American Politics

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2632185]Yep, that's the favorite old Repub anti-California chestnut!

"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded!

LOL.

I lived in California for decades until about 8 years ago. I still have dozens of happy and satisfied friends living in the LOS Angeles area, watching their property values increase significantly annually, their salaries increase, their retirement investments improve substantially, their kids grow and thrive in good schools, active year round in great weather.

when the Neither I nor any of them ever considered moving out of California because of the junk and problems you apparently found to wallow in and harp on for a single moment. The shittiest times I ever had anywhere in the USA were when Repubs were in the White House having it their way, which meant a Great Repub Crash, Recession and Millions of Jobs wiped out all across the country.[/QUOTE]I have lived in California all my life (more than 60 years).

As a homeowner for over 35 years I have greatly enjoyed the boom times when the democrats ran things in Washington.

As well as suffering through the downturns that gloomy republican administrations in the bad times delivered.

Since Joe Biden took office my home value has soared this year.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2632185]Yep, that's the favorite old Repub anti-California chestnut!

"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded!

LOL.

I lived in California for decades until about 8 years ago. I still have dozens of happy and satisfied friends living in the LOS Angeles area, watching their property values increase significantly annually, their salaries increase, their retirement investments improve substantially, their kids grow and thrive in good schools, active year round in great weather.

Neither I nor any of them ever considered moving out of California because of the junk and problems you apparently found to wallow in and harp on for a single moment. The shittiest times I ever had anywhere in the USA were when Repubs were in the White House having it their way, which meant a Great Repub Crash, Recession and Millions of Jobs wiped out all across the country.[/QUOTE]It was different 8 years ago. 8 years ago democrats were not defunding the police. 8 years ago VP Harris was prosecuting criminals not bailing them out of jail. 8 years ago the democrat party on California were democrats not socialists. 8 years ago schools weren't teaching critical race theory. By the way what were the Republican policies that caused the Great Republican crash that you keep talking about that wiped out millions of jobs. I can't seem to find that in past history. What year was that?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2631839]I live in California. Every day on our news we have looters robbing stores. 10 to 90 black looters hitting California stores every day. San Francisco and LA the worst. Walgreens has closed several stores in San Fran because they are getting robbed daily. Stores have limited hours because they are getting robbed every night. It is not a crime to steal under $1000 in a store and no police will come so 20 people steal $900 each. Maybe CNN does not report this but it is on our local news daily. Murders are up 30% to 100% in our major cities in 2021. Our government both local and federal with defunding the police has made California and the USA less safe. Especially in democrat run states. The newly elected black mayor of New York City has promised to increase the police force and to start decreasing crime and locking criminals up. BLM leader has promised bloodshed and destruction if he gets tough on crime. Democrats will keep pulling up distorted statistics and say there is no crime problem. I live here. I see it every day. Obviously you do not live in a democrat state or even in the USA or you would be a lot smarter.[/QUOTE]You keep lying.

You have brought up the following falsehood several times "It is not a crime to steal under $1000 in a store". This is pure, unadulterated BS. Try reading the following because there aren't many bigly words in it so you should be able to understand. [URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-160551360299[/URL].

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2632376]You keep lying.

You have brought up the following falsehood several times "It is not a crime to steal under $1000 in a store". This is pure, unadulterated BS. Try reading the following because there aren't many bigly words in it so you should be able to understand. [URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-160551360299[/URL].[/QUOTE]It is a crime but the police don't handle any crime in CA under $1000 and they are not arrested or charged with a crime. If it is over $1000 and they are charged they are released immediately under CA bail laws. So in fact it is a crime that goes unpunished therefore continuing daily. Try telling the stores that are getting robbed daily that people are being arrested and are in jail. Camera footage shows same groups robbing same stores daily. I am sure you support this.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2632368]It was different 8 years ago. 8 years ago democrats were not defunding the police. 8 years ago VP Harris was prosecuting criminals not bailing them out of jail. 8 years ago the democrat party on California were democrats not socialists. 8 years ago schools weren't teaching critical race theory. By the way what were the Republican policies that caused the Great Republican crash that you keep talking about that wiped out millions of jobs. I can't seem to find that in past history. What year was that?[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] There was no difference between now and 8 years ago other than the massive destruction of most things Trump touched.

You think it is just a wild coincidence that every major economic downturn of the past 100 years began on a Repub so-called potus' watch? It is different policies all the time. In Trump's case it was defunding the CDC and pulling out every one of their Pandemic Prevention and Response Teams from those Chinese labs in 2018 against all expert advice not to do something so dangerous, foolish and unnecessary. Then when the experts' warnings did indeed come to fruition in late 2019/ early 2020, he lied to the world about his colossal blunder result being a "Democrat Party HOAX! We've got this under control! There will be NO coronavirus in the Fall (of 2020). " Then he spent a year telling the world "It will go away without a vaccine!

Result? The huge economic Crash, massive USA job losses by the millions and, yep, the inevitable inflation due to his cowardice and lies destroying supply chains all around the world for years afterwards.

