Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Downandup;2752401]Much of ths is post covid turmoil and it's still going to be another year before the situation stabilises. I don't expect the bars to have a good high season as there won't be a great wave of visitors returning yet, many have to make their plans a year ahead and therefore covid weighed heavily as a risk so they might have abandoned their trip.

Then there are the girls who were looking for alternate work online during covid, I think that sites like Onlyfans have peaked in popularity this year and are now facing decline as people are able to travel. So as there's less money online then more will return to the bars. But not soon enough.

China is still under lockdown so you won't see their tourists and Indians are coming in to replace them. They won't feed the same amount of money into the city.

And finally, don't forget the global recession due to covid and the russian invasion of Ukraine, people are going to spend less and holidays are often the first luxury to go or else cut back on. But eventually the recession will drive more girls back to the bars as companies cut back and there's less work..[/QUOTE]The global recession has nothing to do with Russia-Ukraine. It has everything to do with governments and central banks printing money for years and increasing the debt whilst kicking the can down the road. The global recession is just commencing and it will be felt in Thailand as it will everywhere else. Tourist numbers will drop as farang won't have the money to travel. Less tourists means the price of pussy decreases. Just wait another year and these same girls pushing for 2 k ST will be lucky to get 1 k ST.

Certainly too many bars in Pattaya, contraction has to happen.

I'm in Samui now and yes the quality and quantity is low, but the girls that are here are so desperate I am getting whatever I want. There is an extreme lack of tourists here and the majority of Samui tourists aren't mongers anyways. I'm surprised these girls are here instead of Phuket. Yesterday I had a girl over for 3 hours for for 1 k ST and she was more attractive than any girl I bedded in two months I was in Pattaya. Today sampling a cute one I got down to 700 baht ST, we'll see how it goes.

Huge Beer Bar complex opened without much Fanfare at end of Walking Street.

Light system alone cost 20,000,000 baht.

Mind Boggling.

[QUOTE=Shukracharya;2752613]Of course those Indian mongers won't stay at park Hyatt bro when cheaper options are available all over. I have decent amount of money on me but still I won't pay huge bucks at park Hyatt.

And the serf race don't control anything. Marx's diagnosis of the problem is spot on in das capital but his solutions are BS. Even in communist countries the workers don't control anything. It's always the elites running the show who control everything be it communism or capitalism. So the future serf race won't be controlling nothing but fighting over low paid jobs to feed themselves and maybe get enough money to monger around.[/QUOTE]Well, I don't pay the big bucks either when I stay there or anywhere else decent. I accumulate 1 M+ hotel points, 700 K+airline miles, and 500 K credit card points per year off of client travel. Plus having lifetime top tier status gets me some pretty nice upgrades. The real issue is that the proletariat / plebs (who lets face it, many of which aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer) are very easily manipulated to turn against their own self-interest through nationalism, racism, religion, and a myriad of other "ism's."

While some of the Indian mongers might be pretty flush with cash, watching them try to negotiate down a beach road freelancer from the normal 1000 be is embarrassing and strikes me as loser cheap.

Last night did some rounds with another Pattaya vet. Pin Up, Sky Fall (where we both had been banned years ago), Fahrenheit, Sensations, Palace, and Sapphire. Simply put. Walking Street GoGo bars are still only 30% of what they were in 2019. Prices a bit higher, quality of girls much much lower. Newbies and those who don't frequent often, won't know any better. Those who are seasoned or come every year, will. Perhaps this is how it ends, unless there is an alien invasion. Especially, with all that's going on in the world with Russia, Ukraine, NATO, China, Taiwan, USA, North and South Korea, Japan etc. We already had Plague, War, Famine, in such a short time, and now just waiting on the final Horseman riding on the pale horse. Toast to new beginnings?

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2752294]Chaturbate usually pops when when I watch Ayu Sakurai vids. Upon picking Thai Girls category all I see is Butt Ugly Thai Girls with Very tiny amount of viewers.

Then you see attractive Chinese Girls. Lots of viewers which must mean lots of money.

The good old Looks Matter when selling Sex.

Many of you see Girls making money hand over first. I just don't see it. I need more convincing.[/QUOTE]Have a look at gandamitch on chaturbate.

She is normally one very day, solo, or a twosome or 3 some, and is making $500-1000 per day based on token counts (each token earns her 5 c).

She also has instagram (MorenaMitch), and OFs to make money.

And yes, she and her friends are at most 6-7/10's, but she is making the money.

Hello guys,

I am an Indian travelling solo to Pattaya / Bangkok for a week. I have read through the forum and there is no clear price that's generally accepted. Thus is my first trip here so a bit confused. I am looking for the best looking spinners and my understanding is that I can score them in gogo's albeit at a bit higher price which I am not worried about. If some seniors can shed some light on accepted practices after covid would be helpful. My travel dates are 20th to 27th split between bkk / Pattaya. If anyone else is travelling in the same dates and want to connect drop me a pm.

[QUOTE=Kirahell2;2752814]Hello guys,

I am an Indian travelling solo to Pattaya / Bangkok for a week. I have read through the forum and there is no clear price that's generally accepted. Thus is my first trip here so a bit confused. I am looking for the best looking spinners and my understanding is that I can score them in gogo's albeit at a bit higher price which I am not worried about. If some seniors can shed some light on accepted practices after covid would be helpful. My travel dates are 20th to 27th split between bkk / Pattaya. If anyone else is travelling in the same dates and want to connect drop me a pm.[/QUOTE]Not a Senior but off of my latest experience a month ago.

Standard / observed prices in Pattaya:

Beach Road / Freelancers - 1000 Baht. Not the greatest quality but solid. Take back to your Hotel / Condo or pay for ST hotel 300 Bajt.

Soi 6 Bars. Much better quality and a huge quantity. 1000 Baht + 400 Baht barfine (which includes room upstairs) If you buy a drink and a lady drink to start add 200-300. If a girl quotes you a higher price above standard that you are not willing to pay. Just move on to the next. It is a target rich environment.

GoGo. Big variations. Anywhere from 2000-4000 for ST and LT is 2000+ more, all depending on quality of the girl (or what she thinks her quality is. Doesn't always line up), Barfines 1500 before 11-12, half after 12.

IMO Soi Six is your best value to hotness, and you can party a little if need be.

Observed Prices in BKK -.

BJ bars - 800 Baht.

Oily Massage - 2000-2700 Baht depending on place / length of session.

Freelancers - 1000-1500 Baht + ST hotel or your abode.

Gogo ST 2500-5000 Baht, LT is harder to come by. BF - 1000-1500 depending on time and place.

Word of advice. Don't try to negotiate down from standard prices with Soi 6 and Freelancers, sours any vibe and 95% of the time they will refuse. Oilys + BJ bars are non-negotiable. GoGo girls might give an outrageous price, be willing to walk away if you think it's too much. If they are really interested / want the business, they probably will come down some. When I have just accepted the reasonable / standard price, the night / session goes much better.

[QUOTE=Ehs183;2752844]Not a Senior but off of my latest experience a month ago.

Standard / observed prices in Pattaya:

Beach Road / Freelancers - 1000 Baht. Not the greatest quality but solid. Take back to your Hotel / Condo or pay for ST hotel 300 Bajt.

Soi 6 Bars. Much better quality and a huge quantity. 1000 Baht + 400 Baht barfine (which includes room upstairs) If you buy a drink and a lady drink to start add 200-300. If a girl quotes you a higher price above standard that you are not willing to pay. Just move on to the next. It is a target rich environment.

GoGo. Big variations. Anywhere from 2000-4000 for ST and LT is 2000+ more, all depending on quality of the girl (or what she thinks her quality is. Doesn't always line up), Barfines 1500 before 11-12, half after 12.

IMO Soi Six is your best value to hotness, and you can party a little if need be.

Observed Prices in BKK -.

BJ bars - 800 Baht.

Oily Massage - 2000-2700 Baht depending on place / length of session.

Freelancers - 1000-1500 Baht + ST hotel or your abode.

Gogo ST 2500-5000 Baht, LT is harder to come by. BF - 1000-1500 depending on time and place.

Word of advice. Don't try to negotiate down from standard prices with Soi 6 and Freelancers, sours any vibe and 95% of the time they will refuse. Oilys + BJ bars are non-negotiable. GoGo girls might give an outrageous price, be willing to walk away if you think it's too much. If they are really interested / want the business, they probably will come down some. When I have just accepted the reasonable / standard price, the night / session goes much better.[/QUOTE]Hold your Arabian Horses.

Rainbow 4 Nana Plaza Superstar still at 3,000 baht. I inquired not more than a month ago.

Schlubs at Rainbow 4 still at, I really don't know. They don't get customers.

I'm not saying Schlubs are good or bad,. Looks Matters.

Bro that's very cool. You are basically having.

A blast with all those accumulated points. I never even bother to check what points I have. Call it my ignorance or laziness but I usually avoid the credit card salesmans like the plague. Maybe I should look up and read about all that too.

As for Indians over negotiating, being cheap or 5-6 of them wanting to smash just one girl and play out their gang rape fantasies, well yeah that's true. I won't deny that. That's a characteristic of say 90-99% of all indians.

And bro uniting on race, nationalism, religion is what keeps human being sane. Otherwise humans dwell into insanity. Sure all the above identities have led to numerous wars but it also refined and shaped culture, civilisation which produced amazing philosophies, art, paintings, literary works. Problem is humans after the 60-70's feminism and hippie movement think war is some sort of evil and that everyone has to live no matter what.

They not want to control behaviour of humans but also wish to control nature. E. g. They have releasedgenetically modified mosquitoes to eliminate malaria dengu etc. Post hippie feminism era humans want to play god / nature themselves. I say nature gives and nature takes. We as humans can only strive to live our best trying to conquer nature is a futile attempt. All these diseases have forced people for centuries to live in a eco friendly way but now certain elites wish to play god and only god knows what chain reaction would this lead to maybe newer diseases or overpopulation eventually leading to war LOL. War is inevitable in the end. We as human will always fight for the finite resources. Question only is do we want to go to war based on race, religion, nationalism or do we fight simply around economic interests or vague ideas of humanity? I think the people fighting on the identity of race, religion nationalism will always win over those fighting for economic interests or vague ideas of humanity, pacifism. Just take a look at the islamic world, all those guys are migrating all over the world and they don't give up on their faith. Europe America and rest of the western world will learn the hard way the lessons about maintaing ideas of race, nationality and religion just like we in India learnt it the hard way over 700 -1000 years of brutality. We still managed to retain atleast our religious identity in the face of continuous attacks and now have a national identity too. Race / ethnic identity were lost and is being completely destroyed with the advancement of GDP, growth, Modern economic theory in India. However it's almost impossible to get rid of religious and national identity here. People will just not put up with all the atheist, hippie, Marxist ideology here. So that's a good characteristic of Indians.

[QUOTE=Ehs183;2752719]Well, I don't pay the big bucks either when I stay there or anywhere else decent. I accumulate 1 M+ hotel points, 700 K+airline miles, and 500 K credit card points per year off of client travel. Plus having lifetime top tier status gets me some pretty nice upgrades. The real issue is that the proletariat / plebs (who lets face it, many of which aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer) are very easily manipulated to turn against their own self-interest through nationalism, racism, religion, and a myriad of other "ism's."

While some of the Indian mongers might be pretty flush with cash, watching them try to negotiate down a beach road freelancer from the normal 1000 be is embarrassing and strikes me as loser cheap.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jacobz;2751771]... On a similar note as above, massage parlors too where a couple can go and get a proper massage. My guess is, it should be a proper professional massage parlor without the "extra services" otherwise the ones with the extra services would have guys ogling and drooling over any lady customer. Any particular Area or SOI for such parlors??[/QUOTE]On my first trip to Thailand I remember going with a pretty, young girl at a soapy massage parlour called Cristins in Phuket. She was a sweetheart so I went with her several times when the massage parlour closed. On one occasion she told me that a western couple had been with her earlier in the day and she was the meat in the sandwich!

So my recommendation for Pattaya is to try one of the soapies, I. E Sabai Dee, Honey, Honey 2. When you're sitting in front of the fishbowl there's usually a mamasan or papasan lingering so tell them what you're looking for and they'll be able to tell you which girls will go with a couple, or even engage in a threesome. If you've never done a soapy, it's a great experience and I'm sure even more fun with an extra person.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2752720]Last night did some rounds with another Pattaya vet. Pin Up, Sky Fall (where we both had been banned years ago)[/QUOTE]ElMexicant, I am curious about both of you being banned whether banned separately or at the same time. What did you do to get banned? I've never seen anybody get banned before. Whatever the cause I hope you had a good time.

I'll be in Pattaya in November and would like to mix things up a bit from the usual golden triangle of Tree Town, LK Metro and soi 6. I've heard about a place called 'the Dark Side' which sounds interesting but can find little info on the forum. Has anyone been?

On another forum there is more information on the Dark Side.

It's just the part of Pattaya that doesn't have as many lights as the central area.

There are two places on that side I want to try.

Thanks a lot for summarizing this very practical information. Its rare to find such informative post now a days.

How is the quantity of freelancers on beach road in Pattaya and on sukumvit road in Bangkok? 50% of pre covid days or just 20%?

[QUOTE=Ehs183;2752844]Not a Senior but off of my latest experience a month ago.

Standard / observed prices in Pattaya:

Beach Road / Freelancers - 1000 Baht. Not the greatest quality but solid. Take back to your Hotel / Condo or pay for ST hotel 300 Bajt.

Soi 6 Bars. Much better quality and a huge quantity. 1000 Baht + 400 Baht barfine (which includes room upstairs) If you buy a drink and a lady drink to start add 200-300. If a girl quotes you a higher price above standard that you are not willing to pay. Just move on to the next. It is a target rich environment.

GoGo. Big variations. Anywhere from 2000-4000 for ST and LT is 2000+ more, all depending on quality of the girl (or what she thinks her quality is. Doesn't always line up), Barfines 1500 before 11-12, half after 12.

IMO Soi Six is your best value to hotness, and you can party a little if need be.

Observed Prices in BKK -.

BJ bars - 800 Baht.

Oily Massage - 2000-2700 Baht depending on place / length of session.

Freelancers - 1000-1500 Baht + ST hotel or your abode.

Gogo ST 2500-5000 Baht, LT is harder to come by. BF - 1000-1500 depending on time and place.

Word of advice. Don't try to negotiate down from standard prices with Soi 6 and Freelancers, sours any vibe and 95% of the time they will refuse. Oilys + BJ bars are non-negotiable. GoGo girls might give an outrageous price, be willing to walk away if you think it's too much. If they are really interested / want the business, they probably will come down some. When I have just accepted the reasonable / standard price, the night / session goes much better.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2752891]I'll be in Pattaya in November and would like to mix things up a bit from the usual golden triangle of Tree Town, LK Metro and soi 6. I've heard about a place called 'the Dark Side' which sounds interesting but can find little info on the forum. Has anyone been?[/QUOTE]The "Darkside" is merely the area east of Sukhumvit Road. It's more thinly populated, but there are a lot of foreigners living there due to lower prices. Plenty of smaller bars spread out there, typically with 5 to 10 ladies, with the same regular customers. The typical customer has retired, has a Thai wife, but she is older and doesn't want to fuck much, if at all, and is not too interested in her husband. So the guy goes to the local bar to play with a bargirl and maybe get a BJ or go ST. The Thai ladies typically live with their Thai man somewhere near the bar.

The current roster at Maggie Mays.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2752741]Have a look at gandamitch on chaturbate.

She is normally one very day, solo, or a twosome or 3 some, and is making $500-1000 per day based on token counts (each token earns her 5 c).

She also has instagram (MorenaMitch), and OFs to make money.

And yes, she and her friends are at most 6-7/10's, but she is making the money.[/QUOTE]She identifies as a Phillipino. Funny bro. Haha.

I had a couple of gogo dancers over for drinks today. I knew one previously, and she brought over a friend (which is one way of adding ladies to my rotation). The deal is I pay 2000 baht for the ladies to come drink for a few hours. What else they do is up to them.

After a couple of hours worth of tequila shots, they got naked, and I took them separately into the bedroom, one for pussy licking, the second for fucking.

If the ladies actually cum from pussy licking, I am amazed that they don't demand it. This one was jerking around, moaning, the whole bit, finally pushing me away. No idea if it was real or not.

Tonight, I will hit the Gentlemen's clubs to find a lady for a barfine. I want a lady who I have already gone with, but not too recently. Let's hope one is available.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2752967]The "Darkside" is merely the area east of Sukhumvit Road. It's more thinly populated, but there are a lot of foreigners living there due to lower prices. Plenty of smaller bars spread out there, typically with 5 to 10 ladies, with the same regular customers. The typical customer has retired, has a Thai wife, but she is older and doesn't want to fuck much, if at all, and is not too interested in her husband. So the guy goes to the local bar to play with a bargirl and maybe get a BJ or go ST. The Thai ladies typically live with their Thai man somewhere near the bar.[/QUOTE]This so stupid funny!

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2752967]The Thai ladies typically live with their Thai man somewhere near the bar.[/QUOTE]In my experience the chicks that work at bars on the darkside typically live at the bars.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2752858]Hold your Arabian Horses.

Rainbow 4 Nana Plaza Superstar still at 3,000 baht. I inquired not more than a month ago.

Schlubs at Rainbow 4 still at, I really don't know. They don't get customers.

I'm not saying Schlubs are good or bad,. Looks Matters.[/QUOTE]I'm a value vs looks vs performance guy. It's a math equation to me and I am looking for a point / range on the curve. I am much more partial to the little older 7 who can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch (and who will spend 1-2 hours pleasing you for less than $100 all in) than the overpriced young 10 who turns out to be a starfish. If really wanted just looks, I would go to Amsterdam or a German FKK where the many of the girls are porn star gorgeous. Or to Athens and get solid 8-9 (and sometimes a 10) Eastern EU / South American escorts who come to your hotel room for $150ST.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2752961]Thanks a lot for summarizing this very practical information. Its rare to find such informative post now a days.

How is the quantity of freelancers on beach road in Pattaya and on sukumvit road in Bangkok? 50% of pre covid days or just 20%?[/QUOTE]I don't have a huge amount of data points to go off, but I would say that it's off a bit. Not 50%, but not back to pre-covid. Part of that also might be the rainy / monsoon season, especially since it seems to have been a rather bad one this year. I think that the data points we get from the upcoming high season will give us a much better idea of post covid recovery of quality.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2753088]She identifies as a Phillipino. Funny bro. Haha.[/QUOTE]Yes, she says she is Pinay, but she is based in Phuket, and the girls she plays with online in Chaturbate, and also Instagram are all Thai.

Look up Tastymaze, Mai, KittyPokemon, etc.

In my mind none of them are stunning, more like just above average, but they are making the money without doubt.

I did a traditional barfine the other night, taking a MILF to my condo. Paid 2000 baht, she stayed for a few hours. We drank some, she got naked, and then we went to the bedroom. A bit of a change of pace for me, going with a newbie.

Tonight I have 2 ladies coming, should be fun.

Dear Abbey.

Last night five women came to my villa, in the suburbs of Pattaya; incredible enough they got in bikini to jump in the pool, where they removed their tops. The sight of tits visible was outstandiing, I was about to shag two of them but the other three did not agree.

So they draws me to the bedroom where I have a 2 x size king bed. Interaction was massive. One was even a virgin.

Needless to say that with copious amount of Samsong and tequila shots, she surrender and joined the "ex virgin army".

I had to shag them all night and it was exhausting. In the morning I had to kick them out by paying 5000 baht each. They wanted to stay all the day long for free. But I had other arrangements for the afternoon.

Dear Abbey, do you think a decent man can handle this for long? I have far too many ladies lining up for the next 6 days. Why their Thai boyfriends and husbands are not doing their job?

I am feeling like a missionary doing a lot of mercy. Will this give me merit at the local temple?

After my first and probably last for a while trip to Pattaya here is al ist of what I enjoyed, of courses everyones tastes are different.

Taxi service from BKK. I used both Mr. Nice and Nam Lady Taxi and I will have to go with Mr Nice. My return fight after leaving Thailand for a week was early and Mr. Nice driver was waiting vs when my initial flight into Thailand was 45 min early I had to wait for Nam's driver. Mr. Nice was 200 baht cheaper too.

Hotel. Holiday Inn Express- Can't speak to compare to others as this is the only Pattaya hotel I have been, but great staff, clean, new, decent location, in house laundry.

Massage. Nemo for no funny business top notch massage, Super Thai the next block down for decent massage but other stuff on the table. Ask for oil massage upstairs. I had been going here daily and on my 3rd day I saw a tall big boob hottie. There is only one other decent looking massage girl there altough the boss lady is superfit. Anyways asked her if she does massage hotel, no problem. Long story short I paid her shop fee for the last two days of my trip and had a very fun two days. Nice GFE for thoose wanting and not greedy. I won't say her name but she will stand out and she is heading back home shortly for next three weeks but I highly recommend hitting this place and her up.

GC. Maggie May and Purple Club. Maggie May a bit more fun lively and closer to everything. Purple club hotter girls. I also went to high rollers, and there were some hotties for sure but observing body behavior I could tell many were not true pleasers.

Bar. I hit a up a few bars but my daily was The Jungle / Rabbit Hole on Soi 13/1. I came across this bar on a Buzzin video and found out the owner was a fellow Canadian so I had to stop by. Quite quiet in terms of traffic, but they have a wicked band, the girls aren't pushy for lady drinks. I went every night to listen to good live music play pool and not be bothered by girls wanting to by drinks. Most of the ladies are older but there is one in her mid thirties. Doesn't speak english well but with translate was no problem and enjoyed a few fun nights with her. Again very service oriented GFE, and very loud in bed. I can't see how he can make any money only saw a few customers a night so I have to shamelessly plug his place, I think its mroe of the location on Soi 13 than the bar itself Hoping high season things pick up a bit.

Go Go - Kink in LK metro. Altough I didn't bar fine, a regret, but ran out of time. Go to the second floor. plenty of debauchery.

Food. A block away from my hotel first intersection towrds LK metro great coffee and smoothie cart. Korandos not far away from my hotel was good too, a few really good looking ladies their but I think some are not BF. I checked out both Cheap Charlies & Nickys for an english breakfast and altough CC is nicer food and service and Nicky's is better.

Right next to Super Thai is a super sweet and super hot girl running a Sushi stand. I would come support her a cause I felt a bit bad, not alot of traffic but she was super hot. So I didn't mind chatting to her for a bit while I ate my sushi My last day she told me she might break up with her falang BF. Damn a little too late, I would be over that like a pig in shit. Sushi was good for the price and I recommend checking her out.

Finally Mama's burger across the 7/11 for my nightly burger and chat her and other patron. For the price top class burger.

As I said before there is something for everyone in Pattaya. If something is not working for you there 1000 more opportunities around the corner.

I won't return anytime soon simply because there isn't enough to do during the day, other than drink or go for massages. The daily torrential rain did not help either.

Overall it was a great experience and lots of fun. You won't regret going.

Well I gave it my best at bat. Was a Pin Up this past weekend. It was early about 8:45 pm. Model 467 in white, very delicious body. White skinned. Chinese facial features. Nice bolt on tits. Slim but leggy with a thin waist. Maybe the best in there. After her dance rotation, she walked by where I was sitting and I was able to confirm her looks up close. Called mamasan over and asked if she was barfineable. Mamasan said she was. Made my max offer, which was same max offer, I offered targeted stunner girls at the GoGo bars before COVID, if you can understand that. Told mamasan I was willing to buy her 5 drinks to match her nightly quota to fulfill that 50 in 10 days contract. Pay the barfine and 5000 for LT and table service at Club Panda. Plus 100 tip to mamasan if all that can close the deal. Mamasan walked over to the girl, chatted with her for a minute, and pointed to me. Model 467 smiled and walked over. Boy, I thought I was getting lucky! Model 467, then told me she cannot go tonight because she had another customer booking. She said thank you and told me next time. For all that I got a kiss on the cheek and was told come back next week. Mamasan gave me an I'm sorry smile and asked if I want to choose another. To that I said, let me look, but meant no. Well damn, I thought. I sat there 30-40 more minutes and saw other customers buy her a drinks. She didn't go with any of them. About 10 pm. A hefty Korean guy with a sleeveless AC / DC muscle shirt came in and called her off the stage. I watched as a couple of trays of 10 shots of tequila was brought out to her. She invited 2 more of her model girlfriends to their little party. He also asked the waitstaff to bring out a 2000 baht bucket of ping pong balls and handed it all to her. She kept the whole bucket to herself. Wonder does he know that Pin Up keeps 1000 of that, only 10 baht per ball goes to the girl. He must be new. Oh well, now I saw why my offer of nearly 8,000 plus clubbing, seemed like a lowball offer. Cheap ass me. Didn't feel like competing. Instead I walked over to SkyFalls and called good ole Giftzy whom I met at Living Dolls ages ago. One of my first barfines ever in Pattaya ages ago. She since worked for quite a few clubs including Pin Up. Bought her a couple of drinks and got a free hand job. SkyFalls is so dark and raunchy. Damn near can get a seizure with those strobe lights. Reminds me of the shut down Taboo Club. Sorry to staff that had to clean up my jizz. Blame it on Giftzy, she was the one who wiped my cum on the sofa not me. Oh well, I did my best. But I guess my best wasn't good enough. Cause here we are. Back where we were before. Seems nothin' ever changes. We're back to being strangers. Wondering if we ought to stay. Or head on out the door. Just damn once!

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2752690]The global recession has nothing to do with Russia-Ukraine. It has everything to do with governments and central banks printing money for years and increasing the debt whilst kicking the can down the road. The global recession is just commencing and it will be felt in Thailand as it will everywhere else. Tourist numbers will drop as farang won't have the money to travel. Less tourists means the price of pussy decreases. Just wait another year and these same girls pushing for 2 k ST will be lucky to get 1 k ST.

Certainly too many bars in Pattaya, contraction has to happen.

I'm in Samui now and yes the quality and quantity is low, but the girls that are here are so desperate I am getting whatever I want. There is an extreme lack of tourists here and the majority of Samui tourists aren't mongers anyways. I'm surprised these girls are here instead of Phuket. Yesterday I had a girl over for 3 hours for for 1 k ST and she was more attractive than any girl I bedded in two months I was in Pattaya. Today sampling a cute one I got down to 700 baht ST, we'll see how it goes.[/QUOTE]Jesus mate, you are knocking these girls down 300 baht? Its 7 dollars FFS.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2753626]Well I gave it my best at bat. Was a Pin Up this past weekend. It was early about 8:45 pm. Model 467 in white, very delicious body. White skinned. Chinese facial features. Nice bolt on tits. Slim but leggy with a thin waist. Maybe the best in there. After her dance rotation, she walked by where I was sitting and I was able to confirm her looks up close. Called mamasan over and asked if she was barfineable. Mamasan said she was. Made my max offer, which was same max offer, I offered targeted stunner girls at the GoGo bars before COVID, if you can understand that. Told mamasan I was willing to buy her 5 drinks to match her nightly quota to fulfill that 50 in 10 days contract. Pay the barfine and 5000 for LT and table service at Club Panda. Plus 100 tip to mamasan if all that can close the deal. Mamasan walked over to the girl, chatted with her for a minute, and pointed to me. Model 467 smiled and walked over. Boy, I thought I was getting lucky! Model 467, then told me she cannot go tonight because she had another customer booking. She said thank you and told me next time. For all that I got a kiss on the cheek and was told come back next week. Mamasan gave me an I'm sorry smile and asked if I want to choose another. To that I said, let me look, but meant no. Well damn, I thought. I sat there 30-40 more minutes and saw other customers buy her a drinks. She didn't go with any of them. About 10 pm. A hefty Korean guy with a sleeveless AC / DC muscle shirt came in and called her off the stage. I watched as a couple of trays of 10 shots of tequila was brought out to her. She invited 2 more of her model girlfriends to their little party. He also asked the waitstaff to bring out a 2000 baht bucket of ping pong balls and handed it all to her. She kept the whole bucket to herself. Wonder does he know that Pin Up keeps 1000 of that, only 10 baht per ball goes to the girl. He must be new. Oh well, now I saw why my offer of nearly 8,000 plus clubbing, seemed like a lowball offer. Cheap ass me. Didn't feel like competing. Instead I walked over to SkyFalls and called good ole Giftzy whom I met at Living Dolls ages ago. One of my first barfines ever in Pattaya ages ago. She since worked for quite a few clubs including Pin Up. Bought her a couple of drinks and got a free hand job. SkyFalls is so dark and raunchy.[/QUOTE]I've saw Giftzy a few times in there, seems to be a bit up herself. Decent bar fine? I took the older one last time, really good dancer. Name is Tik.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2752138]Well been here since Friday after my last visit in June.

