Kyiv

[QUOTE=Brotherrabitt]......ISG at its' best, one thing the spiked drink did not erase from my memory is why I stopped posting here some three years ago, those reasons all came back.

In any case, it's not satire, I am not making light of other people's problems Gergiev, it happened and if the clever guys reading this detect some sort of patern, so much the better. My "ring leader" Victoria even gave me the name of these type of girls, they feminise the trade name of the drug, something like vitalonascka's or whatever, I do not speak russian, but you catch my drift. Apparently not so uncommon as some might think, and during dinner with my business friends yesterday evening, they confirmed the RP rep. But of course, it's a free world, believe what you want, make comments as much as you want, doubt my personal credibility as much as you want, all that is not my problem and please be my guest.

Went to Avalon yesterday evening, left my drink on the bar, went dancing and lo and behold, nothing happened, I still remember everything (or maybe I invented that as well, who knows), good talent also, called Victoria who sent me one of her friends, did not like her very much, so gave her 500 grivna taxi money and went to bed.

And yes, the women here are very very beautiful, a feast to the eyes, falling in love is easy, or do I mean falling in lust, ok, maybe you are right, and it is lust and not love, but allow a guy his dreams ok ?

I will be back here in 4-5 weeks, will spend another week here, I am sure I will enjoy my trip than as much I did enjoy this one, and who knows, maybe I will post some more of my experiences here, or maybe I will wait another three years.

Bye for now

ps; google "drugs used to spike drinks", you can read the effects these drugs can have, you can be completely lucid whilst spiked, give them all the information they want and still not remember a thing the next day. Also my friend Victoria gave me names of better places to go to and find nice (semi) pro's, so it is not about bad-mouthing the competition at all, that would be a little silly in a town like Kiev with its' large number of women involved in this business. She operates a "stable" for one of the german multinationals here, she is a very good personal friend of one of my friends here, and she wants me and the other business partners of my friend to be safe, so let's not try to kill the message through doubting the credibility of the messenger. I might write about my experience lightly, but I am seriously worried about what happened, I have been travelling for 25 years in emerging markets/third world countries, been put in jail for "visa" problems, been shot at, etc. I have my share of experiences and "war" stories most of us have when involved in lots of travel. This was a new experience and basically the first time somebody put something in my body without asking first :). And yes I am worried when I hear from others that it happens more often there, and I really do not care if the management thinks it is good for business, I have made some very bad decisions myself in my business, and open any newspaper etc etc. Why didn't they take my euro's ? I do not know, but why would I try to understand the logic of some one who spikes the drink of another person, run the risk that he keels over from a heart attack, or sails into a permanent coma for a couple of thousand grivna, euro's or dollars ? I am writing/sharing what happened to me and what I hear about this place. The world is not black and white, others I know have had a great time at RP, but that is not the point. This shit is not supposed to happen in an upscale foreigner oriented "pro" bar, point, full stop, no argument, not.[/QUOTE]I am in no doubt your comments re RP were accurate because as someone who has been going to the River Palace on a regular basis since late 2000

I know that this can happen occasionally. However I also got to know some of the ex-pat managers there and they had absolute zero tolerance to something like this. The girl would always be identified by going through the video footage and was then subsequently barred. The foreign managers at RP also had a very strong policy of zero tolerance against pimps either male or female. One thing that was mentioned was that there are some guys who when they get a snub from one of the girls will then complain next day that the girl robbed them.

But things have changed now at RP, since the closure of the Casino most of the ex-pats have left, in particular the ones who controlled the Nightclub. It is possible that the place will go downhill now, but on the other hand maybe not. The golden rule wherever you are drinking and in whatever country is never let any one get near your drink, I apply this rule just as much in London which is my home city as I would in Bangkok.

T, I agree with you. Once a drink has left my sight that's the end of the drink for me, whether I'm in NYC, Paris or Kyiv.

Meash, I wouldn't even bother with RP. Once you learn Russian you'll be finding pro's on flirt.com.ua for $60-$80 a session.

Where is the "crisis"? Prices are always high: does "session" mean "a fuck"?

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]T, I agree with you. Once a drink has left my sight that's the end of the drink for me, whether I'm in NYC, Paris or Kyiv.

Meash, I wouldn't even bother with RP. Once you learn Russian you'll be finding pro's on flirt.com.ua for $60-$80 a session.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]T, I agree with you. Once a drink has left my sight that's the end of the drink for me, whether I'm in NYC, Paris or Kyiv.

Meash, I wouldn't even bother with RP. Once you learn Russian you'll be finding pro's on flirt.com.ua for $60-$80 a session.[/QUOTE]The only time my drink was spiked, was in one of the safeset cities in the world, in the shinjuku area of TOKYO, and I have been mongering my way round the world for years.

