasion Bar many years ago and she s now free lance!

Nam who is now in pattaya and I met too in Soi 6 and she changed many times bar.

Jum I met on Tinder then who was in Shark Club and now in Club 4. Jum is very obssessed with money but if you pay 3000 you can fuck her! She go with everybody.[/QUOTE]The girl in green dress with tattoos all over is a bombshell man! She ticks all the boxes for me. Does she provide anal?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2721534]
Any coffee places you gents like that are priced fairly?[/QUOTE]The Beergarden at the south end of Beach Road has a large coffee for about 70-75 baht.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2722759]Quick question for the bucks on the ground at the moment, in particular if you have been in both Phuket and Pattaya of late.

Across a few different forums, it sounds like a mixed bag in Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya with a lot of girls not returning the bars and gogo's just yet?

Curious to get some insight from you guys on the ground. If you had just two weeks, which town are you hitting up at the moment? Esp if you tend towards the gogo's rather than the beer bars. It seems like prices at the gogo's in Pattaya have trended up, is the quality there too though or is it still lagging post Covid? Have not been back to Phuket for 5-6 years now. Looks like I have a gap in August for a few weeks before I head to Brazil.

Would appreciate some insight.[/QUOTE]I just came back from a week in Phuket and a couple of days in Bangkok. I live in Pattaya. Phuket is a pretty small selection of Gogo bars, but I have to say Suzy Wongs is up there in the top 5 gogos in all of Thailand. Unfortunately the crowd in Patong at the moment is horrible. I won't comment on the race or nationality but I won't be going back in a hurry. Even going to the gym was an unpleasant experience. Bangkok is always great fun. Really good crowd in Crazy House, but some miserable looking women in a lot of the bars and a pretty thin crowd. Pattaya wins hands down for me. The sheer number of gogo bars is hard to beat. Some favourites at the moment include Lady Love and I've been having great fun in High Rollers. It's not really a gogo bar but it's not far off! Enjoy your trip wherever you go!

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2722958]…

Would you be rushing back to work knowing it's wall to wall Indians?

...[/QUOTE]OMG. So funny but so true! Rofl.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2723350]There's been talk here lately about the cost of bar-fines, short-time and long-time, so I thought it might be useful to include some prices with photos. These are a small selection of the girls I bar-fined in March. I've blurred their faces to protect their innocence, but hopefully you'll still get an idea. The prices I paid were:

1 (leopard). BF300 LT1500 (beer bar on Tree Town).

2 (dance). BF600 LT2500 (beer bar on Tree Town).

3 (selfie). BF400 LT2500 (beer bar on Tree Town). This is the girl I wrote about in my last post, one of the prettiest girls I saw on the entire trip.

4 (denim shorts). BF300 LT1500 (beer bar on Tree Town).

5 (cruella). BF300 ST1000 (beer bar on Tree Town at closing time).

6 (bed). BF800 ST1500 (gogo bar on Soi LK Metro). You'll notice the bar-fine at gogos is higher but the ST / LT prices are the same as the beer-bars.

As I said in my previous post, if you collect Line details from the girls, you can expect to pay less the next time you arrange to meet her.[/QUOTE]Sir, thanks for your report and the pics. Notwithstanding the blurred faces, you have good taste in women!

ST and LT prices seem lower than what I am seeing for Phuket. I've been harvesting girls in the last month for a trip in August. I only do LT so I've been quoted between 3000 to 6000 for LT.

3rd & 6th one looks nice.

And I always go Pattaya because girls never ask condoms. Risky for me to tread in unknown waters.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2723230]In fact what I like in Pattaya is it's good to go there for 4 days. After it starts to be boring. Yes it's very difficult to find sexy ladies, but if you walk a lot and if have time, you ll always find 1 beauty in a day. Just need to find! And I always go Pattaya because girls never ask condoms!

I'm sure if you're regular in thailand for 10 years, we all fuck the same sexy girls from Soi 6 or Tree Town or WS or anywhereelse in Pattaya.

Pony I met her on Soi 6 in Pasion Bar many years ago and she s now free lance!

Nam who is now in pattaya and I met too in Soi 6 and she changed many times bar.

Jum I met on Tinder then who was in Shark Club and now in Club 4. Jum is very obssessed with money but if you pay 3000 you can fuck her! She go with everybody.

I like to share my girls with my friends![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2723600]3rd & 6th one looks nice.

And I always go Pattaya because girls never ask condoms. Risky for me to tread in unknown waters.[/QUOTE]I also prefer BBFS.

Do the pattaya girls use birth control? Pill or IUD

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2723600]3rd & 6th one looks nice.

And I always go Pattaya because girls never ask condoms. Risky for me to tread in unknown waters.[/QUOTE]I think nobody use condoms in Pattaya anymore! Last week I was on 2nd road in a massage place. There was only 1 lady sexy whose name is Noï ! She proposed me a oil massage for 300 bahts! I didn't know what to expect! We go upstairs, there were 6 beds for massage only separated by curtains. She told me to be totally naked! She started to make a good normal massage! It was really good and relaxing! Then she asked to turn on the back, and she took my cock and told me if I pay 500 more she'll do me a blowjob! Then I told her I prefer fuck her! She told me she can't fuck now because there were too much customers in the room! Like I said, there were only curtains to separate the beds! And she says me she can come my hotel room when she finish work! I said OK, then she started to do me a handjob and I was really horny. Then I stand up and I started to kiss her, and touch her tits and her ass. She told me "Please not here. Later in room" !

I decided to give her directly 1000 and she let me still kiss her! And I asked to fuck her just 5 minutes because I felt good! She told me OK but asked me to be quiet! Then I put her on the bed, she lay on the bed and Licked her pussy during 5 good minutes and she loved that! But she wanted absolutely be quiet! Then I kissed her again, and I fucked her in missionary without condom! She never asked me any condom! And I was so horny, I came inside her pussy in less 5 minutes. She was little bit angry I came inside, but I told her if she come in my hotel after work for all night I ll give her 3000 more and then she was totally OK for everything!

She came my hotel around 11 h30 pm and we fucked till 4 am. And she was very happy!

Thre is another girl whose name is Mei I met on Thaifriendly very sexy, she asked me 1500 for ST. I asked directly if it's possible to fuck without condom. She told me OK for 2000. Of course I was OK. She arrived on time, and it was great sex!

In tree town I went to new bar Angels & Monsters and again there was a nice sexy lady who is 19 and another one was 27, they never asked me any condom!

And my friends who are in Pattaya all the time fuck a lot too and never use condoms!

Now in Thailand, Cambodia and Philippines, condoms totally disappear! Girls are more scared of Covid!

Hmmm. This is odd. I went with 2 ladies the other day (not at the same time), and both tried to finger fuck my ass. I guess I should have tried that on them.

Maybe they had gay Thai husbands.

The second one woke up in the morning with blood on the sheets, her period started during the night.

Today, I went to Koh Samui with a lady from Pattaya. Unlike last year, lots of bars here are open, but it seems best to bring your own lady.

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2723600]3rd & 6th one looks nice.

And I always go Pattaya because girls never ask condoms. Risky for me to tread in unknown waters.[/QUOTE]That no-condom thing will catch up to you someday.

That's not to say that I use condoms 100%. Occasionally, there will be a situation where there isn't a condom available, and I don't want to go to 7/11. But it's a matter of probabilities.

And there are some ladies who I would never fuck without a condom. Or maybe fuck at all, given their choice of customers.

Coming to Pattaya next week, wanted to check with the knowledgeable folks of this. Forum about the best beer bars to visit. I normally avoid go go s and prefer Soi 6 and beer bars where you can spend some time without getting ripped off. RTFF and saw some action around tree town which is new to me. I believe some good ones near LK metro area.

I do appreciate any inputs from this helpful forum.

WJ.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2723670]Now in Thailand, Cambodia and Philippines, condoms totally disappear! Girls are more scared of Covid![/QUOTE]That is so true.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2723350]There's been talk here lately about the cost of bar-fines, short-time and long-time, so I thought it might be useful to include some prices with photos. These are a small selection of the girls I bar-fined in March. I've blurred their faces to protect their innocence, but hopefully you'll still get an idea. The prices I paid were:

1 (leopard). BF300 LT1500 (beer bar on Tree Town).

2 (dance). BF600 LT2500 (beer bar on Tree Town).

3 (selfie). BF400 LT2500 (beer bar on Tree Town). This is the girl I wrote about in my last post, one of the prettiest girls I saw on the entire trip.

4 (denim shorts). BF300 LT1500 (beer bar on Tree Town).

5 (cruella). BF300 ST1000 (beer bar on Tree Town at closing time)..[/QUOTE]Protect their innocence?

5555.

What a laugh.

It is to stop guys cutting your lunch.

That's also I guess why you posted girls that are for all intents and purposes "historical".

Less than half of them, if that, would still be in the same area some 3-4 months later as it is now.

And my last comment is also relevant with respect to prices.

Prices 3-4 months ago are now also very much likely historical.

Pattaya was pretty much difficult for tourists then, ThaiPass, testing, etc.

Things are very much different now in respect to ability to get into Pattaya.

So expect pricing to reflect that change, as I very much found it had in Bangkok earlier this month.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2723230]In fact what I like in Pattaya is it's good to go there for 4 days. After it starts to be boring. Yes it's very difficult to find sexy ladies, but if you walk a lot and if have time, you ll always find 1 beauty in a day. Just need to find! And I always go Pattaya because girls never ask condoms!

I'm sure if you're regular in thailand for 10 years, we all fuck the same sexy girls from Soi 6 or Tree Town or WS or anywhereelse in Pattaya.

Pony I met her on Soi 6 in Pasion Bar many years ago and she s now free lance!

Nam who is now in pattaya and I met too in Soi 6 and she changed many times bar.

Jum I met on Tinder then who was in Shark Club and now in Club 4. Jum is very obssessed with money but if you pay 3000 you can fuck her! She go with everybody.

I like to share my girls with my friends![/QUOTE]And I'm not having a go at Pattaya, or doing a comparison between places, but.

The OP says here that the girls just stay around Pattaya moving between the bars, and everyone meets them.

That's not what I want, not what I look for.

Give me fresh newbies any day over this.

And newbies in my experience and opinion, pretty much more frequently arrive anywhere else but Pattaya and Bangkok.

Hua Hin, Koh Samui, Chaing Mai, Phuket (away from Bangla), and elsewhere.

I also like to share my newbies with my friends.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2723764]That no-condom thing will catch up to you someday.

That's not to say that I use condoms 100%. Occasionally, there will be a situation where there isn't a condom available, and I don't want to go to 7/11. But it's a matter of probabilities.

And there are some ladies who I would never fuck without a condom. Or maybe fuck at all, given their choice of customers.[/QUOTE]Yep. I hardly ever bareback out here and I caught a mean case of the clap from a gogo girl. When I messaged her about it. She was pretty nonchalant about it and says it happens.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2723875]
So expect pricing to reflect that change, as I very much found it had in Bangkok earlier this month.[/QUOTE]What are the current ST pricing in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2723875]Protect their innocence?

5555.

What a laugh.

It is to stop guys cutting your lunch.[/QUOTE]It was just a tongue-in-cheek expression. I used to include photos of girls with clear face pics but after posting a diary of a few weeks in Angeles, some guy from ISG decided to go in to each of the bars I mentioned and find the girls to tell them I'd written about them. I presume he was trying to be their knight in shining armour. One of the girls messaged me and was fuming. She said she had to leave the bar because she felt so humiliated, despite the fact what I'd written was quite tame (and very complimentary). She said she was embarrassed that all of the other girls in the bar read it but I argued that all of the other girls in the bar do exactly the same every night with other customers. Despite the fact I couldn't understand her logic, I felt bad. I bumped in to another girl the year after in LA Cafe and she was off with me too, despite the fact I'd called her 'Blowjob Queen' and quite possibly helped send a few more customers her way! So now I blur the girls faces.

As for the cutting my lunch comment, I like to find new girls, not go with the same ones over and over.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2723732]…
Today, I went to Koh Samui with a lady from Pattaya. Unlike last year, lots of bars here are open, but it seems best to bring your own lady.[/QUOTE]I'm visiting Samui next week. A couple of TF girls have told me many tourists. So does "bring your own lady" mean it is hard to find a girl because there are many tourists now?

[QUOTE=WarJunkie;2723816]Coming to Pattaya next week, wanted to check with the knowledgeable folks of this. Forum about the best beer bars to visit. [/QUOTE]Nobody here knows your idea of best. It seems many guys here are complaining that there are no customers (male) in a bar full of chicks. Well for me best is a bar full of chicks with me as the only customer. I would not complain about other guys not being there.

Is there any app that is being used for hunting. Not sure if that's true, can some kind souls share the details. Best, Sandy.

Hahaha. Hopefully not so soon: the.

In fact during my trip, I have been lured into unprotected sex numerous time but thanks to my will, I didn't cave in.

Glad that I bought condoms in large quantities so I didn't run out of them: the.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2723764]That no-condom thing will catch up to you someday.

That's not to say that I use condoms 100%. Occasionally, there will be a situation where there isn't a condom available, and I don't want to go to 7/11. But it's a matter of probabilities.

And there are some ladies who I would never fuck without a condom. Or maybe fuck at all, given their choice of customers.[/QUOTE]

Seems you had amazing time effing nice chicks around: the.

Unfortunately, yes that is the rampant scene in Pattaya. But I didn't let my dick rule over my mind no matter how horny I'm and used protection every time: the.

Not trying to be a saint or something but just a matter of preference.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2723670]I think nobody use condoms in Pattaya anymore! Last week I was on 2nd road in a massage place. There was only 1 lady sexy whose name is No ! She proposed me a oil massage for 300 bahts! I didn't know what to expect! We go upstairs, there were 6 beds for massage only separated by curtains. She told me to be totally naked! She started to make a good normal massage! It was really good and relaxing! Then she asked to turn on the back, and she took my cock and told me if I pay 500 more she'll do me a blowjob! Then I told her I prefer fuck her! She told me she can't fuck now because there were too much customers in the room! Like I said, there were only curtains to separate the beds! And she says me she can come my hotel room when she finish work! I said OK, then she started to do me a handjob and I was really horny. Then I stand up and I started to kiss her, and touch her tits and her ass. She told me "Please not here. Later in room" ![/QUOTE]

I'm sure it works for you every time.

I guess they do use contraceptive pills, at least I've seen pink colored strips in purses of few ladies: the.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2723633]I also prefer BBFS.

Do the pattaya girls use birth control? Pill or IUD[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2723670]Now in Thailand, Cambodia and Philippines, condoms totally disappear![/QUOTE]Wow, that must be a new thing in Thailand! It sure wasn't that way in April, not even close.

On a related note, it's disappointing to know that punters do BBFSCIP without some assurance that birth control is in use. It's your child, whether you know they exist or not.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2724038]Wow, that must be a new thing in Thailand! It sure wasn't that way in April, not even close.[/QUOTE]Nothing new. I have been saying for years on this very board that this is the case. I have a vasectomy, so having a kid is the one thing I do not have to worry about.

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2724012]I'm sure it works for you every time.

I guess they do use contraceptive pills, at least I've seen pink colored strips in purses of few ladies: the.[/QUOTE]Morning after pills are cheap that and having tubes tied seem to be primary methods they've told me.

[QUOTE=WarJunkie;2723816]Coming to Pattaya next week, wanted to check with the knowledgeable folks of this. Forum about the best beer bars to visit. I normally avoid go go s and prefer Soi 6 and beer bars where you can spend some time without getting ripped off. RTFF and saw some action around tree town which is new to me. I believe some good ones near LK metro area.[/QUOTE]Annie Jacks is one of your best bets in Soi Buakhao area but if you see a girl you like, establish early if she's bar-fineable as some make enough from lady-drinks they don't go with customers. Rest & Chill and Lai in the corner of Tree Town have pretty girls but the latter has a ludicrous 1000 BF. That's not to say you can't swap Line details with one of their girls and meet during the day though. French Kiss in Tree Town is popular later at night because it has a dance floor and, speaking of dancing, Beach Club in the middle of tree town is a nightclub with freelancers and entry is free. I didn't establish prices because I took a gogo girl there instead. Speaking of gogos, Queen on LK Metro seems to be stocked with the prettiest selection of girls at the moment, Crystal Club is usually a good bet and Sugar Sugar is also worth visiting.

But my recommendation would just be to walk along soi Buakhao and loop around Tree Town until you see a girl you like the look of. Even in the quiet bars you can find a gem. Joy Bar, Blue Sky Bar and Avatar are always worth stopping at for a drink and give an ideal spot to see girls walking along the street.

On a sidenote, if you like soi 6 and not being ripped off, consider exploring the gents clubs. They have identical pricing to soi 6 (300 for a room, 1000 for the girl) and beer is usually cheap with 2-for-1 offers and suchlike. Some of the the gents clubs on Soi Pothole had nice looking girls outside and there are loads of GCs on soi Boomerang.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2724038]Wow, that must be a new thing in Thailand! It sure wasn't that way in April, not even close.

On a related note, it's disappointing to know that punters do BBFSCIP without some assurance that birth control is in use. It's your child, whether you know they exist or not.[/QUOTE]Yes, that "condoms have totally disappeared in Thailand" memo seems not to have landed on the desks of many if not most of the Freelancers and go-go girls I've met and negotiated with right up to yesterday.

I just spent too much time going back and forth with a TF freelancer who begged me to meet her, showed me her bank statement with 0 baht in it, said she had no money and no food.

I charitably offered to meet her for 1500ST or 2500 LT, up to her, but that I did need bb, but had a vasectomy and a recent clean blood check document to show if she wants to see it, etc.

She immediately launched into a hardball quote of 6000 for a 1 hour ST if no condom.

Back and forth, settled on a lower amount and more time but all of that was a waste of time. It turned out this starving, no money (did I mention deaf?) Thai FL was not going to have sex with me without a condom for any amount of money or lifetime financial support.

Next. And next. And next. I guess they just didn't get the memo. Unless their greater fear of Covid manifests itself by their refusing to meet for any sex at all. In which case, condoms might as well disappear in Thailand I suppose.

Very helpful suggestions, I do appreciate your inputs Sir Lance! Khap Kun kha.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2724089]Annie Jacks is one of your best bets in Soi Buakhao area but if you see a girl you like, establish early if she's bar-fineable as some make enough from lady-drinks they don't go with customers. Rest & Chill and Lai in the corner of Tree Town have pretty girls but the latter has a ludicrous 1000 BF. That's not to say you can't swap Line details with one of their girls and meet during the day though. French Kiss in Tree Town is popular later at night because it has a dance floor and, speaking of dancing, Beach Club in the middle of tree town is a nightclub with freelancers and entry is free. I didn't establish prices because I took a gogo girl there instead. Speaking of gogos, Queen on LK Metro seems to be stocked with the prettiest selection of girls at the moment, Crystal Club is usually a good bet and Sugar Sugar is also worth visiting.

But my recommendation would just be to walk along soi Buakhao and loop around Tree Town until you see a girl you like the look of. Even in the quiet bars you can find a gem. Joy Bar, Blue Sky Bar and Avatar are always worth stopping at for a drink and give an ideal spot to see girls walking along the street.

On a sidenote, if you like soi 6 and not being ripped off, consider exploring the gents clubs. They have identical pricing to soi 6 (300 for a room, 1000 for the girl) and beer is usually cheap with 2-for-1 offers and suchlike. Some of the the gents clubs on Soi Pothole had nice looking girls outside and there are loads of GCs on soi Boomerang.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2723908]I'm visiting Samui next week. A couple of TF girls have told me many tourists. So does "bring your own lady" mean it is hard to find a girl because there are many tourists now?[/QUOTE]I will answer over in the Koh Samui forum.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2723940]Nobody here knows your idea of best. It seems many guys here are complaining that there are no customers (male) in a bar full of chicks. Well for me best is a bar full of chicks with me as the only customer. I would not complain about other guys not being there.[/QUOTE]Trust me, I am not complaining about the lack of customers here in Pattaya.

I do have ladies complaining to me about Pattaya being very quiet.

The only thing that is different about this Low Season is the proliferation of Indian customers. The ladies are all over the map in regards to Indian customers, but more than in the past, they are saying that some Indian customers are good customers and pay well. There still are complaints about Cheap Charlies, though. Freelancers will get 500 baht quotes from Indian customers, although young Farangs will also offer 500 baht at IBar late at night.

Anyway, my dance card is filled through August 8.

No Low Season will ever compare with the Summer of 2021 as the lowest of low seasons. I posted regularly then about the antics of desperate ladies, as the bars were closed, they had zero money, and the Thai boyfriends were mostly gone home. The ladies had very few, if any customers, and they mostly sat in their room all day. I ended with a harem of 30 ladies, coming 3 shifts per day, every day. Since I couldn't fuck them all, I had to ration myself, but try explaining that to a bargirl who is drunk and hasn't been laid for a month. So I posted, and most people didn't believe my stories.

And then bars started opening as restaurants last September, and I was slowly deserted by my harem.

Now they are again short of customers, and I am bombarded with messages from ladies. But it's not the same as last year. Now they are motivated by the need to make money to keep their Thai boyfriend happy.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2724134]I charitably offered to meet her for 1500ST or 2500 LT, up to her, but that I did need bb, but had a vasectomy and a recent clean blood check document to show if she wants to see it, etc.

She immediately launched into a hardball quote of 6000 for a 1 hour ST if no condom.[/QUOTE]Keep telling you that it is something that is just done, not something that is negotiated. And you have explained your reason for negotiating it before. But not once have I told a chick that I wanted that but it always happens. Actually I have never told them that I want anything in particular and stuff just happens. The extent of my negotiation is only on the price and I have not been disappointed yet. YMMV though I guess.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2724134]Yes, that "condoms have totally disappeared in Thailand" memo seems not to have landed on the desks of many if not most of the Freelancers and go-go girls I've met and negotiated with right up to yesterday.[/QUOTE]The same here, most but not all girls insisted on a condom.

For you guys who frequent gogo bars and Soi 6, try some of the Gentlemen's clubs springing up on Soi Chaiyapoon, Soi Boomerang or Soi Bongkot. These are known as closed bars. You can have a lot of fun for small amounts of money.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2724216]The same here, most but not all girls insisted on a condom.[/QUOTE]If you knew the sexual histories of the ladies, you might not fuck them even with a condom.

I was drinking with one lady who told me she went with 6 Indian men in one session. Talk about killing the vibe.

Tomorrow night, I have 2 ladies coming to my condo who specifically requested that each other come. Their usual MO when they drink tequila is to get shitfaced drunk and fuck each other. No idea what they will do tomorrow.

Fortunately, they do pay some attention to me in the middle of their groping and licking.

I have the opinion that lady-lady relations in Thailand are looked down upon. Nobody minds if a lady goes with a Tomboy, but if a lady goes with another lady, that's a no-no.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2724252]If you knew the sexual histories of the ladies, you might not fuck them even with a condom.

I was drinking with one lady who told me she went with 6 Indian men in one session. Talk about killing the vibe.[/QUOTE]That is fucking disgusting. I presume she was well paid. I sessioned with a beautiful girl in Puerto Vallarta. She confided in me that she spent 3-4 days at a rental beach house with several other girls. The hosts were 6 Persians from LA. Basically 24/7 fucking. I wish she didn't tell me that!

How would you rate her physical appearance between 0 and 10?

Sorry if it has been already asked. Usually the girls standing outside of the gogo bars are the prettiest, or at the least they are meant to be to attract more customer. But I've notice that many, if not most, are not available for either ST and LT. Is there any workaround on how to get or at least negotiate with them?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2724208]Keep telling you that it is something that is just done, not something that is negotiated. And you have explained your reason for negotiating it before. But not once have I told a chick that I wanted that but it always happens. Actually I have never told them that I want anything in particular and stuff just happens. The extent of my negotiation is only on the price and I have not been disappointed yet. YMMV though I guess.[/QUOTE]Yes, I still do the "go with the flow" thing every now and then and used to do it a lot here years ago.

Over the past 10 years my general success rate for it "just happening" with the girls I choose runs at about 25% in Bangkok and 0% in Pattaya. That is way too low a success rate to be paying money for what will then turn out to be a likely middling BBBJCIM at best and no sex at all at worst. The math simply does not support the idea. So I negotiate upfront the vast majority of the time.

But I did get a ton of impressive Safety First lectures before they left. Even from some of those 25% success rate girls in Bangkok right before they grudgingly agreed to bareback for more money.

Which, of course, I always find to be highly erotic and stimulating foreplay and not the least bit of a buzzkill.

Uh. Joke.

Thaifriendly, Tinder and Line works perfect.

[QUOTE=SandyBaby;2724000]Is there any app that is being used for hunting. Not sure if that's true, can some kind souls share the details. Best, Sandy.[/QUOTE]

OMG. Hilarious and Unimaginable.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2724252]If you knew the sexual histories of the ladies, you might not fuck them even with a condom.

I was drinking with one lady who told me she went with 6 Indian men in one session. Talk about killing the vibe.[/QUOTE]

Could you please name some of them?

I only know of BadaBing, Pirates which is next to BadaBing and Whisper Lounge located at Rungland.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2724239]For you guys who frequent gogo bars and Soi 6, try some of the Gentlemen's clubs springing up on Soi Chaiyapoon, Soi Boomerang or Soi Bongkot. These are known as closed bars. You can have a lot of fun for small amounts of money.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, one of the ladies I spent time with, also said that she had her tubes tied and insisted me to go BB and plant my seed into her. LOL.

I politely declined and chose the protected way.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2724062]Morning after pills are cheap that and having tubes tied seem to be primary methods they've told me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2724252]If you knew the sexual histories of the ladies, you might not fuck them even with a condom.

I was drinking with one lady who told me she went with 6 Indian men in one session. Talk about killing the vibe.[/QUOTE]Check please!

[QUOTE=SeekingHead;2724439]Check please![/QUOTE]I don't believe that a lady is proud to say she fuck bb with 6 indians men! First Thai ladies hate indian men! They never go with. The only ladies who go with these men are old ladies, not in good health! But you ll never see a young sexy lady from a beer bar or even a gogo going with an idian!

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2724252]If you knew the sexual histories of the ladies, you might not fuck them even with a condom.

I was drinking with one lady who told me she went with 6 Indian men in one session. Talk about killing the vibe.[/QUOTE]It would of not been so bad if you weren't eating her out at the same time! Talk about bad timing!

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2724316]That is fucking disgusting. I presume she was well paid. I sessioned with a beautiful girl in Puerto Vallarta. She confided in me that she spent 3-4 days at a rental beach house with several other girls. The hosts were 6 Persians from LA. Basically 24/7 fucking. I wish she didn't tell me that!

How would you rate her physical appearance between 0 and 10?[/QUOTE]This lady's face is 4, small tits, but a great ass.

Only 24 years old.

Nope, I didn't fuck her. Plus, she told me that she didn't like sex. That's fairly common for younger ladies who work Soi 6, which was her first job in Pattaya.

She was quite happy about going with 6 Indian men, 1000 baht per man, and they finished quickly.

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2724393]Could you please name some of them?

I only know of BadaBing, Pirates which is next to BadaBing and Whisper Lounge located at Rungland.[/QUOTE]Soi Chaiyapoon has Maggie Mays, soi Boomerang and Bongkot have many.

There used to be some on Soi Lengkee.

You go in, pick a lady, and up to you what happens.

[QUOTE=PussyTamer;2724323]Sorry if it has been already asked. Usually the girls standing outside of the gogo bars are the prettiest, or at the least they are meant to be to attract more customer. But I've notice that many, if not most, are not available for either ST and LT. Is there any workaround on how to get or at least negotiate with them?[/QUOTE]You can usually buy a drink for a promotion lady. No guarantees whether she will go to the hotel with you.

Sometimes promotion ladies take the job because its the only bar job their Thai boyfriends will let them do. The Thai boyfriend will often hang around nearby, maybe playing pool, watching the lady.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2724252]If you knew the sexual histories of the ladies, you might not fuck them even with a condom.

I was drinking with one lady who told me she went with 6 Indian men in one session. Talk about killing the vibe.[/QUOTE]I remember the advice I got before my first trip to China many years ago. "If your offered food then take a bite. If you like it, eat more. If you don't like it you are not required to eat anymore. But whatever you do, DON'T ASK!" That means don't ask what it is. Women can be like that. 555.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2724570]I remember the advice I got before my first trip to China many years ago. "If your offered food then take a bite. If you like it, eat more. If you don't like it you are not required to eat anymore. But whatever you do, DON'T ASK!" That means don't ask what it is. Women can be like that. 555.[/QUOTE]Good advice for the no-condom guys.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2724462]I don't believe that a lady is proud to say she fuck bb with 6 indians men! First Thai ladies hate indian men! They never go with. The only ladies who go with these men are old ladies, not in good health! But you ll never see a young sexy lady from a beer bar or even a gogo going with an idian![/QUOTE]On recent trip end last week.

Rainbow 5 customers of all race creeds and colors.

The middle east and Indians were Barfining. They do however go for the Rough looking ones, tattoos silicones, older, less than attractive.

Myth debunked.

The 3 day rule exists for a reason. Most bargirl performance drops considerably by day 3 of a LT barfine. The symptoms:

They don't want to fuck much, if at all, by day 3. Their behavior ranges from mild avoidance to outright refusal or use of a pretext.

They view you as an ATM:

"buy me a lottery ticket".

"buy a drink for this bargirl I met 5 minutes ago".

Or the dreaded 1,000 baht trip to 7/11.

The last day / night, they often just play telephone, talking with their boyfriend, or any number of friends and family.

In other words, as time passes, their performance declines.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2724462]I don't believe that a lady is proud to say she fuck bb with 6 indians men! First Thai ladies hate indian men! They never go with. The only ladies who go with these men are old ladies, not in good health! But you ll never see a young sexy lady from a beer bar or even a gogo going with an idian![/QUOTE]Spoken just like a guy that has never been to any of the several Indian discos on Walking Street. May not see beer bar or gogo girls with them, but there are tons of young sexy ladies filling those discos. Maybe they did not get the word that they are supposed to hate Indian men. Last I check there were no Indian men in Bamboo.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2724216]The same here, most but not all girls insisted on a condom.[/QUOTE]I was in Pattaya a few weeks back. 3 weeks. Only 2 ladies insisted on condom.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2724462]I don't believe that a lady is proud to say she fuck bb with 6 indians men! First Thai ladies hate indian men! They never go with. The only ladies who go with these men are old ladies, not in good health! But you ll never see a young sexy lady from a beer bar or even a gogo going with an idian![/QUOTE]Your information is outdated. It was true before Covid, but things have changed.

Now Indian men represent 50% of Walking Street customers.

Many young Thai ladies go with Indian men.

That isn't to say that there are no Cheap Charlie Indians, but they are being crowded out by Indians who spend money.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2724470]It would of not been so bad if you weren't eating her out at the same time! Talk about bad timing![/QUOTE]I dodged a bullet on that one.

I'll be arriving in Pattaya in a couple weeks and staying for a few weeks. I have stayed at Flipper Lodge previously and it was just fine, but I'm open for recommendations.

My priorities this trip are massage of all types including soapies, BBBJCIM, swimming pools and good foods.

The things I'd like to do include my first time SCUBA diving, renting an ebike to explore and to expand on my personal meditation.

Thank you all for the recent posts with some price updates as far as the bars, gogos and massage.

Oh, I land in Bangkok at 11:30 pm. I've never stayed there at all, but I do read that thread. I'm open for suggestions on how to spend that first evening or else I'll just take a taxi straight to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2724644]Spoken just like a guy that has never been to any of the several Indian discos on Walking Street. May not see beer bar or gogo girls with them, but there are tons of young sexy ladies filling those discos. Maybe they did not get the word that they are supposed to hate Indian men. Last I check there were no Indian men in Bamboo.[/QUOTE]Last I heard, Bamboo Bar is closed.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2724462]I don't believe that a lady is proud to say she fuck bb with 6 indians men! First Thai ladies hate indian men! They never go with. The only ladies who go with these men are old ladies, not in good health! But you ll never see a young sexy lady from a beer bar or even a gogo going with an idian![/QUOTE]So many guys don't get it due to lack of reference info. For a country which invented the Kama Sutra, India is so sexually opressed that guys feel privileged just to see a naked titty. Bring that closer to a guy's dick and he's done in 30 seconds. In Dubai all Indians get discounts from streetwalkers because they know it's a quick job.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2724567]You can usually buy a drink for a promotion lady. No guarantees whether she will go to the hotel with you.

Sometimes promotion ladies take the job because its the only bar job their Thai boyfriends will let them do. The Thai boyfriend will often hang around nearby, maybe playing pool, watching the lady.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tips, I will try to offer a drink and go straight to the question, hopefully it will work.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2724462]I don't believe that a lady is proud to say she fuck bb with 6 indians men! First Thai ladies hate indian men! They never go with. The only ladies who go with these men are old ladies, not in good health! But you ll never see a young sexy lady from a beer bar or even a gogo going with an idian![/QUOTE]You must be a lucky man. Half of the women I have been with end up telling me their life stories after a couple of drinks. Including a lot of crap I don't want to hear. The longer a woman is in the sex business the less she cares about what her client looks like and only worries about how much money they have.

I second you. I was baffled to see super hot chicks go with fat-ass, ugly uncle types men.

Since then my belief on "Money can buy anything" got stronger: the.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2724734]Your information is outdated. It was true before Covid, but things have changed.

Now Indian men represent 50% of Walking Street customers.

Many young Thai ladies go with Indian men.

That isn't to say that there are no Cheap Charlie Indians, but they are being crowded out by Indians who spend money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2724643]The 3 day rule exists for a reason. Most bargirl performance drops considerably by day 3 of a LT barfine. The symptoms:

They don't want to fuck much, if at all, by day 3. [/QUOTE]And guess what. I am not trying to fuck the same chick much, if at all, after 3 days, so my performance would be dropping as well. This pot is not about to call a kettle black.

[QUOTE=Mongering1;2724767]I'll be arriving in Pattaya in a couple weeks and staying for a few weeks. I have stayed at Flipper Lodge previously and it was just fine, but I'm open for recommendations.[/QUOTE]I would change and look for a place on Soi Buakhao. That Flipper Lodge area ain't what it used to be. I had a buddy that stayed at Sunshine a few weeks back. He figured the area would be the same as before. Nope. It is pretty much deserted.

[QUOTE=Mongering1;2724767]The things I'd like to do include my first time SCUBA diving, [/QUOTE]I certainly would not recommend doing your first time (don't know if you are getting the Open Water certification or just doing a discovery dive) in Pattaya unless they will be taking you out to Sattahip to teach you. The last time I got in the water at Pattaya Beach was 11 years ago getting my nitrox certification. You could not see your own hand in front of your face. We went down and came right back up. 12 years ago I got my Advanced in Pattaya and I think we did everything in Sattahip for those 2 or 3 days.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2724734]That isn't to say that there are no Cheap Charlie Indians, but they are being crowded out by Indians who spend money.[/QUOTE]I agree. I remember sitting outside Alcatraz about ten years ago (the bar on Walking Street, not the prison) and being shocked when two Indian customers got turned away by security who pointed at a sign on the door that said 'No Indians'. My friend told me it was because Indian customers had a reputation for not buying drinks and the girls would complain they'd go with Indian customers and their friends would be waiting in the room expecting a freebie. I can also remember being in Sabai Dee and, no joke, a minibus-load of about ten Indian guys arrived and one of them tried to negotiate a hefty group discount with the papasan. He didn't get very far.

But India has the fastest growing economy in the world and there are a lot of very rich Indian people.

Earlier this year I saw six girls all sat around an Indian man in Moonlight, having shots from a bottle of sang som he'd bought. Without wanting to be unkind I think it's fair to say he fell from the ugly tree and hit every branch on his way down. He was fat, sweaty and had some kind of deformity with his mouth. Ten years ago, he would have been invisible to the girls but here he was splashing the cash. He may as well have been Brad Pitt.

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2724866]I was baffled to see super hot chicks go with fat-ass, ugly uncle types men.[/QUOTE]The biggest aphrodisiac for Thai bar girls is money.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2724734]Your information is outdated. It was true before Covid, but things have changed.

Now Indian men represent 50% of Walking Street customers.

Many young Thai ladies go with Indian men.

That isn't to say that there are no Cheap Charlie Indians, but they are being crowded out by Indians who spend money.[/QUOTE]Just watching any selection of those walking videos on youtube the difference from pre-covid is noticeable- the great majority are Indians.

After last night with 2 ladies rolling around the bed, I just had one lady come over for drinks today, my regular massage lady. After polishing off 3 bottles of wine, she started massaging my nether regions, and we were soon on the bed.

She is 42, but well proportioned, and was horny as can be, or a very good faker. And sweaty. Really sweaty, despite the aircon.

No BJ though, which is unusual for a massage lady.

Afterwards, I was ready to put her in my regular rotation, but she asked for 500 baht extra.

Now she is gone, and I have a short time to get ready for the lady coming tonight.

Returning to Pattaya after a 4 yr absence and staying in the middle of Soi Bukhao.

4 years ago the treetown area was an empty field with one VW microbus parked serving cocktails.

The transformation is nothing short of a miracle!

1000's of ladies to choose from!

The big downer for me is bars insisting on music at ear bursting levels. Impossible to talk to provider or negotiate easily!

I measured the volume in several bars at 105 dB with the live bands even louder.

Memo to bar owners. More noise does not make your bar more attractive.

Had three providers over 4 days, average BF 300-400,1500 LT, 1000ST and 1000 LT.

India is a 4500 year old country built on Hinduism. The society was extremely open sexually as you can see from Kamasutra and ancient sculptures. The leader of the dynasty / family used to be elderly women and the system was matriarchal. Unfortunately the 400 years of Islamic invasion from 12th to 16th Century (the dark ages of India) changed the social fabric of society. The regression and the oppression comes from that. India need about 3 generations (around 100 years) to get rid of it.

[QUOTE=ZenMinded1;2724792]So many guys don't get it due to lack of reference info. For a country which invented the Kama Sutra, India is so sexually opressed that guys feel privileged just to see a naked titty. Bring that closer to a guy's dick and he's done in 30 seconds. In Dubai all Indians get discounts from streetwalkers because they know it's a quick job.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2724953]I agree. I remember sitting outside Alcatraz about ten years ago (the bar on Walking Street, not the prison) and being shocked when two Indian customers got turned away by security who pointed at a sign on the door that said 'No Indians'. My friend told me it was because Indian customers had a reputation for not buying drinks and the girls would complain they'd go with Indian customers and their friends would be waiting in the room expecting a freebie. I can also remember being in Sabai Dee and, no joke, a minibus-load of about ten Indian guys arrived and one of them tried to negotiate a hefty group discount with the papasan. He didn't get very far.

But India has the fastest growing economy in the world and there are a lot of very rich Indian people.

Earlier this year I saw six girls all sat around an Indian man in Moonlight, having shots from a bottle of sang som he'd bought. Without wanting to be unkind I think it's fair to say he fell from the ugly tree and hit every branch on his way down. He was fat, sweaty and had some kind of deformity with his mouth. Ten years ago, he would have been invisible to the girls but here he was splashing the cash. He may as well have been Brad Pitt.

The biggest aphrodisiac for Thai bar girls is money.[/QUOTE]For the life of me. Rich Indians think Walking Street Pattay is the place to be?

Don't they research before traveling.

Hey Gents,

Me and 2 close friends are planning a stag trip for Nov this year. It'll be our first time in Thailand. We're thinking of doing 5 days in Pattaya and 4 Days in Bangkok. The main objective is drinks, ladies, A bit of honest sight seeing with some are&are in between. Wondering if this is a good time split for the cities or if I should adjust our time in one of the locations. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2724789]Last I heard, Bamboo Bar is closed.[/QUOTE]Bamboo hasn't been open for 2. 5 years!

[QUOTE=Smyke;2725122]Returning to Pattaya after a 4 yr absence and staying in the middle of Soi Bukhao.

4 years ago the treetown area was an empty field with one VW microbus parked serving cocktails.

The transformation is nothing short of a miracle!

1000's of ladies to choose from!



Had three providers over 4 days, average BF 300-400,1500 LT, 1000ST and 1000 LT.[/QUOTE]This sounds very promising indeed. Never heard of Treetown, is this where the outdoor clothing market was or is just as the road esses towards the end of Soi Boukhow?

Is this a positive or negative development in your opinion if you say there are many girls then this appears very good indeed.

[QUOTE=AfAsia;2725422]This sounds very promising indeed. Never heard of Treetown, is this where the outdoor clothing market was or is just as the road esses towards the end of Soi Boukhow?

[/QUOTE]TreeTown is where soi meda in Thailand was. [URL]https://www.google.nl/maps/place/Tree[/URL]+Town+NightMarket / at 12.9314377,100.8852211,17.85 z / data=!4 m5!3 m4!1 s0 x31029608 da106 a2 f:0 xe940362 a74 cbe447!8 m2!3 d12.9310232!4 d100.8859312.

Hey Guy's,

Back in Pattaya after a long absence. I've gotten lazy in my old age (60) and especially spoiled after living in Colombia.

Any recommendations on walk in full service places? Prefer day time or early evening. Pick a girl have some fun and pay for damages.

Colombia will ruin you for that. Beautiful sweet woman, walk in get a presentation, pick one go have fun for as long as you want and prices are on the board. Inexpensive to begin with and discounted the longer you stay. What a country. LOL.

Prefer easy over games and bar fines and bringing someone back to my room.

Thanks for any advice.

Cheers.

Sky.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2724252]If you knew the sexual histories of the ladies, you might not fuck them even with a condom.

I was drinking with one lady who told me she went with 6 Indian men in one session. Talk about killing the vibe.[/QUOTE]To make things worse I am told that Indians have very big dicks.

[QUOTE=BenBirdwell;2723879]Yep. I hardly ever bareback out here and I caught a mean case of the clap from a gogo girl. When I messaged her about it. She was pretty nonchalant about it and says it happens.[/QUOTE]Fortunately for you it was not of the antibiotic resistant variety. That can keep you off poontang for weeks.

[QUOTE=AfAsia;2725422]This sounds very promising indeed. Never heard of Treetown, is this where the outdoor clothing market was or is just as the road esses towards the end of Soi Boukhow?

Is this a positive or negative development in your opinion if you say there are many girls then this appears very good indeed.[/QUOTE]Never been to treetown either.

From research. You pick up a girl on Beach Road and take her to treetown. You don't find girls at Treetown.

It's just Benches. More a place for Bank Tellers, Thai people.

Hansum Korean Man and his Bargirl.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jYrb9dSEBA[/URL]

Enjoy!

I like the Girl. Guess which one. Not a stunner but very acceptable.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2725502]Never been to treetown either.

You don't find girls at Treetown.

It's just Benches. More a place for Bank Tellers, Thai people.[/QUOTE]This is wrong on so many levels.

TreeTown is a you shaped block with tons of bars AND girls.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2725502]Never been to treetown either.

From research. You pick up a girl on Beach Road and take her to treetown. You don't find girls at Treetown.

It's just Benches. More a place for Bank Tellers, Thai people.[/QUOTE]There are about 40 bars in TreeTown. Some of them have chairs.

