Angeles City

[quote=blackangst]there aree a few listed in a google search. many of them quote the same bs we've heard for years.

i.e. (quote from one from a report in 1997) of 500 prostitutes in angeles city, 75% are children. (sol. f. juvida, "philippines - children: scourge of child prostitution," ips, 12 october 1997) (chris: this is wrong according to a barowner there; there are now 2500-3000 girls in foreiger-oriented bars, with about 2/3 under 18.

whether or not by choice, men on sex tours inevitably buy **** girls. (new south wales legislator meredith burgmann, "aussie sex tours still flourishing,"


66%? rofl[/quote]

you are right, 1997 is almost thirteen years ago, did the dinasours roam the earth back then. i would also say there must be upwards of 50,000 girls in all the bars around ac. if there is an "****" girl in a bar, and they do sneak in with fake birth certificates, its more likely she is 17 soon to be 18. and there is absolutely no way even 5% percent are ****, let alone 2/3rds. and if you are person inclined to **** girls, and there are a few who come to this town, this is the wrong town for you. people will turn you in (including the foreigners here), most hotels will report you, the police will try to catch you, and it is one of the few things of corruption here where no one will have any sympathy for you.

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]BTW, my barfine ratio is about 75% waitresses and 25% dancers.[/QUOTE]

I just came back from AC. This time, I've noticed the waitresses are more aggressive about pitching themselves to get drinks or get barfined. In the past, they would try to get you to pick a girl off the stage instead.

I wonder if there is tension between the dancers and the waitresses as a result.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend]I just came back from AC. This time, I've noticed the waitresses are more aggressive about pitching themselves to get drinks or get barfined. In the past, they would try to get you to pick a girl off the stage instead.

I wonder if there is tension between the dancers and the waitresses as a result.[/QUOTE]


I've only barfined two waitresses, but neither worked out very well, and were really disappointing. I'll stick to dancers, but thats just my opinion.

Today met a bargirl I know for quite some time.
After some minutes I realized her belly...---> Clearly pregnant!
Yes, she said, already 6 months.

Asked her about the father, she said an Aussie.
Asked her whether he takes care... No.
She said he even does not know and she'll give the baby away.
Free for adoption or so.

OMG, when I would make a girl pregnant, IMO I'd like to know and take care.

Just strange and sad, such stories.
Good luck for this innocent baby......

Cheers!

[QUOTE=FurryFriend]I just came back from AC. This time, I've noticed the waitresses are more aggressive about pitching themselves to get drinks or get barfined.[/QUOTE]It's high high season and the dynamics seem a bit strange. The best girls are pretty much permanently bought out. Huge numbers of others still dancing, but generally low in quality, and many of them really aren't interested in barfines. They're satisfied just working for their daily wage. Some won't even make eye contact with customers. So one result is that the waitresses have gotten very gung-ho. Had a delightful one this afternoon, except what I took to be a Jollibelly was actually a pregnancy!

About to make my third trip to AC. Haven't been there in a year. Any news about good/cheap hotels that are close to the action?

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]A.Santos is "Blow Road" ... why do you think they were all screaming out Bj's.[/QUOTE]Hahaha. I guess Ignorance really CAN be Bliss. Thanks for the clarification. One of the local ex pat's told me it was much closer to VFW end of Perimeter which was the source of my confusion. If there is an "alternate" BJ row. Please advise.

Thanks

[quote=aussiec]well election time is here mates! word is casi cielo was raided yesterday. for those that not know where it is, its located behind orchid inn off raymond street. i had just got back to sydney and my friend contacted me of events there. to bad cause i had met "baby" there and she was a true beauty.

from what i am told several vans pulled up with plain clothes nbi and close bar down and escorted the ladies out. my sourse says a former worker reported the bar as not having proper papers for workers and alledged some were or may have been not of age.

we can expect more raids like this considering elections are less than 3 months away and the politicians want to put on show. would love to hear if anyone saw the raids. take care mates.

there website of casi cielo is now down but i have pic of baby before site went down. very beautiful lady. very shy but willing to please.[/quote]
oct 2009 found this place but imo most of the girls looked to be babys ****.sweaty fat guy sitting out front with laptop looked disgusting didn;t talk to him went inside and saw 2 young boys sitting in there 14 or so i would say want the f is up with that. i left and went next door for to the massage parlor for a 2 hrs session if they got raided i bet it was for ****d girls and maybe boys

Hey all,

I am planning my first trip to AC, unfortunately the only time I can get away from work is during the Easter weekend. Just wondering if it would be worth the visit or would all the lovely LBFMs have left for the holy week.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Mattrick]Why not find out what Cebuana hospitality is all about and fly down to Cebu!? CP flies direct from Clark three times a week. You can hang at a beach by day and enjoy some good nightlife at night!

PS....Don't kid yourself about the volcano as it's no walk in the park. Several tourists died up there a few months back.[/QUOTE]


Hi there - yes, am thinking of it - though it is a big dash in less than a week. I hope I did not upset anyone by my comments on Fields, as I am sure many people feel they have a great time here.