For the Pattaya junkys? Yeah you can fuck and all. It's still better than most cities.

For the realistic people and information seekers? It's time to move on. Pattaya is at the end of a era. A new one will start but when that happens there is no excuse for NOT going to BKK or Phuket. Both cities have much more to offer and the price gap is probably gone.

What happened? (IMO) Too many bars have been sold for crazy amount of money without anything to back it up. You buy a bar for a few million THB? You not buy ANYTHING. Because you still got to pay rent. Girls are not on a payroll. So you buy on a "promise" of possible revenue from the previous owner. Without the tools he had (aka the ladies).

So you basically pay for furniture. Maybe a soundsystem. Its crazy. But many guys fell into this scam...[/QUOTE]I am still on the ground here in Pattaya, you can see some of my previous posts and my opinion has not changed much. I agree with you, Pattaya is not what it was and its in a lot of trouble.

There have always been too many bars spread out all over the show, but at the moment the competition for girls is so fierce that its created bizarro world. My intention is not to put people off, its mostly to provide some perspective so that you can adjust expectations and perhaps consider what your game plan should be based on how much time you would have if you travel here.

I would like to add some general updates based on what I am seeing and hearing given the additional time I have had here too. I'm out of here in two weeks, so its ended up being a good 2.5 months in Pattaya. I'll be going over old ground in some cases, but my view has been solidified for the most part that this place is past its prime and I am not sure how it actually recovers either. Normally I am a two week millionaire type, but I have changed things up given the longer amount of time I have spent in country. I have come to realize talking to the girls, bar managers and owners / staff of various businesses that its the two week millionaires that kept this place going. As much as the old cheap charlies and expats complain about the pricing pressure they create, in reality they were actually the lifeblood for a lot of the industry because they spend big and they pay the bills.

1 - The gogos are a fucked. I love thai women and asian women, but there is simply no way I can justify paying these sorts of barfines and prices. Not to mention the LD quotas. I am not short of a buck and not a budget traveller, but we are talking about prices that are starting to match Europe. Beautiful thai women are up there with women from all over the world, but the ratios have never been in their favour like they are in Eastern Europe and Latin America either. So if you are on a short trip here, you are going to be paying through the nose for a belter or having to waste time hunting for that gem that pops up from time to time. You are in for 8 k-10 k all up by the time BF's, drinks, LD's and girls rates are taken into account if you pull them out before midnight. Add the hotel cost, food, flights and other expenses? If they were full of women that could match any half decent FKK, Spanish bordello or Brazilian club I would say fine. But its not at that level, regardless of your tastes and how deep the yellow fever runs. Anyone who says otherwise has never been to these countries, or went to the wrong places when they visited.

2 - Long Time (LT) is actually becoming an issue. This was one of the major appeals of Thailand, was that you took a girl for the night and it was normally 1-2 pops before bed and then another shot when you wake up with the morning wood. More and more girls are only providing ST now. This is from the bars, gentlemen's clubs, etc. Gogos its still bog standard for most, but the Thai LT service is gradually eroding.

3 - The competition for girls has created a massive shortage across the whole industry. Gogo's are paying a lot to get staff and they are taking just about anyone. Which means they are hoovering up all the girls, and that has reduced the quality right down the food chain. There are still a lot of girls who choose to work in specific environments because it suits them, many just prefer working bars or gentlemen's clubs to gogos regardless of the extra cash they would make, but the shortage is having an impact. The 10 day contracts are all the girls talk about, and they are shopping themselves as much as possible.

4 - All the girls are complaining about how quiet it is. Beyond that restaurant staff, massage therapists, hotel staff. All saying the same thing and you can sense there are a lot of nerves and a growing concern that things do need to pickup this high season otherwise a lot more places are going under. This season is a big one for Pattaya and it needs it badly.

5 - The girls are not actually pushing their rates up, for the most part those have stayed the same for years now and I am not sure how a lot of them actually do it. A few of the gogos are rammed, but the vast majority are dead quiet. A lot of bars and GC's too, a few doing good trade but many are struggling. Nightclubs are also not that busy, and when they are they packed with Indians sitting around a single drink who spend the night dancing with each other and talking more than anything else. The costs are the costs from the business owners to cover their overheads, not from the girls themselves. A lot of these girls are struggling to get more than a few drinks sold a night, and in many cases are not being barfined at all given the high BF rates at some places. So they are reliant on those 10 day contracts and salaries too.

6 - The pressure to sell drinks in some venues is fucking insane and it puts you off going into these venues. Its relentless, to the point where cleaning staff are hammering you. I know the owners need to start turning a buck, but this is not the way. I have not been back to walking street in two weeks, and even LK Metro it is out of control with it. Its a pain in the ass dealing with the bullshit because you can't just sit and have a beer for a while it seems.

7 - Never thought I would see the day, but some girls in GC's and bars even on Soi 6 are drinks only. They don't BF, they only sell drinks. No idea why owners and managers think their customers are coming to speak broken English to bar girls only, but this is becoming more and more frequent. This is how desperate they are for any girls in the bar now.

8 - 90% of the girls are not pushing their rates up, but I think its coming soon. Been a few cheeky attempts at 1500-1800 on Soi 6, which has also turned into a drinking alley more than the fucking alley it used to be. There is no reason to visit Soi 6, if its bars and GC's your best bet is currently Buakow area where I have been spending more and more time.

9 - Hotels are cheap as shit right now, its tough not to just stick around if you can work remotely like I do. So that's what I have done, and I have settled into a routine that has been very comfortable. Everything else is still very well priced, so accommodation, food and food choices, gyms, etc are all great and cheap as hell given quality. And I always loved the people here. Beyond the sex industry Thailand has a lot to offer and still does, so I have enjoyed my time here immensely still.

10 - Being able to spend more time here means I have been getting stuck into the semi pros and less active freelancers. This has been a goldmine, the quality of the girls is right up there with the top gogo quality at times and its been delivery straight to the hotel room with the occasional night out with them. At the moment, I think the freelancers are the way to go, be it nightclubs or dating sites. Please bare in mind I am mid 40's too, and some of these girls have their age limits so they are picking their customers a bit more so maybe my experience is a bit skewed, I am not sure. SO if you are here a while, you can set yourself up like a king in no time. However if you don't have that time on the ground, its going to be a challenge unless you want to drop a lot of money.

11 - A lot of girls are going the freelance route now. They talk amongst themselves a ton, have their own chat groups and messaging groups, etc. Make no mistake they are organized. When you ask them why some of them who would be very popular at the gogos are not working there, or even a bar? Basically they are sick to death of the bullshit from the mamasans and the owners. Pressure to sell drinks, pressure to compete with other girls, pressure to dance for 8-10 hours, lots of drinking, fines for everything under the sun including days they can't work if they are sick. Inability to choose customers sometimes, endlessly bombarded with loud music. So they make a little less as freelancers, but they set their own hours and they also have tons of ways to meet men now. They are all active on social media, so they are constantly reeling men in. They also tend to get a lot of repeats which they all prefer.

I agree that with recession coming, the increasing cost of flights and the lack of tourism from Russia and China that the Thai tourism industry is in for a seriously difficult run the next few years. The Indians are not spending anything, and I think Pattaya as it is right now is going to put a lot of people off from returning too, especially for those of you who have been here a a few times and have expectations given prior experience.

Had 12 days here recently. Second trip here for me. This time was much better. Last trip was pre covid. A good tip for punters going here – download the Discord app. Doesn't work on apple devices – only android / google. Apple has some content restriction nonsense so annoyingly I couldn't open the app after downloading it onto my ipad. So had to use a windows PC – but the info is excellent and even shows photos of the current line up of girls working in each agogo / club / bar / gentleman's clubs. The guys on there also share great info of all sorts of things not just girls but on restaurants / taxis – literally everything. So to Trev who runs Discord – if you are reading this – thank you for your brilliant videos and informative app which really helped me and should be used for anyone going to Pattay. Seek Trev out on Buzzin Pattaya on YouTube.

Tree Town.

For me the best area overall. Lively, lots going on. Some great beer bars with fabulous live music.

One or two good karaoke bars if that's your thing. Tried Escape (set up by the Buzzin Pattaya crew) but didn't much like it. It tries to be a bit of everything and I'm not sure it works. Tree Town has the usual large offering of massage parlours and I tried several which were excellent and good value.

Several ladyboy bars. Not my bag but to each their own and I was definitely fooled several times. I learned this trip that the ladyboys are not at all offended if you ask outright if they are a ladyboy. But I did proposition girls on two occasions who I would never have believed were ladyboys – stunning, fabulous thin bodies and without the tell-tale signs of large hands / Adam's apple / low voice. Each time they whispered in my ear that they were LBs and I politely declined.

Soi 6 hasn't changed at all in my view from several years ago. It still buzzes with hundreds of girls, many of them great options from mid afternoon until late. I had several sessions having just literally picked a girl from her looks on the street, straight inside, drink for her and me and off to the room upstairs. All good sessions. Prices were 1000 baht for the girl and 400 or sometimes 500 for the room. I didn't haggle. These prices compared to mongering in other parts of the world are unbelievably cheap. I try to respect that paying over the top increases the price for locals, so I did reject a couple of girls who tried it on with requests for 1500 bhat – and stayed firm on "I will go to the room right now if we agree 1000 baht but that's the price". On each such occasion the girl immediately conceded and off we went. On two occasions I gave a 250 baht tip after the event for great service.

Soi 7 is more relaxed that Soi 6 with some good options. A number of beer / pool bars, one in the middle of the street (Chor Leera) with a stunning little girl called Bee – she has a tattoo of her name on her arm. I insisted upon seeing her ID before I took her as she looks very young – but to my surprise she is 19. Body to die for but her service is "inexperienced" and I didn't repeat.

Decided out of no more than curiosity to visit The Castle – third road, almost on its own, which is a fetish club. You knock on the door and a pretty girl appears at the hatch to tell you it is 1000 baht just to enter – which will buy you one drink! Wow – expensive. So first time I politely declined and jumped on a bike back to Soi Lenkee – which also has some decent options. But my curiosity got the better of me and the next night I returned waving a 1000 baht note as the hatch was opened. You go inside to be greeted by about 10 girls all in sexy lingerie and you meet the Mistress – tall blonde Thai lady who is clearly not to be messed with. You get your drink and they position you on a seat for the start of the immediate personal show! Had not realised that was included in the price. They start tying a young pretty naked girl up in ropes and there are whips, canes, paddles and all sorts of equipment close by. Clearly inexperienced in the genre I tried to protest "please don't hurt that girl for me – I only wanted to come to see what this was all about". Not a good idea! Blonde Mistress orders all of the girls to their knees – by now 6 of them are topless. She turns to me and says "You are in my club. I am in charge now. Don't interrupt – just watch. " I lamely try to say this was meant to just be a bit of fun for me and can't we just have a drink and she howls laughing. 4 slaves are chosen by Mistress to remain kneeling but bend putting their asses in the air. She blasts out verbal orders and they all in unison scream "yes mistress". Whilst I was enjoying the sight of the four naked butts in front of me, I really wanted to halt the performance but realised that was not going to happen. Mistress proceeds to whip the asses of the four kneeling slaves and the breasts of the one tied up in ropes. Happily for me, she is pretty tame and it is clear this performance is not going to involve the girls suffering much pain. I was relieved at that, and when it was over.

I then got the guided tour of the place. There is every kind of implement, restraint, etc you can imagine. We get to the back of the club and to my surprise there is a naked guy tied up on a bench with his ass in the air. He was there all along without me noticing. As we approach the area where he was I tried to stop my host (the Mistress) saying I didn't want to intrude. Clearly not understanding the psyche of all of this she tells me he would not want me to miss out. She barks at him to request pain. He duly obliges and she selects a long bendy bamboo cane and must have cracked his ass with it no less than 20 times (I didn't count). Unlike with her female slaves there was no lack of effort this time and his ass was a mass of stripes quickly. I dared not attempt to intervene – she was not someone to pick an argument with – and in any event he appeared to be enjoying it!

Mistress takes to the bar, offers me another drink and asks whether I am sub or dom but suspects I am sub because I didn't want her slaves to be hurt. I know enough to know what this means but tell her that I really am not all that bothered about it and just was curious. This is clearly a disappointment to her. I think she quite fancied another bound guy to beat. She tells me that she thinks I would be more comfortable coming to the party on a Friday night. 1500 entry instead of 1000 but as many drinks as I want all night for free (not a bad deal) and shows every 30 minutes. She explains there will be at least 4 mistresses and one male Master. Wonderful (not! She said the club was busy with a lot of people – men and women on Fridays. I lied to her that this sounded a lot better for me as I would prefer to watch, and that I'll be back on Friday. I had no intention of returning but thought this was a polite way out until she asks me for a 500 deposit! I tell her that alas I need to check with pals if they will come to before I commit and I left. All very interesting and if domination / submission is your thing this is a very professional place where they are experts.

Back to the "normal" world. My main objective on this trip was to sample the Gentleman's clubs. I did a lot of research on them all from several of the excellent YouTube channels about them.

I won't report on every one of them – it would take a long time. But I tried M Club, Babylon, High Rollers, Maggie Mays, Camel Toe, Den, Purple Bar, The Cave and I suspect others I cannot remember. Without being unkind to any of them (I found Maggie Mays for example to be far too small), there is an absolute stand out club – High Rollers. It is slightly more expensive (drinks) than the other clubs but it was fabulous. You enter to gold pillars and surroundings – all very over the top but the quality of the girls in this place was, for me, better than in any of its rivals and moreover, better than most of the agogos on Walking Street. Two great pool tables – one downstairs the other upstairs, staff are mega friendly (though that was true everywhere). Some of the girls in HRs are 9's and 10/10's. Fom – stunningly beautiful with a knockout body – at only 1000 baht for upstairs and 500 for the room, she was too good to resist and I had several excellent sessions with her. But then I did so with a lot of girls in there. Highlight of my trip was my last visit – arrived early afternoon and had no less than 8 rooms before I left that night – one threesome and my final room with my favourite 4 ladies (a first for me). I am too old to be popping more than once or twice a day but that didn't matter to me and I had sufficiently recovered from my afternoon pop to enjoy my final group session – not cheap but my farewell to Pattaya this trip in easily my favourite bar / gentleman's club.

Walking Street – not a lot has changed. Tried several of the agogo bars, some pretty girls. Actually did not consider (as has been reported) that Pin Up had the best talent. For me, one girl in Palace stood out and I BFd her. But as others have reported, I didn't like that a lot of people walk along WS with phones lifted up videoing all that was going on. I restricted myself to two visits mainly because I much preferred LK Metro and Tree Town or Buakhao / Pothole and even Lenkee.

Tried all three of the Honey soapies. For me, best of the three is Honey 2 which is North Pattaya next door to Siam hotel and not far from Terminal 21 mall. Great choices though far more expensive than in the above venues. Pricing system in colours. Red tag girls cheapest (from memory 2000 baht) up to the black tags (4000). So x4 prices of the other bars etc but still a great experience and I actually returned twice for Blue tag M155 who looked like Kim Kardashian without the huge butt and was truly 10/10 service.

Another fabulous trip to Pattaya. Whilst it is run down in many parts, and the beach is not that great, the options for mongering are truly unrivalled across the globe. Dubai is fantastic but x10 more expensive. On a value for money basis Pattaya is fantastic. I loved the Gentleman's clubs far more than I expected. Many reports say the girls are older and not so attractive so that when a really pretty girl stops getting picked in the agogos they move on to the gents clubs. That was not my experience at all. Maggie Mays and Camel Toe did have older and less pretty girls, but I found really pretty young girls in most of the clubs and High Rollers particularly so. The soapies are really good – not as good as the opulent ones in Bangkok but still good. The areas around LK Metro and Tree Town are great for a night out. For food, and live music try Malibrew – food was incredible and the artists very talented. Excellent. A bit out of it up in North Pattaya again but worth the inexpensive cab there and back into town. Or the Don Pepe Spanish tapas in town.

Until the next time.I agree with YngMong. You will not regret going. The options are just great.

10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1's. We need Photos.

In Aug I walked up and down Soi 6 about 5 time,. Couldn't even spot a 5.

Counting Regular non Prostitutes, like in Shopping Centers never have I seen a 9 or ten in Pattaya.

"Soi 6 hasn't changed at all in my view from several years ago."

Come on. Anybody that is in Pattaya can tell you 25% of the Soi 6 bars are closed. Dolls Agogo is missing on Soi 6. And there are way much less acceptable girls on Soi 6 than before. And before, it wasn't that great anyways.

"High Rollers. It is slightly more expensive (drinks) than the other clubs but it was fabulous. You enter to gold pillars and surroundings all very over the top but the quality of the girls in this place was, for me, better than in any of its rivals and moreover, better than most of the agogos on Walking Street. Two great pool tables one downstairs the other upstairs, staff are mega friendly (though that was true everywhere). Some of the girls in HRs are 9's and 10/10's. From stunningly beautiful with a knockout body."

You know they do have a Facebook page, right? I've looked at it and my eyes hurt now.

"Actually did not consider (as has been reported) that Pin Up had the best talent. For me, one girl in Palace stood out and I BFd her. But as others have reported, I didn't like that a lot of people walk along WS with phones lifted up videoing all that was going on. I restricted myself to two visits mainly because I much preferred LK Metro and Tree Town or Buakhao / Pothole and even Lenkee."

No face. No name. No number. Was a song by Modern Talking. Still don't know what the hell they were singing about.

Meet Alina Lando who resides in Phuket. Anyways, just a reminder to what exactly a 10 looks likes before we start throwing that number around causally for Soi Pothole. It disrespects Alina and all the perfect 10's out there.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2753923]Had 12 days here recently. Second trip here for me. This time was much better. Last trip was pre covid.[/QUOTE]Great report. I put it in the ROD thread. Many people have talked about wanting to go to The Castle, but this is the first time I have seen an actual report on it. That chick is a real player calling you out by asking for a deposit!

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2753923]

Decided out of no more than curiosity to visit The Castle third road, almost on its own, which is a fetish club. [/QUOTE]Thank you for this report! I honestly. Laughed out loud reading this part about the S&M club- man oh man what a cool glimpse of the Sadistic Twists from your innocent eyes. I can only assume the "torture" is about as real as professional wrestling is or I would not be laughing. But either way your writing in this report was Epic!

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2753967]"Soi 6 hasn't changed at all in my view from several years ago."

Come on. Anybody that is in Pattaya can tell you 25% of the Soi 6 bars are closed. Dolls Agogo is missing on Soi 6. And there are way much less acceptable girls on Soi 6 than before. And before, it wasn't that great anyways.

"High Rollers. It is slightly more expensive (drinks) than the other clubs but it was fabulous. You enter to gold pillars and surroundings all very over the top but the quality of the girls in this place was, for me, better than in any of its rivals and moreover, better than most of the agogos on Walking Street. Two great pool tables one downstairs the other upstairs, staff are mega friendly (though that was true everywhere). Some of the girls in HRs are 9's and 10/10's. From stunningly beautiful with a knockout body."

You know they do have a Facebook page, right? I've looked at it and my eyes hurt now.

"Actually did not consider (as has been reported) that Pin Up had the best talent. For me, one girl in Palace stood out and I BFd her. But as others have reported, I didn't like that a lot of people walk along WS with phones lifted up videoing all that was going on. I restricted myself to two visits mainly because I much preferred LK Metro and Tree Town or Buakhao / Pothole and even Lenkee.[/QUOTE]I like your take on Looks. It matters.

At mrInternational I 100% agree with you. I did 3 months remote working and booked to come back in 2 weeks but might swerve Pattaya. It's too cutthroat and pressure cooker for me now. Cleaners and bouncers even ask for drinks. What have you been using for the semi pro scene? I did ok with Thai friendly.

Enjoyed reading Mr. Roberts' latest update on the Pattaya ground truth. Good man!

"There have always been too many bars spread out all over, but at the moment the competition for girls is so fierce that its created bizarro world."

Pattaya has always had too many bars. But 10 years ago, the rents were lower. Today higher rents and fewer customers have killed all those little places run by older falangs as a hobby. The bigger and more commercial places survive, but it appears they're tilting away from the naughty boys, in favor of patrons who are happy to just buy drinks.

"I have come to realize that it's the two week millionaires that kept this place going. They are actually the lifeblood of the industry because they spend big and they pay the bills."

Very true. But efficient market theory teaches us that they are informed consumers. Forums like this, and cogent analysis by guys like Mr. Roberts, allow them to learn the latest just by scrolling on their phones.

They know very well that Pattaya is less of a punter playground now. It's teetering on the brink of becoming a place where the girls tease but don't deliver. Guys who seek out play-for-pay are acutely sensitive to this, because every single one has paid good money for a bad experience, or even worse gotten ripped off. The moment they perceive Pattaya venues as clip joints, they will abandon that destination most ricky-tick.

GO GO CLUBS ARE POOR VALUE FOR MONEY: "We are talking about prices that are starting to match Europe. You are going to be paying through the nose or waste time hunting for that gem that pops up from time to time -- 8 k-10 k all up. Add the hotel cost, food, flights and other expenses. If the go go clubs were full of women that could match any half decent FKK, Spanish bordello or Brazilian club I would say fine. But it's not at that level."

Over the past 36 months I've read dozens upon dozens of reports to this effect. I think it's fair to say this is the consensus view. For me, the most worrisome finding is that hot girls are not available at any price. The Naughty Boy planning a holiday can't help but be concerned, especially if lives far from Thailand.

GREEDY BAR OWNERS PRIORITIZE ALCOHOL SALES OVER EVERYTHING ELSE: "The pressure to sell drinks in some venues is fucking insane and it puts you off going into these venues. Its relentless, to the point where cleaning staff are hammering you. I know the owners need to start turning a buck, but this is not the way. I have not been back to walking street in two weeks, and even LK Metro it is out of control with it."

The bars sell two things: Alcohol and "companionship. " So long as the girls remain back in the village, it's the equivalent of all those Chinese factories closed by COVID, or those container ships anchored near harbors full of goods that aren't on store shelves. So the bars try to sell alcohol. But selling alcohol, especially at premium prices, requires some X Factor to attract patrons. Seriously, without the chance to get laid by a hottie for a cheap price is there ANY attraction to one of the many Nightwish bars on Soi Six? To a go go club blasting EDM and charging 150 or more for a bottle of Chang?

MORE AND MORE GIRLS WON'T BUDGE FROM THEIR BARSTOOLS: "Never thought I would see the day, but some girls in GC's and bars even on Soi 6 are drinks only. No idea why owners and managers think their customers are coming to speak broken English to bar girls who won't go ST or LT but this is becoming more and more frequent. Soi 6 has turned into a drinking alley more than a fucking alley."

So we have a semi-attractive girl dressed provocatively who teases guys with the prospect of a trip upstairs in order to keep him buying high priced drinks. Call it a "hostess bar," a "clip joint" a "bottakuri" or "the bottle service scam." But it's anathema to the Two Week Millionaire that has supported Pattaya for decades.

LODGING & FOOD BARGAINS: Accommodation, food and gyms, etc are all great and cheap as hell. And I always loved the people here. Beyond the sex industry Thailand has a lot to offer and still does, so I have enjoyed my time here immensely. It's tough not to just stick around if you can work remotely.

All true. But as Mr. Roberts explained, it's the Two Week Millionaires who support the naughty boy scene in Pattaya. If the only visitors are Digital Nomads and Thrifty Ex-Pats, the local economy will collapse.

LONG TERM VISITORS ARE HOOKING UP WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF GIRL: "I have been getting stuck into the semi pros and less active freelancers. This has been a goldmine, and it's been delivery straight to the room with the occasional night out. If you are here a while, you can set yourself up like a king. However if you don't have that time on the ground, it's going to be a challenge unless you want to drop a lot of money."

CAN YOU SAY "DISINTERMEDIATION?" "A lot of girls are going the freelance route now. They are sick to death of the bullshit from the mamasans and the owners. ".

For the past 50 years or so the worldwide economy has ruthlessly eliminated middlemen who don't add value. Who needs a regional sales manager? We can eliminate the manufacturer rep and sell direct! Sounds like the girls are doing the same.

Two problems, it seems to me: (1) Going out to the club or the bar and seeing the girl in the flesh is part of the fun for most naughty boys. Just my opinion, but sitting in my room and scrolling on my phone seems a little sad. Of course YMMV. (2) Choosing a girl online increases the risk of a bad experience. Mostly because of bait and switch, but also because of no-shows and really bad attitudes. In the bar or club you can see the girl in person and assess her demeanor. I will say that if you find somebody you like in the club, it's silly simple to book repeats via Line.

WHO WILL BE THE MARGINAL BUYER GOING FORWARD? "With recession coming, the increasing cost of flights and the lack of tourism from Russia and China the Thai tourism industry is in for a difficult run. The Indians are not spending anything, and I think Pattaya as it is right now is going to put a lot of people off."

The USA Dollar is trading at about 38 to the Baht, which is the strongest Dollar in years. Compared to, say, 30/$ that's 27% more Baht to the dollar. Might the American Punter be the naughty boy who saves Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Bunky;2754031]
The USA Dollar is trading at about 38 to the Baht, which is the strongest Dollar in years. Compared to, say, 30/$ that's 27% more Baht to the dollar. Might the American Punter be the naughty boy who saves Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Absolutely not. I'm still on ground two months in an I'll tell you that the other members are correct in saying that the pricing has matched and even surpassed the equivalent quality of girl that can be had in Colombia, Peurto Rico, Dominican Rep, Mexico, or Brazil which all offer MUCH shorter flights, cheaper flights, and friendlier time zone shift for digital nomads to work remotely.

Nobody from the usa will want to continue to fly 22-34 expensive hours just to shift 11 hours time zone for mediocre pussy at above average prices. The only thing keeping Thailand as good value is that it is unrivaled for quality cheaper accommodation, fast cheap internet, and good cheap food compared to europe, africa, and latin america. This is advantageous for the 3 month stay tourist, but the 2 week millionaire gets way more bang for the buck closer to home.

Depending on what city in the USA, the cost analysis for time, travel, and accommodation even lends to the falling price of pussy in the USA. You can have your top level favorite IG model, mid level porn star, or music video stripper at home in Miami, Atlanta, vegas, or Houston for the equivalent time and cost of coming all the way to pattaya. Hell, if you only have a week its much cheaper faster and higher quality to head to Dubai and make rounds or hit Germany and make rounds of FKK and red lights with much more high quality opportunities.

Thailand really only makes sense for americans if you are minimum three weeks stay or if you already have a thai girlfriend and aren't going to be wasting a lot of money bar hopping. i've met a number of american guys who are retired here and they all are basically begging for me to move here permanently because they are bored and not meeting a lot of new people anymore. I probably won't be returning after i leave next month. The value is not here and pattaya is boring to death after you get tired of the clubs, bars, and drinking. there's nothing at all to do unless you enjoy going to the movies watching harry potter and spider man re-released 10 year old movies at the theaters everyday.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2753922]I am still on the ground here in Pattaya, you can see some of my previous posts and my opinion has not changed much. I agree with you, Pattaya is not what it was and its in a lot of trouble.