THE drink got spiked by the african manager bouncer of the hostess club there.

SO there you have it, it can happen anywhere in the world.

MY Russian is limited to 3 words, and I got a good list out of FLIRT.com.

A better option is top models and escorts models, where you have the prices. And telephone nos and language option.

Not really, just a compensation for the fact that she had to miss out a truly unbelievable session with a fine male specimen like I :).

[QUOTE=Diceman]that girl you gave 500 grivna to for a taxi, where was she going Yalta?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tremayne]One thing that was mentioned was that there are some guys who when they get a snub from one of the girls will then complain next day that the girl robbed them.[/QUOTE]

Sure, I did not even want to get into this discussion with them, certainly this will happen as well, and the girls involved make sure they do not overdo it, exactly the arguments mentioned here: "why not the euro's, or the cc's or your passport", they might be low life cretins, but not completely stupid.

[QUOTE=Brotherrabitt]Sure, I did not even want to get into this discussion with them, certainly this will happen as well, and the girls involved make sure they do not overdo it, exactly the arguments mentioned here: "why not the euro's, or the cc's or your passport", they might be low life cretins, but not completely stupid.[/QUOTE]

Yes, they always have an answer for such allegations, although to be fair sometimes the customers do make false allegations. I stood at the bar in RP and witnessed a guy say to a girl who had just turned his proposition down '**** you ***** I'll get you barred, the owner is a personal friend of mine'

Her way of dealing with this was a classic, she immediately went all round the club speaking to every girl and pointing with her outstretched arm at the guy. I don't think he got any action that night.

Geez, why is everyone the personal friend of the owner of the club? ;)

Rabbit, your stories are a bit hard to believe. 500uah for a taxi ride for a girl you didn't want? 50uah will get her anywhere the metro goes. If you are stupid enough to call up an agency and say 'send me a girl' and a troll shows up I guess you are obliged to give her some money for the taxi (remember most agencies have their own drivers). But if you say you want an 18 year old princess and a troll shows up it's well within convention to say 'bye' and shut the door.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Rabbit, your stories are a bit hard to believe. [/QUOTE]

.....but it is not really important what you believe Cruiser, or, should I say, not important at all.

.....personality issues involved here in this forum, ah well, nothing new on ISG. Just flame on brother, have fun.



[QUOTE=Diceman]Its a total story rabbit, anyway, tell us about when you got shot at, im really intrigued, or about when you were in a jail in some hell hole. cruisers right you could have went anywhere the metro goes for 50. i really cant think why you have come up with that stort about all this?[/QUOTE]

They mention five strip clubs in the Kiev-guide from the tourist agency (Millenium, Heaven, Paradise, Red Lion, Joss), and also plenty of massage institutes. I wonder if it is possible to have PP-action on these places, or if they only offer lap dances or an happy end? I want action, not a teaser. What's your experience here? Or shall I stick to River Palace, apartments, and escort websites?

Rabbit, it's just that your stories make no sense. But what in this crazy world does. ;)

When I was in Kyiv in May I, the Frugal Fuhrer gave a girl 400uah for a taxi ride back to some town outside of Kyiv. But I had been talking to the girl for a couple of years. Stuff happens.

[QUOTE=Meashearim]They mention five strip clubs in the Kiev-guide from the tourist agency (Millenium, Heaven, Paradise, Red Lion, Joss), and also plenty of massage institutes. I wonder if it is possible to have PP-action on these places, or if they only offer lap dances or an happy end? I want action, not a teaser. What's your experience here? Or shall I stick to River Palace, apartments, and escort websites?[/QUOTE]Hi Meash.

I wouldn't bother with millenium, but try Rio, fab girls, and a nice club according to kiev veterans take out is available for $300.

I tried TIXI omut see my report, it is on the east side, it does have a sauna on site, and according to one poster some action is available for 500 uah upstairs. I didn't have time to investigate further, and I would recommend a lovely blond girl, there by the name of Vlada she speaks excellent english.

Entrance is 70 uah and drinks reasonable and it is next to XATA RABATA a fish restaurant, bang on the river.

....let me try to explain. Victoria who organised this girl, is a good friend of a friend and somebody we will need again in the future to organise girls for us and our clients, I have for example organised a "3 day all inclusive" trip for 5 of my european clients for next week, Victoria will make sure there are plenty of nice girls available for them. She did not send me a troll, by any standard the girl was quite pretty, firm hard body and wearing a dress tjhat revealed all her very nice curves, however we just didn't hit it off, happens sometimes, and is no problem, not her fault. So, gave her some money, kiss on the cheek, I am too tired after all, see you next time, ciao baby. No scandal, no bad vibes, no problems for the girl, no suggestion of misbehaviour to Victoria. Elegant.

