[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2781573]Patpong is dead. I rolled through there the other night.[/QUOTE]Die-ing pre COVID.
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[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2781573]Patpong is dead. I rolled through there the other night.[/QUOTE]Die-ing pre COVID.
[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781716]Noted! And yes, if they're cute enough, sometimes a smile and genuine gratitude from receiving something unexpected is worth the couple hundred baht. Now I'm kicking myself a bit, but had I taken her, I wouldn't have learned the oh so valuable lessons Rainbow 5 provided me.[/QUOTE]Once got a LEGIT massage (shirt and shorts provided, NO extras) at a shop I had passed every day for a month, finally stopping in. 400 baht, paid with a 1000, change as expected, 500 + 100. I turned around to the SYT, she was giving me a wai, head down, and I tipped her [S]...[/S] with the 500, slipping it into her folded hands. She said thank you, and opened her hands obviously expecting one thing. When she saw the color, she was "ah, ah, ah" with a bit of dread look, holding up the bill. OBVIOUSLY, this old man was blind, and she didn't want ANY problems when he returned later to demand his money back. I just smiled, said Chai, kap-un-kap (yes, thank you). The look on her face was priceless; when can you make someone's day so cheaply?
[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781716]I'm slowly finding the middle ground for the mamasan drinks. I'm definitely more confident in refusing them, and slowly developing a gauge for when I think it will be worth the investment.[/QUOTE]For ME, there is an advantage of a mamasan, [B]but[/B] that's at a bar that I FREQUENT, returning again and again. For just a couple of visits, why?
[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781716]It's not so much shyness, but I find getting down to business immediately too brusque. I prefer to see if there's any chemistry over the course of a drink or 2. After all, I may not even be interested in bar fining a girl who gives out too many red flags. Plus charming potential business partners tends to lead to smoother negotiations and more favorable terms. I'm mostly referring to [I]actual[/I] business negotiations. Although upon reflection, I'd be better served thinking up a smooth way to bring it up as soon as she sits down. I only have 2 more nights to concoct such a formula, so time is of the essence![/QUOTE]Next language lesson:
Shaw shaw = slowly slowly.
Sue-wey = beautiful.
Sue-wey mak mak = very beautiful.
Yim sue-wey mak mak = very beautiful smile (Thai's love to hear they have a beautiful smile).
Though you'll often hear in response:
Bag-won = sweet mouth = flatterer.
Yes, being too brusque is not sanook. But neither is an immediate request for a lady drink. When I get THAT request, I just look at her and say, "shaw shaw". If she leaves, I say a silent thank you; I like the no brainers. If she stays, then how entertaining is she, how is her banter, and while English helps, it's not a necessity. I'm judging her attitude. But with the same mindset as "you'll lose time", I'm also pretty quick with the "you can spend some time with me?", prefaced by a "Yim sue-wey mak mak".
[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781716]I'm assuming that girls will not see you outside their workplace until a number of encounters leads to better rapport though, right? My girl from the PIMP ghosted me, and I'm honestly expecting the same from this girl.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't know (seeing you outside of work), but I'd certainly guess that. But that is NOT my intention. It's just to keep the contact. I DON'T try to bypass the bar / shop, especially when a bg has a lady drink / bar fine quota. For a FEW, we [I]ping[/I] each other about every quarter, just a Hi, how are you. They usually send a current photo which I appreciate. If nothing else, customer relations, though there is a bit of friends there.