For Hoover, Eisenhower, Nixon / Ford, Reagan, Bush1 and Bush2, their huge or multiple Recessions were due to other new and unprecedented methods. But more often than not, as it was with Trump's Economic Disaster, it came down to them either doing nothing when the time and the Dems were begging them to do this or that or finally doing the exact wrong thing in response to a normal otherwise manageable economic cycle: as in being consistently mistaken that cutting taxes disproportionately for top income margins at the expense of all the other margins will create some magical Supply-Side / Trickle-Down economic expansion and jobs creation that NEVER has happened in the history of America and instead does exactly what any intelligent person would predict; it makes the super wealthy even wealthier and everyone else poorer.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2632376]You keep lying.

You have brought up the following falsehood several times "It is not a crime to steal under $1000 in a store". This is pure, unadulterated BS. Try reading the following because there aren't many bigly words in it so you should be able to understand. [URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-160551360299[/URL].[/QUOTE]He also continues to refer to organized retail theft, as in the smash-and-grab robberies taking place in big cities around the country, as "looting" in California. They are not "looting" in the legal sense in California:

[URL]https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/463/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Penal Code 463 PC - California's "looting" laws. In Penal Code 463 PC, California law defines the crime of looting as taking advantage of a state of emergency to commit burglary, grand theft or petty theft. Looting can be charged as a misdemeanor or a felony and is punishable by up to 3 years in jail.[/QUOTE]Those smash-and-grab robberies have nothing to do with a state of emergency. They are organized retail theft crimes taking place in broad daylight in many cases and having nothing to do with otherwise ordinary law-abiding citizens seizing upon the opportunity to steal goods during a state of emergency.

And, BTW, Tough On Crime Democratic California Governor Gavin Newsom passed a law allowing prosecutors to charge it as a felony regardless of the dollar amount, as is also stated in your link:

[QUOTE]Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a law Wednesday aimed at curbing organized retail theft, according to Associated Press reporting. The law allows prosecutors to seek to charge the offense as either a misdemeanor or a felony.[/QUOTE]

Here he at length speaks out against popular Republican lies and conspiracy theories.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/audio/podcasts/axe-files?episodeguid=8892587d-462e-4341-936b-ade70152540b[/URL]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2632429]It is a crime but the police don't handle any crime in CA under $1000 and they are not arrested or charged with a crime. If it is over $1000 and they are charged they are released immediately under CA bail laws.[/QUOTE]Well, time to stand corrected again. Because your revised claim is still a chicanery.

Proposition 47 did not end prosecution of thefts under $950 in California.

[QUOTE]CLAIM: Under Proposition 47 in California thefts under $950 will not be prosecuted.

AP ASSESSMENT: False. Proposition 47 was passed in California in 2014 and reclassified felony theft offenses as misdemeanors. It did not allow shoplifting and petty theft to go unprosecuted.

THE FACTS: The false claim about the proposition circulated on social media with a video showing two individuals walking out of a T.J. Maxx in Granada Hills, California, with duffle bags filled with merchandise and their arms filled with clothing on hangers. No one attempted to stop the pair as they walked out of the store and through the parking lot.

The scene was captured on video by another person in the store and circulated widely on news media.

Adam Carolla, a comedian who hosts a podcast, posted the video to Facebook along with a false comment about Proposition 47.

Thanks to Prop 47 thefts under $950 will not be prosecuted, Carolla commented on the post. So cops will not bother showing up. Just a reminder that you get what you voted for, California!

But the post is incorrect. The 2014 proposition modified, but did not eliminate, sentencing for many nonviolent property and drug crimes.

According to Alex Bastian, special advisor to Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascn who co-authored Prop 47, most shoplifting was already prosecuted as a misdemeanor anyway.

What Prop 47 did is increase the dollar amount by which theft can be prosecuted as a felony from $400 to $950 to adjust for inflation and cost of living, Bastian said. But most shoplifting cases are under $400 dollars to begin with, so before Prop 47 and after Prop 47, there isnt any difference.

Proposition 47 was enacted to comply with a 2011 California Supreme Court order, which upheld that Californias overcrowded prisons violated incarcerated individuals Eighth Amendment rights against cruel and unusual punishment.

In 2011, our prisons were bursting at the seams, and California was ranked either first or second behind Texas as having the highest per capita incarceration rate of any state in the country, Kubrin said. It was so bad that the Supreme Court stepped in and told us we needed to reduce our prison population by 33,000 individuals.

So the goal of Prop 47 was to limit our prison population, to reduce the number of people that we send to state prisons, said Kubrin. Prop 47 has achieved that goal while not causing crime rates to go up.[/QUOTE]So are you lying are ill-informed? Because it's either one or another, no third choice here.

