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Can someone in Germany ask the FKK management if they have to apply this law for blow job too? Or it is just for intercourse to wipe out low end bare buck clubs where they exploit girls?
I mean. FKK is dine as it is with BBBJ. Without it. It is not worth it.
[QUOTE=MrHo;1834265]Girls will use this as excuse to charge extra or go for longer session, so it will be messed up. And when will we know?[/QUOTE]I'm already a one hour session monger, so I'm not worried about being pressured for longer sessions. I already do hour-long sessions virtually 100% of the time right now. And if I have to pay 50 euros extra for BBBJ so be it. That's still cheaper than hotel, transportation, food, and sex in Switzerland! Think about that Ho and let's keep this real! Please remain sensible about this. Look, it will be just another thing to negotiate over, like anal. Some girls will do it and some won't (I believe the overwhelming majority of the tutes will still do BBBJs to get that money). For those who will do it (again most will), then I will be ready to pay them up to 50 euros additional for a BBBJ / CIM option. That way, I can keep the price the same as it always was for one hour of sex with BBBJ / CIM plus anal, which today is 250 euros in the Frankfurt region. Yes, I personally would end up spending more over the long haul because although I always want BBBJ and almost always want anal, I don't always want CIM. But, a monger has to change with the times!
Now, I don't know when a final decision will be made on this bullshit. But I do know this. Brazil just moved even further ahead of Germany as the preferred destination in my books! But, I see no need to panic and start spending big money in Switzerland over this. Either way it's likely to cost us more, but what would you rather do? Pay a mere 50 euros more, or take on exorbitant Swiss costs which includes paying double for the booty? High hotel rooms? Sky high prices for a decent meal? Fuck that! Germany would still be a better option that Switzerland, even if we have to start paying extra for BBBJ because with the new law the tutes would have us by the nuts! But still Germany would be the better option over Switzerland. I know I said many moons ago that I would start going to Switzerland. But now cooler heads are prevailing, and I know for me that would not be a workable or preferred solution in Europe. I do like Spain, but I think Germany could still reign supreme even in the light of this stupid proposed law!
[QUOTE=TheCane;1834238]I'm not doing it! And I'm not going to twice as expensive Switzerland either! I'll just find girls who will continue to provide BBBJ service. And I can assure you there will be plenty![/QUOTE]Apparently there is a big fine for it, something crazy like 50000 Euro.
I don't understand all this premature handwringing about this law. First of all, except the few German posters, most people don't even understand whether this is a draft, a law, something in between, etc etc. Few seem to have seen the actual wording of the full draft or proposal or whatever it is, anyway among the ones posting here, especially w / o (lost in) translation. Also, most people here don't know how the German legislative process is supposed to work, what is the current political landscape like, who is for / against, the odds of passing, if the draft morphs into something else as it goes through the process, etc. All that we have seen are a few links to media articles which might or might not be accurate, and over the years I have realized I trust media to my own peril. And we don't know how it gets implemented, how it will be policed, what fines if any, and how rigorously it will be truly executed in practice. Too many unknowns. Why all these premature declarations "Omg, I will skip Germany" etc? You might very well be wrong, this could be watered down, and you might change your mind in the end.
Personally, I plan to attend even after it passes if it ever does, visit the clubs I love, see for myself what changed and how (and not just based on what others say), reflect on my experience, and then decide what to do. Think about my alternatives. Considering that I have not liked Spain even a fraction of what I like about German fkks, and considering I have no interest in suddenly flying east to Asia as opposed to a transatlantic flight, it is very likely I will change very little. But then again, saying anything until then is very premature.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1834308]I don't understand all this premature handwringing about this law. First of all, except the few German posters, most people don't even understand whether this is a draft, a law, something in between, etc etc. Few seem to have seen the wording of the full draft or proposal or whatever it is, anyway among the ones posting here, especially w / o translation. Also, most people here don't know how the German legislative process is supposed to work, what is the current political landscape like, who is for / against, the odds of passing, if the draft morphs into something else as it goes through the process, etc. All that we have seen are a few links to media articles which might or might not be accurate, and over the years I have realized I trust media to my own peril. And we don't know how it gets implemented, how it will be policed, what fines if any, and how rigorously it will be truly executed in practice. Too many unknowns. Why all this premature declarations "I will skip Germany etc"? You might very well be wrong, this could be watered down, and you might change your mind in the end.[/QUOTE]Man! You do not understand how this law affect my life quality LOL; That is why, on other end of the world, I am getting crazy over this! That I cannot even concentrate on my daily activities LOL; This is like death sentence to me because German FKK is my central main play ground.
