Best country in South America for non-Spanish speakers
By best I don't mean the cheapest, just a good selection, minimal hassle, not having to constantly look over your shoulder, and a pleasant enough place to spend a few days or more.
Best country in South America for non-Spanish speakers?
I guess I didn't make clear, I was posing a question.
[QUOTE=Globalnomad5;1178157]By best I don't mean the cheapest, just a good selection, minimal hassle, not having to constantly look over your shoulder, and a pleasant enough place to spend a few days or more.[/QUOTE]
Best country for non spanish speakers in latin america
[QUOTE=Globalnomad5;1178157]By best I don't mean the cheapest, just a good selection, minimal hassle, not having to constantly look over your shoulder, and a pleasant enough place to spend a few days or more.[/QUOTE]Although the DR is not South America, it is certainly easy to find girls willing to be your short term girl friend without speaking any Spanish. I reckon that at least 2/3s of the girls will have sex with a stranger, always expecting some form of "help" with their lives (in other words, even though you pay them, most of these are not really prostitutes). All of these girls would consider themselves lucky to be with someone who wanted them as a novia, even for a short term.
The 16 lesson Pimsleur intro to Spanish, which can be done in a week would be sufficient to take you from introduction to the alter, if that is your wish. But without it, all you need is someone who speaks a few words of English to help you along.
I have a taxi driver there named Rey, who is honest, drives a small van in great shape, who is an expert at helping to recruit chicas. He is best at breaking the ice with shop girls or waitresses and arranging dinner dates in situations where a gringo stands out like a sore thumb. And, when all else fails, he knows every casa in the city.
I can provide you with his number of you wish (he also has email). Just pm me.
Responses Comparing Rio de Janeiro, Dongguan, Jakarta, Macau, Pattaya, Phils, etc.
I just posted on an April trip to Jakarta, Macau, and Pattaya. I had gotten great advice from the Rio de Janeiro and South China Dongguan forums comparing those places and some other destinations with the ones I eventually visited (a Macau forum poster also chimed in). I'm pasting these responses here if someone finds them useful for their own travels. Also, I was probably a bit fatalistic about the "last trip" concept; next month, actually, I'll be heading to the Dominican Republic.
Thanks again for the tips!
[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita; 1134161]I liked that class on Comparative Politics in college. Or was it Comparative Literature? Anyway, I love ISG and have read plenty, but sometimes it's hard to compare different mongering destinations without getting some direct expert input. So my solution is to just ask. I'm planning one last major mongering bender in mid April (10-14 days). I hope not to give up the hobby, but in a few months I'll have to pursue it on 'l little here, a little there' basis. In short, one last full-on sex vacation coming up. Sooo. .
Where to go? I know we have some well-traveled mongerers on the board, so I'm looking for some comparative perspective from guys who have been to the places on this board plus the others I list below. Here are my options; they seem like gaps in my mongering resume I need to fill. (One factor: I have to justify the trip as tourism, so for example a strictly Bangkok trip would definitely raise red flags). Here goes:
Macau, Changping, Hong Kong (with possible Bangkok layover). Cost to Travel $1000 to $1400 – Pros:; like the idea of trying KTV and Chinese saunas; Can visit a relative in Macau so I have a good pretext to go; Want to go now before scene gets shut down or too pricey; Bangkok layover chance a big plus. Cons: US visa issue, no Chinese language, Macau saunas seem a bit pricey, lots of reports about Chinese girls being too mechanical, though I have contradictory experience in KL and elsewhere. .
Brazil – Cost to travel about $1400 – Pros: I generally love Latinas and tan lines, and what I hear about Brazilian girls in bed (confirmed at an FKK and LMP) ; Cons: Termas seem expensive and exchange rate to dollar not great; Been there once (pre mongering days) and want to do non-mongering activities but trip not long enough to see lots of Brazil.
Jakarta – Cost to travel $650 – Pros: Wild girls (threesomes) at Jakarta places, prices seem fair, would like to visit Sumatra so Jakarta a good launch point. Cons: Been to Jakarta and didn't love the city, and that seems like the only place to really monger on the trip; Indo girls nice, but may want more diversity
Other options: Colombia, Manila: been to both places recently, great sex / price, but don't have lots of time to see new parts of country to justify going.
Thanks for indulging my indecision![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Whomer; 1134793]You should do all of them.
Macau, CP and Hong Kong are different places. Therefore I like all three. There are plenty of information in this forum. And each of them is it worth spending 2 days or more there.
