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Just like the other priceing things, this thing can differ from day to day and from club to club. At some point in time they had this in VV, but then not anymore. Dietzenbach is the only place where they have been adhering to this rule consistently (as far as I know).
I came back only 3 weeks after my last trip, this is what I found.
For different reasons not necessary to be listed, Nadia, Sabrina 2 (about 3 months old in the club), Maya (about 3 weeks old, now said to be in Dietzenbach) and Nicole 2 don't work there anymore.
The latter actually had lasted only 3 days, she often wasn't feeling well, but it had been a good zimmer. A couple of hours later she had vomited (not because of me, LOL!) but kept working. She must obviously have started working without any test nor medical visit. I think I can say that must be common practice, at least in these clubs (I can't speak about normal non AO FKKs), since she wasn't the first one walking in and starting off in the last 2-3 months, in different clubs. Luckily her health problem was nothing contagious. I didn't want to post this kind of details, but, come on, if we accept AO we accept whatever may come along with it.
Alexandra is back, she got slimmer and now is blondish, absolutely not as attractive as the first time I saw her, when I gaped on the doorstep. Customers continue to complain about her (dis) services, at least among other customers (I don't know if they speak to TFs), including me, which strengthens the concept, since I obviously don't speak german. Also in forums there are complaints, I think the club won't keep her much longer, but now Arabella is in shortage of girls and, mostly, of beauty and fuckability, and new customers entering will go straight to her.
Raissa got even slimmer, I wonder if she weighs 40 kgs, she is left with her long hair and her unalterable boobs. I think she got the best implants on earth, I've been exploring her breast and armpits trying not to be eyecatching and I couldn't find traces of cuts. Discussed the matters with other customers, we agreed that it is a real mistery.
Silvia was on her last day, she said she wants to quit.
There was a new bulgarian girl, Anna, if I'm not mistaken she does anal too, like most of bulgarians. She's nearly the same size and height of Michaela, who was on duty too, along with Denisa, Maria, Sandra, Sarah and a Romanian girl in the club since 2-3 months, always on her own, maybe her name is Alina. Apart from slim, short anal MILF Maria, for a laughter I would say I'd see better the group listed above in a mud-fighting action, I don't say sumo fighting because they are not at that point, at least not yet, LOL! Anyway they have great skills in bed and affectionated customers, so let's leave them where they are, I just wanted to joke underlining their physical strength and mass.
Aida was off. By the way, I found out why she had left earlier on that day in May I posted about: a customer had noticed she had a "pussy problem", she got cured and came back after 2-3 weeks, I gladly sessioned with her (not knowing about that) in the beginning of June.
MILF Michelle was off, I haven't seen her since April, but I think this week she was back, there's a new post in her section in Freiercafe.
Gaby was off. When I came back in March, she was more or less like I had seen her last year, in April she had aged 5-10 years in one go, I don't know if I got that impression because she fattened up a little, because she changed her haircut and / or whatever else, anyway she is back after a break of about one month, she was said to be sick, but I don't know of what.
Obviously not everything that I'm told is true or believable, so I always keep room for doubts. It has happened that girls check my card to see with whom I had been before, since among them supposedly there was someone sick. I never listened to that, because it wouldn't make any difference, since a taunted apple would spoil all of them, I just classified that as simple envy, revenge or stuff like that. Also, if that had been true and known, why would the supposed sick girls be left there?
Another example: if you ask whether Sabrina 2 is back or not, Renata will say she is on holiday, Ana will say she's ill, truth is she's back in Bucharest and 99,99% she won't return.
Conclusion: IMHO, at the moment Arabella is not worth a visit, the club has no girls, in quality and quantity, and nearly not even customers, at least that's what I saw and heard.
FD,
You are such a mine of info, what a pity that you don't post in this thread but write mostly in normal FKK section.