But a perfect example is this: I had a Line contact, never messaged in 3 years. A week before my return, I sent a "Hi, how are you". No reply. Checked again, 24 hours later, no reply. Figured it was a dead address. But when I put on my glasses, nice thing about Line, it shows when a message has been read. It had been. So, tried again, this time with a [I]proper[/I] introduction: a SHORT description (I don't blend in in Thailand) and my intentions, "coming back to BKK, if you are still working, would like to see you again". She said she was still working at the same shop. When I got to BKK, messaged her to set up the booking for me; I DON'T bypass the employer. She confirmed, and again, and again, and again. Very convenient to deal with the person directly, letting her set up the booking. Similar idea with a bar. Refresh her memory on who you are, you'll be back in BKK (don't be surprised if she misunderstands and thinks you're there NOW). I'd just say would like to see her again, buy her a drink in the bar. Now you know which bar, if she is still working. Or, if you want to roll the dice, say you'll buy her a drink and a bar fine (obviously, contract details have to be worked out), and you should be there around such-and-such a time (myself, I'm there early as I don't want to lose my place in her queue). I'd stick to that just to verify your cred. Works for her, she knows she should have a good customer (with bar fine). Works for you, you have that lady, provided contract details agreed to. My use, anyway.
[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781716]I guess I'm following in your footsteps, Mr. Miyagi. [/QUOTE]Actually, I prefer Master PO (and THANKS [B]Bunky[/B]}.
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[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781716]I hadn't assumed she would have condoms, I assumed I would get BBFS, like I did with literally every other girl. This is the first and so far only bar girl who refused me despite me being very persistent. The lube is a good call too. Idk how effective spit is on condoms, and using lube might be called for when the girls refuse DATY.[/QUOTE]Assume: it makes an [B]ASS[/B] out of [B]U[/B] and [B]ME[/B]. Without a shower, I'd be very surprised a girl would want DATY (or BBBJ), all she would be thinking is "min".
[QUOTE=TheKaiser;2781716][i](spraying a dick)[/i] Well that's kinda pointless for COVID at least. It's completely pointless for sexually transmitted microorganisms and really of no value for the regular bacteria all of us have on our skins. She probably touched your unsanitised thighs with her hands picking up the very same bacteria. Some of these things are purely placebo for use to feel safe more than it actually improves safety. [/QUOTE]The IMPORTANT point is, it was meaningful to HER, made her feel comfortable. Having the girl feel comfortable with you is all important, and having my dick in her mouth sans condom, with that rack wrapped around it, made me feel VERY comfortable.
I met a SYT at a bar in lower Suk a few days ago. We arranged a pool date at my hotel for later in week. I would pick her up at bar at 1 pm to pay her BF of 500 bt and then she wanted 3 k for short time. When I asked how long is ST, she said ST is from 1 pm to midnight so sounds live a good deal to me. A few weeks from now, I am looking for a girl to go with me to a beach location — Maybe PhiPhi or Ao Nong. What do you think is a fair price to the girl for several days for this type of trip? Of course, I pay for flight etc. Which I found is quite reasonable from Bangkok. I don't know yet whether this is the girl I want to take but she is obviously in contention depending on how our date goes.
You are correct. Lady Boys are proliferating all over lower Suk from Soi 1-28, especially around Sofitel and Hyatt to Soi 11. If you see a cute looking "girl", she is probably not a GG but LB. The only GG's I see in this area are woeful looking Milfs.
I don't know the going rate at Thermae as it’s pointless for farangs to go but not surprised to hear these prices and only Japanese punters appear willing to pay. NEP is even worse when you factor in bar fine, Lady drinks etc.
You have to now have some game and street smarts to be successful in BKK. Go to alternate locations, small bars, coffee shops, etc. And look for gems. They are around but it's a bit like sifting for gold in a stream. Patience and hard work now required.
[QUOTE=Martin00;2781819]Wood bar was empty and 1 lady only around 11 pm.
Lot of people around as it was Friday night, checked out Thermae but ladies were quoting crazy 3-4 k for short time! Some were cute but those numbers I guess only japanese would pay?
Sukumvith still invaded by ladyboy from soi1 to soi 28. Maybe 3-4 ladies in total, only one possibly doable.
African ladies strolling, but I'm not here for black meat.
