Angeles City

[QUOTE=Professional]As for jollybee and the malls only hiring college grads I just find it hard to believe but again I have no knowledge in this area but if that is true with the amount of malls, jollybees, chow kings, and not to mention all the call center, lawyers, accountant and other professional jobs I would think if all the jobs require college degrees then PI is more educated than USA or any other nation for that matter? And really I don't know this is just my observation.[/QUOTE]The Licensing Exam for Elementary teachers (LET) in the Philippines last year had a pass rate of 18.7%

In other words, 81.3% of the education degree "graduates" did not qualify to be hired as teachers.

I understand that the statistics for the licensing exam for graduating nurses was even worse than for teachers.

These are the "educated" people who end up taking all manner of jobs in the places that you mentioned.

It means that there are literally 100s of second or third-rate "colleges" or training institutions that are cash cows for the owners but give their enrollees only a "Mickey Mouse" quality course (with apologies to Mick).

Unless your flight arrives in HK early in the morning, the HK morning flight will be difficult. You have to collect your luggage, go through customs and immigration and exit to the landside to check into the Clark flight as Cebu has no transfer desk on the airside of the airport.

This leaves the Macau option. It is possible to transfer to the Macau ferry from HKIA airside. The ferry runs every hour and the journey from HKIA to Macau is about 1 hour (cost about HK$235 ish). Then allow about 30 mins to clear Macau immigration. At Macau ferry terminal building, you can take a taxi directly to the Macau International Airport (about 10 mins away) cost about MOP 60 (maybe a little more with luggage, HK$ also accepted at the same value as MOP). If you have a bit extra time, you can save the MOP 60 cab fare by taking a free courtesy shuttle bus to the Venetian (you don't need to be staying there to use this free bus). Once at Venetian, you can take another free bus from Venetian to Macau airport (or if you have no luggage, the airport is probably only a 15 min walk from the Venetian). From memory, there is a bit of walking between the Venetian bus from Macau Ferry Terminal Building to the airport Venetian bus. Although they are in the same hotel/casino the drop off pick up between courtesy ferry bus and airport bus are from different entrances and the Venetian is huge (5-10mins walk). You have to wheel you luggage through the casino floor which is allowed, as everyone uses the same route to get to their rooms.

Prepare yourself for some credit card woes if booking with Cebu pacific. You may need to use one of their travel agents and wire money to them. I read somewhere only an estimated 10 - 20% of overseas credit cards work for Cebu.

If time is of essence, it is better and cheaper you travel from HKIA to Macau and then Clark if you can't take the HK flight. If you take the late flight into Manila, you will arrive in Manila too late, miss the cheap Swagman bus, and the taxi costs between Manila and AC is much more than the ferry costs between HKIA and Macau. And once in Manila, add 2 more hours to get to AC. By the time you check into your hotel, all the hotties would have already been BF by either me, ekspat, hesekiels, rob, xman or etc...

Good luck



[QUOTE=Cebu Steve]Guys, I'll be coming to the Philippines at the end of March and wanted to try to hit AC as I'm free my first 2 days. Would be my first AC trip

I'm trying to figure out my options to fly to Clark from Hong Kong or Macau. The only airline I've found that flies to Clark from these places is Cebu Pacific. From HK 1 morning flight and from Macau at 21:40. Are there any other options? I'll be arriving in HK and need to book a follow on flight to Manila or Clark.

Since I only have 2 days / nights free, I wanted to fly direct to Clark rather than getting in to Manila at 11:30 pm and getting transportation to AC.

I have RTFF but didn't see any alternatives to those I mentioned above.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man]Good points Pro

I have no idea about the actual statisticz, nor what was meant by "average",

I would thing that average would be averagely good lookin and those girls get barfined quite regularly....some would say. I only know that if I go into a bar early and hope to find the same gal later, ...she is most often gone.

Get those average gals early...and they'll do you well later. X[/QUOTE]

Generally the problem of barfining early is that you take her to your room , have sex and then what. It is still early. Unless the girl is into you she will use all excuses to run. even if she stays with you she would not like to stay in the room. That leaves option of dinner, barhopping etc which will cost you.
I find it is always better to barfine after 9-10 PM so that the girl stays with you till morning and you get another shot. Unless you know the girl already better to barfine later. Besides there are plenty of girls to choose.

i do have a trip planned to ac in april.

but, after reading this site and another, i am rethinking.

a fair share of post are regarding rip offs, over prices drinks, police raids, **** girls, scams, poor performances in the bedroom, dirty conditons, poor infratructure, lousy food, i can go on and on.

i think maybe some just must be pissed and are posting just to get their frustration out. that is ok, but i am trying to figure out if there is a true upside to this place.

