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[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795021]I think you made a lot of fuss out of nothing. I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that. There are scenarios where guys solicit services and then leave without paying. Even outside of Thailand, it is commonly industry standard that you pay beforehand.

What exactly are you wanting to achieve by paying after? Are you not going to pay her properly if you don't like the service?

She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.

You did waste her time so I can see how she wouldn't be happy. You are too paranoid.[/QUOTE]A FL wanting to be paid up front is a bad sign. At least that's what I found in my two decades plus here. I've never and would never pay one up front. In addition, being in the room for 2 or 3 minutes is not a waste of her time and physically assaulting someone is never okay. I assume the poster in question was polite and simply wanted to call off the session and to make matters worse, Thermae is in the basement of the Ruamchit, so he's "wasted" maybe 10 minutes. Lest we forget gentleman, we are the customers, always be polite, respectful, and never try to push a girl's boundaries, but don't accept and for Pete's sake don't tip for bad service. Call off the session.

[QUOTE=Cigarist;2794833]1st time posting here, although been a member for a while. Just wanted to share my experience regarding Thermae yesterday.

Picked the girl, petite girl around 1. 55-1. 6 m dressed in white, mid 20-ish. Went up to the room at the Ruamchitt upstairs and that's when the drama began. She demanded to be paid upfront, I rejected and said the norm was to pay after. Back and forth for a minute or so, I just said forget it I have already paid foe the room it but you can go back down.

She wanted to be teinbursed because she said I "wasted her time". Bear in mind, this was roughly about 2-3 minutes from when we met in the bar and we were both still fully clothed at this point.

I refused and she promptly went insane and lunged at me. Nasty scratches on my arm and bleeding. Suffice to say, I didn't lay a finger on her.

Not sure what I should have done. Call the police?

Freelancers I think, are just a lot more unpredictable than if you go to a gogo bar or massage parlor.[/QUOTE]First of all the amount of restraint you showed is admirable and likely saved you a LOT of trouble. I would like to think I would have similar restraint if some lady started drawing blood, but honestly I hope I am never confronted with that situation. I cannot say I have never paid up front, but I will say that every time I have done so, I wished I hadn't. I get that some assholes just walk out without paying, but the other side of the coin is there a ladies that if they don't have an "incentive" don't hold up their end of the bargain as well. Most of the time if I still have a good vibe after she says pay in advance, I will offer to pay half before and the rest when we are done, or put the money in a visible place so she knows it is available. If the request just kills the mood, then I do exactly what you did and decline the service. The issue would be if she had to travel for a while to get to the location, which in your case she did not. I would certainly pay for her taxi back to the club or some reasonable fare, but that was something you did not have to deal with. I subscribe to the "we are the customers" theory, but understand it is a very personal transaction, so will allow some leeway. I don't like to be manipulated, so as soon as I get the feeling they are trying to leverage the situation in that manner I walk away. The good thing about BK is that you don't have to go far to find another opportunity. There is a LOT of the GPS feeling going around these days it seems, and fortunately I am not inclined to participate in enabling that issue. I treat the ladies with respect, right up to the moment they show they are not deserving of being treated like a lady.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795021]I think you made a lot of fuss out of nothing. I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that. There are scenarios where guys solicit services and then leave without paying. Even outside of Thailand, it is commonly industry standard that you pay beforehand.

What exactly are you wanting to achieve by paying after? Are you not going to pay her properly if you don't like the service?

She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.