Am I missing anything or this is the situation in bkk now?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tomasb;2781944]I met a SYT at a bar in lower Suk a few days ago. We arranged a pool date at my hotel for later in week. I would pick her up at bar at 1 pm to pay her BF of 500 bt and then she wanted 3 k for short time. When I asked how long is ST, she said ST is from 1 pm to midnight so sounds live a good deal to me. A few weeks from now, I am looking for a girl to go with me to a beach location Maybe PhiPhi or Ao Nong. What do you think is a fair price to the girl for several days for this type of trip? Of course, I pay for flight etc. Which I found is quite reasonable from Bangkok. I don't know yet whether this is the girl I want to take but she is obviously in contention depending on how our date goes.[/QUOTE]About 6 weeks ago I had two detailed discussions about vacation girlfriend rates. One girl was a very well preserved older girl (49, she claimed) and said she gets 2000 per day, but when I balked at the price she said for me it would be 1000 per day. A couple days later I talked to one of my ST Nana Plaza girls who claimed to be 21 and I was her first ever boom boom customer (555), she said 20,000 per week for her plus a week of bar fines at 800 per day. Neither of these girls had a personality that I could tolerate for a week. Probably couldn't tolerate either for an overnight date.
I no longer commit to any one girl for more than a ST date unless I first know her pretty well. For a week together, think more than a month of daily video chats. I'm really old and I have lower standards than most regarding physical appearance. But I'm very demanding when it comes to a girl's personality and her ability to hold a conversation.
[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781729]As discussed here, they're known as [I]Coyotes[/I], brought in from an outside agency to add some quality and quantity to a bar, but usually not bar fineable, and even if they are, demanding a large price.[/QUOTE]I was under the impression that the Coyotes would be easily distinguishable from the rest, but I guess I was wrong about that. It's a pretty smart idea tbh.
[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781729]Just about 100% of the Thais (and other nationalities) I've been with, it's customary to shower FIRST before any action (BJ bars the exception). Obviously, Thailand is a hot and humid place, and Thais pride themselves on being clean. (Hom = fragrant. Min = stinks. Compliment a girl by telling her "hom", insult her by saying "min"). While it may seem [I]romantic[/I] to some to start without the shower, I doubt that a Thai would. A gripe I hear about certain nationalities is that they don't want to shower. I certainly could be wrong, but her hesitancy coupled with her lack of English might have prevented her from saying what she wanted - the shower. Just sayin[/QUOTE]You have a valid point about the shower. For me it's just not built into my sexual escalation ladder, so I'll have to squeeze it in. I suppose it could also help make her feel comfortable for me to bring it up.
[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781729]Step out of the shower with her, give her a hug, bring your face close to the side of her head, take a DEEP breath through your nose, step back, say "hom", watch her reaction. A beer says it's a BIG smile.[/QUOTE]I did this with the coyote at King's Castle since she was smelling her hair a lot. I just didn't know the Thai word, but I don't think she bought it. Her hair just smelled like her hair, but maybe she prefers the smell of perfume.
[QUOTE=RahulMangla2009;2781840]What are the latest high end soapies to visit during day time?[/QUOTE]Only visited Poseidon. The Office and Black Caviar are others I read about, but I don't think soapies are for me so I didn't try them.
[QUOTE=RahulMangla2009;2781841]Hi all,
Visiting Bangkok next week after almost 5 years. Staying at my usual favorite hotel at Dream hotel. I plan to head to Pimp, Mixx, Shock 39 at night time. But, what would you recommend for day time and where to find the best girls? Note that I am ok to pay a bit higher price for top quality girls. Last time, I had tried Smooci for some girls to come to room. And they were not so great / just average. But, looking for the girls quality to be high. What would you recommend?[/QUOTE]The PIMP is pretty pricey BTW. For daytime massage parlors would be your best bet. Smooci, sideline, any other escort and MPs where you choose from photos will likely leave you disappointed. Try to go to an MP and see the lineup in person. There are BJ bars as an alternative option.
