Sao Paulo Reports

Good you want to experience SP.
I am sure you will have fun here.

As you mention your fluency in the local language, I would recommend you to select a girl from the many websites and invite her to your place. It is true that many pics are photoshopped, however this search will allow you to contact young girls with nice smile and real boobs (silicon boobs are in some way recognizable).

Other than that, I concur with Tiradentes you may want to try middle level clubs like Kilt (my favourite) or Vagao or others. You will have the advantage to see the girl in person and to chat a little bit, to see if some chemistry may develop.
Cafe Photo is full of beautiful young girls (why you got impression too old women browse there ?), however many of them feel themselves as model type, so they may not be what you look for, and are expensive too.

[QUOTE=InBrazilSoon]So I have read all the Sao Paulo reports going back to 2007. Great information and I have decided to make this my next stop.

I have been to Rio many times and I am just really tired of that scene. I have also been to Fortaleza and it is not really for me.

I am more of a big city guy. I am from NYC where I have been most of life except having lived in Paris and London for a few years each. So Big city is for me.

I speak Portuguese fairly well so language will not be an issue for me in SP.

While I don't want to spend a fortune on a girl money is less of a concern than finding the right scene for my tastes.

I do not like terma like environments I prefer my hotel or apartment.

I hate fake breasts. I really do not need model like women. I would rather have an average girl with a pretty face and nice smile.

So even after RTFF I am still confused.

The Cafe Foto type places seem to have women too old and too fake. prefer 19-24 years old with real breasts and grils who do not think they are model types.

I do not need champagne type places but also prefer not to be in the "gutter"

Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tiradentes]Sampa is the largest mongering place in the world. Surely, you will find what you like at a reasonable price .

Places like Cafe Foto, Bomboa, etc.(seems a new high end place opens every week) should be shunned. Their prices outweigh the quality and the service you will receive.

To find nice talent at reasonable pices, I suggest lower end tiers, such as Kilt, Vagao, etc. They both are located in Centro, Nestor Pestana (sp) street.
Any taxi would know these places.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this cat.

My girlfriend was out of town last week so I took a buddy of mine, new to the scene, out for a spin around Augusta.

A few places I like on Augusta: Maison, Caribe and Casarao.

These places can be hit and miss but I've found gems in all of them.
About 10R entrance and includes a beer or two.

My buddy found a pretty garota in Maison that he fell in love with.
She wanted 125R plus 20R for the room. With just a little fun and laughter, I easily got her down to 90R total for in-house service.

I met a couple cuties in Caribe, but this night I found my gem in Casarao.
Wow, she was a beautiful moreninha. Thin but curvy. Patricia.
After chatting a bit, she said she like to get 150R plus 25R for the room.
I told her, though she certainly deserved that much, I could only pay 80R plus 25R for the room. She was so pretty, I didn't even want to try and negotiate lower.
She said she was OK with that, so I paid at the front desk and up we went for fun.
Fantastic.

All in all, goes to show that in SP, you just don't have to break the bank for good fun.
Matter of fact, one of my favorite garotas I've met in all of SP was in a 1R a minute barsinho.

Boa sorte ....

I now realize that amount you had paid is about USD 80.
Far too much for an extra guest.
Even if you change from single occupancy to double occupancy, probably you don't pay such extra amount.
...
No, you don't even pay a difference at Sheraton.
Try to book a single or a double at that hotel and you will see rate is in both cases USD 310.



[QUOTE=Johntodd]Yes, it definately was a 150 real fee. If I can find a copy of the receipt I will post.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Albert Punter]Escort services or prostitutes are legal here, no problem.

Also, as far as I know all hotels are girls friendly.

Furthermore, you may explain to the reception (most likely only to male staff) what is your need and they either show you a book from where you can choose a girl of your liking or can send a girl to your room (no obligation to buy).

