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Hi Gents,
Ill be heading to Frankfurt next month for the weekend. I have been reading all the reports and will be going to the palace to make my own mind up.
I am wondering can anyone help me out and point out the other FKK clubs in the city of frankfurt? There names and if they have websites?
Thanks in Advance.
Billy
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Palace is not the best place for newbies.[/QUOTE]You'll learn from your mistakes, so newbies don't be afraid of the sharks at the FKK Palace, just keep your antennas out and trust your instincts or team up with a more experience ISG member.
Shark or not you can still fuck her.
Nille
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen]You'll learn from your mistakes, so newbies don't be afraid of the sharks at the FKK Palace, just keep your antennas out and trust your instincts or team up with a more experience ISG member.
Shark or not you can still fuck her.
Nille[/QUOTE]
Palace is a target for negative reports because A) Located in central FFM, it is visited by so many different FFK-male visitor profiles that, in the ebb and flow of things, more inexperienced club visitors tend to gravitate there; and B) because of point A (see above) more girls naturally gravitate towards a predatory working posture at Palace since too many guys spread their proverbial legs and basically tell the girls with their lack of FKK savoy: Take advantage of me. Rip me off!
The game for these girls is trying to extract as much money from a night in the club as they can. So for many girls who have been in the game for a while, working at Palace is: Well, it's like playing poker with guys who just broadcast their hands with their naive behaviour at the FKK table.
Now the funny thing is: If you go to Palace and really know what's going on there, you can work that line-up of (sometimes) sharky girls, in this way: They say that most shark attacks are really the result of mistaken identity. The shark thinks a human is a seal, so they bite. They say to simply punch the shark or act aggressive at it and it may well swim away.
In FKKs like Palace (and it's most important to realise that, contrary to what some Palace bashers would have you think, this club is NOT the only place to meet such sharky girls), it's all about re-raising, about acting aggressive. The girl approaches you as if you are a tourist or newbie. She says: Oh, a "GFE" session will be at least 100. So you immediately counter by getting intimate with her and lean in during free couch time and try to plant a kiss, a dfk kiss if possible. If she backs off and recoils in disgust, then you have gained information, just like re-raising at poker table. Don't fear this. You have just punched the shark in the mouth and shown her that you are no newbie.
Indeed many of us who have been in the "game" for a while know that Palace holds some of the best erotic experiences in FFKdom. We also know that any club at any time can produce the goods. You just have to know how to play the field you face, the club and FKK situation you are in. Just the way a skier knows that a steep slope with moguls can be treacherous, but if you learn how to ski it and employ the best tactics you can have the ride of your life...
O
[QUOTE=Kingbilly]Hi Gents,
Ill be heading to Frankfurt next month for the weekend. I have been reading all the reports and will be going to the palace to make my own mind up.
I am wondering can anyone help me out and point out the other FKK clubs in the city of frankfurt? There names and if they have websites?
Thanks in Advance.
Billy[/QUOTE]
fkk-palace.de in FFM
fkk-mainhattan.de in FFM
fkk-oase.de appr. 20min from FFM
fkk-world.de appr. 35min from FFM
HB
Could anybody reveal the services of the thailadies in Palace?
Specially have interest in Pum and Dee Dee. Visited Palace a couple of times but didnt have the change to meet with them
[QUOTE=Ortos]Indeed many of us who have been in the "game" for a while know that Palace holds some of the best erotic experiences in FFKdom. We also know that any club at any time can produce the goods. You just have to know how to play the field you face, the club and FKK situation you are in. Just the way a skier knows that a steep slope with moguls can be treacherous, but if you learn how to ski it and employ the best tactics you can have the ride of your life.[/QUOTE]Well said Ortos,
Skiing is one of my great passions, it is sometimes better than sex - I enjoy the great nature and the fresh air in the mountains and the thrill I get when attaching the slopes. Damn, you can't combine a FKK and ski trip in FFM as you can in Austria.
Palace will always be in my heart and memories as it was there I popped my FKK cherry sometimes ago. The girl that popped my FKK cherry was a blond Romanian girl, she was a totally optifick to begin with, then I extended to 1 hour and in the end she gave in, was loosing up and became more vivid and enjoyed it.
You just have to play your cards right - be firm and nice. Sometimes a bad start ends good.