There have always been too many bars spread out all over the show, but at the moment the competition for girls is so fierce that its created bizarro world. My intention is not to put people off, its mostly to provide some perspective so that you can adjust expectations and perhaps consider what your game plan should be based on how much time you would have if you travel here.

I would like to add some general updates based on what I am seeing and hearing given the additional time I have had here too. I'm out of here in two weeks, so its ended up being a good 2.5 months in Pattaya. I'll be going over old ground in some cases, but my view has been solidified for the most part that this place is past its prime and I am not sure how it actually recovers either. Normally I am a two week millionaire type, but I have changed things up given the longer amount of time I have spent in country. I have come to realize talking to the girls, bar managers and owners / staff of various businesses that its the two week millionaires that kept this place going. As much as the old cheap charlies and expats complain about the pricing pressure they create, in reality they were actually the lifeblood for a lot of the industry because they spend big and they pay the bills.

1 - The gogos are a fucked. I love thai women and asian women, but there is simply no way I can justify paying these sorts of barfines and prices. Not to mention the LD quotas. I am not short of a buck and not a budget traveller, but we are talking about prices that are starting to match Europe. Beautiful thai women are up there with women from all over the world, but the ratios have never been in their favour like they are in Eastern Europe and Latin America either...[/QUOTE]Excellent report. And as someone who has been in Thailand the last three months, I can corroborate your points. I'm also like you leaving Thailand and returning home within a week or two. It's been a fun ride.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2753967]"Soi 6 hasn't changed at all in my view from several years ago."

Come on. Anybody that is in Pattaya can tell you 25% of the Soi 6 bars are closed. Dolls Agogo is missing on Soi 6. And there are way much less acceptable girls on Soi 6 than before. And before, it wasn't that great anyways.

"High Rollers. It is slightly more expensive (drinks) than the other clubs but it was fabulous. You enter to gold pillars and surroundings all very over the top but the quality of the girls in this place was, for me, better than in any of its rivals and moreover, better than most of the agogos on Walking Street. Two great pool tables one downstairs the other upstairs, staff are mega friendly (though that was true everywhere). Some of the girls in HRs are 9's and 10/10's. From stunningly beautiful with a knockout body."

You know they do have a Facebook page, right? I've looked at it and my eyes hurt now.

"Actually did not consider (as has been reported) that Pin Up had the best talent. For me, one girl in Palace stood out and I BFd her. But as others have reported, I didn't like that a lot of people walk along WS with phones lifted up videoing all that was going on. I restricted myself to two visits mainly because I much preferred LK Metro and Tree Town or Buakhao / Pothole and even Lenkee.".[/QUOTE]Thanks for cleaning this up, 9's and 10's basically don't exist and if you actually see one, you never forget her face. So yes, guys throwing out that this and that place have 9's and 10's is hilarious. We all have different standards but let's be real, Pattaya at this moment probably has no 10's and a few 9's who are so entitled that they won't session anyways.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2754109]Absolutely not. I'm still on ground two months in an I'll tell you that the other members are correct in saying that the pricing has matched and even surpassed the equivalent quality of girl that can be had in Colombia, Peurto Rico, Dominican Rep, Mexico, or Brazil which all offer MUCH shorter flights, cheaper flights, and friendlier time zone shift for digital nomads to work remotely.

Nobody from the usa will want to continue to fly 22-34 expensive hours just to shift 11 hours time zone for mediocre pussy at above average prices. The only thing keeping Thailand as good value is that it is unrivaled for quality cheaper accommodation, fast cheap internet, and good cheap food compared to europe, africa, and latin america. This is advantageous for the 3 month stay tourist, but the 2 week millionaire gets way more bang for the buck closer to home.

Depending on what city in the USA, the cost analysis for time, travel, and accommodation even lends to the falling price of pussy in the USA. You can have your top level favorite IG model, mid level porn star, or music video stripper at home in Miami, Atlanta, vegas, or Houston for the equivalent time and cost of coming all the way to pattaya. Hell, if you only have a week its much cheaper faster and higher quality to head to Dubai and make rounds or hit Germany and make rounds of FKK and red lights with much more high quality opportunities..[/QUOTE]I'm also American and have been in Thailand almost 3 months and thoroughly been enjoying the exchange rate.

I haven't mongered in the US since pre-covid as prices became outrageous. So I decided to take a look at current 1 hour ST prices back home in the US.

I put the average 1 hour price at $400. Conversely, average price in Pattaya for one hour is about 1,500 baht which is about $40.

Thus, it is approximately 10 times cheaper for an ST session here in Thailand than in the US. This doesn't even take into account.

That sessions are much higher quality with Thai girls than American girls given western women's entitlement. Additionally,

You have complete safety when you session here in Thailand by bringing a girl to your room whereas in the US you have to worry about.

A potential sting or ambush at wherever the girl is hosting as you certainly aren't hosting at your own private residence.

So yea Thailand is still extreme value compared to the US and most of the world. I still don't think ST in Thailand should be on avg.

Around 1,500 baht, should be 1,000; but overall hard to complain.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2753967]"Soi 6 hasn't changed at all in my view from several years ago."

Come on. Anybody that is in Pattaya can tell you 25% of the Soi 6 bars are closed. Dolls Agogo is missing on Soi 6. And there are way much less acceptable girls on Soi 6 than before. And before, it wasn't that great anyways.

"High Rollers. It is slightly more expensive (drinks) than the other clubs but it was fabulous. You enter to gold pillars and surroundings all very over the top but the quality of the girls in this place was, for me, better than in any of its rivals and moreover, better than most of the agogos on Walking Street. Two great pool tables one downstairs the other upstairs, staff are mega friendly (though that was true everywhere). Some of the girls in HRs are 9's and 10/10's. From stunningly beautiful with a knockout body."

You know they do have a Facebook page, right? I've looked at it and my eyes hurt now.

"Actually did not consider (as has been reported) that Pin Up had the best talent. For me, one girl in Palace stood out and I BFd her. But as others have reported, I didn't like that a lot of people walk along WS with phones lifted up videoing all that was going on. I restricted myself to two visits mainly because I much preferred LK Metro and Tree Town or Buakhao / Pothole and even Lenkee.".[/QUOTE]She is super hot like an Asian Marylyn Monroe!

[QUOTE=Vector313;2754109]Absolutely not. I'm still on ground two months in an I'll tell you that the other members are correct in saying that the pricing has matched and even surpassed the equivalent quality of girl that can be had in Colombia, Peurto Rico, Dominican Rep, Mexico, or Brazil which all offer MUCH shorter flights, cheaper flights, and friendlier time zone shift for digital nomads to work remotely.

Nobody from the usa will want to continue to fly 22-34 expensive hours just to shift 11 hours time zone for mediocre pussy at above average prices. The only thing keeping Thailand as good value is that it is unrivaled for quality cheaper accommodation, fast cheap internet, and good cheap food compared to europe, africa, and latin america. This is advantageous for the 3 month stay tourist, but the 2 week millionaire gets way more bang for the buck closer to home.

Depending on what city in the USA, the cost analysis for time, travel, and accommodation even lends to the falling price of pussy in the USA. You can have your top level favorite IG model, mid level porn star, or music video stripper at home in Miami, Atlanta, vegas, or Houston for the equivalent time and cost of coming all the way to pattaya. Hell, if you only have a week its much cheaper faster and higher quality to head to Dubai and make rounds or hit Germany and make rounds of FKK and red lights with much more high quality opportunities..[/QUOTE]Disagree. There is a huge value prop to Thailand for a US based person like myself. I usually spend 1 week in country twice a year. I travel business class for 120-140 K points miles + $50 fees round trip. I use Marriott for a few nights at the St Regis, or cash outlay $100 nights at the JW. I spend a couple of nights in Pattaya at the Hilton or IC for points /$125/ night cash. All of my stays have club access due to status, so meals / drinks are comped. I can go to a Michelin starred restaurant in BKK for less than $80 for the meal / drinks.

At current exchange rates a BBBJ / CIM at a BJ bar is $20 for pretty much as long you want to hold out. A Soi 6 session with a couple of drinks will set you back perhaps $55, again almost always semi PSE with BBBJ / CIM. Even a night at a Go-Go with drinks and barfine / ST session with shouldn't run over $150. $150 might get you a couple of drinks and couple lap dances at a club in Atl. A PSE Oily in BKK costs $125 for two ladies for 2 hours. You couldn't touch that last item in the states for less than $500-1000 if you don't want opiate addicts or meth heads.

My last trip to BKK / Pattaya a month ago for 7 days cost me $2,174 all in. Business class miles flight, 5-star hotels (4 nights out of pocket), taxis, 2 Michelin starred meals, and most importantly - 13 different ST interludes with 22 pops total. Even without points / miles I could do a week in-country flying economy, AirBnbing, being a bit more frugal meal-wise, and still have 10-12ST interludes and keep myself under $3,000 with each additional week maybe running me $700-800 going at full tilt.

Athens is the only other place that I have found that even comes close on value and mongering availability. You can catch a economy flight for sub $650 from the US, Airbnb for $40/ night, food is cheap, and go to Filis for 20 E a short session, 50-80 E for 20-30 min at a studio, or 80 E at massage place for 1 hour, 2 pops, perhaps even A+, and a half way decent massage. Also, outcalled, hot higher talent eastern EU / South American escorts who are mostly solid 8/9's for 140 E an hour. Upcharged to CIM and A+ for 200 E total. That same service / quality is 2-3 x cost in Dubai. (With a whole lot less attitude).

The German FKK / UAE is still going to be 10-16 hours of travel time and cost twice as much apples to apples. And there is not much of difference between 11 hours and 6-8 hours of time shift. South America / Caribbean is great if you are a proficient / native Spanish speaker, otherwise it is daunting at best and can feel pretty unsafe in any case compared to Thailand.

Hey, if a person hates airplanes and can't handle jet-lag, this hobby might not be a good fit. In my experience, it is hard to match the cost / value of Asian pussy arbitrage.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2754031]Enjoyed reading Mr. Roberts' latest update on the Pattaya ground truth. Good man!
LONG TERM VISITORS ARE HOOKING UP WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF GIRL: "I have been getting stuck into the semi pros and less active freelancers. This has been a goldmine, and it's been delivery straight to the room with the occasional night out. If you are here a while, you can set yourself up like a king. However if you don't have that time on the ground, it's going to be a challenge unless you want to drop a lot of money."

CAN YOU SAY "DISINTERMEDIATION?" "A lot of girls are going the freelance route now. They are sick to death of the bullshit from the mamasans and the owners. ".

For the past 50 years or so the worldwide economy has ruthlessly eliminated middlemen who don't add value. Who needs a regional sales manager? We can eliminate the manufacturer rep and sell direct! Sounds like the girls are doing the same.

Two problems, it seems to me: (1) Going out to the club or the bar and seeing the girl in the flesh is part of the fun for most naughty boys. Just my opinion, but sitting in my room and scrolling on my phone seems a little sad. Of course YMMV. (2) Choosing a girl online increases the risk of a bad experience. Mostly because of bait and switch, but also because of no-shows and really bad attitudes. In the bar or club you can see the girl in person and assess her demeanor. I will say that if you find somebody you like in the club, it's silly simple to book repeats via Line.[/QUOTE]I agree that when it comes to home delivery you rarely know what you are going to get. At least when you are meeting girls at bars and clubs you can see if there is any chemistry and get a better sense for them and look at them. Freelancers out of the nightclubs do reduce that risk, but beyond that there are going to be hits and misses. The hits though are home runs, and you can build up a wide harem that will keep you quite busy in a short amount of time. I have got some absolute firecrackers on the go here right now. Thing is this is not specific to Thailand, it would be the case in almost any country you go to. You can set yourself up this way almost anywhere in Asia or Latin America when you have time, so this is not something that Thailand has to offer that other destinations do not. Most people have short trips, and this is just not a practical or feasible approach if you are short on time.

The biggest warning sign for Pattaya though is the comments from the freelancers I am hearing and even the girls still in the venues, and I really do need to emphasize this.

Pattaya, and Thailand's sex industry is really based on the choices you have in venues and experiences. Oilies, soapies, gogos, beer bars, gentlemen's clubs, freelancers, massage shops. This is why most people are coming. If these girls are sick to death of the nonsense that comes with working at these venues, and they live in an age of social media where they don't need the foot traffic to find customers, then its another body blow for the venue operators themselves as both girls and customers gradually decide to just look at alternatives as the experience declines. This is starting to accelerate now, and Covid was pedal to floor in 5th gear I think.

Most of the girls hate pestering customers for drinks all day, and they know its pissing people off. They also don't want to drink all day either, they know its bad for their health and many customers apparently get quite agitated when the girls are drinking soft drinks rather than alcohol with them. So when you combine that with all the other nonsense and the high barfines that see them not getting chosen that often, its no wonder they are struggling to get the girls to come back too. They seem to want to operate like its still 2002 rather than 2022. So its not just the slim pickings with girls as it is for the punters, the venues themselves are gradually turning into places that are a headache to even visit in the first place.

Its in a death spiral now and I am not sure if they know this or are powerless to stop it. It can be summed up like this:

- The venues are forced to pay higher salaries to attract girls as there is so much competition for them (All of them, not just gogos).

- The girls don't need to put up with venue owner and mamasan bullshit like they used to, they can freelance easily or find other work easily.

- To cover those salaries they need the girls to sell drinks.

- The need to sell drinks has pushed up BF rates to discourage early take out, which has changed the dynamic completely.

- Which means the girls are not getting BF'ed as often, so they now rely on commissions and salary as their primary source of income.

- To keep their salaries and job, they need to hit drink quotas, so they come at the customers hard and move on quickly if the drinks are not flowing.

- The girls hate it, the punters hate it, all the trade is rapidly being being consolidated into a fewer venues while the rest are struggling.

This is a classic industry death spiral. Thing is, now that Thailand is open trade is up, albeit it shit but still up. And because its trending up, the venue operators are likely assuming that things are going to get back to normal soon and things will continue to trend back up, so they are unlikely to change how they are operating. I hope their optimism is correct because I would love to see Pattaya return to what it used to be. I would take 50% of what it used to be. I just don't think that its going to turn out this way, and I think the short term thinking with the owners playing catch up is going to bite them in the ass long term.

Another example is the soapies. I have been meeting girls who used to work at them, but have since stopped. Anyone who has been in them knows the quality of these girls tends to be on the very high side by Thai standards, so they are never going to struggle to find a place to work and there are some knock outs in these venues. Tons of them are freelancing now too though, and what has accelerated it was the desperation of the owners of these venues. They were so desperate for customers that they have been running package deals with tour operators for the Indian tourists. Instead of it being the usual routine of bath, mat play with body wash and then move to the bed for sex, they now offer discounts for Indian groups who are not exactly going to pay traditional soapie prices. Its straight to the bed with the girls without the initial routine, justifying the discount. The girls are expected to see a minimum of 6 people a day before they can go home, and they have basically been turned into knock shops with a fishbowl. Until you see it you won't believe it, but they are dropping off Indian tour groups in mini busses. The expectation is that all the girls that are there are going to have to accept the fact that they are going to get run through a minimum of 6 times a day if they want to leave before their 12 hour shift ends.

Its just crazy shit like this everywhere.

I see no reason for Europeans or Americans to travel here given the options elsewhere at the moment if sex is a major reason for your travel. I am in Brazil at the end of the year, so perhaps my view will change but as it stands right now I am unlikely to return to Thailand anytime soon for anything but business. I have to think that the industry shakes things out and maybe this high season will sort things out if the tourists come back I just don't think its going to be anywhere near the level this place needs at all. The industry is going to have to consolidate a ton if its going to survive, and the venue owners need to start getting a bit more creative with the business models they have in place, because this is not working. How that's done I don't know.

PayFotIt's report was interesting, its great to see people still having a good time rather than everyone being so jaded by the place too. In saying that I went into High Rollers, and there is not a single 8 there, let alone 9's or 10's. If you can find a 9 or 10 in that place then Thailand is going to be a goldmine for you with all the cheap sex still on offer with single mothers whose bodies have been ravaged by baby damage, shitty diets and excessive alcohol consumption. By Thai standards of the past, the lineup at High Rollers would not even get a mention its beer bar level. Soi Pothole is a talent wasteland at the moment I am sorry to say.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2754109]
Nobody from the usa will want to continue to fly 22-34 expensive hours just to shift 11 hours time zone for mediocre pussy at above average prices.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what this guy is talking about. On my recent trip I was getting attractive spinners in the afternoon off Thai Friendly for uncovered CIP for 1000-2000 baht and then hitting Soi 6 or another club area at night for the equivalent quality girls for roughly the same price. If you are talking about GoGo's or Walking street- sure not the greatest value- but nobody who is not a first time tourist really goes to those places.

Only thing I will agree with is that you need to have 3 weeks minimum, but I'm usually traveling for 3 months so its no problem.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2754149]I'm also American and have been in Thailand almost 3 months and thoroughly been enjoying the exchange rate.

I haven't mongered in the US since pre-covid as prices became outrageous. So I decided to take a look at current 1 hour ST prices back home in the US.

I put the average 1 hour price at $400. Conversely, average price in Pattaya for one hour is about 1,500 baht which is about $40.

Thus, it is approximately 10 times cheaper for an ST session here in Thailand than in the US. This doesn't even take into account.

That sessions are much higher quality with Thai girls than American girls given western women's entitlement. Additionally,

You have complete safety when you session here in Thailand by bringing a girl to your room whereas in the US you have to worry about..[/QUOTE]I replied with something similar but it got lost in the ether. Asian pussy arbitrage is still a fabulous value compared to the US. And lets face it, $400/ hour here will still probably get you a CBJ and a mediocre attitude. Too many punters willing to pay outrageous $$ for online live wanking, which is driving X% of available talent off the escort market. Safety, openness, wide-spread English use, and availability is a huge advantage for Thailand. Athens is the only EU city that I have found that offers comparable value / safety / open availability.

A premium economy ticket to BKK will run $1400-1700 from Ord / Lax / NYC. That is the equivalent of 2 quality short time sessions in the US. I used miles for business class on my last 7 day trip to BKK / Pattaya, but outside of that I spent a total of $2,174 - I stayed at 5 star hotels, had two Michelin restaurant meals, drank well, and had 12ST interludes with 20+ pops. Came home jet lagged and happily exhausted.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2754195]Its just crazy shit like this everywhere.

I see no reason for Europeans or Americans to travel here given the options elsewhere at the moment if sex is a major reason for your travel. I am in Brazil at the end of the year, so perhaps my view will change but as it stands right now I am unlikely to return to Thailand anytime soon for anything but business. I have to think that the industry shakes things out and maybe this high season will sort things out if the tourists come back I just don't think its going to be anywhere near the level this place needs at all. The industry is going to have to consolidate a ton if its going to survive, and the venue owners need to start getting a bit more creative with the business models they have in place, because this is not working. How that's done I don't know.

PayFotIt's report was interesting, its great to see people still having a good time rather than everyone being so jaded by the place too. In saying that I went into High Rollers, and there is not a single 8 there, let alone 9's or 10's. If you can find a 9 or 10 in that place then Thailand is going to be a goldmine for you with all the cheap sex still on offer with single mothers whose bodies have been ravaged by baby damage, shitty diets and excessive alcohol consumption. By Thai standards of the past, the lineup at High Rollers would not even get a mention its beer bar level. Soi Pothole is a talent wasteland at the moment I am sorry to say.[/QUOTE]It's really interesting to me to read the lamenting going on.

OMG. It's called macroeconomics.

Thailand's real GDP has grown from $1900/ per capita to $7500/ per capita since 2001 or about 400%. People are wealthier there now and there is more opportunity for the young women inside and outside the sex industry. The avg western OECD country per capita GDP has grown by 70-100% in the same period.

This isn't hard stuff. It's easy to see that prices will go up, and / or quality will go down for services. The pushing of drinks is a reaction to this. Like you said, rent / overhead / talent prices have increased and to keep margin, the owners have to raise revenue to offset it. They can't go crazy with the barfines or the girls won't come, and raising patron drink prices keep mongers out.

I am lucky, my income has increased 9 X since 2001, so comparatively I still find it obscenely cheap.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2754285]I'm not sure what this guy is talking about. On my recent trip I was getting attractive spinners in the afternoon off Thai Friendly for uncovered CIP for 1000-2000 baht and then hitting Soi 6 or another club area at night for the equivalent quality girls for roughly the same price. If you are talking about GoGo's or Walking street- sure not the greatest value- but nobody who is not a first time tourist really goes to those places.

Only thing I will agree with is that you need to have 3 weeks minimum, but I'm usually traveling for 3 months so its no problem.[/QUOTE]2000 thb is currently 53 euros which is more than a german FKK model of 50 EU or red light dist girl of 30 EU. Maybe you've just not traveled around the world enough, but 2000 for a thai spinner costs too much once you factor in the flight cost and travel inconvenience.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2754149]I'm also American and have been in Thailand almost 3 months and thoroughly been enjoying the exchange rate.

I haven't mongered in the US since pre-covid as prices became outrageous. So I decided to take a look at current 1 hour ST prices back home in the US.

I put the average 1 hour price at $400. Conversely, average price in Pattaya for one hour is about 1,500 baht which is about $40.

Thus, it is approximately 10 times cheaper for an ST session here in Thailand than in the US. This doesn't even take into account.

That sessions are much higher quality with Thai girls than American girls given western women's entitlement. Additionally,

You have complete safety when you session here in Thailand by bringing a girl to your room whereas in the US you have to worry about.

A potential sting or ambush at wherever the girl is hosting as you certainly aren't hosting at your own private residence.

So yea Thailand is still extreme value compared to the US and most of the world. I still don't think ST in Thailand should be on avg.

Around 1,500 baht, should be 1,000; but overall hard to complain.[/QUOTE]I'm going to assume you are from California hence your tagline, but in Atlanta where I live $400 per hour is porn star prices. Girls in Atlanta of the quality of soi 6 girls are going to cost you $80 - $150 per hour in ATL. A $400 girl in ATL is basically the same as going to one of those walking street russian gogos and getting the best girl in there. So again, factoring the plane ticket and inconvenience and prices are comparable. I can't speak for the west coast though.

As far as the safety concerns you are correct, but again, I will restate that there are other destinations closer to home in the caribean and latin America that offer the same safety and value as thailand with better looking women.

[QUOTE=Ehs183;2754177]$150 might get you a couple of drinks and couple lap dances at a club in Atl.[/QUOTE]I live in Atlanta and this is a completely laughable statement. You are definitely doing it wrong. User error. As far as your argument that you comp your travel for free, it is a logical fallacy when it pertains to this discussion of the general traveler cost analysis.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2754298]I live in Atlanta and this is a completely laughable statement. You are definitely doing it wrong. User error.[/QUOTE]Definitely laughable. I am from Atlanta and I know that you can fuck the strippers at certain strip clubs for $40.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2754296]2000 thb is currently 53 euros which is more than a german FKK model of 50 EU or red light dist girl of 30 EU. Maybe you've just not traveled around the world enough, but 2000 for a thai spinner costs too much once you factor in the flight cost and travel inconvenience.[/QUOTE]And 1000 thb, which was the price of one of my regulars and probably the girl I had the most sex with, is $26. She would usually come late, but we would always hang out after sex and she became a friend. Nice girl, I bought her a new phone before she left for Koh Samui. In total, I'd probably spend several. Multiples more on an American civilian girlfriend- that is if I could get one that is 23 years younger than me.

I've traveled extensively with mongering trips to Mexico, Curacao, Dominican Republic, Colombia, Brazil, Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. Never mongered in Europe but from the aforementioned list, Pattaya, Thailand is my #1 destination with Rio de Janeiro as #2. Pattaya is still a great deal- it's likely that Colombia is slightly more cost effective but tbh I've never had much fun mongering in Bogota or Medellin- too much hassle.

If you don't like Pattaya, that's fine- we won't need to be bothered with anymore posting from you then.

RS.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2754298]I live in Atlanta and this is a completely laughable statement. You are definitely doing it wrong. User error. As far as your argument that you comp your travel for free, it is a logical fallacy when it pertains to this discussion of the general traveler cost analysis.[/QUOTE]Lived in ATL for 9 years. Of course my rule of thumb is discretion doesn't stop until I am at least 200 miles from the flagpole.

Not a logical fallacy: The math still works.

Flight from ORD / NYC / LAX - $750.

7 days Airbnb - $300.

Transport - $80.

Food = $100.

Xport and board = $1300.

Mongering - 2 x ST sessions a day (Probably 20 pops if up to it) 1700 be /$45 each (Combo of Soi Six / Freelancer w / drinks).

Total Mongering = $650.

Total all in $2000 for 14 sessions. Or $140/ session.

Thai sessions. BBBJ / CIM standard and many times with A+/ Rimming. You generally get an Issan girl who is most times submissive and has been raised to please men.

US session. BBBJ / CIM large upcharge if available at all, A+/ Rim very few and far between with a US chick with lots of entitled attitude.

Even if you can find a US chick for sub $150/ hour, (who is not an opiate fiend or meth head) the intangibles such as safety / legality / shitting where you eat / performance still pushes the value prop to Asia or other 2nd /3rd world countries.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2754296]2000 thb is currently 53 euros which is more than a german FKK model of 50 EU or red light dist girl of 30 EU. Maybe you've just not traveled around the world enough, but 2000 for a thai spinner costs too much once you factor in the flight cost and travel inconvenience.[/QUOTE]You left off the 50 E FKK entry fee. The 50 E FKK model will nickel and dime you for every extra. BBBJ 50 E, CIM 50 E, DATY 50 E, A+ 50-100 E. The Red light district girl will do the same.

I guess if it's just looks / body and a person is satisfied / able to pop via normal 1-2 position 10-30 min session with a condom, then most EU redlights will do just fine. For multiple PSE sessions over a week or two time, it's very hard to beat Thailand's value.

For some people flying / traveling is a hassle or painful, I spend the first 10 yeas of my military career flying in the back of see-130 at a max of 275 knots. So sitting in a nice warm fully pressurized cabin, even in economy is not very hard.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2754144]Thanks for cleaning this up, 9's and 10's basically don't exist and if you actually see one, you never forget her face. So yes, guys throwing out that this and that place have 9's and 10's is hilarious. We all have different standards but let's be real, Pattaya at this moment probably has no 10's and a few 9's who are so entitled that they won't session anyways.[/QUOTE]9's and 10's are for Thai Elite.

We get the Girls who couldn't make the Junior Varsity Football Team. No offenses.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2754319]And 1000 thb, which was the price of one of my regulars and probably the girl I had the most sex with, is $26. She would usually come late, but we would always hang out after sex and she became a friend. Nice girl, I bought her a new phone before she left for Koh Samui. In total, I'd probably spend several. Multiples more on an American civilian girlfriend- that is if I could get one that is 23 years younger than me.

I've traveled extensively with mongering trips to Mexico, Curacao, Dominican Republic, Colombia, Brazil, Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. Never mongered in Europe but from the aforementioned list, Pattaya, Thailand is my #1 destination with Rio de Janeiro as #2. Pattaya is still a great deal- it's likely that Colombia is slightly more cost effective but tbh I've never had much fun mongering in Bogota or Medellin- too much hassle.

If you don't like Pattaya, that's fine- we won't need to be bothered with anymore posting from you then.