You did waste her time so I can see how she wouldn't be happy. You are too paranoid.[/QUOTE]Hey WTF, I don't know where you have been mongering, but you are dead wrong on this. Paying a freelance working girl in advance is not the industry standard. No anywhere I like to go. Not in Thailand, Cambodia, Jakarta, Yangon, Singapore, MNL, RJ, or Sao Paulo. The only exceptions are when you are dealing with the house as in a soapy or oily massage parlor in BKK, a Macau Sauna, or a Sao Paulo Clinica. For every other situation that I can think of you should never pay in advance. Paying a freelance working girl in advance is a sure-fire way to significantly increase one's percentage of bad sessions. Why? Because paying in advance creates a moral hazard that some girls cannot resist. If you want to be hit with, "did you cum my darling, please cum" after 10 minutes of play, then pay in advance by all means. 555.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795055] how far would it be expected that a typical freelancer or barfined gogo girl be willing to go in a taxi, to someone's room? Is 30 minutes reasonable and when done, you pay her return taxi fare on top?[/QUOTE]They will always ask you where you're staying so once you tell her that's up to the girl. If this is LT then she will likely travel over 30 minutes and will depend on if your hotel is in the direction of her home. If she's not popular then 30+ minutes would not matter to her. Longest I've dragged a girl in BKK would be from Thermae to Patpong which can take 30 minutes on a bad traffic night.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795055] awkward question but if in a 69 position getting BBBJ, what exactly is the protocol when the guy is ready to pop and nothing has been negotiated beforehand? I was previously in this position with a freelancer and I wonder what would have happened if I just kept going, as I instead stopped the action and finished on the girl's leg. She didn't look too thrilled, but I'm not sure what is a more graceful method or place to finish.[/QUOTE]Just do CIM. If a girl doesn't allow CIM she will tell you before she starts. I think what they don't like is if you cum on their hair or all over their face because that more or less ends her night.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795021]I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that. [/QUOTE]I have never been asked to pay up front in Thailand unless I am paying the bar like a G Club, Soi 6, soapie, gogo bar, etc. I would not pay a girl up front.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795021]She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.[/QUOTE]They do? I don't see Thermae girls walking up to anyone at the bar to drop off their ID or to pick up their ID from the bar before they leave with me.

[QUOTE=Cigarist;2794833]Thermae yesterday. Picked the girl, petite girl around 1. 55-1. 6 m dressed in white, mid 20-ish. Went up to the room at the Ruamchitt upstairs and that's when the drama began. She demanded to be paid upfront[/QUOTE]Thanks for providing a description. This is the perfect place to remember and post a girl's name. Where did she stand in the bar?

Never had this happen but your gut told you the right thing to do. Personally if a girl started freaking out I'd offer 500 or 1000 baht to go away. Don't agree that you wasted her her time but more just to diffuse a bad situation with a desperate girl. Bad shit can happen in Thailand it's not worth it to save a few baht.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795282]
Just do CIM. If a girl doesn't allow CIM she will tell you before she starts. I think what they don't like is if you cum on their hair or all over their face because that more or less ends her night.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip. I did it upper thigh so she may have been concerned it could get close to her hair.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795282] never been asked to pay up front in Thailand unless I am paying the bar like a G Club, Soi 6, soapie, gogo bar, etc. I would not pay a girl up front.

They do? I don't see Thermae girls walking up to anyone at the bar to drop off their ID or to pick up their ID from the bar before they leave with me.[/QUOTE]And if the girl wanted money up front, how would you react? I see in the fiwfans support channel where girls post experiences of guys who do the deed and then leave without paying, so it happens. Like the other guy said, it likely depends on whether the girl has had a bad experience before.

I would also imagine that girls are incentivized to ask for money afterwards, so it's more likely the guy will include a tip. But if they noticed something suspicious about the customer beforehand, it'd be safer to ask for cash beforehand.

I read about the ID part on this forum before. That is how they keep the ladyboys out of thermae. They show ID when they enter thermae, not when they leave.

As for this guy's story, I still think he is leaving out information. People usually don't just physically attack someone based on a little misunderstanding of paying before or after.

It's definitely possible that the girl is crazy but honestly I don't really believe this story in the way it was told.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2795258]A FL wanting to be paid up front is a bad sign. At least that's what I found in my two decades plus here. I've never and would never pay one up front. In addition, being in the room for 2 or 3 minutes is not a waste of her time and physically assaulting someone is never okay. I assume the poster in question was polite and simply wanted to call off the session and to make matters worse, Thermae is in the basement of the Ruamchit, so he's "wasted" maybe 10 minutes. Lest we forget gentleman, we are the customers, always be polite, respectful, and never try to push a girl's boundaries, but don't accept and for Pete's sake don't tip for bad service. Call off the session.[/QUOTE]Not just a bad idea, imo, but paying a Freelancer or a bargirl her fee upfront instead of after the sex has been performed as negotiated and agreed upon is one of the worst punter decisions maginable.

