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Peter,
I am not nuts! And thanks for the maths involved. I also had a ballpark figure of about 1.4 - 1.5 million Euros! I was bored waiting for a waiting for a taxi recently inside PHG so I started to have a think......
But again cheers for your insight into the business side of things!
Hello,
I will be travelling through Frankfurt shortly, and I have a 8 hour layover. I want to try a FKK club. Being a newbie to Frankfurt, can someone suggest a good club, not too far from the airport, and suggest the best way to get there?
Thanks in advance!
Go to Palace. It is a little quiet in the afternoon but good.
www.the-palace.de
Take the train to the main station in Frankfurt (Hauptbahnhof) and the a cab, it's only 5 minutes.
Hessen Bub
I will be in germany the weekend of oct 9 10 i was wondering if anyone might want to hit world or oase.
my other options are to go to prague or the border area of poland or czech looking to see if anyone might like to join some where
Peter,
I liked your math exercise. On another board, I wen through a similar estimate and came up with something very close to what you got. Another member of that board challenged my numbers, betting with me that the intake had to be at least three million a year. The bet was on revenue at World, and the wager was an hour with Christina at World.
I am sure that I won that bet. But when I approached Christina and asked her if the guy had paid up, she did not know what I was talking about. So if you are reading this, k69u, pay up!
By the way, Peter, you already had $300k for salary of the owners. Since they also get the profit, the margin for them is higher than the $300k profit that you estimate. On the other hand, there is the real estate investment that has to be amortized. So I think you are pretty close.
Cheers
euro
Thanks a lot to Beffen1 for answering my questions couple of weeks back.
One more: To the folks traveling from US, particularly west coast. Do you know of any website or agency to get reasonably priced airline ticket for San Francisco / Los Angeles to Frankfurt ? I am thinking of my debut trip to the FKK heaven in mid to end October, and most websites / agencies are quoting $1000 or more? Is that common? From what I read from some of the posts here, sounded like it should be much less.
Your help is much appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Regards,
Gino
The women at most of the FKK clubs actually make fairly modest incomes. I doubt it would exceed more than 300EU a night with an absolute max of 500EU(fucking 10 guys in a shift sounds tiring). Very few girls stay in the profession long term, most do it to get money for school, pay off a debt, or do something else. I think the average career length for most women is rarely more than a few months. For some of the legal German women, I really wonder why they would work so much in an FKK when they can earn 10 times the amount they earn in Germany, working as a London escort? I was also thinking New York but in NYC there is a very strong mafia element to prostitution and those guys are ROUGH. Thankfully for us mongerers these girls don't have a fucking clue about capitalism. I actually got to know some girls and from their looks, you think they would be dating rich handsome studs, not, most of these guys are just average joes.
CBGB,
Yopur estimate on earnings are high. Most girls are netting 200€ max on average at any club. If they are really hustling they can pull down more, but your average working girl isn't making more than 200€ on a working day.
Also you are wrong in your length of career estimate. Either a girl get's out in the first month or she is definitely in the game for at least a year, I would say average 3 years. Some go off and on, but once you have managed your first customer it is totally easy to get back into the game. I know at least 15 girls who have told me they are getting out of the game for good. I have run into 13 of them within 18 months in a club, 1 other I have heard that she got back in 3 months ago (but i am sad that I missed her), and the 15th I am still waiting for.
I know girls who came to earn money to go study in Bulgaria. In 3 months they got the 5000€ she said she needed for all 4 years of studying. 1 year later (semester break) she was back for 3 months. I asked her why (because I knew she didn't really like the job). She said, now she had a new goal, 5000€ and she could buy an appartment. I guarantee you this girl will keep coming back each time she has a new goal. The "I'll do this for a month to earn some money and then never go back" Is as believeable as people who say they only use cocaine once a year.
I know girls who work in Zurich and nett about 600€ a day, but still work in FKK's when they are home in Germany. Just because guys pay more doesn't mean you earn more. The girls live normally in Germany, have normal appartments, cars etc. They don't want to live in London. they also know the set up in FKK's and have heard from other girls that it is OK. The set up of Escort is totally different and a lot of girls don't feel comfortable with it.
There are clubs in Germany (Like Rethel Strasse in Düsseldorf) where the cost is 300€ an hour. Sounds like the girls can earn more ther, but since they only get one customer a week there they earn significantly less. I know one girl who works at a Red Carpet Club where the session goes for 20€ for 20 minutes, and she earns 50% more than she did in Atlantis.
walmart also makes more money than a lot of upscale boutiques.
Peter
Nice analogy but Walmart doesn't carry 7 carat diamonds for $50.
It looks like I will be in the Frankfurt area on the 23rd of September through Sunday the 26th (coming for the weekend from France) and wondering if anyone will be around to hit the some of the highlights (I am posting this in the Frankfurt section too). PM me if you want to catch up.
I would be willing to share a rental car if anyone is interested.
N
Hey Gino02,
Try Travelocity.com or the travel section of the aol.com or msn.com main pages. I am travelling to Frankfurt in early December for $400-450 round trip from the Midwest (USA). From October through next April the prices should be good, with the best fares available if you can book well in advance. It takes some planning. I have to admit after 12 trips to Germany for the FKK scene, this is the first time I booked so early. With just a month to go, you may end up paying more but it shouldn't be in the range you mentioned.
You might also check out LTU.com which is a German airline with some low fares. I think they have flights out of LA. They may land in Dusseldorf, but there is a fair amount of good FKK action in that area and the train fare to Frankfurt is not bad.
CBGB,
I couldn't find a price quote for 7ct diamonds, but I did for 5+ and those go for between $60,000-$150,000 depending on cut and grade. If you tell me where these girls would be having sessions for a price like that instead of 50€ then let me know. The most expensive I have ever found was some "Real Top International Model from Paris" who wanted $50,000 dollars. Otherwise there are the girls from Eli Agency who also want a couple of grand a day, but in all my mongering time I have never met anyone who has booked either.
Peter
Hi, I saw that the Palace was listed down here somewhere for guys with some hours to kill at the airport (FRA). Question will be how and what time it takes from FRA to Central train station?
Did the same exercise in London once and then I almost lost my flight due to the "milk route" tube to Heathrow :-)
gracias, U
Ubba,
In the airport there is a regional train station and a Long Distance train Station. The regional train station has symbols like an RB and an S in a green circle. This is the one you want to head to. Take the S8 or S9 towards Frankfurt HBF (main Train Station). One of these two leaves every 15 minutes (same the way back) and takes exactly 10 minutes to get to the main train station. That is a world of difference to Heathrow which is about 60 minutes by normal Tube from downtown, and 15 minutes via the extremely expensive heathrow express to Paddington. It really is close, easy and cheap to get to. I think the S Bahn costs under 2€.
Peter
Uggabugga,
You can hire a taxi that will bring you from the airport to Palace in 15 minutes. I don´t know the taxi-pricing, but it could easyly cost 40 € for one way.
Or you take the S-Bahn. It´s about 25 minutes from the airport to frankfurt main station, from where you can go by S-Bahn - add 20 minutes plus 10 minutes for changing the trams. So the total estimated time is 1 hour each way, the cost is about 5 € each way.
Alternatively you can go by S-Bahn to Frankfurt Main station and then drive by taxi (10 minutes). Then the estimeated time per way is 40 minutes, the cost approximately 16 € per way.
You pay the money, so you take your choice.