German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=Katinka;1838153]You must visit a different Europe than I visit. In the USA, I charge EVERYTHING. I get a gallon of milk, it goes on my American Express. And American Express pays for all of my business class airfare to Europe in consideration. But when I am in Europe and try to charge something, except in big hotels, I am generally treated like I am some sort of criminal for using a credit card. The culture is so very different.[/QUOTE]Also giving 100 euro bill too. In FKK girls says I don't have change with smile hoping to keep change as tip as they do have change LOL; In shop they look at you like you are a criminal. LOL; I love US for this as you can charge everything on credit card.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1838184]Sweden is supposedly on track to be first cashless country in the world:

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/business/international/in-sweden-a-cash-free-future-nears.html?_r=0[/URL]

Article that outlines cultural reasons why Germans prefer cash:

[URL]http://qz.com/262595/why-germans-pay-cash-for-almost-everything/[/URL][/QUOTE]Abolish cash and you hand the government total power. Their ability to tax will be unlimited. Big Brother will have arrived.

Don't think the real danger is girls stealing your money. You don't take it to the room. You will have to deposit it somewhere during your trip. Hotel. Don't know. That might be a risk. I know of mongers who's lockers were broken into and all the money was gone. Didn't happen at Artemis though.

HB.

As HB says the risk of FKK girl stealing money is low. As he says, lockers, even the small ones for valuables in so called secure areas, are (very rarely) broken into and money stolen. Fortunately for me, my personal experience has been that I have left a locker open for some time, and returned to find everything untouched. Similarly I have lost my locker keys and they were handed in to reception, with everything in my locker untouched

The biggest danger is of an apparent angel with soul searching eyes cultivating a client until he starts offering money to make the poor woman's life better. A less skilful worker will be no danger as the stories of having no food, a sick relative and so on, are sprung too early.

A Romanian scandal sheet recently reported a worker who was given, over a period of time, 300,000 euros by a client.

I have returned many many locker keys to the reception I found in the sauna, locker, rooms, club, shower. I have also closed many many lockers I have found open at Sharks, clothes and wallets inside.

In one cub I returned a wallet I found in my safe to the reception. An hour later the rectptionist came and handed me 20 EUR from the owner who was more than happy to find his wallet untouched and turned in at the reception when he noticed half an hour later and came back to the club.

HB.

[QUOTE=Optimist;1838380]As HB says the risk of FKK girl stealing money is low. As he says, lockers, even the small ones for valuables in so called secure areas, are (very rarely) broken into and money stolen. Fortunately for me, my personal experience has been that I have left a locker open for some time, and returned to find everything untouched. Similarly I have lost my locker keys and they were handed in to reception, with everything in my locker untouched

The biggest danger is of an apparent angel with soul searching eyes cultivating a client until he starts offering money to make the poor woman's life better. A less skilful worker will be no danger as the stories of having no food, a sick relative and so on, are sprung too early.

A Romanian scandal sheet recently reported a worker who was given, over a period of time, 300,000 euros by a client.[/QUOTE]300000 euro? I pay 50,60 for 30 minutes, or for good one 100 or 120 euro max for one hour LOL; he must be a bad business man LOL.

One time I had mistakenly taken somebody else's robe, and had my smartphone in it (or was it my smartphone slipped out?). Luckily when I asked the GT desk, they had it. So, somebody turned it in.

I did say controlled environment in De meaning options for punting in clubs. Controlled. I'd expect many in FKKs would be bringing good mount of Euros with them. Chances of instances are very minor at best due to what has been mentioned. You are provided with all this, and the way it's setup deters these instances from happening unless you are really careless.

Hotels on the other hand, you'd have to be more careful, think of the possibilities. I guess there are scenarios that you'd might be drunk or whatever. You'd have to be prepared for stuff (same goes for when you punt in a country attempt of theft is most frequent). I've read stories about theft during over-nights.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1838223] people have said they have taken girls for the nights and even longer weekends etc, I wonder if the girl running away with some goodies is very uncommon or not. Especially if the amounts are large, like several thousands, it can be tempting for some of them.[/QUOTE]One FKK girl actually admitted to me that she pocketed some small notes for herself before. This was from a customer flaunting his money, and was drunk / high out of his mind. She laughed about it. She only did it because she was certain he wouldn't notice it misssing. I don't think she would have jeopardized her long-term business relationship with this well-paying repeat customer otherwise.