These clubs have strange, absurd rules: did you know that girls have to receive sperm in their mouths in half of their sessions and in their pussies for the other half? Probably anal counts apart, since not all girls do it. That's why sometimes they ask you to finish in their mouths or "cheat" when going to declare to TFs what was done in the room, sometimes "cheating" also the customer or agreeing a version with him. I thought they were lazy to go to wash their pussies...
[QUOTE=EastGoing;1596431]it seems that if you want to repeat with the same girl you will have to pay double price every session. This new rule supposedly was effective from Monday.
I was in Arabella and one of the girls informed me, but not all of them knew about it. Anyway, I sessioned twice with the same girl, who didn't know about that (I'm sure she didn't pretend to ignore it to avoid losing a session), but still paid 30. Between the 2 sessions I took another girl, but this doesn't affect the new rule.[/QUOTE]It probably does affect the new rule. In Villa Romantika, where you have to pay upfront choosing between one, two, or three sessions, you can session twice (but not thrice) with the same girl only if you choosed the 3 x option.
[QUOTE=EastGoing;1596715]FD,
You are such a mine of info, what a pity that you don't post in this thread but write mostly in normal FKK section.
These clubs have strange, absurd rules: did you know that girls have to receive sperm in their mouths in half of their sessions and in their pussies for the other half? Probably anal counts apart, since not all girls do it. That's why sometimes they ask you to finish in their mouths or "cheat" when going to declare to TFs what was done in the room, sometimes "cheating" also the customer or agreeing a version with him. I thought they were lazy to go to wash their pussies...[/QUOTE]I didn't know about this rule, but I do know the girls always want FT, even though they don't like it. I pretty much always tell them to tell the TF whatever they want, what do I care. But it is kind of ridiculous that it is more important what they do, than what the clients want.
[QUOTE=Varenne;1597101]It probably does affect the new rule. In Villa Romantika, where you have to pay upfront choosing between one, two, or three sessions, you can session twice (but not thrice) with the same girl only if you choosed the 3 x option.[/QUOTE]
So Romantika changed price structure: as I posted, when I had been there in May I had paid 60 entrance with one zimmer included, 30 euros for the following sessions. About zimmering a different girl between 2 rooms with the same one, also a guy in freiercafe wrote it doesn't make any difference, you still should pay 60. Another guy wrote that Arabella is not using it (in this moment, they should be crazy). Or maybe I was just lucky.
And in Verena I zimmered the same girl twice consecutive in 5 minutes, actually after some 15, because we stayed on sofa some 10 minutes. Interesting in this club, I noticed that girls don't go to TF before zimmering to take keys, so actually she doesn't know how long a girl stays with a customer and if she's in the room or not. In fact it was me insisting to come out of the room after more than 40-45 minutes, also because I was worried about the rule of paying 120 for one hour (which works in Arabella). I asked the girls about this rule and they didn't know about that, I was worried that they may try to cheat me, being new to the club. After the third room I realized the matter of the key and understood that the girls were in good faith. It was my first visit, next time I'll pay more attention to this detail, since it seems too good to be true to me, even if it would make sense: a girl willing to stay longer with you can take longer time on the couch before zimmering, and action can be started and carried out also out of the room.
[QUOTE=FreeDude;1597202]I didn't know about this rule, but I do know the girls always want FT, even though they don't like it. I pretty much always tell them to tell the TF whatever they want, what do I care. But it is kind of ridiculous that it is more important what they do, than what the clients want.[/QUOTE]
This rule seems to be very strict and very important: I found it out a couple of months ago, during a post-zimmer "interview" about the fact that I had repeated a girl. On my card there was written AO / FT, interviewers "congratulated". I asked what it meant, the answer was that I had fucked without condom and finished in mouth. A shy "did I?" escaped me. One of the interviewers jumped off the sofa like if there had been fire on it, she said she knew I always CIP (been with me a few times, knowing me since last year), the other one (same "status", just 2 rooms) endorsed the matter and they rushed to speak to TF like if they had found a bomb ticking (after loudly speaking to the other girls in Romanian about the scandal). Of course my attempts to say it was true were badly rejected. Anyway, TF was Ana, too good and tranquil character to get engaged in discussions or give trouble to the girls (even if you complain about having been refused by 3 girls, she won't even ask you who or why, nor she'll discuss the matter when club closes) and the culprit was "topscorer" of the club, so nothing happened.