Brazil is a absolute must for every monger. I like Sao Paulo, Rio or Florianopolis. Also many information here.
Jakarta is a hot place too.
Manila is perfect for a lot of fun.
I don't know Columbia, but you already visited it.
At the end it is not about budget, it is more about your schedule. You should try all of them.
I couldn't stay only on one place mongering, I love the diversity of our world (of mongering).
W[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sky Ryder; 1134504]I don't know about indecision, but it is a tough one. I have been to all the places you mentioned and with the exception of Jakarta, made multiple trips. I will give you my take, but remember this is probably worth what you paid for it.
First So. Amer. If I could go to only one place in the world for girls it would be Argentina, but I have heard that sadly the scene in BA is nothing near what it was 6-7 yrs ago, and I suspect I would be very sad to return. Brazilian gals are the most sexual beings I have ever met, and some of them are off the charts beautiful, but you are correct that the prices have gotten really expensive and the dollar isn't doing well anywhere. One place you didn't mention that would be my first choice in So. Amer is Medellin, I have been a couple of times and NEVER had a bad visit and there are some interesting things to see when you need to rest your decision maker. The girls are beautiful, GFE, and plentiful at reasonable price. Columbia is no more dangerous than most places as long as you aren't stupid and this would be my top non-Asian destination at this time.
Now for the Asian spots, HK, is a great town and lots going on, a little expensive for hotels, etc. But Wanchai has many different nationalities, the girls get all dolled up, and for the most part 1k to 1. 5K will be the total bill for reasonable night out girl included. If you don't go crazy on drinks. Like maybe one LD. If diversity is what you want HK is the best bet for getting it all in one place.
Now, to go thru life without experiencing a night or two at a CP KTV would be a shame if you like Chinese girls at all. I don't have mandarin skills but still manage to have fun at the KTV in CP. The sight of 500-1000 19-25 yr old cute girls all dressed hoping that I will pick them is spectacular, and I enjoy the games, interaction with the guys in the rooms and the other girls as well. The sex after wards tends to be pretty ordinary, as I have only met one KTV girl (or any Chinese girl) that was a GFE by my western definition. The good thing is CP is only a short train ride from HK, and well worth a night or two. I had a good time in Macau, but not enough to really want to go back anytime soon, but then saunas aren't my big draw item and that is what Macau is all about.
The other place I think is worth a side trip is to AC in the Philippines. It is inexpensive and the amount of cute little Pinoy gals available is almost unbelievable, you can literally fly R / T from HK for less than 200USD, and again it is a "bucket list" location for mongers. Of course I like the fils gals, they are cute and tend to be very GFE and willing partners.
If it was my trip and I lived in the eastern part of the US, I would go to Medellin for a week or so, and have the time of your life. If I lived out west, I would head to HK, don't know how many days you have, but go to CP for at least 2 nights. You can try out some of the treats from Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, or Philippines all in Wanchai, and if you go to Kowloon on a good night, try one of the Northern Sisters from Mongolia. I wouldn't recommend the Mongolian gal for the faint of heart, but if my experience is any indication, a lifetime achievement award.
I probably didn't help much, but now at least you have one opinion. Hope you write back with the details of the adventure!
Sky[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SE Asia Joe; 1134256]Disclaimer. Besides Asia, I've only been to Mexico (City, DF) and N. America so I really don't know about other parts of S. America.
But I would first suggest that you figure out what race and quality of gals you actually favor before all else; according to you, this is supposedly one last hurrah. Prices etc should take a back seat to other consideration as the idea is to have a lasting and great fortnight.
Asia, well again the race, quality, service, GFE is very subjective. But I'd say that LOS and PI is probably more Caucasian Friendly than more North Asia. Especially if you favor the darker skinned Issan type girls. English should not be too much of a problem.
The "Golden Axis" of Hong Kong, Macau, Southern China IMHO (AND definitely my biased preference) will give you the best and most varied experiences. Hong Kong offers the cheap 141 gals (HK$250 up) , the +-HK$1, 000 Wanchai LOS / PI / S. America / even E. European gals, to the very overpriced KTV gals. Macau is for comparatively more expensive Sauna (+-HK$1600 for full package including ferry tickets. And here you can also get LOS / Vietnam etc gals besides of course Chinese ones!) or the HK$700 Lisboa race track PRC gals to the circa HK$2, 000 all-in KTV package.