RS.[/QUOTE]If you can't talk to American women the same as thai women, then leave your false equivalent arguments out of it. Your view of "multiples more on an American civilian girlfriend" are completely your own fault, not a general rule. Plenty of American women are having sex for free, especially the ones who are of the same quality of a soi 6 girl or girls on TF. There are dozens of dating apps just like TF that have mid and low level American girls looking to get laid. You've made up in your own mind that this is too expensive for you, but it's not the reality at all.

This discussion is about the set costs of bars/clubs/and pay for play in different regions. Once people start factoring in their hai "girlfriends" then there is not way to quantify anything at all. I'm currently in pattay and have 2 "girlfriends" that I don't pay AT ALL for sex, not even $1000 baht. But I'm not in here trying to use that as justification of why pattaya is cheaper because one girl works soi 6 making guys like you pay then uses that money to go grocery shopping and cook breakfast for me the next day. or my other gf who is a restaurant waitress comes from work in the evenings with my dinner from her own pocket money because she enjoys netflix and chill and not being a sex worker.

I have fuck buddies/ friends with benefits back in Atlanta too that I don't pay at all. Girlfriends are NOT the discussion guy.

[QUOTE=Ehs183;2754333]Lived in ATL for 9 years. Of course my rule of thumb is discretion doesn't stop until I am at least 200 miles from the flagpole.

Not a logical fallacy: The math still works.

Flight from ORD / NYC / LAX - $750.

7 days Airbnb - $300.

Transport - $80.

Food = $100.

Xport and board = $1300.

Mongering - 2 x ST sessions a day (Probably 20 pops if up to it) 1700 be /$45 each (Combo of Soi Six / Freelancer w / drinks).

Total Mongering = $650.

Total all in $2000 for 14 sessions. Or $140/ session.

Thai sessions. BBBJ / CIM standard and many times with A+/ Rimming. You generally get an Issan girl who is most times submissive and has been raised to please men.

US session. BBBJ / CIM large upcharge if available at all, A+/ Rim very few and far between with a US chick with lots of entitled attitude.

Even if you can find a US chick for sub $150/ hour, (who is not an opiate fiend or meth head) the intangibles such as safety / legality / shitting where you eat / performance still pushes the value prop to Asia or other 2nd /3rd world countries.[/QUOTE]It's a logical fallacy because your individual points rewards situation does not apply to the average punter traveler's budget. It's not even worth discussing in general cost analysis of the conversation. The only thing I can agree with you on is the shitting where you eat part having a cost but only each individual can quantify that cost depending on their own personal situation.

[QUOTE=Ehs183;2754337]You left off the 50 E FKK entry fee. The 50 E FKK model will nickel and dime you for every extra. BBBJ 50 E, CIM 50 E, DATY 50 E, A+ 50-100 E. The Red light district girl will do the same.

I guess if it's just looks / body and a person is satisfied / able to pop via normal 1-2 position 10-30 min session with a condom, then most EU redlights will do just fine. For multiple PSE sessions over a week or two time, it's very hard to beat Thailand's value.

For some people flying / traveling is a hassle or painful, I spend the first 10 yeas of my military career flying in the back of see-130 at a max of 275 knots. So sitting in a nice warm fully pressurized cabin, even in economy is not very hard.[/QUOTE]The 50 E FKK entry fee includes free food, free beer and soft drinks, and free use of the rooms for boom boom, plus in many places sauna, steam room, and showers. How much does all of that cost in Pattaya? Add up all of those 150 baht changs that you don't have to pay for plus not having to pay for lady drinks and the 50 E FKK entry fee is still a bargain compared to equivalent costs in pattaya.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2754296]2000 thb is currently 53 euros which is more than a german FKK model of 50 EU or red light dist girl of 30 EU. Maybe you've just not traveled around the world enough, but 2000 for a thai spinner costs too much once you factor in the flight cost and travel inconvenience.[/QUOTE]I was there last month and I can tell you that the 50 Euros session is a thing of the past. It is now commonly 100 Euros for a 30 min session, plus the extras if one chooses to partake.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2754414] But I'm not in here trying to use that as justification of why pattaya is cheaper because one girl works soi 6 making guys like you pay then uses that money to go grocery shopping and cook breakfast for me the next day. or my other gf who is a restaurant waitress comes from work in the evenings with my dinner from her own pocket money because she enjoys netflix and chill and not being a sex worker.

I have fuck buddies/ friends with benefits back in Atlanta too that I don't pay at all. [/QUOTE]Is anyone else confused why a Mega-Chad Sex God would be complaining in a P4 P forum that Pattaya is too expensive and poor value while supposedly getting endless free sex in Pattaya from "non-sex workers" because- you know. Mega Chad Sex God? Personally I would be hyping the city up if that was my designation. To start with I wouldn't go all the way around the world to date supposed civilian waitresses in a city known for sex workers- but maybe I do things bass-ackwards or am not just looking for an argument. To each their own.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2754297]I'm going to assume you are from California hence your tagline, but in Atlanta where I live $400 per hour is porn star prices. Girls in Atlanta of the quality of soi 6 girls are going to cost you $80 - $150 per hour in ATL. A $400 girl in ATL is basically the same as going to one of those walking street russian gogos and getting the best girl in there. So again, factoring the plane ticket and inconvenience and prices are comparable. I can't speak for the west coast though.

As far as the safety concerns you are correct, but again, I will restate that there are other destinations closer to home in the caribean and latin America that offer the same safety and value as thailand with better looking women.[/QUOTE]ATL ass sounds a lot cheaper than Cali ass. Of course Cali is more expensive than everywhere. The nice thing for guys on the west coast is Tijuana is right there, that's what got me through the pandemic days as the Mexico land border never closed.

Camel Toe Unlocked per Facebook. Take a look.

Full of 9's and 10's, all nude all the time, Best bargin in Gentleman s Clubs.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2754419]Is anyone else confused why a Mega-Chad Sex God would be complaining in a P4 P forum that Pattaya is too expensive and poor value while supposedly getting endless free sex in Pattaya from "non-sex workers" because- you know. Mega Chad Sex God? Personally I would be hyping the city up if that was my designation. To start with I wouldn't go all the way around the world to date supposed civilian waitresses in a city known for sex workers- but maybe I do things bass-ackwards or am not just looking for an argument. To each their own.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with this. If you're a Chad / Tyrone getting sex for free in your western country, then why are you a monger abroad?

Let's be honest, most punters are punters because they can't sniff an ass back home, so the only alternative is punting. I'm not ashamed to admit that's why I punt.

But if I was a Chad back home I wouldn't be basing where I travel to on where I can punt.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2754419]Is anyone else confused why a Mega-Chad Sex God would be complaining in a P4 P forum that Pattaya is too expensive and poor value while supposedly getting endless free sex in Pattaya from "non-sex workers" because- you know. Mega Chad Sex God? Personally I would be hyping the city up if that was my designation. To start with I wouldn't go all the way around the world to date supposed civilian waitresses in a city known for sex workers- but maybe I do things bass-ackwards or am not just looking for an argument. To each their own.[/QUOTE]There's always more to these Posts.

[QUOTE=Ehs183;2754294]It's really interesting to me to read the lamenting going on.

OMG. It's called macroeconomics.

Thailand's real GDP has grown from $1900/ per capita to $7500/ per capita since 2001 or about 400%. People are wealthier there now and there is more opportunity for the young women inside and outside the sex industry. The avg western OECD country per capita GDP has grown by 70-100% in the same period.

This isn't hard stuff. It's easy to see that prices will go up, and / or quality will go down for services. The pushing of drinks is a reaction to this. Like you said, rent / overhead / talent prices have increased and to keep margin, the owners have to raise revenue to offset it. They can't go crazy with the barfines or the girls won't come, and raising patron drink prices keep mongers out.

I am lucky, my income has increased 9 X since 2001, so comparatively I still find it obscenely cheap.[/QUOTE]Your post missed the overall point I was making. With the price increases, other countries are eclipsing Thailand as the best destination to visit for our hobby at the moment. If you want to come to Thailand and drop more than you would in an FKK for an average experience with a farm girl from Issan, then be my guest. Thats the point. The quality is way down, the prices are up and the venues themselves are not as fun as they used to be because the entire dynamic has changed.

As I said I am not a budget traveller.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2754415]It's a logical fallacy because your individual points rewards situation does not apply to the average punter traveler's budget. It's not even worth discussing in general cost analysis of the conversation. The only thing I can agree with you on is the shitting where you eat part having a cost but only each individual can quantify that cost depending on their own personal situation.[/QUOTE]Then the average US based punter traveler is clueless, and has no idea how to extract value from credit cards, point travel, and elite status. This is not hard stuff. Apply for a credit card, spend 2-5 k on it, collect 60-100 miles or points. Use those points to travel for close to free to Asia / EU / wherever. In the last 30 months I have racked sign up bonuses amounting to 855 K of amex points, chase points, and airline miles. All for spending $$ on everyday expenses. (And still keeping a 827 FICO 8 score as of today).

A round trip economy class ticket from the US to South Asia will cost 55-70 K round trip in miles / points depending on the program. The EU will cost 45-60 K.

The reasonable average Joe making median wage can most likely get one-two overseas flights for punting trips for the taxes and fees portion by just strategically applying for credit cards and getting bonuses. They just need a FICO above 675 and be able to spend $1 K / month of normal spend on a credit card.

Pattaya has been in a death spiral since 1973. It's the natural condition for Pattaya. Meanwhile you can bang young ladies for $25, and then post that Pattaya is no fun any more.

I am still inviting ladies to my condo for 2000 baht for drinks, other activities up to them. It's interesting when a new lady comes, typically a friend of a previous visitor. Strangely, I am on a streak where ladies want ass fucking, which is rare in Thailand.

One of the benefits of having ladies come drink is they often get to the point where they tell the truth. One lady I know has a customer who pays her by the month, and she is supposed to visit him every day. In reality, she weasels out of her visits when possible, and bragged to me that she only fucks him three times a week. Somehow, she is going to Koh Lipe with me next week for three days, so her customer is paying her to go with me. And her Thai husband will take care of her kids. Nice.

I can't tell you how many bargirls are victims of scams by their customers. They are as stupid in that regard as newbie Farangs in Pattaya. The usual scam is a guy promising to sponsor a bargirl, but paying her tiny money when he is with her in Pattaya. Then he goes home and blocks her.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2754418]I was there last month and I can tell you that the 50 Euros session is a thing of the past. It is now commonly 100 Euros for a 30 min session, plus the extras if one chooses to partake.[/QUOTE]Perusing the FKK forums on ISG, the 30 min rates are indeed now 100 Euros instead of 50 Euros.

I haven't frequented an FKK since pre-Covid, but judging by the commentary online they've gone downhill since based on rates and quality of women. In addition, Germany this time of year is unappealling due to the cold weather and the inflated hotel prices due to the energy crisis and inflation. Germany shouldn't be a consideration for a monger right now given these things IMO.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2754419]Is anyone else confused why a Mega-Chad Sex God would be complaining in a P4 P forum that Pattaya is too expensive and poor value while supposedly getting endless free sex in Pattaya from "non-sex workers" because- you know. Mega Chad Sex God? Personally I would be hyping the city up if that was my designation. To start with I wouldn't go all the way around the world to date supposed civilian waitresses in a city known for sex workers- but maybe I do things bass-ackwards or am not just looking for an argument. To each their own.[/QUOTE]Stating facts is not complaining nor saying its too expensive. Obviously, I travel here for my own reasons outside of sex and bars. I'm just stating the facts of the USA traveler that Pattaya is poor value if you are only coming for sex and bars.

Even if we throw out the free pussy angle, even pay-for-play is comparable. Even quick dirty math from Atlanta you can see for the 2-week millionaire it doesn't add up. Let's just say a round trip flight is $1000 from ATL to BKK. Then between pussy and hotel/room accommodation about $100 per day even without alcohol and food included. That puts you at $1400 for 2 weeks /14 days. That's 2400 total flight/accomdation/girls for two weeks not including alcohol and food. So $200 per day in costs even before eating and drinking.

Stay in USA and sign up for any sugar baby website like seeking or hookup website like Bumble or Tinder that compares to ThaiFriendly. Most young college girls, many of them very hot, are on these sites and will gladly accept $200 per visit to their sugar daddy. You can literally get laid in the comfort of your own home for $200 a day without the hassle of flying to thailand and dealing with soi 6 level girls.

So like I said, Pattaya is good for the long-term tourist or retiree. But Pattaya makes no sense for the 2-week millionaire from the USA and that's not even considering the options of Latin America, Africa, and Eastern Bloc Europe.

Don't hate me, hate the economy. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2754418]I was there last month and I can tell you that the 50 Euros session is a thing of the past. It is now commonly 100 Euros for a 30 min session, plus the extras if one chooses to partake.[/QUOTE]OUCH! RIP Sharks and Sakura. Thanks for that update, I'll be sure to adjust my price calculations.

Guys,

I'm visiting thailand for first time and am mostly into MPs, will take Indies if clean, hygiene.

I'm planning to stay for 3 4 days in Thailand.

Kindly suggest on.

1. how many days should I spend in Bangkok and Pattaya where can get good looking, decent place to monger.

2. well known mps.

Any additional suggestions appreciated.

Pm is open.

I am detecting the beginning of High Season, by monitoring the eagerness of ladies to come to my condo. I am seeing some last minute cancelations, as ladies get better customers. And less messages from bargirls asking to come to the condo.

I am sure that this will be the busiest High Season ever. I will admit to the naysayers that the bars may be busier due to there being fewer bars than before Covid, but for those who can't find an open seat at PinUp, that doesn't really matter.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2754469]Stating facts is not complaining nor saying its too expensive. Obviously, I travel here for my own reasons outside of sex and bars. I'm just stating the facts of the USA traveler that Pattaya is poor value if you are only coming for sex and bars.

Even if we throw out the free pussy angle, even pay-for-play is comparable. Even quick dirty math from Atlanta you can see for the 2-week millionaire it doesn't add up. Let's just say a round trip flight is $1000 from ATL to BKK. Then between pussy and hotel/room accommodation about $100 per day even without alcohol and food included. That puts you at $1400 for 2 weeks /14 days. That's 2400 total flight/accomdation/girls for two weeks not including alcohol and food. So $200 per day in costs even before eating and drinking.

Stay in USA and sign up for any sugar baby website like seeking or hookup website like Bumble or Tinder that compares to ThaiFriendly. Most young college girls, many of them very hot, are on these sites and will gladly accept $200 per visit to their sugar daddy. You can literally get laid in the comfort of your own home for $200 a day without the hassle of flying to thailand and dealing with soi 6 level girls.

So like I said, Pattaya is good for the long-term tourist or retiree. But Pattaya makes no sense for the 2-week millionaire from the USA and that's not even considering the options of Latin America, Africa, and Eastern Bloc Europe.

Don't hate me, hate the economy. Don't hate the player, hate the game.[/QUOTE]You are doing a wonderful job of discouraging mongers from coming to Pattaya, so there are more ladies for you.

No matter, the vast majority of mongers who come to Pattaya don't read this forum, so they will come once High Season is upon us in earnest.

You may truly think that mongering in the US is somehow comparable to Pattaya, but I have an excess of cheap pussy at far lower prices than you quote, and I overpay. My problem is lack of time, and lack of ability to fuck all day, not lack of ladies.

Value or Not?

As for the current debate on the value of Pattaya compared to your home country or the parts of the world for mongering. One must not forget about the illusion factor or entertainment factor. Walking around, holding hands, with a 19 year old village girl, thinking you are in love and everything is rosy with world is priceless. Same like being old as dirt and going to a night club with loud Thai techno music you don't recognize, almost seizuring from the lasers, but you still are a Rockstar. Same just like the illusion of being a millionaire when you are only spending 2,000 USD in 2 weeks is also priceless. This is what Pattaya offers. These are how lifetime memories are made. Let us not forget, that regret because naivety is what makes it all memorable. The escape from everyday life has no price.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2753940]10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1's. We need Photos.

In Aug I walked up and down Soi 6 about 5 time,. Couldn't even spot a 5...[/QUOTE]Everybody knows that Soi 6, you need to walk up and down 6 times, not 5, to spot 9's and 10's. They will magically appear. Thats' why it's called Soi 6, not Soi 5.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2754450]...

I haven't frequented an FKK since pre-Covid, but judging by the commentary online they've gone downhill since based on rates and quality of women. In addition, Germany this time of year is unappealling due to the cold weather and the inflated hotel prices due to the energy crisis and inflation. Germany shouldn't be a consideration for a monger right now given these things IMO.[/QUOTE]Yes, the FKKs are not as good as they were pre-Covid, but nothing is. I was there for a 2-week mongering trip split between August and September. The weather was not an issue at all. Sometimes it is warm and sometimes it is not. One just need to dress up accordingly. Besides, when you get to an FKK, it does not matter how you are dressed. You don't need any clothes once you are inside. The same with the quality of the women, a bit down but not too bad. I had no problem finding decent companions, eventhough i am a sucker for eye candy.

Hotels were more expensive but not outrageous. It's the same phenomenon everywhere. Inflation and Covid have wreaked havoc with prices.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2754505]You may truly think that mongering in the US is somehow comparable to Pattaya, but I have an excess of cheap pussy at far lower prices than you quote, and I overpay.[/QUOTE]The problem with these analyses is that they negate that the person is going on a vacation and assume they just want to stick their dick into some pussy. No doubt that if you only want a hole to stick it in then it would be much cheaper, all expenses considered, to find one where you live. But if the person is going on vacation for a beach, party, tours, relax, see new shit, then they are not worried about staying home and fucking local chicks to save money.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2754516]...
Walking around, holding hands, with a 19 year old village girl, thinking you are in love and everything is rosy with world is priceless. Same like being old as dirt and going to a night club with loud Thai techno music you don't recognize, almost seizuring from the lasers, but you still are a Rockstar. Same just like the illusion of being a millionaire when you are only spending 2,000 USD in 2 weeks is also priceless. This is what Pattaya offers. These are how lifetime memories are made. Let us not forget, that regret because naivety is what makes it all memorable. The escape from everyday life has no price.

Everybody knows that Soi 6, you need to walk up and down 6 times, not 5, to spot 9's and 10's. They will magically appear. Thats' why it's called Soi 6, not Soi 5.[/QUOTE]I could not agree with you more. I have been going to Pattaya every year since 2003, and I have no intention of changing a thing. All because of the comments in your post above. In fact, I am trying to find a solution for the Covid years when I couldn't go. Obvious solution, go twice a year.

Not much BBFS opportunities in USA. As long as BBFS is available. I will go to Pattaya. Even Tijuana is 98% condom required. Plus I don't like American women anyway. Even if they are 10's. I'll sit my fat ass in Cattle class for the 22 hrs to snuggle with an 87 pounder Thai lady any day.

Yeah, I have to side with Pro Pattaya on this one. USA sex is dead and non existent. At least for me. I would be Happy to pay $200 per session but it is not available for me.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2754565]Not much BBFS opportunities in USA. As long as BBFS is available. I will go to Pattaya. Even Tijuana is 98% condom required. Plus I don't like American women anyway. Even if they are 10's. I'll sit my fat ass in Cattle class for the 22 hrs to snuggle with an 87 pounder Thai lady any day.

Yeah, I have to side with Pro Pattaya on this one. USA sex is dead and non existent. At least for me. I would be Happy to pay $200 per session but it is not available for me.[/QUOTE]You'll be happy, in Pattaya it's 100% BBFS. I just come back from Pattaya, and I confirmed I practiced only BBFS everyday during 2 weeks! Thai ladies don't use condoms anymore.

Well Gilolo,

I got about 75% BBFS. But there were some ladies who said No. So I said no too. But yeah, Pattaya is decent for my taste.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2754195]
PayFotIt's report was interesting, its great to see people still having a good time rather than everyone being so jaded by the place too. In saying that I went into High Rollers, and there is not a single 8 there, let alone 9's or 10's. If you can find a 9 or 10 in that place then Thailand is going to be a goldmine for you with all the cheap sex still on offer with single mothers whose bodies have been ravaged by baby damage, shitty diets and excessive alcohol consumption. By Thai standards of the past, the lineup at High Rollers would not even get a mention its beer bar level. Soi Pothole is a talent wasteland at the moment I am sorry to say.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you found my report interesting but I really cannot agree about High Rollers. I've spent years in FKKs and Spain and see my recent detailed report on clubs in Dubai. I'm picky. I flew back to Europe and see my report in Madrid where I went from club to club looking for a good looking girl, only to find one 7/8 on my whole evening. I spent more than it would have cost me to have 10 girls in High Rollers just in cabs looking for a stunner! So I'm not easily pleased and as I reported, Fom, in High Rollers. What a body. Pretty face (maybe 8) but the body 10, service at least a 9. There were others. I genuinely didn't feel the need to bar fine out of the agogos because of the girls in High Rollers. I don't say for a moment they were wall to wall good looking, but several were really pretty to me. And I repeat. I'm not so easily pleased. Spent an hour in between Pin Up / Palace / Fahrenheit then headed to Kink. And STILL ended up taking nobody until I got to High rollers. To each their own.

In response to the guy who said Soi 6 has changed a lot since pre covid, sorry. I really don't agree. Whilst bars have closed, its same old same old. Not sure you need 5 walk alongs Soi 6 let alone 6 (to pick, but I think what I meant by no change is that there are still a lot of options.

Meanwhile as for the debate about value, to my mind (and I monger from London / Spain / German FKKs (been to around 30 of them for 10 years)/ Dubai / Azerbaijan / Turkey / Dom Republic / Hong Kong / Singapore / Thailand / Australia), there is simply no better value on the planet than in Thailand. FKKs are a fabulous model. A sunny afternoon in FKK Oase (near Frankfurt) when there are 50 naked girls all walking in high heels and make up around the swimming pool offering to rub in oil (is just incredible. But prices in FKKs are really poor now. 100/30 minutes (euros). 200/ hour for most girls in most of the clubs (in Hessen but not NRW where there are still girls doing 40 euros /30 minutes in one club. Acapulco Gold). It's crazy. You pay between 40-75 entry depending on the club for entry, robe and food. Then there is the price of the rooms with the ladies. In Pattaya you can take 3 girls ST upstairs in Soi 6,7,8, Pothole, Lenkee, Buakhao, Tree Town, LK, Jomtien, wherever, and same in BKK, for less than one hour in an FKK. Thailand is fabulous value for money.

[QUOTE=Ehs183;2754435]Then the average US based punter traveler is clueless, and has no idea how to extract value from credit cards, point travel, and elite status. This is not hard stuff. Apply for a credit card, spend 2-5 k on it, collect 60-100 miles or points. Use those points to travel for close to free to Asia / EU / wherever. In the last 30 months I have racked sign up bonuses amounting to 855 K of amex points, chase points, and airline miles. All for spending $$ on everyday expenses. (And still keeping a 827 FICO 8 score as of today).

A round trip economy class ticket from the US to South Asia will cost 55-70 K round trip in miles / points depending on the program. The EU will cost 45-60 K.

The reasonable average Joe making median wage can most likely get one-two overseas flights for punting trips for the taxes and fees portion by just strategically applying for credit cards and getting bonuses. They just need a FICO above 675 and be able to spend $1 K / month of normal spend on a credit card.[/QUOTE]I'm your average joe office drone and have been playing the credit card points game for a very long time. As a result, I've never paid for a long haul flight in my life. Even here, the flights to Samui are notoriously expensive but I used points to make the roundtrip. In sum, playing the credit card points game is easy, valuable and actually kind of fun. I even stayed at a really nice Hilton in BKK for a week early in this trip of mine for a week.

Unless your really rich and can afford to spend whatever you want in life, you should be playing the credit card points game.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2754635]Thailand is fabulous value for money.[/QUOTE]But the issue, at least for me, is that you have to be into Asian women, and I'm really not that much. Making it not worth it to me to fly all the way to Thailand (or anywhere else in Asia) to monger. One time in Pattaya I went 72 hours without fucking because I hadn't seen anybody I wanted. That was Pattaya. Ground zero for fucking in Thailand! So although I certainly acknowledge your value argument, it doesn't work for me because I'm just not attracted to most Asian women. From here on out I'll be sticking exclusively to the Americas and Europe for mongering (the latinas and the white girls float my boat). I must say though that one of the hottest girls I have ever been with in my entire life was found in Phuket. She was either Amerasian or Eurasian and looked like a Thai Jennifer Anniston (but with darker hair). Wow what a knockout! Mamasan knew she had a rare "white tiger" on her hands and charged accordingly. And I gladly paid what was asked for takeout (twice).

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2754426]I have to agree with this. If you're a Chad / Tyrone getting sex for free in your western country, then why are you a monger abroad?

Let's be honest, most punters are punters because they can't sniff an ass back home, so the only alternative is punting. I'm not ashamed to admit that's why I punt.

But if I was a Chad back home I wouldn't be basing where I travel to on where I can punt.[/QUOTE]I guess I am one of the jaded ones. Under 55 and a 2 X widower. 1st wife a fellow military member KIA, 2nd one cancer before 50. No children, a few female friends, just have decided that I am going to spend my last active 15-20 years making bank and enjoying life traveling, 88 different countries so far. Doing a little punting to keep sane and happy. Maybe when I am in my late 60's I will settle down again and make sure I die first this time around.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2754635]I'm glad you found my report interesting but I really cannot agree about High Rollers. I've spent years in FKKs and Spain and see my recent detailed report on clubs in Dubai. I'm picky. I flew back to Europe and see my report in Madrid where I went from club to club looking for a good looking girl, only to find one 7/8 on my whole evening. I spent more than it would have cost me to have 10 girls in High Rollers just in cabs looking for a stunner! So I'm not easily pleased and as I reported, Fom, in High Rollers. What a body. Pretty face (maybe 8) but the body 10, service at least a 9. There were others. I genuinely didn't feel the need to bar fine out of the agogos because of the girls in High Rollers. I don't say for a moment they were wall to wall good looking, but several were really pretty to me. And I repeat. I'm not so easily pleased. Spent an hour in between Pin Up / Palace / Fahrenheit then headed to Kink. And STILL ended up taking nobody until I got to High rollers. To each their own.

In response to the guy who said Soi 6 has changed a lot since pre covid, sorry. I really don't agree. Whilst bars have closed, its same old same old. Not sure you need 5 walk alongs Soi 6 let alone 6 (to pick, but I think what I meant by no change is that there are still a lot of options..[/QUOTE]Bravo, well said. Yes, Thailand isn't the goldmine for gorgeous cheap women (9-10's) any more. It's too wealthy a country now. But in reality I would rather have the naughty, perhaps a little MILFy 6-7 with a little baby damage who can suck a golfball through garden hose. There is very few places in the world that you can get that in the world while speaking primarily speaking English and feeling reasonably safe.

The key in Pattaya / BKK is that if you pick the wrong chick who turns out to be a bit of starfish / poor performer, it only costs you less than $50. Rather then the Russian roulette of EU escorts or even in the FKK's where a poor choice will cost you $200.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2754657]I'm your average joe office drone and have been playing the credit card points game for a very long time. As a result, I've never paid for a long haul flight in my life. Even here, the flights to Samui are notoriously expensive but I used points to make the roundtrip. In sum, playing the credit card points game is easy, valuable and actually kind of fun. I even stayed at a really nice Hilton in BKK for a week early in this trip of mine for a week.

Unless your really rich and can afford to spend whatever you want in life, you should be playing the credit card points game.[/QUOTE]You have the absolute right idea brother.

I have trip booked in March ORD-AUH-BKK Etihad business, with a return BKK-DEL-JFK Thai / Air India first class that cost me only 180 K amex points + $300 via the Air Canada program.

I extracted $11 K of of net value in 2021 and have already extracted $13 K of net value ISO far in 2022 from the credit card game. I have top tier Hilton, Marriott, and IHG status from my CC's. Which outside of the US actually gets you great perks / benefits.

I probably could spend what I wanted out of my pocket, but why. The whole game is value / arbitrage, whether pussy or travel.