So I need to know if there will be BBBJ or not because of this law. I just hope this law won't pass or this law is just apply to sexual intercourse meaning penetration with condom only and not blowjob.
I hope they will reject this law.
If this law pass, I am changing location if I do not get BBBJ if I extend time of the session to one hour. But this law comes with insane fine. I read this in Japanese newspaper, yes it made it to paper here, man, I am in nervous breakdown over this that I cannot concentrate here LOL I need my BBBJ! LOL.
Merkel provided future diversified LU at German FKK, but trying to take BBBJ from us LOL.
I hope they will reject the law or condom is not applied to Blowjob, but intercourse only like in Japan.
[QUOTE=TheCane;1834284]I'm already a one hour session monger, so I'm not worried about being pressured for longer sessions. I already do hour-long sessions virtually 100% of the time right now. And if I have to pay 50 euros extra for BBBJ so be it. That's still cheaper than hotel, transportation, food, and sex in Switzerland! Think about that Ho and let's keep this real! Please remain sensible about this. Look, it will be just another thing to negotiate over, like anal. Some girls will do it and some won't (I believe the overwhelming majority of the tutes will still do BBBJs to get that money). For those who will do it (again most will), then I will be ready to pay them up to 50 euros additional for a BBBJ / CIM option. That way, I can keep the price the same as it always was for one hour of sex with BBBJ / CIM plus anal, which today is 250 euros in the Frankfurt region. Yes, I personally would end up spending more over the long haul because although I always want BBBJ and almost always want anal, I don't always want CIM. But, a monger has to change with the times!
Now, I don't know when a final decision will be made on this bullshit. But I do know this. Brazil just moved even further ahead of Germany as the preferred destination in my books! But, I see no need to panic and start spending big money in Switzerland over this...[/QUOTE]As long as I am getting BBBJ it is fine. But I do not want to pay for BBBJ, I do not mind extending session for BBBJ. I already do this with DFK sometimes. However, I like liberty of just going 30 min session sometimes with girls who is 7's, for 8's I go one hour too.
If this law pass and BBBJ and DFK is not offered at one hour session then, it gives me no choice but to move to Austria, GT Vienna. Is GT Vienna good as Artemis or at least palace for LU? Girls there?
And I will also fly one night into globe Zürich as the club begin LU in the morning hours or early afternoon, so if I fly out of Zürich one day after at night time, then I can enjoy full two days of LU at Globe.
Let hope it won't change a thing for BBBJ. And just for intercourse as some low end club allow bare back sex. Which I think this law is limiting that kinda club and not FKK.
Also FKK owners must be alert as it will affect its business. And FKK owners are running business just fine, so I do not think it is targeting FKKs.
For MrHo, happy German VolksMusik to cheer you up. Don't ask me how I ran across them, but it seems to be southern music.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8n_g5eTDRQ[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4aVsjELyi8[/URL]
[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1834341]For MrHo, happy German VolksMusik to cheer you up. Don't ask me how I ran across them, but it seems to be southern music.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8n_g5eTDRQ[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4aVsjELyi8[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL I need BBBJ right now, if I am in Germany now, I goto FKK and today, all sessions, CIM! LOL.
Wow. Again and again there's discussion about a law that hasn't yet passed and is not yet in place. It's more than 15 months to go. Relax and let's see the final version, the discussion around it and don't panic.
One thing: I don't see how you could do CIM if you were required to to CBJ only. LOL.
HB.