One downside of going with so many ladies is I cannot cum, at least not quickly. Strangely, if its ST, I can finish in 5 minutes, but if I have done a string of ladies, and now I am doing LT with a lady I know, I can go an hour+ and not finish.

Two nights ago, I was with a lady who was determined to make me cum, after an hour I couldn't go any more, but she wouldn't take no for an answer. So, I faked it, and ran to the shower.

Last night, with another lady, the same. But after an hour of mutual pounding, she started to bite my balls. Painfully.

So, tonight's lady may be out of luck.

It's the morning after, and last night's lady has transformed from sex fiend to shy bar manager. All business.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2725590]This is wrong on so many levels.

TreeTown is a you shaped block with tons of bars AND girls.[/QUOTE]Thankyou for backing me up MartinFlevo.

Yes, there are hundreds of bars and possibly a 1000 or more girls working in this area.

It is about 150 m North of Soi LK Metro. You also have 50 or more bars and go-go's in that area with another 500 or so girls very eager to find a man.

If you can't score here then you never will!

The key word is negotiate, first quotes are often in the 3 k range! 1000 - 1500 is achievable.

So in answer to my question and the silliness by some. Research suggests Treetown appears to be a new name for the area, bars have been there many years, however the they have had a facelift with additional bars added through to Soi Bukhou. I have walked through this bar area on many occasions from 2nd road through to Soi Bukhou. Youtube it.

[QUOTE=AfAsia;2725779]So in answer to my question and the silliness by some. Research suggests Treetown appears to be a new name for the area, bars have been there many years, however the they have had a facelift with additional bars added through to Soi Bukhou. I have walked through this bar area on many occasions from 2nd road through to Soi Bukhou. Youtube it.[/QUOTE]Just before Covid, some bars were installed in what was a giant parking lot. Not many customers, though. What jump started the area was the authorities allowing people to go 7/11 and then sit around and drink in the TreeTown area. People would go to an outdoor restaurant and order a Coke, filling the glass with illicit whiskey. Working ladies would do the same, and then restaurants were allowed to sell alcohol, and things took off.

[QUOTE=SkyJump;2725432]Hey Guy's,

Back in Pattaya after a long absence. I've gotten lazy in my old age (60) and especially spoiled after living in Colombia.

Any recommendations on walk in full service places? Prefer day time or early evening. Pick a girl have some fun and pay for damages.
Prefer easy over games and bar fines and bringing someone back to my room.
[/QUOTE]Soi 6, Soi Boomerang, Soi Chaiyapoon, Soi Honey, Soi Bongkoch 8, Body Massages, Kinnaree in Pratamnak and I'm sure I'm forget many others day time clubs that are scattered around the town.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2725549]Hansum Korean Man and his Bargirl.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jYrb9dSEBA[/URL]

Enjoy!

I like the Girl. Guess which one. Not a stunner but very acceptable.[/QUOTE]For someone who talks so often about Phuket.

Why did you out a clip of Bangla Road in the Bangkok forum?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2725670]One downside of going with so many ladies is I cannot cum, at least not quickly. Strangely, if its ST, I can finish in 5 minutes, but if I have done a string of ladies, and now I am doing LT with a lady I know, I can go an hour+ and not finish.

Two nights ago, I was with a lady who was determined to make me cum, after an hour I couldn't go any more, but she wouldn't take no for an answer. So, I faked it, and ran to the shower.

Last night, with another lady, the same. But after an hour of mutual pounding, she started to bite my balls. Painfully.

So, tonight's lady may be out of luck.

It's the morning after, and last night's lady has transformed from sex fiend to shy bar manager. All business.[/QUOTE]Do you live in Pattaya permanently? Just curious, don't you lose interest in sex after few days? You seems to be having daily sex for months which is surprising.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2725814]For someone who talks so often about Phuket.

Why did you out a clip of Bangla Road in the Bangkok forum?[/QUOTE]Clip more about what kind of girl I like.

Photo after photo that shows up here of real girls are God awfully awful.

People often mention you go to Thailand for that and pay 3,000 fee Plus fine of the bar etc.

I say No Way Jose.

Hot uns are out there.

The one I like nice face, small boobies, nice personality. Only drawback was back tattoo.

P.S. I know Explorer has huge numbers but for the life of me I can't get excited about Factory Workers.

Got to look like most Construction Workers.

[QUOTE=JasonSilva;2725909]Do you live in Pattaya permanently? Just curious, don't you lose interest in sex after few days? You seems to be having daily sex for months which is surprising.[/QUOTE]Yes, I live in Pattaya permanently.

No, I don't have sex every day. I have one regular lady who doesn't like sex, but she goes with me a lot.

Last summer, I was having 30 ladies a week come over to my place. I got a lot of blow jobs, and there was lots of hanky panky, but I probably only had full intercourse twice a week. I had to ration myself or die. So, sometimes horny drunk ladies would start a BJ, and then try to hop on for a fuck, and I would have to push them off.

This week, I went with a lady to Koh Samui for 3 days. We only fucked the first 2 days. Then I had a night in Pattaya with a lady who wanted to fuck all night. Then a night in Bangkok with another horny lady. Then nothing last night here in Udon Thani.

I have 3 more nights with this lady, and then 2 nights with 2 ladies in Singapore (I will probably fuck one per night). Then a night in Bangkok with a horny 3 holes. Then a night in rural Isaan with the lady I am with now, except a mutual friend will come to our room, the friend loves to get drunk and grab ass of my current lady (actually, she likes to get finger fucked by another lady, but that's another story). I will sleep with the friend, she will fuck, but not too much. Then, a last night in Isaan with the 3 holes, and then back to Pattaya.

This takes lots of planning.

This is for the "Walking Street is dead" guys.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2726017]This is for the "Walking Street is dead" guys.[/QUOTE]1. Airport is closed (on the left).

2. Street traffic doesn't say anything about how busy it is INSIDE bars / gogos.

3. Photo was this weekend. Thai holiday weekend.

So this photo doesn't "proof" its busy and back to pre-covid.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2725996]P.S. I know Explorer has huge numbers but for the life of me I can't get excited about Factory Workers.

Got to look like most Construction Workers.[/QUOTE]I only have gone with a couple of factory workers, one was just 3 or 4 times, the other maybe once a year. Of course, I can't tell you how many bar girls used to work factory.

Having said that, some factory workers are hot, they just happen to be in a committed relationship with some Thai guy and can't go with customers.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2725995]People often mention you go to Thailand for that and pay 3,000 fee Plus fine of the bar etc.

I say No Way Jose.

Hot uns are out there.

The one I like nice face, small boobies, nice personality. Only drawback was back tattoo.[/QUOTE]You think that girl asks more than 3000 baht?

Has anyone tried getting one of those medical certificates to buy the high THC weed in Pattaya yet?

Officially it's supposed to take 15 days to receive but wondering if anyone's found a way around it.

PM me please if you don't want to post the info on here.

I don't smoke here at home but would be nice to enjoy on holiday but I'm only there for just over two weeks.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2726017]This is for the "Walking Street is dead" guys.[/QUOTE]A new way to explain.

Boarded up shops everywhere contradicts your point.

Pre Corona shops were going out of Buznit.

I Love Low Lovel Indians but Pattaya business owners don't.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2726101]1. Airport is closed (on the left).

2. Street traffic doesn't say anything about how busy it is INSIDE bars / gogos.

3. Photo was this weekend. Thai holiday weekend.

So this photo doesn't "proof" its busy and back to pre-covid.[/QUOTE]Pattaya not back to Pre-covid by any means. I'm having fun and plenty busy and plenty of girls Gogos are hopping. Hopefully in Phuket soon.

I come next week finaly back to Pattaya, I'm not sure now what to belive because of masks, can please someone tell me where you have to wear a mask and where not.

Thanks a lot.

[QUOTE=FawnTheGuyver;2726295]I come next week finaly back to Pattaya, I'm not sure now what to belive because of masks, can please someone tell me where you have to wear a mask and where not.[/QUOTE]Only place I wore a mask was immigration in Jomtien and the airport.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2726101]Street traffic doesn't say anything about how busy it is INSIDE bars / gogos.[/QUOTE]So you want more men to be inside the bars and gogos?

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2726188]Has anyone tried getting one of those medical certificates to buy the high THC weed in Pattaya yet?

Officially it's supposed to take 15 days to receive but wondering if anyone's found a way around it.

PM me please if you don't want to post the info on here.

I don't smoke here at home but would be nice to enjoy on holiday but I'm only there for just over two weeks.[/QUOTE]The legal limit for THC content is 0. 2%, ie only hemp is legal. Up to you if you want to smoke hemp.

[QUOTE=FawnTheGuyver;2726295]I come next week finaly back to Pattaya, I'm not sure now what to belive because of masks, can please someone tell me where you have to wear a mask and where not.

Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]It's hit and miss. I only wear a mask in certain places indoors, like airports. So I carry around one, but rarely wear it in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2726222]A new way to explain.

Boarded up shops everywhere contradicts your point.

Pre Corona shops were going out of Buznit.

I Love Low Lovel Indians but Pattaya business owners don't.[/QUOTE]Why should a monger care if some shops are still closed? There are 10,000 ladies in Pattaya waiting for a customer.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2726298]So you want more men to be inside the bars and gogos?[/QUOTE]An empty gogobar has no vibe. Simple. Just bored looking woman.

So yeah I don't mind if there are other costumers.

IBar / Myst without guys? Also just attracks the old&ugly onces. My trip in June / July? IBar was filled with 40+ year old freelancers. thats the effect.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2726351]The legal limit for THC content is 0. 2%, ie only hemp is legal. Up to you if you want to smoke hemp.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your reply.

I thought I had they had just changed it in June or July, where stronger strains can be sold but only to people with medical certificates.

I must have got confused sorry.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2726353]Why should a monger care if some shops are still closed? There are 10,000 ladies in Pattaya waiting for a customer.[/QUOTE]10,000 Bargirls Stats:

Average age 45.

Avg weight 169 lbs.

Avg number of children 2.3.

You sir are a man of Quantity.

Some of us prefer Qualitee.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2726017]This is for the "Walking Street is dead" guys.[/QUOTE]Pornstar Polly Pons (Poopea) has published photos from her current vacation in Thailand on Twitter.

She seems to have visited Sapphire, Republic and Ibar / Insomnia.

She has also posted pictures and video clips of her fucking a thai fan on her onlyfans.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2726589]I thought I had they had just changed it in June or July, where stronger strains can be sold but only to people with medical certificates.[/QUOTE]The stuff is everywhere. They are selling it at tables on Walking Street. They are selling tall ass plants at the market. Nobody has said anything about any certificates. You just go up to whoever or go into a shop and buy it. I can't say anything to the strength of any of it. Soapy chick said she bought this for 200 baht though.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2726589]Thank you for your reply.

I thought I had they had just changed it in June or July, where stronger strains can be sold but only to people with medical certificates.

I must have got confused sorry.[/QUOTE]In June, they made hemp legal.

The stuff being sold illegally will soon come to an end. The police don't want to crack down now, but soon they will.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2726737]The stuff is everywhere. They are selling it at tables on Walking Street. They are selling tall ass plants at the market. Nobody has said anything about any certificates. You just go up to whoever or go into a shop and buy it. I can't say anything to the strength of any of it. Soapy chick said she bought this for 200 baht though.[/QUOTE]They got a Kiosk in the Nana Hotel parking lot right outside Hooters selling the stuff. Like you said everywhere!

Lucky guy. She's great.

[QUOTE=KalleKula;2726673]Pornstar Polly Pons (Poopea) has published photos from her current vacation in Thailand on Twitter.

She seems to have visited Sapphire, Republic and Ibar / Insomnia.

She has also posted pictures and video clips of her fucking a thai fan on her onlyfans.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2726592]10,000 Bargirls Stats:

Average age 45.

Avg weight 169 lbs.

Avg number of children 2.3.

You sir are a man of Quantity.

Some of us prefer Qualitee.[/QUOTE]As a matter of interest I clicked on the link you shared recently which showed a Youtube video taken in Phuket. You repeatedly tell us how few attractive girls there are in Pattaya, so naturally I was very excited to see the kind of supermodels it must take to catch the eye of a discerning playboy like yourself. Imagine my surprise when the video showed exactly the kind of girls you can find every afternoon on soi 6.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2726938]As a matter of interest I clicked on the link you shared recently which showed a Youtube video taken in Phuket. You repeatedly tell us how few attractive girls there are in Pattaya, so naturally I was very excited to see the kind of supermodels it must take to catch the eye of a discerning playboy like yourself. Imagine my surprise when the video showed exactly the kind of girls you can find every afternoon on soi 6.[/QUOTE]I go to Phuket a lot. For me, th3 difference between Phuket and Pattaya ladies is price. Otherwise, same same.

[QUOTE=KalleKula;2726673]Pornstar Polly Pons (Poopea) has published photos from her current vacation in Thailand on Twitter.
[/QUOTE]Yes, I saw her last month walking hand in hand with a farang guy in Walking street.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2726737]The stuff is everywhere. They are selling it at tables on Walking Street. They are selling tall ass plants at the market. Nobody has said anything about any certificates. You just go up to whoever or go into a shop and buy it. I can't say anything to the strength of any of it. Soapy chick said she bought this for 200 baht though.[/QUOTE]Nice one, thanks. I'll see what I can get when I get there.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2726921]Lucky guy. She's great.[/QUOTE]She really is. I had arranged for an outcall with her in Paris, but then the pandemic happened.

[QUOTE=KalleKula;2727025]She really is. I had arranged for an outcall with her in Paris, but then the pandemic happened.[/QUOTE]She's looking for three blokes in their thirties for a gang bang right now.

[QUOTE=Supmam;2727120]She's looking for three blokes in their thirties for a gang bang right now.[/QUOTE]Looking at the gaping ass photo on her Twitter; she found more than three!

[QUOTE=Supmam;2727120]She's looking for three blokes in their thirties for a gang bang right now.[/QUOTE]Wow. Wish I was younger.

Anyone had a MMF session in Thailand?

I am taking 3 ladies from Pattaya to Singapore. Not all at the same time. I am in Singapore with one lady now. This afternoon, I will take her to the airport, see her off, and then 2 ladies will arrive from Pattaya. I know the 2 ladies, they won't play together, but they are okay if I fuck one at a time.

As for switching out ladies at the airport, it's a delicate maneuver.

[QUOTE=KalleKula;2727148]Wow. Wish I was younger.

Anyone had a MMF session in Thailand?[/QUOTE]Just hook up with a ladyboy; same thing when you think about it. LOL.

Hello gentlemen! I once again seek your collective knowledge and experiences.

I did end up coming to Pattaya and made what I guess could be described as a rookie mistake. I barfined, of sorts, the same girl twice. (I never actually gave the bar any money.) From there I guess I was "claimed" as hers. Recalling RakSopheni's post on the mongerer driven by sex vs those seeking a relationship, I can say that the trip was ruined at that point from a certain sense and perfectly acceptable in the other. At the end of the day, I think it's what I needed at the time. So that's not so much the point of the post.

Fast forwarding to the present, we're still talking and it's how we're talking that I wanted to ask about. She wants to talk all the time! (Did you just think "Yeah, whenever she is bored. ") But I mean video chats while I'm doing sometimes the most mundane of things: exercising, cooking, at work, just whenever. At bedtime (hers or mine), she wants to fall asleep on the line. Like we're sleeping together. It's like hours a day for months. It's a bit awkward sometimes given our other-side-of-the-planet timezones. Is this normal?

She tells me she loves me ("Oh boy. ") and my friend (non-mongerer) and I think she's probably working the "long con" (his word, meaning marriage). I'm not delusional or anything. I have no doubt she's with other guys. But as Explorer8939 mentioned, girls can fall for their customers (is this my hubris? I mean, for reference, she didn't ask for money when we were together. Although I did give her some. And only asked once a few weeks ago for a modest amount, but I declined.

Polly Pons short for Polly Pontifications.

Monkeypaw people, doesn't that turn you Gay / Bisexuality guys off-just a little bit?

[QUOTE=BoredInAmerica;2727550]Hello gentlemen! I once again seek your collective knowledge and experiences.

I did end up coming to Pattaya and made what I guess could be described as a rookie mistake. ..

Fast forwarding to the present, we're still talking and it's how we're talking that I wanted to ask about. She wants to talk all the time! (Did you just think "Yeah, whenever she is bored. ") But I mean video chats while I'm doing sometimes the most mundane of things: exercising, cooking, at work, just whenever. At bedtime (hers or mine), she wants to fall asleep on the line. Like we're sleeping together. It's like hours a day for months. It's a bit awkward sometimes given our other-side-of-the-planet timezones. Is this normal?

She tells me she loves me ("Oh boy. ") and my friend (non-mongerer) and I think she's probably working the "long con" (his word, meaning marriage). I'm not delusional or anything. I have no doubt she's with other guys. But as Explorer8939 mentioned, girls can fall for their customers (is this my hubris? I mean, for reference, she didn't ask for money when we were together. Although I did give her some. And only asked once a few weeks ago for a modest amount, but I declined.[/QUOTE]Well believe it or not. But those working girls are also human. So yeah she COULD be falling for you and be bored and be playing the long game. All at once. Keep in mind its low season so she might have time between her freelance ST / LT things.

Feels to me you are just not into her that much. THAT's a reason to just. Break up? Don't ghost / block her. Just break up.

I got the assumption all those chats / calls are when you are back home and NOT in Thailand.

[QUOTE=BoredInAmerica;2727550]She tells me she loves me ("Oh boy. ") and my friend (non-mongerer) and I think she's probably working the "long con" (his word, meaning marriage). I'm not delusional or anything. I have no doubt she's with other guys. But as Explorer8939 mentioned, girls can fall for their customers (is this my hubris? I mean, for reference, she didn't ask for money when we were together. Although I did give her some. And only asked once a few weeks ago for a modest amount, but I declined.[/QUOTE]Talk and be friends with her if you have nothing else to do at the time. But it seems you already know the rules: No Dough!

[QUOTE=BoredInAmerica;2727550]Hello gentlemen! I once again seek your collective knowledge and experiences.

I did end up coming to Pattaya and made what I guess could be described as a rookie mistake. I barfined, of sorts, the same girl twice. (I never actually gave the bar any money.) From there I guess I was "claimed" as hers. Recalling RakSopheni's post on the mongerer driven by sex vs those seeking a relationship, I can say that the trip was ruined at that point from a certain sense and perfectly acceptable in the other. At the end of the day, I think it's what I needed at the time. So that's not so much the point of the post.

Fast forwarding to the present, we're still talking and it's how we're talking that I wanted to ask about. She wants to talk all the time! (Did you just think "Yeah, whenever she is bored. ") But I mean video chats while I'm doing sometimes the most mundane of things: exercising, cooking, at work, just whenever. At bedtime (hers or mine), she wants to fall asleep on the line. Like we're sleeping together. It's like hours a day for months. It's a bit awkward sometimes given our other-side-of-the-planet timezones. Is this normal?.[/QUOTE]Not a long con, this is a medium con.

Bar girls are constantly working their telephone with multiple potential sponsors. At some point, she will reveal a sick child, parent, uncle, or Buffalo, which is her hint for you to send money. If you don't, at some point, she will stop playing telephone with you.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2727173]I am taking 3 ladies from Pattaya to Singapore. Not all at the same time. I am in Singapore with one lady now. This afternoon, I will take her to the airport, see her off, and then 2 ladies will arrive from Pattaya. I know the 2 ladies, they won't play together, but they are okay if I fuck one at a time.

As for switching out ladies at the airport, it's a delicate maneuver.[/QUOTE]Wow, it actually worked!

Today, I fly back to Bangkok, and will spend the night with a Pattaya bargirl who is in Bangkok for personal business.

The two ladies with me now will go back to Pattaya when we reach Suvarnaphumi airport.

No problem fucking one lady with the other in the same room.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2727808]Feels to me you are just not into her that much. THAT's a reason to just. Break up? Don't ghost / block her. Just break up.

I got the assumption all those chats / calls are when you are back home and NOT in Thailand.[/QUOTE]That is correct. And it's the "human" part that has me asking (in a similar vein to the are AITAH reddit). I'm just somewhat confused by her behavior and curious if anyone else has seen anything like it. I like being friends with her and want to see her again as Mr Enternational suggested, but not at the cost of leading her on. She told me she loved me the second morning and tells me she won't even look at other guys. This seems like the lie we've all heard, no?

Basically I met her at the bar and left with her as it closed. From then on she managed to stick with me the rest of the trip and money was never discussed. It was intoxicating at first, but she slips up way too much in her stories so it's really turning me off. I mean I could spend another week with her and enjoy it, but if she is serious, I need to break up.

If you think a bargirl is in love with you, make sure you get her Facebook and Messenger contact info. Don't use LINE with a bargirl.

Sometimes bargirls forget to scrub their Facebook account, which may have posts showing their Thai husband.

Same with Messenger. A lot of bargirls are active on Messenger at 3 AM, which either means they are at a boy bar (they open after the bars close), or they are chatting up men in the US.

I always look at the post history of any new Facebook friend.

Bro,

Can someone share the current damage for different options.

BF - 300?

ST - 1000 (Only 1 or more).

LT - 1500 (2 shots or more).

I know depends on negotiation and how do you manage. But, can someone share this in case.

[QUOTE=Smyke;2725122]Returning to Pattaya after a 4 yr absence and staying in the middle of Soi Bukhao.

4 years ago the treetown area was an empty field with one VW microbus parked serving cocktails.

The transformation is nothing short of a miracle!

1000's of ladies to choose from!

The big downer for me is bars insisting on music at ear bursting levels. Impossible to talk to provider or negotiate easily!

I measured the volume in several bars at 105 dB with the live bands even louder.

Memo to bar owners. More noise does not make your bar more attractive.

Had three providers over 4 days, average BF 300-400,1500 LT, 1000ST and 1000 LT.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BoredInAmerica;2727550]Hello gentlemen! I once again seek your collective knowledge and experiences.

I did end up coming to Pattaya and made what I guess could be described as a rookie mistake. I barfined, of sorts, the same girl twice. (I never actually gave the bar any money.) From there I guess I was "claimed" as hers. Recalling RakSopheni's post on the mongerer driven by sex vs those seeking a relationship, I can say that the trip was ruined at that point from a certain sense and perfectly acceptable in the other. At the end of the day, I think it's what I needed at the time. So that's not so much the point of the post.

Fast forwarding to the present, we're still talking and it's how we're talking that I wanted to ask about. She wants to talk all the time! (Did you just think "Yeah, whenever she is bored. ") But I mean video chats while I'm doing sometimes the most mundane of things: exercising, cooking, at work, just whenever. At bedtime (hers or mine), she wants to fall asleep on the line. Like we're sleeping together. It's like hours a day for months. It's a bit awkward sometimes given our other-side-of-the-planet timezones. Is this normal?.[/QUOTE]I'm curious as to how and when you met her. You say that you didn't give her any money, although you sort of barfined her, and you say you have no doubt she has other customers. I think these details would help us understand the situation and offer meaningful commentary.

[QUOTE=BoredInAmerica;2727972] She told me she loved me the second morning and tells me she won't even look at other guys. This seems like the lie we've all heard, no?

Basically I met her at the bar and left with her as it closed. From then on she managed to stick with me the rest of the trip and money was never discussed. It was intoxicating at first, but she slips up way too much in her stories so it's really turning me off. I mean I could spend another week with her and enjoy it, but if she is serious, I need to break up.[/QUOTE]If you met her at a bar, and she told you she loved you the second morning, it's not a "real" relationship. These girls can turn the act on and off on a dime- I've seen them do it. If you haven't given her money it could be that she's playing the long game, or she's just on autopilot, doing what she does, and has only stayed engaged because it is low season and there are no other takers.

All that being said, she could have feelings that are "real", but keep in mind these feelings could easily be projected on to somebody else and you are more and image or an idea to her than an actual real person.

If you are enjoying it, continue, if not end it and don't think twice. She will have a new "love" pretty quickly and forget all about you.

RS.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2727808].......Feels to me you are just not into her that much......[/QUOTE]On the contrary it seems to me that he is into her and is worried about that and quite rightly so. Long distance relationships are difficult to maintain.

[QUOTE=BoredInAmerica;2727550]Hello gentlemen! I once again seek your collective knowledge and experiences.

I did end up coming to Pattaya and made what I guess could be described as a rookie mistake. I barfined, of sorts, the same girl twice. (I never actually gave the bar any money.) From there I guess I was "claimed" as hers. Recalling RakSopheni's post on the mongerer driven by sex vs those seeking a relationship, I can say that the trip was ruined at that point from a certain sense and perfectly acceptable in the other. At the end of the day, I think it's what I needed at the time. So that's not so much the point of the post.

Fast forwarding to the present, we're still talking and it's how we're talking that I wanted to ask about. She wants to talk all the time! (Did you just think "Yeah, whenever she is bored. ") But I mean video chats while I'm doing sometimes the most mundane of things: exercising, cooking, at work, just whenever. At bedtime (hers or mine), she wants to fall asleep on the line. Like we're sleeping together. It's like hours a day for months. It's a bit awkward sometimes given our other-side-of-the-planet timezones. Is this normal?

She tells me she loves me ("Oh boy. ") and my friend (non-mongerer) and I think she's probably working the "long con" (his word, meaning marriage). I'm not delusional or anything. I have no doubt she's with other guys. But as Explorer8939 mentioned, girls can fall for their customers (is this my hubris? I mean, for reference, she didn't ask for money when we were together. Although I did give her some. And only asked once a few weeks ago for a modest amount, but I declined.[/QUOTE]If you are with a bar girl in Thailand there is a very high chance she is or will cheat on you. Bar girls just get used to lying and it becomes second nature to them.

If you are not in Thailand and having some sort of long distance relationship then there is a 99% chance that she is lying to you about a whole host of things.

You have already seen a number of red flags. You already know what you should do.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2728031]If you think a bargirl is in love with you, make sure you get her Facebook and Messenger contact info. Don't use LINE with a bargirl.[/QUOTE]Correction:

If you think a bargirl is in love with you, you are wrong.

Don't get any info.

Fuck her as many times as you would like / can afford. Then move on with your life.

Sex can be purchased in bars.

Love cannot be purchased anywhere.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2728031]If you think a bargirl is in love with you, make sure you get her Facebook and Messenger contact info. Don't use LINE with a bargirl.

Sometimes bargirls forget to scrub their Facebook account, which may have posts showing their Thai husband.

Same with Messenger. A lot of bargirls are active on Messenger at 3 AM, which either means they are at a boy bar (they open after the bars close), or they are chatting up men in the US.

I always look at the post history of any new Facebook friend.[/QUOTE]Most pattaya ladies have more then one facebook account. Doesn't work.

More simple. If she is "GF" and she stays Pattaya. She is NOT a GF.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2728237]Correction:

If you think a bargirl is in love with you, you are wrong.

Don't get any info.

Fuck her as many times as you would like / can afford. Then move on with your life.

Sex can be purchased in bars.

Love cannot be purchased anywhere.[/QUOTE]Why is this so hard to understand?

I'm basically referring to girls who work Bar.

Any of the expats know the rules for regular bicycle riding in Pattaya and Thailand like helmet requirements or stay off sidewalks etc.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2728165] Long distance relationships are difficult to maintain.[/QUOTE]LDRs are very easy to maintain: Fuck her, keep her number, fly out tomorrow, 6/12/ however many months later call her "Babe I'm back in town, want to come over? Fuck her again.

If her number is inactive move on to the 8. 7 gazillion other options.

I have NEVER had a girl refuse to see me because I didn't call her 1000 times while I was back home or listen to 100 BS stories of dead uncles and lame buffalo.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2728169]If you are with a bar girl in Thailand there is a very high chance she is or will cheat on you. Bar girls just get used to lying and it becomes second nature to them.
[/QUOTE]You would have to define what cheating on you is and is that necessarily an adverse thing to the person that is being so-called cheated on? Bar girls are hookers. And hookers fuck for money. That is the first thing to get into your head. A person would also have to define what it means to be their girl. If you don't mind your girl fucking other people for money then I guess there is a no lose situation for you.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2728237]Correction:

If you think a bargirl is in love with you, you are wrong.

Don't get any info.

Fuck her as many times as you would like / can afford. Then move on with your life.

Sex can be purchased in bars.

Love cannot be purchased anywhere.[/QUOTE]I can't disagree with you.

But some guys believe that their Thai lady is different. So, if they see her Facebook, either they will see posts showing her Thai boyfriend, or lots of dining out with customers when she says she needs money because she isn't working.

[QUOTE=BoredInAmerica;2727550]Hello gentlemen! I once again seek your collective knowledge and experiences.

I did end up coming to Pattaya and made what I guess could be described as a rookie mistake. I barfined, of sorts, the same girl twice. (I never actually gave the bar any money.) From there I guess I was "claimed" as hers. Recalling RakSopheni's post on the mongerer driven by sex vs those seeking a relationship, I can say that the trip was ruined at that point from a certain sense and perfectly acceptable in the other. At the end of the day, I think it's what I needed at the time. So that's not so much the point of the post.

Fast forwarding to the present, we're still talking and it's how we're talking that I wanted to ask about. She wants to talk all the time! (Did you just think "Yeah, whenever she is bored. ") But I mean video chats while I'm doing sometimes the most mundane of things: exercising, cooking, at work, just whenever. At bedtime (hers or mine), she wants to fall asleep on the line. Like we're sleeping together. It's like hours a day for months. It's a bit awkward sometimes given our other-side-of-the-planet timezones. Is this normal?

She tells me she loves me ("Oh boy. ") and my friend (non-mongerer) and I think she's probably working the "long con" (his word, meaning marriage). I'm not delusional or anything. I have no doubt she's with other guys. But as Explorer8939 mentioned, girls can fall for their customers (is this my hubris? I mean, for reference, she didn't ask for money when we were together. Although I did give her some. And only asked once a few weeks ago for a modest amount, but I declined.[/QUOTE]Yes, this is very normal for thai people, they video call eachother all day long. You don't have to engage the girl in these videos all of the time, she don't expect that you focus on her all the time, just that the video stays on. Its not common for us westerners, but its pretty much an eastern asian thing or sth, they are not as productive as westerners and they are not as private as us, so they use this video call all day everyday and everywhere.

It will get tiresome if you always talk to her for hours, but if you just let the video roll in the background (sometimes not talking to eachother for 30 minutes or an hour, but that you still kinda see what she is doing etc), you'll get used to it.

What is there to say? I'll be back soon maybe? Let me send you some money.

These recent posts confirm I am a hardened dark soul. I' can't stand to listen to any woman talk for an hour. Glad you had a great trip and all - "steady barfine" is what it was called in my day. But after I got back home. That was the end. After all these women age quickly and unless you're going back every 6 months. She will get used up. Best to stick with "one night stands. " Man you're patient to tolerate being video called so many times for that duration.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2728286]Any of the expats know the rules for regular bicycle riding in Pattaya and Thailand like helmet requirements or stay off sidewalks etc.[/QUOTE]Helmet is generally not required but a brown shirt may stop you, being that you a foreigner in order to squeeze baht from you, if the opportunity arises. Riding on the sidewalk is just not possible as there are too many obstacles, you may land head first in a uncovered manhole.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2728244]Most pattaya ladies have more then one facebook account. Doesn't work.

More simple. If she is "GF" and she stays Pattaya. She is NOT a GF.[/QUOTE]Check the Facebook account of one her female friends. If your lady has a second FB account, a female friend should be a FB friend of the second account.

Or your lady friend herself may be a friend of her second account.

Hello Brothers,

I am planning a trip to Pattaya in late Aug / early Sep. And I was hoping you guys can guide me with these -.

- What are the prevalent prices for ST and LT? I know it might vary from girl to girl, but what's the standard after the pandemic?

- Are all bars and places open? I loved to be at soi 6 in 2019, is it open or hit by pandemic?

- Prices in soapy parlours at soi honey, are they open and what's the starting price?

- Any special insurance or documents required to enter Thailand?

- Any issues taking a bus from BKK to Pattaya?

These might be obvious questions, but seeking your help to plan my trip better.

Thank You.

McFuck.

Few points.

[QUOTE=McFuck;2728439]Hello Brothers,

I am planning a trip to Pattaya in late Aug / early Sep. And I was hoping you guys can guide me with these -.

- What are the prevalent prices for ST and LT? I know it might vary from girl to girl, but what's the standard after the pandemic?
1K Baht for ST and 2K Baht upwards for LT.

- Are all bars and places open? I loved to be at soi 6 in 2019, is it open or hit by pandemic?
Not all places have opened up but by the time you visit, scene would be different.

- Prices in soapy parlours at soi honey, are they open and what's the starting price?
Didnt try so cant comment.

- Any special insurance or documents required to enter Thailand?
Covid 19 Travel insurance and E-pass. (was asked at IGI as well at BKK airports).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=McFuck;2728439]Hello Brothers,

I am planning a trip to Pattaya in late Aug / early Sep. And I was hoping you guys can guide me with these -.

- What are the prevalent prices for ST and LT? I know it might vary from girl to girl, but what's the standard after the pandemic?

- Are all bars and places open? I loved to be at soi 6 in 2019, is it open or hit by pandemic?

- Prices in soapy parlours at soi honey, are they open and what's the starting price?

- Any special insurance or documents required to enter Thailand?

- Any issues taking a bus from BKK to Pattaya?

These might be obvious questions, but seeking your help to plan my trip better.

Thank You.

McFuck.[/QUOTE]RTFF.

Short answers: yes. No.

The information resources for a bargirl to learn how to manipulate customers is much more extensive than what is available to you. They are taught exactly how to handle customers to maximize income.

I have ladies chat me up at all hours of the night (their time), while lying in bed with their Thai husband.

Don't fall for it.

If you read stickmans site it gives up to date info on everwhere in LOS.

[URL]https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/weekly-column/2022/07/pattaya-july-2022/[/URL]

Up to date info.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2728286]Any of the expats know the rules for regular bicycle riding in Pattaya and Thailand like helmet requirements or stay off sidewalks etc.[/QUOTE]You should probably wear a helmet so you don't, you know, die.

[QUOTE=McFuck;2728439]Hello Brothers,

I am planning a trip to Pattaya in late Aug / early Sep. And I was hoping you guys can guide me with these -.

- What are the prevalent prices for ST and LT? I know it might vary from girl to girl, but what's the standard after the pandemic?

- Are all bars and places open? I loved to be at soi 6 in 2019, is it open or hit by pandemic?

- Prices in soapy parlours at soi honey, are they open and what's the starting price?

- Any special insurance or documents required to enter Thailand?

- Any issues taking a bus from BKK to Pattaya?

These might be obvious questions, but seeking your help to plan my trip better.

Thank You.

McFuck.[/QUOTE]I'll be there from the 1st September, PM me if you want a wingman.

[QUOTE=McFuck;2728439]Hello Brothers,

I am planning a trip to Pattaya in late Aug / early Sep. And I was hoping you guys can guide me with these -.

- What are the prevalent prices for ST and LT? I know it might vary from girl to girl, but what's the standard after the pandemic?

- Are all bars and places open? I loved to be at soi 6 in 2019, is it open or hit by pandemic?

- Prices in soapy parlours at soi honey, are they open and what's the starting price?

- Any special insurance or documents required to enter Thailand?

- Any issues taking a bus from BKK to Pattaya?



McFuck.[/QUOTE]1 k-1. 5 k st for beerbar and thaifriendly girls.

LT is becoming more rare (this started before covid). Some girls won't go LT, ones that do I'd say double their ST rate would be accurate.

No covid requirements.

Buses running as normal.

[QUOTE=McFuck;2728439]
- What are the prevalent prices for ST and LT? I know it might vary from girl to girl, but what's the standard after the pandemic?
[/QUOTE]1000 and up for ST. 1500 and up for LT.

[QUOTE=McFuck;2728439]
- Are all bars and places open? I loved to be at soi 6 in 2019, is it open or hit by pandemic?
[/QUOTE]About 80% is open. Expect more old / ugly ladies. Less guys / tourist.

[QUOTE=McFuck;2728439]
- Prices in soapy parlours at soi honey, are they open and what's the starting price?
[/QUOTE]Its open. Didn't go so don't know prices. Mainly indians go there.

[QUOTE=McFuck;2728439]
- Any special insurance or documents required to enter Thailand?
[/QUOTE]Proof of vaccination OR a <72 HR covid test.

Insurance is NOT mandatory (but advised).

[QUOTE=McFuck;2728439]
- Any issues taking a bus from BKK to Pattaya?
[/QUOTE]No. But for 1000 b you got a taxi.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2728512]1 k-1. 5 k st for beerbar and thaifriendly girls.

LT is becoming more rare (this started before covid). Some girls won't go LT, ones that do I'd say double their ST rate would be accurate.

No covid requirements.

Buses running as normal.[/QUOTE]Generally, ladies with Thai boyfriends don't go Long Time.

They can go ST and lie to their boyfriend that they only drink. That is, if they don't work in an open bar that doesn't have onsite rooms.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2728367]What is there to say? I'll be back soon maybe? Let me send you some money.

These recent posts confirm I am a hardened dark soul. I' can't stand to listen to any woman talk for an hour. Glad you had a great trip and all - "steady barfine" is what it was called in my day. But after I got back home. That was the end. After all these women age quickly and unless you're going back every 6 months. She will get used up. Best to stick with "one night stands. " Man you're patient to tolerate being video called so many times for that duration.[/QUOTE]I agree. That's why I stick to ST. I made the mistake yesterday to take a girl out to eat instead of just giving her money to leave after the act and man I wanted to shoot myself in the face. This girl took two hours dragging me around Sukhumvit and T21 trying to figure out what she wanted to eat, in the end we ended up at the T21 food court LOL. My wallet was happy (basically got ST for 200 baht) but the time wasted and having to be in her company wasn't worth it.

For the life of me don't know how mEn live with women or date women.

[QUOTE=McFuck;2728439]Hello Brothers,

I am planning a trip to Pattaya in late Aug / early Sep. And I was hoping you guys can guide me with these -.

- What are the prevalent prices for ST and LT? I know it might vary from girl to girl, but what's the standard after the pandemic?

- Are all bars and places open? I loved to be at soi 6 in 2019, is it open or hit by pandemic?

- Prices in soapy parlours at soi honey, are they open and what's the starting price?

- Any special insurance or documents required to enter Thailand?

- Any issues taking a bus from BKK to Pattaya?

These might be obvious questions, but seeking your help to plan my trip better.

Thank You.

McFuck.[/QUOTE]Why would there be any issues taking a bus from BKK to Pattaya? If you're so worried about taking a bus, then spend the $ and take a cab.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2728367]What is there to say? I'll be back soon maybe? Let me send you some money.

These recent posts confirm I am a hardened dark soul. I' can't stand to listen to any woman talk for an hour. Glad you had a great trip and all - "steady barfine" is what it was called in my day. But after I got back home. That was the end. After all these women age quickly and unless you're going back every 6 months. She will get used up. Best to stick with "one night stands. " Man you're patient to tolerate being video called so many times for that duration.[/QUOTE]I message ladies only for logistics, ie what time I will meet them, how long they are going to stay, etc.

[QUOTE=Berrys66;2728491]If you read stickmans site it gives up to date info on everwhere in LOS.

[URL]https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/weekly-column/2022/07/pattaya-july-2022/[/URL]

Up to date info.[/QUOTE]With the caveat that Stickman reports from New Zealand. He moved there years ago and relies on his contacts for material now. It's mostly about Bangkok.

[QUOTE=McFuck;2728439]Hello Brothers,

I am planning a trip to Pattaya in late Aug / early Sep. And I was hoping you guys can guide me with these -.

- What are the prevalent prices for ST and LT? I know it might vary from girl to girl, but what's the standard after the pandemic?

- Are all bars and places open? I loved to be at soi 6 in 2019, is it open or hit by pandemic?

- Prices in soapy parlours at soi honey, are they open and what's the starting price?

- Any special insurance or documents required to enter Thailand?

- Any issues taking a bus from BKK to Pattaya?

These might be obvious questions, but seeking your help to plan my trip better.

Thank You.

McFuck.[/QUOTE]Bus from Bangkok to Pattaya is cheap and efficient. Roong Reuang Coach (10 min ride from Walking Street) operates buses to Bangkok Ekkamai hourly (next to BTS station). Tickets cost is approx and the journey takes 2 hours (depending on traffic).

[QUOTE=GreenToad;2728920]Bus from Bangkok to Pattaya is cheap and efficient. Roong Reuang Coach (10 min ride from Walking Street) operates buses to Bangkok Ekkamai hourly (next to BTS station). Tickets cost is approx and the journey takes 2 hours (depending on traffic).[/QUOTE]The bus service from Suvarnabhumi Airport in Bangkok to Pattaya is cheap and efficient too. Descend down to Level 1 at the airport, turn left and walk all the way to Exit 7. There is a booth selling bus tickets to Pattaya (130 baht, 90 minutes).

[QUOTE=McFuck;2728439]
- Are all bars and places open? I loved to be at soi 6 in 2019, is it open or hit by pandemic?
[/QUOTE]Stayed around that area late July. Seem there is still some action, not at the levels before the pandemic though. Quality was average, but I was not hunting since I brought my own food.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=PlushTiger;2729224]Stayed around that area late July. Seem there is still some action, not at the levels before the pandemic though. Quality was average, but I was not hunting since I brought my own food..[/QUOTE]There are new Soi 6 bars opening all the time.

But Soi Chaiyapoon is really the new Soi 6.

Arrive late to the Areca Lodge; likely about 1:30 am from the BKK airport. In the past (pre-covid), bars would stay open as long as patrons were buying. Is this still the case? My understanding is that bars close at 2:00 am; is this firm? Any late night options in LK Metro?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2729258]Arrive late to the Areca Lodge; likely about 1:30 am from the BKK airport. In the past (pre-covid), bars would stay open as long as patrons were buying. Is this still the case? My understanding is that bars close at 2:00 am; is this firm? Any late night options in LK Metro?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Yes, most of the bars are closing at 1:30-2 am.

When I went out at 3 am Soi Bukhao was kind of deserted.

I will be there in a couple of days, super late. I've gotten quite a bit of my questions answered from YouTubers.

As far as legitimate massage, any favorites? Maybe a spa? Russian spa?

I just read a the couple of trip reports on here from my previous visits. Looks like this trip is going to break the 5 figure mark!

[QUOTE=Mongering1;2729417]I will be there in a couple of days, super late. I've gotten quite a bit of my questions answered from YouTubers.

As far as legitimate massage, any favorites? Maybe a spa? Russian spa?

I just read a the couple of trip reports on here from my previous visits. Looks like this trip is going to break the 5 figure mark![/QUOTE]Plenty of legitimate spas in Pattaya. Check beach road.

There are no spas with Russians AFAIK. They are mostly Uzbeks and street smart. They will take you for a ride. Avoid them.

[QUOTE=Mongering1;2729417]I will be there in a couple of days, super late. I've gotten quite a bit of my questions answered from YouTubers.

As far as legitimate massage, any favorites? Maybe a spa? Russian spa?

I just read a the couple of trip reports on here from my previous visits. Looks like this trip is going to break the 5 figure mark![/QUOTE]A word of caution.

Don't trust at all what you see on YouTubers and Bloggers as being accurate for you.

They all have an agenda and edit their content to suit.