[QUOTE=Sammon]Generally the problem of barfining early is that you take her to your room , have sex and then what. It is still early. Unless the girl is into you she will use all excuses to run. even if she stays with you she would not like to stay in the room. That leaves option of dinner, barhopping etc which will cost you.
[/QUOTE]
Go bar fine another girl. Angeles has not much to offer other than sex. Why not bang multiple girls every night.

You can also watch tv, surf internet, or sleep.

If you get there too late, most of the good ones are taken already anyways.

[quote=luvpuss]i do have a trip planned to ac in april.

but, after reading this site and another, i am rethinking.

a fair share of post are regarding rip offs, over prices drinks, police raids, **** girls, scams, poor performances in the bedroom, dirty conditons, poor infratructure, lousy food, i can go on and on.

i think maybe some just must be pissed and are posting just to get their frustration out. that is ok, but i am trying to figure out if there is a true upside to this place.[/quote]

been visiting ac for years. philippines for 30 years and ac for about 15..never had a problem. cant really say much more than that. be nice(but firm) with the girls...enjoy yourself and have a great time. some of the above claims depend a lot on how you live while you are there. some guys dont want to spend their money or dont have much to spend... i dont understand that mentality. if you cant afford to be there..stay at home..save up till you can afford a good time.

jmho

flying scotsman

[QUOTE=Flying Scotsman]Been visiting AC for years. Philippines for 30 years and AC for about 15..never had a problem. Cant really say much more than that. Be nice(but firm) with the girls...enjoy yourself and have a great time. Some of the above claims depend a lot on how you live while you are there. Some guys dont want to spend their money or dont have much to spend... i dont understand that mentality. If you cant afford to be there..stay at home..save up till you can afford a good time.

jmho

flying scotsman[/QUOTE]OK, thanks.

I am lucky, I have a great retirement, so money is not a problem. It just seems like people have more complaints than positive experiences. I am going to be flying a long ways to get there. I guess I will have to find out for myself.

i just returned from 5 days in angeles and had a great time there. a guy can have a great time there or a truly lousy time; it's up to him. it's what you make it.

if you are concerned about rip-offs, every tourist destination has them. just do your research on the board and you should be able to avoid them. and at the end of the day, what we would call a rip-off in the philippines would still be cheap in the west.

over priced drinks? the most expensive ladies drinks are 300p. just tell the waitress that you will buy the girl a single, which should be 100 to 150p. do the math.

police raids? yes, there are some. but if you are a customer and not doing anything to attract attention they will leave you alone.

poor performances in the beadroom? depends on your skills in picking the right girl. this applies anywhere.

dirty conditions and poor infrastructure? welcome to the philippines. find a clean hotel and avoid the bumps on the road.

lousy food? some truth in this to be sure. but on this trip i took the time to figure out which local food is edible and healthy. you can eat well if you make an effort.

if you go to the philippines looking for all of the negative things that you mentioned, i guarantee that you will find them. but if you go there with some research under your hat and a smile on your face you will have an awesome time.

raz



[quote=luvpuss]i do have a trip planned to ac in april.

but, after reading this site and another, i am rethinking.

a fair share of post are regarding rip offs, over prices drinks, police raids, **** girls, scams, poor performances in the bedroom, dirty conditons, poor infratructure, lousy food, i can go on and on.

i think maybe some just must be pissed and are posting just to get their frustration out. that is ok, but i am trying to figure out if there is a true upside to this place.[/quote]

Thank you for your kind response to my queries.

I acknowledged that I am a bit slow in digesting the vast amount of information posted on this forum. But then again as with my other trips to other mongering destinations (where I am going for the first or numerous times), I will normally make it a point to read as much as possible from ISG.

Sometime given my limited imagination span (and possibly IQ???), it is harder to join the "dots" together just from reading the many posts. I decided to politely asked for information on this forum in the hope that "experts" who have been in Manila and Angeles for many years and have made thousands of posting might extend a helping hand to another fellow forum members, so that I may planned my trip properly and hopefully to avoid as many "pitfalls" as possible for my virgin trip there.

I hope that I may yet find a kind and generous "expert" on the Manila and Angeles scene to show me that there is indeed "a light at the end of the tunnel" for a first-timer to The Philippines.

I thank you in advance.

Cheers
normad2020




[QUOTE=X Man]Thank you for reading thru the forum before posting your questions. What is it about the previously posted information about bus/ private bus / taxi / private hire that you don't understand?