[QUOTE=Abox79;1834137]Did I read somewhere that 21 is going to be the minimum age for girls too? [/QUOTE]No. That by the way is something I would support. Instead of banning BBBJ.
HB.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1834419]Wow. Again and again there's discussion about a law that hasn't yet passed and is not yet in place. It's more than 15 months to go. Relax and let's see the final version, the discussion around it and don't panic.
One thing: I don't see how you could do CIM if you were required to to CBJ only. LOL.
HB.[/QUOTE]Well our quality of life it at stake so ofc we are going to panic, LOL.
Theoretically CIM is possible but with the help of HJ.
Fellow mongers,
Just a quick note of my first impressions here and there.
Artemis in Berlin, excellent wellness, hot tub, multiple saunas, masseuse etc. But the girls there are sharky and the service level is not good. All the girls hand out upstairs in the smoking den, so the bar downstairs (non-smoking) is totally empty. Will not repeat unless it's for the wellness.
Park Sauna Residence PSR outside Koln, excellent wellness and food. All the beer you want to free, indoor pool, hot tub, sauna all excellent. Small LU of girls, only a few hotties. But not sharky at all. Girls will approach and are friendly, but not pushy, perfect really. Also, good group of guys, lots of locals, good conversations between sessions. Would repeat.
Acapulco ACA in Verbert, god spare me, will never repeat. Wellness is shit, food was scary, girls are damn near 100% Ro without a word of English, bad service. This is a non-approach club, so the girls just sit around, like a high school dance, waiting for some boy to approach them in this large open room, very awkward. Lame clubby type of feel with dance music etc, but kind of dumb as none of the girls were actually dancing on the pole. They even charge for beer, really? Maybe for a younger set of dudes, whatever, will not repeat.
Golden Time GT in Bruggen. By all the Gods, this place is paradise! Girls are all hotties, great mix of nationalities, plenty of German girls. Girls are friendly and will approach, but not too aggressively, perfect. Wellness is excellent, indoor hot tub and sauna and masseuse. Kino has plenty of action. During the day, good balance of guys and girls. Lots of dudes from just across the border, middle aged, good conversations between sessions. So far, this is my "go to" club, will be repeating, a lot! They do have a trio of tough looking bouncers, probably Ru, that act as gate keepers to the club. No problem for me though! If you can, you should come and enjoy.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1834419]Wow. Again and again there's discussion about a law that hasn't yet passed and is not yet in place. It's more than 15 months to go. Relax and let's see the final version, the discussion around it and don't panic.
One thing: I don't see how you could do CIM if you were required to to CBJ only. LOL.
HB.[/QUOTE]I need my BBBJ Mr HB.
When do we know if this law pass or not?
[QUOTE=Clodius1;1834448]Acapulco ACA in Verbert, god spare me, will never repeat. Wellness is shit, food was scary, girls are damn near 100% Ro without a word of English, bad service. This is a non-approach club, so the girls just sit around, like a high school dance, waiting for some boy to approach them in this large open room, very awkward. [/QUOTE]Not the general ACA review we're accustomed to but it's good to hear other opinions, good or bad. Curious how many girls you spoke with because the Romanians I talk to at ACA all speak English very well. ACA usually keeps the weaker speaking Romanians at their sister club, Penelope. Agree the Hungarians do not speak English well. The no-approach club can be awkward for those not used to it. I'm not a shy person so no issue for me. Agree wellness is non-existent at ACA but I'm not there for saunas and pools.
[QUOTE=Clodius1;1834448]Park Sauna Residence PSR outside Koln, excellent wellness and food. All the beer you want to free, indoor pool, hot tub, sauna all excellent. Small LU of girls, only a few hotties. But not sharky at all. Girls will approach and are friendly, but not pushy, perfect really. Also, good group of guys, lots of locals, good conversations between sessions. Would repeat.[/QUOTE]
OK I really have to revisit PSR. I miss these "friendly" clubs like how PHG and Samya 2012 used to be. I've always thought PSR would be a great hang out for Optimist. What is your estimate for the number of girls there and what day of the week did you go?