I had a lady message me today, so I asked if she wanted to come over tonight. She responded that she was going out with a lady tonight, so she couldn't. But then, she circled back to asking if she could come over for Short Time before she went out.

Translation: she had an appointment with a customer later tonight, but wanted to get a quickie in first to maximize income.

I was not particularly interested in early evening rushed sex, so I deferred to another day. Instead, I will hit the bars tonight.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2729532]A word of caution.

Don't trust at all what you see on YouTubers and Bloggers as being accurate for you.

They all have an agenda and edit their content to suit.[/QUOTE]True! Although interesting content YouTube very few provide real true content. These guy know each other same with majority of places open on Soi Buakhao and now Soi Pothole they seem to have gotten together to set their prices and hire girls that don't BF but work for drink.

Instead of prices going down these guys have pour huge money into opening and want their return and that was before inflation. Don't believe everything!

[QUOTE=GreenToad;2728920]Bus from Bangkok to Pattaya is cheap and efficient. Roong Reuang Coach (10 min ride from Walking Street) operates buses to Bangkok Ekkamai hourly (next to BTS station). Tickets cost is approx and the journey takes 2 hours (depending on traffic).[/QUOTE]Taxi costs around US $40 with current exchange rates. Goes when you want. Stops when you want. Trip takes 80 minutes or so, depending on how often you stop and the speed you direct the taxi to drive.

I simply can't imagine why a guy would go through a low class bus ride after a long flight to Thailand when a taxi is so inexpensive.

If you don't have $40 for a taxi you probably shouldn't be traveling internationally.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2730039]Taxi costs around US $40 with current exchange rates. Goes when you want. Stops when you want. Trip takes 80 minutes or so, depending on how often you stop and the speed you direct the taxi to drive.

I simply can't imagine why a guy would go through a low class bus ride after a long flight to Thailand when a taxi is so inexpensive.

If you don't have $40 for a taxi you probably shouldn't be traveling internationally.[/QUOTE]One may also remember that once you get to the Pattaya station you need to deal with any luggage that you have with you, backpack / shoulder bag no be deal, but if you are traveling for a length of time you will probably have a roller bag of some size which will need to be handled until you get to your accommodation. Baht Bus maybe, but most end up having to get another taxi in Pattaya- some call the taxi mafia- which will in the long run reduce your savings by taking a bus.

If you arrange your transportation in advance with a local Taxi Service like Nam's Lady Taxi Drivers the fee is 1000 Bhat (current $28) - they meet you at the airport meeting point and take you to your door in Pattaya- overall I think it is worth it.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2730049]One may also remember that once you get to the Pattaya station you need to deal with any luggage that you have with you, backpack / shoulder bag no be deal, but if you are traveling for a length of time you will probably have a roller bag of some size which will need to be handled until you get to your accommodation. Baht Bus maybe, but most end up having to get another taxi in Pattaya- some call the taxi mafia- which will in the long run reduce your savings by taking a bus.

If you arrange your transportation in advance with a local Taxi Service like Nam's Lady Taxi Drivers the fee is 1000 Bhat (current $28) - they meet you at the airport meeting point and take you to your door in Pattaya- overall I think it is worth it.[/QUOTE]Each time I arrive Bangkok airport, I use BTS to reach my hotel in Bangkok which is very cheap and even faster the to use a taxi.

And when I'm going to Pattaya from airport, I use the BUS which is only 200 bahts and you have a bus every 30 min which is perfect!

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2730049]One may also remember that once you get to the Pattaya station you need to deal with any luggage that you have with you, backpack / shoulder bag no be deal, but if you are traveling for a length of time you will probably have a roller bag of some size which will need to be handled until you get to your accommodation. Baht Bus maybe, but most end up having to get another taxi in Pattaya- some call the taxi mafia- which will in the long run reduce your savings by taking a bus.[/QUOTE]Add to that the potential waiting, and the weather could be hotter than Hades or raining like crazy. I tried it once for the heck of it, taking the bus from Bangkok to Pattaya. Learned my lesson. Never again. IMO door to door service is worth the coin. I used Bell Travel but I don't know if they are operating post-CoVid.

SL.

I have recently used Mr. Taxi Service in BKK to Pattaya and it is reputable. It's also cool to see your name written on a white paper being held by the driver. After your long ass flight.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2730075]Add to that the potential waiting, and the weather could be hotter than Hades or raining like crazy. I tried it once for the heck of it, taking the bus from Bangkok to Pattaya. Learned my lesson. Never again. IMO door to door service is worth the coin. I used Bell Travel but I don't know if they are operating post-CoVid.

SL.[/QUOTE]I second (third?) the notion to avoid the bus. I thought it was a deal - 200 baht! Now, it could have been the road or this particular bus, but it felt like we were at sea, bouncing up and down for most of the over 2+ hour trip. I'm not one to get motion sick, but it was enough to bother me. Then add in the need to find transportation in Pattaya and I wasted a lot of time and energy to save 700 baht (50 baht for the hotel-bus station transit in both cities as I stayed in Bangkok first).

If you do decide to take the bus, a word of caution: don't be late. I arrived one minute late due to traffic and had to get another ticket. I took the taxi to the airport from Pattaya. So ask yourself: Is your time worth $20 dollars?

I should remind everyone that the Thai baht has plunged in value this year, so Thailand is very cheap.

Right now, cost of ladies or drinks or transport are not a big issue in my planning. What matters to me now are time and the number of shots I can manage.

I am doing two ladies per day, one early in day, and one late at night, for a sleepover. Sometimes the day lady forces me to fuck, which screws up my schedule.

I go to Vietnam on Monday for a short trip with my bargirlfriend. So, my remaining time in Pattaya is limited.

The fastest times from my apartment near Nana BTS station in Bangkok to the front door of my Pattaya Walking Street hotel was about 2 hours and 10 minutes.

I'm talking about during pre Covid normal times and at a reasonable time of mid-morning or mid-day departure. I'm sure I could have done it faster if I'd taken a taxi all the way and started at some ungodly hour of the early morning or late night when traffic is lighter. But I am not into that. And I hate sitting in parking lot jammed traffic in Bangkok either by bus or taxi where it takes almost 90 minutes just to get out of the city.

So here is what I did with my one small carry-on bag:

I sailed over and past all the inner city Bangkok traffic by riding the BTS (could be the MRT, depending on the location of your hotel or apartment) to the nearest Airport Rail Link station. Then I rode that train to its Lat Krabang station. That is the last station before the airport (Suvarnabhumi Airport).

There is no reason to ride it all the way into the airport, then have to walk from the train terminal to the airport exits or bus / taxi dispatchers and all that. 45 baht to Lat Krabang plus about 25 baht for the BTS / MRT to get to the nearest Airport Rail Link station.

I just walked down the steps at Lat Krabang station, hailed and negotiated a fare with one of the dozens of taxis passing through right there. It was usually 1,000 - 1,200 baht total. No, it isn't a savings vs a taxi from the airport. But there is zero in and out of the airport hassle. That spot is very close to the expressway on ramp.

From there the taxi ride to Pattaya and my hotel on Walking Street was usually a little more than an hour.

The thing I liked about going that way is I was never at the mercy of Bangkok's inner city traffic. I was always on the move to my destination at a clip.

I also liked to return from Pattaya to Bangkok by simply reversing the process. But it was often a bit of a chore explaining to the taxi driver that, no, I don't want to be taken all the way to the airport, just drop me off at the Lat Krabang Airport Rail Link station instead, don't worry, I'll pay the same amount as though you're taking me to the airport. That worked.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2724089]Annie Jacks is one of your best bets in Soi Buakhao area but if you see a girl you like, establish early if she's bar-fineable as some make enough from lady-drinks they don't go with customers. Rest & Chill and Lai in the corner of Tree Town have pretty girls but the latter has a ludicrous 1000 BF. That's not to say you can't swap Line details with one of their girls and meet during the day though. French Kiss in Tree Town is popular later at night because it has a dance floor and, speaking of dancing, Beach Club in the middle of tree town is a nightclub with freelancers and entry is free. I didn't establish prices because I took a gogo girl there instead. Speaking of gogos, Queen on LK Metro seems to be stocked with the prettiest selection of girls at the moment, Crystal Club is usually a good bet and Sugar Sugar is also worth visiting.

But my recommendation would just be to walk along soi Buakhao and loop around Tree Town until you see a girl you like the look of. Even in the quiet bars you can find a gem. Joy Bar, Blue Sky Bar and Avatar are always worth stopping at for a drink and give an ideal spot to see girls walking along the street.

On a sidenote, if you like soi 6 and not being ripped off, consider exploring the gents clubs. They have identical pricing to soi 6 (300 for a room, 1000 for the girl) and beer is usually cheap with 2-for-1 offers and suchlike. Some of the the gents clubs on Soi Pothole had nice looking girls outside and there are loads of GCs on soi Boomerang.[/QUOTE]You should be Upgraded to Lord from Sir for such useful posts. Thanks and bookmarked.

Just to confirm, the bar fine is 300 THB for most of the bars including Sugar Sugar? I hate drinking so just want to select the girl and come out. Don't want to pay to mamasan, lady drinks etc.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2696711]How many guys have reported going out and not being able to find a chick they wanted? They spend hours going from bar to bar seeing 4 or 5 chicks at a time. With TF you can quickly scroll hundreds of chicks while comfortably sitting on your toilet. Talk to the one you like and say come over right now. Yes there are risks. And the flakiness usually comes when you want to make a reservation. If you tell them lets do it right here right now same as you would at a bar, then there will be less of a chance of flaking. Some chicks on there are regular chicks with regular jobs though, so do not mistake everyone as being P4P.[/QUOTE]TF has one major problem. There is no predictability when the girl will arrive. It can be anywhere between 1 hour to 3 hours. Lot of girls can't reply due to 10 minutes limit. Many don't check TF frequently and the good looking once her 500 messages everyday.

I don't drink hence I have tried TF many times. It works but not worth spending 2 hours everyday and messaging to check when are you leaving. If it's better to go out and pick at your convenience.

Lot of girls have put heavily photoshop pics on TF too which you can avoid by meeting them at bars.

The bus takes the same time to get from the airport to Pattaya as a taxi does. And if you are arriving in the morning there will not be anything else to do anyway. What I used to do is arrive and go downstairs to see if a bus is getting ready to leave. If it is, then I hop on it. I do not remember the price. Depending on the bus it was like 120-200 baht. If it will be another hour wait, then I just go upstairs and get a taxi for 1000 baht because I could have arrived in a taxi by the time I had waited 1 hour for a bus.

I definitely will not take a bus from Pattaya to Bangkok City or the reverse anymore. I did that once and it took 5 hours.

[QUOTE=JasonSilva;2730354]You should be Upgraded to Lord from Sir for such useful posts. Thanks and bookmarked.

Just to confirm, the bar fine is 300 THB for most of the bars including Sugar Sugar? I hate drinking so just want to select the girl and come out. Don't want to pay to mamasan, lady drinks etc.[/QUOTE]Haha, thanks for the compliment. I do regret choosing a titled username!

300/400 baht was the barfine at most of the beer bars in Tree Town when I visited in March but it's always more expensive at gogo bars. As a general rule of thumb, anywhere you get to see a 'show', I. E semi-nude girls dancing on stage, the bar-fine will be more. The gogo bars on LK Metro and Sugar Sugar were charging 600-800.

If you're not in to your drinking, consider starting your search at 6 pm /7 pm as a lot of girls have just started their shift and the gogo bars have them sat on stools outside to entice customers in. You'll see pretty girls outside places like Sugar Sugar, Crystal Club, Kink, Queen etc. I know you said you don't like buying lady-drinks but one advantage is that you can have a chat with your choice of girl and if you hit it off swap Line details. You can meet her when she's not working (I. E next afternoon) without having to pay her bar-fine.

[QUOTE=JasonSilva;2730364]TF has one major problem. There is no predictability when the girl will arrive. It can be anywhere between 1 hour to 3 hours.[/QUOTE]Never had that problem. I have a motorbike so if the chick does not have one I am usually picking her up or going to chill at her place. Most of the time it is them bugging me about when I am coming.

Great content on pattya forum so far. Looking forward to my 1st trip here, though been to BKK 3 times!

Just a simpler Q. Other than walking street, is there a Nana plaza and Thermae equivalent in Pattaya that's mainly for freelancer??

Thanks. And hoping to add more reports here too.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2730039]Taxi costs around US $40 with current exchange rates. Goes when you want. Stops when you want. Trip takes 80 minutes or so, depending on how often you stop and the speed you direct the taxi to drive.

I simply can't imagine why a guy would go through a low class bus ride after a long flight to Thailand when a taxi is so inexpensive.

If you don't have $40 for a taxi you probably shouldn't be traveling internationally.[/QUOTE]It's a personal choice for me and has little to do with budget. I sometimes take a taxi (almost always take a taxi to Pattaya from the airport), but confess that if I am in Bangkok and I'm going to Pattaya for the weekend with just a small handbag, I enjoy the BTS ride, walking around Ekkamai bus terminal looking at people, and enjoy watching people in the "low class" bus. I don't usually enjoy sitting behind a taxi driver for 2 hours with nothing to say. The bus is also environmentally friendly if you care about that.

[QUOTE=NemanLion;2730468]Great content on pattya forum so far. Looking forward to my 1st trip here, though been to BKK 3 times!

Just a simpler Q. Other than walking street, is there a Nana plaza and Thermae equivalent in Pattaya that's mainly for freelancer??

Thanks. And hoping to add more reports here too.[/QUOTE]Nana Plaza is quite unique in its layout (anyone remember the hair salon on the third floor?) You won't find a three storey complex like that in Pattaya but there are streets of gogo bars. Walking Street has lots of options but is generally quite expensive. Some would say the quality of girls in Pinup are worth the expense though. I prefer Soi LK Metro as it's cheaper with less ladydrink pressure, plus there are some really good bars. I'd rank Queen as the top-dog but others are very good too.

When you say you're looking for a Thermae equivalent, I presume you don't mean a basement you get throat cancer in within ten minutes because it's so smoky, rather a place packed with freelancers? Maybe nightclubs like Beach Club are your best bet although most gogo / beer bar girls are freelancers when they're not working in their bar. Download Line and get lots of contacts in your phone and you won't be short of daytime meets for only 1000 baht. Only go to Beach Road for freelancers if bargain basement banging is your thing.

For your first trip to Pattaya, you must give soi 6 a visit too, it's your quintessential Pattaya experience. It's a long road of bars with lots of girls lining the street. Find a girl you like, take her upstairs to a short-time room (1300 baht, all in) and half an hour later you'll be heading back to your hotel with a smile on your face.

The baht buses give a good approximation of how busy Pattaya is.

3 months ago, I would wait 10 minutes for a baht bus to come by. Now, there are traffic jams made up of baht buses.

Tonight, I am planning something special, a lady I know who lusts after busty ladies when she is drunk. So, she will come to the condo to drink, and when she is ready, we will go to some gogo and I will let her pick a lady to molest. If she is into it, I will barfine the lady to take back to the condo for more fun.

That's the plan, but this is Pattaya where plans go to die.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2730415]

I definitely will not take a bus from Pattaya to Bangkok City or the reverse anymore. I did that once and it took 5 hours.[/QUOTE]The intra-BKK part usually takes a lot of time due to BKK traffic. A workaround is to get off at first BTS stop and take the BTS from there. Saves a lot of time.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2730543]Nana Plaza is quite unique in its layout (anyone remember the hair salon on the third floor?) You won't find a three storey complex like that in Pattaya but there are streets of gogo bars. Walking Street has lots of options but is generally quite expensive. Some would say the quality of girls in Pinup are worth the expense though. I prefer Soi LK Metro as it's cheaper with less ladydrink pressure, plus there are some really good bars. I'd rank Queen as the top-dog but others are very good too.

When you say you're looking for a Thermae equivalent, I presume you don't mean a basement you get throat cancer in within ten minutes because it's so smoky, rather a place packed with freelancers? Maybe nightclubs like Beach Club are your best bet although most gogo / beer bar girls are freelancers when they're not working in their bar. Download Line and get lots of contacts in your phone and you won't be short of daytime meets for only 1000 baht. Only go to Beach Road for freelancers if bargain basement banging is your thing.

For your first trip to Pattaya, you must give soi 6 a visit too, it's your quintessential Pattaya experience. It's a long road of bars with lots of girls lining the street. Find a girl you like, take her upstairs to a short-time room (1300 baht, all in) and half an hour later you'll be heading back to your hotel with a smile on your face.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot Sir Lancelot. Appreciate your input. And I'm a heavy smoker so the basements will suit me fine LOL. But I was referring to Thermae as freelance pickup. Had the most amazing finds there and I usually get hotel close to that. Makes life easy. So I was seeing what is the equivalent of that in Pattaya. Will definitely check Soi 6. Have to learn from the master!

[QUOTE=NemanLion;2730468]Great content on pattya forum so far. Looking forward to my 1st trip here, though been to BKK 3 times!

Just a simpler Q. Other than walking street, is there a Nana plaza and Thermae equivalent in Pattaya that's mainly for freelancer??

Thanks. And hoping to add more reports here too.[/QUOTE]No. For gogobars you need to go Walking street or LK Metro. WS Expensive? Depends on your taste. As said pinup is easy the number 1 Gogobar in town.

For LK Metro I think KINK is worth a visit. Old Windmill staff (and girls) created a great venue in LK!

Freelancers? Thaifriendly / Tinder. And they walk around in clubs like ibar / insomnia / republic / lucifer /808/ Myst. Enough choice in music and girls.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2730461]Never had that problem. I have a motorbike so if the chick does not have one I am usually picking her up or going to chill at her place. Most of the time it is them bugging me about when I am coming.[/QUOTE]With great respect to Mr. Entertainment- I was on the ground for 30 days recently, had 32 sessions with TF- on each I would send a "map" of my location from Line, to the lady and ask her to keep in touch with me on timing- I had one which had not shown up within the hour- she got cancelled- she blamed it on her Mother- all others were within 5-10 minutes of appointment time- several were as much as 30 minutes early- I really think the Line Map helped.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2730601]

Tonight, I am planning something special, a lady I know who lusts after busty ladies when she is drunk. So, she will come to the condo to drink, and when she is ready, we will go to some gogo and I will let her pick a lady to molest. If she is into it, I will barfine the lady to take back to the condo for more fun.

That's the plan, but this is Pattaya where plans go to die.[/QUOTE]I made a newbie mistake last night, which ruined my plans.

The lady came over, and got smashed in my condo.

But, I took her to a bar that she goes to a lot, and she ended up sitting and chatting with some lady friend who I was supposed to buy drinks for. So, I bailed.

The mistake was taking her to a bar where she knew the ladies, I should have taken her somewhere new.

The last thing I want to do when I am on a trip is hang out in my hotel room shopping for girls on the internet. What a time consuming, boring thing to do! Get out, enjoy the nightlife, smell the sea breeze, go to Go Go's, bars, nightclubs, gentlemen clubs, Soi 6, window shop sw's; there is so much to take in. Pattaya is a truly extraordinary place, but you have to get out and mix things up. Maybe guys had no choice during the prolonged lockdown, but now you do.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2730461]Never had that problem. I have a motorbike so if the chick does not have one I am usually picking her up or going to chill at her place. Most of the time it is them bugging me about when I am coming.[/QUOTE]That is certainly one way of solving the unpredictablity problem. Though I like comfort and safety of my hotel room.

Do you only message girls who are online on TF? As they are the once who will reply instantly and can come in next 30 minutes.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2730928]The last thing I want to do when I am on a trip is hang out in my hotel room shopping for girls on the internet. What a time consuming, boring thing to do! Get out, enjoy the nightlife, smell the sea breeze, go to Go Go's, bars, nightclubs, gentlemen clubs, Soi 6, window shop sw's; there is so much to take in. Pattaya is a truly extraordinary place, but you have to get out and mix things up. Maybe guys had no choice during the prolonged lockdown, but now you do.[/QUOTE]Agree 1000000%.

I always have to get out and "live" the location.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2730049]One may also remember that once you get to the Pattaya station you need to deal with any luggage that you have with you, backpack / shoulder bag no be deal, but if you are traveling for a length of time you will probably have a roller bag of some size which will need to be handled until you get to your accommodation. Baht Bus maybe, but most end up having to get another taxi in Pattaya- some call the taxi mafia- which will in the long run reduce your savings by taking a bus.

If you arrange your transportation in advance with a local Taxi Service like Nam's Lady Taxi Drivers the fee is 1000 Bhat (current $28) - they meet you at the airport meeting point and take you to your door in Pattaya- overall I think it is worth it.[/QUOTE]Absolutely.

I use a VIP taxi service. They pick me up at my gate when my plane arrives. Take me right through immigration with no line. Then into an air conditioned luxury vehicle that drives the speed I want, stops when I want, delivers me to my destination and carries my bags.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2731512]Absolutely.

I use a VIP taxi service. They pick me up at my gate when my plane arrives. Take me right through immigration with no line. Then into an air conditioned luxury vehicle that drives the speed I want, stops when I want, delivers me to my destination and carries my bags.[/QUOTE]Better yet, I use the personal SUPER VIP service that picks me up after plane lands and docks. They come lift me up from my seat and carry me on their shoulders, down the plane's steps, and straight to a private air conditioned station wagon with mattress. If I am hungry, they hand feed me and wipe my mouth with a napkin if needed. I don't need to lift a finger to do anything. How I envy sloths.

Hey Rick Rock.

How much. Ballpark wise. Is that service where you get your name on the whiteboard next to the Wheel-Chair airline staff. That escorts you to customs, in a private car, etc. Just curious. Thanks!

Why are Gentlemens Clubs so popular now?

Last night, I was buying drinks for 3 or 4 ladies, when I noticed that I was the last customer in the bar. (It was 1 am). Immediately, the ladies got naked, not just the 3 or 4, but the cashiers and other ladies, as well.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2731512]Absolutely.

I use a VIP taxi service. They pick me up at my gate when my plane arrives. Take me right through immigration with no line. Then into an air conditioned luxury vehicle that drives the speed I want, stops when I want, delivers me to my destination and carries my bags.[/QUOTE]Good day Rick!

I tried to send you a PM, but the mailbox is full it seems. Would you mind sharing the name of the VIP taxi service you use. I know there are many, but using one that is recommended is perfect. The fact they have someone meet you at the gate is awesome!

Best,

Sky.

"Life is a balance between holding on and letting go".

--Rumi.

A lot of ink has been spilled on the post-Covid situation in Thailand, and I think a lot of guys have questions about the situation here. There's no doubt that mongering in Thailand has changed, and my guess is that some of the changes are likely structural in nature, and therefore permanent. That being said, there's still lots of fun to be had here for a certain segment of the monger population.

(By way on (re-) introduction, I'm a long-term expat based in Bangkok. I'm from southern California and cut my teeth mongering in Tijuana, Mexico. I used to post a lot on the Tijuana forums back in the day but stopped posting on this forum when I re-located to Thailand for work about 10 years back. The TL forums back then were not so friendly so I gradually stopped posting / visiting. About a month ago, I was stuck at home in Bangkok due to a Covid isolation requirement, and, being bored shitless, decided to re-visit the TL forums. I'm glad I did and I hope I can offer you some insights).

I will start with some random points and conclude with a few final thoughts for those of you considering a trip. I just returned to Bangkok after a long weekend in Pattaya, my third visit this year.

As others have noted, the center of gravity for mongering in Pattaya has shifted from Beach Road and Walking Street to Soi Buakhow. If you're traveling to Pattaya and want to stay close to the action then my advice is to pick a hotel within a few hundred meters of the central part of Buakhow. That way, you can easily walk to most of the action while still being able to take a Baht bus along Buakhow towards Walking Street or, if you're going to Soi 6, along 2nd Road. Bolt app is also a great option now for Pattaya (for both motorcycles and cars).

The government is clearly trying to re-brand Pattaya as a family resort / convention center hub. As such, they're slowly pushing the mongering back from Beach Road and even back from 2nd Road. A few of the small beer bar complexes between 2nd and Buakhow were victims to this re-development scheme. That being said, new complexes (e. G. Tree Town) have been approved for Buakhow. Out of sight, out of mind, I guess. The big issue they're facing now, it seems to me, is infrastructure: Buakhow is a narrow, winding road without sidewalks and it's getting even more dangerous to walk along it in the evenings. Parking, even for motorbikes, is almost non-existent.

There are a lot of positives to the Buakhow area:

If you're a drinker, the beer is definitely cheaper along here, with many places that serve cheap happy hour specials. There are also a few places (At All, Katesiree) that serve large bottles of local beer at great prices (a large (630 ML) LEO at At All is an unbelievably low 70 THB) and you can sit and watch the world go by on Buakhow.

There are a lot of reasonably prices restaurants (Hungry Hippo, Cheap Charlie's) with good food (especially breakfasts) that are popular with expats and also a number of more expensive places (Beer Hubb). Something for everybody. The Buakhow market / food court area is also a nice place to get cheap Thai food.

The Buakhow area has shaped up to be G-Club central. When I visited over Songkran in April a few clubs were open, but not all. That has now changed and most are now open so I suggest trying Soi Boomerang if you're a fan of G-Clubs. (If you're not familiar with G-Clubs, they're like a more laid-back / quieter version of the Soi 6 bars and everything is indoors).

You're close to massage shops. There are a number of these along Buakhow itself, but the most infamous ones reside adjacent to Buakhow on Second Road Soi 11 (Honey). Most of these shops open by 10 am and by late afternoon they're usually packed with girls sitting outside waiting for customers. If you want a massage with extras, but aren't sure if a shop offers them, then fear not: all massage shops on this soi have exactly what you need.

Buakhow side sois are also worth checking out:

Soi Pothole (Chaiyapoon) is definitely worth a visit although I realize this was not previously the case as many of these places were, in years past, a bit downscale (mainly low-end massage shops and dingy bars in which cheap beer was the main attraction). I never used to give this soi a second glance but things have really changed in the past two years. There are now a lot of nice bars on this soi, many with ST rooms on the premises. It seems to be evolving into a new version of Soi 6, albeit with lower customer beer prices (room prices average about 300 THB; ST averages 1,000 THB; and lady drinks average 150 THB). There are also a couple of decent G-Clubs on this soi: I prefer Maggie Mays to the Den, even though the Den is nicer on the inside, and High Rollers is also very nice inside (although, surprisingly it doesn't open until 6 pm, which is out of character with local G-Clubs). These places are not that expensive, with drink prices that are slightly higher than the surrounding bars and lady drinks about the same. Definitely worth a look (it's worth noting as you get closer to Third Road, past the G-Clubs, many of the bars are LB bars, so tread carefully).

I'll give a special shout-out to Maggie Mays on Soi Pothole. I visited Maggie Mays back in April but was disappointedall girls were occupied and it was / is a place that caters to locals. This is difficult, even when you live in Thailand, because the girls will take a sure thing (one lady drink from a regular guy they know) over somebody they don't know who may / may not buy them multiple drinks and go for "extras". I decided to give it one more try and I'm glad I did. It was crowded again when I went in, but there were plenty of girls outside (a good sign). I just bided my time at the bar until the group of customers (guys who had stopped by after golfing) left. By that time, I had my girl picked out and moved her to one of the couches in the back. Everybody there is very friendly (girls, bar staff, other customers) and quite accommodating. If you want something, just ask. There are curtains that pull around the couches if you want in-bar fun, and also rooms upstairs. My girl said that full service was possible right there on the couch. It's a 200 Baht "couch fee" and a 300 Baht room fee. Prices for the girl are the same. So, as we say in Thailand, it's up to you.

Soi Lengkee is worth a stroll also. There are a couple of beer bars with decent looking women in them (I didn't stop in but later regretted that). There is also La Poste Bar, which is an older G-Club in this area. The talent line up was not the greatest when I last went, but I stopped in for a drink / grope anyway. One of the nice features of this place is that when you buy a girl a drink her top automatically comes down. You can stand at the bar and paw away or move to the couches. I didn't witness any pull curtains around the couches on my most recent trip but I've heard that you can have fun right there in the bar. This is an older bar / club but the rooms upstairs are surprisingly nice, and come fully equipped with tickle feathers / whips / chains etc. (Yes, this was a surprise for me, also. I've not seen that before).

LK Metro

Prior to Covid, I had been through here but never spent much time in any of the bars. There really is a lot of diversity on this soi: everything from an Irish pub with live music to a sports bar to a multi-floor go-go with a stage that drops between the second and first floors (Kink). There are also open-air beer bars with a lot of freelancers in them. One could come to Pattaya for a week, go out every night, and quite literally never have to leave this soi for nightlife options. Definitely worth checking out, doing a bit of bar hopping, and finding a place that you like best. I've not explored every bar but Kink is fun (gets expensive), Billabong is okay for freelancers and outdoor vibe, and I-rovers sports bar has pretty good food and lots of televisions to watch. Pandora's (a small go-go) is also on this soi although it has changed owners and the new management, sadly, does not allow at-the-bar fully-exposed BJs (yes, this really was a thing, and yes, I have participated although I was a bit timid at first).

Soi 6

The Six is still around and I would estimate that approximately three-quarters of the places along there have now re-opened. I tend to visit The Six in the afternoons, so I've not seen it at its wildest as of late. When I did the stroll down from Second Road, there were very few customers but girls everywhere at about 3 pm. I got a lot of attention just for slowly walking along. Expats I have chatted with tend to either love or hate Soi 6. I'm somewhere in the middle. I like the idea, just not what it has evolved into. Nowadays, the vibe seems to be less about using the facilities and more about drinking, loud music, buying shots for the (male) manager (why would I ever do that? And having themed "parties" based on the flimsiest of premises ("Bee's birthday" Maybe I'm too old but it seems like they took a good thing and turned it into a noisy free-for-all while forgetting they are in open-air bars with no door (hence no real secluded area for hands-on fun). The Six, at least to me, has always been about finding a girl who takes your fancy, buying her a drink and doing the squeeze test, and either going upstairs or moving on. The Adelita's of the East, if you will. Alas, no more. So, I tend to stick to the quieter, closed-front bars that operate more in that model. More relaxed ambiance, less pressure, and air conditioning to boot.

One place worth mentioning that is NOT a traditional Soi 6 bar is the Queen Victoria Pub. It's on the left as you're walking towards Beach Road. A nice air-conditioned place to grab a quiet pint in between rounds while you "re-charge" or to fuel up on a breakfast / pub lunch before you get started. I've used it as an oasis from the craziness / pressure to buy girl drinks on Soi 6 on numerous occasions.

Walking Street and Windmill

I didn't spend much here on my trips this year. I've always preferred other areas in Pattaya for mongering, as Walking Street (pre-Covid) very much had a "fish bowl" vibe, with guided tours of Chinese traipsing around and gawking tourists everywhere. I couldn't help but get the feeling, as a middle-aged white guy, that I was part of the tour: "look, there goes another farang monger. ". In any event, with all the fun on Buakhow and surrounding areas I see less and less reason to patronize this area. I visited recently because I went to the Windmill one evening and then walked from Soi Diamond back along Walking Street before heading back to my hotel. It was busier than I expected but nowhere near previous levels. Since most of the people visiting before were observers, not mongers, I've no idea what that means for the mongering scene there. Judging from my experience at the Windmill, it has declined. The Windmill used to have a decent lineup, with two floors of fun going. The upstairs portion was closed off when I visited and, although the downstairs portion still has the "fun" areas at the back (furthest away from the entrance) the lineup of the more "willing" girls at the back was disappointing and not up to its usual standards. I still had a good time, of course, and the old wild vibe is still there with guys having on-stage fun, girls doing shower shows etc. But quality has slipped, and I hope they manage to bring it back.

Final thoughts

A very long post, and for those of you outside Thailand I hope I've managed to shed some light on the situation here. Overall, it's not back to (pre-Covid) normal and my sense is it never will be. There are a lot of places that are still closed and will likely not open again and it will be a long time before Thailand sees 2019 numbers of tourists. We may have to let the previous idealized view of Pattaya / Thailand go. That being said, there are still countless options--more than one guy can ever review in one post--and I think most guys can find something they are interested in here.

So, if you're a returnee considering a trip, my advice is to go for it. If you plan your trip around the Buakhow area you'll still have a lot of fun and be right in the thick of things. If you're a first-timer, I still say it's worth it but read the forums and watch a few YouTube videos just to make sure it will meet your expectations. If you want to play it safe, delay your trip a few months and visit over the new year holiday (or even in the new year). By then, we'll be in high season and have a better understanding of what that means, for Pattaya and for Thailand.

I'll try to keep posting for Pattaya and Bangkok with shorter reviews of other areas in Bangkok / trips to Pattaya (I'm hanging out more in Jomtien these days). In the interim, happy mongering!

I agree with that long post about Pattaya 100%.

Maybe Pattaya is still not up to pre-Covid levels, but there are more than enough bars and ladies.

It's 1000 times bigger than the Tijuana bars.

[QUOTE=BlueNose;2731711]"Life is a balance between holding on and letting go".

--Rumi.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the write up, that's a really helpful snapshot of the place.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2731697]Why are Gentlemens Clubs so popular now?

Last night, I was buying drinks for 3 or 4 ladies, when I noticed that I was the last customer in the bar. (It was 1 am). Immediately, the ladies got naked, not just the 3 or 4, but the cashiers and other ladies, as well.[/QUOTE]Seems we need more details.

[QUOTE=BlueNose;2731711]"Life is a balance between holding on and letting go".

--Rumi.

A lot of ink has been spilled on the post-Covid situation in Thailand, and I think a lot of guys have questions about the situation here. There's no doubt that mongering in Thailand has changed, and my guess is that some of the changes are likely structural in nature, and therefore permanent. That being said, there's still lots of fun to be had here for a certain segment of the monger population.

(By way on (re-) introduction, I'm a long-term expat based in Bangkok. I'm from southern California and cut my teeth mongering in Tijuana, Mexico. I used to post a lot on the Tijuana forums back in the day but stopped posting on this forum when I re-located to Thailand for work about 10 years back. The TL forums back then were not so friendly so I gradually stopped posting / visiting. About a month ago, I was stuck at home in Bangkok due to a Covid isolation requirement, and, being bored shitless, decided to re-visit the TL forums. I'm glad I did and I hope I can offer you some insights).

I will start with some random points and conclude with a few final thoughts for those of you considering a trip. I just returned to Bangkok after a long weekend in Pattaya, my third visit this year.

As others have noted, the center of gravity for mongering in Pattaya has shifted from Beach Road and Walking Street to Soi Buakhow. If you're traveling to Pattaya and want to stay close to the action then my advice is to pick a hotel within a few hundred meters of the central part of Buakhow. That way, you can easily walk to most of the action while still being able to take a Baht bus along Buakhow towards Walking Street or, if you're going to Soi 6, along 2nd Road. Bolt app is also a great option now for Pattaya (for both motorcycles and cars).

The government is clearly trying to re-brand Pattaya as a family resort / convention center hub. As such, they're slowly pushing the mongering back from Beach Road and even back from 2nd Road. A few of the small beer bar complexes between 2nd and Buakhow were victims to this re-development scheme. That being said, new complexes (e. G. Tree Town) have been approved for Buakhow. Out of sight, out of mind, I guess. The big issue they're facing now, it seems to me, is infrastructure: Buakhow is a narrow, winding road without sidewalks and it's getting even more dangerous to walk along it in the evenings. Parking, even for motorbikes, is almost non-existent.

There are a lot of positives to the Buakhow area:

If you're a drinker, the beer is definitely cheaper along here, with many places that serve cheap happy hour specials. There are also a few places (At All, Katesiree) that serve large bottles of local beer at great prices (a large (630 ML) LEO at At All is an unbelievably low 70 THB) and you can sit and watch the world go by on Buakhow.

There are a lot of reasonably prices restaurants (Hungry Hippo, Cheap Charlie's) with good food (especially breakfasts) that are popular with expats and also a number of more expensive places (Beer Hubb). Something for everybody. The Buakhow market / food court area is also a nice place to get cheap Thai food.

The Buakhow area has shaped up to be G-Club central. When I visited over Songkran in April a few clubs were open, but not all. That has now changed and most are now open so I suggest trying Soi Boomerang if you're a fan of G-Clubs. (If you're not familiar with G-Clubs, they're like a more laid-back / quieter version of the Soi 6 bars and everything is indoors).

You're close to massage shops. There are a number of these along Buakhow itself, but the most infamous ones reside adjacent to Buakhow on Second Road Soi 11 (Honey). Most of these shops open by 10 am and by late afternoon they're usually packed with girls sitting outside waiting for customers. If you want a massage with extras, but aren't sure if a shop offers them, then fear not: all massage shops on this soi have exactly what you need.

Buakhow side sois are also worth checking out:

Soi Pothole (Chaiyapoon) is definitely worth a visit although I realize this was not previously the case as many of these places were, in years past, a bit downscale (mainly low-end massage shops and dingy bars in which cheap beer was the main attraction). I never used to give this soi a second glance but things have really changed in the past two years. There are now a lot of nice bars on this soi, many with ST rooms on the premises. It seems to be evolving into a new version of Soi 6, albeit with lower customer beer prices (room prices average about 300 THB; ST averages 1,000 THB; and lady drinks average 150 THB). There are also a couple of decent G-Clubs on this soi: I prefer Maggie Mays to the Den, even though the Den is nicer on the inside, and High Rollers is also very nice inside (although, surprisingly it doesn't open until 6 pm, which is out of character with local G-Clubs). These places are not that expensive, with drink prices that are slightly higher than the surrounding bars and lady drinks about the same. Definitely worth a look (it's worth noting as you get closer to Third Road, past the G-Clubs, many of the bars are LB bars, so tread carefully).

I'll give a special shout-out to Maggie Mays on Soi Pothole. I visited Maggie Mays back in April but was disappointedall girls were occupied and it was / is a place that caters to locals. This is difficult, even when you live in Thailand, because the girls will take a sure thing (one lady drink from a regular guy they know) over somebody they don't know who may / may not buy them multiple drinks and go for "extras". I decided to give it one more try and I'm glad I did. It was crowded again when I went in, but there were plenty of girls outside (a good sign). I just bided my time at the bar until the group of customers (guys who had stopped by after golfing) left. By that time, I had my girl picked out and moved her to one of the couches in the back. Everybody there is very friendly (girls, bar staff, other customers) and quite accommodating. If you want something, just ask. There are curtains that pull around the couches if you want in-bar fun, and also rooms upstairs. My girl said that full service was possible right there on the couch. It's a 200 Baht "couch fee" and a 300 Baht room fee. Prices for the girl are the same. So, as we say in Thailand, it's up to you.

Soi Lengkee is worth a stroll also. There are a couple of beer bars with decent looking women in them (I didn't stop in but later regretted that). There is also La Poste Bar, which is an older G-Club in this area. The talent line up was not the greatest when I last went, but I stopped in for a drink / grope anyway. One of the nice features of this place is that when you buy a girl a drink her top automatically comes down. You can stand at the bar and paw away or move to the couches. I didn't witness any pull curtains around the couches on my most recent trip but I've heard that you can have fun right there in the bar. This is an older bar / club but the rooms upstairs are surprisingly nice, and come fully equipped with tickle feathers / whips / chains etc. (Yes, this was a surprise for me, also. I've not seen that before).

LK Metro

Prior to Covid, I had been through here but never spent much time in any of the bars. There really is a lot of diversity on this soi: everything from an Irish pub with live music to a sports bar to a multi-floor go-go with a stage that drops between the second and first floors (Kink). There are also open-air beer bars with a lot of freelancers in them. One could come to Pattaya for a week, go out every night, and quite literally never have to leave this soi for nightlife options. Definitely worth checking out, doing a bit of bar hopping, and finding a place that you like best. I've not explored every bar but Kink is fun (gets expensive), Billabong is okay for freelancers and outdoor vibe, and I-rovers sports bar has pretty good food and lots of televisions to watch. Pandora's (a small go-go) is also on this soi although it has changed owners and the new management, sadly, does not allow at-the-bar fully-exposed BJs (yes, this really was a thing, and yes, I have participated although I was a bit timid at first).

Soi 6

The Six is still around and I would estimate that approximately three-quarters of the places along there have now re-opened. I tend to visit The Six in the afternoons, so I've not seen it at its wildest as of late. When I did the stroll down from Second Road, there were very few customers but girls everywhere at about 3 pm. I got a lot of attention just for slowly walking along. Expats I have chatted with tend to either love or hate Soi 6. I'm somewhere in the middle. I like the idea, just not what it has evolved into. Nowadays, the vibe seems to be less about using the facilities and more about drinking, loud music, buying shots for the (male) manager (why would I ever do that? And having themed "parties" based on the flimsiest of premises ("Bee's birthday" Maybe I'm too old but it seems like they took a good thing and turned it into a noisy free-for-all while forgetting they are in open-air bars with no door (hence no real secluded area for hands-on fun). The Six, at least to me, has always been about finding a girl who takes your fancy, buying her a drink and doing the squeeze test, and either going upstairs or moving on. The Adelita's of the East, if you will. Alas, no more. So, I tend to stick to the quieter, closed-front bars that operate more in that model. More relaxed ambiance, less pressure, and air conditioning to boot.

One place worth mentioning that is NOT a traditional Soi 6 bar is the Queen Victoria Pub. It's on the left as you're walking towards Beach Road. A nice air-conditioned place to grab a quiet pint in between rounds while you "re-charge" or to fuel up on a breakfast / pub lunch before you get started. I've used it as an oasis from the craziness / pressure to buy girl drinks on Soi 6 on numerous occasions.

Walking Street and Windmill

I didn't spend much here on my trips this year. I've always preferred other areas in Pattaya for mongering, as Walking Street (pre-Covid) very much had a "fish bowl" vibe, with guided tours of Chinese traipsing around and gawking tourists everywhere. I couldn't help but get the feeling, as a middle-aged white guy, that I was part of the tour: "look, there goes another farang monger. ". In any event, with all the fun on Buakhow and surrounding areas I see less and less reason to patronize this area. I visited recently because I went to the Windmill one evening and then walked from Soi Diamond back along Walking Street before heading back to my hotel. It was busier than I expected but nowhere near previous levels. Since most of the people visiting before were observers, not mongers, I've no idea what that means for the mongering scene there. Judging from my experience at the Windmill, it has declined. The Windmill used to have a decent lineup, with two floors of fun going. The upstairs portion was closed off when I visited and, although the downstairs portion still has the "fun" areas at the back (furthest away from the entrance) the lineup of the more "willing" girls at the back was disappointing and not up to its usual standards. I still had a good time, of course, and the old wild vibe is still there with guys having on-stage fun, girls doing shower shows etc. But quality has slipped, and I hope they manage to bring it back.

Final thoughts

A very long post, and for those of you outside Thailand I hope I've managed to shed some light on the situation here. Overall, it's not back to (pre-Covid) normal and my sense is it never will be. There are a lot of places that are still closed and will likely not open again and it will be a long time before Thailand sees 2019 numbers of tourists. We may have to let the previous idealized view of Pattaya / Thailand go. That being said, there are still countless options--more than one guy can ever review in one post--and I think most guys can find something they are interested in here.

So, if you're a returnee considering a trip, my advice is to go for it. If you plan your trip around the Buakhow area you'll still have a lot of fun and be right in the thick of things. If you're a first-timer, I still say it's worth it but read the forums and watch a few YouTube videos just to make sure it will meet your expectations. If you want to play it safe, delay your trip a few months and visit over the new year holiday (or even in the new year). By then, we'll be in high season and have a better understanding of what that means, for Pattaya and for Thailand.

