Angeles City

[QUOTE=Noguera]For comparison sake, ........ A school teacher in the Philippines, with a college education, will earn a base salary of around 15,000 php (US$ 325) per month, plus a small pension and health benefits.[/QUOTE]Just to keep the facts accurate guys - an average salary for a teacher with a full qualification is nearer to 10,000 php per month and the pension and health benefits are included in that (ie - deducted).

Makes being a bargirl even more attractive (if, as Noguera says, she can handle the emotional and physical aspects)

[QUOTE=Betong]AC is definitely an acquired taste, and it can take a while to get into the rhythm of the place. You might want to consider trying it again someday, preferably in lower season and (if you're solo this time) with friends. Of all the main mongering places in SE Asia, I think it's the one that most benefits from having good friends around.

BTW who did you use for your Pinatubo hike? I've been meaning to get up there for years.[/QUOTE]

I'm afraid I would only try to avoid it in future, personally. I have no desire to monger with friends - if I do then it is because we share other things in common other than paying for pussy lol. Of all the places I've mongered in SE Asia, it would be my last choice. However, it has novelty value - like Patpong - but unlike Patpong utterly nothing else really.

I'll email you the guide I used. I think anyone will arrange the tour at much the same price but he was excellent so I'd like to give him the business. You can do it thru anyone - I used my hotel and probably paid the standard markup (agencies quoted same price).

btw 'not a cake walk' - an apter description could perhaps be 'not a walk in the park'. There are only modest safety (nanny) provisions. I asked my guide to take my photo, noticing as he was finding the best angle that I am on a three foot promontory with a sheer drop one step away. No rail. No warning. On the way back saw a rather silly girl attempting the four hour tough hike in midday sun, poor footwear, no head protection against sun - hope she made it. I wandered off a few times although my guide warned me that my feet would get incinerated if I went to the wrong bit. The floor of the lake drops away very fast. You get a life vest if you go in the boat but this is not an organised tour in the sense that you are looked after. You don't need to be a mountaineer, but it is for grown-ups so to speak. :)

[QUOTE=Sleepy Floyd]Went to Lollipop, and liked the vibe so I settled in. Some of the girls there are pretty wild and aggressive.[/QUOTE]I was there yesterday afternoon and had the same experience. I guess they're hungry and they've learned what works. Worked for me anyhow.

In Gecko's tonight, two big spender Asians down at the end of the bar buying drinks for all the girls, multiple rounds. Which didn't make it a lot of fun for the rest of us. I couldn't place the guys -- not Korean, nor Japanese, nor SE Asian. Turns out they were mainland Chinese. Inevitable, I guess . . . .

[QUOTE=Christopherd]I have no desire to monger with friends - if I do then it is because we share other things in common other than paying for pussy lol.[/QUOTE]Well, exactly. It's one of the great pleasures of my life that a few guys who I really like for all kinds of other reasons have come to share this hobby, and occasionally have time to join me in places like Pattaya or AC for a week or two hanging out together.
[QUOTE]Of all the places I've mongered in SE Asia, it would be my last choice. However, it has novelty value - like Patpong - but unlike Patpong utterly nothing else really.[/QUOTE]No problems if that's how you feel, but you may have trouble convincing some of us here of that! AC is a curious place. It can seem shallow and nasty at first -- and on one level it is -- but it can become strangely addictive, and not just for the sex.

[QUOTE=Noguera]For comparison sake, if a girl could find a job as a shop girl over at SM Mall, her average salary is around 4000 php per two weeks. That is ˜US$ 86 at today's exchange. A school teacher in the Philippines, with a college education, will earn a base salary of around 15, 000 php (US$ 325) per month, plus a small pension and health benefits.

Now, let's look at the average bargirl. I have talked to quite a few of the bargirls along Fields and I feel these general numbers are pretty realistic. The average bargirl emphasis on average will pull 2-3 barfines per week (at 600 php for the girl). This is the equivalent of US$ 13 for a full night of sex with a stranger! How do I define average well I have asked these questions to at least a dozen girls on Fields and they say that out of every 10 bargirls, 5 of them will pull 2-3 barfines per week. By comparison, one or two (1. 5) will actually work so hard as to average 5-6 barfines per week, and the remaining 3-4 girls will do considerably less than two barfines in a week.