Door to door, you'll probably need to do a private hire. You didn't tell us what time the meeting is, but that is probably irrelevant. You might save a few pesos by asking your hotel of choice what their fee would be....then bargain from there. X[/QUOTE]

[quote=luvpuss]i do have a trip planned to ac in april.

but, after reading this site and another, i am rethinking.

a fair share of post are regarding rip offs, over prices drinks, police raids, **** girls, scams, poor performances in the bedroom, dirty conditons, poor infratructure, lousy food, i can go on and on.

i think maybe some just must be pissed and are posting just to get their frustration out. that is ok, but i am trying to figure out if there is a true upside to this place.[/quote]

i am sure the angels in heaven complain there are too many clouds also. if you review all the boards, for the philippines, if you review the boards here for thailand, brazil, colombia, etc, you will find all full of negatives. the nature of man perhaps.

a rip off in a bar will cost you $2 u,s., that is what most are describing, in cost of ladies drinks. overpriced drinks will cost you the difference between 50 peso and 90 peso, that is the difference in prices between bars and amounts to less than $1. the police raids, few that occur are against the bar owners, not the customers, they hardly ever take the customers unless you are standing in the middle of the bar, with your pants at your ankles getting a blow job (that is also possible here). if you barfine in the bar, you will not have a problem with **** girls, the girl is licensed and if she is by some chance ****, its the bar's responsibility, not the customers. scams occur on the streets with street people, dont' engage them and you can't be scammed. poor performance in the bedroom can happen with any girl in any country, paid or not paid and is generally in the eye of the beholder. there are so many girls that the occasional bad performance does not matter, just move on, find what you like. yes, it is dirty here, people come for the girls, there is little other than that. the nicer the hotel, the better you will like it, like anywhere. most bars are nicely done, whatever is outside is forgotten once inside. you don't need infrastructure here, its either in the bar or hotel, the only pain is the trip from manila to ac, just due to traffic. the food is not bad here, its just not gourmet. its good basic food. there are a couple of restaurants that serve a nice spread for a few more dollars, but in general there is nothing wrong with the food here.

most who post on this board are experienced mongers and often very experienced visitors to ac. they are arguing minutia among themselves, in the mongering hobby, perhaps the difference between wine expert and a guy like me who orders wine with dinner. so they go on at times about what could be improved or what they don't like about a bar. hungry for news of ac, they talk about a police raid or an occasional scam. they also discuss endlessly at times, saving a dollar here or there, but often because they do so much travel here, they do have to maintain some semblence of a budget, get the most bang for the buck.

the questions to ask yourself are as follows: 1) do you like girls, in particular the look of filipina girls? 2) are you coming here to monger versus some type of scenic tour? 3) can you afford to spend approx. $100 to $150 per day on food, girls and drink? if the answer to these questions are yes, you will have an excellent time here. now for the no questions: 1) do you plan to search for **** girls? 2) are you interested in drugs? 3) when you get drunk, or in general are you a basically aggressive individual or have a generally bad attitude with people? in short, do you like to look for trouble? if the answer to these questions is no, then you will not have to worry about getting into trouble here.

ac has an immense number of girls, for the most part they are willing and friendly. as with anywhere, if your tastes are somewhat unusual, then you will have to search a little more for what you want, but can find it. meaning not every girl is a three holer, some don't want or not very good at bj, threesomes and more take a little arranging and a little luck, some may be shy to camera's and toys, that sort of thing.

read some of the stories from the first time travellers, think there is one in the last couple of days in this thread. some positive and some negatives, but overall most are satisfied.

[QUOTE=RasSpewtin]Over priced drinks? The most expensive ladies drinks are 300P. Just tell the waitress that you will buy the girl a single, which should be 100 to 150P. Do the math.[/QUOTE]For regular ladies drink, ~150P, the girl gets 50 commission. Watch out when they order a San Mig lite, that counts as a double at 280-300P, of which the girl then gets 140-150. Guess which one they'll try for? Just tell the girl or the waitress you'll buy a SINGLE, and that's that. Avoid the guzzlers.

[QUOTE]Lousy food? Some truth in this to be sure. But on this trip I took the time to figure out which local food is edible and healthy. You can eat well if you make an effort.

Raz[/QUOTE]never bothered with McDonald's back home, but here, with Jollibee, those are two of the refuge from over salted Philippines s**t. Take a look at the over 30 ladies; they've all become rolly pollys from water retention.

Oh yeah, get the roasted chicken that vendors sell all over Fields. Just buy one for 160P and eat-in at the hotel with your date.

[QUOTE=RasSpewtin]A guy can have a great time there or a truly lousy time; it's up to him. It's what you make it.[/QUOTE]So true, more than any other place I know in Asia. The point-and-shag approach just doesn't work here. The girls want to have fun, and if you give them a bit of it they'll show you a great time.

Physically the place is still a shithole, but food and accommodations have improved enormously over the past five or ten years. The bars overall may not be quite as good as they used to be, but at any given time it's not hard to find at least a dozen or so that still have good girls and good attitudes.