In more general terms Cruiser, and take this as a friendly suggestion, from my first post, you flame, you doubt, my credibility, whatever, as far as I am concerned the "absolute logic"-syndrome, or believing your logic is always true and universal, and if a person does something not applying your logic, you flame, doubt, whatever. To make a very metrosexual remark, that is not very nice :). I am a sensitive person you know, you have hurt my feelings ;).

Now, be nice to the new kid Cruiser, or I WILL give you Victoria''s number and ask her to send you a 125 kg, coalmining, russian tractor resembling whench from the East, with a voice like a chainsaw, who will ride you with her black pit until your dick and balls shrivvel to the size of peanuts, unless you are in this type of thing, then I will figure out something else :).

Just pulling your chain man, keep it light.

Ciao

BR



[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Rabbit, it's just that your stories make no sense. But what in this crazy world does. ;)

When I was in Kyiv in May I, the Frugal Fuhrer gave a girl 400uah for a taxi ride back to some town outside of Kyiv. But I had been talking to the girl for a couple of years. Stuff happens.[/QUOTE]

Been a bit slack getting this report wrote, seeing as I was in Kyiv nearly a month ago.

I and two friends were keen to escape the summer heat in Dubai and with Ramadan nearly over, and as I'd been crowing over the talent and general merriment to be had in Kyiv, that's where we headed.

I had to admit, I was slightly worried that I'd oversold the city. I'd mentioned the beautiful women, the wonderful beer, the tasty food and the fact that all of the above could be obtained for significantly less than what we pay in the UAE. However, our beers hadn't even arrived as we sat on Kreshatyk and both my friends were nursing borderline whiplash from the constant stream of pretty girls wondering by.

We stayed in an apartment just off Maidan, absolutely ideal.

So, to the action.

Ready for a night on the town we wandered over to Buddha Bar, but as it wasn't even 8pm it was understandably quiet. Talking to one of the waitresses, she mentioned Shooters as the place to go, but having been there before it doesn't usually get going until midnight, so we headed over to O'Brians and I gave my friends a brief introduction to speaking Russian (please, thanks, how much? etc).

On to Shooters and it was great to be heading back up the steps and through the door. I think it was about 60 grivnas, but included a drink (anything with redbull), and it was probably half full when we arrived. At this point, we had already decided that we'd hit the strip club tonight instead of Saturday (in the hope it'd be less busy patron-wise).

Towards 2pm (with me in full conversation with what I suspected was a semi-pro) the boys decided it was time for girls to undress and away we went (I got her number). I've only ever been to Rio and never had a bad time there, so that's where we ended up. If you've never been, make sure when you go that you get taken through to the back, otherwise you'll be in the 'foyer bar' which also has a stage but is lacking any decent action. One hour and several intimate lapdances later we're ready for a club, but then one of group decides it's time to just get laid, so off we go to RP.

I'm ambivalent about RP to say the least. Meet a girl in most other bars and chances are, if you can speak russian or they can speak english, you'll have an interesting conversation. Sprinkle on a little charm and who knows what might happen, but in RP they seem a lot colder. Anyway, we're there to fuck 'em not make friends I guess.

We only stay for 30 minutes because my two friends have already hooked up (both secured blonde girls for $200 but it was gone 3am by this point). I didn't see anything i liked and instead decided to call the girl i'd spoke to in Shooters. Her phone was off. And I had to get a cab back on my own because there was no room for me in the other cab.

At this point I'm trying to be philosophical about the evening and failing, but then I get a call from Nadya, she got my missed call. She agreed to come meet me in maidan (I told her my apartment was close), but we didn't talk about money, so i was still unsure if she was p2p. We got back to the apartment and the other two bedroom doors were locked with no noise to be heard thankfully, and so we relaxed on the couch with some johnny walker and some mtv.

Maybe half an hour later we're on my bed kissing and she's already half undressed when she seems to remember to ask about money. I ask how much, she says $200 for two hours, I say $150 and to stay till morning, she takes her bra off and $200 it is! She agreed to stay longer though.

Maybe I was a bit drunk (or a lot drunk) but the whole thing seemed quite intimate, very GFE and she was certainly built for fun. Any thoughts of morning fun were quickly dispelled when she woke me at 8am and asked for her money (maybe the first time for me a girl hasn't asked for it up front). I had a raging hangover and was happy for her to leave. I said I'd call (and did) but we didnt hook up for the rest of the trip, definitely next time though.

I got the impression she's not been a sem-pro for long, she said she was 23 but looked a few years older (27 maybe), but a very sweet girl. As for the boys, one of them was extremely disappointed at how the 'hottie' he'd picked up, suddenly turned into a 'nottie' when she undressed, funny how that happens sometimes. We laughed about it later.

To be continued...

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