Southern China, now that's a whole different ball of wax. And you reading these pages should give you a pretty good summary of what's available in Chang Ping (similar pricing elsewhere in S. China). Young, lighter and superior skin tone / very OK quality / service RMB 150-250 BBS gals, Circa RMB 800 all in / at least 2 pops / 2 hour / up to 40 different services Sauna experience, Circa RMB 350 KTV party fee + 2-5-8 or whatever grade gal you want. One thing though is NOT to expect much by way of great bodies especially their arses.
And of course if you don't speak Chinese, I would recommend that you MUST hook up with a Chinese speaking buddy or a good agent; otherwise, I'd think you'd get really lost / not able to avail yourself of most good things available.
Jeez. Last time I offered advise as above I got creamed by Wxx Cxxxxxx instead!
Cross my fingers, Hope, Oh well!
SEAJ[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1134240]Given your background, I think Rio would (mildly) disappoint you as a sex destination. Its a great city, but isn't ideal for what you described. If you interview in Jakarta for gems the way that people do in Brasil, I know from experience that you'll find Indon girls in the Blok and in Kota that will do everything that's ever been posted in this Rio thread, with equal dedication and at half the price. Jakarta seems like your best option, especially considering your lower costs to get there. BTW, the 'best places for STR thread' is the most appropriate place for this discussion.
After 2 consecutive trips lodging in Centro, I no longer care to sleep there. I like to monger there, but there are ample buses at all times of day and night running between NS Copa and Pres Vargas, so I'll be staying back in Copa next time. As for food and drink, I think Zona Sul can offer everything that Centro has, and with longer hours. The value of Centro, IMO, is the huge quantity of girls, moderate prices, the adventure of finding them in nook and cranny places all over, and just being in the heart of the old city and appreciating the history and culture.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Ibn Buttita; 1136577]Thanks very much for the insight, Puta Playa (and for the tip on the ST thread, which ought to get more attention). I'm still on the fence, in large part due to the recent posts on privês. The girls on those sites and the escort sites like Karla look amazing, and the prices seem reasonable. Can I assume a lot of that is Photoshop magic, or is the quality actually rather good? I have been doing a lot of looking at the photo galleries for Indonesia and Brazil, and have to say that, except for the incomparable Brazilian bunda and tan lines, the Indon girls hold their own. (And to my eye, based on experiences in Colombia, Philippines, and a few other places, there's a fine line between the facial beauty of Latinas and SE Asian girls. It's really hard to tell the difference sometimes).
A more practical matter: since my trip would coincide with holy week and Easter, would most places (of all varieties. Privês, thermas, clubs) have reduced hours of operation and fewer girls? Transportation headaches are also a concern. I'd prefer to spend time in Rio as a city over Jakarta, but would holy week be the nail in the coffin of this trip as far as some travel / lodging outside of the city?
Thanks also to Mr. Enternational; I agree that there are tons of things to do in Thailand, but I know that some people I know who would hear of a strictly Thailand trip would draw the wrong (but actually very correct) conclusions about the goal of my visit![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Christopherd; 1136952]I don't know if this helps, but compared to the other places you mention I think one downside of Brasil is that, even for an experienced monger, your first time there you are more of a 'newbie' than in places like Manila, Bangkok, Hong Kong, FKK or LMP. 10-14 days is not very long, also considering the amount of hassle involved. I think Puta Playa did a 'how to do Rio in a few days' post a while back, as others have. But it is no cake walk. Would suggest lots of research and very clear (but adaptable) plans.
Not as big a scene as RJ, BKK or MNL but much more straightforward. If you stay in HK mainland rather than the expensive island itself you can get reasonable hotels, yellow-sign parlours, or genteel 'streetwalkers' with nearby apartments. ANd plenty of cultural diversity once you look for it (ignoring the determined tourist-programming that hits as soon as you step foot in there).
I've been a couple of times and hated the place, but PP seems to know his stuff there and I would probably take his advice if I went back. You can get short flights to Bali, BKK or Singapore from there if you don't like it. (depending on taste, but Singapore-Geylang is the no-fuss option).