I'll try to keep posting for Pattaya and Bangkok with shorter reviews of other areas in Bangkok / trips to Pattaya (I'm hanging out more in Jomtien these days). In the interim, happy mongering![/QUOTE]This is an excellent and very informative post! Many thanks 👍.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2731700]Good day Rick!

I tried to send you a PM, but the mailbox is full it seems. Would you mind sharing the name of the VIP taxi service you use. I know there are many, but using one that is recommended is perfect. The fact they have someone meet you at the gate is awesome!

Best,

Sky.[/QUOTE]I can only think of First class Bangkok service (Google search gets you the result) that I had used prior to Covid that offers this along with the VIP Fast track service. Looks like the airport itself is back to offering the fast track service. If you don't care about the cost -this definitely saves you quite some time.

[QUOTE=BlueNose;2731711]"Life is a balance between holding on and letting go".

--Rumi.

A lot of ink has been spilled on the post-Covid situation in Thailand, and I think a lot of guys have questions about the situation here. There's no doubt that mongering in Thailand has changed, and my guess is that some of the changes are likely structural in nature, and therefore permanent. That being said, there's still lots of fun to be had here for a certain segment of the monger population.

(By way on (re-) introduction, I'm a long-term expat based in Bangkok. I'm from southern California and cut my teeth mongering in Tijuana, Mexico. I used to post a lot on the Tijuana forums back in the day but stopped posting on this forum when I re-located to Thailand for work about 10 years back. The TL forums back then were not so friendly so I gradually stopped posting / visiting. About a month ago, I was stuck at home in Bangkok due to a Covid isolation requirement, and, being bored shitless, decided to re-visit the TL forums. I'm glad I did and I hope I can offer you some insights).

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I'll try to keep posting for Pattaya and Bangkok with shorter reviews of other areas in Bangkok / trips to Pattaya (I'm hanging out more in Jomtien these days). In the interim, happy mongering![/QUOTE]Though I only hobby in Phuket, I wanted to take time to thank you for providing a valuable report. It is refreshing to see a member spend their personal time helping others.

Thanks for the post. As a returnee, noted the details. Definitely helpful.

-JizzyB.

[QUOTE=BlueNose;2731711]"Life is a balance between holding on and letting go".

--Rumi.

A lot of ink has been spilled on the post-Covid situation in Thailand, and I think a lot of guys have questions about the situation here. There's no doubt that mongering in Thailand has changed, and my guess is that some of the changes are likely structural in nature, and therefore permanent. That being said, there's still lots of fun to be had here for a certain segment of the monger population.

(By way on (re-) introduction, I'm a long-term expat based in Bangkok. I'm from southern California and cut my teeth mongering in Tijuana, Mexico. I used to post a lot on the Tijuana forums back in the day but stopped posting on this forum when I re-located to Thailand for work about 10 years back. The TL forums back then were not so friendly so I gradually stopped posting / visiting. About a month ago, I was stuck at home in Bangkok due to a Covid isolation requirement, and, being bored shitless, decided to re-visit the TL forums. I'm glad I did and I hope I can offer you some insights).[/QUOTE]

Must be an awesome view. Drooling.

Please name the GC.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2731697]Why are Gentlemens Clubs so popular now?

Last night, I was buying drinks for 3 or 4 ladies, when I noticed that I was the last customer in the bar. (It was 1 am). Immediately, the ladies got naked, not just the 3 or 4, but the cashiers and other ladies, as well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2731573]Better yet, I use the personal SUPER VIP service that picks me up after plane lands and docks. They come lift me up from my seat and carry me on their shoulders, down the plane's steps, and straight to a private air conditioned station wagon with mattress. If I am hungry, they hand feed me and wipe my mouth with a napkin if needed. I don't need to lift a finger to do anything. How I envy sloths.[/QUOTE]Hey, we don't all have the moral fortitude and intellectual integrity required for standing in line at a crowded airport with a stinky sweat covered backpack over our shoulder. Glad you're there to keep the flame alive!

[QUOTE=BlueNose;2731711]"Life is a balance between holding on and letting go".

--Rumi.

A lot of ink has been spilled on the post-Coattaya (I'm hanging out more in Jomtien these days). In the interim, happy mongering![/QUOTE]Great report! I'm arriving in early September; staying at Areca Lodge first time. We used to stay at LK Empress on Beach Road, but as well noted, not much action on Beach or Second Road these days. We've concentrated on the LK Metro area for several years now. Billabong in the past had some great older freelancers and Sugar-Sugar had the hottest girls, IMHO.

We may go to WS once in the whole stay. Soi Pothole looks like my kind of Soi; small, seedy bars. Tree Town looks a little too bright and glitzy, but we'll give it a walk, I'm sure. Soi 6 is always an adventure, but can be pricy. Buy one girl a drink and before you know it, you've bought all the girls drinks.

One area that was not covered is "Soi Boomerang". What is the vibe there? Looks to be mostly "Club" type venues with only a few outdoor bars.

Been looking at hotels in Pattaya and seem all the 5 stars I'm looking at are in one area -royal cliffs, intercont, monttra, avani etc and seem to be ridiculously cheap!!

Hows that area to stay in? Access into town and all the action areas?

Or is there a better area to stay "closer" to action?

Thanks great people of the forum.

[QUOTE=NemanLion;2732017]Been looking at hotels in Pattaya and seem all the 5 stars I'm looking at are in one area -royal cliffs, intercont, monttra, avani etc and seem to be ridiculously cheap!!

Hows that area to stay in? Access into town and all the action areas?

Or is there a better area to stay "closer" to action?

Thanks great people of the forum.[/QUOTE]It depends on what you are looking for. I love to stay in Pratamnak / Cozy beach area because is super quiet, and just 5 min motorbike to the town. Rent a motorbike or use Bolt app if you want to stay there.

Anyway Avani is in Central Pattaya not on the hill [URL]https://www.avanihotels.com/en/pattaya/contact[/URL].

[QUOTE=NemanLion;2732017]Been looking at hotels in Pattaya and seem all the 5 stars I'm looking at are in one area -royal cliffs, intercont, monttra, avani etc and seem to be ridiculously cheap!!

Hows that area to stay in? Access into town and all the action areas?

Or is there a better area to stay "closer" to action?

Thanks great people of the forum.[/QUOTE]If only there were a topic here about hotels in Pattaya. Then you could read it.

[QUOTE=JizzyB;2731883]Must be an awesome view. Drooling.

Please name the GC.[/QUOTE]I was in Maggie Mays on Soi Chaiyapoon.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2731761]Seems we need more details.[/QUOTE]There is a policy at Maggie Mays that if you buy a lady 4 tequilas, she has to get naked. I had forgotten about it, until the ladies with me got naked. And then the other ladies followed suit.

After a week here so far, I'll try to describe the pros and cons from previous visits.

Pros.

Bolt app for ride-sharing.

Cons.

Higher prices.

Seriously though, the price structure is complicated to say the least. An example was when I was at a bar on Soi 6 (Love Missile?) I got 3 very different prices for a barfine from the lady, mommy and the manager. It seems like it depends on the time of day if you want long time. So bottom line at this bar is the long time barfine is 2,000 Bhat before either 5 or 8 or 6 and some random price after 3 or 11. Short time? Understand?

I haven't been to a soapy yet, but if that isn't up to par, I'll be finished with Thailand.

I haven't been on Walking Street yet due to my current sleep pattern, but I'm not getting my hopes up due to all the talk about how most ladies won't barfine at all.

I'm here on a pretty decent budget, so the higher prices is not my main gripe, it's the guessing game on which ladies will go and at what price.

I know this report is a bit on the negative side, but maybe I haven't found my groove yet.

My legit massage plans are working out, 4 hours a day average so far.

[QUOTE=Mongering1;2732114]I haven't been on Walking Street yet due to my current sleep pattern, but I'm not getting my hopes up due to all the talk about how most ladies won't barfine at all. I'm here on a pretty decent budget, so the higher prices is not my main gripe, it's the guessing game on which ladies will go and at what price. I know this report is a bit on the negative side, but maybe I haven't found my groove yet.[/QUOTE]So why not get a freelancer instead of investing your hope and money into a middle man, aka barfine?

That is on my list as well. I had fantastic results in Cambodia, but I never tried here yet. I'm not even going with the apps. I've seen plenty of freelancers around Tree Town and of course the beach. A couple of guys I've been talking to said that Ibar / Insomnia looked really good.
Google Translate has been a great help this trip!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2732131]So why not get a freelancer instead of investing your hope and money into a middle man, aka barfine?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2730612]The intra-BKK part usually takes a lot of time due to BKK traffic. A workaround is to get off at first BTS stop and take the BTS from there. Saves a lot of time.[/QUOTE]You can only do that if you only have carry-on luggage, and nothing in the luggage compartment at the bottom of the bus.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2730415]
I definitely will not take a bus from Pattaya to Bangkok City or the reverse anymore. I did that once and it took 5 hours.[/QUOTE]5 hours is very unusual. That has happened to me only once since 2005, when I first came to Pattaya.
It usually takes around 2 to 2.5 hours, maybe more on Fridays and Sundays.
Personally I don't mind taking the bus, even though it's a boring ride between BKK and Pattaya. I don't own a car, so I'm used to taking public transport (in my home country). And beside that I feel saver in a big bus than in a small taxi in the crazy Thai traffic. And the bus drivers are usually less aggressive drivers than the average taxi driver.
I only take a taxi to the airport when my plane is leaving late at night, or very early in the morning, and there's no bus or train service anymore.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2732206]5 hours is very unusual. That has happened to me only once since 2005, when I first came to Pattaya.
It usually takes around 2 to 2.5 hours, maybe more on Fridays and Sundays.
Personally I don't mind taking the bus, even though it's a boring ride between BKK and Pattaya. I don't own a car, so I'm used to taking public transport (in my home country). And beside that I feel saver in a big bus than in a small taxi in the crazy Thai traffic. And the bus drivers are usually less aggressive drivers than the average taxi driver.
I only take a taxi to the airport when my plane is leaving late at night, or very early in the morning, and there's no bus or train service anymore.[/QUOTE]I took the bus from Ekkamai to Pattaya this past Sunday and it was excellent. Absolutely no traffic in Sukhumvit getting out of Bangkok, the whole ride was less than two hours.

Overall, I don't get the bickering about taking the bus, it costs only $4! The money you save by taking the bus over a taxi equates to an ST session, that's how I look at it.

[QUOTE=Mongering1;2732114]After a week here so far, I'll try to describe the pros and cons from previous visits.

Pros.

Bolt app for ride-sharing.

Cons.

Higher prices.

Seriously though, the price structure is complicated to say the least. An example was when I was at a bar on Soi 6 (Love Missile?) I got 3 very different prices for a barfine from the lady, mommy and the manager. It seems like it depends on the time of day if you want long time. So bottom line at this bar is the long time barfine is 2,000 Bhat before either 5 or 8 or 6 and some random price after 3 or 11. Short time? Understand?.[/QUOTE]I'm currently here and having a good time, but indeed prices are higher for everything, but if you're a true cheap charlie you'll find deals whether it's on hotels, girls or food.

One extremely annoying thing I've noticed, any massage I get (foot, oil, Thai etc.), the masseuse spends the whole massage complaining about money and how difficult times are. It's really annoying to deal with, like I'm trying to enjoy a massage but I'm getting bombarded with negative vibes. It's a good reminder when in Pattaya, the only thing anyone wants from you in Pattaya is your money and extracting as much of it from you as possible. In response to that, always have a sa bai sa bai attitude and enjoy your vacation / mongering.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2732204]You can only do that if you only have carry-on luggage, and nothing in the luggage compartment at the bottom of the bus.[/QUOTE]True but I usually don't carry around a suitcase if it can be avoided LOL. Better get a point-to-point taxi then, it's cheap, just 1 k to Suvarnabhumi 1200 to Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2732081]If only there were a topic here about hotels in Pattaya. Then you could read it.[/QUOTE]Sometime it is not difficult, if one is not too full of himself and reads the forum in general.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1875-Pattaya-Hotels[/URL]

Wish to know can Indian rupee exchanged into Thai Baht in Pattaya?

Pre covid it was possible.

Can Indian rupee exchanged in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2732228]True but I usually don't carry around a suitcase if it can be avoided LOL. Better get a point-to-point taxi then, it's cheap, just 1 k to Suvarnabhumi 1200 to Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Yea really. If you don't have 1000 Baht for a taxi ride you should stay home.

[QUOTE=BigSabbal;2732283]Wish to know can Indian rupee exchanged into Thai Baht in Pattaya?

Pre covid it was possible.[/QUOTE]Yes, of course.

Indians are pretty much running the Pattaya economy for now. There are TT exchanges in every 500 meters where you can get INR exchanged. There are many other outlets too. Ask any Indian hotel, he may tell you the best exchange place.

Am I the only one who feels uneasy about being in a bus on the elevated highway around Bangkok? The parapet walls on either side would be high enough to prevent a swerving car from toppling over. A bus would most likely fall down the 20-meter drop and kill everyone. A bus on those highways is as dangerous as a bus in the Chilean Andes.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2732396]Yea really. If you don't have 1000 Baht for a taxi ride you should stay home.[/QUOTE]So true. I often have to remind my buddies when they first come to Thailand how cheap the taxis are especially when they insist on taking the 10 baht bus. It's better to ride in the 100-150-200 baht SUV Toyota taxis in Pattaya with air conditioning. Quit being cheap and using the 10 baht bus. I'd like to add if you don't have 100 baht to tip mamasan, or 450 baht for a ladies tequila and Coke combo, or 20 baht to tip the money exchange booth, or 50 baht to tip the cigarette magician on WS, or 180 baht for pad Thai at the mall but choose the cheap 50 baht one on the street cart, or any extra baht when you hear the words "tip for me," you should just stay home. Forget Thailand. How dare these weekend millionaires and expats come here and go cheap by renting motorbikes, using public transportation, and eating street food.

[QUOTE=BigSabbal;2732290]Can Indian rupee exchanged in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]No need to double post within 15 min.

As this island seems so close. And since this trip won't afford me any other island visit. I'm thinking of giving it a side trip.

Question is, any action on the island or better to take a lady?

[QUOTE=XXL;2732413]Am I the only one who feels uneasy about being in a bus on the elevated highway around Bangkok? The parapet walls on either side would be high enough to prevent a swerving car from toppling over. A bus would most likely fall down the 20-meter drop and kill everyone. A bus on those highways is as dangerous as a bus in the Chilean Andes.[/QUOTE]Crosses my mind everytime I'm on the bus.

Overall, Thai roads are unsafe, recently ranked the second deadliest in the world. Now whether it's safer to be on a big bus or a taxi, I don't know.

I'm in Pattaya and wanting to checkout Koh Chang. It's about a four hour taxi ride from here. Given the risky nature of Thai roads I thought better of it and will fly instead at some point.

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;2732459]As this island seems so close. And since this trip won't afford me any other island visit. I'm thinking of giving it a side trip.

Question is, any action on the island or better to take a lady?[/QUOTE]Always take a lady to Koh Larn.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2732396]Yea really. If you don't have 1000 Baht for a taxi ride you should stay home.[/QUOTE]I think most will agree for 500 to 600 bhat. If there is any app to find double share person. No such apps?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2732222]One extremely annoying thing I've noticed, any massage I get (foot, oil, Thai etc.), the masseuse spends the whole massage complaining about money and how difficult times are.[/QUOTE]I usually have my tablet and headphones with me. But use some game. Tell them you understand and that the reason you are in Thailand is because you could no longer afford to be in your own country because things are so expensive after covid. I am quick to holler out pang makE even if it is the cheapest little thing.

Yes this is a real bus en route to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2732396]Yea really. If you don't have 1000 Baht for a taxi ride you should stay home.[/QUOTE]So not true.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2732421]So true. I often have to remind my buddies when they first come to Thailand how cheap the taxis are especially when they insist on taking the 10 baht bus. It's better to ride in the 100-150-200 baht SUV Toyota taxis in Pattaya with air conditioning. Quit being cheap and using the 10 baht bus. I'd like to add if you don't have 100 baht to tip mamasan, or 450 baht for a ladies tequila and Coke combo, or 20 baht to tip the money exchange booth, or 50 baht to tip the cigarette magician on WS, or 180 baht for pad Thai at the mall but choose the cheap 50 baht one on the street cart, or any extra baht when you hear the words "tip for me," you should just stay home. Forget Thailand. How dare these weekend millionaires and expats come here and go cheap by renting motorbikes, using public transportation, and eating street food.[/QUOTE]So not true. I think for most of us it's just a matter of choice, not a matter of budget. Let everyone decide for themselves what they spend their money on. Hell, even if a monger wants to sleep on the beach to save some bucks, who are we to judge him?

[QUOTE=MissMaryHinge;2732459]As this island seems so close. And since this trip won't afford me any other island visit. I'm thinking of giving it a side trip.

Question is, any action on the island or better to take a lady?[/QUOTE]Rather go elsewhere, the island is filthy and overcrowded. Once was enough for me. Take your lady further down the coastline, there is an island, name escapes me, leave at sparrow fart you will need the entire day for any activity time on the island.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2732222]One extremely annoying thing I've noticed, any massage I get (foot, oil, Thai etc.), the masseuse spends the whole massage complaining about money and how difficult times are. It's really annoying to deal with, like I'm trying to enjoy a massage but I'm getting bombarded with negative vibes.[/QUOTE]Put some music in your phone, take it with you and put the head set on when you start the massage and she'll not talk with you (if you're doing the foot massage).

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2732460]'m in Pattaya and wanting to checkout Koh Chang. It's about a four hour taxi ride from here. Given the risky nature of Thai roads I thought better of it and will fly instead at some point.[/QUOTE]I'm here too and I also have wanted to see Koh Chang. I've been told Koh Chang is pretty much closed down this time of year due to rain. Instead I'll be revisiting Phuket. But a 4 hour bus ride seems scary to me as well.

I've been driving in Thailand for nearly twenty years, particularly from Pattaya to the north. I've hired van drivers at times to take me north and to the airport. During covid during the lockdown on travel, I've even smuggled myself and hitched a ride with a moving trucker who was a neighbor to get back to my family so I could pick up my vehicle and family.

I've used taxis to and from Pattaya to the airport and back, I've used the government large bus, minibus, and their van service that is mainly used by locals to and from Pattaya down Sukhumvit through Bang Na, to Bangkok whenever the Bus schedule wasn't accommodating to my schedule last time 2021 summer when bus service was still closed and I needed to get to Bangkok for my Pfizer vaccine shots. You name it I most likely have used it. Of course, I've used the motorbike taxis often in Pattaya and in Bangkok.

Although I have a number of vehicles here in Pattaya, I mainly use my motorbike there was a time I logged in 70 plus KM, a day around town. In all those years I guess I've seen at least 50 accidents, and half a dozen dead, the majority of them were on motorbikes. There have been a couple of times sitting with the family at an intersection to clear a number of times I would suddenly blur out look here comes an accident been told I could spot it before it even happens.

Years ago I took the Bus from Pattaya Nua / Ekammai twice a week, then after my BB game, I would shower, jump on a motorbike taxi in Bangkok Soi 15, and rush me back to Ekammai before the last bus back to Pattaya. When Bell bus started operation it was only 150 baht, prior to Covid it was at 250 baht, which all the years of operation going from Pattaya to the Airport never rod, travel that got into an accident nor was the driver reckless. All their buses have sensor if they travel faster than 90 KM / H. This is consistent with the government bus that runs out of Pattaya on Soi Nua to Ekammai both services have an attendant that rides shotgun with the driver. On the government bus going and coming it can make a number of stops to drop off locals prior to entering Bangkok and Pattaya, if so you tell the attendant where you want to get off. During heavy traffic hours in Bangkok I tell these days I want to get off Odom Suk, then walk up to the BTS to get to my final destination. During heavy hours this can save you 30 minutes if not more just from that location to Nana. This is the same if you are on a bus coming back to Pattaya and need to make stops in Chon Buri, Sriracha.

In all the years of using the government bus it has never taken 5 hours for me max has been 3. 5 once or twice returning to Pattaya, then highway construction and also road construction on Sukhumvit in Chon Buri. The worse was a few years ago maybe why the 5 hours they were starting to build and construct all the toll booths in Chon Buri at the same time they wanted once again to widen Hwy 7. The government bus people are pretty good I noticed they found a new path to Bangkok the last time it was pretty standard of 2 hours 15 minutes to Udom Suk. Coming back is really a crab shoot you know when the attendants walking up and down the aisle basically asking if anyone needs to stop at? If you don't see anyone getting her attention cross your finger it might be direct.

In all those years and I do read up on all the accidents daily, in 20 years I could only remember one accident by the government bus it ran into a toll booth in Bang Na, many of the Vans running to and from Pattaya to Bangkok usually also have a shotgun rider usually a family member like the wife. This Van service is also owned and run by the same government bus people. Only once did I get on one of their buses and noticed that the shocks were gone otherwise they seem to be maintained.

As noted, it is an individual choice I've done both for myself if you have luggage and arrive at a late hour forget it just budget it into your trip. As for hiring Van drivers to take you to far locations I suggest trying to find someone who recommends that service and can confirm the driver habits this is where in general at times you read about these so call accidents people are talking about when these drivers push their limits you got to watch them and make sure they are well rested and have lots of M-150 in their system. They will stop as often as you like you are paying for it.

I love taking the bus into Bangkok and back whenever I need to make a visit business at Embassy or elsewhere. I've met a lot of locals and visitors using the service and enjoy it many of you are afraid of using the service, particularly the bus just isn't there with Bell or Government. The problem is the tourist buses the double deckers!

Taxis, downstairs at the Airport, you should easily be able to catch and pay one 1500 baht, they might start talking about charging extra per bag and toll, the toll is only 105 baht. If you want to save some money and just have a backpack you might stand at the machine for the taxi and hit up another traveler looking and split the fare the large vehicle used are the Toyota Fortuner basically a SUV, 2000 baht, you need a Van 2500. Don't be afraid to counter but don't counter with something stupid.

When you hired someone just tell them nicely slow and safely I've never had a stupid reply or I need to tell the guy to stop! Good luck people!

I had the opportunity to return to Thailand in Mid-May until Mid-June of 2022 after all the Testing restrictions were cancelled, just prior to the operating hour changes (which meant very little) were abandoned. Over the years I have been to Thailand 8 times (1974-2019) so I have familiarity with the country and my last few trips have been predominantly to Pattaya / Jomtien. I am American, just retired business type which allowed me to have an extended stay.

I have read the Forum daily for years- finding it quite informative and a good guide from especially those on the ground living in Pattaya. Based on information gleaned from the Forum I have traveled as a Tourist who enjoys ladies, not a monger.

Therefore, this Report may be helpful to Newbies, and it is also an update for future and experienced travelers.

How is it: I found Pattaya / Jomtien had recovered about 75% from Covid- physically. There are a lot of stores, restaurants, attractions, hotels, which have not opened- some in good repair, most not. The people had a very hard time with the pandemic, many are still hungry, most have lost all their savings if they had any, but there is optimism or a way to ignore their plight as they enter the rainy season and hope for the best "high season" in history next year.

Some acquaintances ask why I return Thailand via that awful long airplane trip. Well a few thoughts and reasons: in Thailand- no one cares what I look like (prior descriptions of visitors are accurate), the weather, the food is good and cheap, no car is needed as taxi, bus and Baht Bus (10 Baht) can easily move you from one point to another easily, accommodations are varied and inexpensive, there is quite a bit to do, but I do recommend establishing a routine for your day. Get into a routine- can't drink all the time- walk, swim, eat, keep up with paperwork, computer, world events, foot massage, afternoon session, tourist attractions, breakfast, walks.

People watching is a major thing to do, and language is easy to get by with English.

Costs are very reasonable for local products and services. Imported products are expensive- but not really needed.

Money- is easy to calculate, easy to convert anywhere- change money at airport- lowest level, exit 10- use elevators- signs for Train but the overall difference from one Change Place to another is not that great. ATM machines are all over the place and easy to use.

I also like the Thai people, but they don't smile as much as they should or as they are purported to be. As elsewhere, some are good looking- many are plain, and hard-working individuals. Has the quality of ladies gone down hill over the years- I doubt it, but not all the ladies are great looking it is a matter of prospective of who you are, what can you get where you live, how much will you pay to be with that individual- home or in Thailand.

I have personally found that there are ladies of all ages, sizes, shapes, and colors available. I found that the younger ladies have more silicone, more tattoos, more colored hair, and less sense than more mature ladies.

Ladies can be found everywhere in summary; I found the following:

Soi 6- the famous street of about 15 Brothels with lots of young low class, tattooed girls begging for customers from the front of the bars closest to the street (walking) - this is not my style at all, so I just look.

LK Meto- an upcoming group of bars, clubs, Go Go's, gentlemen's clubs, mostly European customers, easy to be a customer, good vibe, some freelancers, service workers are all available for rent, worth a visit.

Tree Town- near by new grouping of upscale beer bars, seemed to be more service workers than European customers but that may have been the time of night- may be more freelancers than elsewhere, worth a visit.

Past.

Walking Street-about 50%+ of pre-covid experience, mostly Indian men with a representation of Europeans. Gogo's I went to only had Europeans, I spoke with the manager of one club who indicated that the Indian crowd does not spend well or at all, therefore they are not welcome, but there are some Indian establishments which are jam packed. Lots of road and building construction which needs to be cleaned up eventually. I spoke with a Club Manager who related his thinking that Walking Street will not be "back" as it was before, before next October / November. The Manager related that the cost of $200 US round trip India- Bangkok is motivating this surge in Indian tourism- ra ra.

Windmill Gogo- everything ever written is true about this Gogo, lots of girls, doing lots of things including naked shower, pussy dive, mostly all in good taste or taste good- the quality of the girls was high, however not as high as expected- Windmill did even have several "heavyweight girls" and some I would not be interested in, each to their own. Note draught beer- 80 Baht before 10:00 pm- not bad for the show which can be had just by going in the door, lady drinks about 150 Baht I think, maybe a little higher but not outlandish and they open the door for a lot of attention.

Dollhouse- quiet, about 20 girls- many 5-6 quality, very slow few customers.

Many other Walking Street Establishments- many not open, others less business, some for smoking, some Ladyboy, some middle eastern, some restaurants, don't know if 7/11 is open- probably.

Bamboo Bar near Walking street- NOT OPEN I heard they made somebody mad, but I think they will open in the future- the premiere location for finding a mature lady for the night- classic fixture of the.

Jomtien- Rhompo Complex- group of about 10 "beer bars" next to a car park which turns into a street food complex at night (very good). These bars seem to have some loyal customers (Aussie, European) low key, music, some singing, pool, more mature service staff and girls- good, relaxed atmosphere- bar fine was 300 Bt. Last I checked. Some Ladyboys mixed into the service staff not necessarily announced, so be aware.

Jomtien- Soi 3-9 Bars: multiple bars along these roads between Beach Road and Second Road, mixed within other businesses. Most have the same format of a few girls in the front near the road encouraging customers to come in- to be entertained by the girls in conversation, to my knowledge all are available for bar fine, I expect at 300 with 1000-1200 Baht for the lady, most of the ladies are on the mature side of the spectrum. Beer cost of 65-70, Scotch about the same. A few ladyboys but not many.

Jomtien- Thapphraya Rd (Second Road to Beach Road) this is the main road between Pattaya and the Beach in Jomtien. With about 10 bars and restaurants sometimes called restaurant row- several good bars with street view, service ladies to keep the drinks flowing- Country Road, Country Club, Escobar, Pool Bar, Sand Bar, to name a few which will have a variety of European customers, ladies, all with pretty good music, live on occasion, lots of street food available. There is even a new Gogo near the beach with a 'higher' end bar, worth a look. There are also approximately 10 restaurants mixed in along this route, various cuisine and price points, along with retail, and service shops.

Jomtien Complex- entry from this location, is an area nicely done of multiple massage (boy) parlors, small bars, small, good restaurants, several hotels, a showroom, and multiple larger bars- all marketing to the Gay crowd- all very well done and in good taste- worth the walk thru.

Gentlemen's Clubs- there are probably at least a dozen of these which are primarily open 2-9 have ladies and service workers, pool, some food, some have rooms all that I heard or saw had 300 Bhat room fee, 1000 girl fee all for on site entertainment. Numerous in LK Metro area, 3-4 in Jomtien, several in Pratamnak, others elsewhere with similar pricing I believe. These may not be for everyone but worth a look, for some low-key entertainment- but some of these do get going with a lot of down and dirty as I understand.

Thai Friendly- there are multiple ladies listed on Thai Friendly for which I would guess that 80% are Pay for Play and the remainder will not be offended if asked.

I am a premium member and find it worth the investment and valued for the entertainment value. I have monitored TF for a few months prior to the trip and kept in touch with selected few prior to arrival. I listed the data I obtained and the candidates from TF and used it upon arrival.

There are no secrets of success which I can guarantee, but some things I do: only look at those with pictures, only pictures of smiling ladies, more attention to those who "like or are interested in me", use the filter for age if desired- it cuts it down significantly. If you send a message and don't get an answer- wastebasket, presume that they are Pay for Play, if they are not, they will let you know quickly- don't be embarrassed of apologetic.

Language can be a challenge, but most do have basic English skills, enough. Most of these ladies don't keep a good calendar so follow-ups to appointments are recommended, and don't plan more than a day ahead I don't think the Thai mind plans too far ahead.

Many ladies are associated with Massage Shops somehow, so in many cases I would ask if they give massage at my condo- if yes, to me it says FS, therefore I would follow-up asking for "massage and short time" which usually got a good response and seemed to relieve the lady of complications with her employer.

Try to move any conversation to Line ID- men, you must have Line ID also, it is free. The Girls like it because it is free, there is no time limit on messages, and it is fast. You and the lady can send pictures back and forth, have call capability, and you can send a map of your location so the girl will know where to meet you.

As I stayed in a Condo, there was no "front desk or security" check-in, once I have an appointment with the lady I would send a map and address of my condo (floor and number) and they would come directly to my room door upon arrival. I used Thai Friendly for my sessions on the whole and 32 of the 33 ladies came directly to my door- easy.

I found that the age indicated on the TF profile was generally out of date by 2 years (less) and most ladies reduced their age several years as well. The average age of the ladies I engaged was 37 years old, the only issues I had in response or showing up was for ladies below 30- lots of cancels, no call backs, etc. I found the difference between a young hardbody and a more mature 30 something was negligible physically and much more positive for the session.

I repeated with about 1/3 of my TF Ladies, which certainly provided a more GFE session on the 2nd and 3rd session and the knowledge that I was staying for a month may have provided some motivation to the Lady. I don't recommend going more than 3 sessions in repeat- some get too possessive.

I would also session many times in late afternoon and afterwards numerous ladies and I would go drinking, dinner, clubs, and walks to look at the sunset. Like a date after the session, these can be enjoyable and inexpensive in the long run, many which lead to a good night session at the condo.

As I said, I stayed in a Condo in Jomtien (View Taly) which is a 25 ish year-old high-rise building, which I selected due to location etc. I have stayed in a hotel in the area previously and enjoyed it, but the size, kitchen, amenities, and price all made it work for me very well. I do recommend that an office of the Condo Agent be within the Condo for "communications issues". These condos are independently owned and leased by Agents who generally have small offices in the Condo building. The girls really liked the condo (22nd floor) view of the beach all the way to Sattiup.

Jomtien vs. Pattaya- I stayed in Jomtien because of the smaller village feeling that it has. It is quieter, which is a plus and a negative, with possibly fewer tour groups, a better beach, more local restaurants, fewer tattoos, etc. Jomtien is contiguous to Pattaya, so it is very close to Walking Street and not far from LK Metro- all on the Baht Bus route. I also think Jomtien is more European / Aussie than Pattaya and it is more mature in visitors as well.

FYI- Test and Go and Covid Insurance- I had to sign-up for these before the process was cancelled just before my arrival. I went to the reserved Hotel while in Pattaya and negotiated return of some of the unused expenses (all) I was able to obtain the refund less 30% "processing fee" from the Hotel- I could not even get someone to talk to from the Insurance Company- no surprise.

Pricing: I did not think the prices have changed much from 2019 when I last visited. I would say I was conservative but no where near a Cheap Charlie, the following summarizes some expense:

29 Days on the Ground, Exchange rate: 35 Baht to US $, May-June 2022.

Condo 20,000 Baht (penthouse, maid service, utilities) - this was higher than I should have paid (about $25 US / Day actual).

Transportation 5500 Baht- includes Taxi RT to Airport, BKK Trip, local rides- (about $5 US / Day.

Food 22,000 Baht- American Breakfast daily, nice dinner, street food lunch, snacks, some "date diners" included (about $22 US / day).

Beverage 8800 Baht- mostly beer at 65-75/ beer- (about 8. 50/ day).

Misc. 4300 Baht- Laundry, meds, gifts, foot massage (about 5. 00/ day).

Entertainment: 52,500 Baht- 32 sessions, 17 ladies.

1,500 Bhat highest session cost, 1,000 Bhat many sessions.

"Massage and Short Time" mostly 1,200.

Would not pay higher than 1,500.

Some gifts and expenses associated with above within the total making session cost some higher.

I will be back in Jomtien in 2023 for my 73rd Birthday.

I hope the information I have shared will be of use to future travelers and update others on what is happening in Pattaya / Jomtien.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2732894]29 Days on the Ground, Exchange rate: 35 Baht to US $, May-June 2022.

Condo 20,000 Baht (penthouse, maid service, utilities) - this was higher than I should have paid (about $25 US / Day actual).[/QUOTE]Great report. How did you find the condo?

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2732894]I had the opportunity to return to Thailand in Mid-May until Mid-June of 2022 after all the Testing restrictions were cancelled, just prior to the operating hour changes (which meant very little) were abandoned. Over the years I have been to Thailand 8 times (1974-2019) so I have familiarity with the country and my last few trips have been predominantly to Pattaya / Jomtien. I am American, just retired business type which allowed me to have an extended stay.

I have read the Forum daily for years- finding it quite informative and a good guide from especially those on the ground living in Pattaya. Based on information gleaned from the Forum I have traveled as a Tourist who enjoys ladies, not a monger.

Therefore, this Report may be helpful to Newbies, and it is also an update for future and experienced travelers.

[/QUOTE]What a great no nonsense, no BS report. Kudos to you sir!

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2732894]I had the opportunity to return to Thailand in Mid-May until Mid-June of 2022 after all the Testing restrictions were cancelled, just prior to the operating hour changes (which meant very little) were abandoned. Over the years I have been to Thailand 8 times (1974-2019) so I have familiarity with the country and my last few trips have been predominantly to Pattaya / Jomtien. I am American, just retired business type which allowed me to have an extended stay.

I have read the Forum daily for years- finding it quite informative and a good guide from especially those on the ground living in Pattaya. Based on information gleaned from the Forum I have traveled as a Tourist who enjoys ladies, not a monger.

Therefore, this Report may be helpful to Newbies, and it is also an update for future and experienced travelers.

[/QUOTE]Highly informative and detailed report sir. How was your personal experience on Thai friendly girls vs freelancers vs bar girls? Never stayed in Jomtien. Now got the inspiration. Do we get freelancers easily in Jomtien area?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2732752]I've used taxis to and from Pattaya to the airport and back...

Taxis, downstairs at the Airport, you should easily be able to catch and pay one 1500 baht, they might start talking about charging extra per bag and toll, the toll is only 105 baht.[/QUOTE]Taxi's to Pattaya are fast and convenient, I always use [URL]https://www.namstaxiladydrivers.com[/URL] as they are very professional and careful drivers. You book ahead and about 24 hours before, you get an email with the name of your driver and pickup location. Their prices have dropped recently, only 1400 including tolls for the largest vehicle between the airport and Pattaya, I throw in an extra 1000 as the service is so reliable and that was their regular price.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2732083]There is a policy at Maggie Mays that if you buy a lady 4 tequilas, she has to get naked. I had forgotten about it, until the ladies with me got naked. And then the other ladies followed suit.[/QUOTE]Same rule follows at Camel Toe. Same owner same rules, Come and check it out for yourself.

StLouisMo2010 A great update.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2732894]How is it: I found Pattaya / Jomtien had recovered about 75% from Covid-[/QUOTE]That's about right.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2732894]Soi 6- the famous street of about 15 Brothels[/QUOTE]A lot more than that were open in June, last Christmas was dire.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2732894] Walking Street-about 50%+ of pre-covid experience, mostly Indian men with a representation of Europeans.[/QUOTE]Thailand is looking for a better class of tourist but these days they can't get tourists from Red China, so they are making deals with India.

Went over to Koh Larn today. Took a TF girl with me and gave her 500 Baht to spend the whole day with me.

Lovely experience. I don't get the complaints regarding Koh Larn. The water at Tien Beach was breathtaking, crystal clear. Not to many tourists on the island, all the Indians go to Taewan Beach, hordes of them there. Tien and Samae had very little people.

Motorbike rental for only 200 baht. Ferry each way only 30 baht.

Overall, such a cheap and awesome way to spend the day.

I plan to go back in a few days, this time by myself and explore the little island more.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2731931]Great report! I'm arriving in early September; staying at Areca Lodge first time. We used to stay at LK Empress on Beach Road, but as well noted, not much action on Beach or Second Road these days. We've concentrated on the LK Metro area for several years now. Billabong in the past had some great older freelancers and Sugar-Sugar had the hottest girls, IMHO.

We may go to WS once in the whole stay. Soi Pothole looks like my kind of Soi; small, seedy bars. Tree Town looks a little too bright and glitzy, but we'll give it a walk, I'm sure. Soi 6 is always an adventure, but can be pricy. Buy one girl a drink and before you know it, you've bought all the girls drinks.

One area that was not covered is "Soi Boomerang". What is the vibe there? Looks to be mostly "Club" type venues with only a few outdoor bars.[/QUOTE]You're smart to stay at Areca Lodge. It's right near Buakhow but still with easy access to 2nd Road. The LK Empress is a nice enough place, and you can't beat the view, but it's just too far from the action these days and you'll spend all your time walking. LK Empress also has a lot of families / couples, which I try to avoid.

There's actually more to Tree Town than just Tree Town. I recommend walking through the main area to the bar complexes "past Tree Town". Once you get away from the craziness of the main complex on Buakhow, there are many smaller bars / complexes to choose from. Just take a stroll to see what you see. If you find someone you like, stop in for a beer. Bar fines from these bars are very reasonable (I pulled from Lai's Bar in April) and are close enough to Areca Lodge that you'll have nice easy logistics. There is even, I believe, a G-Club in the "behind Tree Town" section although I've not yet visited.

As for Soi Boomerang, it was mainly closed in April but it's open now. You're correct in that it's mainly G-Clubs. I visited on my last trip and lots of girls out front at most places. I stopped in at one G-Club (can't remember the name) at the end of the soi on the left, just before you go around the corner. Nice place, brand new interior, good selection of women but not as hands one as G-Clubs on Soi Pothole and drinks were more. So, if you see someone, pull them inside for one drink and then either head upstairs or move on. I made the mistake of buying too many LDs without taking the girl ST. There's also one beer bar that's open-air on the corner ("Warm Up" bar or something like that) where you can have a beer, chill, and view the talent on the soi. Next time, I'll take that approach until I see someone I like.

Have fun next month, and please report back on your trip!

[QUOTE=Downandup;2733163]Thailand is looking for a better class of tourist but these days they can't get tourists from Red China, so they are making deals with India.[/QUOTE]They have always made deals with India. I have a friend in Bangkok that would go to India to advertise Thai tourism and packages. She would come to Pattaya to check out the hotels that were included in the packages. And that was years ago. I have not talked to her in a few years.

What a great report mate, you brought up some amazing memories from Jomtien area, a location I fell in love with since my first visit way back 2004. Rompho market bars and others on Sois 3-7 will give that laid back feel away from the hustle and bustle of Pattaya. On my off-pussy-days I use to frequent a sports bar named Frasers. Behind the gay area you mentioned there was a massive bar with lots and lots of drinks from all over the world, like a 100's type of whiskeys and the whole lot.

Well done for your report and trip.

"Jomtien- Soi 3-9 Bars: multiple bars along these roads between Beach Road and Second Road, mixed within other businesses. Most have the same format of a few girls in the front near the road encouraging customers to come in- to be entertained by the girls in conversation, to my knowledge all are available for bar fine, I expect at 300 with 1000-1200 Baht for the lady, most of the ladies are on the mature side of the spectrum. Beer cost of 65-70, Scotch about the same. A few ladyboys but not many.

Jomtien- Thapphraya Rd (Second Road to Beach Road) this is the main road between Pattaya and the Beach in Jomtien. With about 10 bars and restaurants sometimes called restaurant row- several good bars with street view, service ladies to keep the drinks flowing- Country Road, Country Club, Escobar, Pool Bar, Sand Bar, to name a few which will have a variety of European customers, ladies, all with pretty good music, live on occasion, lots of street food available."

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2732945]Great report. How did you find the condo?[/QUOTE]I've been viewing "[URL]Condo6.com[/URL]"; a lot of options being advertised. I may book a 3-4 week stay at one of them.

[QUOTE=JasonSilva;2730364]TF has one major problem. There is no predictability when the girl will arrive. It can be anywhere between 1 hour to 3 hours. [/QUOTE]As a french writer said: "If she is late, she will come! "

Thank You StLouisMo2010 !! That was Epic. And yes sir. Like my user-name I like to give the ladies a Gentle Hug and wait for a smile. Thai's for me seem more poker-face than Pinay's. But the genuine smile when I bear hug them is my Go or No Go approach to see how their attitude will be.

Again thanks for the info and That's a lot of Sessions for being in your 70's!

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2732894]Over the years I have been to Thailand 8 times (1974-2019) [/QUOTE]It would be really fascinating to hear about your trip in 1974, how it was and how it's changed since then.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2733163]…

Thailand is looking for a better class of tourist but these days they can't get tourists from Red China, so they are making deals with India.[/QUOTE]Exactly how does Thailand make deals for India?

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2732894]I had the opportunity to return to Thailand in Mid-May until Mid-June of 2022
I will be back in Jomtien in 2023 for my 73rd Birthday.

I hope the information I have shared will be of use to future travelers and update others on what is happening in Pattaya / Jomtien.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I just wanted to congratulate you on (1) a truly exceptional report which will be undoubtedly hugely beneficial to all visiting the area and (2) to say that when I read you will be 73 for your next visit I was genuinely almost clapping in my living room. Absolutely inspirational Sir. Full respect and you are a trailblazer who gives hope to all of us in our 50's (or older) that this hobby need not be curtailed after 70. Loved your entire report. Thank you. Huge respect and admiration.

For all you aspiring Pattaya Bar Owners. A guy finally confirmed something I thought about the industry.

The Boys won't bother you if you don't make money. If you by chance do the opposite you will be Noticed.