Optimist brought up the most likely scam: milking over a period of time, "innocent, lonely men who think they are in love". If a WG knows that a customer has wife and kids, she may try to extort the customer for a large sum of money. But since this is more criminal in nature, it is one of those, "retire, set myself up for life back in my village, never come back to DE" scenarios.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1838394]300000 euro? I pay 50,60 for 30 minutes, or for good one 100 or 120 euro max for one hour LOL; he must be a bad business man LOL.[/QUOTE]Objectively bad, yes. Some guys are just easily swayed by charm (or anything that pushes the buttons, which I think is quite human). Chances of guys with vulnerability in clubs should be a good percentage, and girls tend to have a good EQ, and can sniff it out. Some are capable of high illusion, like people refer to as selling "love." We pay for all kinds of experiences (some have fetishes, out of kosher stuff that don't get performed much, or something appear to be akin to love, etc..), and beyond the suck and fuck is one of them. The girls can see how amiable you are to them since we are the customer.

I call it akin to virtual reality, but not computerized, analog.

I've heard about Japan having venues that girls offer just kissing for a duration, staring at each other for duration, or napping(spooning) together, so that eludes that an industry that offers particular services has it's merits. Also, gigolos for lonely girls, etc.. In Japan, the types of places analog to guys attending is more girls sit with a paid guy, talking with them, spending time with the girl. Japan is another interesting country, that is clear of certain founding beliefs that may hinder a business opportunity.

I'm generalizing, and sounds cynical, but YEMV.

It seems that people here are discussing about the amount of money spent in these pay-sex venues.

Like many people just stated that they spent at least 5000 EUR per trip.

Makes me think of one thing.

What if we go to Romania or other poor countries directly? Would it be a cheaper way to pick up local Romanian girls than picking up working girls in the German FKK clubs?

Last time I checked the average wages in Romania, it is like under 600 EUR per month.

Would it be easier to find girls that are willing to escort and have sex with you for days or weeks with a lower rate?

Supermodel Gigi Haddid, featured on the cover of this month's Vogue Paris magazine, leaves nothing to the imagination, sporting her finest in FKK fashion:

[URL]http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2016/02/09/gigi-hadid-nude-vogue-paris-cover/80045092/[/URL]

We can only hope that this is a start of a trend that will catch on.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1838465]Objectively bad, yes. Some guys are just easily swayed by charm (or anything that pushes the buttons, which I think is quite human). Chances of guys with vulnerability in clubs should be a good percentage, and girls tend to have a good EQ, and can sniff it out. Some are capable of high illusion, like people refer to as selling "love." We pay for all kinds of experiences (some have fetishes, out of kosher stuff that don't get performed much, or something appear to be akin to love, etc..), and beyond the suck and fuck is one of them. The girls can see how amiable you are to them since we are the customer.

I call it akin to virtual reality, but not computerized, analog.

I've heard about Japan having venues that girls offer just kissing for a duration, staring at each other for duration, or napping(spooning) together, so that eludes that an industry that offers particular services has it's merits. Also, gigolos for lonely girls, etc.. In Japan, the types of places analog to guys attending is more girls sit with a paid guy, talking with them, spending time with the girl. Japan is another interesting country, that is clear of certain founding beliefs that may hinder a business opportunity.

I'm generalizing, and sounds cynical, but YEMV.[/QUOTE]Well I guess people are mentally and emotionally needing something, so I feel that.

I am in FKK for sex and I am needing sex, so I won't be drift away by girls, though I do repeat some of my favorite and also go longer session, it is mutual respect for them and manner.

However, all punters should know that girls are in FKK business to get money, so it can be dangerous place if you begin to fall for them. And many times, they have PIMPS behind them so you are not falling for girls, but you are falling for PIMPS strategy; 300000 euro per client. No wonder why some pimps have millions LOL.

Japan has all these venues you mention, people are lonely here like many places around the globe, so they pay to fulfill their loneliness in many ways LOL; Meanwhile, I just want to fuck many nice young girls as possible, I have seen through, so I just want sex LOL.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1838152]However, beginning from last November, I began doing 5 days trip and divide my 10 days trip in to 2 trips, so it give me more chance to look at LU at different time of year, so increase improbability of catching stunner.
[/QUOTE]LOL. We all got different reasons and strategy for planning FKK trips in different ways. Whereas you stick to one club splitting it into smaller bursts, but more frequent times of year increasing odd of changing LU over time for those stunners. I on the other hand do it in the two most densely populated region with clubs.