All of us surely have been asked by some girls to finish in mouth, whether before or during the session, in all AO clubs, which proves how important it is. I find it stupid, since I don't see the point (I don't think girls get bonuses for that), it can be disappointing for the customers, and can anyway be bypassed by agreeing a version or not interfering with the custom declaration.
BTW, there are normally other 3 possible declarations, excluding anal: - FT; - AO; - Normal, which includes just talking, massages, pratically non sexual activities. I'm not sure if it applies also to covered sex, since in this case girls explicitely say "mit guhmi".
Another little curiosity: the pics by the counter state what girls do, and all of them have a "spezialitat". It's always one of the two: anal (very few) or schlucken (the very most, in english means they swallow). Well, as far as I know, very little by personal experience (a few times I have asked for a little blowing after CIPping, just for girls to taste my essence) but a lot by speaking with them, none of the girls in Arabella swallow! Currently and in previous months for sure. Even a TF confirmed that, and all posts I read in other forums, when giving full details, say that girls spit out in tissues. I would think it is the same in other clubs.
What I wrote in this post applies surely to Arabella, I don't know about the other clubs. For instance, I have noticed that Ana even asks you a name (accepting even an openly declared fictitious one, different in different visits) to put on your card, Renata doesn't.
In Venus, Barbara collects my card after the first zimmer, but still girls have to make declarations, so she must be taking notes.
I don't remember about Grimberg and Romantika, but in Verena TF used Renata's procedure.
after the delusion of arabella, which i found in conditions even worse than those of march, i decided to try somewhere else, the choice fell on venus.
the atmosphere was quiet and relaxed, some 15 girls on duty, 4-5 punters, barbara was in good mood (someone is banging her too? lol!).
larissa was back, no trace of the new (supposed) superstar jasmine, whom i had already tried without great satisfaction, the new bianca was the karina who had left arabella in may, with the new haircomb i hadn't recognized her even in my quick previous visit. the rest of the crew i had already seen all, more or less.
anal: magda (ro), michaela (ro), melly (ro), bony (bul, really small and bony, not to be confused with bonnie ex arabella, at least once and a half bigger), bahar (bul / tur), plus 1-2 more (probably bulgarians) i don't remember.
new face to me was natalie (ro), sociable, cheerful, always joking, with a perennial, captivating inviting smile on her ok face. decent body in that messe of cellulitis and skeletons (no middle ways, apart masculine twin sisters lily and maja). her body was opposing some resistance to the enhanced force of gravity of the club, even if she'd be much better with at least 5-6 kgs less. she must be 1,70 tall, with strange tolerable (can i say nice?) handles of love, nice boobs, she starts going off the rails by her hips downwards, has a phrase tattooed on the right one. we became friends very soon and zimmered. nothing extraordinary, but funny and surely recommendable. even after zimmering, she entertained me a lot, i set my record of permanence in vv, over 6 hours (i would have stayed more if closing time hadn't approached), thanks to her and... to elena, the girl who had assisted me a couple of months before, after laura's departure.
she had been the first one smiling to me when i arrived, but i didn't even remember sessioning with her (like had happened with ex-karina, i nearly ignored her as well), however her bright smile had sent a subliminal message to my unminding eyes, i couldn't help noticing it among the "normal" other ones.