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-160551360299[/URL]

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2632429]It is a crime but the police don't handle any crime in CA under $1000 and they are not arrested or charged with a crime. If it is over $1000 and they are charged they are released immediately under CA bail laws. So in fact it is a crime that goes unpunished therefore continuing daily. Try telling the stores that are getting robbed daily that people are being arrested and are in jail. Camera footage shows same groups robbing same stores daily. I am sure you support this.[/QUOTE]So what you're saying is that you would prefer that California Law Enforcement agencies aggressively pursue sub-$950 shoplifting crimes while letting murder, rape, sexual abuse, bank robbery and other major crimes go unpunished. Because that's what you'll get. All Law Enforcement agencies have always had a limited amount of manpower to pursue crime. You would rather that they pursue minor crimes while letting dangerous crimes go unpunished.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2632469]He also continues to refer to organized retail theft, as in the smash-and-grab robberies taking place in big cities around the country, as "looting" in California. They are not "looting" in the legal sense in California:

[URL]https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/463/[/URL]

Those smash-and-grab robberies have nothing to do with a state of emergency. They are organized retail theft crimes taking place in broad daylight in many cases and having nothing to do with otherwise ordinary law-abiding citizens seizing upon the opportunity to steal goods during a state of emergency.

And, BTW, Tough On Crime Democratic California Governor Gavin Newsom passed a law allowing prosecutors to charge it as a felony regardless of the dollar amount, as is also stated in your link:[/QUOTE]Ha, Ha, Ha. That is funny! Tough on crime Gov Newsome. That is the best joke I have heard in a long time. If he wants a so tough on crime how come this is happening every day? Walgreens is losing stores because Newsome is tough on crime. This is a joke but the looting is a serious problem. You can't spin it different.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2632368]It was different 8 years ago. 8 years ago democrats were not defunding the police. 8 years ago VP Harris was prosecuting criminals not bailing them out of jail. 8 years ago the democrat party on California were democrats not socialists. 8 years ago schools weren't teaching critical race theory. By the way what were the Republican policies that caused the Great Republican crash that you keep talking about that wiped out millions of jobs. I can't seem to find that in past history. What year was that?[/QUOTE]During the campaign!

When the GOP takes back the house and Senate next year they should impeach her for that.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2632599]So what you're saying is that you would prefer that California Law Enforcement agencies aggressively pursue sub-$950 shoplifting crimes while letting murder, rape, sexual abuse, bank robbery and other major crimes go unpunished. Because that's what you'll get. All Law Enforcement agencies have always had a limited amount of manpower to pursue crime. You would rather that they pursue minor crimes while letting dangerous crimes go unpunished.[/QUOTE]No I am saying California laws and policies make law enforcement almost impossible. Democrat policies are also letting murders and rapists get out of jail sooner. With the defunding of police forces and liberal prosecutors letting criminals walk every day the police have no chance of handling the crime. Some criminals are arrested 2 or 3 times a week and released. Every day in California it is getting worse. It is worse this year than last and 2022 will be even worse. It is becoming dangerous to shop in places like Home Depot and shopping malls. I realize you don't care if it is less safe for our kids but I do.

When Biden was campaigning he said Trump did not have a clue on how to handle Covid and he had a plan to end Covid. After millions more have been vaccinated in 2021 and Biden doing nothing no one can figure out what is plan is. The death numbers came out this week and already more people in USA have died in 11 months from Covid than the total for all of 2020. Why are Biden death numbers higher than Trump death numbers?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2632777]When Biden was campaigning he said Trump did not have a clue on how to handle Covid and he had a plan to end Covid. After millions more have been vaccinated in 2021 and Biden doing nothing no one can figure out what is plan is. The death numbers came out this week and already more people in USA have died in 11 months from Covid than the total for all of 2020. Why are Biden death numbers higher than Trump death numbers?[/QUOTE]Yeah, but the vast majority of USA Covid deaths now are Repubs who bought the con Trump was selling all through 2020 that it was a "Democrat Party HOAX!" and "This will go away without a vaccine!" For everyone else Biden's efforts to save millions of American lives have been a resounding success.

If Repubs are so intent upon committing Suicide By Trump's Pandemic Virus and permanently remove themselves from the voter rolls by refusing to get vaxxed, there is nothing Biden can do to stop them. Unless you are suggesting Biden sign an Executive Order requiring every American to get fully vaccinated or be incarcerated.

Is that what you want Biden to do?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2632620]Ha, Ha, Ha. That is funny! Tough on crime Gov Newsome. That is the best joke I have heard in a long time. If he wants a so tough on crime how come this is happening every day? Walgreens is losing stores because Newsome is tough on crime. This is a joke but the looting is a serious problem. You can't spin it different.[/QUOTE]Yes, Tough On Crime Newsom passed a law that prosecutors can charge every member of an organized smash-and-grab robbery, which is not the crime of "looting" BTW, with a felony even if all they got away with was a candy bar. That is known as deterring a crime from being committed in the first place.

As far as stopping smash-and-grab robberies in process, which are not only happening in California, is your brilliant idea to accomplish that to line the streets with SWAT Teams blocking windows and doors of every retail store 24/7 on the chance that any one of those stores could be targeted by the sudden arrival of such a team in a car or truck at any moment?

Do you have any idea how much funding and manpower that would require in California and around the country, not to mention the decline in the high quality of life so many Californians enjoy?

California catches, prosecutes and incarcerates plenty. How do you think their prisons got so full?