Plus, it has to be said, Manilia is a bit of a shit hole. If you can get out to the nicer places (I liked the floating bars area near Subic Bay) it has much to offer, but getting around can be either a hassle or expensive due to the fairly dire infrastructure.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE][QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1137089]If transportation headaches are a concern, Rio privês and Jakarta in general are not for you. Privês require you to take subway / bus rides and a lot of walking to orient yourself to where you've landed, and walk all over to interview and find suitable GFE girls that provide good services like BBBJWCIM and anal. Take Tijuca Tigressas for an example. The first time, I walked all over that hill for a half hour questioning myself, and even stopped at an internet cafe to double check, before figuring out that yes, my note is correct and it really [i]is[/i] Somewhere inside that damn parking garage. I don't expect a ho house to be inside a parking garage and thinking my note must be wrong. Haha! Also, one of the apartos on Rio Branco is weird as well. The elevator stops one floor below and then you have to walk up a flight of stairs. Some people never figure that out and just leave. The mongering scene in Rio is big, but 95% of it is somewhat clandestine and geared toward the locals. You don't see a lot of girls selling, or any big flashing signs. For example, everyone here hits Luomo at some point. The place is buried upstair in a mall and you'd never know it existed unless someone told you. You could walk by and not even know it was one of the best little ho houses in Rio.
Jakarta in general is a whole different thing. Transportation nightmare during the daytime. The night isn't much better. Much, much harder than Rio.
Sounds like maybe the Phillipines is the place for you, if you've been there before, know it, etc. Your stated goal was to have one last big mongering trip, so perhaps you should focus on a place like PI with low cost, high quality, high volume sex and not worry about the allure of Rio as a city. Sugarloaf Mountain is cool, but you can't fuck it. And if you try to hump the base of Cristo Redentor during Holy Week they'll probably call in the BOPE. You're an experienced guy. Pick your favorite place from the past, and go back to that place that you already know if you want to have the best experience in a short time. Don't be misled by the exploits of people on this thread. Most of the contributors here have been to Rio multiple times before being comfortable enough to do things that they've posted. Some live there, some almost live there, most speak the language to some extent. It's not like the Brasil of 5 or more years ago when the girls were sometimes actually selling ass to afford food and lodging. That's the Brasil that made Brasil famous. Now people come and think it must be the sensual ways of the Brasilieras that made Rio famous as a P4P destination. I think it was the fact that the girls were truly poor until the last few years, and looked up to a 'rich gringo', routinely practiced unsafe sex due to ignorance or not caring, and usually wanted to stay over for the night. The girls were even wanting marriage to gringos. Not so any more. Now you have to make an effort and go after them, where they work, interview them, pretend you like them, etc.
Contrast that with Jakarta where you can just walk around a mall and be picked up by a 'student' who needs money, and she'll fuck you bareback, CIM or whatever you want, and hang out all afternoon. Brasilian girls don't chase gringos anymore, they let the gringos come to them. They think like business people and not poor people, cause they're no longer poor. Better of sticking with what you know. Each time in a place tends to be better than the last.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Christopherd; 1137101]He's got a point. Whether you go to Manila or Angeles City. Very much a matter of taste as they are so different. But you can stay somewhere at reasonable cost and have as much pussy as you can lick your cream on from right on your doorstep. There are other areas of Philippines that appeal, but mostly on the scenic attractions (largely lacking in AC and MNL, although there are some). I don't know the islands that well, but if you want a paradise,
[url=http://www.bluerocksubic.com/]Blue Rock[/url]
Hotel up in Subic is pretty good and cheap as well. Apartment that fronts on to the beach, good food (including Australian steaks, and remember good food is not generally a speciality in Philippines!) , a floating bar with first class music, beer and you can take the waitresses if you want, or walk a hundred yards or so to the main strip for the usual MNL / AC-style babe bars. You can even ask the hotel to arrange a taxi from the airport probably if you don't want to get a bus. The taxi won't be cheap but it lets you have a bit of style getting away from the AC / MNL rat-race so to speak. .
Anyway, good luck, whatever you decide![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Prosal; 1137715]Jakarta is definitively the best option in SE Asia. The eye candy is really outstanding. You could see more gorgeous women there in a half hour then you will see in Bangkok or Manilla in one month. Indonesian girls are REALLY unique in their appearence, thanks to the Malay, Chinese, Indian and Dutch mixes.
Furthermore they are definitely the most easy going girls on the planet and a guy with "skills" can get more freebies than he can juggle with. If you're the kind of monger who plays the non-pro chase game, Indonesia is the place to be (well, with FSU). Rio, AC or BKK are prostitution meccas only good if you appreciate wores who have had miles of cock.
Also Jakarta has one of the most vibrant nightlife in the world.