i was pushed in her arms by natalie and other 3-4 girls who teamed up for the purpose. not that i had found any particular attraction for other candidates, i could have chosen nearly any, all from a low level, the "less worse", but no one would light any spark. mind you, pratically no other customers around, and instead of trying to hook me up, they wanted me to go with elena at all costs. i couldn't believe it, that's nice solidarity, i can't imagine anything like that among the envies, selfishnesses and rivalries i always came across (even heavily, having even been involved in "disputes" more than once) in arabella, where they normally fight even only after who has to go to the washing machine for the towels.
the problem was that the girl hadn't had any session that day and she was very sad also for her own other matters. i too was in "despair" from the day before. we put together our sorrows and had great time, in and out of the room. as i wrote, she has too many kgs in excess, but is very sweet. i found out she's a fantastic, participative, enthusiastic, tireless, even exigent kisser, what had i missed out on the first day i had met her! her long curly black hair surround a very pretty face, beautiful eyes, nose, mouth, smile (for perfectionists, she has one tooth missing, but nearly out of sight). she kisses with an extraordinary "illusion-factor", uncomparable to the many heartless-just-tongue-whirling girls, who rave at light-speed like pointless tilted machines, like grimberg's lily, or raissa when she is in a hurry, and i'm mentioning girls i appreciate and recommend.
luckily physically elena is not my kind of girl, so i could enjoy the (real) gfe without risking to fall for her, lol!
when i went with her the first time, i was worried that my dick wouldn't respond, and actually he took some time, but now it did even too much. by concentrating in cowgirl or, better, mish on her kisses and face (and aoing), it was not a problem at all.
i left happy and satisfied.
p.s. i was supposed to meet the following day a guy and 2 friends of him that i had met in grimberg time ago. he wanted to meet up back there, i told him to read freiercafe, about the diseases episod. he called me later, thanked me and suggested arabella. i described him the desolation, the losses, the possibilities, in the end we agreed venus.
day 2 will follow.
Surprised Elena has so few zimmers. I also had a great session with her (some while ago), and she does have a pretty face. Nathalie used to be called Lori in Dietzenbach (and was a bit slimmer back then) and is a fun, fun girl.
One of the reasons I haven't been to VV for a while is that I usually have sessioned with about 80% of the girls and the new ones aren't that interesting. That's a general thing in the RTC world, many girls that have been there for ages and if you go to a new RTC, you'll normally see a few familiar faces.
[QUOTE=FreeDude;1597582]Surprised Elena has so few zimmers. I also had a great session with her (some while ago), and she does have a pretty face. Nathalie used to be called Lori in Dietzenbach (and was a bit slimmer back then) and is a fun, fun girl.[/QUOTE]
I think the real problem could be the lack of customers, that's why girls fight angrily for them in all clubs, and that's why I was so impressed by her colleagues trying to drive me to Elena, which I did not take as a sacrifice anyway, even before discovering her qualities. Only Natalie was making rooms, the other girls hardly made one zimmer, most of them 0.
I spent 4 days in 3 clubs for 6-8 hours daily, I pratically closed every evening, only from Verena I left at 22,40 worried to find a way to go back to Duisburg and thinking they were to close, instead they told me they close at midnight! The only club who stays open the hours written by the entrances!
Anyway, in those days the maximum of men I counted was 11, for less than 3 hours, in day 2 in Venus, but I was in a group of 4 and there was a group of 5 italians. For the rest, I remember being hardly 5-6 punters present at the same time, in any day in all clubs.
Maybe in summer time customers take holidays, or perhaps it is also what you say about being more or less always the same girls, also not that attractive.