[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781918]For ME, there is an advantage of a mamasan, [B]but[/B] that's at a bar that I FREQUENT, returning again and again. For just a couple of visits, why?[/QUOTE]True, but it can help get her attention more quickly if I'm going to be spending some time there.
[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781918]Next language lesson[/QUOTE]Very useful list Master Po! I only have one day to make them of use. I have just been saying "You're cute" and "You have a cute smile" where I graze their cheek. Throwing in some Thai would certainly make it more effective!
[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781918]Yes, being too brusque is not sanook. But neither is an immediate request for a lady drink. When I get THAT request, I just look at her and say, "shaw shaw". If she leaves, I say a silent thank you; I like the no brainers. If she stays, then how entertaining is she, how is her banter, and while English helps, it's not a necessity. I'm judging her attitude. But with the same mindset as "you'll lose time", I'm also pretty quick with the "you can spend some time with me?", prefaced by a "Yim sue-wey mak mak".[/QUOTE]I agree about the attitude. Perhaps I should try that, but so far all the girls and all the mamasians immediately ask if I'll buy the lady drink. I thought it was standard practice since there might be some punters trying to get something for free. I read some emails on Stickman about brown people (colored in the original email) who split a single beer and a single woman amongst a large group of men. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other brown people who try and get a little company without having to buy the lady drink. Since I'm aware of the stereotype, I don't know what the effect of trying to postpone the First Lady drink a little bit would be.
[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781918]I wouldn't know (seeing you outside of work), but I'd certainly guess that. But that is NOT my intention. It's just to keep the contact. I DON'T try to bypass the bar / shop, especially when a bg has a lady drink / bar fine quota. For a FEW, we [I]ping[/I] each other about every quarter, just a Hi, how are you. They usually send a current photo which I appreciate. If nothing else, customer relations, though there is a bit of friends there.
But a perfect example is this.[/QUOTE]This is a good guide on how to approach it, thanks! My intent was primarily for the convenience and perhaps instead of spending time in a noisy, smoky bar, I could arrange a slower paced lunch date or something. I guess that's off the table unless she's freelance then.
[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781918]The IMPORTANT point is, it was meaningful to HER, made her feel comfortable. Having the girl feel comfortable with you is all important, and having my dick in her mouth sans condom, with that rack wrapped around it, made me feel VERY comfortable.[/QUOTE]Can't argue with that, it's just a pet peeve of mine.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2781951]plus a week of bar fines at 800 per day. [/QUOTE]Not sure why you would need to pay BF for a week if the girl wasn't showing up for work. All she needs to do is tell the bar she isn't working that week and to remove her from the shift.
I'm guessing what's really happening behind the scenes is the girl is trying to double dip. Say she needs to sell 20 drinks or needs a combination of drinks / BF for the week to earn her bar salary. What she will do is pay the bar's portion of the drink price (150 baht / drink x 20 = 3000 baht) so she can earn her 10,000 baht weekly salary.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2781951]But I'm very demanding when it comes to a girl's personality and her ability to hold a conversation.[/QUOTE]Agree. I am amazed at guys who come to Thailand and go out with a girl for an hour then want to take her away for a week. Then by the end of the week they are so bored with that girl and tell me how there were so many nice girls at the destination they went to. Happens all the time.
For me to spend a week with a girl she better be able to make me laugh a lot and speak English extremely well.
[QUOTE=Tomasb;2781944] I am looking for a girl to go with me to a beach location Maybe PhiPhi or Ao Nong. What do you think is a fair price to the girl for several days for this type of trip? Of course, I pay for flight etc. Which I found is quite reasonable from Bangkok.[/QUOTE]
If I were taking a girl somewhere nice out of Thailand like Singapore, Korea, Japan, etc. I would expect my price to the girl be zero. If I stay within Thailand or go to a less appealing country like Cambodia that's not as glamorous for the girl I think a fair price would be 1000 to 3000 per day. This really depends on the type of venue she works at and how popular she is. Is she a top end gogo girl at one of the big bars vs a barfly who hardly gets drinks and BF at a beer bar. Say she was a Thermae girl I'd be fair to pay her 2500 baht per day. Per above, I would not be paying any BF to any bar.