A guy on You Tube made a Video. Not really sure it was a Wise decision on his part.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2730415]The bus takes the same time to get from the airport to Pattaya as a taxi does. And if you are arriving in the morning there will not be anything else to do anyway. What I used to do is arrive and go downstairs to see if a bus is getting ready to leave. If it is, then I hop on it. I do not remember the price. Depending on the bus it was like 120-200 baht. If it will be another hour wait, then I just go upstairs and get a taxi for 1000 baht because I could have arrived in a taxi by the time I had waited 1 hour for a bus.

I definitely will not take a bus from Pattaya to Bangkok City or the reverse anymore. I did that once and it took 5 hours.[/QUOTE]Never over 3 hours for me. And that's with mid day traffic.

About 6 times.

That ekkamai Bus could be the Greatest Bargain on Planet Earth.

They really shout add 10 baht. Maintenence Bro.

How do you seasoned gents ascertain what you will receive in-person compared to the pics on TF?

I'm really not that picky, I want an average face with a slim, proportioned body with no real baby damage in the stomach area.

But some of the girls that show up, their bodies are unsightly. The most recent one had mangled nipples (something I had never seen) and the weirdest, flattest teenage boy arse that I wanted no part of.

So what's the best method to pre-verify what you'll receive in-person?

Are any of you gents bold enough to send them packing if they look different in-person? And if you do, do you give them 1-200 baht for their trouble?

I will say, most of the TF girls I've seen were for 1 k baht, perhaps I simply need to move up to 1,500 baht to acheive more quality.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2733422]I just wanted to congratulate you on (1) a truly exceptional report which will be undoubtedly hugely beneficial to all visiting the area and (2) to say that when I read you will be 73 for your next visit I was genuinely almost clapping in my living room. Absolutely inspirational Sir. Full respect and you are a trailblazer who gives hope to all of us in our 50's (or older) that this hobby need not be curtailed after 70. Loved your entire report. Thank you. Huge respect and admiration.[/QUOTE]I've always said:

MLM. Monger lives Matter.

BLM. Bald lives Matter.

What soapies you guys recommend?

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2733052]What a great no nonsense, no BS report. Kudos to you sir![/QUOTE]I have a new hero. Not quite as up in years, it's reassuring that a guy my age (mid 60's) can find fun in Thailand. Will be redoubling my prep and planning for January. Twice as excited about it, many thanks.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2732752]I've been driving in Thailand for nearly twenty years, particularly from Pattaya to the north. I've hired van drivers at times to take me north and to the airport. During covid during the lockdown on travel, I've even smuggled myself and hitched a ride with a moving trucker who was a neighbor to get back to my family so I could pick up my vehicle and family.

I've used taxis to and from Pattaya to the airport and back, I've used the government large bus, minibus, and their van service that is mainly used by locals to and from Pattaya down Sukhumvit through Bang Na, to Bangkok whenever the Bus schedule wasn't accommodating to my schedule last time 2021 summer when bus service was still closed and I needed to get to Bangkok for my Pfizer vaccine shots. You name it I most likely have used it. Of course, I've used the motorbike taxis often in Pattaya and in Bangkok.

Although I have a number of vehicles here in Pattaya, I mainly use my motorbike there was a time I logged in 70 plus KM, a day around town. In all those years I guess I've seen at least 50 accidents, and half a dozen dead, the majority of them were on motorbikes. There have been a couple of times sitting with the family at an intersection to clear a number of times I would suddenly blur out look here comes an accident been told I could spot it before it even happens.

Years ago I took the Bus from Pattaya Nua / Ekammai twice a week, then after my BB game, I would shower, jump on a motorbike taxi in Bangkok Soi 15, and rush me back to Ekammai before the last bus back to Pattaya. When Bell bus started operation it was only 150 baht, prior to Covid it was at 250 baht, which all the years of operation going from Pattaya to the Airport never rod, travel that got into an accident nor was the driver reckless. All their buses have sensor if they travel faster than 90 KM / H. This is consistent with the government bus that runs out of Pattaya on Soi Nua to Ekammai both services have an attendant that rides shotgun with the driver. On the government bus going and coming it can make a number of stops to drop off locals prior to entering Bangkok and Pattaya, if so you tell the attendant where you want to get off. During heavy traffic hours in Bangkok I tell these days I want to get off Odom Suk, then walk up to the BTS to get to my final destination. During heavy hours this can save you 30 minutes if not more just from that location to Nana. This is the same if you are on a bus coming back to Pattaya and need to make stops in Chon Buri, Sriracha.[/QUOTE]Nice review.

This comment of yours is why I don't like Pattaya so much.

". I also like the Thai people, but they don't smile as much as they should or as they are purported to be. ".

If you want to see the Land of Smiles, and how Thai people really interact, get away from the Pattaya and other tourist traps.

I've always found the Thais there to have been worn down and lost their natural Thai-ness and with it their natural smiles.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2733300][URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html[/URL]

Simple said. If you fuck someone with hiv (anal sex) there is a change of 11/10. 000 (that's 0,0011%) to get HIV (highest possible score for straight guys).

Population with HIV in thailand is estimated at 1%.

So simple math. Yes there is a risk. But being hit by a motorbike is more likely to happen.[/QUOTE]Assuming those numbers are real, how does anyone get HIV, do they fuck someone HIV+ 11,000 times?

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2733453]Never over 3 hours for me. And that's with mid day traffic.

About 6 times.

That ekkamai Bus could be the Greatest Bargain on Planet Earth.

They really shout add 10 baht. Maintenence Bro.[/QUOTE]Took the 12:00 airport bus today for my flight to Phnom Phen. 1 hour 40 minutes to the airport. 143 baht (plus 70 for Bolt to the Jomtien station).

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2733576]Took the 12:00 airport bus today for my flight to Phnom Phen. 1 hour 40 minutes to the airport. 143 baht (plus 70 for Bolt to the Jomtien station).[/QUOTE]How's the Agogo Scene. Might go to Pattaya for three days next week.

I'm fine with Mediocre type youngish girls. Not interested in middle age rotund- office workers.

No interest in Trre Town type set up.

[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2733254]What a great report mate,
On my off-pussy-days I use to frequent a sports bar named Frasers.[/QUOTE]Frasers is still open.

The world infamous open air coco bar at Beach road. It used to have no less than 500 SW in the evenings before Covid, sometimes as many as 700 although eye candy quality was terrible.

How are things now? Are the numbers up to 50% at least?

[QUOTE=Plan77;2733649]The world infamous open air coco bar at Beach road. It used to have no less than 500 SW in the evenings before Covid, sometimes as many as 700 although eye candy quality was terrible.

How are things now? Are the numbers up to 50% at least?[/QUOTE]At least the same. Biggest change I noticed is they seem to be more active. But between soi 13/ WS. Enough chicks.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2733593]How's the Agogo Scene. Might go to Pattaya for three days next week.

I'm fine with Mediocre type youngish girls. Not interested in middle age rotund- office workers.

No interest in Trre Town type set up.[/QUOTE]I'm not really into gogos so am not an expert on them. Went to Pin Up, Windmill, and Farenheit 451. All packed with customers and girls but girls pretty much just average, only a few I would want to fuck, but not at gogo prices. Much better deals on Soi 6 and Soi Pothole.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtODmgP4Lm8[/URL]

G Mans club Bongkot.

Girl in Hilights is being advertised as Cheap. I don't believe it. She is EZ 3,000 baht quality.

Either she is Clueless or Farang is bait and switching.

Can someone go and have Boom Boom with Her. See actual pricing.

My fun level has been steadily rising as I explore more options. My second soapy at Honey 3 was much better performance wise and the girl was a very solid 9, no silicone.

I have found no practical use for the open air bars. I find them too hot, uncomfortable and much less hands on than I'd like.

Gogos and Walking Street in general are just too loud and busy for my liking.

So that leaves the gentlemen's clubs as my preferred venue. Google maps works well searching for them as well as the information posted here. The curtains make the fun factor with the right choice of ladies. Last night I went out and within 20 minutes I was walking out of a club completely drained and satisfied, 1,200 including drinks.

I had to take a break from the Thai massages to give my old bones a rest. I did enjoy a nice foot massage on a lovely stretch of beach down in Jomtien yesterday.

I've checked most of my to-do list items. I still haven't tried a freelancer. I guess I haven't found a comfortable enough venue yet?

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2733881][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtODmgP4Lm8[/URL]

G Mans club Bongkot.

Girl in Hilights is being advertised as Cheap. I don't believe it. She is EZ 3,000 baht quality.

Either she is Clueless or Farang is bait and switching.

Can someone go and have Boom Boom with Her. See actual pricing.[/QUOTE]The guy making this video is one of the more reliable guys when it comes to price when many will show you a nice girl of a place but never mention anything about money or prices.

As for the girl certainly, as you noted out of place for a GC, in general, many times they come working at places like this because they are kind of fresh off the farm or just starting working or knowing someone is very important to them. Also in general, if you are thinking this way so are others, especially the older ex-pats they will jump on and off her like white on rice if she does with customers. Many times even in this video, the owner or owners are warned and they put up eye candy. It is also she might be there just for drinks and don't go with customers I'm not a big visitor of GC, I don't like being the only one or two in these clubs even today when things are picking up. Nevertheless, by the way she looks like many places on the Darkside from my experience she will move on to greener pasture soon if not already.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2733881][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtODmgP4Lm8[/URL]

G Mans club Bongkot.

Girl in Hilights is being advertised as Cheap. I don't believe it. She is EZ 3,000 baht quality.

Either she is Clueless or Farang is bait and switching.

Can someone go and have Boom Boom with Her. See actual pricing.[/QUOTE]Yep, if that girl provides no hassle BBFSCIP / Real Sex for 3,000 baht I will have to totally reassess my opinion of Pattaya and head back down there ASAP.

However, I strongly suspect the reality at crunch time would be wildly different from that. The owner waved off and discouraged any discussion, apparently whether video recorded or not, of 'stuff." I'm guessing the "stuff" is exactly the topic of a customer having sex with those girls.

Instead, he wants customers to think of his girls as "family" with whom to "relax" and "have (family-friendly?) fun."

OK. Until proven otherwise, I would bank on zero sex happening with either of those girls, who were likely hired for show and to have drinks only. I won't be dropping everything, cancelling my dates in Bangkok to rush down to Pattaya anytime soon.

[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2733502]What soapies you guys recommend?[/QUOTE]None. Waste of money, little value in going to a soapie.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2733881][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtODmgP4Lm8[/URL]

G Mans club Bongkot.

Girl in Hilights is being advertised as Cheap. I don't believe it. She is EZ 3,000 baht quality.

Either she is Clueless or Farang is bait and switching.

Can someone go and have Boom Boom with Her. See actual pricing.[/QUOTE]I already had my way with her, her name is Mini and it's a well deserved name. I blew her back out good!

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2733488]How do you seasoned gents ascertain what you will receive in-person compared to the pics on TF?
I'm really not that picky, I want an average face with a slim, proportioned body with no real baby damage in the stomach area.
But some of the girls that show up, their bodies are unsightly. The most recent one had mangled nipples (something I had never seen) and the weirdest, flattest teenage boy arse that I wanted no part of.
So what's the best method to pre-verify what you'll receive in-person?
Are any of you gents bold enough to send them packing if they look different in-person? And if you do, do you give them 1-200 baht for their trouble?
I will say, most of the TF girls I've seen were for 1 k baht, perhaps I simply need to move up to 1,500 baht to acheive more quality.[/QUOTE]Talk to her on Line in a video chat? If you get a really bad case. As I have. Then say no and offer them 200 taxi money to leave.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2733892] I'm not a big visitor of GC, I don't like being the only one or two in these clubs even today when things are picking up. Nevertheless, by the way she looks like many places on the Darkside from my experience she will move on to greener pasture soon if not already.[/QUOTE]I've never been in these Gclubs (just read about it on ISG) but I had the same thought than what you just described by looking at that video, it's going to feel weird to be the only guy in there.

If one have to enter the bar behind closed doors to see what the staff is looking like, I don't think I would spend much time doing that (except if they all look like the girl on the left, but I doubt that).

Does their staff stay outside sometimes or do we have to enter the place every time?

By the way these places look more like a bar with closed doors than any thing that I would call a "club".

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2733881][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtODmgP4Lm8[/URL]

G Mans club Bongkot.

Girl in Hilights is being advertised as Cheap. I don't believe it. She is EZ 3,000 baht quality.

Either she is Clueless or Farang is bait and switching.

Can someone go and have Boom Boom with Her. See actual pricing.[/QUOTE]Seconded. I'm not going to be there until December, but I'd want to visit this place and take the girl for ST or LT. Knowing beforehand if they are available would put me at ease.

I had a lady over to my condo last night who works at a Korean club on Third Road. She says that the Korean customers mostly speak Thai, and are big spenders. One customer took 4 ladies to Singapore at 8 K per day per lady (she declined to go).

Her claim was that she didn't fuck customers, only drink. In my condo, she drank tequila shots. After an hour, she declared it was hot, and took off her clothes. Soon, she was dropping pushy juice on my sofa, so we went to the bedroom.

I have known her for some time, and when she is drunk, she wants to be fucked in the ass. Maybe a Thai guy can do it, but I couldn't get it in, even with lube and some finger fucking. Oh, well.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2734251]I had a lady over to my condo last night who works at a Korean club on Third Road. She says that the Korean customers mostly speak Thai, and are big spenders. One customer took 4 ladies to Singapore at 8 K per day per lady (she declined to go).

Her claim was that she didn't fuck customers, only drink. In my condo, she drank tequila shots. After an hour, she declared it was hot, and took off her clothes. Soon, she was dropping pushy juice on my sofa, so we went to the bedroom.

I have known her for some time, and when she is drunk, she wants to be fucked in the ass. Maybe a Thai guy can do it, but I couldn't get it in, even with lube and some finger fucking. Oh, well.[/QUOTE]Korean guy Livestream from somewhere in Pattya. I have to believe spends at least EZ $2,000 a night.

For awhile had 1,000 viewers consistently. Now in low 300's.

Problem is it's the same thing every night. Content creators need to keep it Fresh or wither by away.

State of Affairs.

Doing reconnaissance for my Tues trip to Patts via ekka govt bus.

Two minutes before departure at 11 at m less than ten passengers.

Thai really screwed themselves over opening up so late.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2733488]How do you seasoned gents ascertain what you will receive in-person compared to the pics on TF?
I'm really not that picky, I want an average face with a slim, proportioned body with no real baby damage in the stomach area.
But some of the girls that show up, their bodies are unsightly. The most recent one had mangled nipples (something I had never seen) and the weirdest, flattest teenage boy arse that I wanted no part of.
So what's the best method to pre-verify what you'll receive in-person?
Are any of you gents bold enough to send them packing if they look different in-person? And if you do, do you give them 1-200 baht for their trouble?
I will say, most of the TF girls I've seen were for 1 k baht, perhaps I simply need to move up to 1,500 baht to acheive more quality.[/QUOTE]I usually ask them if they still look the same as in their pictures. If they say yes right away, I take the risk. Most of them also send recent pictures or a freshly made selfie as proof.
But they usually don't send (semi-) naked pictures, so you can still run into baby damage or other disappointments. But that hasn't happened to me very often.

I have never sent a girl away if she looked different in-person. I always give them a chance, because no matter what they look like they can still give you a good time. Or at least a reasonably good time that is not a waste of money.
I only send them away if they don't have the skills or attitude to give me a good time. And sometimes I pay them less than agreed in those cases.

Moving up to 1,500 Baht girls might get you better looking girls, with better bodies, but it's not guaranteed. And a good attitude and GFE are also not guaranteed.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2733488]How do you seasoned gents ascertain what you will receive in-person compared to the pics on TF?[/QUOTE]It does not matter. You have to know Thai chicks to know it is nothing for them to look like a totally different person. A pic on the farm is not going to look like the same person as a pic from the club. A different hairstyle or makeup change and you will swear it is a different person. Their drivers license pic is 100% not going to look the same as the person you think you are meeting or have already met.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2733881][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtODmgP4Lm8[/URL]

G Mans club Bongkot.

Girl in Hilights is being advertised as Cheap. I don't believe it. She is EZ 3,000 baht quality.

Either she is Clueless or Farang is bait and switching.

Can someone go and have Boom Boom with Her. See actual pricing.[/QUOTE]I was there (Club Amsterdam) a month a go and had a drink with her. Very pretty girl, amazing brand new fake boobs, she let me see and touch them while we talked. Brand new to Pattaya off the bus. She wanted 2000 baht for ST+ room but insisted on condom so I declined. This might be cheap compared to a Go Go, but for Bongkot it's certainly not. Honestly I was puzzled why she was working in that GC as it was totally dead and at the time she was the only girl. I suggested to her that she could make a lot more money at a Go Go in LK or Walking street.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2731654]How much. Ballpark wise. Is that service where you get your name on the whiteboard next to the Wheel-Chair airline staff. That escorts you to customs, in a private car, etc. Just curious. Thanks![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.firstclassbangkok.com/fast-track-vip-immigration-service/[/URL]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2733941]None. Waste of money, little value in going to a soapie.[/QUOTE]It's not all about value for money or bang for your buck. Any newbie going to Pattaya should have a soapy on their bucket list. Yes it's pricey but the pleasure of having a nubile young hottie slip and sliding all over your body, massaging you with her tits, before you fuck her afterwards, is an experience every man should savour at least once in their life.

Pre-pandemic I'd recommend Sabai Dee. If there isn't a girl to take your fancy from the fishbowl, Honey 2 is a short walk away. If you still don't see a girl you like, soi 6 nearby should help cheer you up.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2734615]It's not all about value for money or bang for your buck. Any newbie going to Pattaya should have a soapy on their bucket list. Yes it's pricey but the pleasure of having a nubile young hottie slip and sliding all over your body, massaging you with her tits, before you fuck her afterwards, is an experience every man should savour at least once in their life.
...[/QUOTE]And it is not just for newbies. I have been going to Thailand practically every year for the past 20 years or so. I sampled a body massage on every trip, and sometimes more than once on the same trip. Quite an experience!

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2734451]I was there (Club Amsterdam) a month a go and had a drink with her. Very pretty girl, amazing brand new fake boobs, she let me see and touch them while we talked. Brand new to Pattaya off the bus. She wanted 2000 baht for ST+ room but insisted on condom so I declined. This might be cheap compared to a Go Go, but for Bongkot it's certainly not. Honestly I was puzzled why she was working in that GC as it was totally dead and at the time she was the only girl. I suggested to her that she could make a lot more money at a Go Go in LK or Walking street.[/QUOTE]Sad to hear. Her Tits while not Large are just the kind I like.

As long as a superior looking girl has has something and not completely flat chested I and many other guys are Happy.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2734451]I was there (Club Amsterdam) a month a go and had a drink with her. Very pretty girl, amazing brand new fake boobs, she let me see and touch them while we talked. Brand new to Pattaya off the bus. She wanted 2000 baht for ST+ room but insisted on condom so I declined. This might be cheap compared to a Go Go, but for Bongkot it's certainly not. Honestly I was puzzled why she was working in that GC as it was totally dead and at the time she was the only girl. I suggested to her that she could make a lot more money at a Go Go in LK or Walking street.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the intel including, for me, the most critical detail that many trip reports omit.

Now, that's more like the Pattaya I have encountered on every trip I have taken there over several years; if the rare girl is attractive enough for me to want to have sex with her at all even for free she apparently didn't get the memo that condoms have "totally disappeared" in Thailand and that BBFSCIP "just happens" as "the norm" with no hassle or upfront discussion about it, especially in Pattaya. LOL.

Maybe she would grudgingly agree to it after 4-5 sessions. But I don't have the time, patience or willingness to pay 4-5 times the going rate to find out if I will be ever be blessed with the one acceptable session long after I have lost most of my interest in it with a particular P4 P girl anyway. Oh well.

Actually, the fake boobs thing has become as much of a turn off for me lately as big ugly tattoos in all the wrong places, weird piercings, heavy smoker odor or the unpleasant surprise of a massive thicket of pubic hair.

I trust your judgement that hers are amazing. But even great ones are a turn off for me these days. I'll still bet she was more doably attractive without them or would have been to me anyway.

Thanks again. Saved me a trip.

One lady I have been doing regularly reports that she is pregnant, and I am the father (her Thai boyfriend is injured and cannot get it up). She doesn't work bar, and stays home, so the chances of her having another boyfriend are slim.

So, things are going to get unpleasant. Fortunately, I am leaving town for Phuket tomorrow, but I probably have to make some decisions today.

But it's an exceptional report from are / pattaya (Not my report. But soon I'm also going to put some of my reports from my first visit).

Link to the post: [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/Pattaya/comments/wppppv/is_this_your_first_time_visiting_pattaya/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share[/URL].

Is this your first time visiting Pattaya?

This is for newbies and all from my 12 year experiences In the kingdom, l don't live in Pattaya on a pension, I'm not a retired expat that complains about the English breakfast cost too much, I go to Pattaya for 30-60 day stays, my budget is 400-500 dollars a day, I fucking party like a rockstar, I might experience Pattaya differently than you, so don't say stupid shit or critique me I will perma ban you.

Walking Street: it's a very long street leads to adult Disney world, it also has a couple of soi's (soi means side street that connects to the main road) Walking street is the home of Pattaya's night life, it has everything so expect to see gogo's, open air bars, live music bars, by the hour rooms, clubs, disco's, restaurants, freelancers, hotels, toilets, restaurants, go cart tract, boutique stores, 7-11, street performers, even a fucking McDonald's, it's really fucking amazing, you will see things, smell things, witness things, take part in things you won't believe, fuck that movie hang over, they went to tame Bangkok not walking street, walking street has all the things below, did I mention it's amazing, you can "short time" and "Long time" here, some venues have on-site facilities, and also walking street is considered the gem of Pattaya night life so its going to be more expensive for drinks and barfines.

Soi 6: it is a sight to behold, hot ladies everywhere, just take a walk down this street and you'll be hooked, it has everything except restaurants and boutique stores, expect to mainly see open air bars and a few gogo's, this is mainly a "short time " option area, usually if you choose a friend here you will use their on-site facilities, many like this area of Pattaya cause you don't have to necessarily buy lady drinks or play games, you can quite literally see a girl that meets your fancy, tell her " short time " and in a few minutes you'll be upstairs or over in one of the by the hour rooms.

LK Metro: it's a mini walking street and boasts all that walking street has to offer and just as amazing and spectacular to boot, usually a tiny bit cheaper than walking street.

Soi Buakhao: the home of Tree Town Night Market, expect to see lots of street food and restaurants and other vendors and open air bars, plus freelancers here, if you like to get ripped with the expats come here, very friendly place to hangout as well.

OK, now for some terms and what they mean and what to expect as well.

Barfine: this is a fee you must pay the gogo to take the girl away from the bar, the girls in the gogo's and gentleman's clubs main job is to get you to buy lady drinks, therefore if you take her away from the bar the bar will lose revenue so changing you a fee will help them recover what ever she might of sold in her absence, barfines vary and quite frankly depend on the girls status in the gogo and what time your are barfining her,* usually 1500 to maximum of 3000 baht, example: girl is a stunner and you want to barfine her at 9 pm so expect that barfine to be kinda high, girl is a 8/10 and it's 12 am barfine is going to be normal and reasonable, my advice is to let the girl or mamasan know of your intentions of barfining around 11 pm, around that time it doesn't matter if she's the hottest girl in Pattaya.

Short time: duration of campaionship, 1-2 hours, usually 1 pop, but maybe 2 If she feels sorry if your a 5 pump chump, usually you play chess at the venue or at a by the hour room and sometimes if your hotel isn't far away she'll accompany you there, ST is usually the same everywhere in Pattaya either 1000 or maximum of 1500 baht, since it's short time she doesn't expect much from you, she's not expecting you to take her dancing or drinking or even out to a nice meal at beefeaters, best to pick a girl with a quirky and outgoing personality for short time so you don't get a starfish or a phone checker.

Long Time: duration of campaionship, depending on the time you barfined her, with long time she will definitely be coming with you anywhere you want to go and wake up with you in the morning, Long time is price varies, usually 4000 or maximum of 8000 baht, the amount is up to her not the venue so one guy she might say 4000 an another guy she might say 10,000, don't fuck up the questions she asks you, she's going to expect some things, you most likely have her for the night and into the morning, she's been hungry since she clocked in, she wants to party, she picked you to party the night away with, so fucking live it up bro. Show her your the king of Staten Island and you'll definitely be rewarded for it.

Lady drinks: special drinks that you buy for the girl your interested in, its her job to try her best to get you to buy as many as she can, she usually had a quota to meet each day, and sometimes a small commission from each drink sold, they are usually always a soda type drink if you don't specify what drink you want her to drink, if you want to drink shots with you her shots will be watered down cause a drunk gogo girl can't sell lady drinks or dance 555, you don't have to buy lady drinks if you don't want to, but if you don't you sorta be ignored, oh, and the more you buy her drinks the more she'll know your worth her time.

555: it means LOL.

Freelancers: a freelancer is a sex worker that doesn't work in gogo, soi 6, or a gentleman's club, they can be found in many different areas, such as " coconut bar " open air bars, clubs, and disco's and sometimes in hotel lobbies, freelancers are significantly cheaper because there is no barfine or lady drinks, it's just a quick negotiation and it off to your hotel room to play connect four, the majority of freelancers are on [URL]Thaifriendly.com[/URL], they usually have their own transportation if you use [URL]Thaifriendly.com[/URL] to get them to come to your hotel, but if not a 100 baht tip for her travel expense is a nice thing to do, usually 1000-1500 baht to show her your box of crayons, some guys prefer freelancers because of cost and less interaction, but I'm just going to give my two cents about freelancers, you could get a bad apple or a starfish going this route, their could be less safety when it comes to items in your room cause this girl has no mamasan (a mamasan is the boss lady of the gogo / bar, she takes care of the girls and keeps them in line) so she might get sticky fingers.

Online / app for freelancers is [URL]Thaifriendly.com[/URL].

Tinder is full of freelancers.

[URL]devilsdenthailand.com[/URL] has freelancers as well.

Coconut Bar: it's what everyone calls Beach road, beach road is the road that leads to walking street, around dusk you'll start to see girls start to hang out under the palm trees, they ain't there for the shade,* you'll also notice they have their phone in their hand* checking [URL]Thaifriendly.com[/URL], if your interested in what you see you most likey need to make the first move, say sawawdee ka! (that means Hello,) then wai (a Wai, put your hands together and make a slight bow) then say " short time " then she will start negotiations, if you agree she'll follow you to your hotel if it's close by to her motorbike or might even take you to a by the hour room to of course help you fold your laundry.

Gogo's: are indoor venues that have girls dancing on stage, every gogo is different, some gogo's have their girls wear skits with no panties, then their are some that are totally nude, some gogo's are more hands on and in these places the girls will be very friendly, the gogo girls main objective is to sell you " lady drinks "* make her quota and hopefully get a couple " short times " in before 12 am when they will be looking for a whale to " Long time " them, gogo's cost more for everything (drinks, lady drinks, barfines, college donation fee, etc) some gogo's have spectacular shows where a group of girls will do a choreographed pole show, some gogo's have a special part of the dance stage where some crazy shit happens, (toys) make sure to trim your finger nails and bring a napkin along to wipe your face if you know what I mean, 555.

I rarely short time, I usually always long time, and I might spend more money than average but. Basically, this is what I always do in a gogo and have never once been told no, so follow these tips and your be wearing a panty crown by morning.

Gogo girls always expect the most money they can get fron their services.

7-10 - 2000 baht.

8-10 - 3000 baht.

9-10 - 4000-6000 baht.

10-10 - 5000- 6000 baht.

1. * Sit down and enjoy the scenery.

2. After sitting for about a minute a staff member will come over and ask you to buy a drink, buy a drink from the drink menu.

3. If you see a girl you like, eye fuck her, or go up to the stage and tip her, or if your shy about doing that give your tip to the staff member to give to her, now she knows where she needs to go when she's done dancing.

4. When she comes over to thank you for the tip, she will sir next to you, or even on your lap in some places.

5. now the game begins, she will ask you to buy her a lady drink, you'll drink together and she'll ask you some questions to get to know you and understand what you want, in-between questions she'll ask for more lady drinks, buy'them.

6. Eventually she will have to dance again.

7. keep tipping her.

8. She will definitely come back to you when she's finished her dance set.

9. Most likely another lady drink.

10. This is when you tell her you want to barfine her, you don't ask for a barfine, you tell her " I barfine you" she will then ask "short time" or "Long time".

12. Tell her Long time, and if she agrees she will then tell you her price for* long time, if you agree, (and don't you fucking dare try to negotiate a gogo girl, this isn't the coconut bar) she will tell you she'll be back in a minute, she has to go tell the mamasan of your intentions.

13. The mamasan will come over to you and tell you what the barfine is for her, if you agree she will take your money, then the girl will come back all smiles, she will then tell you she needs to go get changed, after 10 minutes she'll come out in her street clothes and you both can leave now.

14. What you do now is up to you, you have her till the morning.

15. Party time, go to a restaurant, go drinking, go clubbing, go to another gogo and pick her up a tag team partner, your king.

16. Did you have eyes on other girls in her gogo? Spend money on her, treat her well and those girls will Long time with you as well cause your LT will sing your praises.

Gentleman's Clubs: are gogo's with short time rooms, or you can close the curtain and play a wild game of peak a boo if you don't want to go upstairs, you can LT the girls her as well,* some gentleman's clubs are known to have special shows etc.

Soapy massage parlors: a venue with lots of girls that will give you a special and unique massage, I fucking love soapies, I have make sure to always have 2 regular girls I see, being a regular and treating them exceptionally well equals an awesome experience every time.

What to expect from a soapy massage and how it's done.

1. When you enter the venue you will see what is referred to as the "fish bowl" beautiful girls on a stage or chairs, they are usually siting in colored sections, the colors are the prices for her services.

2. Sit down, enjoy the view, take a moment to say Hi to the girls waving to you trying to get your attention to pick them.

3. A staff member will come by shortly to ask you to buy a drink.

4. After the staff member drops off your drink he or she will ask you who you want, Pick your girl, advice. Pick the girl or girls that are going out of their way to get your attention and not the hot girl on her phone that could care less that your there cause she clearly saw you and is clearly passing on you.

6. The staff member then will take you to the front desk and you will then pay for massage.

7. you might have to wait for a few minutes for the girl you picked to come over to you.

8. meet and greet time, she then will beckon you to follow her to a private room.

8. when you walk into this room you will definitely notice some things.

1. A tub.

2. air mattress.

3. A bed.

4. In nicer venues, Mirrors on the walls and the ceiling.

Ok, now what's going to happen, she will control the pace of everything, she will start to draw the tub and make it soapy, around this time a staff member will come in a ask you to buy a drink and lady drink as well,* after the staff member comes back with the drink she will then close and lock the door, meet and greet time again, then she will tell or motion you to undress and she will undress as well, get in the tub, she will now rub a dub* dub now, depending on if she is in to you cause your a regular of hers and big tipper will decide if any hanky panky happens in the tub, of not expect a good scubbing especially your naughty bits, after she's got you good and washed she will leave the tub and procede to get that air mattress good and soapy, she wiil take you out of the tub and on to the soaped up air matress, now its time for the soapy body to body massage, she basically will kneed your back, legs ect. Then body surf on you for a bit, she' ll flip you over and body surf some more, then you'll stand up, a quick dip back in the tub then the final rinse off and towel off, now it's time to lay on the bed and wait for her to tidy up everything, when she's done she'll towel off and join you on the bed, time to play checkers, when you are done playing you dress, kiss and a hug, tip 1000, then tell her to message you again on Line to tell you when to come over tomorrow.

Ping pong gogo's: while walking on walking street you might encounter some guys with a very explicit poster and ask you if you want to see a live sex show, if you do just say yes and they will escort to a place that is doing it, the ping pong show is the live sex show, it is something wild to experience, a once in a lifetime thing to see, but. Beware. You have to make a payment before you enter and then of course buy yourself a very overpriced and watered down drink, the show doesn't start until they get enough sales, when they do the show will start. 555 enjoy, by the way the show includes a hell of alot more than just ping pong balls, darts, razors, smoking? Etc. After each "performance" you a girl will go around with a tip bucket, other than the show there are girls trying to get lady drinks off you, oh, and you can Short time the drink girls.

Open air beer bars: it's a open air bar, lots of seats and tables, sit down and order a drink and before you know it a girl will come over and sit with you, these girls are usually freelancers looking for short times, some of these bars have a colored sign or something like that for you to turn up or down to let the ladies know you want some company, they also have tvs and music playing, since it's open air of course there is no air conditioning but lots of fans instead, these bars fill up pretty quick when the sun goes down, beer here is usually reasonably priced.

BJ bars: these are venues where the specifically cater in one thing, what they do is. Umm. Its in the name,* most have private rooms or booths with curtains, when you go in you will see girls, if your not ready being you just came in from the heat their is usually a full bar with tvs so they don't mind if you get a drink and cool off first, when your ready, pick one and she'll take you to a booth or private room, sometimes you'll be asked to buy a lady drink, if not she'll motion for you to take off your pants and sit down, she will then take out some wet naps and clean your junk, she'll inspect it as well, when she's done she'll get to work on ya, don't worry, these girls could suck chrome off a bumper, lots of guys love these venues cause these girls are great at what they do and can go back to the bar and get some drinks and go back for seconds when their up for it again.

Some helpful websites:

Pattay-[URL]addicts.com[/URL] : it's one of the most active Pattaya night life forums on the planet, when you get membership status you get to access to TFMI.

[URL]Thaifriendly.com[/URL] : it's the freelancers best friend, this is where the post, its like them clocking in for their night shift.

[URL]Smooci.com[/URL] : this is a professional website that escort companies post their girls on, its specifically Bangkok area but throw in another 3000 baht and they'll take a 2 hour taxi ride to your Pattaya hotel.

Social apps the girls use to communicate with you.

Line: they love this app, the use it for everything, phone calls, video calls.

Facebook messenger: they use this app cause in junction with Instagram.

Instagram: you know those selfies they been taking with you, yep. They are on her Instagram.

YouTubers worth watching:

LE Pub: LE pub is a beer bar across from the infamous Windmill, it's run by the legendary Mr. Egg, he's awesome and gives alot of information about the comings and goings happening in Pattaya.

Rides for kicks: his name Is Lucas his content is like being on a tour of Pattaya and how to actually live in Pattaya.

3-4 questions that every gogo girl asks you to figure out if your worth her time and effort and also for her safety as well, its sorta a ranking system.

1. where you from? = are you rich, what's your culture towards women and sex workers.

2. where you say? = are you a cheap Charlie, how far are you from the gogo and her condo.

3. how long you stay in Thailand or how long you on holiday = are you Long Time material, if she puts the effort in does she have time to get you to buy gold or a phone.

Things to bring to Thailand.

Lube, Astroglide, for the love of God I hope your not thinking about raw dawging, this helps out a lot, the Lube they sell in Pattaya sucks, the girls are always amazed when it's used, it might even end up in their purse. 555.

Condoms: I'm not fucking kidding, bring boxes, lots of them, the Asian market Condoms are smaller in width (very tight fit) and break easily, they suck.

Bin: it's a wooden cup for your bill, always pay your bill as soon as you receive it, doing so will make sure no mistakes happen or if you forget how many drinks you ordered.

This is a work in progress, I have more to add to this.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2734451]I was there (Club Amsterdam) a month a go and had a drink with her. Very pretty girl, amazing brand new fake boobs, she let me see and touch them while we talked. Brand new to Pattaya off the bus. She wanted 2000 baht for ST+ room but insisted on condom so I declined. This might be cheap compared to a Go Go, but for Bongkot it's certainly not. Honestly I was puzzled why she was working in that GC as it was totally dead and at the time she was the only girl. I suggested to her that she could make a lot more money at a Go Go in LK or Walking street.[/QUOTE]I recently nabbed her for 1 k. But I noticed when I offered 1 k she kind of hesitated at first and perhaps expected a higher offer. I'm guessing most offer her at least 1,500-2,000. I found the owner to be awkward and kind of just there for no reason which made being there a little off. I'll likely try one of the other bars next to it next time.

After months of reading this forum it's time to give back. Deepest thanks to all the senior members. Your posts were extremely helpful for my 1st trip to Pattaya.

Going to start off by stating everything is relative. So take the comments for what they are, what works for you / me may not meet someone else's expectations. Factors: length of stay, budget, age, etc. My intention was to have the best experience & not let budget limits spoil the fun = 18-22 yr olds billboard-worthy only. I purposely picked slow season to avoid large crowds. Was worried about rain but it's been sunny everyday!

I pre-arranged transfer from BKK via Nam's Taxi. Since it was past midnight, ride to Pattaya was just 90 minutes for 1400 thb. Top notch service. Skip the bus. Staying at 5-star hotel just few minutes from Central Pattaya / Festival. Spacious accommodations w / large hot tub next to the bed. Being close to Central Pattaya was helpful as I had all my meals on the top 2 floors. Lots of restaurant options. Meal costs had been between 600 1000 thb. I can't imagine eating at any of the open space restaurants around the area in fear of getting food poisoning & ruining my trip. Not to mention the humidity. Plenty of great mall restaurant options. Another nice mall is Terminal 21.

Soapies: Went by Honey 2 & 3. None appealed to me even at the highest tier level. And no kidding about the Indians by the bus load. I really wanted to check this off my list because "when in Pattaya" but simply no eye candies. Well at least I saw the fishbowls.

GC (BJ bars): Visited a few highly recommended ones. Didn't like I'm the only customer most of the time. Ladies were all much older than I liked. Disappointing.

Beer Bar: All the ones I've seen had ladies in their 30's thru 50's. Never spotted any attractive ones. There is nothing appealing about these open-air beer bars, except EPL games on the screens.

Beach Rd: Bottom of the barrel. Enough said.

Discos (for freelancers): I recommend Insomnia if you like EDM & 808 if hiphop. Younger crowd for sure. Best time to go is after 2 am when all the gogo bar girls drop in. Be warned it's packed shoulder to shoulder every night.

TF: Use age & weight filters. Hottest girls are bombarded w / messages. Greatest success when reaching those actually 'online' at the moment. Assume all are flakers if you try to set appointment even 1 day in advance. They respond best to those that want to see them "now". Ask for Line ID & carry your communication there. All photos are heavily photoshopped so moderate your expectations. If you think she's a 8 then in-person is probably a 6. So I only reach out to 10's. All had arrived within 30 minutes. ST between 1500-3000 thb. After I posted photo I got flooded with messages & 'likes' so best to have premium to 'appear offline'.

Gogo: This is the place to be if you want to preview what you're getting. PinUp is best for sexy girls. Windmill lived up to its expectations for fun (head upstairs). Every gogo bar has at least one 10. PinUp has quite a few 9's & 10's but if you go too late they'll all be barfined & left with 6's 8's. BF: 1500 thb. ST: 3000 thb. Tipping the mamasans a 100 thb goes a long way during repeat visits. And don't be afraid to turn girls away. Yes, all eyes are on you when you walk thru that door & they all want to be seated w / you.

So far I had only barfined girls from PinUp & Fahrenheit. And girls from TF. ST cost has been 3000 thb. 1 paid 4000 thb for 1 girl. She could have easily been a Victoria Secrets model. But all would be worthy of magazine model. All of them voluntarily bareback (not what I was seeking) & GFE. All stayed 3 4 hrs even though I paid for ST only. Haggling prices is simply not worth it. It kills the vibe & possibly would lower service. In the scheme of things cost is fraction of what we pay in the US (girls & food). We pay =12,000 thb in the US for Korean ladies in 30's pretending to be in their 20's for just 1 HR of GFE.

Met a barista at coffee shop that I stopped in everyday. We exchanged Line after a few chats. She could easily be labeled "model" at gogo bar. Invited her over & got the best BJ I ever had. Pornstar-level. BB everything. What a genuine surprise!

I hope to share part 2 of my trip. Please don't DM me. I will not reply to any DMs. This post is just a personal account of my experience that I hope can help others w / same objectives. Overall Pattaya is a lot of fun. I will plan to return once a year. 99.9% of the working girls here I would not share a bed w /. But hotties are there for you to find. Don't get emotionally attached no matter what they tell you. 100% it's a line. I set a no-repeat rule despite how hot & amazing the girl is. There will always be another hotter & an even better GFE, that's a fact.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2734451]I was there (Club Amsterdam) a month a go and had a drink with her. Very pretty girl, amazing brand new fake boobs, she let me see and touch them while we talked. Brand new to Pattaya off the bus. She wanted 2000 baht for ST+ room but insisted on condom so I declined. This might be cheap compared to a Go Go, but for Bongkot it's certainly not. Honestly I was puzzled why she was working in that GC as it was totally dead and at the time she was the only girl. I suggested to her that she could make a lot more money at a Go Go in LK or Walking street.[/QUOTE]That's a darn shame, but still, even CFS may be nice. She is a looker with a nice toned tummy.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2734685]One lady I have been doing regularly reports that she is pregnant, and I am the father (her Thai boyfriend is injured and cannot get it up). She doesn't work bar, and stays home, so the chances of her having another boyfriend are slim.

So, things are going to get unpleasant. Fortunately, I am leaving town for Phuket tomorrow, but I probably have to make some decisions today.[/QUOTE]Good luck to you, your lady, and all concerned. If I ever find myself in that situation, the next day I'll be jerking off into a cup for vasectomy testing.

Reminds me of a 2020 Samui lady who made me promise that I'd go with her to the hospital for an abortion, should she get pregnant. That made me wonder if she was already pregnant before we met. About 2 weeks later my Line chat sessions with her were marked as empty chat, which probably means she blocked and unfriended me, which I took as her way of saying she wasn’t pregnant.

Great update.

My trip been delayed to end September. Really looking forward.

[QUOTE=Mystic23;2734859]After months of reading this forum it's time to give back. Deepest thanks to all the senior members. Your posts were extremely helpful for my 1st trip to Pattaya.

Going to start off by stating everything is relative. So take the comments for what they are, what works for you / me may not meet someone else's expectations. Factors: length of stay, budget, age, etc. My intention was to have the best experience & not let budget limits spoil the fun = 18-22 yr olds billboard-worthy only. I purposely picked slow season to avoid large crowds. Was worried about rain but it's been sunny everyday!

I pre-arranged transfer from BKK via Nam's Taxi. Since it was past midnight, ride to Pattaya was just 90 minutes for 1400 thb. Top notch service. Skip the bus. Staying at 5-star hotel just few minutes from Central Pattaya / Festival. Spacious accommodations w / large hot tub next to the bed. Being close to Central Pattaya was helpful as I had all my meals on the top 2 floors. Lots of restaurant options. Meal costs had been between 600 1000 thb. I can't imagine eating at any of the open space restaurants around the area in fear of getting food poisoning & ruining my trip. Not to mention the humidity. Plenty of great mall restaurant options. Another nice mall is Terminal 21.

Soapies: Went by Honey 2 & 3. None appealed to me even at the highest tier level. And no kidding about the Indians by the bus load. I really wanted to check this off my list because "when in Pattaya" but simply no eye candies. Well at least I saw the fishbowls.

GC (BJ bars): Visited a few highly recommended ones. Didn't like I'm the only customer most of the time. Ladies were all much older than I liked. Disappointing.

Beer Bar: All the ones I've seen had ladies in their 30's thru 50's. Never spotted any attractive ones. There is nothing appealing about these open-air beer bars, except EPL games on the screens.