Oh I am sure little harm can be done in paying upftont if the punter has no real expectations of anything very good happening in bed, has negotiated nothing in particular, is perfectly content with the most basic fare doled out with a minimum of positive attitude and cooperation.

And, yes yes yes, there will be the oddball exception where a girl paid upfront will deliver at a decent 80% level as agreed upon and expected. But even in those rare outcomes you can assume the punter threw away the remaining 20% that would have been right there for him to enjoy had he not allowed himself to be talked into or bullyed into paying upfront.

Unfortunately, more often than not that foolish decision to pay upfront can produce a worse buzzkill and dreary experience for the next 20 - 30 minutes than if she had actually just taken the money and sprinted out of the hotel.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795021]I think you made a lot of fuss out of nothing. I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that. There are scenarios where guys solicit services and then leave without paying. Even outside of Thailand, it is commonly industry standard that you pay beforehand.

What exactly are you wanting to achieve by paying after? Are you not going to pay her properly if you don't like the service?

She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.

You did waste her time so I can see how she wouldn't be happy. You are too paranoid.[/QUOTE]WTF, you are entitled to your opinion, but I am of the other side of this situation. And to answer your question, yes, if she agreed to my requests and then once in the room refused to participate in the manner she promised, you bet your ass I will change my terms as well. Almost every time I have paid a lady who has no one to answer to (ir free lancer) in advance the service has been less that expected or desired. Most of the time if the girls know there are consequences if they don't at least try to live up to their end of the bargain then they at lease give it a go. My experience is very different to yours in that it is a rarity for the lady to ask for the money upfront unless they are agency girls or something of the like. Sure there are exceptions of course. It sounds like this lady had a case of GPS and was not accustomed to be told "No" or turned down. Also seems she had a touch of psycho ***** thrown in for good measure. Maybe one more thing to get clarification before nodding my head yes. As I see it this lady wasted his time as well, and my time is as valuable as hers, maybe she missed out on a client, but maybe he missed out on the girl of his dreams while dealing with this gal. I would imagine it colored the rest of his evening for certain. I also have NEVER seen the girls give up their ID to enter Thermae, they may have to show one to make sure they are not LB's and are of age, but I have never seen them either give up or retrieve their ID before leaving.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2795320]WTF, you are entitled to your opinion, but I am of the other side of this situation. And to answer your question, yes, if she agreed to my requests and then once in the room refused to participate in the manner she promised, you bet your ass I will change my terms as well. Almost every time I have paid a lady who has no one to answer to (ir free lancer) in advance the service has been less that expected or desired. Most of the time if the girls know there are consequences if they don't at least try to live up to their end of the bargain then they at lease give it a go. My experience is very different to yours in that it is a rarity for the lady to ask for the money upfront unless they are agency girls or something of the like. Sure there are exceptions of course. It sounds like this lady had a case of GPS and was not accustomed to be told "No" or turned down. Also seems she had a touch of psycho ***** thrown in for good measure. Maybe one more thing to get clarification before nodding my head yes. As I see it this lady wasted his time as well, and my time is as valuable as hers, maybe she missed out on a client, but maybe he missed out on the girl of his dreams while dealing with this gal. I would imagine it colored the rest of his evening for certain. I also have NEVER seen the girls give up their ID to enter Thermae, they may have to show one to make sure they are not LB's and are of age, but I have never seen them either give up or retrieve their ID before leaving.[/QUOTE]I had a thermae girl change her mind when we got back to the room once. She wanted money upfront and I said no.

Went down stairs and she said I was violent and she wanted her money. No way. She left empty handed and when I returned to my room my watch was gone.

Learned two lessons that night. Put your watch in the safe and Thai girls are very unpredictable.

Probably had 100 girls in my room and had a few bolt and a couple of thefts. But you get a bit smarter each time and my only advice would be don't think with the lower part of your body.

Have an over-night stay in BKK before a flight to Vietnam early the next morning.

Hotel only 15 minutes from the airport, arriving early afternoon. So will have a few hours to kill. But not really interested in heading into town (feel that way now, but once I arrive plans / desires may change).

Hi guys, I'm taking a break from pinays and going to BKK Sukhumvit 16 and Patts for a week. If my info is correct I can get a taxi to the former for 300 B and to the latter for 1000 B. Is that correct? Plan on hitting some street action and Thermae in BKK and also the FLs and maybe a soapie in Pattaya Beach. Looking for slim and stacked and reasonably priced if anyone has any recommendations much obliged. Cheers.