In addition to the 2-3 barfines per week for the average girl, an "average" tip for a barfine runs ˜300 php.

The third source of income is lady's drinks. Again, 50% of the girls only down maybe two lady's drinks per night (at their cut of 50 php at). All the girls tell me this is a good average number. Many of them have told me, "Hey look at us 90% of us only weight 40-45 kg, we can't down any more alcohol than that, six nights per week! "

Lastly, most of the bars pay a flat fee of around 140 php per night, for the girls to dance.

If you take all of these numbers into consideration, they come to a total income of right around 7400 php for 12 days of work (US$ 160). This is nearly twice that of a shop girl. Plus, one must take into consideration it is extremely difficult for a normal girl to find a job at SM Mall, or any shop in AC, or at McDonald's, or as a maid in a hotel. Also those are really hard working jobs. However, if you are half-way decent looking there are a lot of opportunities to work as a bargirl.

Do the math, and consider these girl's options! It is easy to get a well paying bargirl job (though the emotional and relational price is quite expensive to many girls) and a hell of a lot more difficult to get a much lower paying "real" job.[/QUOTE]You are just wrong. There is no way the AVERAGE for these girls is 2 to 3 barfines a week. If you tripled the number of tourist who go there they could not barfine all these girls 2 to 3 times in a week. Alantis alone has close to 300 girls on one shift with 3 shifts of girls. If 20 are barfined in any one night that would be a good night. Crystal palace almost the same, Dollhouse the same, Pony tails around 150 girls each shift. The average girl is lucky to get bar fined period in a week. Are there some who get 2 and 3 barfines in a week. Sure but the majority of girls do NOT. Only those exceptional beauties. And when you talk about bars that have a lot of girls but are not glitsy. Like Lancelot, Champagne, and all the bar in upper perimeter. Lost in Asia. Where the same 4 or 5 girls get bar fined.

That is one of the misconception of a lot of guys. Just because you ask the beauty you are with. How often she is barfined doesn't mean that is most girls.

During the week days AC has considerably less numbers of tourist. So it is impossible everygirl or even 1/2 the girls in AC get even 1 barfine each week. There just isn't that many guys, including expat that live there. Especially since alot of them don't barfine and have wive and just Drinkers now with the occasional on the side ST. But nothing like a tourist. Your numbers are just way off.

The reason why most of these girls don't have jobs in the Mall is because they don't qualify. You have to be either a college grad, in college or one of the brightest students in your school to land a job in the PI. Thats even at Jolliebees. Most of the girls in fields came from poor families, a lot dropped out of school, did poorly in school, or couldn't afford to go to college.

Besides a lot come from remote areas where there are no malls. They can't just fly 2 islands over put in an application. Stay in a hotel to wait to see if they get the job. And then what? Where do they live. How do they eat waiting to see if they got the job?. You have to remember how poor the families are that these girls come from.

Guys, I'll be coming to the Philippines at the end of March and wanted to try to hit AC as I'm free my first 2 days. Would be my first AC trip

I'm trying to figure out my options to fly to Clark from Hong Kong or Macau. The only airline I've found that flies to Clark from these places is Cebu Pacific. From HK 1 morning flight and from Macau at 21:40. Are there any other options? I'll be arriving in HK and need to book a follow on flight to Manila or Clark.

Since I only have 2 days / nights free, I wanted to fly direct to Clark rather than getting in to Manila at 11:30 pm and getting transportation to AC.

I have RTFF but didn't see any alternatives to those I mentioned above.

Thanks

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]You are just wrong. There is no way the AVERAGE for these girls is 2 to 3 barfines a week. If you tripled the number of tourist who go there they could not barfine all these girls 2 to 3 times in a week. Alantis alone has close to 300 girls on one shift with 3 shifts of girls. If 20 are barfined in any one night that would be a good night. Crystal palace almost the same, Dollhouse the same, Pony tails around 150 girls each shift. The average girl is lucky to get bar fined period in a week. Are there some who get 2 and 3 barfines in a week. Sure but the majority of girls do NOT. Only those exceptional beauties. And when you talk about bars that have a lot of girls but are not glitsy. Like Lancelot, Champagne, and all the bar in upper perimeter. Lost in Asia. Where the same 4 or 5 girls get bar fined.

That is one of the misconception of a lot of guys. Just because you ask the beauty you are with. How often she is barfined doesn't mean that is most girls.