Otherwise, tell us what catched your attention reading the forum and someone will surely help.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the help albert,

My problem is that I do not understand sao paulo from the geografy. I stay in alphaville but from what I understand this is far far away from everything. I have the chance to change the hotel. So what can be a good location if I want to be "at the spot". I have read the froum, but I don't know what is the best place to Wstart" from.

Any help on this would be wonderfull.

Thanks!

Will

[QUOTE=Will Smith69]Thanks for the help albert,

My problem is that I do not understand sao paulo from the geografy. I stay in alphaville but from what I understand this is far far away from everything. I have the chance to change the hotel. So what can be a good location if I want to be "at the spot". I have read the froum, but I don't know what is the best place to Wstart" from.

Any help on this would be wonderfull.

Thanks!

Will[/QUOTE]

Quite some locations are good, certainly not Alphaville. Moema is an area sufficently central and so is Jardins.

Right decision to change your hotel, Alphaville is really away from everything.
Is there any special reason you decided to stay there. Maybe your business partners are located there ? You may say I am curious.
Many years ago when my partners were located there I used to stay in Jardins.

I second what Bionicman suggested: Jardins and Moema are good areas.


[QUOTE=Will Smith69]Thanks for the help albert,

My problem is that I do not understand sao paulo from the geografy. I stay in alphaville but from what I understand this is far far away from everything. I have the chance to change the hotel. So what can be a good location if I want to be "at the spot". I have read the froum, but I don't know what is the best place to Wstart" from.

Any help on this would be wonderfull.

Thanks!

Will[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Albert Punter]Right decision to change your hotel, Alphaville is really away from everything.

Is there any special reason you decided to stay there. Maybe your business partners are located there? You may say I am curious.

Many years ago when my partners were located there I used to stay in Jardins.

I second what Bionicman suggested: Jardins and Moema are good areas.[/QUOTE]jes exactly. Our partners have organiced this. But we can relocate so it would be better. So I understadn that if we relocate we should go for Jardins or Moema. Ok I will see if I finde a hotel there.

Thanks it is difficult to get all things sortet out.

I I am searching for the "places to go" you think I search for Jardins and Moema and I finde the right informations. Right.

So I try.

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=Will Smith69]Moema[/QUOTE]
Moema is an enjoyable neighborhood but rather remote ...if you stay in Moema and monger around Centro and Pinheiros taxis will cost you a little fortune. Better stay in Jardins.

You are right to have changed anyhow. Alphaville is a soulless gated condominums "city" with absolutely no options, 30 kms west !!

Ok so I understand this is not the best place to stay, but I have no choice.

Can anyone advise me as to best options for pay4play around (or within reasonable cab distance) from the Comfort Suites hotel here in Alphaville?

Brothels, clubs, massage, any help would be appreciated.

Will,

Attached is a file which shows location of various "bairros" mentioned by Prosal, so that you can have an idea of distances.

IMHO staying in Moema is not so dramatic as far as distances and taxi fares.
Many of the girls reside in Jardins, which is 20 R by taxi.
A ride between Moema and Centro can be 30 R and 25 minutes ?
Obviously I am considering night-time with no traffic.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Moema is an enjoyable neighborhood but rather remote ...if you stay in Moema and monger around Centro and Pinheiros taxis will cost you a little fortune. Better stay in Jardins.

You are right to have changed anyhow. Alphaville is a soulless gated condominums "city" with absolutely no options, 30 kms west !![/QUOTE]

In my mind Moema is better than Jardins or any other locations in Sampa. It's « far » from centro only if you need to hobby down there. Bu why hobby down there? There's everything in Moema. By eveything I mean privês, swing clubs, boates. You're close to Cafe Photo or other places in the same category.

If you prefer to hobby in Vila Mariana or Novo Brooklin (as I frequently do ) you're close to these bairros.

Like Jardins, a lot of garotas live in Moema (especially in the Sonesta on Ibirapuera Blvd.).

The bairro is quiet (it's the prominent aspect of this hood). You can walk at night without danger.

The only problem is when you try to get out of the hood at rush hours.