Nille
To me it is just silly saying some girls are sharks and some not. To me it is just a futile attempt to simplify life and try to classify what cannot be classified.
a) I know of one girl who goes by the normal rate. But she is observant. When she'll see a rookie with a hard-on looking at her with with wide open eyes and drooling, she'll soemtimes take her chance, move in & verify that he is stuttering. Then make a very agressive offer. She can make €500-€1000 in a short time. It doesn't happen every day, but she is not stupid enough not to make use of that opportunity.
b) Some guys - believe it or not - WANT a vulgar time. They show up with loads of cash. They can flip €2000 (yes: €2000, or 4 €500 notes) to *each* of a couple of girls even *before* the session starts. For them, there is enjoyment in seeing these top girls popping eyeballs. They may order one or two bottles of champagne to drink & pour over their pussies inside the room. If you expect the girls to say "no its not €1000, its €50", then my friend - think again. Trust me, there is sometimes crazy money inside. A session like this will temporarily change a girls attitude. She just took a shower, cleaning herself from champagne & cum. She just put €1000-€2000 in her safe plus the perfume & maybe gold necklace given to her as an extra gift. And then you show up with a dirty €50 note demanding 32 minutes of DFK, BBJ, DATY and COB. Do not be surprised if she'll think or say: Gimme a break.
c) Some if not most girls are actually picky. They will not go with anyone and they may have any number of reasons. Yes, many girls check you out. Once they've decided that you are in one of their "acceptable categories", they will move in & all is fine. But if you are *not* & move in, then you can expect an offer crafted in order for you to back off.
To summarize "sharks" is a matter of the market condition at a certain time, not about certain girls always trying to rip off customers. Some girls are in pretty desperate need for money & will take their chances in honor of their "bigger cause".
If you are comfortable at Palace and know how to move around, you will seldom have any problems, good sessions & probably eventually tip rather or very generously. If you are a rookie, then you just have to expect paying some "school fees" every now and then.
[QUOTE=Suller Joe]
[b]To summarize "sharks" is a matter of the market condition at a certain time.[/b]
If you are a rookie, then you just have to expect paying some "school fees" every now and then.[/QUOTE]
Good point SJ!
Basically you say that given the location of Palace and the time to meet girls there, Palace is the most likely place to meet "Sharks" although there exists no formal Shark definition!
Furthermore I agree with the observations of HB and O. Palace is a great place to be, but yes indeed with a slightly higher chance to meet sharks.
Now off-topic! Why is this forum the only one I know where I read so many times the words: Newbie, Rookie, Senior Member???
Visiting Clubs is IMHO not a scientific activity as some members seem to consider it :)!
Viel Spass noch meine Herren,
Big30
Gents,
I'll be popping into Palace end of this month - can anyone confirm if both girls are still working?
Description:
Melissa: German; tall; Blonde and Jessica Simpson lookalike (IMHO)
Lina (Lena) German, tall, blonde, tatts aroudn her legs and body (makes you come just by looking at her)
Marella: Romanian (sometimes says she from France as she speaks the language - med height; blonde short hair (or long with a wig)
I managed to click with all 3 and wondering if they are still around Palace.
Thanks
To me a shark is:
1. A girl who promise you nice things to get you in her pants, (funny in the daily life the guy promises nice things to get into her pants), But we are in the gentleman world here
She promises you DFK, heavenly BJ, GFE, PSE, et cetera. Then in the room she is cold, she would not let you touch her or only do BJ for a few sec. And rush you to come. Or complains about stuff that kills the mood.
If she promise you more than she could deliver, then she is a shark.
2. She tries to cheat you with the time, saying time is up after 15 mins.
Or say you went 5 mins overtime, and she charges you extra 30mins.
She is a big shark. And you should report her to the front desk, you need some profs, like a watch or a friend that that know how long you were in the room. If she has cheated you she would normally back out if you threaten her with taken the problem to the front desk.
3. In the room she try to up-sells or plus-sales as I call it.
It's OK to inform you of her options, but if she doesn't take a "no thanks" for an answer and changes her attitude. To negative, then she is a shark.
Other things like being pushing or touching your dick, blocking your way.
I would not categorize this as shark. Yes she might have sharky behaviors, so be careful, but she hasn't cheat you yet.
Just a side story, not from Palace:
Once I had a threesome with 2 German girls, while I fucked 1 girls the other put her finger(w. Condom) up my ass, and I let her do it.
After the session I paid her the normal rate, she charge me extra for that service. I totally forgot it was an extra service and she reminded me of the extra service. I accept and paid her. So sometime in the heat of the battle you loose your brain.
She was not sharky, just cleaver enough to make extra € of the situation.
Nille
[QUOTE=Big30]Now off-topic! Why is this forum the only one I know where I read so many times the words: Newbie, Rookie, Senior Member???
Visiting Clubs is IMHO not a scientific activity as some members seem to consider it :)[/QUOTE]
Whatever your hobbies are, there is a beginning when you need to gain some experience & I have heard some really funny stories about rookies from WGs.
And of course: I've been one myself. I had several bad experiences in the beginning.