Beach Rd: Bottom of the barrel. Enough said.

Discos (for freelancers): I recommend Insomnia if you like EDM & 808 if hiphop. Younger crowd for sure. Best time to go is after 2 am when all the gogo bar girls drop in. Be warned it's packed shoulder to shoulder every night.

TF: Use age & weight filters. Hottest girls are bombarded w / messages. Greatest success when reaching those actually 'online' at the moment. Assume all are flakers if you try to set appointment even 1 day in advance. They respond best to those that want to see them "now". Ask for Line ID & carry your communication there. All photos are heavily photoshopped so moderate your expectations. If you think she's a 8 then in-person is probably a 6. So I only reach out to 10's. All had arrived within 30 minutes. ST between 1500-3000 thb. After I posted photo I got flooded with messages & 'likes' so best to have premium to 'appear offline'.

Gogo: This is the place to be if you want to preview what you're getting. PinUp is best for sexy girls. Windmill lived up to its expectations for fun (head upstairs). Every gogo bar has at least one 10. PinUp has quite a few 9's & 10's but if you go too late they'll all be barfined & left with 6's 8's. BF: 1500 thb. ST: 3000 thb. Tipping the mamasans a 100 thb goes a long way during repeat visits. And don't be afraid to turn girls away. Yes, all eyes are on you when you walk thru that door & they all want to be seated w / you.

So far I had only barfined girls from PinUp & Fahrenheit. And girls from TF. ST cost has been 3000 thb. 1 paid 4000 thb for 1 girl. She could have easily been a Victoria Secrets model. But all would be worthy of magazine model. All of them voluntarily bareback (not what I was seeking) & GFE. All stayed 3 4 hrs even though I paid for ST only. Haggling prices is simply not worth it. It kills the vibe & possibly would lower service. In the scheme of things cost is fraction of what we pay in the US (girls & food). We pay =12,000 thb in the US for Korean ladies in 30's pretending to be in their 20's for just 1 HR of GFE.

Met a barista at coffee shop that I stopped in everyday. We exchanged Line after a few chats. She could easily be labeled "model" at gogo bar. Invited her over & got the best BJ I ever had. Pornstar-level. BB everything. What a genuine surprise!

I hope to share part 2 of my trip. Please don't DM me. I will not reply to any DMs. This post is just a personal account of my experience that I hope can help others w / same objectives. Overall Pattaya is a lot of fun. I will plan to return once a year. 99.9% of the working girls here I would not share a bed w /. But hotties are there for you to find. Don't get emotionally attached no matter what they tell you. 100% it's a line. I set a no-repeat rule despite how hot & amazing the girl is. There will always be another hotter & an even better GFE, that's a fact.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mystic23;2734859]After months of reading this forum it's time to give back. Deepest thanks to all the senior members. Your posts were extremely helpful for my 1st trip to Pattaya.

Going to start off by stating everything is relative. So take the comments for what they are, what works for you / me may not meet someone else's expectations. Factors: length of stay, budget, age, etc. My intention was to have the best experience & not let budget limits spoil the fun = 18-22 yr olds billboard-worthy only. I purposely picked slow season to avoid large crowds. Was worried about rain but it's been sunny everyday!

I pre-arranged transfer from BKK via Nam's Taxi. Since it was past midnight, ride to Pattaya was just 90 minutes for 1400 thb. Top notch service. Skip the bus. Staying at 5-star hotel just few minutes from Central Pattaya / Festival. Spacious accommodations w / large hot tub next to the bed. Being close to Central Pattaya was helpful as I had all my meals on the top 2 floors. Lots of restaurant options. Meal costs had been between 600 1000 thb. I can't imagine eating at any of the open space restaurants around the area in fear of getting food poisoning & ruining my trip. Not to mention the humidity. Plenty of great mall restaurant options. Another nice mall is Terminal 21.

Soapies: Went by Honey 2 & 3. None appealed to me even at the highest tier level. And no kidding about the Indians by the bus load. I really wanted to check this off my list because "when in Pattaya" but simply no eye candies. Well at least I saw the fishbowls.

GC (BJ bars): Visited a few highly recommended ones. Didn't like I'm the only customer most of the time. Ladies were all much older than I liked. Disappointing.

Beer Bar: All the ones I've seen had ladies in their 30's thru 50's. Never spotted any attractive ones. There is nothing appealing about these open-air beer bars, except EPL games on the screens.

Beach Rd: Bottom of the barrel. Enough said.

Discos (for freelancers): I recommend Insomnia if you like EDM & 808 if hiphop. Younger crowd for sure. Best time to go is after 2 am when all the gogo bar girls drop in. Be warned it's packed shoulder to shoulder every night.

TF: Use age & weight filters. Hottest girls are bombarded w / messages. Greatest success when reaching those actually 'online' at the moment. Assume all are flakers if you try to set appointment even 1 day in advance. They respond best to those that want to see them "now". Ask for Line ID & carry your communication there. All photos are heavily photoshopped so moderate your expectations. If you think she's a 8 then in-person is probably a 6. So I only reach out to 10's. All had arrived within 30 minutes. ST between 1500-3000 thb. After I posted photo I got flooded with messages & 'likes' so best to have premium to 'appear offline'.

Gogo: This is the place to be if you want to preview what you're getting. PinUp is best for sexy girls. Windmill lived up to its expectations for fun (head upstairs). Every gogo bar has at least one 10. PinUp has quite a few 9's & 10's but if you go too late they'll all be barfined & left with 6's 8's. BF: 1500 thb. ST: 3000 thb. Tipping the mamasans a 100 thb goes a long way during repeat visits. And don't be afraid to turn girls away. Yes, all eyes are on you when you walk thru that door & they all want to be seated w / you.

So far I had only barfined girls from PinUp & Fahrenheit. And girls from TF. ST cost has been 3000 thb. 1 paid 4000 thb for 1 girl. She could have easily been a Victoria Secrets model. But all would be worthy of magazine model. All of them voluntarily bareback (not what I was seeking) & GFE. All stayed 3 4 hrs even though I paid for ST only. Haggling prices is simply not worth it. It kills the vibe & possibly would lower service. In the scheme of things cost is fraction of what we pay in the US (girls & food). We pay =12,000 thb in the US for Korean ladies in 30's pretending to be in their 20's for just 1 HR of GFE.

Met a barista at coffee shop that I stopped in everyday. We exchanged Line after a few chats. She could easily be labeled "model" at gogo bar. Invited her over & got the best BJ I ever had. Pornstar-level. BB everything. What a genuine surprise!

I hope to share part 2 of my trip. Please don't DM me. I will not reply to any DMs. This post is just a personal account of my experience that I hope can help others w / same objectives. Overall Pattaya is a lot of fun. I will plan to return once a year. 99.9% of the working girls here I would not share a bed w /. But hotties are there for you to find. Don't get emotionally attached no matter what they tell you. 100% it's a line. I set a no-repeat rule despite how hot & amazing the girl is. There will always be another hotter & an even better GFE, that's a fact.[/QUOTE]One member will be Steaming at the prices you pay. Market Price.

Any comments on Soi 6.

Even though I never partaked as the Hordes of Girls on the entrance never ever caught my Fancy. I might go in to have a closer look at what's available. On the Livestream there are some that look Half way decent.

Only one point of contention. Don't rule out repeats. I live for repeats. If they like you it gets much better after first session. For me First time is always awkward.

P.S. . Your run down of Girl Quality at Various venues is Spot on.

P.S. No comment on Discos. Not my thing.

[QUOTE=SarhaOtzar;2734747]But it's an exceptional report from are / pattaya (Not my report. But soon I'm also going to put some of my reports from my first visit).

Link to the post: [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/Pattaya/comments/wppppv/is_this_your_first_time_visiting_pattaya/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share[/URL].[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. Fabulous information.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2734952]Good luck to you, your lady, and all concerned. If I ever find myself in that situation, the next day I'll be jerking off into a cup for vasectomy testing.

Reminds me of a 2020 Samui lady who made me promise that I'd go with her to the hospital for an abortion, should she get pregnant. That made me wonder if she was already pregnant before we met. About 2 weeks later my Line chat sessions with her were marked as empty chat, which probably means she blocked and unfriended me, which I took as her way of saying she wasn't pregnant.[/QUOTE]My lady friend has a Thai husband who can't get it up, so I assumed that somehow she got pregnant from me, even though she's on the pill. But then I remembered that he can get it up if he takes Kamagra, and I gave him some two months ago.

My lady friend at first claimed she didn't want her husband to know, but then she admitted that he knew and it probably was his baby.

So, I am off to Phuket.

One of the puzzling things that bargirls say is that, if they haven't had a customer for a long time, their 5 minute ST fuck with you helped them with their sexual needs. I had one yesterday who told me she no have customer for 2 months and she was horny. I reminded her that her Thai husband came down from Isaan for a long visit recently. Her response was "not the same".

While lying in bed, she told me a story of how much she loved her husband, and how great he was. She then proceeded to give me a sloppy BJ and fucked me.

I happened to mention earlier that if she wanted me to finish, reverse Cowgirl would do the trick. So now she starts off with reverse Cowgirl to get me to finish quickly. I think she worked in ST bars too long.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2735097]Thanks for sharing. Fabulous information.[/QUOTE]Second that, excellent and comprehensive!

[QUOTE=Mystic23;2734859]…
Don't get emotionally attached no matter what they tell you. 100% it's a line. I set a no-repeat rule despite how hot & amazing the girl is. There will always be another hotter & an even better GFE, that's a fact.[/QUOTE]This is valuable advice!

I LT-ed a girl in Rawai a couple of weeks ago. Beautiful girl. All night she kept saying "come visit me when I return to Bangkok, you're the first I go with, long time I don't have sex, blah blah blah. " Very believable.

When we woke up in the morning, our interaction was basically transactional.

Utterly Intense.

9 am govt bus to Pattaya.

10 humans. 9 Afults one infant.

First time ever Bus is leaving late. Maybe waiting for last minute mad Rush. Joking here.

Buses Very Puntual.

Toilet is FREE. Used to be 3 baht.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2735148]Utterly Intense.

9 am govt bus to Pattaya.

10 humans. 9 Afults one infant.

First time ever Bus is leaving late. Maybe waiting for last minute mad Rush. Joking here.

Buses Very Puntual.

Toilet is FREE. Used to be 3 baht.[/QUOTE]Toilet was always free at Bangkok station. It's still 3 baht at Pattaya station.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2735108]One of the puzzling things that bargirls say is that, if they haven't had a customer for a long time, their 5 minute ST fuck with you helped them with their sexual needs. I had one yesterday who told me she no have customer for 2 months and she was horny. I reminded her that her Thai husband came down from Isaan for a long visit recently. Her response was "not the same".

While lying in bed, she told me a story of how much she loved her husband, and how great he was. She then proceeded to give me a sloppy BJ and fucked me.

I happened to mention earlier that if she wanted me to finish, reverse Cowgirl would do the trick. So now she starts off with reverse Cowgirl to get me to finish quickly. I think she worked in ST bars too long.[/QUOTE]They're expert liars. It's weird, even though they hook they want to make themselves look innocent.

I just got this text from a girl:

"I'm sorry I didn't answer you, my car fell down, my phone was broken, I just finished fixing it. ".

LOL, car and phone both happened to need fixing. Yeah I'm sure she wasn't playing the sympathy card trying to get me to fork over money to fix everything.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2735248]They're expert liars. It's weird, even though they hook they want to make themselves look innocent.[/QUOTE]No need to single them out as if they are the only liars in the world and everyone else always tells the truth. People are expert liars.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2735248]They're expert liars. It's weird, even though they hook they want to make themselves look innocent.

I just got this text from a girl:

"I'm sorry I didn't answer you, my car fell down, my phone was broken, I just finished fixing it. ".

LOL, car and phone both happened to need fixing. Yeah I'm sure she wasn't playing the sympathy card trying to get me to fork over money to fix everything.[/QUOTE]"You know I want to lie hugging you I want to be with you for a night it's still good I miss you all the time you are a better man than me I will never forget you".

I got this from a 22 year old bargirl this morning. Normally, I would ignore it, but I was her first customer when she was 18, so she probably didn't forget me.

Her story was that she came to Pattaya expressly for the purpose of having a Farang baby. She has been living off baby money since, but she broke up with her Thai boyfriend and is coming back to Pattaya. Maybe the baby money stopped.

She only posts 4 year old photos on Facebook, so maybe she is too pumpui for her boyfriend and to work bar.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2735143]This is valuable advice!

I LT-ed a girl in Rawai a couple of weeks ago. Beautiful girl. All night she kept saying "come visit me when I return to Bangkok, you're the first I go with, long time I don't have sex, blah blah blah. " Very believable.

When we woke up in the morning, our interaction was basically transactional.[/QUOTE]There is a major exception to the no-repeat rule:

If you are away from Pattaya for a long time, you can repeat with ladies. Because there is nothing more pleasant for a lady than "customer before."

She can waive any constraints to go with a customer before.

Of course, if she is bad in bed, that won't help.

Going to start off by stating everything is relative. So take the comments for what they are, what works for you / me may not meet someone else's expectations. Factors: length of stay, budget, age, etc. My intention was to have the best experience & not let budget limits spoil the fun = 18-22 yr olds billboard-worthy only. I purposely picked slow season to avoid large crowds. Was worried about rain but it's been sunny everyday!

Beach Rd: Bottom of the barrel. Enough said.

Gogo: This is the place to be if you want to preview what you're getting. PinUp is best for sexy girls. Windmill lived up to its expectations for fun (head upstairs). Every gogo bar has at least one 10. PinUp has quite a few 9's & 10's but if you go too late they'll all be barfined & left with 6's 8's. BF: 1500 thb. ST: 3000 thb. Tipping the mamasans a 100 thb goes a long way during repeat visits. And don't be afraid to turn girls away. Yes, all eyes are on you when you walk thru that door & they all want to be seated w / you.

So far I had only barfined girls from PinUp & Fahrenheit. And girls from TF. ST cost has been 3000 thb. 1 paid 4000 thb for 1 girl. She could have easily been a Victoria Secrets model. But all would be worthy of magazine model. All of them voluntarily bareback (not what I was seeking) & GFE. Al.

No one can criticize mystic.

You know that in Pattaya every foot have his shoe.

From the group of men that take a. Ladyboy for a hard session of sodomia.

To the young beautiful men and rich that take LT two gogo beauties for 10000 bath each.

Softened my stance on Soi 6.

It is what is is. I'll go as far to say they are much better value than a Mediocre Walking Street Girl.

If I heard correct. Barfine is 350 Baht. Girl fee is 1,300 Baht.

If you walk real Slow you might see one that is worth 1,650 baht.

They do seem as a group much Friendlier than an Agogo girl.

Same concept buy them a drink or give them a tip to judge,. No biggie.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2735299]No need to single them out as if they are the only liars in the world and everyone else always tells the truth. People are expert liars.[/QUOTE]I agree. But I also think 'liars' is a harsh word when describing bar-girls. The girls just tell customers what they want to hear.

Imagine if for one night only someone spiked every lady-drink in Pattaya with a truth serum and you were sat next to a cute little gogo girl telling you how many customers have fucked her lately, how much she loves her Thai boyfriend and going in to detail about last night's bareback spit-roast. I'd prefer her to tell me she's new in town, even if I know it's not true. It's all a game.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2735638]I agree. But I also think 'liars' is a harsh word when describing bar-girls. The girls just tell customers what they want to hear.
[/QUOTE]How do you know a bar girl is lying? Her lips are moving.

While it is necessary for them to lie all the time in their profession, lying becomes second nature to them in all aspects of their lives including their private lives.

Even when you have a relationship with one of them you will get lied to constantly about everything. Even when it is not necessary to lie, they will still not tell you the truth.

Yes, we all lie sometimes but companred to a bar girl we are saints.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2735638]I agree. But I also think 'liars' is a harsh word when describing bar-girls. The girls just tell customers what they want to hear.

Imagine if for one night only someone spiked every lady-drink in Pattaya with a truth serum and you were sat next to a cute little gogo girl telling you how many customers have fucked her lately, how much she loves her Thai boyfriend and going in to detail about last night's bareback spit-roast. I'd prefer her to tell me she's new in town, even if I know it's not true. It's all a game.[/QUOTE]As a permanent fixture in Pattaya, I hear that stuff all the time.

The ladies lo.

Hi, newbie poster here (but not newbie reader). I visited Pattaya in the first half of August, first time, although I've been to Thailand a few times before. Here are some of my thoughts.

First of all the basics. Pattaya is a paradise for lust, not love. In theory everyone knows that, but from talking to the girls it seems some customers don't understand it. So my advice: have fun, pay up and treat it for what it is.

Types of venues. Action can take place in a room attached to a venue, behind curtains in the main area of a venue, in your own hotel room, or at a short-time hotel (2-3 hours for 300-400 THB). Occasionally there is action in the main space, in public view of everybody, but apart from some foreplay this is pretty rare. If a venue has a dedicated room / space for sex / BJs, you'll most likely be using those. If not, you're off to a short-time hotel or your own hotel room.

There are a number of types of venues:

- Beer Bars. Bars with no walls, just a ceiling, where working girls role-play being the bar's customers; they try to come across as the friendly girl-next-door type; you pay for their drinks, but you can take almost any of them for sex to your hotel (ask about it when you buy her the first drink; and do discuss prices. Usually 1500 for ST, might be more if she's very hot; might be less if you're not selective + barfine 300-500).

- Girly bars. Closed-door beer bars, with rooms on premises; somehow, I didn't really like them too much.

- GCs. Closed-door bars, with explicit ladies, who do not role-play. They start caressing you and offering services almost immediately. Usually you start off with a lady drink, but after that you can go straight to a room, if you like. Or for a BJ. Whatever you like. Just ask. Oh, and the prices are pretty much standard - 1000 for sex, 500 for BJ. Plus BF / room (depends on the GC, usually about 300). Plus LD. Plus your own drink.

- Freelancers on ThaiFriendly. Very easy to find, tonnes of women, prices typically 1200 for ST. However, the logistics involved in meeting the girl outside of your hotel, to make sure she looks OK and is not a psycho, and perhaps to go to a short-time hotel, was just too much for me! I did it once, and it was very much like a beer bar girl experience. Not worth the hassle for me.

- Agogos. Closed-door bars with ladies dancing, sometimes in bikinis, sometimes topless, sometimes naked. Famed for the best looking and most expensive girls. And highest BFs.

- Soi Six: a Thai RLD street. The girls are mostly too young for my liking. And a lot of them are young, yes, but ugly! Plus the experience was very much a wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am type; hard pass.

- Massage places. The "happy ending" ones; I visited one and I feel they're good only if you need a solid alibi for your wife, vacationing with you in Pattaya.

- Freelancers on Beach Road ("Coconut bar") and around town. Did not explore them.

Personally, I most liked to visit:

* GCs / BJ bars in the afternoon. Especially Soi Bongkot and GC Excite. If you're not *very* picky about age and looks, you can fulfill a lot of fantasies. My preferred service was BJ in all possible positions, places and combinations of ladies. If getting a BJ right there in the bar is your thing, or BJ from two girls at the same time, these places are highly recommended.

* Agogos. I'd go once every few days just to watch, occasionally buy a lady drink for some attention. I really didn't feel the urge to BF them. I recommend Windmill and Kink upstairs for full nakedness and some limited naughtiness if you buy the lady a drink; and the packed Pin-up, which gave something of a cyberpunk vibe.

* Beer bars. I like the freedom to walk around and browse through the selection of girls. Try walking around Tree Town, Soi Buakhao, but also Soi 7, Soi 8 etc. - sometimes the most remote bars have great-looking ladies, and you'll get a very warm welcome. Most of the girls are 30+, yes, but with some effort you can find younger ones. Most, especially the younger ones, are very bored, and don't even try to capture your attention. Often it's worth chatting up an indifferent hot chick, just make sure she changes attitude before you start talking business.

Quality of girls. This is tricky, don't expect heaps of stunners. If you're all about hot young chicks and you're willing to pay top buck, agogos are the place to be. If you want young, and don't care about the quality of the service, perhaps even looks, try Soi Six. For the average guy, try the bars. If you want pleasant-friendly-and-easy, with looks less important, go for GCs.

Condoms. In general I try and stick to condoms for sex, although I have to admit I do, very rarely, make exceptions. I've never been explicitly offered BBFS as a selling point, but sometimes the bar girls on the way to my hotel would offer me both options (with the price already settled). Sometimes they'll be very explicit about the mandatory use of condom for sex (usually in the room, before the deed). But what most frequently happens is the girl asks you "do you have a condom?" in an assertive tone. I have said "no" 2 or 3 times, and then it's straight to BB. I think the question usually means: "I really prefer we use a condom, but if you don't want to, that's fine". They seem to have a lot of stories to support their preference of condoms, stories they tell me even after I choose the condom (mainly about the fear of getting pregnant and about pills not working properly; not about STDs). CIP was never discussed as a separate subject.

Working girls and ethics. I haven't met any "evil" working girls in Pattaya, but two things are pretty much the norm for most of them: taking advantage of you if they see the opportunity (even in "local" GCs), and lying. The first thing you can cover by avoiding giving the girls the opportunities. Ask in detail about prices, services, time allowed; make sure you immediately get a new receipt every time you order something at a venue, guard your bin to make sure nobody's adding drinks. And check the receipt every single time. Make sure you not only study it, but that you are also *seen* studying it. Do some theatrics. This will severely diminish the chance they'll try to cheat you. And believe me, this is normal and not frowned upon in the least bit. Oh, and always pay AFTER sex, when she's preparing to go.

As far as lying. This is mostly to tell the customer what he wants to hear and to protect the aspects of their lives they don't want to share. It's fine by me! I use white lies in Pattaya as well. However, in two cases the lying does get on my nerves. One is if the lady keeps telling unnecessary lies that are too easy to refute ("my boobs are natural!" - I squeeze the boob 2 inches away and it's very obviously silicon; "I've been in the bar for a week and no customer!" - "but you just said you just arrived yesterday? ") . Two is standard lies ("she's very shy", "she's new to the business", "my friend hasn't had a customer or a drink for a week! You have to buy her one! ") . These I have to laugh off very clearly. If I'm sometimes not in the mood to joke and I just smile, often they think I believe it all, I'm very dumb and they try to cheat me. I'll catch them in the act, and I have to switch venues. So much for a mood booster.

But all in good humour, I'm just saying as it is! All this doesn't ruin my fun, make sure it doesn't ruin yours!

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2735644]How do you know a bar girl is lying? Her lips are moving.

While it is necessary for them to lie all the time in their profession, lying becomes second nature to them in all aspects of their lives including their private lives.[/QUOTE]I disagree. If you talk to them in Thai with a no-nonsense attitude and without judging, many of them will tell you where they've been and what they've done, if you're genuinely interested.

Of course, they will like in professional capacity, either in the context of pleasing a customer or securing and keeping a sponsor. If you set up a situation where lying is expected and encouraged, they have no problem to comply. That might be a broader trend in Thai culture, harmony is worth more than truth.

Contrary to popular opinion, bargirls are [B]not[/B] expert liars, as long as you remove the key ingredient of a sponsor wanting to believe. It's pretty easy to cross-check their stories, if you're so inclined.

[QUOTE=Dupont88;2735628]From the group of men that take a. Ladyboy for a hard session of sodomia.[/QUOTE]Nice! If you like 2 balls and a carrot sticking out as some horror optic.

Multiple Agogo visits over two days. Pattaya Agogo Scene is off the Charts.

Still don't see much Barfining going on though.

In two and a half hours I saw maybe three girls being Barfined. In Rainbow 5 alone you might see 6 it 7 walking out the door with a pervert in an Hour.

Pinups- you finish oogling one hot girl another walks by, finish that one another sit down near you, etc.

Since Pin is more long than wide it's hard to see all the girls.

First night I saw small groups of guy in negotiations with various Doorman. Did not realize what it was till last night when I saw money being Exchanged. Shakedown. You want go in 100 baht surcharge Sir.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2735661]As a permanent fixture in Pattaya, I hear that stuff all the time.

The ladies lo.[/QUOTE]Oops, my post got truncated.

I was trying to say that if you are in Pattaya long time, you don't get so many lies.

Even so, the girls don't like to talk about their Thai boyfriends, less so if they have a Tomboy.

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2735722]But what most frequently happens is the girl asks you "do you have a condom?" in an assertive tone. I have said "no" 2 or 3 times, and then it's straight to BB.[/QUOTE]This right here is exactly the case! But others swear there is no BB or that it is hard to get. I have never tried to negotiate it beforehand and I think this is why the people that say it is not done are saying it. Maybe they are misspeaking and mean they have not been able to do it with negotiation. But how you and others have explained it is exactly how it happens and almost 100% of the time. If you are together in the room and say you do not have condom they are going to fuck anyway.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2735766]I disagree. If you talk to them in Thai with a no-nonsense attitude and without judging, many of them will tell you where they've been and what they've done, if you're genuinely interested.

Of course, they will like in professional capacity, either in the context of pleasing a customer or securing and keeping a sponsor. If you set up a situation where lying is expected and encouraged, they have no problem to comply. That might be a broader trend in Thai culture, harmony is worth more than truth.

Contrary to popular opinion, bargirls are [B]not[/B] expert liars, as long as you remove the key ingredient of a sponsor wanting to believe. It's pretty easy to cross-check their stories, if you're so inclined.[/QUOTE]How many guys that come to Pattaya speak Thai? Maybe 1 percent, if that. And yeah most guys don't genuinely care, guys are here for one thing (ass) and the girls are here for one thing (money). It's no different than the girls not giving a care about your story and where you're from and the problems you have back home. At the end of the day, men have no reason to lie about anything here whilst the girls do. But if you're naive to think that these girls opening up to you are telling you the truth, then that's on you. Check out the everythingPattaya Youtube channel, the guy tells some extraordinary stories about the extent to which women lie in Pattaya. It'll put any Pattaya monger straight and focused on what they're here for and to not fall into any girl's traps.

[QUOTE=LoverBoy#2;2735834]Nice! If you like 2 balls and a carrot sticking out as some horror optic.[/QUOTE]I write about the opposite.

For the problem of carrot enough taking a operated one.

I tried but better a women.

Lb have two major problems.

A high rate of diseases.

Tends to be aggressive on you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2735871]This right here is exactly the case! But others swear there is no BB or that it is hard to get. I have never tried to negotiate it beforehand and I think this is why the people that say it is not done are saying it. Maybe they are misspeaking and mean they have not been able to do it with negotiation. But how you and others have explained it is exactly how it happens and almost 100% of the time. If you are together in the room and say you do not have condom they are going to fuck anyway.[/QUOTE]Well, the girls ask "do you have a condom?" in exactly the same way a Western woman would ("freebie") in a casual encounter. However, in the latter case what it really would mean is "you better have a condom, or you can forget about sex, and if you insist, you'll never get a second chance and I'll probably throw a tantrum".

I'm under the impression the Thai girls are recreating this cultural template to get a knee-jerk reaction. Being assertive and looking you straight in the eye is not a very Thai thing.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2735871]This right here is exactly the case! But others swear there is no BB or that it is hard to get. I have never tried to negotiate it beforehand and I think this is why the people that say it is not done are saying it. Maybe they are misspeaking and mean they have not been able to do it with negotiation. But how you and others have explained it is exactly how it happens and almost 100% of the time. If you are together in the room and say you do not have condom they are going to fuck anyway.[/QUOTE]Yes, I don't get why others had mentioned no bb can be had or needed to negotiate beforehand. Every girl I had just hopped right on. Not a single one asked. Perhaps it's where they pick up the girls? Or perhaps age & quality (cost) of girls?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2733941]None. Waste of money, little value in going to a soapie.[/QUOTE]The sex is very mechanical and half the lineup is over 30. If you choose wisely you could get a better lay on the coconut bar which is also low on my list.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2735872]How many guys that come to Pattaya speak Thai? Maybe 1 percent, if that. And yeah most guys don't genuinely care, guys are here for one thing (ass) and the girls are here for one thing (money). It's no different than the girls not giving a care about your story and where you're from and the problems you have back home. At the end of the day, men have no reason to lie about anything here whilst the girls do. But if you're naive to think that these girls opening up to you are telling you the truth, then that's on you. Check out the everythingPattaya Youtube channel, the guy tells some extraordinary stories about the extent to which women lie in Pattaya. It'll put any Pattaya monger straight and focused on what they're here for and to not fall into any girl's traps.[/QUOTE]The chief complaint from the ladies about the customers is the lies customers spew about sponsoring them. A guy will profess his eternal love, tell the lady he will give her $xxx to go home to her village, and then, three months later, the money stops, and she is stuck in the village.

Another lie is the marital status of the customer, when they start talking about marriage with a lady, but they have a Farang wife.

I have been in Pattaya for about 3 months. I started using THAIFRIENDLY and I wanted to share my results / experience.

Communication: most of the women who initially showed interest in me did not respond to my follow up message. Most women: did not read my profile, asked redundant questions that my profile clearly answers, are managing multiple men at one time, use google translate (I often wondered why they took so long to respond). Profile Terms: Customer service, Looking for customers, Freelance, Open Mind, Looking for everything, Massage, Looking for work, Looking for friends, Friendly, ST and LT are.

Clear indicators to initiate a message for a possible meet. Most profiles did not indicate intent on the dating site or very little to no info about what they are looking for. As a result, I created an introduction with my intentions. Example #1, "Hello, I'm Ron Jeremy. I'm in pattaya to meet new friends. I read your profile but what are you looking for here? BF? Sponsor? Friends and customers? Most of the time I would get a response. I put my LINE ID in my profile since I was a standard member but I never received messages from women.

THAIFRIENDLY Age Range: Initially, I set from the range from 22 to 50.

Most of my successes came from older women ranging from 30 to 43 and no success with younger women in the range of 22 to 28 with the exception of a few scammers / cam show girls. Its my opinion that most women 40+ are looking for a BF and or a serious relationship as they smash into the wall.

With kids in tow, still working at bar / massage, don't want kids but are looking for love, marriage, a serious relationship and financial support from a nice guy.

THAIFRIENDLY Massage: Most advertise their massage skills, and location for you to visit.

Most will not visit you unless they are independent and travel to you (500 baht / HR). Those that work for a shop mentioned customers must visit their shop first before any outside repeat visits. As a result of visiting various spots, I've been able to explore new areas in and around pattaya.

Tried and true Massages: include Head and Shoulders (300 baht). Oil (300 baht), Foot scrub (200) and Foot (300 baht). In terms of pricing, Soi Pattaya Klang has some of the cheapest pricing and a few spots along Soi Buakhao. I have been quoted 1500 baht for FS in at least two spots one on Soi 13/1 and one on Soi Pattaya Klang.

THAIFRIENDLY Bar Girls: These women sometime advertise their bar work, fotos of the bar, and location for you to come visit with them. Expect to meet, chat, buy ladydrinks. I visited one in treetown (Foxy / Fox Bar) played pool, and had a drink. (38 yrs old and she stated 3000 baht for LT).

As of 8/26/22 she still can be seen on ThaiFriendly.

THAIFRIENDLY Freelancers: These women sometime advertise in their profile as Customer service, Looking for customers, Freelance, Open Mind, and Looking for everything. I've been ably to find a small group of reliable decent english speaking women with their own place and no roommates.

Most women only want ST customers up until about 9 pm.

Thaifriendly Fotos.

The following public images are meant to: 1. Illustrate profile language, 2. Illustrate what women look like, 3. Illustrate prices quoted by the women, 4. Illustrate dialogue and 5. To make things a bit easier for new Thaifriendly members.

Thaifriendly Date Options.

My ThaiFriendly Short Time Numbers (1-SHOT ON GOAL): Mostly:1000 baht A few:1200 baht Never:1300+baht.

My ThaiFriendly Long Time Numbers (MULTI SHOTS ON GOAL): Mostly:1500 baht-1700 baht A few:2000 baht Never:2000+.

Pool Date Locations: Yes: SOI 7/8: Pool (free).

Club Date locations: Yes: Lucifer / Republic /808 (Walk Street).

Thai BBQ Date: No.

Massage Date: No.

Bowling Date: No (Central Festival Mall) (180 baht / pp).

Date transport: Bolt Taxi.

As I reflect on my behavior.

I set a 2000 baht maximun for LT and a 1200 baht maximum for ST. I learned that agogos, BJ bars and gentleman clubs.

Use age, skin color, number of kids, body size and beauty to distinguish women into categories. 1. Models. 2. Coyotes.

And 3. Regular chicks. Models are considered to be young, skinny / thin, mostly white skin, have no kids.

Have tight bodies and are pretty. They can be seen in varibale shapes sizes and colors in and around Pattaya agogos.

So, a woman who is 30+ with kids, has a decent body and average looks has an initial value of 2000 baht.

As a guide, the standard ST price structure for BJ bars and most gentlemans clubs is 300-500 baht for the bar fine.

Which can include (curtain rooms)(short time room) (take out to hotel) and 1000 baht ST service with the girl.

Most of the gentleman clubs employ a range of older regular women and regular looking chicks but.

There are a few exceptions like (High Rollers Gentlemans Club) where youll find a mix of good quality.

The following images are a continuation from the first THAIFRIENDLY RESULTS report.

Just an Opinion.

No need to get Panties all tied up in knots.

I prefer Bangkok over Pattaya 55-1. Meaning for every 55 trips to Bangkok one to Pattaya is appropriate.

Just read an article about spending habits of current Visitors. Per person it's down. A genius could have come to that conclusion when you see the Kind of tourist walking all over Pattaya.

[QUOTE=DrDewman;2736210]I have been in Pattaya for about 3 months. I started using THAIFRIENDLY and I wanted to share my results / experience.

Communication: most of the women who initially showed interest in me did not respond to my follow up message. Most women: did not read my profile, asked redundant questions that my profile clearly answers, are managing multiple men at one time, use google translate (I often wondered why they took so long to respond). Profile Terms: Customer service, Looking for customers, Freelance, Open Mind, Looking for everything, Massage, Looking for work, Looking for friends, Friendly, ST and LT are.

Clear indicators to initiate a message for a possible meet. Most profiles did not indicate intent on the dating site or very little to no info about what they are looking for. As a result, I created an introduction with my intentions. Example #1, "Hello, I'm Ron Jeremy. I'm in pattaya to meet new friends. I read your profile but what are you looking for here? BF? Sponsor? Friends and customers? Most of the time I would get a response. I put my LINE ID in my profile since I was a standard member but I never received messages from women.

THAIFRIENDLY Age Range: Initially, I set from the range from 22 to 50.

Most of my successes came from older women ranging from 30 to 43 and no success with younger women in the range of 22 to 28 with the exception of a few scammers / cam show girls. Its my opinion that most women 40+ are looking for a BF and or a serious relationship as they smash into the wall.

With kids in tow, still working at bar / massage, don't want kids but are looking for love, marriage, a serious relationship and financial support from a nice guy.

THAIFRIENDLY Massage: Most advertise their massage skills, and location for you to visit.

Most will not visit you unless they are independent and travel to you (500 baht / HR). Those that work for a shop mentioned customers must visit their shop first before any outside repeat visits. As a result of visiting various spots, I've been able to explore new areas in and around pattaya.

Tried and true Massages: include Head and Shoulders (300 baht). Oil (300 baht), Foot scrub (200) and Foot (300 baht). In terms of pricing, Soi Pattaya Klang has some of the cheapest pricing and a few spots along Soi Buakhao. I have been quoted 1500 baht for FS in at least two spots one on Soi 13/1 and one on Soi Pattaya Klang.

THAIFRIENDLY Bar Girls: These women sometime advertise their bar work, fotos of the bar, and location for you to come visit with them. Expect to meet, chat, buy ladydrinks. I visited one in treetown (Foxy / Fox Bar) played pool, and had a drink. (38 yrs old and she stated 3000 baht for LT).

As of 8/26/22 she still can be seen on ThaiFriendly.

THAIFRIENDLY Freelancers: These women sometime advertise in their profile as Customer service, Looking for customers, Freelance, Open Mind, and Looking for everything. I've been ably to find a small group of reliable decent english speaking women with their own place and no roommates.

Most women only want ST customers up until about 9 pm.

Thaifriendly Fotos.

The following public images are meant to: 1. Illustrate profile language, 2. Illustrate what women look like, 3. Illustrate prices quoted by the women, 4. Illustrate dialogue and 5. To make things a bit easier for new Thaifriendly members.

Thaifriendly Date Options.

My ThaiFriendly Short Time Numbers (1-SHOT ON GOAL): Mostly:1000 baht A few:1200 baht Never:1300+baht.

My ThaiFriendly Long Time Numbers (MULTI SHOTS ON GOAL): Mostly:1500 baht-1700 baht A few:2000 baht Never:2000+.

Pool Date Locations: Yes: SOI 7/8: Pool (free).

Club Date locations: Yes: Lucifer / Republic /808 (Walk Street).

Thai BBQ Date: No.

Massage Date: No.

Bowling Date: No (Central Festival Mall) (180 baht / pp).

Date transport: Bolt Taxi.

As I reflect on my behavior.

I set a 2000 baht maximun for LT and a 1200 baht maximum for ST. I learned that agogos, BJ bars and gentleman clubs.

Use age, skin color, number of kids, body size and beauty to distinguish women into categories. 1. Models. 2. Coyotes.

And 3. Regular chicks. Models are considered to be young, skinny / thin, mostly white skin, have no kids.

Have tight bodies and are pretty. They can be seen in varibale shapes sizes and colors in and around Pattaya agogos.

So, a woman who is 30+ with kids, has a decent body and average looks has an initial value of 2000 baht.

As a guide, the standard ST price structure for BJ bars and most gentlemans clubs is 300-500 baht for the bar fine.

Which can include (curtain rooms)(short time room) (take out to hotel) and 1000 baht ST service with the girl.

Most of the gentleman clubs employ a range of older regular women and regular looking chicks but.

There are a few exceptions like (High Rollers Gentlemans Club) where youll find a mix of good quality.[/QUOTE]You online guys Crack me up. It's Thailand go find a girl on the Streets,. Meaning Live.

How do you judge Chemistry online?

I see some very Pretty girls in Agogos of Pattaya. The ones who don't look back or smile you just know won't be Fun at all.

The ones that acknowledge you are interested could be fun or not. Who knows.

I use messaging to work the logistics with ladies, what day they are coming, what time, what we are going to do, etc. I don't spend much time chatting about other things.

Sometimes a lady will ping me to say "good morning ". But if I respond, she will continue to chat. After about 5 minutes, she will mention that she has no money. Maybe because she just sent her last baht to her family, or it rained last night, so no customers.

If they try that, I don't respond. I don't say no, I just stop responding.

Rule #1 in Pattaya: Ladies give their boyfriend money, and take from customers.

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2735722]
...
But what most frequently happens is the girl asks you "do you have a condom?" in an assertive tone. I have said "no" 2 or 3 times, and then it's straight to BB.
I think the question usually means: "I really prefer we use a condom, but if you don't want to, that's fine".[/QUOTE]Absolutely true in my experience as well with some of the girls I have chosen to take the "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" approach with and have not negotiated bareback sex upfront.

But only in Bangkok. And even there the "go with the flow" approach goes that easily and smoothly for me only about 15-20% of the time. It has never gone that smoothly and easily with the several girls I've taken and chosen that approach with in Pattaya over the past 10 years though. If it happened that easily and smoothly for me in Bangkok and Pattaya every time or even most of the time I choose the "go with the flow" approach in Bangkok and Pattaya, I'd probably never bother to negotiate bareback sex upfront again.

However, as you further report:

[QUOTE]They seem to have a lot of stories to support their preference of condoms, stories they tell me even after I choose the condom (mainly about the fear of getting pregnant and about pills not working properly; not about STDs). CIP was never discussed as a separate subject.[/QUOTE]Yes. Ah, now we're in the realm of just some of what happens far more often when I choose the "go with the flow" approach and don't negotiate bareback sex upfront, especially in Pattaya.

Typically, those stories are just the beginning. Then follows the Safety First lecture. Then the horror stories about what happened to this or that friend of a friend's cousin who didn't use a condom every time. Then possibly a new price negotiation. And that is not counting the many times the girl didn't just try to talk talk talk talk and talk me out of ever considering going bareback with anyone else for the rest of my life but also put her hand over her pussy and rolled off the bed at the point of near penetration. No joke. That has happened many, many times.

All of which is enough of a deal and buzz killer for me that my mind, interest in fucking the girl and erection left the room sometime during the first minute of her first anti bareback sex anecdote.

Also in my experience, once the girl's resistance to bareback sex with me goes beyond that first smooth and easy condom or no condom option exchange I quoted from your report above, it is almost certain she will only grudgingly go along with it at best anyway. And an open hole is not even close to all it takes for me to enjoy and finish an act of coitus.

In my case I need the girl to reach around and engage in a bit of gentle ball tickling if I'm going finish in regular sex. A minor request, imo. But when one of those girls who grudgingly goes along with bareback sex with me after the horror stories and Safety First lecture figures out that is the additional thing I need to get me off, she will stop doing that additional thing to make sure I don't finish. Almost guaranteed.

The game set match then is she has sure enough agreed to bareback sex with me so I have no standing to pay less than any reneogitated amount for the pleasure but she also managed to make sure I didn't finish anyway. LOL.

This is why a simple upfront negotiation and agreement for BBFS is by far the better way for me to go. If she says Yes, great. We will have memorable and wonderful sex together (well, I will), the chances of her not playing any games about doing what I need to get me off is very high and she will make some money.

If she says No, that's fine too. She very very likely saved me from enduring my 5,000th Safety First lecture and there is always another girl in the queue who will have Real Sex with me without a hassle and earn a generous fee for it.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2735846]I saw money being Exchanged. Shakedown. You want go in 100 baht surcharge Sir.[/QUOTE]Was this for everyone who isn't a regular or targeted at the usual guys who get asked an entry fees?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2736271]Was this for everyone who isn't a regular or targeted at the usual guys who get asked an entry fees?[/QUOTE]The Usuals. The only group who Tourist Authority targeted who actually showed up in Droves.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2736222]Just an Opinion.

No need to get Panties all tied up in knots.

I prefer Bangkok over Pattaya 55-1. Meaning for every 55 trips to Bangkok one to Pattaya is appropriate.
[/QUOTE]I generally respect your opinions Mr Chinn so please articulate further.

My take has always been that Bangkok is more expensive, much harder to secure BBFS, and there are less mongering options and variety of girls. Also it's more congested and harder to relax.

On the upside there are more high end girls that are legitimately hot, but they will cost you.

I usually skip Bangkok. Should I re-consider and why?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2736233]
This is why a simple upfront negotiation and agreement for BBFS is by far the better way for me to go. If she says Yes, great. We will have memorable and wonderful sex together (well, I will), the chances of her not playing any games about doing what I need to get me off is very high and she will make some money.
[/QUOTE]If the negotiated price is 1500 or greater I will secure explicit BBFS agreement or willingness to do "anything". If it's 1000 I will go with the flow. I've never had a girl deny me a BBBJ with COF or CIM so its usually not a total loss. I mean try getting a hot and slender 19 year old girl in USA to blow you and let you cum in her mouth for $28 US.