I did the volcano today - not commercialised at all - worth going to Philippines alone for actually I thought.

[quote=matius]not that i outrightly disagree with all you've said, i can't rightly agree with the concept of being conned. a huge majority of the girls come from mindanao, samar and leyete. having been a frequent visitor to all, the girls know exactly what ac is all about, as they do with what occurs in manila. most girls come with a friend or relative, who is already working in ac, if you visit one of these provinces, you will find bar girls all over, back on vacation with their families, so the girl you suggest would have to be dumb as nails not to have heard of ac. of course i speak of girls who are 18 or older, know nothing about bringing **** girls here, if that exists. you also assume their parents have never heard of angeles, although most choose to ignore what it means if their daughter is working there. thus the fiction of being a waitress.

in regards to the concept of economic slavery, most bars have stay-in houses, the cost of which is about 100 to 200 peso per week, at the high end, about one day's salary at most bars. food costs are about 40 to 80 peso per meal for the girl. now the girl may feel she is not making enough money, but salary alone would more than take care of her basic living, not counting ladies drinks.

where i can find common ground is that girls come from the provinces with a niave perspective of what they will end up doing. the know what angeles is, but their first expectation is that they will find mr. right. what they don't realize is that even mr. right is not going to be right unless he first samples the wares. potential mr. right after mr. right cons the girl for that sample until she no longer selects on that basis. also, after one or two disappointments, the money does kick in and these girls get the same sad stories from home that so many on this forum have heard before. someone died, sick, blah, blah, blah, send money.

there are girls in this town, "professional cherry girls", who do not go out for sex, make their money from ladies drinks and salary and if they are pretty enough may eventually find the right guy. its not a total fiction that a girl can come to angeles, keep her virginity, and end up happily married to a good guy.

and as a final perspective, i don't know one girl who works in a bar, who has not seen the bar before working. it would seem pretty hard to con the girl into the bar being anything but what it is, when she walks in to see 50 girls in bikini's and waitress dresses and old men sucking an 18 year old's face in the corner. she may be shy, maybe a little niave, but it is obvious to any girl. as far as other work, there are tons of restaurants, hotels and shops that hire girls, maybe not as much money as the bars, but plenty of opportunities. try to find a simple housekeeper here, then you know there are no lack of jobs for someone willing to work.

but a nice story, does it make the sex better, or did some bar girl tell it to you. ha ha ha[/quote]now some flaws in your perspective. i too have traveled the pi. and just because a places like samar and leyete have ex bar girls there or bar girls who have returned there on vacation.. doesn't mean all the girls on those islands are aware of what is going on. a lot of the girls who go back never admit to what it its they did in ac. most lie and say they were waitress only. very few go back and admit they were selling pussy to get money.

secondly, yes while the girls maybe able to live a meager lifestyle from their salaries, most come to ac thinking they will be able to help the family's situation back home. their parents don't have to lie to them about hardship situations because they already know for a fact their families are living in hardship. so they feel a sense of obligation to help to a degree that we as westerners probably do not feel because our families nor us have live in such dire straits. could you live comfortable, eating all you could, knowing your brothers and sisters, mother and father had nothing but a scrap of meat and rice at best every day.

so the economic pressure becomes, along with the sense of family obligation is what drive most to the point of selling the asses. sure after a while they become comfortable with the idea. but that doesn't mean they came with the idea of doing that in the first place.

also jst because they come and see girls dancing in bikinis they should know that they are going to sell ass. is a far fetch. most are very naive farm girls who have no idea about the world and they way things are done. you see all the time there. the girls clinging to each other. not wanting to make eye contact with a customer. doing what they have to do to make a buck.

but guys want to believe that these girls came to sell ass because guys don't want to feel like they are exploiting the women. i at least admit that i know it is and still take part in the exploitation. i just like to think of myself as one of the nice exploiters.

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For comparison sake, if a girl could find a job as a shop girl over at SM Mall, her average salary is around 4000 php per two weeks. That is ≈US$ 86 at today’s exchange. A school teacher in the Philippines, with a college education, will earn a base salary of around 15,000 php (US$ 325) per month, plus a small pension and health benefits.

Now, let’s look at the average bargirl. I have talked to quite a few of the bargirls along Fields and I feel these general numbers are pretty realistic. The average bargirl … emphasis on average … will pull 2-3 barfines per week (at 600 php for the girl). This is the equivalent of US$ 13 for a full night of sex with a stranger! How do I define average … well I have asked these questions to at least a dozen girls on Fields and they say that out of every 10 bargirls, 5 of them will pull 2-3 barfines per week. By comparison, one or two (1.5) will actually work so hard as to average 5-6 barfines per week, and the remaining 3-4 girls will do considerably less than two barfines in a week.

In addition to the 2-3 barfines per week for the average girl, an “average” tip for a barfine runs ≈300 php.