Jakarta freebies :
[ATTACH=CONFIG]148526[/ATTACH][/QUOTE][QUOTE=Ken_Apples; 1137723]2011, Copa and even centro is just a pale shade of it's better days. Some would even call it a joke. (Prices not even discussed). For those who know Rio very well, and put in the effort and do the footwork, fun can still be found.
- But why would you want to do that, if you are on vaccation to relax?
There are hiploads of places these days that offers more fun, better prices, better services and much easier access than Rio of 2011.
Of course you can chase the nonpro if that is your thing, but that you can do back home as well, right?
And also for the Brazilian pro girls, you have plenty of them now working in USA and Europe, just to pick easy.
IMHO, Rio is like the P4P Titanic, once a glorious big ship, and if not resting on the bottom of the ocean, there are very few lights from the deck that still is above the waterline.
Save your time, money and go elsewhere. (I know I will)
Best regards, Ken.
Ps: Puta, I was just as confused about the garage at Tigresa.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1137759]I've been living in Rio for 6 months now and I think Puta and you nailed it to a high degree. But I'm curious what places you think are more fun, better prices and better services? I've been to Thailand (BKK, Pattaya, Chang Mai, Phuket) and Germany's FKKs but I wouldn't say they have "better services". The GFE you can get in Brazil, even today, is better than I ever got in those places. Though I really enjoyed the FKKs. Anyway, love to learn more.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=LAMonkey;1134178]Dongguan No Chinese language. Big Problem IMHO.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Cunning Linguist; 1134356]So true. You could argue that the "language of love" is international but who are we kidding? There is no actual "love" and what do you do after the deed? Smile, laugh, and talk with your hands? Who do you mime, for example,"my parents were poor but noble" with your hands?
Besides, it would be a real pain to have to negotiate with a third party in order to get a girl. And once you are in the hotel room, what if there is a problem?
I have seen guys in Haiti who knew only English and who thought they wouldn't need to know any Creole when they got it on with the girls but when there were problems, they turned to me to straighten things out. Sometimes the girls would go ballistic (the usual problem is that the guys would be doing a different girl a day) and the guy was clueless as to why (they thought that they could go from flower to flower without the girls caring. They do care. It is their paycheck).
Even in CP, I recall an incident when a girl went absolutely apeshit when she complained that the guy who had picked her in a KTV didn't pay much attention to her. And he spoke Chinese (a cultural misunderstanding in the end). Still, there was a misunderstanding between them and it took BSD and Bruce Tea to sort it all out. Imagine if someone who is bilingual in Chinese and English had not been around? They really don't speak English in CP. Hell, even their Mandarin sucks (nearly everyone speaks non-standard "Mandarins" from various parts of China like Hunan, Hubei, Sichuan, Guangdong, etc.) Looking for English-speakers there is like looking for someone to speak Chinese in Peoria or Chattanooga. You can find them but they are rare.
In conclusion, going to CP without at least basic Mandarin (or to a lesser extent, Cantonese) conversation skills is possible but it is a hassle for the punter, the girls, and certainly less enjoyable. I certainly enjoyed myself immensely when I was there and am raring to go back in August. And I am honing my Chinese skills to the max. Mandarin. Don't leave home without it![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sunset Strip; 1137766]Ibn Buttita,
Another mongering spot is Tijuana, Mexico. The prices are VERY cheap. $20 / max on the street and around $60 for an hour for a club girl. Plus you can always stay in San Diego, as most of us do and just take the trolley (public transportation) down to the border (30-45min ride from DT San Diego). Nobody knows you were in Mexico.
Right now Brazil is good for those with connections. I am there around every 4 months and know plenty of people. I know where to go and thus spend very little while in town (around 50 reais per day!). But for a newbie this frugal living would be impossible. Just go to Tijuana, enjoy yourself and have a good time. I was there last month and enjoyed it. SS[/QUOTE]
What County has the Best Women for STR?
Frankypanky,
Why is PI not #1 in your opinion? The PI is mongering heaven. Very cheap, the ladies speak English, you can go bareback if you want. The best part is that all the girls are GFE.
Why did you rank Colombia and DR as good places in Latin America? I am trying to figure out where to go next summer in Latin America. I placed a post to ask which Latin American country is the closest to PI, but only two mongers replied. I want to go to Latin America for 3 or 4 weeks. I am trying to figure out which is the cheapest with the best GFE experience. I understand that bareback will not be possible in Latin America. Hopefully I can at least get some BBBJ. Any inputs from any mongers will be greatly appreciate it.