My goal in life is to stick it to the Man, and sticking it to Bank / Credit Card issuers is the sweetest dish that could be served.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2754541]The problem with these analyses is that they negate that the person is going on a vacation and assume they just want to stick their dick into some pussy. No doubt that if you only want a hole to stick it in then it would be much cheaper, all expenses considered, to find one where you live. But if the person is going on vacation for a beach, party, tours, relax, see new shit, then they are not worried about staying home and fucking local chicks to save money.[/QUOTE]Actually, the analyses do include all of that. Pattaya is shit for beaches, partying, and tours. All of that can be had in much nicer places in Latin America, the Caribbean, Africa, hell even just going to Miami or Vegas.

But I digress, it's obvious that nostalgia and preference for tiny Asian women will cause many to simply ignore the realities in other places. And the reality is that the USA has thrown out much of the stigma of sex work and even some states like New York have literally said they will no longer prosecute prostitution. Combine with inflation and economic problems of women in the USA, the price of sex and entertainment in the USA, as well as other places in the world, has dropped significantly (and still dropping) thus surpassing Thailand in value once the travel expenses are factored in. If you venture over to some of the African forums like Kenya or Ecuador forums you will see the costs of girls are even half of the cost of Pattaya and there are plenty of bbfscim and sexual fantasy options in Africa and latin america.

And I know some of these guys refuse to acknowledge that I qualified my statements with the cost of plane tickets and the length of the visit, so it is whatever.

My whole statement was actually just in response to the one post where the guy was insinuating that the USA 2-week millionaires might be the ones who will save Pattaya because of the strength of the dollar. And I was just pointing out that there is a fat chance that Americans will be the ones pumping sums of money into Pattaya for all of the reasons I mentioned.

[QUOTE=TheGood;2754501]Guys,

I'm visiting thailand for first time and am mostly into MPs, will take Indies if clean, hygiene.

I'm planning to stay for 3 4 days in Thailand.

Kindly suggest on.

1. how many days should I spend in Bangkok and Pattaya where can get good looking, decent place to monger.

2. well known mps.

Any additional suggestions appreciated.

Pm is open.[/QUOTE]For a trip that short, and given your preference for parlours you are better off spending all 4 days in Bangkok. It just has more to chose from when it comes to MP's, and the average quality of the women in Bangkok MP's is well and above the average quality in Pattaya.

Pattaya is a different scene. Here its gogos, gentlemen's clubs, girly bars, beer bars and freelancers in clubs. There are MP's, but they are on average a notch below what Bangkok tends to offer for a newbie on a short trip.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2754693]Actually, the analyses do include all of that. Pattaya is shit for beaches, partying, and tours. All of that can be had in much nicer places in Latin America, the Caribbean, Africa, hell even just going to Miami or Vegas.

But I digress, it's obvious that nostalgia and preference for tiny Asian women will cause many to simply ignore the realities in other places. And the reality is that the USA has thrown out much of the stigma of sex work and even some states like New York have literally said they will no longer prosecute prostitution. Combine with inflation and economic problems of women in the USA, the price of sex and entertainment in the USA, as well as other places in the world, has dropped significantly (and still dropping) thus surpassing Thailand in value once the travel expenses are factored in. If you venture over to some of the African forums like Kenya or Ecuador forums you will see the costs of girls are even half of the cost of Pattaya and there are plenty of bbfscim and sexual fantasy options in Africa and latin america.

And I know some of these guys refuse to acknowledge that I qualified my statements with the cost of plane tickets and the length of the visit, so it is whatever.

My whole statement was actually just in response to the one post where the guy was insinuating that the USA 2-week millionaires might be the ones who will save Pattaya because of the strength of the dollar. And I was just pointing out that there is a fat chance that Americans will be the ones pumping sums of money into Pattaya for all of the reasons I mentioned.[/QUOTE]Americans and Thailand.

I could be wrong but we are not a big tourist demographic for Thailand in General, just too Darn far.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2754693]And the reality is that the USA has thrown out much of the stigma of sex work and even some states like New York have literally said they will no longer prosecute prostitution.[/QUOTE]Correct. They said they will not prosecute prostitution, but will still prosecute solicitation. In other words, the hookers will no longer go to jail, but the guys trying to pick them up still do!

[QUOTE=Vector313;2754693]Actually, the analyses do include all of that. Pattaya is shit for beaches, partying, and tours. All of that can be had in much nicer places in Latin America, the Caribbean, Africa, hell even just going to Miami or Vegas.

But I digress, it's obvious that nostalgia and preference for tiny Asian women will cause many to simply ignore the realities in other places. And the reality is that the USA has thrown out much of the stigma of sex work and even some states like New York have literally said they will no longer prosecute prostitution. Combine with inflation and economic problems of women in the USA, the price of sex and entertainment in the USA, as well as other places in the world, has dropped significantly (and still dropping) thus surpassing Thailand in value once the travel expenses are factored in. If you venture over to some of the African forums like Kenya or Ecuador forums you will see the costs of girls are even half of the cost of Pattaya and there are plenty of bbfscim and sexual fantasy options in Africa and latin america.

And I know some of these guys refuse to acknowledge that I qualified my statements with the cost of plane tickets and the length of the visit, so it is whatever.

My whole statement was actually just in response to the one post where the guy was insinuating that the USA 2-week millionaires might be the ones who will save Pattaya because of the strength of the dollar. And I was just pointing out that there is a fat chance that Americans will be the ones pumping sums of money into Pattaya for all of the reasons I mentioned.[/QUOTE]I suspect many mongers keep coming to Thailand instead of the high price-quality ratio of girls in Thailand because said mongers are hard-line barebackers. To them looks and figure little matter as long as no condom is ok. Beer bar MILFS with mommy bodies are ideal for barebacking as they're close enough to menopause not to have to worry any more about pregnancy.

Barebacking is available in Africa too but not with a top girl unless she becomes your regular (difficult within a short holiday).

Getting top girls of the kind I like in Thailand (where I live) is so difficult I've even considered having an African girl over to Thailand on some kind of visa. It is probably a risky thing to do on several counts though.

I didn't know the US had taken a turn for the better. I'd always equated prostitution in the US with sting operations, denunciations, blackmail etc.

[QUOTE=XXL;2754718]I suspect many mongers keep coming to Thailand instead of the high price-quality ratio of girls in Thailand because said mongers are hard-line barebackers. [/QUOTE]It's one big reason for sure- but my girls are usually attractive. I prefer slim spinners 18-26 year old- need to at least have a body I like (85-110 lbs) and cute face. As other mongers have pointed out- one also needs a preference for Asian girls. Once you get used to BBFS and CIP it's really tough to settle for anything else. Another factor is the scenic beauty of the area- from stunning karst formations in the South, to beautiful temples and beaches- you can produce photos for your insta and cover your mongering tracks so friends and family don't get suspicious. I never just stay in Pattaya or even just in Thailand.

Vector313 is really drilling down on the flight cost and time zone displacement. And yes, for someone who was happy with all covered service and coming from the USA for 2 weeks- there would be no reason not to hop on a $300 roundtrip plane to Medellin. But for someone like myself with my preferences stated above who has 2-3 months to travel- why would I deny myself the things I like just to save $1000, which honestly is not really a lot of money.

The other component of the argument- that factoring in overhead, cost per fuck starts to approach other more expensive locations (Dubai, USA, Germany) also for me doesn't make sense. I'd rather discover a girl is a waste of money by spending 1500 baht ($40) than $150 in Dubai / Germany or $500 in the USA. And again on a longer trip than 2 weeks this math doesn't work anyway.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2754858]

Vector313 is really drilling down on the flight cost and time zone displacement. And yes, for someone who was happy with all covered service and coming from the USA for 2 weeks- there would be no reason not to hop on a $300 roundtrip plane to Medellin. But for someone like myself with my preferences stated above who has 2-3 months to travel- why would I deny myself the things I like just to save $1000, which honestly is not really a lot of money.

[/QUOTE]A big difference between the attraction for two week millionaires and longer stays is the Availability of repeats at discount rates. For two weeks, a guy might be churning through a different girl every session. However, the semi resident will have access to repeats and off the clock hookups often at fractions of rack pricing. A gogo girl might be 10 k all up out of the club but she will be far less than that as a lunchtime repeat on the way to work.

For the guys that want to talk economics, please create a separate thread.

Let's keep this thread focus on mongering reports.

Thailand vs the World as a Sex Destination.

Thailand has 100,000's of Miss Jira. Hahaha. End of debate.

Sorry guys I supported her by sending her $6. 00 on her super chat.

I know some of you Hate that.

Check out her you tube Livestream last night, very entertaining.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2754862]A big difference between the attraction for two week millionaires and longer stays is the Availability of repeats at discount rates. For two weeks, a guy might be churning through a different girl every session. However, the semi resident will have access to repeats and off the clock hookups often at fractions of rack pricing. A gogo girl might be 10 k all up out of the club but she will be far less than that as a lunchtime repeat on the way to work.[/QUOTE]Correct.

Go-go girls are so cheap in the daytime that I often have two at a time come to my condo. They don't seem to mind being fucked in front of the other girl, the only limitation is tgat they change out the condom when I change girls.

Oke.

I monger in Netherlands / Germany and I can do Thailand.

Lets stop comparing things because for Thailand its a HOLIDAY experience. For those Germany FKK clubs its a DAY entertainment. Apples / Apples please!

For ST lovers its easier these days to go to a RTC club in Germany. 30 e a pop is more cheap than the Thailand rates. However you also fucking more ugly chicks in those RTCs than you would do in Thailand. But for the quick fuck? Cheaper. However less choices in girls for sure and bigger change of getting an STD.

I prefer LT myself and than those prices in Thailand (Pattaya) can not compete. Around 100 e for a night? Thats a 30 min session in the Netherlands or not even enough to cover the 1st fuck in a better FKK. Last times I did LT twice with a dancer from a gogobar in Pattaya. 2 K LT + barfine. Nothing can compete with that anywhere in the world. Especially when you take into account ALL the time you spend with someone + unlmiited sex experience.

[QUOTE=Ehs183;2754435]
The reasonable average Joe making median wage can most likely get one-two overseas flights for punting trips for the taxes and fees portion by just strategically applying for credit cards and getting bonuses. They just need a FICO above 675 and be able to spend $1 K / month of normal spend on a credit card.[/QUOTE]I'm a reasonable average Joe making median wage, but I do not spend $1 K / month (or the equivalent in euro's, which is about the same at the moment). Not by far.
Unless I would pay the rent for my apartment, insurances, energy and so on, by credit card. But that doesn't make any sense.

I should mention that I don't have a car. But even if I did, I would not spend $1 K / month on average.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2754516]
Everybody knows that Soi 6, you need to walk up and down 6 times, not 5, to spot 9's and 10's. They will magically appear. Thats' why it's called Soi 6, not Soi 5.[/QUOTE]And the 9 or 10 that you spot that sixth time, is a ladyboy.

Been on a bit of a massage binge lately. I mean, 800 baht for a nice, professional massage and HJ release is quite the deal, especially at the current exchange rate ($21); I can get about 8 to 10 massage / HJ here compared to one back home. I mainly stick to the ones on Buakho. The masseuse at the one I went to today was trying to upsell the HJ to 1,000 baht total LOL; I told her firmly no, a massage with HJ is 800 total everywhere. And she stands her ground (Thai saving face). So she shuts up and continues the massage and I close my eyes knowing that within a minute she'll acquiesce and oblige to the 800 baht normal price after one last saving face attempt at 1,000. And of course that's exactly what happened. No reason to overpay gents, hold your ground. If she had not agreed to 800, I would have gotten a nice oil massage for 300 baht from her and gone to the massage shop next door and gotten 800 massage / HJ price, so it's a win win either way and would be a loss for the girl to not take the 800 baht price and mamasan would not be happy. Then she gave me her Line and said she'll come to my loom for boom boom after work for 2,000 baht LOL. I never pay more than 1,500 for ST and this particular girl isn't even worth 1,500. The inflated egos some of these chicks have.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2754658]But the issue, at least for me, is that you have to be into Asian women, and I'm really not that much. Making it not worth it to me to fly all the way to Thailand (or anywhere else in Asia) to monger. One time in Pattaya I went 72 hours without fucking because I hadn't seen anybody I wanted. That was Pattaya. Ground zero for fucking in Thailand! So although I certainly acknowledge your value argument, it doesn't work for me because I'm just not attracted to most Asian women. From here on out I'll be sticking exclusively to the Americas and Europe for mongering (the latinas and the white girls float my boat). I must say though that one of the hottest girls I have ever been with in my entire life was found in Phuket. She was either Amerasian or Eurasian and looked like a Thai Jennifer Anniston (but with darker hair). Wow what a knockout! Mamasan knew she had a rare "white tiger" on her hands and charged accordingly. And I gladly paid what was asked for takeout (twice).[/QUOTE]To each their own of course and if Asian girls are not your type its no wonder you went 72 hours (or longer) without fucking one! They ware not actually my preference either. Oddly, Romanians are my favourites! But (a) I love the Asian attitude to service. Most of the girls from my recent trip really did want to ensure I was well satisfied. (b) its easy to find slim girls with good bodies. So the looks issue is then facial and whilst there are not a lot who are wow factor, I don't find it difficult to seek out some. Finally (c) there are so many to choose from! When I add price factor to all that for me, its a great hunting ground.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2755195]To each their own of course and if Asian girls are not your type its no wonder you went 72 hours (or longer) without fucking one! They ware not actually my preference either. Oddly, Romanians are my favourites! But (a) I love the Asian attitude to service. Most of the girls from my recent trip really did want to ensure I was well satisfied. (b) its easy to find slim girls with good bodies. So the looks issue is then facial and whilst there are not a lot who are wow factor, I don't find it difficult to seek out some. Finally (c) there are so many to choose from! When I add price factor to all that for me, its a great hunting ground.[/QUOTE]I'm opposite of you. Hahaha.

For me Face comes First,. No doesn't have to be Gorgeous, just one I like.

Question. Easier to find good face or body?

I think easier to find good body than good face.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2755208]I'm opposite of you. Hahaha.

For me Face comes First,. No doesn't have to be Gorgeous, just one I like.

Question. Easier to find good face or body?

I think easier to find good body than good face.[/QUOTE]If I can't get past that face then I for sure won't be getting to them hind parts! LOLOLOLOL!

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2754964]Oke.

I monger in Netherlands / Germany and I can do Thailand.

Lets stop comparing things because for Thailand its a HOLIDAY experience. For those Germany FKK clubs its a DAY entertainment. Apples / Apples please!

For ST lovers its easier these days to go to a RTC club in Germany. 30 e a pop is more cheap than the Thailand rates. However you also fucking more ugly chicks in those RTCs than you would do in Thailand. But for the quick fuck? Cheaper. However less choices in girls for sure and bigger change of getting an STD.

I prefer LT myself and than those prices in Thailand (Pattaya) can not compete. Around 100 e for a night? Thats a 30 min session in the Netherlands or not even enough to cover the 1st fuck in a better FKK. Last times I did LT twice with a dancer from a gogobar in Pattaya. 2 K LT + barfine. Nothing can compete with that anywhere in the world. Especially when you take into account ALL the time you spend with someone + unlmiited sex experience.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your view but slow down cowboy, 100 eu gets you all night in Colombia and 2 days in different African countries. 😉.

As far as the "holiday" argument I call BS on that. Aside from other countries offering much better vacation scenery and activities than Pattaya, Even people who come to thailand for the vacation experience do not come to pattaya for that. They go to phuket, samui, lipe kr basically anywhere else in pattaya. And in those cities sex is more expensive and less options. It's not uncommon for a punter to come to pattaya and recruit a cheap girlfriend to travel to other thailand destinations to fill the sex part, but that completely changes and increases all of the other financial calculations.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2754994]I'm a reasonable average Joe making median wage, but I do not spend $1 K / month (or the equivalent in euro's, which is about the same at the moment). Not by far.
Unless I would pay the rent for my apartment, insurances, energy and so on, by credit card. But that doesn't make any sense.

I should mention that I don't have a car. But even if I did, I would not spend $1 K / month on average.[/QUOTE]Insurance and utilities are some of the easiest bills to pay via CC. Groceries and Dining are slam dunks. All national groc chains pretty much take credits cards with no upcharge in the US. If you get a Bilt credit card you can actually charge your rent to it (up to $50 K a year) with no surcharge / fees and get points for travel.

The median US individual income is $46 K / year, household is $70+K. (That counts retirees / students in that mix) Median weekly earnings per worker for Q3 was was $1070/ week. I would venture to guess that the median single person in the US spends $1000/ month on expenses that easily can be charged to a CC.

Bravo to you if you don't spend $1 K a month outside of rent.

I am able to pay my property taxes and quarterly income taxes via CC for a nominal (approx 1%) fee, so meeting minimum spend requirements on even large amounts is generally not an issue. Even with the fee's, the math easily works on sign up bonuses.

Current Amex Plat Business offer - 160 K pts for $16 K of spend in 3 months (Yep that's about the steepest min spend requirement out there) 171 K (160+11 for spend) amex pts is worth at very least $2,650 in redeeming for travel. The $695 cost of the card is offset by airline credits ($200), Dell credits ($400), Uber credits ($200) , and mobile phone bill credits ($120) + there are other benefits (free access to airline lounges, travel protections) Spending the $16 K purely on surcharged spend will cost me $190. A net $2475 worth of travel points. Enough points to get a person round trip to South Asia 2 X in economy, or 1 X in business.

[QUOTE=Ehs183;2755265]Insurance and utilities are some of the easiest bills to pay via CC. Groceries and Dining are slam dunks. All national groc chains pretty much take credits cards with no upcharge in the US. If you get a Bilt credit card you can actually charge your rent to it (up to $50 K a year) with no surcharge / fees and get points for travel.

The median US individual income is $46 K / year, household is $70+K. (That counts retirees / students in that mix) Median weekly earnings per worker for Q3 was was $1070/ week. I would venture to guess that the median single person in the US spends $1000/ month on expenses that easily can be charged to a CC.

Bravo to you if you don't spend $1 K a month outside of rent.

I am able to pay my property taxes and quarterly income taxes via CC for a nominal (approx 1%) fee, so meeting minimum spend requirements on even large amounts is generally not an issue. Even with the fee's, the math easily works on sign up bonuses..[/QUOTE]When you give the Platinum Amex as an example it just blows your Premise out of the water.

Not ez unless you a Saudi Prince type spender to make coin via credit card game.

Avg Schmuck have to do avg Schmuck things. Work, save, invest, for 39 years or more. Actually works.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2755208]I'm opposite of you. Hahaha.

For me Face comes First,. No doesn't have to be Gorgeous, just one I like.

Question. Easier to find good face or body?

I think easier to find good body than good face.[/QUOTE]Good bods are 8/10 but faces are 2/10. Combo is harder but still enough to have a few options every night in pattaya.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2755272]When you give the Platinum Amex as an example it just blows your Premise out of the water.

Not ez unless you a Saudi Prince type spender to make coin via credit card game.

Avg Schmuck have to do avg Schmuck things. Work, save, invest, for 39 years or more. Actually works.[/QUOTE]I used that as an example of the highest end:

Very achievable bonus mile offers right now on cards:

Citi AA card - 65 K miles for 4 K spend in 4 months.

Barclay AA Aviator Red - 60 K miles after spending $1.

Barclay Business AA card - 80 K miles for 2 K spend in 3 months.

BOA Air France card - 70 K miles for 2 k spend in 3 months.

Amex Green Card - 50 K pts after 2 k spend in 6 months.

The first 3 cards over a 6-12 month period could easily net someone 210 K+ AA miles, enough for 3 RT economy class tickets to South Asia.

Consider myself the avg Joe most of my life. 22 years in the military, 12 years enlisted / 10 years commissioned. Only started making decent bank in the last 7-8 years after leaving the service.

[QUOTE=Ehs183;2755524]I used that as an example of the highest end:

Very achievable bonus mile offers right now on cards:

Citi AA card - 65 K miles for 4 K spend in 4 months.

Barclay AA Aviator Red - 60 K miles after spending $1.

Barclay Business AA card - 80 K miles for 2 K spend in 3 months.

BOA Air France card - 70 K miles for 2 k spend in 3 months.

Amex Green Card - 50 K pts after 2 k spend in 6 months.

The first 3 cards over a 6-12 month period could easily net someone 210 K+ AA miles, enough for 3 RT economy class tickets to South Asia.

Consider myself the avg Joe most of my life. 22 years in the military, 12 years enlisted / 10 years commissioned. Only started making decent bank in the last 7-8 years after leaving the service.[/QUOTE]Benefits can be had I agree. BUT.

Studies have shown the Consumer comes out on the Short end majority of the time.

I got lots of points about 5 round trips to Bangkok. The cheapest flights always are bad Routings.

I prefer to just pay $1,000 regular price.

[QUOTE=Ehs183;2755524]I used that as an example of the highest end:

Very achievable bonus mile offers right now on cards:

Citi AA card - 65 K miles for 4 K spend in 4 months.

Barclay AA Aviator Red - 60 K miles after spending $1.

Barclay Business AA card - 80 K miles for 2 K spend in 3 months.

BOA Air France card - 70 K miles for 2 k spend in 3 months.

Amex Green Card - 50 K pts after 2 k spend in 6 months.

The first 3 cards over a 6-12 month period could easily net someone 210 K+ AA miles, enough for 3 RT economy class tickets to South Asia.

Consider myself the avg Joe most of my life. 22 years in the military, 12 years enlisted / 10 years commissioned. Only started making decent bank in the last 7-8 years after leaving the service.[/QUOTE]As an American, my primary credit cards for earning points are Chase cards, specifically United Airlines Chase cards. One of United Airlines partners is Thai Airways so you can book Thai Airways flights directly on United's website with your points. The pro tip with United cards is you can apply and get approved for both personal and business (an actual business isn't needed just make one up) cards. Thus, you can get a new United card yearly between the two.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2755272]When you give the Platinum Amex as an example it just blows your Premise out of the water.

Not ez unless you a Saudi Prince type spender to make coin via credit card game.

Avg Schmuck have to do avg Schmuck things. Work, save, invest, for 39 years or more. Actually works.[/QUOTE]LOL. I use my Amex Platinum on a daily basis for every purchase possible. If someone does not accept Amex then I use my X1. I usually rack up $3500 to $4000 per month on it. Right now I have 80,000 points. I always use mine to get $100 gift cards for Walmart which I use for grocery shopping at 14,000 points each. I get my money's worth, but I really would have to be a Saudi Prince type spender to have enough points to pay for vacations.

High Season is almost upon us.

It is getting harder for ladies to show up in my condo in the early afternoon, since they go with customers until almost dawn, and then sleep past noon. Or they are too busy to even schedule time with me.

When I go into a bar where ladies have come to the condo to drink, the second and third tier ladies ask to come to the condo, after hearing about it. I don't have time to see top tier ladies, let alone 2nd tier, unless they have something special.

Last night, I had the misfortune of a lady drinking too much, she did 10 shots quickly, got naked and passed out. Oops.

I just got back from a short trip to Vietnam yesterday, and today I go to Koh Lipe with her twin sister. Next month, I will take both to South Africa. Two bedrooms, though.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2755594]High Season is almost upon us.

It is getting harder for ladies to show up in my condo in the early afternoon, since they go with customers until almost dawn, and then sleep past noon. Or they are too busy to even schedule time with me.

When I go into a bar where ladies have come to the condo to drink, the second and third tier ladies ask to come to the condo, after hearing about it. I don't have time to see top tier ladies, let alone 2nd tier, unless they have something special.

Last night, I had the misfortune of a lady drinking too much, she did 10 shots quickly, got naked and passed out. Oops.

I just got back from a short trip to Vietnam yesterday, and today I go to Koh Lipe with her twin sister. Next month, I will take both to South Africa. Two bedrooms, though.[/QUOTE]Big wig Thai tourist official s are dis- at pointed in tourism number, in people and dollars spent.

Red Planet Pattaya good proxy of Pattaya demand. God I e never seen rates so low.

Your Data points for expecting a High Season, beside mature weathered Bargirls?

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2755672]Big wig Thai tourist official s are dis- at pointed in tourism number, in people and dollars spent.

Red Planet Pattaya good proxy of Pattaya demand. God I e never seen rates so low.

Your Data points for expecting a High Season, beside mature weathered Bargirls?[/QUOTE]Pent up demand, this is the first High Season since before Covid.

The dollar is at 38 to the baht, which means that Short Time costs $25.

I have many ladies telling me that their customers are making reservations for the holiday season.

The authorities seem to recognize that Pattaya will be jammed, so they are tearing up Second Road to make sure that traffic is gridlocked.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2755819]Pent up demand, this is the first High Season since before Covid.

The dollar is at 38 to the baht, which means that Short Time costs $25.

I have many ladies telling me that their customers are making reservations for the holiday season.

The authorities seem to recognize that Pattaya will be jammed, so they are tearing up Second Road to make sure that traffic is gridlocked.[/QUOTE]Perhaps they'll be an increase in monger tourists this high season, but not tourists as a whole. All the Thais I talk to do not expect a good high season in terms of the number of tourists. Even the Bolt drivers say their customers in Pattaya are mostly Thais and my hotel I stay at is mostly empty during the week and full of Thais on the weekend. I just don't see tourist numbers all of a sudden start to rise in one week. High season is high season so numbers will go up, but me thinks not to the extent the TAT think. The global recession is a real thing and is going to get worse.

Decided check out the row of GCs here. Poked my head in to all them and yikes, these were some pretty rough looking gals. Do not plan to head back there anytime soon. Since I made the trip there I sessioned. The girl seemed to have a nice body with clothes on, once upstairs and in the shower I saw what I'd be working with. Fake boobs which I am not a fan of and they were the lopsided kind that feel gross to touch (she told me she's had three boob jobs). She turns around and looks like she's had ass implants which I find completely off putting, the way the ass looks and feels is just a turn off. I also noticed in the light she has that botox, lip filler face thing going on. Aside from the looks issue she gave good service and I ended up having a decent session, she's less than five feet and slim, but an obvious no repeat.

I needed to redeem myself so headed to Soi 6. Walking down I found a decent looking one, slim body, no apparent baby damage with an average face. Start talking to her on the curb and she quotes 1,500 plus 400 for the room. Of course I countered with 1,000 and she says "go go, bye bye" in a very rude way (the ego of average looking broads). Turns out she did me a favor, the bar right next to this one is a chick wearing some black netted underwear with a plump little backside on the curb and I tap her on the shoulder and she turns and to my surprise is cute, smiley and sanuk. Within half a minute 1,000 baht is agreed upon and we are upstairs. Had a great session. She was legit one of the five most attractive chicks I observed on the Soi and yes it was 1,000 plus 400 for the room and great customer service. Funny thing is we were talking after and she was saying how much she hates sex LOL. I was like You wouldn't know it given your service and she said "I do for money, me need to send to family in Isaan."

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2755562]As an American, my primary credit cards for earning points are Chase cards, specifically United Airlines Chase cards. One of United Airlines partners is Thai Airways so you can book Thai Airways flights directly on United's website with your points. The pro tip with United cards is you can apply and get approved for both personal and business (an actual business isn't needed just make one up) cards. Thus, you can get a new United card yearly between the two.[/QUOTE]The issue I have this Chase is that I am always running up against their 5/24 rule. The Sapphire / Rewards cards are actually better value than the United cards. They earn 3 x /2 x on travel and dining and the points transfer to United (And Hyatt) 1:1. Another bonus is that when you have a Chase visa card you can get 10% off of BA flights via an easy hack.

