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This conversation seems to have arisen in both the Palace and Oase threads.

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub;1305488]I've seen girls charging Italians, Chinese, Americans etc. 500€/1h no extras, telling me, pointing out these guys and laughing their ass off. Then I took them for the room for standard rates and excellent service. If you support this. Your money. It's you the girls are laughing about.[/QUOTE]I don't have your experience clubbing or your perspective. However, this case would certainly be the fools getting ripped off. I do believe there is a difference between fools wasting money and travellers compromising with what seems to be the way of the world, at least at Palace.

While personally I prefer to pay the standard rates, on my last trip to the Palace I met a guy who willingly pays triple the rate, and the girls were certainly not laughing at him, though he was also a regular. Also, the line 'It's you the girls are laughing about' may overestimate the extent to which the girls have an objective, stable opinion at all. Also, we should not in general be so affected by what the girls think, let their supposed stable opinions (for really, what she says will differ from monger to monger, and there is no truth behind all the lies) have any effect on our self-perception. I only care what a handful of girls think of me, the rest it's just not worth it.

[QUOTE=Free Dude;1305354]It seems an obvious thing that people can pay what they want; but all this willingness to overpay does screw things up for other mongers. Especially tourists (I'm quite sure London Traveler doesn't fir this description BTW) that first ask a whole lot of questions on this board, and than bust their bankroll in a single weekend, are in essence punishing the regulars that were so kind to provide info (the Hessen Bubs of ISG). Palace is already out of the question for me and if my last visits are anything to go by, Oase is quickly following. If you think the marketprice of sex is higher than 50, that might only be the case in the 'distorted' market of Frankfurt, in NRW it is clearly lower than 50 (cheaper longer sessions, Acapulco).[/QUOTE]I see what you're saying. My only suggestion though is that it is not just the tourists who inflate the prices, but the girls themselves. They are wh0res after all. They are fundamentally our enemies, though they may become our friends to oppose us.

What I'm saying is obvious, of course. But given that you're upset about the situation, shouldn't the old-fashioned method of blaming the women also be considered?

Otherwise, I concede you have much more data on the matter than I do.

[QUOTE=Mohab; 1304021]I have noticed a trend which ok to a point is quite amusing with regards to our rumanian starlet beauties which dominate our clubs. Of course this is due to a natural flow of economics ie little job prospects / money leading to increased earnings found in the richer western european countries. Please do not take this post in the wrong way by any means but it MIGHT interest some readers to do a wikipedia search on rumania and to learn about the great cities for eg constanta on the black sea coast / the culture history etc. At the very least I feel this can only lead to a greater understanding of these lovely girls who for some strange reason keep on denying they are from rumania? Very strange. I would even go as far to say that your private room time will be improved by possessing at least a basic knowledge of the in's and out's of this amazing country steeped in history / you would at least on some level then be able to "relate" to the girls more and even understand where they are coming from. Call me melodramatic if you want but if the clubs are 70% rumanian inhabited whenever I have talked about rumania to the girls mentioning the different cities / geographical locations etc I have found a marked response from the girls even one of surprise and the conversation can go from mechanical zimmerbaby to a far more interesting interaction which can only increase the likelyhood of a better session. It sounds crazy but as this is a forum where members are allowed to freely express myself I have just done that exactly!

Thanks,

Mohab[/QUOTE]Mohab, excellent advice. I will make it a point to learn something about Romania, and even some Romanian phrases. Maybe something about Hungary too! No doubt that when there is a bit of a personal connection, things get hotter. Everyone wants to be treated with respect, even pros.

Whoever pays 500 Euros is really silly, no matter how rich they are.

I have only been to one FKK ever, Goldentime in Vienna. I have been to a lot of brothels in Prague etc though. I am always aware of the price and would never pay over the standard rate unless I have negotiated some serious extras, and even then not much more.

I love OWO, but I never pay for it. In fact some girls rim me in Goldentime and I never pay for that as well.

Did you really see someone do that? Even if they are dead drunk, they are completely stupid then. I thought in all these places the standard price was well known.

I will be in Frankfurt for a short period in September, and it so happens that one of my available days will be Saturday. 15 September, the last evening of the large Automechanika messe. Having read past reports, I am familiar with some of the trade-offs involved with going to Oase, Palace, Mainhattan, or World during that particular messe.