[QUOTE=DrDewman;2736210]Communication: most of the women who initially showed interest in me did not respond to my follow up message. Most women: did not read my profile, asked redundant questions that my profile clearly answers, are managing multiple men at one time, use google translate (I often wondered why they took so long to respond).

"Hello, I'm Ron Jeremy. I'm in pattaya to meet new friends. I read your profile but what are you looking for here? BF? Sponsor? Friends and customers? Most of the time I would get a response. I put my LINE ID in my profile since I was a standard member but I never received messages from women.[/QUOTE]

Working girls don't have time for all that bullshit. No, they're not going to be poring over your profile and cautiously crafting elaborate responses, considering whether you already answered the routine casual questions. They won't contact you unsolicited based on a Line ID from your online profile either, if you don't send them a message. Most of them have hundreds of leads and misleads, but not enough customers with money in hand, right now.

For the working girls, the shorter the better.

"I'm in Pattaya now. Looking for ST. My Line ID is xyz, what's your Line ID?"

If you want to be direct, use "Is 1000 baht for ST ok?" for the 2nd sentence. I get responses to this 2/3 of the time from profiles in Pattaya.

For non-working girls, short and sweet works well too, but maybe a little more sweet. All they look at is the picture anyway. Don't write an essay. Obviously, success rate is lower if you aren't paying.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2736410]I generally respect your opinions Mr Chinn so please articulate further.

My take has always been that Bangkok is more expensive, much harder to secure BBFS, and there are less mongering options and variety of girls. Also it's more congested and harder to relax.

On the upside there are more high end girls that are legitimately hot, but they will cost you.

I usually skip Bangkok. Should I re-consider and why?[/QUOTE]Bangkok is a drain on me. Hot, crowded, smelly and just overwhelming. I find myself moody and insufferable there for these reasons. Pattaya on the other hand is cooler, chill and more my style. The logistics of the two cities is where Pattaya truly shines. Getting around in Bangkok takes some time and effort and having to get through crowds whereas Pattaya you simply stay on the Baht bus route and you have everything easily accessible without crowds and problems.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2736432]Working girls don't have time for all that bullshit. No, they're not going to be poring over your profile and cautiously crafting elaborate responses, considering whether you already answered the routine casual questions. They won't contact you unsolicited based on a Line ID from your online profile either, if you don't send them a message. Most of them have hundreds of leads and misleads, but not enough customers with money in hand, right now.

For the working girls, the shorter the better.

"I'm in Pattaya now. Looking for ST. My Line ID is xyz, what's your Line ID?"

If you want to be direct, use "Is 1000 baht for ST ok?" for the 2nd sentence. I get responses to this 2/3 of the time from profiles in Pattaya.

For non-working girls, short and sweet works well too, but maybe a little more sweet. All they look at is the picture anyway. Don't write an essay. Obviously, success rate is lower if you aren't paying.[/QUOTE]I don't know when was the last time you were in Pattaya, but in early August (post-COVID and low season), the ladies had all the time in the world. Most girls got very few customers and were bored to death.

I got replies to all my messages on TF, I have been contacted multiple times unsolicited, often with the opening line "I do ST" or "I do massage in customer's room". One even gave the price in the first message (she was ugly but cheap, good strategy). About 30 girls from Pattaya liked my profile, and the ones I contacted replied to my inquires pretty patiently, though sometimes with a delay. They had no problem discussing stuff on TF, though Line is more reliable.

Just make sure to put up a picture, you can distort it severely by using filters (beyond recognition of the face). It's just so the girl knows you're not Quasimodo's uglier twin brother. I'm neither hot nor young, although most likely I'm somewhat thinner and somewhat younger than the average punter.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2736413]If the negotiated price is 1500 or greater I will secure explicit BBFS agreement or willingness to do "anything". If it's 1000 I will go with the flow. I've never had a girl deny me a BBBJ with COF or CIM so its usually not a total loss. I mean try getting a hot and slender 19 year old girl in USA to blow you and let you cum in her mouth for $28 US.[/QUOTE]Yes, I will go as high as 2,000 baht before I secure an explicit agreement for BBFS and am fine with "go with the flow" for 1500 baht or less. However, that is for FLs in Bangkok, not Pattaya.

In Pattaya I so rarely see and meet a FL that I would pay as much as 1000 for, my whole point in asking them for an upfront agreement for BBFS is really to justify spending any time and money on one at all. As it happens, none of the rare Pattaya FLs I have considered paying as much as 1000 baht for has said Yes upfront anyway. LOL. And, to be more accurate about it, many times we don't even get to the money part before the answer is "No, not now, not ever, not for any amount of money" kind of thing.

Then, switching to "go with the flow" in Pattaya with those FLs has not improved my results either. But, sure enough, taking that approach did indeed waste my time and money as expected.

However, my sampling would only be 10-15 "go with the flow" Pattaya FLs over the past 10 years or so.

Now, in the case of go-go bars where the addition of a barfine will most certainly push the cost at or above 2,000 baht, I will almost always secure an upfront agreement for BBFS. And, predictably, my success results are much better; one Pattaya go-go girl agreed upfront to it with me about 6 years ago (I estimate that to be about a 5% success rate per Pattaya go-go girls asked) and hundreds of Bangkok go-go girls have agreed to it and still do quite regularly (I estimate that to be about a 60% success rate per Bangkok go-go girls asked).

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2736410]I generally respect your opinions Mr Chinn so please articulate further.

My take has always been that Bangkok is more expensive, much harder to secure BBFS, and there are less mongering options and variety of girls. Also it's more congested and harder to relax.

On the upside there are more high end girls that are legitimately hot, but they will cost you.

I usually skip Bangkok. Should I re-consider and why?[/QUOTE]You should be YOU.

Different strokes for different folks really does apply here.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2736470]Bangkok is a drain on me. Hot, crowded, smelly and just overwhelming. I find myself moody and insufferable there for these reasons. Pattaya on the other hand is cooler, chill and more my style. The logistics of the two cities is where Pattaya truly shines. Getting around in Bangkok takes some time and effort and having to get through crowds whereas Pattaya you simply stay on the Baht bus route and you have everything easily accessible without crowds and problems.[/QUOTE]Exactly the opposite here. I find Pattaya depressing with all the old alcoholics and guys who haven't seen a stitch of exercise in the last 20 years walking around in singlets. And of course this is just the westerners, in addition you have some of the most unpleasant Asian tourists you could hope to find. Also overall the choice of females is much less desirable to my eye being mainly darker more rustic gals. I find Patters at incredibly depressing. When I first moved here 20 plus years ago it was charmingly sleazy, now just ugh to my eyes.

Bangkok on the other hand is a truly international City with world class restaurants, lots of activities, and amazingly beautiful women everywhere. And if you stay out of the Go-Go bars and fish in the same pond the local guys do you can find some real beauties.

I really appreciate the Everything Pattaya youtube channel which is generally a great source of information and wry commentary, but this thing where he's taking his camera into the Soi Bongkot GC's during working hours is a recipe for disaster.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIwcpP1GV1Q[/URL]

I've been in this very club leaning against that very bar with my dick in a girls hand fairly wasted at 3 pm. Not sure I wan't my face on youtube in that setting. Same reason I avoid the Beer Bars run by all those youtubers like Mr Egg and the Assienda guy.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2736617]I really appreciate the Everything Pattaya youtube channel which is generally a great source of information and wry commentary, but this thing where he's taking his camera into the Soi Bongkot GC's during working hours is a recipe for disaster.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIwcpP1GV1Q[/URL]

I've been in this very club leaning against that very bar with my dick in a girls hand fairly wasted at 3 pm. Not sure I wan't my face on youtube in that setting. Same reason I avoid the Beer Bars run by all those youtubers like Mr Egg and the Assienda guy.[/QUOTE]On my very first trip to Bangkok in July of 1999 I had a digital camera with me on soi cowboy one evening. I was told by numerous punters not to take any pictures of the bars the street or any of the people. I think that's a great rule.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2736617]I really appreciate the Everything Pattaya youtube channel which is generally a great source of information and wry commentary, but this thing where he's taking his camera into the Soi Bongkot GC's during working hours is a recipe for disaster.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIwcpP1GV1Q[/URL]

I've been in this very club leaning against that very bar with my dick in a girls hand fairly wasted at 3 pm. Not sure I wan't my face on youtube in that setting. Same reason I avoid the Beer Bars run by all those youtubers like Mr Egg and the Assienda guy.[/QUOTE]Hi bud, did I miss something or watch wrong video? Where at any point do you see any customers in video, if so I agree that's pushing it! But I not see and I think he's just providing good valuable information!

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2736413]...I've never had a girl deny me a BBBJ with COF or CIM so its usually not a total loss. I mean try getting a hot and slender 19 year old girl in USA to blow you and let you cum in her mouth for $28 US.[/QUOTE]Ah, again that is where my lived experience is very different.

BBBJCIM is the only thing that works for me as a fall back option with the non barebacker girls. I consider a COF or Cum On Whatever to be a handjob with some oral foreplay throw in at best and masturbation with some oral foreplay thrown in at worst.

The thing is, an acceptable BBBJCIM requires some skill on the part of the girl, unlike merely fucking, which generally requires no skill at all, just a comfy vagina. Not only have I had many, many non bareback girls refuse to make up for it with a BBBJCIM, but I find the most adamant non bareback girls to be the worst at giving a BBBJCIM. So I can't rely on that being a fall back option with a first time girl.

If anything, it is only after I have had a successful bareback fucking experience with a girl that I feel ok about occasionally opting for a BBBJCIM alternative, knowing that an acceptable BBFSCIP can be the fall back option if she is really bad at it.

If I'm going to get the last second dreaded paralysis, head turn or pull away at the finish of a falsely advertised BBBJCIM and it turns out to be a handjob finish instead, perhaps even a really poorly finished hand job or, worse, me taking it in hand myself in a panic just to avoid the pain of a midway halted ejaculation, I'd just as soon abort the whole mission, give her taxi fare and send her on her way.

I'm at a stage in my life where I can't be wasting bullets left and right on handjobs or masturbation. LOL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2736634]On my very first trip to Bangkok in July of 1999 I had a digital camera with me on soi cowboy one evening. I was told by numerous punters not to take any pictures of the bars the street or any of the people. I think that's a great rule.[/QUOTE]I was at Nana Plaza last night, took a few harmless photos on my camera of the general scenery. Security came up to me and told me to delete photos. As the photos were nothing of importance I deleted them in front of him and had a quick chat with him about what the current policy is.

Last year you could take photos at Nana but apparently now you can't. Hard to keep up with the rules.

Now with everyone having a mobile phone it is very difficult to policy a no photo policy anywhere. Even when I was chatting to security at Nana I could see various other people taking selfies etc within Nana Plaza. So many people were doing it it is very difficult to Police.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2736581]... if you stay out of the Go-Go bars and fish in the same pond the local guys do you can find some real beauties.[/QUOTE]Can you elaborate, please?

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2736617]I really appreciate the Everything Pattaya youtube channel which is generally a great source of information and wry commentary, but this thing where he's taking his camera into the Soi Bongkot GC's during working hours is a recipe for disaster.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIwcpP1GV1Q[/URL]

I've been in this very club leaning against that very bar with my dick in a girls hand fairly wasted at 3 pm. Not sure I wan't my face on youtube in that setting. Same reason I avoid the Beer Bars run by all those youtubers like Mr Egg and the Assienda guy.[/QUOTE]I was just at one of the Soi Bongkot bars today and was talking to the bartender / mamasan about this and she said she wouldn't allow any videos at her place. I specifically told her there's a YT channel and he's planning to go inside all the bars there and she reiterated that she won't allow it.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2736617]I really appreciate the Everything Pattaya youtube channel which is generally a great source of information and wry commentary, but this thing where he's taking his camera into the Soi Bongkot GC's during working hours is a recipe for disaster.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIwcpP1GV1Q[/URL]

I've been in this very club leaning against that very bar with my dick in a girls hand fairly wasted at 3 pm. Not sure I wan't my face on youtube in that setting. Same reason I avoid the Beer Bars run by all those youtubers like Mr Egg and the Assienda guy.[/QUOTE]Many of these videos by Everything Pattaya are staged, it's prearranged with the club. Basically, it's an advertisement. The guy even says he couldn't show the rooms, because 7 girls were waiting in the back (didn't want to show their faces). I haven't seen a single customer's face inside a club in any of EP's videos.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2736711]Can you elaborate, please?[/QUOTE]Online. Fiwfans and the associated Telegram groups. But as many of you know it takes a lot of research and a lot of time and for some dudes that's not particularly fun.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2736711]Can you elaborate, please?[/QUOTE]He means go to the Thai bars in Bangkok, not the gogos.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2736617]I really appreciate the Everything Pattaya youtube channel which is generally a great source of information and wry commentary, but this thing where he's taking his camera into the Soi Bongkot GC's during working hours is a recipe for disaster.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIwcpP1GV1Q[/URL]

I've been in this very club leaning against that very bar with my dick in a girls hand fairly wasted at 3 pm. Not sure I wan't my face on youtube in that setting. Same reason I avoid the Beer Bars run by all those youtubers like Mr Egg and the Assienda guy.[/QUOTE]Hi bud,

Where at any point in that or any other video dose he show any at all customers? I'm with you if he did, but at no point I've seen him do so, and find his videos very helpful and good information!

Definitely agree with this! Great post.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2736647]Ah, again that is where my lived experience is very different.

BBBJCIM is the only thing that works for me as a fall back option with the non barebacker girls. I consider a COF or Cum On Whatever to be a handjob with some oral foreplay throw in at best and masturbation with some oral foreplay thrown in at worst.

The thing is, an acceptable BBBJCIM requires some skill on the part of the girl, unlike merely fucking, which generally requires no skill at all, just a comfy vagina. Not only have I had many, many non bareback girls refuse to make up for it with a BBBJCIM, but I find the most adamant non bareback girls to be the worst at giving a BBBJCIM. So I can't rely on that being a fall back option with a first time girl.

If anything, it is only after I have had a successful bareback fucking experience with a girl that I feel ok about occasionally opting for a BBBJCIM alternative, knowing that an acceptable BBFSCIP can be the fall back option if she is really bad at it.

If I'm going to get the last second dreaded paralysis, head turn or pull away at the finish of a falsely advertised BBBJCIM and it turns out to be a handjob finish instead, perhaps even a really poorly finished hand job or, worse, me taking it in hand myself in a panic just to avoid the pain of a midway halted ejaculation, I'd just as soon abort the whole mission, give her taxi fare and send her on her way.

I'm at a stage in my life where I can't be wasting bullets left and right on handjobs or masturbation. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RacShack;2736783]Hi bud,

Where at any point in that or any other video dose he show any at all customers? I'm with you if he did, but at no point I've seen him do so, and find his videos very helpful and good information![/QUOTE]Yeah, you're probably right, doesn't see like EP to be so careless.

What ever happened to Bangkok112 who was the OG of on the ground video of the type that captured many a man in the act? I miss the quality he brought to the genre.

I think my issue is that I feel like closed door places like GCs on Bongkot and Soi Boomerang, etc should remain in the dark realm of the imagination, illicit, underground and shrouded in mystery. You take a go-pro in there, working hours or not, it makes something I associate with altered states and sexual oblivion into more of a Starbucks. It just doesn't feel right and cheapens the vibe. Furthermore, as selfish as this may be- I don't want more customers in there. I want the girls hungry and I want to be the only dude on site.

Still, EP remains one of the better, if not best guys producing on the ground content. Buzzin Pattaya is worthless, NDTvi is meh, Mr Egg is meh, Edward Sweeney is a likeable bloke but not really on the ground, Thailand Bound is repetitive and boring at this point.

I like EP because he shows a good look of the places around the bars he is reviewing. Watching his videos for a few months so far has given me a pretty good idea of where everything is and how far from my hotel they are all.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2736734]He means go to the Thai bars in Bangkok, not the gogos.[/QUOTE]No I don't. Talking about the Thai language sideline sites.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2736860]Yeah, you're probably right, doesn't see like EP to be so careless.

What ever happened to Bangkok112 who was the OG of on the ground video of the type that captured many a man in the act? I miss the quality he brought to the genre.

I think my issue is that I feel like closed door places like GCs on Bongkot and Soi Boomerang, etc should remain in the dark realm of the imagination, illicit, underground and shrouded in mystery. You take a go-pro in there, working hours or not, it makes something I associate with altered states and sexual oblivion into more of a Starbucks. It just doesn't feel right and cheapens the vibe. Furthermore, as selfish as this may be- I don't want more customers in there. I want the girls hungry and I want to be the only dude on site.

Still, EP remains one of the better, if not best guys producing on the ground content. Buzzin Pattaya is worthless, NDTvi is meh, Mr Egg is meh, Edward Sweeney is a likeable bloke but not really on the ground, Thailand Bound is repetitive and boring at this point.[/QUOTE]Yes definitely touchy situation I feel ya, especially the part we're we want whole place to are Selfs, LOL these clubs will be all new to me this trip, will definitely try a couple, I finally booked for September 4 can't wait, what's the blow job bar street in Pattaya name? Banana boy hooked me up with a few years ago and really enjoyed them for daytime fun! I never knew they existed until he filled me in! Their was like 4-5 bars in a row on same street.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2736719]I was just at one of the Soi Bongkot bars today and was talking to the bartender / mamasan about this and she said she wouldn't allow any videos at her place. I specifically told her there's a YT channel and he's planning to go inside all the bars there and she reiterated that she won't allow it.[/QUOTE]I've never had any issues taking videos or photos in any beer bar including Soi 6. For videos in a gogo bar I have a ton for my personal file. Key is to just let one of your regular girls hold your phone and they will take it for you. Video is usually with her friends in the bar so choose wisely which girl has the best looking friends. I've never attempted to take videos in a G Club but again if you want a video just hand your phone to one of your regular girls. I don't post on YouTube and the girls know if you do cause they watch YouTube and TikTok all day long. Some are happy they are on YouTube it makes them feel like they're on TV!

Club Sin. I've had some really good times there. Anyone know the current pricing for the Soi Full Love Inn bars?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2736928]I've never had any issues taking videos or photos in any beer bar including Soi 6. For videos in a gogo bar I have a ton for my personal file. Key is to just let one of your regular girls hold your phone and they will take it for you. Video is usually with her friends in the bar so choose wisely which girl has the best looking friends. I've never attempted to take videos in a G Club but again if you want a video just hand your phone to one of your regular girls. I don't post on YouTube and the girls know if you do cause they watch YouTube and TikTok all day long. Some are happy they are on YouTube it makes them feel like they're on TV!

Club Sin. I've had some really good times there. Anyone know the current pricing for the Soi Full Love Inn bars?[/QUOTE]Hey buddy, I think the videos of the guy were talking about tells all the current prices and updates! When you going? I'll pm you I have some questions about BJ bars you sent me to a few years ago!

[QUOTE=MaxBkk;2736684]I was at Nana Plaza last night, took a few harmless photos on my camera of the general scenery. Security came up to me and told me to delete photos. As the photos were nothing of importance I deleted them in front of him and had a quick chat with him about what the current policy is.

Last year you could take photos at Nana but apparently now you can't. Hard to keep up with the rules.

Now with everyone having a mobile phone it is very difficult to policy a no photo policy anywhere. Even when I was chatting to security at Nana I could see various other people taking selfies etc within Nana Plaza. So many people were doing it it is very difficult to Police.[/QUOTE]Several months ago I was standing outside of Nana Plaza on the sidewalk, raised my phone above my head just to get a shot of the entrance to send to a USA friend as an example of the crowd levels and activity at the time. The somewhat rough looking but actually gentlrmanly Nana property family member fellow who sometimes sits or stands with the security team at the entrance walked over to me and silently moved my hand down and waved off my effort to take a photo of just the entrance, turned and walked back to the security table.

I have never seen him interact with a farang customer that way before. He could have been more aggressive about it and for sure gotten away with it with his entire security team nearby watching somewhat slack jaw surprised he came to me instead of sending one of them. But I know he has seen me going in and out of Nana Plaza a thousand times over the years and instead just did it all very quickly and generally non confrontational.

I appreciated that. If he had gestured to one or two of his guards to do it he would not know how aggressive they might have gotten just to impress the boss and that is not the way he wanted it to go with me.

[QUOTE=LocalExplorer;2736732]Many of these videos by Everything Pattaya are staged, it's prearranged with the club. Basically, it's an advertisement. The guy even says he couldn't show the rooms, because 7 girls were waiting in the back (didn't want to show their faces). I haven't seen a single customer's face inside a club in any of EP's videos.[/QUOTE]Of course, all of EP's videos regarding GC's and bars are prearranged, he can't just walk in and start filming and asking questions.

The Amsterdam owner he interviewed told me that EP approached him for a video and didn't ask for anything in return which seemed to surprise the owner as it was free advertising for him.

As an aside, I've seen multiple customer's faces at bars / GC's in EP's vids in the past, he would don the blur thing but not a good job of it, although he's gotten better about not showing customers in more recent vids.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2736860] Furthermore, as selfish as this may be- I don't want more customers in there. I want the girls hungry and I want to be the only dude on site.
[/QUOTE]I'll gladly leave them to you. Personally I'm bored to die in there.

I am back from Phuket, and am back to having ladies come to my condo.

Last night, the lady who is eager to try anal sex came over for drinks. I am still working on getting it in, she is very tight back there.

Afterwards, I had a cashier come over after her bar closed. It's morning, and she's still sleeping. I have to get her up in time to make it to work in the early afternoon. Not because I care if she is late to work, it's because her sister is coming to the condo.

Fantastic!

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2737368]I am back from Phuket, and am back to having ladies come to my condo.

Last night, the lady who is eager to try anal sex came over for drinks. I am still working on getting it in, she is very tight back there.

Afterwards, I had a cashier come over after her bar closed. It's morning, and she's still sleeping. I have to get her up in time to make it to work in the early afternoon. Not because I care if she is late to work, it's because her sister is coming to the condo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2736962]Several months ago I was standing outside of Nana Plaza on the sidewalk, raised my phone above my head just to get a shot of the entrance to send to a USA friend as an example of the crowd levels and activity at the time. The somewhat rough looking but actually gentlrmanly Nana property family member fellow who sometimes sits or stands with the security team at the entrance walked over to me and silently moved my hand down and waved off my effort to take a photo of just the entrance, turned and walked back to the security table.

I have never seen him interact with a farang customer that way before. He could have been more aggressive about it and for sure gotten away with it with his entire security team nearby watching somewhat slack jaw surprised he came to me instead of sending one of them. But I know he has seen me going in and out of Nana Plaza a thousand times over the years and instead just did it all very quickly and generally non confrontational.

I appreciated that. If he had gestured to one or two of his guards to do it he would not know how aggressive they might have gotten just to impress the boss and that is not the way he wanted it to go with me.[/QUOTE]If you want to take photos of the Nana scenery, just post up with your phone at the railing of Hooters.

So. There is no Super Rich Exchange at BKK airport as previously reported. Thanks for the exercise. And if there was, the rates would be very similar to the other exchanges. It's a monopoly there and the rates are shitty 34.35 to 1 USD. No 30,000 baht ATM machines either like Krungsi or TMB. It's Kasikorn or bust. Just swapped out enough to get me out of that horrible airport. The Tourist SIMs are expensive, so I waited until I arrived in Pattaya to get one from 7-11. They will not sell you the same SIMs that are much cheaper in plans at the airport, even though it's the same company. Data only unlimited at 20 MBps for 200 baht monthly at 7-11. I bought a virtual Thai number for 99 baht a year, so all I need is data. And by the way, I'm the type that shouldn't be traveling internationally (according to some) because I can't afford to pay 1200-1500 for a private taxi or car to take me to Pattaya. Instead I only paid 350 (2 checked in luggage and 2 carry on) for bus to door step service. You can tell by the pics that it is very low class bus and ghetto. About 25% full. Left at 5:07 pm and arrived at my hotel near WS at 7:10. Saved me 1000 baht by taking the bus for a TF girl instead last night.

BTW there is no more forms to fill out at airport and nobody asks about vaccination status or paperwork at BKK. I even asked the immigration officer if it was okay to do border runs after my tourist visa expires and with extensions. She said no problem. Total time at BKK from landing to luggage was 45 minutes on a weekday late afternoon. 1 down 299 to go.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2738221]So. There is no Super Rich Exchange at BKK airport as previously reported. Thanks for the exercise. And if there was, the rates would be very similar to the other exchanges. It's a monopoly there and the rates are shitty 34.35 to 1 USD. [/QUOTE]According to their website they currently offer 36.37. The good shops are downstairs.

SuperRich Airport Link Suvarnabhumi.

Address.

Airport Link Suvarnabhumi Unit SVB RC02 Rachathewa, Bang Phli, Samut Prakan, 10540.

Working Time.

Open: Daily 5. 30 am - 11.30 pm.

Landmarks.

SuperRich Airport Link Suvarnabhumi be floor Inside Airport link station Near Novotel.

[URL]https://www.superrich1965.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Vector313;2738220]If you want to take photos of the Nana scenery, just post up with your phone at the railing of Hooters.[/QUOTE]Now a days, mobiles have standard 10 x zoom and 48 MP resolution. You can probably see the inside of Nana from your hotel room.

But please do not post videos on line. It can destroy some poor souls life. Lets respect fellow mongers privacy.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2738290]According to their website they currently offer 36.37. The good shops are downstairs.

SuperRich Airport Link Suvarnabhumi.

Address.

Airport Link Suvarnabhumi Unit SVB RC02 Rachathewa, Bang Phli, Samut Prakan, 10540.

Working Time.

Open: Daily 5. 30 am - 11.30 pm.

Landmarks.

SuperRich Airport Link Suvarnabhumi be floor Inside Airport link station Near Novotel.

[URL]https://www.superrich1965.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]If you go to their website, there is a drop down menu for all their locations. There isn't one for Suvarnabhumi airport. I went as far as the airport link ticketing. There is that small purple booth across from 7-11. Never saw a Super Rich.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2738290]According to their website they currently offer 36.37. The good shops are downstairs.

SuperRich Airport Link Suvarnabhumi.

Address.

Airport Link Suvarnabhumi Unit SVB RC02 Rachathewa, Bang Phli, Samut Prakan, 10540.

Working Time.

Open: Daily 5. 30 am - 11.30 pm.

Landmarks.

SuperRich Airport Link Suvarnabhumi be floor Inside Airport link station Near Novotel.

[URL]https://www.superrich1965.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]They apparently have been closed for awhile now at BKK airport. Unless they went invisible when I checked a couple of days ago. Facebook page deleted. People need to really double check or be on the ground (currently) when they post information.

[URL]https://aseannow.com/topic/1249304-super-rich-suvarnabhumi-airport/[/URL]

There are two Super Rich money exchange operations in Bangkok:

SuperRich1965 (Orange) [URL]https://www.superrich1965.com/home.php?language=en[/URL].

SuperRichThailand (Green) [URL]https://www.superrichthailand.com/[/URL]#en.

For those who need extra hand holding: [URL]https://thaiest.com/blog/super-rich-suvarnabhumi-airport-exchange-rates[/URL].

And for those who enjoy talking nonsense and disinformation: please find another forum to troll.

SL.

Not sure why people just can't say that they were wrong, apologize, and move on. Instead, want to point at other locations in Bangkok. My original post was about BKK airport and upon self verification 2 days ago at BKK airport, there is NO Super Rich next to the airport link. It's a waste of time to send people down to the basement only to be disappointed. What good are the other locations in Bangkok for those like me headed to Pattaya from the BKK airport just like my original post? Perhaps, we should take spend money on taxi to drive us around town to get a better rate and then head down to Pattaya afterwards. Excellent way tp save some money on the exchange. Like I said and the link that I previous posted about the discussion to Super Rich BKK airport has been closed, since at least January 2022. Even the Super Rich website doesn't list an BKK Airport location from their drop down menu of all their locations.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2734235]SuperRich is the best option at the airport for sure. They are certainly not open 24 hours a day though, so depending on the time you are transiting BKK that can be problematic.

Anyone in the lower Suk area should check out Vasu Exchange: [URL]http://www.vasuexchange.com/[/URL].

SL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RacShack;2736924]Yes definitely touchy situation I feel ya, especially the part we're we want whole place to are Selfs, LOL these clubs will be all new to me this trip, will definitely try a couple, I finally booked for September 4 can't wait, what's the blow job bar street in Pattaya name? Banana boy hooked me up with a few years ago and really enjoyed them for daytime fun! I never knew they existed until he filled me in! Their was like 4-5 bars in a row on same street.[/QUOTE]If I remember correctly it was Soi 6, off Beach Road.

Quick notes on Soi LK Metro go go bars (as I have to run):

Crystal Bar is having a BBQ tonight at 7:30 to celebrate the mamasan's birthday.

Lady Love bar has some pretty dancers (even some with great natural tits). The music is not too deafening.

BFs are 1500 before midnight, 1000 after. 800 for short time. I think the girls want 3000ST, 6000 LT (ouch).

Draft beer 80 B, lady's drink 170.

I paid 550 BF from a beer bar on LK Metro (after midnight) and 3000 LT for the girl (very attractive).

Tonight I'll check out Kink agogo.

Staying at Areca Lodge, so very handy.

I understand there are four gentleman's clubs next door to each other. When is the best time to visit these clubs?

Now why would we apologize for trying to help you. A little more positive attitude might help you succeed in moneychanging and in life in general.

I was last in Suvarnbhumi in May and since I came prepared with sufficient amount of Bahts there was no need to doublecheck, but it's a long standing tradition that all shops on top floors are ripoffs and the downstairs shops are OK.

But since you're going Patts I don't see what's the big issue here. Just exhange enough cash at the crappy rate to take you to Pattaya and change the rest there.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2738432]Not sure why people just can't say that they were wrong, apologize, and move on. Instead, want to point at other locations in Bangkok. My original post was about BKK airport and upon self verification 2 days ago at BKK airport, there is NO Super Rich next to the airport link. It's a waste of time to send people down to the basement only to be disappointed. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PuteNut;2738584]Now why would we apologize for trying to help you. A little more positive attitude might help you succeed in moneychanging and in life in general.

I was last in Suvarnbhumi in May and since I came prepared with sufficient amount of Bahts there was no need to doublecheck, but it's a long standing tradition that all shops on top floors are ripoffs and the downstairs shops are OK.

But since you're going Patts I don't see what's the big issue here. Just exhange enough cash at the crappy rate to take you to Pattaya and change the rest there.[/QUOTE]Not to mention that that type of attitude will eat a newbie alive in Pattaya and Thailand in general.

You need a sabai sabai attitude here, not a pessimistic, pissed off over minor things one. As a Farang, you're a walking dollar sign to Thais and with that being the case you will get annoyed plenty a times here and need to learn to brush it off. Just wait until the first time this guy gets bad customer service or bait and switch from a girl (which will happen), guessing he's going to lose it.

[QUOTE=Allover;2738562]I understand there are four gentleman's clubs next door to each other. When is the best time to visit these clubs?[/QUOTE]Afternoon.

As is typical for a Gentlemens club, the ladies at Maggie Mays on Soi Chaiyapoon are often naked in the club. There isn't a lot of coming and going through the front door, which is often locked, so there is lots of eye candy.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2738662]Afternoon.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response. The Soi Boomerang clubs don't get going until early evening.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2738723]As is typical for a Gentlemens club, the ladies at Maggie Mays on Soi Chaiyapoon are often naked in the club. There isn't a lot of coming and going through the front door, which is often locked, so there is lots of eye candy.[/QUOTE]Hard for me to believe Eye Candy being Nekkid their whole shift.

Please can someone confirm or de-confirm.

I arrived yesterday and was very jet lagged so didn't do much.

Staying at View Talay 6 through Cando agency and very impressed, room was only around 900 baht a night with no view, only view I want is off hot naked girls. The room is as nice as a one I stayed in years ago through Dancewatchers but a lot cheaper. They do daily cleaning included in the price too and a couple bottles of water.

Went to Soi 6 and there was a few cute girls but nothing than made me want to overcome my jet lag and fuck them. Checked out the Tree Town area and Soi Pothole and the change from five years ago is amazing.

I seen a couple of really nice girls sitting in that cocktail van bar but they had no non alcoholic drinks whatsoever and I don't drink so I didn't stop there.

Checked out High Roller and wasn't impressed tbh, if that's the women high rollers get, I'm happy being in the middle of that and a cheap Charlie.

In the end I ended up taking a girl from Thai Friendly for a short time due to convenience and had a decent short time for 100 baht.

Going to try to go to the Walking Street clubs tonight but need some wingmen. Met a member off here yesterday and he's really cool but he's here for a long time so probably not going to be out every night.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2738906]

Going to try to go to the Walking Street clubs tonight but need some wingmen. Met a member off here yesterday and he's really cool but he's here for a long time so probably not going to be out every night.[/QUOTE]That's what we call the "Monkeypaw Effect". He is the one of coolest of the cools.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2738877]Hard for me to believe Eye Candy being Nekkid their whole shift.

Please can someone confirm or de-confirm.[/QUOTE]Not naked the whole shift, only naked if the customer is buying drinks.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2738906]I arrived yesterday and was very jet lagged so didn't do much.

Staying at View Talay 6 through Cando agency and very impressed, room was only around 900 baht a night with no view, only view I want is off hot naked girls. The room is as nice as a one I stayed in years ago through Dancewatchers but a lot cheaper. They do daily cleaning included in the price too and a couple bottles of water.

Went to Soi 6 and there was a few cute girls but nothing than made me want to overcome my jet lag and fuck them. Checked out the Tree Town area and Soi Pothole and the change from five years ago is amazing.

I seen a couple of really nice girls sitting in that cocktail van bar but they had no non alcoholic drinks whatsoever and I don't drink so I didn't stop there.

Checked out High Roller and wasn't impressed tbh, if that's the women high rollers get, I'm happy being in the middle of that and a cheap Charlie.

In the end I ended up taking a girl from Thai Friendly for a short time due to convenience and had a decent short time for 100 baht..[/QUOTE]100 Baht for ST is an absolute steal LOL.

Greetings fellow mongers,

I have been checking out this section for years and very thankful to all contributors.

I will be travelling to Pattaya in second half of this month. (This will be my 4th trip).

I have a strange question.

I have noticed many Thai girls have braces. (fashion).

Have anyone tried a girl with braces, were you comfortable?

Doesn't these hurt while BJ and other activities?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2739081]100 Baht for ST is an absolute steal LOL.[/QUOTE]Has to be Typo. Now if he regularly gets 100 baht. Then we have to ask what he getting.

[QUOTE=Badabacha;2739197]Greetings fellow mongers,

I have been checking out this section for years and very thankful to all contributors.

I will be travelling to Pattaya in second half of this month. (This will be my 4th trip).

I have a strange question.

I have noticed many Thai girls have braces. (fashion).

Have anyone tried a girl with braces, were you comfortable?

Doesn't these hurt while BJ and other activities?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say this is specific to Thai girls, but if they are skilled with their mouth, you won't notice a thing. I had a sugar baby a little bit ago stateside who had braces, but they were so incredibly skilled with their mouth that it wasn't ever an issue.

I'd be most concerned about dental hygiene. When I was in school I had braces, and it was a PITA to do a through flossing on them, and need to brush after every meal else you have food stuck.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2739081]100 Baht for ST is an absolute steal LOL.[/QUOTE]Haha I wish it was that cheap. Meant 1000.

[QUOTE=Badabacha;2739197]Have anyone tried a girl with braces, were you comfortable? Doesn't these hurt while BJ and other activities?.[/QUOTE]Who would be rubbing your dick on the front or sides of their teeth with or without braces?

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2739332]I wouldn't say this is specific to Thai girls, but if they are skilled with their mouth, you won't notice a thing. I had a sugar baby a little bit ago stateside who had braces, but they were so incredibly skilled with their mouth that it wasn't ever an issue.

I'd be most concerned about dental hygiene. When I was in school I had braces, and it was a PITA to do a through flossing on them, and need to brush after every meal else you have food stuck.[/QUOTE]Lots (not all) of Thai and Filipina girls wear braces and eyeglasses as a fashion accessory. Part of the culture I guess. I would be more concerned with bubble gum. My buddy had a hell of a time getting gum out of his pubes (LOL).

[QUOTE=Mahaba;2739362]Lots (not all) of Thai and Filipina girls wear braces and eyeglasses as a fashion accessory. Part of the culture I guess. I would be more concerned with bubble gum. My buddy had a hell of a time getting gum out of his pubes (LOL).[/QUOTE]That is interesting. Glasses I could understand, but braces? Yea they can make a girl look young, but if they are wearing braces when they don't need to, couldn't that mess up their teeth in the long run?

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2739389]That is interesting. Glasses I could understand, but braces? Yea they can make a girl look young, but if they are wearing braces when they don't need to, couldn't that mess up their teeth in the long run?[/QUOTE]I don't think they have a clue. Like the majority of the global young generation, most don't know what planet they live on, much less the risk of poor dental hygene.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2739389]That is interesting. Glasses I could understand, but braces? Yea they can make a girl look young, but if they are wearing braces when they don't need to, couldn't that mess up their teeth in the long run?[/QUOTE]What some of you old out of touch crabs don't understand or not aware of, is some of the girls wear fake glasses and braces as a fashion.

They are harmless.

I spent the night in Ban Chang.

It's not completely dead, maybe 20 bars, each with 3 or 4 ladies. Some hot ladies accidentally work there.

I went to the Blue Ice bar, where I bought drinks for a couple of busty ladies. We ended up on a sofa in the back, where they exhibited their wares, in an attempt to get me to barfine one or both of them.

I left at 10.30 pm, and most of the bars were closed, I guess it's an afternoon place.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2739403]Is Pattaya worth 3 or 4 ,days.

Just for avg person.

Answer Yes or No. Since everything not white or black, explaining explanations is OK.

I Vote NO.[/QUOTE]Guessing a LB ran off with your wallet.

It's the greatest city on earth. I vote YES.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2739401]What some of you old out of touch crabs don't understand or not aware of, is some of the girls wear fake glasses and braces as a fashion.

They are harmless.[/QUOTE]My very very expert thoughts.

For fashion accessories to work in pulling customers you have to be somewhat attractive in the First place.

If you are a 4 or 5 I doubt Braces, fake, will take you to the Promised land of non stop barfines.

Same with Sillycobes. Really doesn't improve a girls number of barfines if unappealing from the git go.

Pretty Girls can wear a 100 baht white t shirt and look gorgeously gorgeous. A 4 can wear a $10,000 Versaci gown and still look like a 4.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2739389]That is interesting. Glasses I could understand, but braces? Yea they can make a girl look young, but if they are wearing braces when they don't need to, couldn't that mess up their teeth in the long run?[/QUOTE]Most of the braces you see on the P4 P ladies are for cosmetic purposes only. They are meant to give off a young girl vibe. Think school girl cosplay and the Lolita effect.

Much like tattoos and bolt on boobs: some punters dig the look, some don't.

SL.

Day and Night area near Villa Market and Tukcom. Stopped in 5 laundry shops in that area and they all wanted to charge by the piece, not kilo. 10 baht for socks, really? Guess because the socks included ironing.

I am leaving Thailand after 6 September, and so given the large number of desperate ladies, I will be doing 3 a day tomorrow and the next day, just to make a dent in the demand. I will alternate ladies who just want a quickie with those who need more time. Or for special situations like tonight, 2 ladies who like playing with each other after some tequila.

On day 7, I go to Singapore with a Thai lady for a cruise.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2739493]Most of the braces you see on the P4 P ladies are for cosmetic purposes only. They are meant to give off a young girl vibe. Think school girl cosplay and the Lolita effect.

Much like tattoos and bolt on boobs: some punters dig the look, some don't.

SL.[/QUOTE]Yeah I think the Japanese like that look but they are generally into weird stuff.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2739403]Is Pattaya worth 3 or 4 ,days. Just for avg person. [/QUOTE]If you mean is Pattaya worth a 3 to 4 day visit for non-mongers? The answer is a resounding of course not. Pattaya is a tropical resort dump with polluted a beach and overpopulated with cheap hotels, hookers and mongers of all stripes. It is the sex capital of the friggin' world. That is why WE love it, but it has no other redeeming features unlike Phuket which has some nice beaches that can justify a non-monger visit. Oh ok, it is close to BKK for easy access. That is its other redeeming feature.

Been raining cats and dogs nightly. So was able to land a rainy day discount with a TF girl. Not the prettiest or best looker. Maybe 2000 was a bit much overpaying considering this is Pattaya. She started negotiations at 2500. It was dry when she arrived and starting pouring down during the session. Was able to get my 2000 worth stretching her out for 90 or so minutes because of downpour. Cooked her a nice packaged ramen dinner as a tip.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2739556]If you mean is Pattaya worth a 3 to 4 day visit for non-mongers? The answer is a resounding of course not. Pattaya is a tropical resort dump with polluted a beach and overpopulated with cheap hotels, hookers and mongers of all stripes. It is the sex capital of the friggin' world. That is why WE love it, but it has no other redeeming features unlike Phuket which has some nice beaches that can justify a non-monger visit. Oh ok, it is close to BKK for easy access. That is its other redeeming feature.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say that is the case judging by the vast amount of families you see vacationing here. There's tons of family type attractions throughout the greater Pattaya area. Mongers don't know about them because we aren't here for that.

If I had a wife / kids I certainly wouldn't bring them to Pattaya, but that's just me.

Very nice rainy day find.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2739739]Been raining cats and dogs nightly. So was able to land a rainy day discount with a TF girl. Not the prettiest or best looker. Maybe 2000 was a bit much overpaying considering this is Pattaya. She started negotiations at 2500. It was dry when she arrived and starting pouring down during the session. Was able to get my 2000 worth stretching her out for 90 or so minutes because of downpour. Cooked her a nice packaged ramen dinner as a tip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2739403]Is Pattaya worth 3 or 4 ,days.
Just for avg person.
Answer Yes or No. Since everything not white or black, explaining explanations is OK.
I Vote NO.[/QUOTE]I vote NO too. It's worth many more days than only 3 or 4.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2739739]Been raining cats and dogs nightly. So was able to land a rainy day discount with a TF girl. Not the prettiest or best looker. Maybe 2000 was a bit much overpaying considering this is Pattaya. She started negotiations at 2500. It was dry when she arrived and starting pouring down during the session. Was able to get my 2000 worth stretching her out for 90 or so minutes because of downpour. Cooked her a nice packaged ramen dinner as a tip.[/QUOTE]She's really sexy! I love her a lot! Can you give me her Line or WhatsApp? Does she accept BBFS?

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2739739]Been raining cats and dogs nightly. So was able to land a rainy day discount with a TF girl. Not the prettiest or best looker. Maybe 2000 was a bit much overpaying considering this is Pattaya. She started negotiations at 2500. It was dry when she arrived and starting pouring down during the session. Was able to get my 2000 worth stretching her out for 90 or so minutes because of downpour. Cooked her a nice packaged ramen dinner as a tip.[/QUOTE]Cooked her a nice packaged ramen dinner as a tip.

That's the move of a legend.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2739742]I meant for those who go to Pattaya for Boom Boom purposes.

I get it you make your own fun but the venue has to Help.

Take away the Lovely Indians and WOW. Absolutely absolute a Ghost Town.[/QUOTE]Well, I hate Pattaya. Pattaya is just for me a sex city! There is nothing nice or beautiful in Pattaya. The city is totally destroyed, not beautiful at all, the beach is dirty, need to go Ko Larn to swim and relax, the roads are broken and now it's full of Indians and lot of arabics come now!