For Star Alliance, I used the Air Canada program as my go to. They take point transfers from all the major point currencies, allow to you book flights 360 days out, and have reasonable surcharges. I can accumulate a whole lot more Amex points (Do to fact it is easy to get 55 K points a year in referral bonuses and you can have more cards) than chase points in a year. The best all around card for amex is the Amex Gold card. 4 X points on dining and groceries. I end getting a net 3 X /4 X on almost all spend via gift card purchases at the local Kroger. (Along with fuel points).

It all depends on routing, since I am east coast it is actually about the same flight time routing via EMEA / Middle East to South Asia. Plus, I sometimes do stopovers in AMS to whet the appetite on the way over.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2755583]LOL. I use my Amex Platinum on a daily basis for every purchase possible. If someone does not accept Amex then I use my X1. I usually rack up $3500 to $4000 per month on it. Right now I have 80,000 points. I always use mine to get $100 gift cards for Walmart which I use for grocery shopping at 14,000 points each. I get my money's worth, but I really would have to be a Saudi Prince type spender to have enough points to pay for vacations.[/QUOTE]90-100 K amex points can get you almost aa round back and forth to Thailand via transfer Air Canada, Avancia, BA. I don't know where your based but I can find availability 1 stop ORD-BKK for Feb / Mar on Qatar or United / Thai. Out of NYC 1 stops to BKK on Qatar, EVA, Singapore. Out of LAX, 1 stops on SIN, Qatar and even a 72 K point roundtrip + $70 redemption on Korean Air via Delta's program.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2755549]Benefits can be had I agree. BUT.

Studies have shown the Consumer comes out on the Short end majority of the time.

I got lots of points about 5 round trips to Bangkok. The cheapest flights always are bad Routings.

I prefer to just pay $1,000 regular price.[/QUOTE]Smart consumers do just fine, never carry a balance and cancel expensive cards with little benefits besides the sign up bonus after the first year. Routing / prices on award flights all have to do with travel flexibility, if you can travel mid-week there is plenty of availability. That extra $1 k in a person's pocket will pay for 2 weeks in a condo or reasonable mongering in Pattaya in a heartbeat.

Is all this talk about CC Pattaya specific? Whoever started it should have started it in one of the non city specific threads.

[QUOTE=Ehs183;2755843]The issue I have this Chase is that I am always running up against their 5/24 rule. The Sapphire / Rewards cards are actually better value than the United cards. They earn 3 x /2 x on travel and dining and the points transfer to United (And Hyatt) 1:1. Another bonus is that when you have a Chase visa card you can get 10% off of BA flights via an easy hack.

For Star Alliance, I used the Air Canada program as my go to. They take point transfers from all the major point currencies, allow to you book flights 360 days out, and have reasonable surcharges. I can accumulate a whole lot more Amex points (Do to fact it is easy to get 55 K points a year in referral bonuses and you can have more cards) than chase points in a year. The best all around card for amex is the Amex Gold card. 4 X points on dining and groceries. I end getting a net 3 X /4 X on almost all spend via gift card purchases at the local Kroger. (Along with fuel points).

It all depends on routing, since I am east coast it is actually about the same flight time routing via EMEA / Middle East to South Asia. Plus, I sometimes do stopovers in AMS to whet the appetite on the way over.[/QUOTE]I have the Sapphire as well, my favorite CC ever.

To put into perspective the value of CC points for those who don't play the game, I just booked my flights home only three days in advance. Cost me 48 k United points whilst I have almost 300 k United points. The itinerary home includes 3 flights from BKK to the US, aisle seats and cost me just the service / airport fees about $40.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2755823]Perhaps they'll be an increase in monger tourists this high season, but not tourists as a whole. All the Thais I talk to do not expect a good high season in terms of the number of tourists. Even the Bolt drivers say their customers in Pattaya are mostly Thais and my hotel I stay at is mostly empty during the week and full of Thais on the weekend. I just don't see tourist numbers all of a sudden start to rise in one week. High season is high season so numbers will go up, but me thinks not to the extent the TAT think. The global recession is a real thing and is going to get worse.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I am talking about record numbers of mongers in Pattaya for High Season, not tourists as a while. If you want to read my predictions about tourists as a whole, I post those in [URL]InternationalTouristGuide.com[/URL], along with my recommendations for Credit Cards.

You are going to read a lot of long posts from me about nothing in December, since all the ladies in my rotation are going to be charging 3000 baht for Short Time, and bars will be too crowded for find a seat. I did manage to secure a silicon enhanced MILF for early December for a trip to Dubai, but after that, pickings will be slim for me.

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[QUOTE=PayForIt;2753923]Had 12 days here recently. Second trip here for me. This time was much better. Last trip was pre covid. A good tip for punters going here download the Discord app. Doesn't work on apple devices only android / google. Apple has some content restriction nonsense so annoyingly I couldn't open the app after downloading it onto my ipad. So had to use a windows PC but the info is excellent and even shows photos of the current line up of girls working in each agogo / club / bar / gentleman's clubs. The guys on there also share great info of all sorts of things not just girls but on restaurants / taxis literally everything. So to Trev who runs Discord if you are reading this thank you for your brilliant videos and informative app which really helped me and should be used for anyone going to Pattay. Seek Trev out on Buzzin Pattaya on YouTube..[/QUOTE]Just a tip regarding Discord, you can get it working on iOS if you open up the web version, click on the gear in the bottom left and change your privacy settings blade. You can opt in for allowing you to see mature content via iOS.

My first visit to Thailand and I've had my fair share of Thai girls. They are nice but I would like to experiment with some other nationalities. Any suggestions where to go to hook up with non Asian nationalities in Thailand? Western or Latin women I mean. Not much into African kats.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2755195]To each their own of course and if Asian girls are not your type its no wonder you went 72 hours (or longer) without fucking one! They ware not actually my preference either. Oddly, Romanians are my favourites! But (a) I love the Asian attitude to service. Most of the girls from my recent trip really did want to ensure I was well satisfied. (b) its easy to find slim girls with good bodies. So the looks issue is then facial and whilst there are not a lot who are wow factor, I don't find it difficult to seek out some. Finally (c) there are so many to choose from! When I add price factor to all that for me, its a great hunting ground.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2755994]Yeah, I am talking about record numbers of mongers in Pattaya for High Season, not tourists as a while. If you want to read my predictions about tourists as a whole, I post those in [URL]InternationalTouristGuide.com[/URL], along with my recommendations for Credit Cards.

You are going to read a lot of long posts from me about nothing in December, since all the ladies in my rotation are going to be charging 3000 baht for Short Time, and bars will be too crowded for find a seat. I did manage to secure a silicon enhanced MILF for early December for a trip to Dubai, but after that, pickings will be slim for me.[/QUOTE]Pre COVID each high season was Worser than the previous high season.

No way in San Jose will anyone have trouble getting a seat in a Bar.

Don't worry Folks.

The only High season Pattaya and Bangkok Sex Shops get in recent memory is when Japan have their one week Holidays. I know Japan's is called Golden Week.

It's like Locust fly in for a week then come Monday they are all gone.

You will never see Bargirls so Happy as they get Barfined like nobody's business.

[QUOTE=Cusland;2756025]Please ban these people from the group ASAP. They are incredibly selfish Americans.[/QUOTE]As one, I can tell you have being selfish is pretty much a prerequisite to being an American. We have been that way since WW1 when Europe immolated and bankrupted itself. One of the reasons I go to Pattaya / BKK is that I generally have to deal with very little of of my countrymen.

The scary thing is there are people here who think that we should be even more selfish. As Christopher Hitchens wrote "I have always found it quaint and rather touching that there is a movement (Libertarians) in the US that thinks Americans are not yet selfish enough. ".

I enjoy Pattaya and BKK because of the value vs the US. It's an awesome form of pussy arbitrage based on basic labor arbitrage, along with other relatively cheap liveations available also.

The good news for most Pattaya regulars is that generally Americans are too entitled and lazy to get on an aircraft for 20+ hours, they would rather spend $100's / week wanking to live webcam feeds instead of enjoying the real thing at a fraction of the price in Thailand.

If it wasn't for my Credit Card miles program who blessed me with a free cattle class ticket of SFO. KLM - BKK via Malaysian Airlines / and China Southern. Then I would never had the opportunity to learn the magic secret to Connect 4 in Pattaya.

I am being somewhat sarcastic and tongue cheek here but I support hearing about milage programs. And yes the "Free" airfare is the shitiest flights- but if it's free- I am game. Posting my pic from the Honey Bee bar to keep on topic of Pattaya. Peace!

[QUOTE=Shukracharya;2756056]My first visit to Thailand and I've had my fair share of Thai girls. They are nice but I would like to experiment with some other nationalities. Any suggestions where to go to hook up with non Asian nationalities in Thailand? Western or Latin women I mean. Not much into African kats.[/QUOTE]Not a good idea.

Better to go to Brazil or Mexico.

[QUOTE=Shukracharya;2756056]My first visit to Thailand and I've had my fair share of Thai girls. They are nice but I would like to experiment with some other nationalities. Any suggestions where to go to hook up with non Asian nationalities in Thailand? Western or Latin women I mean. Not much into African kats.[/QUOTE]You're pretty much out of luck if you're looking for non-Thai girls in Thailand. There does seem to be some Russian girls here and there but that would cost a pretty penny.

You're more likely to find other nationalities in BkK, not here in Pattaya. I've seen some reports of mongers meeting non-Thai girls on the Bangkok forum. Walking around the FL areas of Nana / Asok is likely your best bet. For me, going through all that trouble just isn't worth it.

Random observations about play-for-pay ladies in Pattaya:

Under 30 ladies are mostly interested in a quick fuck and then don't clean up their messes before they go home from my room.

Ladies over 30 are more interested in Long Time, and almost always wash the dishes before they leave. If they also clean my condo, they are looking for sponsorship.

The ladies who like to be ass fucked are totally disinterested in making me cum. If I cum in their ass, great, but otherwise they ignore my dick. No idea why.

No Thai lady has ever changed a toilet paper roll.

I have a collection of ladies' underwear hanging on my wall. No idea why ladies walk out without underwear.

[QUOTE=XXL;2754718]I suspect many mongers keep coming to Thailand instead of the high price-quality ratio of girls in Thailand because said mongers are hard-line barebackers. To them looks and figure little matter as long as no condom is ok. Beer bar MILFS with mommy bodies are ideal for barebacking as they're close enough to menopause not to have to worry any more about pregnancy.
[/QUOTE]I agree with you and that's precisely why I haven't done any FS with bar / GC / go go girls in the entire 3 months I've been here outside of a couple of soapys at Honey 1. All of my freelance action has also been strictly condom use. Antibiotic resistant stds are running wild in pattaya at the moment.

I've had multiple former soi 6 freelancers as well as 2 soi 6 managers tell me how the depravity of punters with grotesque requests has driven girls away from bar work in Pattaya or pushed them to the "drinks only" status. They also say that the cheap charlies are the ones most likely to try bareback tricks. It's one of the big reasons that better looking thai women have ceased to come work in pattaya and moved to online, sugard daddies, or phuket / Bahrain / dubai for sex work. It's funny but the growing bareback reputation of pattaya is an attraction for some, but a big deterrant for others. Between punters who like to play safe and the decline of good looking girls who like to work safe, it's a damper on overall quality around here.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2756540]I agree with you and that's precisely why I haven't done any FS with bar / GC / go go girls in the entire 3 months I've been here outside of a couple of soapys at Honey 1. All of my freelance action has also been strictly condom use. Antibiotic resistant stds are running wild in pattaya at the moment.

I've had multiple former soi 6 freelancers as well as 2 soi 6 managers tell me how the depravity of punters with grotesque requests has driven girls away from bar work in Pattaya or pushed them to the "drinks only" status. They also say that the cheap charlies are the ones most likely to try bareback tricks. It's one of the big reasons that better looking thai women have ceased to come work in pattaya and moved to online, sugard daddies, or phuket / Bahrain / dubai for sex work. It's funny but the growing bareback reputation of pattaya is an attraction for some, but a big deterrant for others. Between punters who like to play safe and the decline of good looking girls who like to work safe, it's a damper on overall quality around here.[/QUOTE]That's an interesting take on things about antibiotic resistant STD's running wild in Pattaya".

Do you have any websites links or anything that might give some more details about it?

[QUOTE=Vector313;2756540]I agree with you and that's precisely why I haven't done any FS with bar / GC / go go girls in the entire 3 months I've been here outside of a couple of soapys at Honey 1. All of my freelance action has also been strictly condom use. Antibiotic resistant stds are running wild in pattaya at the moment.

I've had multiple former soi 6 freelancers as well as 2 soi 6 managers tell me how the depravity of punters with grotesque requests has driven girls away from bar work in Pattaya or pushed them to the "drinks only" status. They also say that the cheap charlies are the ones most likely to try bareback tricks. It's one of the big reasons that better looking thai women have ceased to come work in pattaya and moved to online, sugard daddies, or phuket / Bahrain / dubai for sex work. It's funny but the growing bareback reputation of pattaya is an attraction for some, but a big deterrant for others. Between punters who like to play safe and the decline of good looking girls who like to work safe, it's a damper on overall quality around here.[/QUOTE]Same here thinking like you.

I just don't see the appeal of exchangeing Bodily Fluids with Prostitiots.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2756540]I agree with you and that's precisely why I haven't done any FS with bar / GC / go go girls in the entire 3 months I've been here outside of a couple of soapys at Honey 1. All of my freelance action has also been strictly condom use. Antibiotic resistant stds are running wild in pattaya at the moment.

I've had multiple former soi 6 freelancers as well as 2 soi 6 managers tell me how the depravity of punters with grotesque requests has driven girls away from bar work in Pattaya or pushed them to the "drinks only" status. They also say that the cheap charlies are the ones most likely to try bareback tricks. It's one of the big reasons that better looking thai women have ceased to come work in pattaya and moved to online, sugard daddies, or phuket / Bahrain / dubai for sex work. It's funny but the growing bareback reputation of pattaya is an attraction for some, but a big deterrant for others. Between punters who like to play safe and the decline of good looking girls who like to work safe, it's a damper on overall quality around here.[/QUOTE]What s a Bargirls view on guys who use Viagra?

Logic tells me they Hate it. But when you read reports guys imply they love the never ending Smashing. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2756540]..... Antibiotic resistant stds are running wild in pattaya at the moment.......[/QUOTE]Damn, that's pouring some cold water on my anticipation for my 2023 trip to Pattaya. I don't do bare back full sex with prostitutes but if they're hot I do like to go down on them.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2756568]What s a Bargirls view on guys who use Viagra?

Logic tells me they Hate it. But when you read reports guys imply they love the never ending Smashing. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]A Tijuana girl once told me she hates Viagra because it makes customers take too long to finish. They should love it because without Viagra type drugs, the whole P4P industry shrinks. Many of the old men who need Viagra are also the men who have money to pay the girls.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2756568]What s a Bargirls view on guys who use Viagra?

Logic tells me they Hate it. But when you read reports guys imply they love the never ending Smashing. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Kamagra is readily sold and used in pattatay. The girls are very fine with it.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2756568]What s a Bargirls view on guys who use Viagra?

Logic tells me they Hate it. But when you read reports guys imply they love the never ending Smashing. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]How would they even know you're taking it?

I take a very small dosage just to give myself a boost. No girl has ever asked me if I use it.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2756590]Damn, that's pouring some cold water on my anticipation for my 2023 trip to Pattaya. I don't do bare back full sex with prostitutes but if they're hot I do like to go down on them.[/QUOTE]I also like to DATY hot girls. I've been in Pattaya a while now and have only gone down on one girl as I will only DATY hot girls. So that should tell you about the current state of high quality girls in terms of attractivness in Pattaya, or lack thereof I should say. That's to say, you'll surely smash some above average looking girls, but not extremely attractive looking girls (9's and 10's).

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2756568]What s a Bargirls view on guys who use Viagra?

Logic tells me they Hate it. But when you read reports guys imply they love the never ending Smashing. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Most ladies want the sex to end as soon as possible. I know this is shocking for some people, but most ladies are only in it for the money. And 90% have Thai boyfriends (or the equivalent), so they get enough at home.

It's a double edged sword for bargirls when it comes to hansum young Farangs. They love them as customers, but, apart from the small money, young guys like to fuck all night. Which is a problem for the lady, since she has to work the next day.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2756738]I also like to DATY hot girls. I've been in Pattaya a while now and have only gone down on one girl as I will only DATY hot girls. So that should tell you about the current state of high quality girls in terms of attractivness in Pattaya, or lack thereof I should say. That's to say, you'll surely smash some above average looking girls, but not extremely attractive looking girls (9's and 10's).[/QUOTE]Try pin-up agogo. Plenty of smoking hot girls. Lady love and queen with some good ones also.

If you've got game Muscle Factory gym has incredible talent!

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2756738]I also like to DATY hot girls. I've been in Pattaya a while now and have only gone down on one girl as I will only DATY hot girls. [/QUOTE]Aren't those usually the ones with the diseases?

Travelling to pattaya after 3 years. Would appreciate if someone recommends good 3 or 4 star GF hotels in central pattaya.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Ry2510;2756802]Travelling to pattaya after 3 years. Would appreciate if someone recommends good 3 or 4 star GF hotels in central pattaya.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Travelodge = cheap and 3 stars behind pattaya avenue. So quiet location.

Acqua hotel = bit more expensive. 4 stars.

Intimate hotel = 4 stars, big rooms and also near Pattaya Avenue.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2756740]Most ladies want the sex to end as soon as possible. I know this is shocking for some people, but most ladies are only in it for the money. And 90% have Thai boyfriends (or the equivalent), so they get enough at home.

It's a double edged sword for bargirls when it comes to hansum young Farangs. They love them as customers, but, apart from the small money, young guys like to fuck all night. Which is a problem for the lady, since she has to work the next day.[/QUOTE]That means old men still in the upper circuit among girls in money and less disturbing to them in bed even with ED drugs. I more focused on the fore play and less time in action to participate the girl in the game. Most of the time I was successful, may be my thinking. He he. Any way there is still room for old men in Pattaya girls heart.

Short visit to Pattaya after a long break of 4 years with a friend. Usually stayed in the interconnected rooms in Basaya Pattaya clang. This time looking for an interconnected room in Soi 7 or 8 between Beach road and second road. Expecting help from friends who are familiar with hotels having interconnected rooms.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2756846]Short visit to Pattaya after a long break of 4 years with a friend. Usually stayed in the interconnected rooms in Basaya Pattaya clang. This time looking for an interconnected room in Soi 7 or 8 between Beach road and second road. Expecting help from friends who are familiar with hotels having interconnected rooms.[/QUOTE]On the ground here and now. Soi 7&8 dead. Hotels along that stretch are boarded up and dark at night.

[QUOTE=Ry2510;2756802]Travelling to pattaya after 3 years. Would appreciate if someone recommends good 3 or 4 star GF hotels in central pattaya.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]Holiday Inn express on soi buckhao should fit your 3 star requirement. Relatively new but no balconies on this building.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2756740]Most ladies want the sex to end as soon as possible. I know this is shocking for some people, but most ladies are only in it for the money....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2756815]That means old men still in the upper circuit among girls in money and less disturbing to them in bed even with ED drugs.....[/QUOTE]I'm old and probably the girls' worst nightmare of a customer. While unmedicated, and after pacing myself at 2 girls a day, I find it very difficult to actually blow my load. This means girls can be called into marathon sessions as Little G always wants to play but the game never comed to an end (no pun intended).

Great fun for me. For the girls? Probably not.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Cusland;2756762]Try pin-up agogo. Plenty of smoking hot girls. Lady love and queen with some good ones also.

If you've got game Muscle Factory gym has incredible talent![/QUOTE]I have no game or looks, hence why I'm in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2756777]Aren't those usually the ones with the diseases?[/QUOTE]I don't know, I have a few arbitrary DATY rules. They have to be hot and a freelancer (no bar, club girls). I just assume FLers are having less sex which statistically lessens the chance of me catching something.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2756963]I'm old and probably the girls' worst nightmare of a customer. While unmedicated, and after pacing myself at 2 girls a day, I find it very difficult to actually blow my load. This means girls can be called into marathon sessions as Little G always wants to play but the game never comed to an end (no pun intended).

Great fun for me. For the girls? Probably not.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]When it is thinking and trying to finish the load can lead disappointments some times even on medication. I focus on prolonged foreplays of different style and never think about finishing. Let it go as it happens, new policy and it give full excitement too from girl to girl.

[QUOTE=Ry2510;2756802]Travelling to pattaya after 3 years. Would appreciate if someone recommends good 3 or 4 star GF hotels in central pattaya.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I was there 3 weeks ago and stayed at both Adelphi and Page 10 hotel. Both GF and require ID from the guest. Both call afterwards to confirm all good to return ID to the guest. Both close to the action of treetown and LK.

Acqua, as someone else has mentioned, is also GF as I have stayed there a couple of times. This is a particularly notable hotel if you want privacy. In particular, unless things have changed, if you stay in the second building, it is often unmanned, so guests a can come and go without having to give ID (if that is the kind of setup you want).

The D Hotel is a little further out, but also GF.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2757054]When it is thinking and trying to finish the load can lead disappointments some times even on medication. I focus on prolonged foreplays of different style and never think about finishing. Let it go as it happens, new policy and it give full excitement too from girl to girl.[/QUOTE]I noticed this during my recent trip. Usually don't have a problem finishing. Maybe takes a little longer if I have had a few beers. This time (my first trip in 3 years), any kind of alcohol and it was a struggle to finish. Without alcohol, it usually wasn't too much of an issue, but still required concentration. I put it down to getting older and not being as fit as I was back then. Then again, I found one lady who knocked my socks off and I didn't even have to think about getting to the finish line. Maybe I need to now switch focus from quantity to quality.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2756846]Short visit to Pattaya after a long break of 4 years with a friend. Usually stayed in the interconnected rooms in Basaya Pattaya clang. This time looking for an interconnected room in Soi 7 or 8 between Beach road and second road. Expecting help from friends who are familiar with hotels having interconnected rooms.[/QUOTE]The connecting rooms 308 and 309 at Basaya should meet what you are looking for.

I stay right now at Basaya, but in a superior room. Great location, good prices for rooms, many newly renovated rooms and friendly staff.

I.

[QUOTE=XXL;2754718]I suspect many mongers keep coming to Thailand instead of the high price-quality ratio of girls in Thailand because said mongers are hard-line barebackers. To them looks and figure little matter as long as no condom is ok.
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[QUOTE=Vector313;2756540]It's funny but the growing bareback reputation of pattaya is an attraction for some, but a big deterrant for others. Between punters who like to play safe and the decline of good looking girls who like to work safe, it's a damper on overall quality around here.[/QUOTE]If there's one thing I've learned over the years, as a hard-line barebacker, it's that there is no direct correlation between a girl's looks and her willingness to bareback.
There are 6's and lower who immediately start a safe sex lecture when I ask for BBFS, and there are 8's and 9's who immediately say yes and don't seem to care.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2757101]If there's one thing I've learned over the years, as a hard-line barebacker, it's that there is no direct correlation between a girl's looks and her willingness to bareback.
There are 6's and lower who immediately start a safe sex lecture when I ask for BBFS, and there are 8's and 9's who immediately say yes and don't seem to care.[/QUOTE]I just come back from Thailand and especially Bangkok and Pattaya and all girls accept bareback! I never had any problem with that! The few girls who ask condom, just propose them 500 or 1000 more and they accept without any hesitation.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2757101]If there's one thing I've learned over the years, as a hard-line barebacker, it's that there is no direct correlation between a girl's looks and her willingness to bareback.
There are 6's and lower who immediately start a safe sex lecture when I ask for BBFS, and there are 8's and 9's who immediately say yes and don't seem to care.[/QUOTE]So true. That is one of the reasons one of my favorite options for mongering is Bangkok go-go bars where, imo, the girls are far more attractive than the options that rarely if ever work for me getting an upfront agreement for BBFSCIP; Massage Shops, especially the so-called PSE shops like Tulip in Bangkok and just about anywhere in Pattaya.

Not that I target the top tier lookers in the go-go bars. I don't. But the 2nd tier girls are as agreeable to it if not moreso than the thicker, 35+ year old MILFs one might assume need to agree to it in order to compete for customers with the younger, hotter girls.

If anything, lower tier lookers with one foot out of the go-go bars on their way to a take-all-cummers PSE Massage Shop are among the least likely to agree to it with me while the early 20-somethings with firm young bodies they delight to showing off on stage are the most likely to.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2757058]I noticed this during my recent trip. Usually don't have a problem finishing. Maybe takes a little longer if I have had a few beers. This time (my first trip in 3 years), any kind of alcohol and it was a struggle to finish. Without alcohol, it usually wasn't too much of an issue, but still required concentration. I put it down to getting older and not being as fit as I was back then. Then again, I found one lady who knocked my socks off and I didn't even have to think about getting to the finish line. Maybe I need to now switch focus from quantity to quality.[/QUOTE]The prime purpose in pattaya is to have good time in bed. Performance first drink follow and afterwards let it go whatever way. When young I usually had couple of SamMig light from every bar visited and these days a bottle of water and beer for girls. Time changes everything.

[QUOTE=Tomling;2757060]The connecting rooms 308 and 309 at Basaya should meet what you are looking for.

I stay right now at Basaya, but in a superior room. Great location, good prices for rooms, many newly renovated rooms and friendly staff.

I.[/QUOTE]Stayed more than 15 times in Basaya, the old Nippon hotel. Road facing rooms in all three floors are connecting and my favorite rooms are in first floor, because of no elevator. Thanks for the reply.

Amsterdam Soi Bongkot.

Remember that Hot Gir, well she still there.

Another you tuber paid that place a visit.

Doesn't look so hot anymore. Haha. Possibly this guy doesn't know how to photoshop.

Anyone try her Charms?

Which is the best weekday to go to Camel Toe? I do Walking Street on Fridays and Saturdays? What is the best time? I usually hit G clubs at 3 pm. Is this good for Camel Toe?

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2757243]Stayed more than 15 times in Basaya, the old Nippon hotel. Road facing rooms in all three floors are connecting and my favorite rooms are in first floor, because of no elevator. Thanks for the reply.[/QUOTE]

For the newbies there is a Pattaya hotel thread.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1875-Pattaya-Hotels

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2756737]How would they even know you're taking it?

I take a very small dosage just to give myself a boost. No girl has ever asked me if I use it.[/QUOTE]If you look like Buzzin the you tuber and you have a Rock Hard Erection that won go away. Hahaha.

Avg erection doesn't last that long. Avg insertion less than that.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2757360]Which is the best weekday to go to Camel Toe? I do Walking Street on Fridays and Saturdays? What is the best time? I usually hit G clubs at 3 pm. Is this good for Camel Toe?[/QUOTE]This should be Good. While you there check out Amsterdam. The Hot Girl still there.

Did explore are touting Nude Cashier s make Camel Toe a must visit?

I was venting in the Bangkok forum regarding the sad decay of Thailand as a former mongering paradise, ageism and all. So now I am in Pattaya and I have my first bad experience. There was this super cute girl that I connected with on ThaiFriendly, gave her all priorities because she was so super cute. Chatting over Line was quite pleasant. And I had suggested a short time (the thing they all seem to want to do almost exclusively nowadays) I saw the requests going for 1500 for ST so I specified 1500 for 90 minutes (which then is fair I guess). We were nicely planning it and the hour I arrived in Pattaya I messaged her that now it was time to come over. When she came in, she was super bubbly and cute, but then unfortunately over the duration of a half hour we two fell out. It seems to me that she was not really into the job, despite all that cuteness. She didn't connect, didn't want to be touched much, DATY no, kissing no, and it got to the point where doing the deed she got more and more frozen-up. She didn't do much at all and no finishing up plan was accepted. So I said this was a bummer and if she wants to take 500 and leave then so be it. She wanted 1000 but I said hey, you failed and ruined my afternoon. Then she said 800 and I guess I could have sent her off with 700 but whatever, I handed her 800.