During the week days AC has considerably less numbers of tourist. So it is impossible everygirl or even 1/2 the girls in AC get even 1 barfine each week. There just isn't that many guys, including expat that live there. Especially since alot of them don't barfine and have wive and just Drinkers now with the occasional on the side ST. But nothing like a tourist. Your numbers are just way off.

The reason why most of these girls don't have jobs in the Mall is because they don't qualify. You have to be either a college grad, in college or one of the brightest students in your school to land a job in the PI. Thats even at Jolliebees. Most of the girls in fields came from poor families, a lot dropped out of school, did poorly in school, or couldn't afford to go to college.

Besides a lot come from remote areas where there are no malls. They can't just fly 2 islands over put in an application. Stay in a hotel to wait to see if they get the job. And then what? Where do they live. How do they eat waiting to see if they got the job?. You have to remember how poor the families are that these girls come from.[/QUOTE]I agree for the most part, think about it every time I have been to AC girls out number guy 5 to 1, AC does not get enough visitor to barfine an average of 3 time a week and really I think the best looking one are barfined 5 or 6 times a week leaving the less attractive ones barfined maybe less than once a week, if they are lucky. But really I have nothing to base my assumptions on other than observation. After all what do you barfine the prettiest or ugliest girls?

As for jollybee and the malls only hiring college grads I just find it hard to believe but again I have no knowledge in this area but if that is true with the amount of malls, jollybees, chow kings, and not to mention all the call center, lawyers, accountant and other professional jobs I would think if all the jobs require college degrees then PI is more educated than USA or any other nation for that matter? And really I don't know this is just my observation.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Sleepy Floyd]Headed for Voodoo, which had more girls but nobody stood out. I did stay for a drink and some ugly chick gave me a shoulder rub. I felt bad for her so I bought her a drink.[/quote]
I bet I know exactly who you mean. She sells a lot of LD's that way. The best response is "No, thanks."
[QUOTE=Sleepy Floyd]...She left around 9pm and probably went right back to the bar to try to get another barfine. I went back the next day and saw the same cast of characters and observed 3 different girls go out on barfine and return to the bar within 90 minutes. So while this is a fun bar, expect runners and high mileage on the girls.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly my experience as well. The girls from there cannot wait to leave. One time I barfined a girl from there I'd barfined before. This time I made sure she knew I expected LT before we left the bar. Her cure for that dilemma was to be annoying enough for me to want her to leave.

[quote=cebu steve]guys, i'll be coming to the philippines at the end of march and wanted to try to hit ac as i'm free my first 2 days. would be my first ac trip

i'm trying to figure out my options to fly to clark from hong kong or macau. the only airline i've found that flies to clark from these places is cebu pacific. from hk 1 morning flight and from macau at 21:40. are there any other options? i'll be arriving in hk and need to book a follow on flight to manila or clark.

since i only have 2 days / nights free, i wanted to fly direct to clark rather than getting in to manila at 11:30 pm and getting transportation to ac.

i have rtff but didn't see any alternatives to those i mentioned above.

thanks[/quote]
nope, that's pretty much it, as far as i know. the hk flight is only useful if you are already in hk the day of the flight. it's at 9 am or something, which means you need to the airport fairly early in the morning--which pretty much means you already need to be in hk that morning. that flight isn't daily either; it's only mwf and maybe saturday, i can't remember. so unless you are arriving in hk on sunday, tuesday, or thursday night, you'll need to use the macau option. also, make sure you purchase your ticket ahead of time; they will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] you if you buy the ticket at the airport counter. expect to pay about 4-5x what you would pay otherwise.

some guys in ac are geographically challenged. once they hear i live in china, they comment something like "that's great, you can fly from hk to clark!" yeah, hk-clark is great--if you live in hk. i don't.

Is Cebu Pacific still taking advantage of the PI govt's requirement for an Exit tix?

I was never asked to show any exit tix at Clark immigration, so that leaves the scrutiny at check-in with Cebu Pacific.

During my current trip I did buy a round-trip tix just to be safe, but it is a pain if you need to change plans. I just can't decipher the crap on their website regarding applying credit towards a changed flight.