I used to stay in lat krabang in a 100 dollar a night hotel. I'm fairly sure things would have progressed as my last stay at mariya hotel found me in the beer garden next door talking to two beer girls. I'd not describe then as hot nor would I know if they were available but my guess is I could have got a number. One was quite young probably 21 to 25.

They were certainly suggestively dressed and chatting to all the men folk. Probably more cheap hooters than gogo girls.

As for the area itself a few massage places but I gave up on lat krabang and just booked hotels in the sukuhumvit area because there was so little to do out that way and transfer times were good.

I don't use the word dump lightly. But lat krabang was a dump back then. Only good if you were a plane spotter I reckon. No good food. Nothing good to see. Just cheap hotels.

As for TF yes there were a few ladies out that way and likewise I'm sure some of the ladies from smooci would come out that way in a fully expensed taxi. I remember some here would go to the soapies along the expressway.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;2795359]Have an over-night stay in BKK before a flight to Vietnam early the next morning.

Hotel only 15 minutes from the airport, arriving early afternoon. So will have a few hours to kill. But not really interested in heading into town (feel that way now, but once I arrive plans / desires may change).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2795320]if she agreed to my requests and then once in the room refused to participate in the manner she promised, you bet your ass I will change my terms as well[/QUOTE]Well there was no change in terms because the guy only established the terms after he had already took the girl and paid for the room.

I would just like to hear the other side of the story.

Either the "petite" mid 20's girl was actually psychotic or this guy was aggressive with her or something.

Clearly the girl was so insistent on getting payment beforehand, despite the extra hassle, so perhaps she saw a red flag with him.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2795282]

I have never been asked to pay up front in Thailand unless I am paying the bar like a G Club, Soi 6, soapie, gogo bar, etc. I would not pay a girl up front.

They do? I don't see Thermae girls walking up to anyone at the bar to drop off their ID or to pick up their ID from the bar before they leave with me.

Thanks for providing a description. This is the perfect place to remember and post a girl's name. Where did she stand in the bar?

Never had this happen but your gut told you the right thing to do. Personally if a girl started freaking out I'd offer 500 or 1000 baht to go away. Don't agree that you wasted her her time but more just to diffuse a bad situation with a desperate girl. Bad shit can happen in Thailand it's not worth it to save a few baht.[/QUOTE]Paying up front to a freelancer is simply not the norm in Thailand. I am sure she knew that too. It was all about leverage. But yeah, if I knew she was going to attack me, I probably would have given her a few hundred baht just to f off.

If you made your clockwise run at Thermae, she would be standing on the left hand side in front of those diner booths, around 2/3 rds of the way in before the turn. Out interaction was so brief, I did not even manage to catch her name, she did say she she was from Khon Kaen. She spoke decent english.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2795274]First of all the amount of restraint you showed is admirable and likely saved you a LOT of trouble. I would like to think I would have similar restraint if some lady started drawing blood, but honestly I hope I am never confronted with that situation. I cannot say I have never paid up front, but I will say that every time I have done so, I wished I hadn't. I get that some assholes just walk out without paying, but the other side of the coin is there a ladies that if they don't have an "incentive" don't hold up their end of the bargain as well. Most of the time if I still have a good vibe after she says pay in advance, I will offer to pay half before and the rest when we are done, or put the money in a visible place so she knows it is available. If the request just kills the mood, then I do exactly what you did and decline the service. The issue would be if she had to travel for a while to get to the location, which in your case she did not. I would certainly pay for her taxi back to the club or some reasonable fare, but that was something you did not have to deal with. I subscribe to the "we are the customers" theory, but understand it is a very personal transaction, so will allow some leeway. I don't like to be manipulated, so as soon as I get the feeling they are trying to leverage the situation in that manner I walk away.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2795320]WTF, you are entitled to your opinion, but I am of the other side of this situation. And to answer your question, yes, if she agreed to my requests and then once in the room refused to participate in the manner she promised, you bet your ass I will change my terms as well. Almost every time I have paid a lady who has no one to answer to (ir free lancer) in advance the service has been less that expected or desired. Most of the time if the girls know there are consequences if they don't at least try to live up to their end of the bargain then they at lease give it a go. My experience is very different to yours in that it is a rarity for the lady to ask for the money upfront unless they are agency girls or something of the like. Sure there are exceptions of course. It sounds like this lady had a case of GPS and was not accustomed to be told "No" or turned down. Also seems she had a touch of psycho ***** thrown in for good measure. Maybe one more thing to get clarification before nodding my head yes. As I see it this lady wasted his time as well, and my time is as valuable as hers, maybe she missed out on a client, but maybe he missed out on the girl of his dreams while dealing with this gal. I would imagine it colored the rest of his evening for certain. I also have NEVER seen the girls give up their ID to enter Thermae, they may have to show one to make sure they are not LB's and are of age, but I have never seen them either give up or retrieve their ID before leaving.[/QUOTE]I actually told her the same thing when she said I "wasted her time". I said:"you wasted 3 minutes of my time as well but you can just go back down, and in 20 seconds, you can be back to where you were. " Next thing I know, wolverine-style slash attack. Those were some sharp nails, pretty sure that psychotic witch had some experience using those.