From what I have read, Oase, Mainhattan, and Palace will all likely be packed with girls before 10 pm, so any would be good choices for going early. World may be a little depleted with girls heading to other clubs closer to the city (the above, plus Sharks) to get in on the messe action. But later in the evening, Oase, Mainhattan, and Palace will likely be flooded with men. Based on what I have read, this sounds pretty awful: some men walking around fully clothed, girls in full-on processor mode, overcrowded public areas, etc. Some of these clubs may be better at dealing with the influx of men (sounds like Mainhattan may be better than Oase in this regard?).

My question is this: If you had to choose a club in which to spend that evening, which would you choose and why? I would be particularly grateful to hear from local or senior members or others who have experience visiting clubs during this particular messe. I wasn't planning to rent a car, but if people strongly suggest that World is the way to go, I would consider trying to get access to one.

Thanks

[QUOTE=UmichaLex; 1304621]Thanks a ton Rocketboy and LJ for those detailed insight. As always, experts tend to have different opinions on a given topic and its is ultimately left to the reader to analyze those opinions and make an informed decision. I guess I`ll just wait for LJ to report on his experience in Zurich and Berlin after that if I am still in a dilemma over which city to monger along with Berlin, I guess I`ll toss a coin to decide. BTW, you guys mention some girls will be away for summer vacation and that might put a drain on the talent available anywhere in Europe, so I was wondering when dose this summer vacation end. Reason I ask this is because I am to an extend flexible with my flight schedule and maybe I can decide when I want to visit EU. Well given this will be my 1st Mongering trip, I do not mind splurging for GFE with some fine hotties.

Alex[/QUOTE]Dear Alex, I was forced to reschedule my plans for a mongering trip this weekend due to medical procedure of a family member, so my Zurich / Berlin mongering trip will not take place this weekend as planned. My trip to Europe has been rescheduled to the end of August for the first weekend in September (a long holiday weekend in the USA). On the new plan, I will be in Zurich on August 30 and will report about it then, so if you were waiting to hear about my observations in FKK Globe and the Zurich scene before deciding which city to visit after your Berlin visit, my report on Globe will be delayed by several weeks. I also decided to take my own advice to you and to head to the FKK's in the Frankfurt area for that weekend instead of Berlin. Artemis is still on my to do list, but will have await a trip later this year, possibly in October.

Hope your trip works out well. I'm sure you will have great fun and an interesting time whichever of the cities under discussion you choose to monger in on the return from your Berlin visit.

LJ

[QUOTE=KPete;1305557]My question is this: If you had to choose a club in which to spend that evening, which would you choose and why? I would be particularly grateful to hear from local or senior members or others who have experience visiting clubs during this particular messe. I wasn't planning to rent a car, but if people strongly suggest that World is the way to go, I would consider trying to get access to one.[/QUOTE]I am going to be attending the messe and will choose to go to World Sep 15. Simple because I don't want to risk a sausageparty. I have no previous experience with being in FRA during messe, but maybe the regulars would share their experience. Would be nice to know!

[QUOTE=Sucker17;1306134]I am going to be attending the messe and will choose to go to World Sep 15. Simple because I don't want to risk a sausageparty. I have no previous experience with being in FRA during messe, but maybe the regulars would share their experience. Would be nice to know![/QUOTE]This is exactly the same reason why I newer attend Hannover clubs during the messe. I would rather drive to Padedorn (FKK Harem) to avoid any chance to meet someone who might know my face, which is pretty known in the industry.

[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1306086]Dear Alex, I was forced to reschedule my plans for a mongering trip this weekend due to medical procedure of a family member, so my Zurich / Berlin mongering trip will not take place this weekend as planned. My trip to Europe has been rescheduled to the end of August for the first weekend in September (a long holiday weekend in the USA).

LJ[/QUOTE]Hey JL,

Ah man! I thought you will be reporting on Globe today. Jokes apart, sorry to hear about the medical procedure of your family member and appreciate you giving me a heads up about the change in your plans. Well even my trip got delayed and now I will be hopefully heading there during mid Sept. I kinda solved my 2nd city to monger dilemma by deciding upon going to Manchester to catch a game after hopefully fun time in Berlin. Going by the Manchester thread, it looks like it is not such a promising place for mongering, so my mongering adventure will be limited to Berlin. Next time, I`ll try to stop by Frankfurt along with either Zurich or Vienna next time.