I can understand how the place isn't for everyone, and that's OK. Get a taste for it though, and it's easy to get hooked.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]You are just wrong. There is no way the AVERAGE for these girls is 2 to 3 barfines a week. If you tripled the number of tourist who go there they could not barfine all these girls 2 to 3 times in a week. Alantis alone has close to 300 girls on one shift with 3 shifts of girls. If 20 are barfined in any one night that would be a good night. Crystal palace almost the same, Dollhouse the same, Pony tails around 150 girls each shift. The average girl is lucky to get bar fined period in a week. Are there some who get 2 and 3 barfines in a week. Sure but the majority of girls do NOT. Only those exceptional beauties. And when you talk about bars that have a lot of girls but are not glitsy. Like Lancelot, Champagne, and all the bar in upper perimeter. Lost in Asia. Where the same 4 or 5 girls get bar fined.

That is one of the misconception of a lot of guys. Just because you ask the beauty you are with. How often she is barfined doesn't mean that is most girls.

During the week days AC has considerably less numbers of tourist. So it is impossible everygirl or even 1/2 the girls in AC get even 1 barfine each week. There just isn't that many guys, including expat that live there. Especially since alot of them don't barfine and have wive and just Drinkers now with the occasional on the side ST. But nothing like a tourist. Your numbers are just way off.

The reason why most of these girls don't have jobs in the Mall is because they don't qualify. You have to be either a college grad, in college or one of the brightest students in your school to land a job in the PI. Thats even at Jolliebees. Most of the girls in fields came from poor families, a lot dropped out of school, did poorly in school, or couldn't afford to go to college.

Besides a lot come from remote areas where there are no malls. They can't just fly 2 islands over put in an application. Stay in a hotel to wait to see if they get the job. And then what? Where do they live. How do they eat waiting to see if they got the job?. You have to remember how poor the families are that these girls come from.[/QUOTE]

Ok, then one point being made, from the original discussion I contributed to, is that the girls are choosing to be in the business and not being conned into it. That they make more money in the business, than the meager alternatives, but still a choice, no? Another point you are making is that there are a huge number of girls here, far more than the customers can consume, ready and willing to be available for someone? That the girls that are available, unlike the brothels in other countries, are not all f..cked out, and in many cases quite fresh? Further, that the difference between a girl one might pick up in the mall (as a reference) is no different than a girl in the bar (except for education)?

Ultimately the primary point might be that there are thousands of willing young fresh girls to entertain all the guests who might be coming to Angeles, showing them the time of their life? That the selection is huge, that the volume of bars are huge and everyone is willing to have a good time.

Hilarious. Thank you for the over extended politeness ... sarcasm noted.

Pseudo experts like me are often criticized by the likes of D'etat or JackoffSheet, maybe they'll answer your questions. Don't hold your breath.

I personally like to help out newbies if I think they are worth it. After about five years at ISG, I have a pretty good feel for those who are worth it and those who aren't.

Normad, my friend, I suspect you are a ISG vampire. You'll suck up any information you can, but give nothing in return. After all, you didn't answer my simple questions which would have made it easier to answer your questions.

What was your question again? No wait, let me quote just in case anyone is chomping at the bit to help you out....

NORMAND:My situation:

I am scheduled to attend a meeting in Manila on 13 May 2010. As I will be flying in from Malaysia (AirAsia), I want to stay at Angeles and commute (day trip) to Manila (InterContinental Hotel) for the meeting.

My question are:

(1) as I planned to stay in Angeles (1 week) is there any bus services that can take me to my meeting venue and back?

(2) is there any bus services (like in Pattaya) where they deliver you from door-to-door?

I do not fancy taking the taxi as I rather use the money for mongering ;-)

normad2020


[QUOTE=Normad2020]Thank you for your kind response to my queries.

I acknowledged that I am a bit slow in digesting the vast amount of information posted on this forum. But then again as with my other trips to other mongering destinations (where I am going for the first or numerous times), I will normally make it a point to read as much as possible from ISG.

Sometime given my limited imagination span (and possibly IQ???), it is harder to join the "dots" together just from reading the many posts. I decided to politely asked for information on this forum in the hope that "experts" who have been in Manila and Angeles for many years and have made thousands of posting might extend a helping hand to another fellow forum members, so that I may planned my trip properly and hopefully to avoid as many "pitfalls" as possible for my virgin trip there.

I hope that I may yet find a kind and generous "expert" on the Manila and Angeles scene to show me that there is indeed "a light at the end of the tunnel" for a first-timer to The Philippines.

I thank you in advance.

Cheers
normad2020[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Luvpuss]I do have a trip planned to AC in April.
But, after reading this site and another, I am rethinking.
[/QUOTE]

I say go to Angeles. There is no other place quite like it. I have been there 4 times since 2006. I am 54, jolly, don't get sloppy drunk and just try to be congenial.
I have never experienced a single problem in Angeles.

I usually end up with a couple of girls thru a whole night. Always have a good time and never refused anything.

Enjoy it, Bob