Anyway this really puts me off going to Thermae despite having been there countless times pre-covid, at least at gogo bars and soapies, there is someone you can find if there are any issues.

In all of my 20+ visits to Thailand, I have never thought I would be physically assaulted. I was pretty stunned that night actually, just rode the BTS back to my accoms and called it a night. Absolutely Bonkers.

[QUOTE=Cigarist;2795394]If you made your clockwise run at Thermae, she would be standing on the left hand side in front of those diner booths, around 2/3 rds of the way in before the turn. Out interaction was so brief, I did not even manage to catch her name, she did say she she was from Khon Kaen. She spoke decent english.[/QUOTE]If you mean 2/3 the way down the left side (ie bar side) that would be around where the jukebox is. These are the vets of Thermae who have been there for years. At 9:24 of this video posted yesterday it shows the jukebox area. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpcje0uuOd8[/URL].

Sorry for being persistent here but I think it's pretty important to let others know which girl is unstable.

[QUOTE=WhatTheFack;2795289]And if the girl wanted money up front, how would you react?[/QUOTE]

If she were a FL like Thermae girls I would never pay up front. Then again, if she were one of the hottest girls I ever saw in Thailand I may rethink my MO. I think it was ET who mentioned this but paying a FL up front is a buzzkill. Again, if it's the norm to pay the bar/club up front then nothing you can do to change that.

[QUOTE=DCups;2795369]Hi guys, I'm taking a break from pinays and going to BKK Sukhumvit 16 and Patts for a week. If my info is correct I can get a taxi to the former for 300 B and to the latter for 1000 B. Is that correct? Plan on hitting some street action and Thermae in BKK and also the FLs and maybe a soapie in Pattaya Beach. Looking for slim and stacked and reasonably priced if anyone has any recommendations much obliged. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Taxi from BKK to Sukhumvit is like 400-500 baht total depending on time you're traveling and extra to pay tolls + airport fee. You'll be on a meter so and have to pay tolls in cash then airport surcharge as well. A ride to Sukhumvit to Pattaya is generally more like 1200-1300 baht, a little less if you negotiate or whatever around, its a bit cheaper to come back to Bangkok though.

Slim and stacked is a hard call. Slim is easy in thailand, stacked is much much harder, depending on what you view as stacked. Combing the two is quite the find. For FLs, you always have Soi 4 / Nana area. Otherwise, start on the north side of Sukhumvit from Soi 21 walking west to lower Sois checking out the FLs, and then turn down Soi 11 for a while (if you really wanted you can pop into Thermae too). There will be a lot more FLs on Fri. / sat night then other nights, especially on Soi 11. You will run into a least a couple girls with bigger boobs, but can't say the rest of them will be on point. Also, be wary, the push up bra makes even smaller boobs look a lot bigger, and the FLs know the tricks to make the boobs look better. I've been on the hunt for reliable, DD or bigger boobs in Bangkok and its just not really a thing.

Pattaya Gogos on Walking Street tend to have a lot more girls with larger fake boobs than anywhere you find in Bangkok, significantly more, maybe that's just the style there.