Good for you that you choose the tried and tested path of FKK`s at Frankfurt. I live in the states as well so I know about the 1st weekend of spet. Anyway, have a blast at FKKs of Frankfurt and Globe a tZurich and once again thanks for the great suggestions on everything.

Alex

How does Oktoberfest affect the fkk's in FRA and NRW (ie. Lots more guys? Drunk guys? More or less girls?)

Oktoberfest does not affect clubs in Hessen or Frankfurt.

Big Messe events in Frankfurt do effect mainly Palace and Oase, to some extent Mainhattan, Sharks only a little and World not at all.

HB

Any reason why I can't find any info on Das Sudfass in Frankfurt?

[url]http://www.dassudfass.de/site/index.php[/url]

Ta!

[QUOTE=Breadman; 1297570]I've done it several times, you never know just how determined the girl is with getting that 50 euro's. One time I had the girl sitting on my lap at Oase on one of those couch's by the rooms, waiting for one to open. It took 15 minutes for one to free up, massaging her back (not groping). Things looked good until we get in the room and the first thing out of her mouth is 'I can only do BJ, your too big for me'. At which point I said "ok, forget about it then". She then demanded 50 euro's for having to wait for the room. Told her that wasn't going to happen and kept on walking. You don't know if she's going to follow you and make a scene, just start walking.

Another trick is the girl starts with 69 so she can slip a condom on for the BJ. She knows guys are apt to quit the session if she insists on a CBJ. Had this happen on my last trip, she's already sucking away so its too late to duck out of the room. So did the only other thing possible, fucked her hard for the rest of the session. She kept on saying 'you cum yet? ' which I'd reply "I always cum fast with a BBBJ but since you don't do that, we'll have to finish this way' and I'd keep on pounding away. After a weeks worth of BBBJ's, you don't feel shit with a CBJ.

And don't forget the end of the hour trick of trying to trick you into staying past the half hour. This is where the girl will ask if its ok to smoke afterwards, lights up and tries to start a conversation. The conversation is usually forced, you can tell the questions she's asking are a delay tactic to get you to forget about the time. She wants to show up to the money lockers at the 40 minute mark and tell you its 100 euro's, not 50. Yeah, you have to wait for the girl to get dressed, clean up the mess and all. Anything longer than 3 minutes and you have to wonder if she's trying for the extra 50. Only once did I actually leave the room and head back to the lockers, I wanted to be at the bar waiting so she couldn't say I overstayed in the room. Amazing how fast she got dressed after I said I'll meet you at the bar.[/QUOTE]Excellent advice about the smoking bit. I got burned by that at Oase. A 50E cigarette, no thanks! Keep your eye on your watch unless you are planning a true GFE session for hours.

[QUOTE=Go123; 1306258]Any reason why I can't find any info on Das Sudfass in Frankfurt?

[url]http://www.dassudfass.de/site/index.php[/url]

Ta![/QUOTE]Don't know why. Here's my review from a couple of years ago:

[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?1100-Other-FKK-Clubs&p=1025677#post1025677[/url]

Myr.

[QUOTE=Myrmidon; 1306518]Don't know why. Here's my review from a couple of years ago:

[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?1100-Other-FKK-Clubs&p=1025677#post1025677[/url]

Myr.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that Myrmidon.

Seems like a quite place 2 yrs ago. More local clientele perhaps.

Wonder what the opening of Mainhatten just a short distance away has lowered or made better the line up?

Did the "Search" option before but nothing came up.

May be worth a look.

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1306236]Oktoberfest does not affect clubs in Hessen or Frankfurt.

Big Messe events in Frankfurt do effect mainly Palace and Oase, to some extent Mainhattan, Sharks only a little and World not at all.

HB[/QUOTE]How come Mainhattan is less affected than Oase? My guess would be that most messe-guys would go to the more central clubs like Palace, Mainhattan, hell even Sudfass and to some extent Oase? Wouldn't Oase be too far away for these 'tourists'?