Pros and cons to both methods. My pro is multiple clubs checked out, and thus number of girls seen/met expands considerably. If I were to do that for a single club, the LU I see wouldn't be as expansive. With this, I have to pick out the days wisely or take a gamble on which days/times I allot a visit to a particular club. Cons is that my visit to a particular club is limited so I may not meet/see some girls that do not show up on the days I visit. Hence I choose to do this in regions where there are multiple clubs with the highest number of girls working.

Your method may come closer a regular to a club, but different since you visit in spurts that are spaced out much greater time period than a frequently attending regular(local). A regular to a club with a large LU of girls, has a greater advantage over a tourist that shoot for a certain time period out of the year. They attend at a periodic basis, and thus, any new girls that works for a short duration like a week or regular girls that take vacations at times, likely won't be missed, and much greater chance of meeting girls that visit and leave right away.

I've had some good luck in the times picked in the past as I only take trips, and got lucky with running into the right girls on my trip (that disappeared and never saw again on my next trip). So, I increase my odds by spreading my visit to wide range of clubs.

I have stated wide range of clubs means much greater number of girls met/seen. What is consequent from that is, if I meet the perfect girl(s) looks and/or service wise from exploring, I know I struck gold, and I will come back. Just increasing my odds like you in a different way. Also, I know if I don't like the LU at a particular club, I don't fret (if I have several days left over to visit other places) or just take off for some where else. My purpose is the run into the right girl(s)(plural would be a great LU).

Which club you choose to do this depends on what your expectation of the LU of different clubs are. If you are pretty sure the variety at Artemis is to your liking, and know the chances of these stunners to show is the reason you do this I presume. My visits are limited to Artemis for reasons I've mentioned above, so I just have snapshots of the place.

[QUOTE=MrHo;1838549]I have seen through, so I just want sex LOL.[/QUOTE]I admire your spirit of not having mental relationships with women at all and just fucking them all over! LOL!

However, you really have to be careful, because 'feel lonely and then want someone to accompany you for the rest of your life' is human nature.

You have to fight against that nature inside you really hard and throughout your life!

Lots of successful men who determined not to marry and play around end up marrying a more than ordinary woman in the end.

When they are young, they act like you and me, who deeply believed all we need is sex with hot ladies all over the world, rather than trying to know a real companion in our lives.

After they turned 45, 50, or even older, the hormone started to decrease, the urge to fuck hot ladies gradually declined, the feeling of loneliness overweight the urge to fuck.

They know the young and hot ladies are aiming at their money, so they do not trust the young ones; finally, they end up being together with a super-ordinary woman (may be his secretary, his long-term colleague, his old-day female classmate back in college, all of whom have been as old and fat as he is now).

Given the examples above, you always have to hypnotize yourself not to fall into the trap of human nature. LOL!

[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1838607]I admire your spirit of not having mental relationships with women at all and just fucking them all over! LOL!

However, you really have to be careful, because 'feel lonely and then want someone to accompany you for the rest of your life' is human nature.

You have to fight against that nature inside you really hard and throughout your life!

Lots of successful men who determined not to marry and play around end up marrying a more than ordinary woman in the end.

When they are young, they act like you and me, who deeply believed all we need is sex with hot ladies all over the world, rather than trying to know a real companion in our lives.[/QUOTE]Well I agree with you.

I have female friends and some of them are actually hot, but I just do not try with them because that will destroy friendship right? But I go and fuck high end working girls or find ones I like in FKK etc. Do you see my strategy here?

Big CEO or smart business men do not make grave mistake in board room, they make big cash decision and they do make big cash, but in their private lives. They divorce and bang LOL Big loss of cash they made LOL.

I prefer high end prostitute as there is no drama, it is all good and nice and memorable time!!

With normal girls, as long as they are friend it is all good, but once you go out, they are nice at the beginning, but after so much dramas LOL I don't need that shit, plus high end prostitutes are actually cheaper and less problematic etc.

Man, most wives merely think their husbands are ATM, it is just that most husband are too naive to notice it as they watch too much movies. They are all like, no my girl is not like that, but that is the business model of marriage, tricking men to think marriage is all valuable, it used to be back in the day, but in the modern day that we live in.

I have million sex partners out there waiting to get fucked by me in exchange for some cash, and so little cash comparison to marriage that is usually cost you million dollars and also so many drams, uncomforted etc LOL.

I do the math and it is not that rocket science to me man LOL.