My first experience of German nightlife was daytime @ Herbertstrasse in Hamburg. OMG. I expected to get FS & suck the boobies of that really hot MILF. She did not even let me touch her tits & even seeing her without briefs was far off limits. Believe it or not. She was sitting on top of me wearing briefs and a bra while wanking my dick. I had to wear a condom. Probably paid €150 for it. Makes me laugh.
I was a rookie. Dunno about know, but I later learned that many Herbertstrasse sessions are like that. They basically help you jerk off - with a condom.
[QUOTE=Suller Joe]I was a rookie. Dunno about know, but I later learned that many Herbertstrasse sessions are like that. They basically help you jerk off - with a condom.[/QUOTE]Hehe SJ, you have learned your lesson.
Reeperbahn and Herbertstrasse in Hamburg are turist traps, I go there for looking and have fun with friends, for fucking I go to FKK Atmos or FKK Babylon.
Nille
[QUOTE=Big30]
Now off-topic! Why is this forum the only one I know where I read so many times the words: Newbie, Rookie, Senior Member???
Visiting Clubs is IMHO not a scientific activity as some members seem to consider it :)!
Viel Spass noch meine Herren,
Big30[/QUOTE]An off topic but interesting point [b]Big30[/b].
IMO this forum is very different to the Dutch and German Forums, with which I am sure you are familiar, and which are specifically devoted to FKK and Sauna Clubs. The Germany FKK Section is just a subsection of the European Forum on ISG. Most of the Dutch and German forums are sub-divided into the popular clubs in Germany (and perhaps the Netherlands). Often the most popular hookers in each club are then listed (within each club) and reports made by members are made under the names of the girls listed. The clubs listed are current and up to date. Reports are made by many members who visit the clubs regularly. Lets face it the members of the Dutch and German forums only live a few hours down the road from the clubs and it is easy for these guys to visit these FKK and Sauna Clubs frequently. In contrast I am not sure that all the clubs listen in the Germany FKK section of ISG are all still in existance! Also the members who frequent ISG are mostly English speaking and more often than not are resident in the UK, North America or other far flung places associated with the English speaking world. These guys cannot get into an auto and drive to a club in a few hours. Consequently with some notable exceptions, a visit to an FKK or Sauna club can be something that happens only a few times a year or maybe something which occurs even less frequently. The only way that they can get to Germany is by flying (Trans-Atlantic if from North America). It is a much bigger deal for most ISG members. Of course these are generalisations and I am sure that there are members of German and Dutch Forums who visit the clubs only once a year and members of ISG who visit every week, but these IMO are exceptions. Generally speaking, if you are an ISG member, news from the clubs becomes a precious thing because, if you live in New Jersey (USA) the next time you get to FKK World to visit with you fav hooker might not be until Spring 2011. What I am saying is that because most ISG members who frequent the Germany FKK Section do not frequent the clubs really all that often there is a mystique, a big deal built up around travelling to Germany and visiting an FKK club. It is not something that can be done on the spur of the moment and consequently a much bigger deal. This forum is full of lurkers, guys who have never been to Germany let alone an FKK, newbies, rookies and also senior members or guys who have 800 posts and who have visited an FKK at least twice! :D
[QUOTE=Captain Dan]An off topic but interesting point [b]Big30[/b].
IMO this forum is very different to the Dutch and German Forums, with which I am sure you are familiar, and which are specifically devoted to FKK and Sauna Clubs.
This forum is full of lurkers, guys who have never been to Germany let alone an FKK, newbies, rookies and also senior members or guys who have 800 posts and who have visited an FKK at least twice! :D[/QUOTE]
Hello [b]CD[/b].
Actually I do agree with your analysis. Yes, this forum is different when compared with the German and Dutch boards. I have to admit I only read here the Germany - FKK Clubs section.
My only point was and still is that I do not like the words: newbies, rookies and senior members.
I do not live in New Jersey or Ann Arbor or Seattle or Pittsburgh or Pendleton (mention these places because i have been there).
I live less than 45 miles from GT, VV and PHG. But I get your point. If I would live in Wallowa (OR), I guess visiting Sauna/FKK-clubs also would be a mystique experience for me. For me it is not. Not when I visit the clubs in NRW. For the Big3 in Hessen yes that gives me a special vibe!
Having said that, I still do not like the words: newbies, rookies and senior members :)!
Regards,
Big30
[QUOTE=Xxx Rated]Specially have interest in Pum and Dee Dee. Visited Palace a couple of times but didnt have the change to meet with them[/QUOTE]
Pum and Didi look like twins, just that Didi had a boob job and is a little less GF6, but both are good service providers. Fuck em - you won't regret.
HB