The third source of income is lady’s drinks. Again, 50% of the girls only down maybe two lady’s drinks per night (at their cut of 50 php @). All the girls tell me this is a good average number. Many of them have told me, “Hey look at us … 90% of us only weight 40-45 kg, we can’t down any more alcohol than that, six nights per week!”

Lastly, most of the bars pay a flat fee of around 140 php per night, for the girls to dance.

If you take all of these numbers into consideration, they come to a total income of right around 7400 php for 12 days of work (US$ 160). This is nearly twice that of a shop girl. Plus, one must take into consideration it is extremely difficult for a normal girl to find a job at SM Mall, or any shop in AC, or at McDonald’s, or as a maid in a hotel. Also those are really hard working jobs. However, if you are half-way decent looking there are a lot of opportunities to work as a bargirl.

Do the math, and consider these girl’s options! It is easy to get a well paying bargirl job (though the emotional and relational price is quite expensive to many girls) and a hell of a lot more difficult to get a much lower paying “real” job.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]I hope I did not upset anyone by my comments on Fields, as I am sure many people feel they have a great time here.[/QUOTE]AC is definitely an acquired taste, and it can take a while to get into the rhythm of the place. You might want to consider trying it again someday, preferably in lower season and (if you're solo this time) with friends. Of all the main mongering places in SE Asia, I think it's the one that most benefits from having good friends around.

BTW who did you use for your Pinatubo hike? I've been meaning to get up there for years.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend]...I wonder if there is tension between the dancers and the waitresses as a result.[/QUOTE]
Definitely. I know a dancer who quit Champagne for that very reason. Waitresses always get the first crack at customers. And sometimes a customer would rather take out a waitress who he's already been talking to than try to start the process over with some girl from the dance stage.
[QUOTE=Dveight]I've only barfined two waitresses, but neither worked out very well, and were really disappointing. I'll stick to dancers, but thats just my opinion.[/QUOTE]
I've BF'd a few more waitresses than that, and they've generally been damned good. Same hit or miss ratio as dancers. And at small bars, dancers and waitresses swap positions all the time.

Just came back from a brief trip to ACHere are a few impressions of the bars I visited.
I spent the first night(Saturday) barhopping with a girl I met on a pevious trip. We hit Dity Duck, which was packed with punters and girls, which I guess isn't too difficult to achieve with such a small bar. The girls were crammed onto the tiny stage without much room to move. Some of them seemed pretty lively but didn't see any knockouts. Probably about 4 of them were barfineable in my book.
Next stop was Aura, which seems to be a Korean hangout.The stage is actually sunk below the seating area and its hard to see everything unless you are in the front row. They have a show every couple of hours, which was entertaining because they were dancing to some loud headbanging metal which you don't find in many bars. Also memorable because one girl got dropped on her head while the other girls were attempting to lift her. She seemed to come out of it ok, so I can laugh about it now. Probably 30-40 girls there that night. Alot of them seemed decent, but upon closer review maybe 7 or 8 were barfineable. Thumbs down to the douchebag meathead with tanktop and tribal armband tattoo and his fat guido friend who decided they would go onto the floor and try to dance with the girls.I don't go to the bars to watch some retards make an asses out of themselves. The girls were not impressed either, as they were all trying to get away as these guys tried to grind up on them. And the staff was not to pleased when the guys refused to buy any drinks for any of the girls after trying to accost them on the dance floor.
The next day I was alone and free to barfine so I set out in the early afternoon. Walked in Typhoon, only 6 girls onstage, none attractive so I turned around and walked right out. Headed for Voodoo, which had more girls but nobody stood out. I did stay for a drink and some ugly chick gave me a shoulder rub. I felt bad for her so I bought her a drink. The 2 hottest girls on stage seemed stuck up and avoided eye contact, and since they were the only passable chicks, I finished my drink and walked out. Went to Lollipop, and liked the vibe so I settled in. Some of the girls there are pretty wild and aggressive. Lots of dick grabbing and titties flashed in my face. Lots of the girls gave interesting names for themselves, like Vanessa the Undresser, Super Ball Licker, Amazing Dogstyle, and Hard Fucker. I ended up basically being double teamed by a waitress and a particularly horny dancer. The waitress was trying to distract me while the dancer was jacking me off and the mamasan kept coming over trying to get a glimpse of my cock. I ended up buying lots of drinks for the doubleteamers, but ended up barfining one of the less aggressive girls from the stage. She turned out to be pretty wild in bed and we spent the rest of the afternoon alternating between fucking and napping. She left around 9pm and probably went right back to the bar to try to get another barfine. I went back the next day and saw the same cast of characters and observed 3 different girls go out on barfine and return to the bar within 90 minutes. So while this is a fun bar, expect runners and high mileage on the girls. I'm not much of a latenighter so I do alot of mongring in the daytime. In my opinion Lollipop had the best daytime talent. Hit a couple of perimeter bars, Roadies and Lost in Asia, and almost threw up in my mouth from the lineups. Also hit Angelitch and Insomnia late in the afternoon and was not impressed.