These are such downers. I didn't let it get too much to me. But I have to compare again with my Latin American babies, like the cute one in Bogota who seemed also new in the business, and was also a bit frozen up (and it was cold in Bogota too) but at least she offered that I finish up with CIM and afterwards we continued cuddling a bit and she asked me to take her with me as a GF which I declined because a few minutes earlier she told me she had killed a guy and the mafia was after her (stuff she probably made up, but crazy enough to not get too deeply involved with either way). But anyway, just goes to show that fresh girl doesn't have to be so bad. With this girl today, no attempt was made to please. I told her she picked the wrong job.

Now there is another beauty for 2500ST and 5000 LT, and I wonder if I should dare that, instead of going for the slightly older ones who responded well on TF. I need a more down to earth experience to shake this off.

WTF, I have to throw another grump bomb. Thailand was once upon a time but now it is not even worth the time to stick around here. What the fuck! I was just witnessing a scene which describes this bullshit here perfectly. So there are these freelancers here at the beach, really nothing worth spending time and money on. But EVEN THESE have attitude that stinks to high heaven. There was this dude, probably a little older than I, I don't think he looked bad. In shape, his head proudly shaved, etc. He approached one of the freelancers who even she probably was close to, if not beyond 30. And as he approached her, she just pointed him to the lady next to her. Like rude as fuck. Not even a polite rejection. It was more like "don't even come close to me, talk with the old hag over there". I was walking down the Soi 2 or whatever where supposedly all the beer bar action was. Stupid Halloween and everyone made herself ugly. So I just modestly paced walked through, place is modestly full of females, couldn't tell if pretty or not because of the Halloween bullshit, and no real action. Total ignorant bitches most of them. So, you know what, this sucks so bad, I don't know what I will do here for a week. Those TF girls at least make it easier, more comfortable to connect and aplenty so rejection is a non-issue really. But like how low can one go to be begging them hookers for attention? This sucks! This is not worth the time let alone the money of staying and eating here (yes even the food has become ridiculous, my favorite foods that were aplenty on the streets 10 years ago, can't even find it any more!). I'm probably going to switch gears completely and just see if I develop something with the girls who were responsive on TF and are not freelancers. Just to make the time worthwhile, or go to professionals who have some basic service ethics. WTF.

About Beach Road customers.

They aren't Top quality.

So a girl rejecting without even blinking an eye doesn't surprise me.

On the other hand the quality of provider equals that of the customers they attract.

Chill bro.

To the guy who like South America. Do you have Hansum Indian features? Like Dark skin.

To Thai Girls it matters.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2757495]WTF, I have to throw another grump bomb. Thailand was once upon a time but now it is not even worth the time to stick around here.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about your bad experiences but you've gone all the way to Thailand and you're meeting girls from a dating site and freelancers, both of which you could do at home. For the same prices as you mentioned, you could fuck a girl from soi 6, one of the many gents clubs or a massage with extras place (I. E soi Honey). Line is your best friend in Pattaya. Collect Line details of girls you meet in bars and massage shops and your experiences will improve.

During my last 3 days here, I have had ladies around the clock, usually in pairs. One set of ladies broke my bed, so I did have to pause after they left to do carpentry work. They had double-teamed me, one sitting on my face, while the second was sucking my balls, eventually climbing on for a ride.

I had a single lady for the night.

Two ladies yesterday, they got naked on the sofa, and one went into Tomboy mode and mounted the other. I plan to take them both to Singapore next month.

Last night, a lady moved into my condo, she will live here while I am in America. But last night, she was very anxious to make me happy, and ended up doing a rare sideways Cowgirl. Very nice.

I don't know why anyone is complaining about Pattaya.

Meeting girls from datingsites and freelancers can be done at home? Are you sure?

* In Pattaya you will find much more independent working women than in most other cities in the world.

* TF is not a datingsite. Well, it is. But for Pattaya is't basically a classified website for freelancers.

* Prices here (Netherlands) are around 7500 THB an HOUR. Can easily save 6 K an hour per date if go to Pattaya. For a 10 day holiday and one pop a day that's 60 K savings.

However. What at stinkysquad is saying is just a sign of the times. Pattaya is still a great place for P4 P but it aint as good as it WAS. However its still better than most alternative options.

Maybe the party is over in Pattaya for FARANG. But the party continues with Arab / Indian and Korean customers. Especially those last onces are willing to pay high prices for some birds. Gogobars are making a lot of money even in slow evenings so there is zero incentive to change because (mostly) farang are getting depressed by the changes.

Thai logic - Fuck 1 x 4 K is a better deal than fuck 4 times for 1. 5 K. Less work.

I don't see a lot of happy Indians here either, and in fact I saw on some chicks' profiles the request to not even be contacted by indians (and some added arabs). I asked one of the girls why, what's the issue, but didn't get a straight answer.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2757715]I don't see a lot of happy Indians here either, and in fact I saw on some chicks' profiles the request to not even be contacted by indians (and some added arabs). I asked one of the girls why, what's the issue, but didn't get a straight answer.[/QUOTE]Have a conversation with a bar manager and you will get a straight answer. It has mostly to do with desires of group sex, low ball offers, disrespectful yelling, and lack of long term potential for boyfriend / sponsor / husband. Indians don't have it "harder", they just come to Pattaya with different expectations of the girls.

A bargirl told me recently that she had a South Asian buy her a drink in her bar. He said he wanted to go ST with her, and she quoted 1000 baht for her, and 300 for the room.

He responded with 500 baht all included.

She did not react well.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2757707]Meeting girls from datingsites and freelancers can be done at home? Are you sure?

* In Pattaya you will find much more independent working women than in most other cities in the world.

* TF is not a datingsite. Well, it is. But for Pattaya is't basically a classified website for freelancers.

* Prices here (Netherlands) are around 7500 THB an HOUR. Can easily save 6 K an hour per date if go to Pattaya. For a 10 day holiday and one pop a day that's 60 K savings.

However. What at stinkysquad is saying is just a sign of the times. Pattaya is still a great place for P4 P but it ain't as good as it WAS. However its still better than most alternative options..[/QUOTE]Is it just me or should we stop thinking and talking about the old days?

Endless discussions about the current prices against the prices years ago. I understand that maybe many of the visitors here are coming to Bkk and or Pattaya for many years and remember how is was but I don't see the point of bringing it up every time. The world is changing and it would be very rare when everything is changing but the drinks, ladydrinks, barfine, st / LT rate are staying the same. Personally I find it absurd that some people are still expecting to pay 1.5/2 k & for a st with a model of 9 or even a 10.

Let's be realistic:

- you fill up your car for more money.

- you park at the airport for more.

- you take a flight for more.

- you pay more for your hotel.

- your food and drinks cost more.

- but noooo the entertainment is to expensive nowadays.

Now I can't look into everyone's wallet but if you can spend your cash on an airline ticket to fly out here than stop whining about the prices.

Probably you guys are going to hate me for this but while my ticket is around 4,5 K (Europe to BKK), the hotel is around 180/220 a night, I happily pay a bill of 3 k on drinks, a barfine of 1/1,5 K and 5 k /7 k for a LT with a beautiful girl. It will cost me on average 10 k a time which is around 260.260 for a whole night out with a beautiful girl at my side a night together and mostly she goes home around 1 pm is a steal in my world.

Most indians are into fatties. So they are after different girls anyway.

Koreans like white asian (light skin color is "sign of wealth".).

So thank God we are not all fishing in the same pond!

I get a lot of requests for social media info for particular ladies. This is a not good idea.

First, a lady I like may be unacceptable to someone else.

More importantly, the ladies detest messages from guys not in Pattaya. The best way to find ladies in Pattaya is to walk down the street. You can get addresses after you barfine them.

Hi fellow kinksters,

I'm moving to Jomtien next month and will be looking at several condos with some sexy female realtors.

Has anyone had luck hooking up with a realtor while viewing a property?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2757605]During my last 3 days here, I have had ladies around the clock, usually in pairs. One set of ladies broke my bed, so I did have to pause after they left to do carpentry work. They had double-teamed me, one sitting on my face, while the second was sucking my balls, eventually climbing on for a ride.

I had a single lady for the night.

Two ladies yesterday, they got naked on the sofa, and one went into Tomboy mode and mounted the other. I plan to take them both to Singapore next month.

Last night, a lady moved into my condo, she will live here while I am in America. But last night, she was very anxious to make me happy, and ended up doing a rare sideways Cowgirl. Very nice.

I don't know why anyone is complaining about Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Photos bro.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2757707]Meeting girls from datingsites and freelancers can be done at home? Are you sure?

* In Pattaya you will find much more independent working women than in most other cities in the world.

* TF is not a datingsite. Well, it is. But for Pattaya is't basically a classified website for freelancers.

* Prices here (Netherlands) are around 7500 THB an HOUR. Can easily save 6 K an hour per date if go to Pattaya. For a 10 day holiday and one pop a day that's 60 K savings.

However. What at stinkysquad is saying is just a sign of the times. Pattaya is still a great place for P4 P but it aint as good as it WAS. However its still better than most alternative options.

Maybe the party is over in Pattaya for FARANG. But the party continues with Arab / Indian and Korean customers. Especially those last onces are willing to pay high prices for some birds. Gogobars are making a lot of money even in slow evenings so there is zero incentive to change because (mostly) farang are getting depressed by the changes..[/QUOTE]If I'm a Thai girl I'd go for one session at 4,000 over 4 sessions at 1,500. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2757707]Maybe the party is over in Pattaya for FARANG.[/QUOTE]It's absolute nonsense to suggest the party is over. People can get as dewy-eyed and nostalgic as they like about what Pattaya used to be like, about the days when they could fuck a pair of 10/10 twins on Beach Road for 200 baht LT, but it's still an incredible place now. The quality and quantity of girls might be down but there are still a HUGE amount of beautiful young girls desperate to spread their legs for cash. I was there in March with heavy COVID restrictions and had one of the best trips I've had, which is exactly why I'll be back again in two weeks time.

[QUOTE=Namelezz;2757726]Is it just me or should we stop thinking and talking about the old days?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2757605]I don't know why anyone is complaining about Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. Honestly, when I read some of the nonsense here it makes me question people's motivations for discouraging others.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2757849]It's absolute nonsense to suggest the party is over. People can get as dewy-eyed and nostalgic as they like about what Pattaya used to be like, about the days when they could fuck a pair of 10/10 twins on Beach Road for 200 baht LT, but it's still an incredible place now. The quality and quantity of girls might be down but there are still a HUGE amount of beautiful young girls desperate to spread their legs for cash. I was there in March with heavy COVID restrictions and had one of the best trips I've had, which is exactly why I'll be back again in two weeks time..[/QUOTE]State of Pattaya will be addressed when Banana files his report on Camel Toe.

We will then know what kind of Girls Explorer goes for. Then we can surmise accordingly.

Last 5 years more and more shops are being boarded up. This is in Central Pattaya.

It can not be denied Pattaya is in a Decline.

I am travelling to Bangkok / Pattaya from the US and will be there on Nov 24th.

This is my first visit. What should I expect there? I am looking for young girls (around 19-22). Where do you think I will find them? What's the $ damage I am looking at.

PM is open. Please send any details / direct contacts that you may have.

[QUOTE=Tustia;2757804]Hi fellow kinksters,

I'm moving to Jomtien next month and will be looking at several condos with some sexy female realtors.

Has anyone had luck hooking up with a realtor while viewing a property?[/QUOTE]My second girlfriend in Pattaya sold real estate. Not sure what the kink is. It is just a job. Would it make a difference if you hooked up with her before you found out what her job was?

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2757849]It's absolute nonsense to suggest the party is over. People can get as dewy-eyed and nostalgic as they like about what Pattaya used to be like, about the days when they could fuck a pair of 10/10 twins on Beach Road for 200 baht LT, but it's still an incredible place now. which is exactly why I'll be back again in two weeks time.[/QUOTE]I don't go to a buffet and start worrying about what is not on the bar. I am too busy filling my plate with what I like that is available. I do not go to the buffet expecting wagyu and lobster tails to be on it either the same as many punters go to Pattaya expecting it to be full of models. I will have to come out and buy you a beer.

[QUOTE=Namelezz;2757726]Let's be realistic:

- you fill up your car for more money.

- you park at the airport for more.

- you take a flight for more.

- you pay more for your hotel.

- your food and drinks cost more.

- but noooo the entertainment is to expensive nowadays.[/QUOTE]You have to be even more realistic. I have always said that my apartment in Pattaya has cost the same for the last 14 years. My taxi from the airport has been the same for the last 14 years. I have given FL the same 1000 baht LT for the last 14 years. Even if the cost of your food and drink has gone up, it has not gone up 300 or 400% as the cost of some of this entertainment has. How the heck is the barfine now costing as much as the girl used to cost? Glad I never developed the habit of going around bar fining.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2757911]My second girlfriend in Pattaya sold real estate. Not sure what the kink is. It is just a job. Would it make a difference if you hooked up with her before you found out what her job was?[/QUOTE]The kink is flirting and fucking the realtor while she is showing me the condo. Offering an amount of money to have sex in the vacant condo. The pitch "I will rent this condo for 1 year and give you 2000 TBH if I can fuck you right now."

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2757876]I am travelling to Bangkok / Pattaya from the US and will be there on Nov 24th.

This is my first visit. What should I expect there? I am looking for young girls (around 19-22). Where do you think I will find them? What's the $ damage I am looking at.

PM is open. Please send any details / direct contacts that you may have.[/QUOTE]How old are you? Are you in good shape? That will influence the price.

It's illegal for bars to employ people under 20 so you are looking for barely legal girls.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2757853]State of Pattaya will be addressed when Banana files his report on Camel Toe.

We will then know what kind of Girls Explorer goes for. Then we can surmise accordingly.

Last 5 years more and more shops are being boarded up. This is in Central Pattaya.

It can not be denied Pattaya is in a Decline.[/QUOTE]This is utter nonsense. Since Covid the city has bounced back and is growing rapidly. Look at Cosy Beach, Na Jomtien, Pratumnak Soi 5. The new roads out towards Bang Saray, all around Maprachan lake. Soi Pothole, Soi Boomerang and the Chineseare not even back yet, In decline? LOL!

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2757853]State of Pattaya will be addressed when Banana files his report on Camel Toe.

We will then know what kind of Girls Explorer goes for. Then we can surmise accordingly.

Last 5 years more and more shops are being boarded up. This is in Central Pattaya.

It can not be denied Pattaya is in a Decline.[/QUOTE]You are not keeping up on current events. I haven't barfined a Camel Toe lady this year. It's filled with older MILFs. Not that MILFs are bad, but they all have regular customers all the time.

[QUOTE=HolsterMike;2757876]I am travelling to Bangkok / Pattaya from the US and will be there on Nov 24th.

This is my first visit. What should I expect there? I am looking for young girls (around 19-22). Where do you think I will find them? What's the $ damage I am looking at.

PM is open. Please send any details / direct contacts that you may have.[/QUOTE]RTFF.

Take a walk down Soi 6.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2757810]Photos bro.[/QUOTE]Ladies have sponsors who would not be pleased.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2757315]Amsterdam Soi Bongkot.

Remember that Hot Gir, well she still there.
[/QUOTE]When did you actually last see her there? What time did you see her there? Went to Amsterdam twice in the past month and both visits there were no girls. Other Full Love Inn bars had 5 to 10 girls each.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2758050]When did you actually last see her there? What time did you see her there? Went to Amsterdam twice in the past month and both visits there were no girls. Other Full Love Inn bars had 5 to 10 girls each.[/QUOTE]I've never been. I'll look for the 2nd you tuber who did a video. Just came out recently.

Sorry for having been such a party pooper. I was being too grumpy. Focused too much on one detail observation. But the truth is, it's probably still the best place around for easy sex with quite nice chicks. So, never mind. What might have been once doesn't matter since there is still a lot going.

[QUOTE=AlexAlexa;2757853]It can not be denied Pattaya is in a Decline.[/QUOTE]I'd say it's more accurate to say that Pattaya is recovering from Covid, the difference between the start of the year and June was striking and I expect more improvements when I return next month. So much was closed at New Years and there were few girls around, by June things had gotten better. This next high season won't be as good as expected and the global recession may make next year's poor also.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2758061]Sorry for having been such a party pooper. I was being too grumpy. Focused too much on one detail observation. But the truth is, it's probably still the best place around for easy sex with quite nice chicks. So, never mind. What might have been once doesn't matter since there is still a lot going.[/QUOTE]Don't be so hard on yourself. Simple truth is that Pattaya is NOT the same as precovid. However it IS still a good option for party and cheap sex.

The number 1 position worldwide is just something it might lose in the near future because of the higher prices, less chicks and well. Changes in the world!

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2758101]Don't be so hard on yourself. Simple truth is that Pattaya is NOT the same as precovid. However it IS still a good option for party and cheap sex.

The number 1 position worldwide is just something it might lose in the near future because of the higher prices, less chicks and well. Changes in the world![/QUOTE]Unless you are looking very closely, Pattaya is pretty much now the same as before Covid.

The major difference is that more bars on Walking Street and Soi 6 are closed, but there are more bars open in the Soi Buakhow and Chaiyapoon areas. I don't know why people waste their time complaining about Pattaya, but they have been doing so for 20 years here.

If you want top tier talent, go to a top tier gogo and pay top tier money. And the top tier ladies are much better than 20 years ago, the population of Thailand is taller than 20 years ago, on average. And there is much more silicon.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2758101]Don't be so hard on yourself. Simple truth is that Pattaya is NOT the same as precovid. However it IS still a good option for party and cheap sex.

The number 1 position worldwide is just something it might lose in the near future because of the higher prices, less chicks and well. Changes in the world![/QUOTE]Definitely my favorite place (Pattaya). This is after being in Vietnam, Philippines, and S. Korea for the last 2 months. I'll be returning in a couple days.

Hey everyone,

I came from the USAGL and after a few years of mongering the K-girl scene in Cali, I thought it was finally time to visit Thailand, the motherland of Poon, for a little bit. Booked a flight to Thailand for January for about 14 days. I'm planning on spending 7 days in Bangkok and then 7 days in Pattaya. Should I make reservations for all days ahead of time? Or is it recommended to book hotels when I personally get there? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance everyone!

Sabai across from Central Marina and beside Honey 2 has kept its promise and has reopened. I didn't go in tonight since it was before 5 pm and not really fair on them for me to comment on numbers and quality at that time.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2758101]Don't be so hard on yourself. Simple truth is that Pattaya is NOT the same as precovid. However it IS still a good option for party and cheap sex.

The number 1 position worldwide is just something it might lose in the near future because of the higher prices, less chicks and well. Changes in the world![/QUOTE]I don't know of a destination that can dethrone Pattaya for reasonably priced accommodation and available women, near the sea.

[URL]https://www.thaipbsworld.com/tourist-arrivals-in-thailand-surge-43-to-3-1-million-in-october/[/URL]

A huge increase in tourist numbers coming to Thailand in October. November numbers will be higher, and December tourists will be through the roof.

More importantly, mongers coming to Pattaya are increasing faster than the overall numbers. I know many ladies already taking reservations for December. Fortunately, no matter what, Soi 6 ladies will always be available, so don't worry about lack of ladies over the Holiday season.

I overheard some conversations from those fellows who say they practice bare backing and how it is fairly easy to do here. I personally hate condoms and would consider doing it. I know the ins and outs of the general theory of medicine. What interests me is to the BB enthusiasts why you think people are doing it (asking that way so you can reply for a friend). Like do you think most people do it because they already carry HPV and HSV and maybe even HIV and just go after the chlamydiae, rickettsiae, treponemae, and neisseriae on an as-needed basis? Or even prophylactic antibiotics? And no worries of the multi-resistance super-neisseriae? Or do such people think the risk is vastly overstated? Or perhaps a brief vaginal inspection with olfactory test gives them enough control over risk?

Back on RedSnake days. Circa 1996 people would argue about barebacking and risks of STDs. Nothing has changed on the rational or Why question. I am glad to hear many of the younger Mongers are wearing condoms! I appreciate that. Only thing I'll say is that I never take AntiBiotics unless absolutely necessary. And I have only had a couple of "emergencies" and glad everything worked out. I did not recognize your other $20.00 words. But I do understand some guys take Antibiotics as a "prophylactic" aka preventative measure after the 2 week millionaire festivities. Too each their own. But from my experience the immune system blesses some of us and curses others. Plus once you go BB it is Hard to go back to Latex.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2758172]What interests me is to the BB enthusiasts why you think people are doing it (asking that way so you can reply for a friend). Like do you think most people do it because they already carry HPV and HSV and maybe even HIV and just go after the chlamydiae, rickettsiae, treponemae, and neisseriae on an as-needed basis? Or even prophylactic antibiotics? And no worries of the multi-resistance super-neisseriae? Or do such people think the risk is vastly overstated? Or perhaps a brief vaginal inspection with olfactory test gives them enough control over risk?[/QUOTE]That all sounds too complicated. I think many go BB because they cannot maintain a boner and finish inside a condom.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2758110]Unless you are looking very closely, Pattaya is pretty much now the same as before Covid.

The major difference is that more bars on Walking Street and Soi 6 are closed, but there are more bars open in the Soi Buakhow and Chaiyapoon areas. I don't know why people waste their time complaining about Pattaya, but they have been doing so for 20 years here.

If you want top tier talent, go to a top tier gogo and pay top tier money. And the top tier ladies are much better than 20 years ago, the population of Thailand is taller than 20 years ago, on average. And there is much more silicon.[/QUOTE]Which ones are the best you think?

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2758326]Which ones are the best you think?[/QUOTE]Certainly the most popular gogo is Pinup. Plenty of ladies there.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2758101]Don't be so hard on yourself. Simple truth is that Pattaya is NOT the same as precovid. However it IS still a good option for party and cheap sex.

The number 1 position worldwide is just something it might lose in the near future because of the higher prices, less chicks and well. Changes in the world![/QUOTE]Don't forget infrastructure is the biggest edge that Pattaya has. There are plenty of party & cheap sex options around the world as good or better than Pattaya, but the one thing that gives Thailand the edge is 1st world infrastructure. I was just talking to a couple of guys on soi 6 the other day who moved here from the Philippines. They were telling me about that and I was telling them about various places in S. America and Africa and the one thing we all agree on is that Thailand is unmatched by having solid electricity and internet more than any other cheap sex option destinations.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2758123]Sabai across from Central Marina and beside Honey 2 has kept its promise and has reopened. I didn't go in tonight since it was before 5 pm and not really fair on them for me to comment on numbers and quality at that time.[/QUOTE]Really? I drove past there a week or so ago and it looked like a wreck from the outside. Where did you get this information?

[QUOTE=StreamFlyer;2758119]Hey everyone,

I came from the USAGL and after a few years of mongering the K-girl scene in Cali, I thought it was finally time to visit Thailand, the motherland of Poon, for a little bit. Booked a flight to Thailand for January for about 14 days. I'm planning on spending 7 days in Bangkok and then 7 days in Pattaya. Should I make reservations for all days ahead of time? Or is it recommended to book hotels when I personally get there? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance everyone![/QUOTE]Hey fellow Socal brother, your trip sounds exactly like mine but going to be there 3 weeks. I would recommend booking first 1-2 days at Bangkok near nana plaza (try agoda) since you will be jetlagged and won't want to deal with it. I would keep the rest open because it's Thailand and you won't know where you will end up.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2758362]Don't forget infrastructure is the biggest edge that pattaya has. [/QUOTE]I first thought you where joking with the floods and all. But yeah. Juice and internet works 99,5% of the time. Agree there LOL.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2758362]Don't forget infrastructure is the biggest edge that pattaya has. There are plenty of party & cheap sex options around the world as good or better than pattaya, but the one thing that gives thailand the edge is 1st world infrastructure. I was just talking to a couple of guys on soi 6 the other day who moved here from the Phillipines. They were telling me about that and I was telling them about various places in S. America and Africa and the one thing we all agree on is that Thailand is unmatched by having solid electricity and internet more than any other cheap sex option destinations.[/QUOTE]When it comes to Internet it certainly has changed like night and day twenty something years ago. It seems like yesterday I was going to Internet shops.

As for infrastructure in town tourist all the money spent to make you feel and shape your positive experience so you keep coming back. Constant road work drains no matter how you put it still goes into the ocean, beach road year after years keeps going under construction. All the money made from tourist although Pattaya a special. Economic zones the general population on the East side get very little. That infrastructure is still 60 plus years behind roads beyond what tourist can see rarely get fixed on the East side where majority of Thai live who work in town. Tourist shit in five star toilets while the spetic tanks get empty at night waste taken to the East side times just dumped in empty land cause the lone waste plant can't handle the volume. When there is a drown it is the East side that has their water rational.

While a billion or so was spent to put overhead wires underground on Klang and Nua, poles on the East side hang so low wires at times hang bikers.

Just wish some of that tourist money one day benefits the rest of the population?

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2758281]That all sounds too complicated. I think many go BB because they cannot maintain a boner and finish inside a condom.[/QUOTE]Too right, nailed it.

As a bareback ride does so more easily for us older gents!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2758123]Sabai across from Central Marina and beside Honey 2 has kept its promise and has reopened. I didn't go in tonight since it was before 5 pm and not really fair on them for me to comment on numbers and quality at that time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vector313;2758363]Really? I drove past there a week or so ago and it looked like a wreck from the outside. Where did you get this information?[/QUOTE]From myself. I posted on this board or another that Sabai Dee would be reopening November 1. This photo was taken by me November 2. I was too lazy to resize the photo yesterday. Yes the construction zone was gone. I was skeptical last week if the opening was really going to happen.

On the topic of soapies I decided to check out Grand Honey 3 near Tukcom this afternoon. Was thinking they would make it nicer than the other ones since the building itself is really nice. Nope. Same set up. Purple seats. Not fair to comment on the girls since it should be at least after 5 before you go to any soapie.

Walked Buakhao from Tukcom to Soi 19 or so. 3 or 4 decent ones to at the 2 usual massage places near Lengkee. There was also a nice one at VIP massage or something like that north of Annie Jack's. I walked by her twice and she would look away. Then I see her targeting much older Farang. Guess each girl has their preference!

Walked Soi Honey. Surprisingly Paradise actually had a doable girl. Walked Soi 25. Still have no idea why guys believe there are hot girls there but guess it's good we all have different tastes.

Walked Central Pattaya East of Buakhao where Relax Massage is. 4th time this month. Desperate move by myself in hoping to find one of my favorite girls who's Line I lost. One of my best hidden gems. No luck and no need to walk there again.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQe1a0IYbOA[/URL]

Looking Good. Nobody try? Not what you expect to find in Pattaya.

Pattaya, Bangkok, Hua Him VS everywhere else.

Thailand is relatively safe for tourists. Big Malls.

Case Closed.

RE; Girls. Depends on what you like. Filipipino by the 1,000's could pass as Thais, vice versa. Its apparent more than 50% don't care about looks. Looks don't Matter.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2758584][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQe1a0IYbOA[/URL]

Looking Good. Nobody try? Not what you expect to find in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]This bar along with the others on Soi Full Love Inn have been there for years. Hit and miss for me. Had some great times when we've turned up drunk as a group and they've had a decent group of girls in. All of the bars have maybe 2-3 girls who are passable, but with a few beers that number increases!

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2758584][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQe1a0IYbOA[/URL]

Looking Good. Nobody try? Not what you expect to find in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I just posted these girls weren't there on my 2 visits this past month. If they are someone pm date and time of day you saw them. Otherwise it's a struggle to motivate myself to get to Full Love Inn these days.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2758768]I just posted these girls weren't there on my 2 visits this past month. If they are someone pm date and time of day you saw them. Otherwise it's a struggle to motivate myself to get to Full Love Inn these days.[/QUOTE]I sessioned with the attractive one few months back, decent experience but a no repeat for me.