[QUOTE]in the RTC world, many girls that have been there for ages and if you go to a new RTC, you'll normally see a few familiar faces.[/QUOTE]
True: in Verena I had planned to keep secret my knowledge of Romanian language, hoping to be treated like a normal customer, maybe not as much as an old german lad, but at least not as "one of them" (referred to the girls, who normally, due also to me looking young, treat me like if we were friends in a disco and not a customer paying prostitutes in a brothel), which has plenty of pros but can have also a few downsides. I had entered with an english speaking german guy, I thought it was a good start. Come out of the shower, I entered the lounge and somebody greeted me in extremely friendly Romanian, saying words that normally couldn't be understood by a non-Romanian speaker. I turned my head, it was Stefania, last year in Arabella, now her name is Anna. The funny side is that at that time I was a 0 in that language, so I said I couldn't understand, she said she knew I was lying, which means that girls anyway are in touch (in fact eventually she gave me a few updates). However a few seconds after arrived also one of the 6-7 girls I had met in Romantika in May, I don't know her names in the 2 clubs, anyway she well knew that I was fluent, so I surrendered. In less than 5 minutes it was like if I had been in that club since a few years, as usual, with the girls playing with their (new here) toy, the fact of having only 4 men in the club at that moment made things even easier. Finally I spotted ex Venus Bianca. She being very professional, as usual, just greeted me but kept distances. Note: she was the only one of the 3 already met who I had zimmered, anyway I chose girls new to me.
Guys, thanks for updating this thread.
I been at Grimberg and Arabella last March and I had alot of fun.
Will be back in NRW next October, and I would like make a great tour around some of this club (Grimberg, Villa Venus, Verena, Arabella, Romantika, Alina).
Your information and advice will be very important to help me to decide which are the best club.
Keep it up.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=EastGoing;1597311]So Romantika changed price structure: as I posted, when I had been there in May I had paid 60 entrance with one zimmer included, 30 euros for the following sessions. About zimmering a different girl between 2 rooms with the same one, also a guy in freiercafe wrote it doesn't make any difference, you still should pay 60. Another guy wrote that Arabella is not using it (in this moment, they should be crazy). Or maybe I was just lucky.
And in Verena I zimmered the same girl twice consecutive in 5 minutes, actually after some 15, because we stayed on sofa some 10 minutes. Interesting in this club, I noticed that girls don't go to TF before zimmering to take keys, so actually she doesn't know how long a girl stays with a customer and if she's in the room or not. In fact it was me insisting to come out of the room after more than 40-45 minutes, also because I was worried about the rule of paying 120 for one hour (which works in Arabella). I asked the girls about this rule and they didn't know about that, I was worried that they may try to cheat me, being new to the club. After the third room I realized the matter of the key and understood that the girls were in good faith. It was my first visit, next time I'll pay more attention to this detail, since it seems too good to be true to me, even if it would make sense: a girl willing to stay longer with you can take longer time on the couch before zimmering, and action can be started and carried out also out of the room.[/QUOTE]There is no mention of a entrance fee on their website.
The only information on price is ;29.95 for 30 minutes.
Have they changed the price stucture once again?
[QUOTE=Whorist;1597849]There is no mention of a entrance fee on their website.
The only information on price is ;29.95 for 30 minutes.
Have they changed the price stucture once again?[/QUOTE]Entrance fee to all the clubs is 30 E. But I'd you buy a Bild zeitung, you often can get free entry in some of the clubs or get the chance to have the old 40-70-90 pricing. Your best bet is a Bild from Munsterland, but the Ruhrgebiet Bild's might also have some coupons. Just check, the adds / coupons are always on the next to last page.
I arrived before 3 pm, my friends were already there. Again Barbara in great mood, even greeting me warmly. Until 1-2 months ago she had always been quite impersonal towards me, maybe I conquered her when I had told her that I was wishing she had been working in Arabella, since she is a great TF, capable of keeping situation under control and make girls work properly.
The rest was more or less like yesterday. Elena was still a bit in crisis, the fact of seeing me soothed her, I had told her I would have very likely come back. Natalie had her smile printed on her face, was sitting beside her with another girl, they left me alone nursing the sad honey. We shouldn't forget that these machines are also human beings, facing quite hard lives. I remembered in my previous trip a zimmer had in Arabella, a girl spoke 22 minutes (!) on the phone, I listened to all the conversation with the crying children and her unaware father, who was taking care of them in Romania, all the lies, all the excuses, all the promises, etc.