Can anybody explain in plain English? Do I lose 100% of the cost of the cancelled tix? Or a very high percentage? This is for the regular GO fare, not their PROMO fare, which I understand with the latter, there's no cancellation or refund possibilities.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Cebu Steve]Guys, I'll be coming to the Philippines at the end of March and wanted to try to hit AC as I'm free my first 2 days. Would be my first AC trip

I'm trying to figure out my options to fly to Clark from Hong Kong or Macau. The only airline I've found that flies to Clark from these places is Cebu Pacific. From HK 1 morning flight and from Macau at 21:40. Are there any other options? I'll be arriving in HK and need to book a follow on flight to Manila or Clark.

Since I only have 2 days / nights free, I wanted to fly direct to Clark rather than getting in to Manila at 11:30 pm and getting transportation to AC.

I have RTFF but didn't see any alternatives to those I mentioned above.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Cebu Steve,

I am in Manila right now just check price on cebu pacific office, Manila to macau once a day cost is 4100 peso one way and clark to macau is more 4800 peso one way only 5 a week no discount now, damn I use to fly tiger air clark to macau only 50 USD but they already stop this route.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Cebu Steve]Guys, I'll be coming to the Philippines at the end of March and wanted to try to hit AC as I'm free my first 2 days. Would be my first AC trip

I'm trying to figure out my options to fly to Clark from Hong Kong or Macau. The only airline I've found that flies to Clark from these places is Cebu Pacific. From HK 1 morning flight and from Macau at 21:40. Are there any other options? I'll be arriving in HK and need to book a follow on flight to Manila or Clark.

Since I only have 2 days / nights free, I wanted to fly direct to Clark rather than getting in to Manila at 11:30 pm and getting transportation to AC.

I have RTFF but didn't see any alternatives to those I mentioned above.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

You can find complete flight schedule for every airline operator to Clark in [url]http://www.dmia.ph/node/46[/url]

Friends, I have been reading through this forum and the information I have gathered is priceless. I am excited as I am going to make my first trip to AC and now I have a situation which I hope someone here could point me in the right direction....

My situation:

I am scheduled to attend a meeting in Manila on 13 May 2010. As I will be flying in from Malaysia (AirAsia), I want to stay at Angeles and commute (day trip) to Manila (InterContinental Hotel) for the meeting.

My question are:

(1) as I planned to stay in Angeles (1 week) is there any bus services that can take me to my meeting venue and back?

(2) is there any bus services (like in Pattaya) where they deliver you from door-to-door?

I do not fancy taking the taxi as I rather use the money for mongering ;-)

Hope you can help.

Cheers
normad2020

Thank you for reading thru the forum before posting your questions. What is it about the previously posted information about bus/ private bus / taxi / private hire that you don't understand?

Door to door, you'll probably need to do a private hire. You didn't tell us what time the meeting is, but that is probably irrelevant. You might save a few pesos by asking your hotel of choice what their fee would be....then bargain from there. X



[QUOTE=Normad2020]Friends, I have been reading through this forum and the information I have gathered is priceless. I am excited as I am going to make my first trip to AC and now I have a situation which I hope someone here could point me in the right direction....

My situation:

I am scheduled to attend a meeting in Manila on 13 May 2010. As I will be flying in from Malaysia (AirAsia), I want to stay at Angeles and commute (day trip) to Manila (InterContinental Hotel) for the meeting.

My question are:

(1) as I planned to stay in Angeles (1 week) is there any bus services that can take me to my meeting venue and back?

(2) is there any bus services (like in Pattaya) where they deliver you from door-to-door?

I do not fancy taking the taxi as I rather use the money for mongering ;-)

Hope you can help.

Cheers
normad2020[/QUOTE]

Good points Pro

I have no idea about the actual statisticz, nor what was meant by "average",

I would thing that average would be averagely good lookin and those girls get barfined quite regularly....some would say. I only know that if I go into a bar early and hope to find the same gal later, ...she is most often gone.

Get those average gals early...and they'll do you well later. X

[QUOTE=Professional]
SNIP

As for jollybee and the malls only hiring college grads I just find it hard to believe but again I have no knowledge in this area but if that is true with the amount of malls, jollybees, chow kings, and not to mention all the call center, lawyers, accountant and other professional jobs I would think if all the jobs require college degrees then PI is more educated than USA or any other nation for that matter? And really I don't know this is just my observation.

Thanks[/QUOTE]