[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781918]
For ME, there is an advantage of a mamasan, [B]but[/B] that's at a bar that I FREQUENT, returning again and again. For just a couple of visits, why?
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Last mamasan I bought a lady drink for was Mrs. Bryan Flowers in Pattaya. Was trying to take her away from the Soi 6 mogul with my cheap ass 1 drink!
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2781960]Agree. I am amazed at guys who come to Thailand and go out with a girl for an hour then want to take her away for a week. Then by the end of the week they are so bored with that girl and tell me how there were so many nice girls at the destination they went to. Happens all the time![/QUOTE]Buddy of mine said back in 02, "Many guys don't come to Thailand to f& working girls, they come here to date working girls."
[QUOTE=Martin00;2781819]Wood bar was empty and 1 lady only around 11 pm.
Lot of people around as it was Friday night, checked out Thermae but ladies were quoting crazy 3-4 k for short time! Some were cute but those numbers I guess only japanese would pay?
Sukumvith still invaded by ladyboy from soi1 to soi 28. Maybe 3-4 ladies in total, only one possibly doable.
African ladies strolling, but I'm not here for black meat.
Am I missing anything or this is the situation in bkk now?[/QUOTE]That's what I saw last night. Plus thermae was empty at midnight.
[QUOTE=Martin00;2781819]Lot of people around as it was Friday night, checked out Thermae but ladies were quoting crazy 3-4 k for short time! Some were cute but those numbers I guess only japanese would pay?[/QUOTE]Are you white? Tall? Big? I'm asian not sure if that matters but was quoted 2500/2700 for the only two I found attractive on my first visit there. Was it earlier in the day? Maybe later on the price lowers? Think was around 1030 when I got my quotes.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2781960]Agree. I am amazed at guys who come to Thailand and go out with a girl for an hour then want to take her away for a week. Then by the end of the week they are so bored with that girl and tell me how there were so many nice girls at the destination they went to. Happens all the time.
For me to spend a week with a girl she better be able to make me laugh a lot and speak English extremely well.[/QUOTE]Ah, the ignorance of youth, unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality. For relatively very little money, you'll have this subservient Asian beauty at your every beck and call, every whim, hanging on your every nuance, no will of her own.
The first day, everything's fine, it's an amazing adventure. The next day, he wants to do this, but she's tired, she wants to check her phone, catch up with her friends, sleep, post her adventure. But she goes along. The 3rd day, he's bored, her [I]glow[/I] has dissipated, and she's tired of his annoying habits (we all have them). I'm amazed that there aren't more homicides, one way or the other [S]...[/S] Money is a [I]glue[/I] for awhile, but to put up with another person, any person, MY experience, has to be more than just a romp in bed or cash in hand. All those originally unseen imperfections start to become apparent on both sides. Fantasy is fine, but then reality sets in. Even LT, excluding sleep, how many hours are you really interacting with the other, and then having to do that sequentially for a number of days [S]...[/S] One of those ideas that seemed like a good idea at the time. But maybe I'm just a grump. Personally, in Thailand, I have my regulars, once a week sufficient for several, but for the other days, always looking for [I]different[/I]. I'm sure they're happy with that arrangement too.
Not saying it can't be done. Not Thailand, I travel with a [I]friend[/I] in her country for weeks at a time. But we knew each other for almost a year, 1 night a week, beforehand, and she tolerates me quite well, which I truly admire. She enjoys seeing her own country (common interests), she speaks the language, I don't, and I set the itinerary and she handles the logistics. It works, but it's not something that happens instantaneously. You have to build up an immunity against the other person's irks [S]...[/S].