Anyway, Elena recovered very quickly and we did what we had to do, I'd say she enjoyed it too (she said so and thanked me, but we know these girls are good actresses). Between couch and room, nearly one hour and a half. I went to rest by my friends, but I would keep an eye on her, inspite of knowing she was in good hands, her colleagues' hands, in Arabella it would be more likely that colleagues give the coupe de grace.
On my way, I spotted a new face walking around aimlessly, actually going to hide. Short, slim, average face with a lost-in-space-expression on her face. Another deb, this time there were no doubts about she having worked somewhere else. First day ever in the business, WTF, I had to try, just for the sake of it! The fact of "deflowering" a girl lit in me the spark that I normally don't have in Venus, otherwise she wouldn't look worth a zimmer. Also, I couldn't go only with Elena and I already explained about my (lack of) attraction for the rest of the crew, apart some for Natalie.
On the sofa she was quite tough, pratically I was trying to approach a normal girl, LOL!, and she seemed to refuse me aggressively, inspite of her shy look. My friend tried to be moderator, we had discussed who should have gone first and he left the honour (?) to me, since I saw her first. After some insistence, she gave in. Going to TF for the key, she made me notice how badly Elena was looking at her, I went to kiss her and promised we would zimmer again later.
In the room we had a bad beginning, pratically continuing what we started on the couch. Not really kissable, basically due to bad breath, worthless blowing, I was not fancying any foreplay with her, so I just decided to go straight to the point: ficken! She hadn't had sex for a lot of time, she explained to me some personal facts not necessary to be disclosed, but I didn't care that much about them being true or not, I had already had my share of sad stories and I was disappointed for the way things were going in the room. Anyway, after struggling to put my dick inside, I could see how unused to sex she was and that aroused me a lot. In brief, I fucked her in quite a few positions, staying in the room for over 50 minutes. Our window was open over the garden, she kept screamingand groaning, heartily and genuinely, for all the time, she moaned at each stroke. I could imagine, nearly hear the laughters outside. She had long nails which she used to plow my back on mish, while biting my chest, neck and arms. I enjoyed it tremendously but I had to change position to avoid needing stitches, however she would always find the way to plant her nails wherever she could, when she was not pulling me towards her. I even felt my dick receiving at least 2 showers. When we finally walked downstairs, I can't tell you about the comments and interviews, I got congratulations, so funny. I paid the 30 euros expecting overcharges or reproaches, but everything was fine. Then she disappeared, declaring being broken down.
I visited Elena and went back to my friends in the garden, where I got applauses, if there had been pens in the club, maybe I would have had to sign autographs! A couple of hours later, my friend unearthed and zimmered her, but they came back quickly downstairs because she couldn't perform, onlookers laughed for that, but my friend and specially Barbara didn't, I felt sorry for this girl whose name I don't even remember for sure.
Eventually, I kept my word with Elena. One reproach: towards the end of the session, probably thinking to be funny, I don't think to "punish" me, she sucked my tongue out my mouth, pratically I couldn't use it anymore. I couldn't unload either, but it didn't matter.
She asked me to go back the following day, I told her that I couldn't go there everyday and not only for her, underlining my regret for not being able to kiss her anymore, but I reassured her we would meet soon.
Got out at closing time, a bit worried for my war injuries but wishing to have been able to stay longer. A memorable day, I had lot of fun with my friends and the girls, I hope to have other days like this.
P. S. Whorist, read well, Varenne wrote that, not me ;-)
[QUOTE=Whorist;1597849]There is no mention of a entrance fee on their website.
The only information on price is ;29.95 for 30 minutes.
Have they changed the price stucture once again?[/QUOTE]Last time I was there it was free entry, and you had to pay up-front for all the sessions. At happy hour time (10-12 and after 21) prices were: 1 x40,2 x70,3 x90. I think at other times it's 1 x60,2 x90,3 x110.