It's a good spot to meet non pros. (My latest conquest was a book seller working near Praça dos Pombos and Nossa Senhora de Aparecida)

Of course, I'm not impartial. Sayng this I realze that I should keep my mouth shut because I wouldn't like to see too many gringos in my favorite playground. Lol...

[QUOTE=Albert Punter]Attached is a file which shows location of various "bairros" mentioned by Prosal, so that you can have an idea of distances.[/QUOTE]
Without being controversial, you rightly pointed out on your map the name of the districts, but without demarcations it's not really graphic. Those are VERY large districts and the distances vary considerably depending on whether you stay in one part of the bairro or in another (in the case of Moema, north of south).

Jardins (which is the addition of three bairros, Jardim¨Paulista, J.Europa and J.Americano) stretches much norther than your mark. It's in reality delimited north by Av Reboucas and Av Paulista so borders Bela Vista and Consolacao (which themselves border Centro), and south by Ibirapuera Park so borders also Moema.

Moema, also, stretches from Ibirapuera Park to Congonhas (that doesn't even appear on your map) and is a district much bigger than what you marked. I'd say that the distance between Congonhas and Centro is about 12 km.

Same for Pinheiros. Its northern part (where Bomboa is located) is delimited by av Dr Arnaldo and is attenant to Consolacao, thus rather close to Centro. It's a huge bairro indeed.

[QUOTE=Albert Punter]A ride between Moema and Centro can be 30 R and 25 minutes ?Obviously I am considering night-time with no traffic.[/QUOTE]
It's more like 40RS night time.

[QUOTE=Sui Generis]In my mind Moema is better than Jardins or any other locations in Sampa. It's « far » from centro only if you need to hobby down there. Bu why hobby down there? There's everything in Moema. By eveything I mean privês, swing clubs, boates. You're close to Cafe Photo or other places in the same category.[/QUOTE]
Why mongering in Centro? simply because of the best strip clubs in Brasil (Kilt, Vargao, My Love, ect), and above all because of Love Story, the best pick-up club and wildest after hours on the planet! :)

Anyway despite all its wonders (once more, I find Moema being a highly enjoyable neighborhood, as by the way many other neighborhoods in SP, which REALLY doens't deserves its reputation of "ugly city", qualifier that I'd personally better attribute to Rio), Moema is incontestably a bairro for "early-to-bed" persons. There's few night options (but many good restaurants though) and it's not a nighlife district by any means, contrarily to Itaim Bibi/Vila Olimpia, Vila Madalena, Pinheiros or Bela Cintra, where there is literally thousands of venues of all kind.

One other minus of Moema is that there's no Metro station. You have to catch the Linha 1 - first station at 3 km - if you want to go strollling around Centro during daytime (which is really enjoyable and captivating).

Talking about well located great nightlife districts, no one has ever mentionned here the revival of the bairro that is now referred to as Baixo Augusta, the area that stretches along Rua Augusta and the two parallel avenues that flank it, Rua Bela Cintra and Rua Frei Caneca (which was a low-end red-light district, but in the last few years has also become a lounges, upscale restaurants and clubs "bohemian" nightlife area). There is a new Mercure Apartment in this bairro (that is more largely known as Bela Vista), which will be my new favorite place to stay in SP as it is also at walking distance to Jardins, really close to Centro and not far to Pinheiros -and Bomboa, which remains for me the greatest boite in SA.

It looks like 1 less spot. someone can confirm?

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I was reading the older reports. It seems they have already a new location planned?

1st trip in a few weeks. I was planning on at least checking it out but seemed a little overpriced and also seemed a little too "formal" for my tastes at least from the pictures at there website.

Prosal,

your knowledge of SP is huge....for how long did you live here ? Cause I guess if one come just for short term holidays needs a lot of time to get to your level of knowledge here.

Did you ever miss the fact there is no sea here ?

I mean how did you kill the time during the day waiting for start the night life at the evening ?