I looked for the pricing report under your name but could not find it. Do you know the number of the report? Nevertheless, it appears that given this particular SYT just started working at a local bar, not a go go, that between $1 k to $1500 might work. I don't know about the comment from the OP about no reason to pay a BF. This girl just started working there and they might take a dim view of her taking off for a week and returning tan and rested and the bar, where I met her, getting no compensation for her absence. But perhaps, the BF can be negotiated a bit.
As it is, I am not sure she would be the best company but it depends on how my daytime and early evening dates goes with her tomorrow. The other reason I was thinking of doing this is because I have read PhiPhi and AO Nong only have moderate nightlife and may not have a lot of spare girls around. Don't know about that since I have never been to either location. Also, like someone below noted, six days could be an eternity if things go south. Three days most couples could endure but after that…Maybe just take her to Ao Nong for three days, the flight for that location leaves and departs from Krabi to BKK.
I am also an older guy too so the idea of hanging in the bars on the beaches every night looking for a prospect does not sound all that appealing. I remember once going to Ko Samui and being quite disappointed about Lamang area. The talent was abysmal. A total waste of time. But for me, if the girl is fun and reasonably attractive and also does not bore easily then I might consider this option.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2781951]About 6 weeks ago I had two detailed discussions about vacation girlfriend rates. One girl was a very well preserved older girl (49, she claimed) and said she gets 2000 per day, but when I balked at the price she said for me it would be 1000 per day. A couple days later I talked to one of my ST Nana Plaza girls who claimed to be 21 and I was her first ever boom boom customer (555), she said 20,000 per week for her plus a week of bar fines at 800 per day. Neither of these girls had a personality that I could tolerate for a week. Probably couldn't tolerate either for an overnight date.
I no longer commit to any one girl for more than a ST date unless I first know her pretty well. For a week together, think more than a month of daily video chats. I'm really old and I have lower standards than most regarding physical appearance. But I'm very demanding when it comes to a girl's personality and her ability to hold a conversation.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=11Bravo;2781895]
My thoughts too. I don't need any more squad members at my age. Condoms are far from fullproof, but certainly better than the rhythm method. I'm not all that familiar with the commonality of birth control pills with the wg's, but even if she said she was, I would have my doubts. Any comments from residents?[/QUOTE]In my experience over the years most wg's who have been at it for any length of time will be using birth control pills, however, a frequent problem seems to be her forgetting to take it some nights, often due to too much alcohol, so even if she says she is "on the pill' it can't be 100% relied upon. The "morning after" pills are easily available here and often used too as a back up.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2781951]
I no longer commit to any one girl for more than a ST date unless I first know her pretty well. For a week together, think more than a month of daily video chats. I'm really old and I have lower standards than most regarding physical appearance. But I'm very demanding when it comes to a girl's personality and her ability to hold a conversation.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. For anything more than a one-off ST, the girl's personality, attitude, and fun-factor is as important, if not more important than her looks alone.
The first day, everything's fine, it's an amazing adventure. The next day, he wants to do this, but she's tired, she wants to check her phone, catch up with her friends, sleep, post her adventure. But she goes along. The 3rd day, he's bored, her [I]glow[/I] has dissipated, and she's tired of his annoying habits (we all have them). I'm amazed that there aren't more homicides, one way or the other [S]...[/S] Money is a [I]glue[/I] for awhile, but to put up with another person, any person, MY experience, has to be more than just a romp in bed or cash in hand. All those originally unseen imperfections start to become apparent on both sides. Fantasy is fine, but then reality sets in. Even LT, excluding sleep, how many hours are you really interacting with the other, and then having to do that sequentially for a number of days [S]...[/S] One of those ideas that seemed like a good idea at the time. But maybe I'm just a grump. Personally, in Thailand, I have my regulars, once a week sufficient for several, but for the other days, always looking for [I]different[/I]. I'm sure they're happy with that arrangement too.
Been with my girl for nearly 14 years, dunno what you are talking about.