But I still go there each time I go Thailand for 4 days just for fuck ladies. Even now it s very difficult to find sexy ladies! But what I can admit is the cheap hotels, cheap food in restaurants and cheap sex even with sexy ladies and they all accept BBFS.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2739742]I meant for those who go to Pattaya for Boom Boom purposes.

I get it you make your own fun but the venue has to Help.

Take away the Lovely Indians and WOW. Absolutely absolute a Ghost Town.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mogwai;2739784]I vote NO too. It's worth many more days than only 3 or 4.[/QUOTE]Wow, I am amazed by your responses. I thought Pattaya was back up and running sans a lot of NE Asian guys which is not a bad thing as long as there are plenty of quality girls in the bars and Go Go's. In fact, the less dicks the better is my motto. 555. But I will defer to you guys and your boots on the ground observational opinions unless other BM's begin to contradict you. Me, I am heading back to Sao Paulo in October for the 4th time since April 2021. Plenty of amazing girls, no Covid BS (masks, temperature samples, ect.) and great steaks, Italian food, and Sushi. I miss LOS, but I am having a great time down south and shagging a whole lot of smokin' hot girls.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2739825]She's really sexy! I love her a lot! Can you give me her Line or WhatsApp? Does she accept BBFS?[/QUOTE]If you don't get a reply, check TF. I think I saw her profile few days back.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2739739]Been raining cats and dogs nightly. So was able to land a rainy day discount with a TF girl. Not the prettiest or best looker. Maybe 2000 was a bit much overpaying considering this is Pattaya. She started negotiations at 2500. It was dry when she arrived and starting pouring down during the session. Was able to get my 2000 worth stretching her out for 90 or so minutes because of downpour. Cooked her a nice packaged ramen dinner as a tip.[/QUOTE]I like her. How was the experience?

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2739739]Been raining cats and dogs nightly. So was able to land a rainy day discount with a TF girl. Not the prettiest or best looker. Maybe 2000 was a bit much overpaying considering this is Pattaya. She started negotiations at 2500. It was dry when she arrived and starting pouring down during the session. Was able to get my 2000 worth stretching her out for 90 or so minutes because of downpour. Cooked her a nice packaged ramen dinner as a tip.[/QUOTE]She's my type. How does she look in reality compared to the pics? How is her performance? PSE or GFE?

Would any unvaccunated Americans advise of any issues gaining entry in to Thailand regarding the 48 hour pre-flight antigen test? Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2739739]was able to land a rainy day discount with a TF girl. Not the prettiest or best looker. Maybe 2000 was a bit much overpaying considering this is Pattaya. She started negotiations at 2500.[/QUOTE]Have to disagree on one point. I think she's pretty and this is the quality of the girls I go for. She looks like my Viper Bar girl from 2015 who I have posted photos of. Well done. On the list.


[QUOTE=Wayne Roberts;273960] Soi Chaiyapoon is a wasteland, I'm sure you might find the odd gem but the talent at the bars is better.[/QUOTE]

From 2015 to 2020 I found maybe 3 gems and that's from easily over 1000 walks through Soi Pothole. Only 1 of those was a girl so good guys I showed her to all said she should be working in a gogo! I actually had more luck finding supreme gems in Soi Lengkee bars and no one ever talks about those bars! Cute and young naive girls before they figure out there's more money to be made in other areas of Pattaya. Unfortunately, I'm guessing most of those bars didn't survive COVID.

On the topic of closed bars, is the bar complex on Soi 3 that had Dee Dee Bar, Cindy Bar, New Star Bar etc shut down permanently? Another place no one ever talked about and there were some true gems there for 1000 baht ST.

[QUOTE=JasonSilva;2739950]If you don't get a reply, check TF. I think I saw her profile few days back.[/QUOTE]Well I'm not on TF. Can you give me her profile? Or Line? Whatsapp?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2739985]I actually had more luck finding supreme gems in Soi Lengkee bars and no one ever talks about those bars! Unfortunately, I'm guessing most of those bars didn't survive COVID.[/QUOTE]Nope. They are still there. I always ride by and fuck with the chicks in passing.

Word on the ground is that Simon 2 on Walking Street is reopening in October. It will be called Frog Land, will have a DJ, band and restaurant, as well as about 8 bars.

Another evening in Maggie Mays. As usual, most of the ladies were walking around naked, even the cashiers.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2739756]I wouldn't say that is the case judging by the vast amount of families you see vacationing here. There's tons of family type attractions throughout the greater Pattaya area. Mongers don't know about them because we aren't here for that.

If I had a wife / kids I certainly wouldn't bring them to Pattaya, but that's just me.[/QUOTE]I think in Central there's a play area for kids on one of the Restaurant floors.

Maybe I should get out more. Not for a second did I think Pattaya catered to Families.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2739985]

On the topic of closed bars, is the bar complex on Soi 3 that had Dee Dee Bar, Cindy Bar, New Star Bar etc shut down permanently? Another place no one ever talked about and there were some true gems there for 1000 baht ST.[/QUOTE]Back in the day, I would go to Banshee Bar, also in that complex. No idea if the bars there are open again.

Everything Pattaya has update on Amsterdam gentleman club.

The place where everyone agreed had a Top Quality girl at bargain prices.

YouTube him up. Keyword New Outfits, Stork Sportswear.

That girl is still there. Looks like her Chest got up-sized.

Some posters say they been there but no details. Fake?

Vid is about outfits so Chill guys.

No mention of Naked Cashier's or Naked Maids.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2739739]Been raining cats and dogs nightly. So was able to land a rainy day discount with a TF girl. Not the prettiest or best looker. Maybe 2000 was a bit much overpaying considering this is Pattaya. She started negotiations at 2500. It was dry when she arrived and starting pouring down during the session. Was able to get my 2000 worth stretching her out for 90 or so minutes because of downpour. Cooked her a nice packaged ramen dinner as a tip.[/QUOTE]If I am right this girl goes by title YAMM then some numbers on TF.

Kindly write a detailed FR which will help many of us (including her getting more fans).

Buzzin Pattaya did a review on Cosey Beach Club.

Showed what looked like about 10 real staff. Girls only Mr E would go for.

On the scale of Desireability- not too good. About what one would expect on a place marketed as lower end establishment.

Soi 6 and gentlemens club girl quality-. Same same.

Well, I screwed up.

I scheduled 3 ladies to come to my condo, expecting that I would only fuck 1 of the 3. But lady #1 demanded a fuck, now lady #2 is coming, and she will fuck me for sure. Which means that if lady #3 is planning sex, I will probably die trying.

Actually, my plan is to barfine a lady for my "date" tonight, and fuck the barfine while lady #3 plays with her tits. But, this is Pattaya, where plans go to die.

After doing identical twins for four years, now I am doing 2 sisters, but not twins. Still, they have many similarities.

It's hard for the occassional visitor to grasp how valuable a long time customer is to a bargirl. I was a customer for these two sisters 5 years ago, and so they are very excited to have me as a customer again.

One factor is that first time customers often make promises to bargirls, but never come again.

Crapola.

My 16.00 lady showed up with a friend, some gogo dancer. After an hour of drinking tequila, they were drunk as skunks and got naked. I reluctantly agreed to fuck them, knowing that I have to deal with more ladies tonight. So, without much delay, they double teamed me, switching off from the pole position to riding my mouth.

Since I have to meet someone soon, I came just to get out of that situation, and now I am off to the bars, to meet my third set of ladies today.

Meanwhile, the two sisters I have been doing are both pressing me to be their boyfriend, I hope their husbands don't mind.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2740037]Word on the ground is that Simon 2 on Walking Street is reopening in October. It will be called Frog Land, will have a DJ, band and restaurant, as well as about 8 bars.[/QUOTE]I would have preferred if it were Simon Complex 1 near Terminal 21 that reopened. At least that place was fun with girls hopping over the bar to play pool and sit with you. At Simon 2 they all stay on the other side of the bar like other bar beer complexes. I still don't really understand this concept but get suckered into buying a LD for a girl if she is hot enough. Other issue with Simon 2 is that it's competing with much more interactive gogo bars nearby. When was the last time someone got extended DFK or groped a topless girl in a bar beer complex?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2740268]I would have preferred if it were Simon Complex 1 near Terminal 21 that reopened. At least that place was fun with girls hopping over the bar to play pool and sit with you. At Simon 2 they all stay on the other side of the bar like other bar beer complexes. I still don't really understand this concept but get suckered into buying a LD for a girl if she is hot enough. Other issue with Simon 2 is that it's competing with much more interactive gogo bars nearby. When was the last time someone got extended DFK or groped a topless girl in a bar beer complex?[/QUOTE]Wasn't the one near Terminal 21 called Drinking Street? Or maybe that's just a nickname. I remember there used to be a bar opposite on 2nd Road called Lisa Bar where I bar-fined one of the prettiest girls I've ever seen in Pattaya. Back in the room she got undressed and pulled out a huge wad of notes from her bra, like she was in the mafia.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2740271]Wasn't the one near Terminal 21 called Drinking Street? Or maybe that's just a nickname. I remember there used to be a bar opposite on 2nd Road called Lisa Bar where I bar-fined one of the prettiest girls I've ever seen in Pattaya. Back in the room she got undressed and pulled out a huge wad of notes from her bra, like she was in the mafia.[/QUOTE]Yeah it was Drinking Street, I walked past there today and the signs still up.

Another newbie mistake. I've already taken the 350 baht bus ride from BKK to my hotel in Pattaya as mistake number 1. Should of gotten a taxi or private car instead of being low class. Then I started eating at the local market near from my room. Noodles, grilled fish, banana smoothie and some coconut dessert with rice balls, all for about 115 baht. Guess, I should have gone to the mall like everyone suggests.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2740321]Another newbie mistake. I've already taken the 350 baht bus ride from BKK to my hotel in Pattaya as mistake number 1. Should of gotten a taxi or private car instead of being low class. Then I started eating at the local market near from my room. Noodles, grilled fish, banana smoothie and some coconut dessert with rice balls, all for about 115 baht. Guess, I should have gone to the mall like everyone suggests.[/QUOTE]You got a tummy ache?

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2738877]Hard for me to believe Eye Candy being Nekkid their whole shift.

Please can someone confirm or de-confirm.[/QUOTE]Been there two nights in a row {and not for a touch & go (pardon the pun), have seen none of that, believe me. It's just marketing BS.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2740424]You got a tummy ache?[/QUOTE]By what he was eating, probably also a Thai would.

Farang stomachs are not all suited to many Thai ingredients, so better eat with care, testing one dish at a time. I.

Stay away from coconut milk, for instance. As well as I set aside quite some vegetables in some dishes, to avoid possible inconveniences. So I still eat Thai but in a reasonable and possibly wise way.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2740271]Wasn't the one near Terminal 21 called Drinking Street? Or maybe that's just a nickname. I remember there used to be a bar opposite on 2nd Road called Lisa Bar where I bar-fined one of the prettiest girls I've ever seen in Pattaya. [/QUOTE]Yes Simon Complex 1 is also called Drinking Street.

Lisa Coyote bar definitely had some lookers especially around 2016 and 2017. Imo could have competed with any gogo bar back then. All the girls who worked there were so friendly even the ones I never bought drinks for. Bar had gogo bar pricing so this was a big issue for many even though the girls were pretty. Other issue was it was an outdoor bar right on a very busy part of 2nd Road. Made DFK and getting them topless much more difficult. Why I mainly went to hang out in the back playing pool. If they lost they would DFK me or give me a lap dance. Used to offer girls money to beat me so there was a lineup to DFK me. Happy to say some of them were pretty good competition. Much cheaper than buying LD's!

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2740473]Been there two nights in a row {and not for a touch & go (pardon the pun), have seen none of that, believe me. It's just marketing BS.[/QUOTE]

LMAO. I'm going to go to the 2 shilled bars on this trip too and report back. Guess that free marketing does work cause it gets us to go once.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2740482]Yes Simon Complex 1 is also called Drinking Street.

Lisa Coyote bar definitely had some lookers especially around 2016 and 2017. Imo could have competed with any gogo bar back then. All the girls who worked there were so friendly even the ones I never bought drinks for. Bar had gogo bar pricing so this was a big issue for many even though the girls were pretty. Other issue was it was an outdoor bar right on a very busy part of 2nd Road. Made DFK and getting them topless much more difficult. Why I mainly went to hang out in the back playing pool. If they lost they would DFK me or give me a lap dance. Used to offer girls money to beat me so there was a lineup to DFK me. Happy to say some of them were pretty good competition. Much cheaper than buying LD's!



LMAO. I'm going to go to the 2 shilled bars on this trip too and report back. Guess that free marketing does work cause it gets us to go once.[/QUOTE]I mean, the place is ok, you get your share of fun as in many other "gentleman clubs" with closed doors, nothing over the top. A few good looking girls, a few MILF or looking like, some semi starfish are there too and the occasional over-mao girl.

One curtained area in the back gives space to a bit more action, even when not curtained. It's in a corner in the back and that already grants a bit of privacy. Increase the level of LD and that makes the trick. Contrary to a theatre play, curtains down might mark the start of the play, LOL.

A single seater couch with an ottoman has curtains too. Saves the hassles for many to climb stairs for a plumbing release (we are aged, BTW, so staying in ground floor saves some energy too.

What happens behind those curtains is not hard to imagine.

Again, this is Thailand, nothing's for free, and even a private view of topless outfit and fondling has its price (as in talking about girls going around naked as in somebody's wet dreams.). Lurkers will leave empty handed, unless watching a DFK is enough for them.

Looks like a clique of aficionados patronise the space regularly (a single unit, so not over wide). Much to the happiness of the manager, of course.

"We are in it only for the money" (cfr. Frank Zappa), nothing wrong with it, of course, let's be clear.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2740482]Yes Simon Complex 1 is also called Drinking Street.

Lisa Coyote bar definitely had some lookers especially around 2016 and 2017. Imo could have competed with any gogo bar back then.

LMAO. I'm going to go to the 2 shilled bars on this trip too and report back. Guess that free marketing does work cause it gets us to go once.[/QUOTE]Now you make me curious about this Simon complex 1. Purely for the purpose of topography, let's be clear, LMAO. No clue about it.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2740495]and the occasional over-mao girl.[/QUOTE]What is "over-mao"? I know mao in Thai means sick but never heard this phrase before.

Most probably highly toxic with loads of tequilas.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2740598]What is "over-mao"? I know mao in Thai means sick but never heard this phrase before.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2740598]What is "over-mao"? I know mao in Thai means sick but never heard this phrase before.[/QUOTE]I thought mao meant drunk but could be wrong.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2740496]Now you make me curious about this Simon complex 1. Purely for the purpose of topography, let's be clear, LMAO. No clue about it.[/QUOTE]If its drinking street it is next to Terminal21. Lot of beerbars but now closed (June / July).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2740598]What is "over-mao"? I know mao in Thai means sick but never heard this phrase before.[/QUOTE]He just means too drunk.

Does anyone have any experience with a health clinic for medical treatment in Pattaya?

I have red eye and want to be prepared in case it gets worse and is conjunctivitis which I had a bad case of and which became a serious situation in Vietnam back in 2019.

Any suggestions help.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2740473]Been there two nights in a row {and not for a touch & go (pardon the pun), have seen none of that, believe me. It's just marketing BS.[/QUOTE]If you went to Maggie Mays, just buy some tequilas and you will see naked ladies. If you go in, buy a beer, and hope some other customers will spring for tequilas, it might be a long night.

I went last night, but left with 2 ladies after a couple of drinks.

Mao means drunk not sick!

Sick is normally " Mai Sabai " or headache.

" boot- hall " sure bad spelling.

Also places like Simon complex isn't just one place that a person working one bar can just overlap to another. It is as it called a complex comprising of many small bars no difference that the one on W. S. Or Action St, upper part of Doing Buakhao.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2740654]He just means too drunk.[/QUOTE]Exactly One can be mildly drunk or too drunk.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2739865]Wow, I am amazed by your responses. I thought Pattaya was back up and running sans a lot of NE Asian guys which is not a bad thing as long as there are plenty of quality girls in the bars and Go Go's. In fact, the less dicks the better is my motto. 555. But I will defer to you guys and your boots on the ground observational opinions unless other BM's begin to contradict you. Me, I am heading back to Sao Paulo in October for the 4th time since April 2021. Plenty of amazing girls, no Covid BS (masks, temperature samples, ect.) and great steaks, Italian food, and Sushi. I miss LOS, but I am having a great time down south and shagging a whole lot of smokin' hot girls.[/QUOTE]There is everything you've ever needed and more in the town. It almost sounds like you are trying to justify your Sao Paulo trip and we should be interested!. Since pre-Covid there are more Gentleman's clubs in Pratumnak, Jomtien, and Soi Boomerang. Plenty more bars on Pot Hole. LK and Soi Buakhao are roughly unchanged and busy. Walking Street not fully opened all the gogos yet, but the ones open are often standing only, but the nightclubs are all open. In fact there are plenty more nightclubs in town now including Buakhao Treetown etc,. More and better beachfront bars and restaurants opened on Cosy Beach and Na Jomtien full of high end Bangkok beauties at the weekends. Massage shops with cracking women everywhere. The only thing that's closed down and for me it's a benefit is the crappy open-air beer bars. There are still loads but I so rarely go anywhere close to one it's no issue. Plus the town has more weed than Amsterdam if that's your bag. Legal weed shops everywhere.

No place better on earth!

Been in Pattaya for a while now and do feel the regular YouTubers are kind of in their own world. To me most of the girls in the gents clubs are really unattractive (although there might be a couple cute ones here and there). I find a lot more to fuck on soi 6 (way more girls). Have been in about 5 gents clubs and never saw the raucous atmosphere so often discussed. Maybe because I got bored very quickly and left after 1 drink. In one of the pothole ones yesterday, there were 5 guys sitting inside without company (and two fresh couples) and a dozen girls outside looking at the empty street to call on guys passing by. What's the point?

In general I don't find that many girls here attractive. Maybe found 5 on TF to message over the week, most didn't even read my message. Elsewhere girls attract me with a smile or other behavior. Things you can't really see on TF. Such as a farm fresh girl on soi 6 that's shy at first, but slowly loosens up. When I walked by the next day she pulled me to the railing and stuck her tongue down my throat. A couple minutes later I was upstairs, inside her, getting my brains fucked out (she looks like she finds waiting on the 6 very boring). Never seen anyone so happy with 100 baht tip. To me these are the things that make Pattaya fun.

In general I must say the sex has been really good. Anyone over 24 is giving good all round performance, the girls have surprised me with how quickly the shyness vanished and DFK for instance improved during the sex. Really only had one dud, but it was kind of obvious she didn't really like me.

The only place with really stand out girls is pin up, but I just don't get very excited by watching them 'dance', so haven't felt any urge to splurge.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2740666]Mao means drunk not sick![/QUOTE]OMG you're right. How quickly I forgot my Thai since I don't get to practice in Japan.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2740475]By what he was eating, probably also a Thai would.

Farang stomachs are not all suited to many Thai ingredients, so better eat with care, testing one dish at a time. I.

Stay away from coconut milk, for instance. As well as I set aside quite some vegetables in some dishes, to avoid possible inconveniences. So I still eat Thai but in a reasonable and possibly wise way.[/QUOTE]When I was in Bangkok in 2015 my then Thai GF took me to an authentic Thai restaurant patronized only by local Thais. We ordered the lowest spicy level. I have never perspired so much; after the meal I was soaked from head to toe as if someone had poured a bucket of water on me. I had no stomach problems afterwards though.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2740662]Does anyone have any experience with a health clinic for medical treatment in Pattaya?

I have red eye and want to be prepared in case it gets worse and is conjunctivitis which I had a bad case of and which became a serious situation in Vietnam back in 2019.[/QUOTE]I would skip the clinic and head down to Bangkok Pattaya Hospital on Sukhumvit to see an eye specialist. It may be 1000 baht versus the 300 baht at the clinic, but you will thank me later.

[QUOTE=Cusland;2740698]There is everything you've ever needed and more in the town. It almost sounds like you are trying to justify your Sao Paulo trip and we should be interested!. Since pre-Covid there are more Gentleman's clubs in Pratumnak, Jomtien, and Soi Boomerang. Plenty more bars on Pot Hole. LK and Soi Buakhao are roughly unchanged and busy. Walking Street not fully opened all the gogos yet, but the ones open are often standing only, but the nightclubs are all open. In fact there are plenty more nightclubs in town now including Buakhao Treetown etc,. More and better beachfront bars and restaurants opened on Cosy Beach and Na Jomtien full of high end Bangkok beauties at the weekends. Massage shops with cracking women everywhere. The only thing that's closed down and for me it's a benefit is the crappy open-air beer bars. There are still loads but I so rarely go anywhere close to one it's no issue. Plus the town has more weed than Amsterdam if that's your bag. Legal weed shops everywhere.

No place better on earth![/QUOTE]Got to push back on this. None of the Pattaya agogos were standing room only. End of August.

Pin up busy. Baccara no where near capcity.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2740666]Mao means drunk not sick!

Sick is normally " Mai Sabai " or headache.

" boot- hall " sure bad spelling.

Also places like Simon complex isn't just one place that a person working one bar can just overlap to another. It is as it called a complex comprising of many small bars no difference that the one on W. S. Or Action St, upper part of Doing Buakhao.[/QUOTE]"Mao" can also mean hungover, or seasick.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2740475]
Stay away from coconut milk, for instance. As well as I set aside quite some vegetables in some dishes, to avoid possible inconveniences. So I still eat Thai but in a reasonable and possibly wise way.[/QUOTE]Coconut milk / cream is one of the healthiest fats you can ingest. Never had a problem in Thailand, the only thing I don't eat are their mobile sushi carts.

[QUOTE=FreeDude;2740735]Have been in about 5 gents clubs and never saw the raucous atmosphere so often discussed. [/QUOTE]Which G clubs did you go to and how were they?

No G clubs in Pattaya have a raucous atmosphere. Who has been saying that and which clubs was he / she referring to?

[QUOTE=Cusland;2740698] Since pre-Covid there are more Gentleman's clubs in Pratumnak, Jomtien, and Soi Boomerang. [/QUOTE]More real G clubs are just bars calling themselves G clubs as was a new trend when COVID started?

[QUOTE=Cusland;2740698] Walking Street not fully opened all the gogos yet, but the ones open are often standing only, [/QUOTE]Which gogo bars are these?

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2740870]
Pin up busy. Baccara no where near capcity.[/QUOTE]Thanks for actually naming bars and how they currently are.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2740818]I would skip the clinic and head down to Bangkok Pattaya Hospital on Sukhumvit to see an eye specialist. It may be 1000 baht versus the 300 baht at the clinic, but you will thank me later.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the intel. I have travel insurance so cost doesn't matter. My eye got better on its own in the last day, at least for now.

[QUOTE=FreeDude;2740735]Been in Pattaya for a while now and do feel the regular YouTubers are kind of in their own world. To me most of the girls in the gents clubs are really unattractive (although there might be a couple cute ones here and there). I find a lot more to fuck on soi 6 (way more girls). Have been in about 5 gents clubs and never saw the raucous atmosphere so often discussed. Maybe because I got bored very quickly and left after 1 drink. In one of the pothole ones yesterday, there were 5 guys sitting inside without company (and two fresh couples) and a dozen girls outside looking at the empty street to call on guys passing by. What's the point?

In general I don't find that many girls here attractive. Maybe found 5 on TF to message over the week, most didn't even read my message. Elsewhere girls attract me with a smile or other behavior. Things you can't really see on TF. Such as a farm fresh girl on soi 6 that's shy at first, but slowly loosens up. When I walked by the next day she pulled me to the railing and stuck her tongue down my throat. A couple minutes later I was upstairs, inside her, getting my brains fucked out (she looks like she finds waiting on the 6 very boring). Never seen anyone so happy with 100 baht tip. To me these are the things that make Pattaya fun.

In general I must say the sex has been really good. Anyone over 24 is giving good all round performance, the girls have surprised me with how quickly the shyness vanished and DFK for instance improved during the sex. Really only had one dud, but it was kind of obvious she didn't really like me. .[/QUOTE]The amount of girls to patrons on Soi 6 is staggering. It must be like a 50 to 1 ratio during the day. Not a ton of quality though and the ones I've found attractive in terms of their face, once upstairs and the clothes come off the body isn't on point (most have baby damage that they are sly about hiding in their outfits when catcalling you as you walk by).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2740957]Which G clubs did you go to and how were they?

No G clubs in Pattaya have a raucous atmosphere. Who has been saying that and which clubs was he / she referring to?

More real G clubs are just bars calling themselves G clubs as was a new trend when COVID started?

Which gogo bars are these?

Thanks for actually naming bars and how they currently are.[/QUOTE]From first hand experience, I can say that Maggie Mays occasionally is raucous.

A Gentlemen's club is a closed bar, which promotes lewd behavior by the ladies. Unlike, say, a Soi 6 bar that is open, and where the lady may have a Thai boyfriend sitting on a moto outside the bar.

Back in the day, there were also gloried BJ bars, like LE Poste on Soi Lenkhee, where you would be in and out in 15 minutes. The ladies were mostly 40+, and the lighting was bad.

A couple of days ago, I had 2 ladies over to my condo, one a freelancer, the other a gogo dancer. They drank about 10 shots of real Tequila and were drunk as skunks. I was planning to go out soon, so I rushed them to the bedroom. I should have spent more time with them, since one of them getting very cozy with the other lady. But, I was in a hurry, and got down to business. They double teamed me, and were switching positions.

The problem was that they were very drunk, and one of them sat on my face and pounded my upper jaw. So, now I am very sore, I feel like I could pull out my upper teeth.

There are some ladies who prefer really hard action on their clit. I have a few in my rotation, and when I remember, I don't lick their pussies, I just fuck them. Otherwise, I could do real damage to my teeth. The problem was that this lady was new to me.

I had a lady come over earlier this, and I knew she had an unshaven pussy, so I bought her a razor and shaving cream. The idea was for her to take it home to get ready for next time. But, she was so horny that she went into the bathroom and shaved right then.

You can imagine what happened next.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2740957]Which G clubs did you go to and how were they?

No G clubs in Pattaya have a raucous atmosphere. Who has been saying that and which clubs was he / she referring to?

More real G clubs are just bars calling themselves G clubs as was a new trend when COVID started.[/QUOTE]I've been to Amsterdam, Maggy May's, Screamers, Heaven Above and Pink Baby and Playgirls. But those last two are quite different in that they have a gogo set up and it is unclear if there are rooms on the premises (both are on soi boomerang though).

What I expected was many naked girls inside, hands on action in public. A little bit what the kino in FKK Oase was a decade ago. That's what I meant with raucous. But they seem to just be closed bars that appeal to older gentlemen.

Personally I like the set up of some of the semi closed bars on the 6 best. Where there is space to just hang outside, but you also can get privacy inside if you want to test the waters with a girl. Baby Cool, Lollipop, O bar seem to have this set up (Ruby as well, but I never see anyone inside).

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2740959]The amount of girls to patrons on Soi 6 is staggering. It must be like a 50 to 1 ratio during the day. Not a ton of quality though and the ones I've found attractive in terms of their face, once upstairs and the clothes come off the body isn't on point (most have baby damage that they are sly about hiding in their outfits when catcalling you as you walk by).[/QUOTE]I am wondering how they are surviving? The girls can't be making more than 6 k baht per month.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2740957]Which G clubs did you go to and how were they?

No G clubs in Pattaya have a raucous atmosphere. Who has been saying that and which clubs was he / she referring to?

More real G clubs are just bars calling themselves G clubs as was a new trend when COVID started?

Which gogo bars are these?

Thanks for actually naming bars and how they currently are.[/QUOTE]Busiest on Walking Street are the ones targeting Asian customers including Palace, Fahrenheit, Pin-Up (Plus a one or two more whose name I forget as I only go when I have customers in town) which are always packed around 10 pm Lady Love, Queen and Kink upstairs on LK targeting Western clients.

For the G-Clubs Heaven above always seems busy, plus Passion in Jomtien. High Rollers has a great crowd but is not a G-Club in my book.

This one's located at Soi 4.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2740662]Does anyone have any experience with a health clinic for medical treatment in Pattaya?

I have red eye and want to be prepared in case it gets worse and is conjunctivitis which I had a bad case of and which became a serious situation in Vietnam back in 2019.

Any suggestions help.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2740957]Which G clubs did you go to and how were they?

No G clubs in Pattaya have a raucous atmosphere. Who has been saying that and which clubs was he / she referring to?

More real G clubs are just bars calling themselves G clubs as was a new trend when COVID started?

Which gogo bars are these?

Thanks for actually naming bars and how they currently are.[/QUOTE]I've been in most of the G clubs around Soi Buakhaow in the past week and wasn't impressed with any of them. Boring with average at best girls but to each their own.

I'm not a Go Go guy, haven't barfined from them in around 10 years, but been hanging out with a newbie and visited some and only one I was really impressed with looks of the girls so far is Pin Up, manager seems like a nice guy too.

Went into Annie Jacks today on Soi Buakhaow and they have a few really nice girls for a beer bar but the barfine there is 1200 before 11 pm and 600 after. Crazy for a beer bar imo. I don't judge others for paying it but I'll just stick to freelancers and Soi 6.

Had a few good sessions in Soi 6 though at Cooters and the bar that used to be Spider girl or something. Useless at remembering the girls names though sorry. The girl at the latter asked me to take off the condom during the sex. She had a pretty face with blondish dyed hair.

I was recently barred at the entrance of Palace. I am a Western and this was my first time in almost 20 years visiting Thailand. I am used to all doors open. I know Palace caters more Japonese clientele, but didn't expect it come to this. When I tried to enter the doorman said it was too full and even opened the door, and it seemed very busy. I stayed for some minutes at distance to watch, a group of 8-10 Indian guys were straighforward barred and there even was some tension because one tried to force and the doorman asked for backup support. But after that more than 10 Japonese guys entered, they simply entered (as I did in the past! Was it an unlucky day? Perhaps I could dress a little better and don't bring shorts, but the Japonese all had shorts. Or is this a new trend?

[QUOTE=Montecristo;2741201]I am used to all doors open. I know Palace caters more Japonese clientele, but didn't expect it come to this. But after that more than 10 Japonese guys entered, they simply entered (as I did in the past![/QUOTE]Years ago there used to be a Japanese place on the corner of Beach Road and Soi 4 or 5. I tried to go in and the guy would not let me. I started speaking Japanese and he still would not let me. Everything is not for everybody. Enjoy what is there for you and do not worry about what others have for themselves.

[QUOTE=Montecristo;2741201]I was recently barred at the entrance of Palace. I am a Western and this was my first time in almost 20 years visiting Thailand. I am used to all doors open. I know Palace caters more Japonese clientele, but didn't expect it come to this. When I tried to enter the doorman said it was too full and even opened the door, and it seemed very busy. I stayed for some minutes at distance to watch, a group of 8-10 Indian guys were straighforward barred and there even was some tension because one tried to force and the doorman asked for backup support. But after that more than 10 Japonese guys entered, they simply entered (as I did in the past! Was it an unlucky day? Perhaps I could dress a little better and don't bring shorts, but the Japonese all had shorts. Or is this a new trend?[/QUOTE]Soi 6 didn't have much good talent (7+) so I tried the go go. Quality has went down the tube. As a dark skin Westerner a second WS doorman would give the OK for me to enter. I dress better than 99% of men even though I was wearing brand new Nike shorts today. In Asia even white customers have been denied entry or service. It has even happened blatantly in PI. A lot of gogos have girls over 30 with bad tattoos and surgeries. With that trajectory Thailand doesn't work. Did you go on a busy weekend night? I didn't try Palace. A lot of the Top 10 gogos from 2016 have few customers and high drink prices today. Every farang has his challenges in SE Asia. There are plenty of other bars and girls happy for your patronage. I would leave dehumanizing spots alone. Forget those jerk doorman. Desperate men are keeping Pattaya afloat. I don't see myself bothering unless the quality goes back circa 2015.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2740987]I had a lady come over earlier this, and I knew she had an unshaven pussy, so I bought her a razor and shaving cream. The idea was for her to take it home to get ready for next time. But, she was so horny that she went into the bathroom and shaved right then.

You can imagine what happened next.[/QUOTE]Dude great stories. But include the PRICE and more details where you find these girls. Now it just seems you post my "little diary stories" .

It's been raining nonstop for the past few days. Flooding everywhere. I've kept myself busy with ThaiFriendly but had a dud experience on my very last meet. Girl showed up no make up and there was a very icky smell coming from her vag. Yuck. Anyways, I reached out and got the true low down of what is going on with Walking Street Go Go bars from one of the best, if not the best.

"The only Gogos worth visiting are Pin Up, Palace, Fahrenheit, and honorable mention Dolls WS. Pin Up has the most girls. They have remodeled their layout, so there are plenty of bad to horribles seating and bad views. Before you can practically see all the girls dancing on all 4 stages. Now you cannot and get stuck with whatever is in front of you. Boo, Pin Up management! Coyote 222 with her bob haircut has one of the most prettiest faces for a Thai girl. Too bad she only allowed a few minutes of face fucking before she gagged and quit. Bathroom is now coed, so don't be alarmed or afraid if the girls peek at your wiener whilst you draining the snake. Palace is probably a distant number two in terms of quality. They finally replaced that shared hand towel and installed an automatic hand blower in the tiny bathroom space. Good investment. They now have a 20,000 ping pong ball bucket. Good luck with that. Girls who have been sampled there are as followed, Coyote number 2 (a tad on the older side) and Coyote 42. Yes, I like that long straight hair with long legs, round bubble butt, slim body, and ample boobies look. On the model's side, I got to test drive number 413 and 94. If anybody can track them down by their numbers, ask yourself. Do I have good eye or what? Or do I have beer goggles. Number 45 Coyote at Palace (pictured 2nd from left with short hair) got all pissy with me because I took her a long time ago from another club and told her she gained weight. So many girls have added kilos with all this down time. Guess they don't like to be reminded to ease off the som tam and Thai curry. If you don't want me to be blunt, don't come asking for a drink is my motto. Haven't taken anyone from Fahrenheit, but there are 3 on my list I need to get before I comment about them. Don't need guys to be stepping on my toes with all this valuable intel. Dolls WS deserves a good mention. Yummy models tasted were 70 and 74. One of which has a full back tattoo and an exotic mixed Indian look to her. Both slim with new bolt ONS that haven't quite dropped. Watch out for 70 as she is a pro, but still one hell of a fuck. What I dislike about Dolls is the girls don't move. There is no rotation, so whoever stand in front of you is all you will get to see. Whose stupid idea was that?

Points I need to mention. Drink prices are up. Lots of bait and switch or no shows going on with bars and advertisement. Meaning some girls who are displayed on websites or FB are not working at that bar, but instead another bar. I am not going to mention who or where, but that's not cool, especially if guys are stalking for a particular girl. Newbies won't know this. Secondly, WS Gogo bars are only about 30% of what they were in 2019. Most of the elite girls are not there. So if you go and think "wow," you have no clue. Vets will know how many rotations there should be and girls capacity of each club. Sensations and Baccara (upstairs closed) are simply put, just basura. Me no likes. Sensations switched to all bikinis, which is not a good thing looking at those bods. And Baccara is nothing compared to what it was with all its has beens. These are the most crowded bars. Open as well are Glass House, SkyFall, Pacha, Moon Club, Coco, Windmill, Peppermint, Living Dolls 2, Tantra, Shark, and Sapphire. Maybe a few more I missed. Sapphire is hardly what it was as well. Only one girl I would want to bang. Still it's all better than nothing or wherever you are at now. Did check out PlayGirlz, the old Golden Time. They have free delicious warm popcorn is all I have to say. Many of the former Whats Up girls including the mamasans went to Auntie Jacks on Buakhao, BF 600 and rate up to the girl. Many are there to ONLY play drinking games so be careful.

Where can my Desi bros go? Not Palace or Bacarra, UNLESS they barely open at 7 pm and do not go in big groups. Pairs or threes at the most. You are welcomed other bars but not in big groups and DO NOT go in walk around and touch ladies and go back out. Why would you do that? But that's' the complaint I get from girls. Come in, look around, touch girls and walk out. No drinks. Can you be any creepier? Go early before 8 and spend some cash. If Palace, Baccara, Pin Up, Fahrenheit or any club has full house, then it's Asian preferred no matter what. Maybe it's because it's been awhile since the Asian countries open. This is the girls preference, not the club owners. The retired expats have reigned for awhile now since COVID. If you don't like it, ask the girls why. They will lie of course. But the again it's Thailand, spend the money, have the reputation, and you don't to worry about all of this. " - The Prince of the Gogos.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2740870]Got to push back on this. None of the Pattaya agogos were standing room only. End of August.

Pin up busy. Baccara no where near capcity.[/QUOTE]4 years ago Cowboy and WS Bacarra were so full they made you buy a B200 drink before you could enter. Tons of white tourist had the place booming with biz. I suspect Bacarra kept their inflated drink biz model and the hip expats go to places that have happy hour and budget friendly drinks. I think I liked Fahrenheit also since they have 70+ girls. Windmill was crowded last Spring and used antigen testing to turn punters away.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2740870]Got to push back on this. None of the Pattaya agogos were standing room only. End of August.

Pin up busy. Baccara no where near capcity.[/QUOTE]I haven't been weekend but I concur on Thursday night a lot of the seating was taped off / unused. You would need 25 bus loads of Chinese and Japanese men to make SRO at the current Top 10 WS GoGos. Windmill upstairs is closed.

For the sake of the correct and useful information, this venue in soi Lenkee, IS up and running everyday from 1 pm through 12 am.

Don't be mislead by fake information trying to divert attention to other places.

The so called "Gentleman Clubs" in Soi Boomerang are mostly Go-go in disguise of something they pretend to be.

Usual shuffle dance, the occasional semi-naked dancer, business as usual and as we know since ever.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2741262]For the sake of the correct and useful information, this venue in soi Lenkee, IS up and running everyday from 1 pm through 12 am.

Don't be mislead by fake information trying to divert attention to other places.

The so called "Gentleman Clubs" in Soi Boomerang are mostly Go-go in disguise of something they pretend to be.

Usual shuffle dance, the occasional semi-naked dancer, business as usual and as we know since ever.[/QUOTE]I would say there is no difference between a BJ / Soi 6 bar and a gentleman's club. In both there is no stage and you can fuck on premises for 1000 baht. Gogo bar there is a stage that chicks dance on and you generally have to go somewhere else to fuck for more than 1000 baht. If I am wrong then correct me.

[QUOTE=Montecristo;2741201]I was recently barred at the entrance of Palace. I am a Western and this was my first time in almost 20 years visiting Thailand. I am used to all doors open. I know Palace caters more Japonese clientele, but didn't expect it come to this. When I tried to enter the doorman said it was too full and even opened the door, and it seemed very busy. I stayed for some minutes at distance to watch, a group of 8-10 Indian guys were straighforward barred and there even was some tension because one tried to force and the doorman asked for backup support. But after that more than 10 Japonese guys entered, they simply entered (as I did in the past! Was it an unlucky day? Perhaps I could dress a little better and don't bring shorts, but the Japonese all had shorts. Or is this a new trend?[/QUOTE]Be more specific than you are Western.

[QUOTE=Cusland;2741156] Passion in Jomtien. [/QUOTE]How is Passion these days? How many girls? I never really had much success but I still enjoy going there.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2741262]La Poste[/QUOTE]Been a long time since I went to La Poste. Oddly I did used to walk in to its sister club Telephone Booth on Soi Batman, even though it was much further away.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2740977]The ladies were mostly 40+, and the lighting was bad.[/QUOTE]

The lighting is bad for a reason!

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2740959]The amount of girls to patrons on Soi 6 is staggering. It must be like a 50 to 1 ratio during the day. [/QUOTE]Which Soi 6 bars currently have 50 girls? This was certainly not the norm pre-COVID not even at Ruby Bar.

[QUOTE=Montecristo;2741201]I was recently barred at the entrance of Palace. I am a Western and this was my first time in almost 20 years visiting Thailand. I am used to all doors open. I know Palace caters more Japonese clientele, but didn't expect it come to this. When I tried to enter the doorman said it was too full and even opened the door, and it seemed very busy. I stayed for some minutes at distance to watch, a group of 8-10 Indian guys were straighforward barred and there even was some tension because one tried to force and the doorman asked for backup support. But after that more than 10 Japonese guys entered, they simply entered (as I did in the past! Was it an unlucky day? Perhaps I could dress a little better and don't bring shorts, but the Japonese all had shorts. Or is this a new trend?[/QUOTE]Never seen that before for a Farang. Seems unusual. Definitely seen Indians being asked for a tip or turned away outright. I'd chalk it up as bad luck. Maybe go earlier next time. Yes Japanese and Korean get priority at Palace as well as the other Asian gogo bars. Try LK Metro those are the Farang gogo bars.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2741236]Dude great stories. But include the PRICE and more details where you find these girls. Now it just seems you post my "little diary stories" .[/QUOTE]I said the same thing before LOL, seems odd posts like that are permitted tbh.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2741291]How is Passion these days? How many girls? I never really had much success but I still enjoy going there.

Been a long time since I went to La Poste. Oddly I did used to walk in to its sister club Telephone Booth on Soi Batman, even though it was much further away.



The lighting is bad for a reason!

Which Soi 6 bars currently have 50 girls? This was certainly not the norm pre-COVID not even at Ruby Bar.

Never seen that before for a Farang. Seems unusual. Definitely seen Indians being asked for a tip or turned away outright. I'd chalk it up as bad luck. Maybe go earlier next time. Yes Japanese and Korean get priority at Palace as well as the other Asian gogo bars. Try LK Metro those are the Farang gogo bars.[/QUOTE]I meant at a 50/1 ratio overall on Soi 6, not each bar.

During the afternoon you'll see only a handful of guys on Soi 6 whilst the bars are teeming with girls, most of which are average looking.

[QUOTE=JasonSilva;2741145]I am wondering how they are surviving? The girls can't be making more than 6 k baht per month.[/QUOTE]You said it. A lot of supply and not much demand. For instance, any TF girl I see texts me constantly thereafter to see them again, which tells me they're not getting much business.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2740979]A couple of days ago, I had 2 ladies over to my condo, one a freelancer, the other a gogo dancer. [/QUOTE]That's nothing. This one time at band camp. . . .

[QUOTE=Bunky;2741319]That's nothing. This one time at band camp. . . .[/QUOTE]Even more brilliant than a haiku.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2741236]Dude great stories. But include the PRICE and more details where you find these girls. Now it just seems you post my "little diary stories" .[/QUOTE]I have posted many times how I find the girls and the price. But, I will repeat for you.

The first step is to barfine a lady. If she does okay, get her social media info.

Then, at a later date, invite her to your place in the afternoon for drinks, ie before work. I pay 2000 baht, since they stay for most of the afternoon. Have drinks, get laid.

On another day, offer to have her come again. If she invariably asks whether a friend can come, say "yes". Have drinks, get laid twice. Get the friend's contact info.

After a while, you will have a rotation of ladies. Once you fall into the category of "customer before", then all sorts of doors open for you.