I didn't like the vibe of the place either, that male owner is always there sitting at the bar (at least the two times I went) and it's just awkward. I prefer only female staff at any of these types of establishments. The only males in these places should be customers. Even on Soi 6, I never go to the spots that have male staff. I want to be around feminine energy at places where I session, not masculine energy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2758768]I just posted these girls weren't there on my 2 visits this past month. If they are someone pm date and time of day you saw them. Otherwise it's a struggle to motivate myself to get to Full Love Inn these days.[/QUOTE]Any sightings of Nekkid Cashier's?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2758856]I sessioned with the attractive one few months back, decent experience but a no repeat for me.

I didn't like the vibe of the place either, that male owner is always there sitting at the bar (at least the two times I went) and it's just awkward. I prefer only female staff at any of these types of establishments. The only males in these places should be customers. Even on Soi 6, I never go to the spots that have male staff. I want to be around feminine energy at places where I session, not masculine energy.[/QUOTE]Does she really get Nekkid for 1,000 bahts?

If Yes, maybe she has debts to Bad people.

[QUOTE=StreamFlyer;2758119]Hey everyone,

I came from the USAGL and after a few years of mongering the K-girl scene in Cali, I thought it was finally time to visit Thailand, the motherland of Poon, for a little bit. Booked a flight to Thailand for January for about 14 days. I'm planning on spending 7 days in Bangkok and then 7 days in Pattaya. Should I make reservations for all days ahead of time? Or is it recommended to book hotels when I personally get there? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance everyone![/QUOTE]Book your first 7 days in advance. Then, see if you want to go down to Pattaya. If you're dead set on that schedule, then no problem with booking ahead of time.

I suggest booking somewhere between BTS Nana and BTS Asoke for your BKK trip. And near 2nd road, between S Pattaya Rd and Central Pattaya Rd for Pattaya. This will keep you close to most of the action. Soi 6 is easily accessible via the baht bus.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2759027]Book your first 7 days in advance. Then, see if you want to go down to Pattaya. If you're dead set on that schedule, then no problem with booking ahead of time.

I suggest booking somewhere between BTS Nana and BTS Asoke for your BKK trip. And near 2nd road, between S Pattaya Rd and Central Pattaya Rd for Pattaya. This will keep you close to most of the action. Soi 6 is easily accessible via the baht bus.[/QUOTE]I have booked a room in Mytt hotel, Pattaya beach road for next years trip. Is it girlfriendly? I have booked for two people. This is supposed to be 5 star hotel.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2754516]Value or Not?

As for the current debate on the value of Pattaya compared to your home country or the parts of the world for mongering. One must not forget about the illusion factor or entertainment factor. Walking around, holding hands, with a 19 year old village girl, thinking you are in love and everything is rosy with world is priceless. Same like being old as dirt and going to a night club with loud Thai techno music you don't recognize, almost seizuring from the lasers, but you still are a Rockstar. Same just like the illusion of being a millionaire when you are only spending 2,000 USD in 2 weeks is also priceless. This is what Pattaya offers. These are how lifetime memories are made. Let us not forget, that regret because naivety is what makes it all memorable. The escape from everyday life has no price.[/QUOTE]Excellent and very to-the-point comment. Could not agree more. I have been mongering in Asia for 20 years and tried China, Phillippines, Hong Kong, Singapore, Cambodia and Thailand. Some of the aspects of travel and mongering can be better in one of the other destonations, but no other country can challenge Thailand on the combination of issues that is important in my travels. And the list is long; from safety issues to food, culture, standards of hotel, people, service etc. There is a reason Pattaya get all these tourists and I am sure they will kick back after the terrible covid years. I am impressed with the way Thai people have handled difficult times. As we get older, the rockstar experience can only be had in a few places in the world. But in Thailand you can still have this experience at a relatively cheap price. The "escape from every day" life cost a lot of money in travel expenses etc. But maybe it is well spent money after all? We only live once.

Does anybody actually go to Treetown and have fun?

It looks horribly Horrid. Ghost town like.

Source. You tube vids. Per. . real recent upload.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2759195]Does anybody actually go to Treetown and have fun?

It looks horribly Horrid. Ghost town like.

Source. You tube vids. Per. . real recent upload.[/QUOTE]When I went for a month in March, Treetown was busier than Walking Street or Soi 6.

When I went in September (2 week trip), I would say all 3 were equally busy. It doesn't help that they are tearing up the streets there to re-pave. It was all dirt roads 6 weeks ago.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2759195]Does anybody actually go to Treetown and have fun?[/QUOTE]And yes, I had a lot of fun there.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2759195]Does anybody actually go to Treetown and have fun?

It looks horribly Horrid. Ghost town like.

Source. You tube vids. Per. . real recent upload.[/QUOTE]Some people love Treetown and have a great time there, but I hate the place. Outdoor bars are just not my thing.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2759195]Does anybody actually go to Treetown and have fun? It looks horribly Horrid. Ghost town like. Source. You tube vids. Per. . real recent upload.[/QUOTE]Yep. YouTube videos are the way to live and makke your decisions. Forget your personal real life experiences. Miss out on life because you were convinced by YouTube.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2759195]Does anybody actually go to Treetown and have fun?

It looks horribly Horrid. Ghost town like.

Source. You tube vids. Per. . real recent upload.[/QUOTE]Certainly not a ghost town. Big crowds every evening. Girls like to show off there, not clear however which girls are available and which aren't. More like a socialising venue than a mongering one. The food there is nothing special to say the least.

[QUOTE=XXL;2759365]Certainly not a ghost town. Big crowds every evening. Girls like to show off there, not clear however which girls are available and which aren't. More like a socialising venue than a mongering one. The food there is nothing special to say the least.[/QUOTE]It's Pattaya, if the girls are there socialising, then they're available.

If you're what they want right then.

If they say no, then ask them for their LINE or other contact details.

Nearly always they will give them.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2759195]Does anybody actually go to Treetown and have fun?

It looks horribly Horrid. Ghost town like.

Source. You tube vids. Per. . real recent upload.[/QUOTE]All the times I've been there (June / Oct.) it was kinda dead. Yeah lot of lights and noise. But a closer look show its just bar-staff there and most places not have customers.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2759195]Does anybody actually go to Treetown and have fun?

It looks horribly Horrid. Ghost town like.

Source. You tube vids. Per. . real recent upload.[/QUOTE]Tree town is a great spot. It's always jumping at night. Lots of pretty girls and you can meet some fellows to hang out with as well. It's not necessarily sex central as there are only a couple of gogos, but as far as freelance opportunity (face to face, not thaifriendly) tree town is a great spot to hangout starting as soon as sundown.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2759195]Does anybody actually go to Treetown and have fun?

It looks horribly Horrid. Ghost town like.

Source. You tube vids. Per. . real recent upload.[/QUOTE]TreeTown is so crowded that nobody goes there.

Seriously, lots of customers and lots of ladies. There are some bars hidden inside that are not outdoors.

Here's a pro tip for newbies:

If you are in a small bars and are drinking with a lady, if they ask you if you would like to hear some music, don't ask for 50 year old classic rock, or 80's or 90's stuff. On the other hand, don't ask the lady what she wants, she will play some Esan music that will drive other customers away, and maybe you. The happy medium is Reggeton, the customers can tolerate it, and the ladies like it. Put "Ram Pam Pam" on YouTube, and the ladies will be very happy.

Nothing makes the ladies more bored than hearing obscure 70's British music.

Tree Town is a place for the guys who enjoy outdoor bar beers like the 100's of bars along Soi Buakhao, Soi Diana, LK Metro, Lengkee, and Soi 25. Clientele is usually the same. Older balding men on a budget. I actually don't mind walking through Tree Town. Kind of entertaining. I don't watch YouTube videos but when I first walked through it was definitely a much larger area than I thought. Ghost town? Absolutely not. There are lots of girls or should I say women there and enough customers around. Have I ever bought a lady drink there? Nope. They are not top tier girls. There are on the bar beer and Beach Road level.

Swung by Soi 6 tonight (Sunday). Arrived around 4:30 pm. Any earlier and it's been rather dead from my experience this trip anyways. Couldn't believe how many girls there were tonight. Every bar had all street front seats full of girls. Easily the most girls on Soi 6 I have seen this trip. A couple of days during this week it was extremely quiet. Guess girls are making a return after hearing this week that BKK airport was overflowing with tourists. Quality tonight was decent. The best strip of Soi 6 bars are along the Nightwish strip from Around Playpen to Passion. Unfortunately these are the bars where most girls ask for 1500 to 2000 in addition to the 400 baht barfine. I've negotiated all girls I wanted back to 1000 except for 1 who wouldn't go below 1200. Prices inflated because guys who don't know any better are willing to pay 1500-2000 for an hour. Please negotiate guys!

My gem of this trip on Soi 6 was a busty ex-Tantra gogo girl I liked who only asked for 1k. She was a no brainer.

Gave both clubs a fair shot at being successful this weekend by going at a time when they should have been busy with lots of girls.

Maggie May on Soi 25 - have actually visited twice. The first was more of a fly by and the 2nd I bought a beer for this review. A small tight bar but really not too bad a place to hang out in. On both occasions there was 1 girl who was half decent. It may have been the same girl. The other 10+ "girls" were ones I would never go for. It's near the tourist area so while visiting Pattaya drop by. There are many worse bars around, especially along Soi 25.

Camel Toe. I have been to CT about 20 times in the past but this visit was the first since Explorer has been promoting this bar on here. Used to find the odd gem here back in 2015-18. Opened the door and hit by a huge whiff of smoke. Don't recall that ever being an issue at CT in the past, possibly because the place was usually void of customers. I really wanted to stay for a more accurate review but it was so smoky in there I needed to get out quickly. I put on my mask and did a walk through. Maybe 8-10 women. Maybe only 1 younger than 40 from what I saw. No ladyboys at CT. Clientele all older Farang in their 60's and possibly 70's or 80's. It's still in the middle of nowhere imo. I think my Bolt was around 100 baht. I'm not going back. Someone else can be the sucker next time!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2759458]Gave both clubs a fair shot at being successful this weekend by going at a time when they should have been busy with lots of girls.

Maggie May on Soi 25 - have actually visited twice. The first was more of a fly by and the 2nd I bought a beer for this review. A small tight bar but really not too bad a place to hang out in. On both occasions there was 1 girl who was half decent. It may have been the same girl. The other 10+ "girls" were ones I would never go for. It's near the tourist area so while visiting Pattaya drop by. There are many worse bars around, especially along Soi 25.

Camel Toe. I have been to CT about 20 times in the past but this visit was the first since Explorer has been promoting this bar on here. Used to find the odd gem here back in 2015-18. Opened the door and hit by a huge whiff of smoke. Don't recall that ever being an issue at CT in the past, possibly because the place was usually void of customers. I really wanted to stay for a more accurate review but it was so smoky in there I needed to get out quickly. I put on my mask and did a walk through. Maybe 8-10 women. Maybe only 1 younger than 40 from what I saw. No ladyboys at CT. Clientele all older Farang in their 60's and possibly 70's or 80's. It's still in the middle of nowhere imo. I think my Bolt was around 100 baht. I'm not going back. Someone else can be the sucker next time![/QUOTE]As I have posted many times, Camel Toe is inhabited by MILs and GILFs. I haven't barfined a lady there in a year.

Moreover, CT has many regular customers who see the same lady every day.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2759445]Here's a pro tip for newbies:

If you are in a small bars and are drinking with a lady, if they ask you if you would like to hear some music, don't ask for 50 year old classic rock, or 80's or 90's stuff. On the other hand, don't ask the lady what she wants, she will play some Esan music that will drive other customers away, and maybe you. The happy medium is Reggeton, the customers can tolerate it, and the ladies like it. Put "Ram Pam Pam" on YouTube, and the ladies will be very happy.

Nothing makes the ladies more bored than hearing obscure 70's British music.[/QUOTE]On my 2nd trip post Corona I went into Rainbow 4 at 730 pm. Flight departure reasons.

They were playing Mainstream Thai Rock and Roll. Sounded Great.

People start showing up they start playing Usual Khrap.

Any offer for a good club with Russian / European girls?

And also club / bar with black girls?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2759356]Yep. YouTube videos are the way to live and makke your decisions. Forget your personal real life experiences. Miss out on life because you were convinced by YouTube.[/QUOTE]Actually tube of you provides decent info. General concensus is if age and looks matter don't bother with Treetown. Hahaha.

Today was weird, in a very pleasant way. In the morning at 11 me and myself walked into a bar. It should have been a BJ bar. So I figured, it's going to be a pretty mechanical selection. But nobody was there, only the bartending mamasan and well, there was one girl. Who looked cute and pleasant. She offered me a drink (wanted coffee as it was morning, but Cola was the next best.) Then I got cold feet because there were 4 Indians sitting there and waiting. And I thought, shit, I am sitting on unconfirmed waiting list behind 4 or 5 (Indians. But I asked my girl if she was free, and she said yes. Communication was not well, but mamasan translated (or whatever that was). "Isn't this a BJ bar, so I guess I take that". And I paid 910 I suppose with the Cola. My girl's reaction was not great at first, I couldn't understand what they were talking of course, but she didn't look like happy to go off with me. However, once she called me and we went upstairs she started being pleasant. She had a bunch of her utensils, including tooth brush and all, led me into a fairly large bedroom, and we took a shower. This was unusual for a BJ place already. She brushed her teeth and rinsed with the Lysterine before getting to work, notable. She rinsed her mouth not with the water from the faucet but from a large 50 L bucket, remarkable. Anyway, we got warm with each other, I caressed her, I soaped her and it was cute. Then she was cold and I dried her off and because she was so small and cute, I picked her up in my arms and carried her over to the bed. Sat her on my lap. And instead of BJ action, what started was some serious heart-job. She started kissing and moaning and we were like lovey lovey the entire time. Her pussy wet, and we were just about to get at it bareback. I guess she was the wiser one to kind-a stop it, saying she was not well, so we continued cuddling and kissing and looking at each other for a long time, and it was really lovely. Then I said it was time to get to work a little. And then the time was over, some buzzing. And then we exchanged Line ID and she said we had to go. I started cooing her to come with me and hang out in my room for the day. Such a cute kitty was exactly what I wanted. But then she had some excuse and I didn't firmly insist to take her out. So I left her behind, grudgingly. And we messaged back and forth. Turns out she told me she was sick and decided to continue at the bar. That of course was bullshit. 4 hours later she told me I had to pay bar fine of 2700 if I want to take her, I said "you could have told me earlier and I would have done it". Strangely, she decided to prefer the bar over me. Whatever her reasoning, maybe she knew that falling in love would likely just lead to heartache or something. Or, maybe, she was really really good at avoiding the actual blow job by giving me a full illusion of a romantic encounter instead. Either way, it was worth every penny and minute spent on her today.

At 5 when she still hadn't made up her mind I said that I won't beg any longer, it was nice to have met you, and good bye.

What a weird day. A guy and his dick walk into a bar. Asking for a blowjob, and received a heat job instead.

It was good for me.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2759562]Today was weird, in a very pleasant way. In the morning at 11 me and myself walked into a bar. It should have been a BJ bar. So I figured, it's going to be a pretty mechanical selection. But nobody was there, only the bartending mamasan and well, there was one girl. Who looked cute and pleasant. She offered me a drink (wanted coffee as it was morning, but Cola was the next best.) Then I got cold feet because there were 4 Indians sitting there and waiting. And I thought, shit, I am sitting on unconfirmed waiting list behind 4 or 5 (Indians. But I asked my girl if she was free, and she said yes. Communication was not well, but mamasan translated (or whatever that was). "Isn't this a BJ bar, so I guess I take that". And I paid 910 I suppose with the Cola. My girl's reaction was not great at first, I couldn't understand what they were talking of course, but she didn't look like happy to go off with me. However, once she called me and we went upstairs she started being pleasant. She had a bunch of her utensils, including tooth brush and all, led me into a fairly large bedroom, and we took a shower. This was unusual for a BJ place already. She brushed her teeth and rinsed with the Lysterine before getting to work, notable. She rinsed her mouth not with the water from the faucet but from a large 50 L bucket, remarkable. Anyway, we got warm with each other, I caressed her, I soaped her and it was cute. Then she was cold and I dried her off and because she was so small and cute, I picked her up in my arms and carried her over to the bed. Sat her on my lap. And instead of BJ action, what started was some serious heart-job. She started kissing and moaning and we were like lovey lovey the entire time. Her pussy wet, and we were just about to get at it bareback. I guess she was the wiser one to kind-a stop it, saying she was not well, so we continued cuddling and kissing and looking at each other for a long time, and it was really lovely. Then I said it was time to get to work a little. And then the time was over, some buzzing. And then we exchanged Line ID and she said we had to go. I started cooing her to come with me and hang out in my room for the day. Such a cute kitty was exactly what I wanted. But then she had some excuse and I didn't firmly insist to take her out. So I left her behind, grudgingly. And we messaged back and forth. Turns out she told me she was sick and decided to continue at the bar. That of course was bullshit. 4 hours later she told me I had to pay bar fine of 2700 if I want to take her, I said "you could have told me earlier and I would have done it". Strangely, she decided to prefer the bar over me. Whatever her reasoning, maybe she knew that falling in love would likely just lead to heartache or something.[/QUOTE]Report of Distinction Material.

You had Fine time with a girl who wasn't into you. congratulations.

Wish I could put the clapping Emoji.

Pardon me if I read wrong.

P.S. At least you got Kissing. Usually they won't Kiss if they don't like you.

Like I've said before Who Knows What's going on in their Head.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2759562]

What a weird day. A guy and his dick walk into a bar. Asking for a blowjob, and received a heat job instead.

It was good for me.[/QUOTE]Can you share location and name of the bar?

LoyKraytong tomorrow. Nov. 8th!

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2759568]Can you share location and name of the bar?[/QUOTE]I thought it was Kittens but now I'm not so sure. Anyway, there was hardly anyone there, even as I walked by there in the evening.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2759027]Book your first 7 days in advance. Then, see if you want to go down to Pattaya. If you're dead set on that schedule, then no problem with booking ahead of time.

I suggest booking somewhere between BTS Nana and BTS Asoke for your BKK trip. And near 2nd road, between S Pattaya Rd and Central Pattaya Rd for Pattaya. This will keep you close to most of the action. Soi 6 is easily accessible via the baht bus.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info brother. Do you mind if I PM you some questions about the hotel's I booked already?

[QUOTE=AsianWinkie;2758393]Hey fellow Socal brother, your trip sounds exactly like mine but going to be there 3 weeks. I would recommend booking first 1-2 days at Bangkok near nana plaza (try agoda) since you will be jetlagged and won't want to deal with it. I would keep the rest open because it's Thailand and you won't know where you will end up.[/QUOTE]I just might extend mine to 3 weeks as well if I have that great of a time out there LOL. Is it your first time as well?

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2759371]It's Pattaya, if the girls are there socialising, then they're available.

If you're what they want right then.

If they say no, then ask them for their LINE or other contact details.

Nearly always they will give them.[/QUOTE]Yes, girls in Thailand want to appear polite, they ALWAYS give you their LINE. To be precise, they give you some sort of LINE. Often a dead LINE account they give away to be shot of the man who asks. Even when they give their own LINE they don't answer messages. As a challenge try collecting 10 messages at night like this and see how many girls even read the "hello" message you send them.

Too many reports of Bargirls not being nice to us customers, myself included.

What are you going to do about it?

I'm going on a Diet. Lose 200 pounds of my 700 hulk-a-maniac type frame.

I'm hearing Bargirls want Hansum over money. Hahaha. I'm giving them what they want.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2759458]Gave both clubs a fair shot at being successful this weekend by going at a time when they should have been busy with lots of girls.

Maggie May on Soi 25 - have actually visited twice. The first was more of a fly by and the 2nd I bought a beer for this review. A small tight bar but really not too bad a place to hang out in. On both occasions there was 1 girl who was half decent. It may have been the same girl. The other 10+ "girls" were ones I would never go for. It's near the tourist area so while visiting Pattaya drop by. There are many worse bars around, especially along Soi 25.

Camel Toe. I have been to CT about 20 times in the past but this visit was the first since Explorer has been promoting this bar on here. Used to find the odd gem here back in 2015-18. Opened the door and hit by a huge whiff of smoke. Don't recall that ever being an issue at CT in the past, possibly because the place was usually void of customers. I really wanted to stay for a more accurate review but it was so smoky in there I needed to get out quickly. I put on my mask and did a walk through. Maybe 8-10 women. Maybe only 1 younger than 40 from what I saw. No ladyboys at CT. Clientele all older Farang in their 60's and possibly 70's or 80's. It's still in the middle of nowhere imo. I think my Bolt was around 100 baht. [/QUOTE]Very informative pointers on Gentlemans club and the Bolt service to reach those places. Any information about The Passion, KitKat, Sea horse and Kinnaree clubs? Worth exploring or in the same way as CT? Wish to see the Saturday scene in CT. He he. Still confusion remains where to hunt either on open bars or from closed one.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2759705]Too many reports of Bargirls not being nice to us customers, myself included.


I'm hearing Bargirls want Hansum over money. Hahaha. I'm giving them what they want.[/QUOTE]They want money over money. And we "Farang" are simple not the highest spenders. While still having thousands of girls around there IS a shortage of ladies in Pattaya.

Simple supply / demand. Prices go up. They CAN be a bit arrogant and refuse a farang and waiting for a better (bigger) fish. Koreans are the high rollers who are easily willing to pay 10 K for longtime for a gogobar girl.

Salarys for a model in a gogobar went up from about 30 K a month to 60 k a month in a few years time. With XS agogo (same owner Pinup) opening within a month we can imagine those prices will even go up MORE. The pretty chicks have less and less incentive to fuck a farang who's old enough to be their daddy.

Anyway. Diet is always a good idea. But I bet there are TONS of nice ladies to be found when you just go for the more average once.

I arrived at Bangkok Airport around 11:00 pm On Friday night and Amex and I were back at Insomnia bar by 2:00 am Ordering his usual Samsung and Coke lights. Great hanging out with a couple girls at the next table. Eventually they came over and we shared our bottle with them. The one I liked actually followed us to the next bar, Myst and eventually came back to my hotel for 1 K ST. Great service, great smile, and a great attitude so I tipped a couple hundred baht. Since it was my first night back, I went looking for something at 9:00 am along Beach Road. There were a couple girls around the McDonald's, Soi Post Office. I eventually I made it almost to Central Festival by the dive shop and found a diamond in the rough. Great smile and great attitude and great service and big soft titties for another 1 K St.

Although I have been to Pattaya several times, I never tried a blowjob bar. We made it to Soi 6 and I found click / lick bar and paid 800 baht for up to 40 minutes of blowjob. She gets naked and goes to work. 500 more gets you full service. After that went to Amex's friend's birthday party on Soi 6 and shockingly the girl that came home with me last night is working there. Of course she recognized me and was very friendly. Later that night we are headed into walking Street and Amex bumps into a few girls. He starts chatting one up so I start chatting up the other one. She eventually agrees to go with me ST 3 H for 2000 baht. Yes, I know it's a little high, but I was in a good mood and she was pretty. Unfortunately, she was not able to perform anal Service as promised so we agreed on 1k and we parted on good terms.

Next morning was a repeat and in call service with the soft titty girl I found at Beach Road. She came over promptly at 10:00 am And provided excellent service. ST 1000 baht. I tipped a couple hundred baht for her motorbike taxi and excellent service. Probably following Sensei Amex back to Insomnia and Myst bar tonight.

[QUOTE=Sushilover808;2759837]I arrived at Bangkok Airport around 11:00 pm On Friday night and Amex and I were back at Insomnia bar by 2:00 am Ordering his usual Samsung and Coke lights. Great hanging out with a couple girls at the next table. Eventually they came over and we shared our bottle with them. The one I liked actually followed us to the next bar, Myst and eventually came back to my hotel for 1 K ST. Great service, great smile, and a great attitude so I tipped a couple hundred baht. Since it was my first night back, I went looking for something at 9:00 am along Beach Road. There were a couple girls around the McDonald's, Soi Post Office. I eventually I made it almost to Central Festival by the dive shop and found a diamond in the rough. Great smile and great attitude and great service and big soft titties for another 1 K St.

Although I have been to Pattaya several times, I never tried a blowjob bar. We made it to Soi 6 and I found click / lick bar and paid 800 baht for up to 40 minutes of blowjob. She gets naked and goes to work. 500 more gets you full service. After that went to Amex's friend's birthday party on Soi 6 and shockingly the girl that came home with me last night is working there. Of course she recognized me and was very friendly. Later that night we are headed into walking Street and Amex bumps into a few girls. He starts chatting one up so I start chatting up the other one. She eventually agrees to go with me ST 3 H for 2000 baht. Yes, I know it's a little high, but I was in a good mood and she was pretty. Unfortunately, she was not able to perform anal Service as promised so we agreed on 1k and we parted on good terms.[/QUOTE]I like the one with small tits. The one with a Happy Face.

[QUOTE=KingAmir;2759529]Any offer for a good club with Russian / European girls?

And also club / bar with black girls?[/QUOTE]The only place with Russians I know of is GALAXY Russian Girls Show in walking street. But I've not yet been to Pattaya so I can't comment on quality.

Honestly though if you want Russians or Europeans, go to Germany FKKs, not Pattaya.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2759638]LoyKraytong tomorrow. Nov. 8th![/QUOTE]Definitely one of the most fun days in Thalland. Everyone grab your favorite girl and have fun tonight.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2759910]The only place with Russians I know of is GALAXY Russian Girls Show in walking street. But I've not yet been to Pattaya so I can't comment on quality.[/QUOTE]I'd strongly suggest that you steer clear of this place, Moulin Rouge and other similar joints. The reasons have been highlighted by several seniors, including myself, in previous posts and shouldn't be hard to find.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2759910]...Honestly though if you want Russians or Europeans, go to Germany FKKs, not Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Actually, Russian girls in German FKKs is a thing of the past. Easier to find them in places like Dubai.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2760052]Definitely one of the most fun days in Thalland. Everyone grab your favorite girl and have fun tonight.[/QUOTE]Of all the holidays this one Loy Krathong actually not but the girls seem to like it the most from my experience. Still, I have girls I know who work at GoGo and who I stay friends contact me to see if I'm free to come down to pay their bar fine so they can have the night of celebrating the event. Barfine not coming out of my pocket usually I go visit their place while buying a drink they slip me the money that was before Covid when BF would be double. In general, many don't like to spend it alone in my hay day I would take one out for Hot pot, some drinking, do the floating number at the beach then to a Thai Isan club for more drinking which many of these girls seem to be the happiest and when they are the rest of the evening you can imagine how it goes?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2760140]Of all the holidays this one Loy Krathong actually not but the girls seem to like it the most from my experience. Still, I have girls I know who work at GoGo and who I stay friends contact me to see if I'm free to come down to pay their bar fine so they can have the night of celebrating the event. Barfine not coming out of my pocket usually I go visit their place while buying a drink they slip me the money that was before Covid when BF would be double. In general, many don't like to spend it alone in my hay day I would take one out for Hot pot, some drinking, do the floating number at the beach then to a Thai Isan club for more drinking which many of these girls seem to be the happiest and when they are the rest of the evening you can imagine how it goes?[/QUOTE]Ending?

1. All parties Drunk and go home.

2. You got Free Sex with a Bargirl who paid her own Barfine.

P.S. Is Pattaya s Booming yet?

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2760254]Ending?

1. All parties Drunk and go home.

2. You got Free Sex with a Bargirl who paid her own Barfine.

P.S. Is Pattaya s Booming yet?[/QUOTE]This is a real assumption on your part! Not everyone drinks until they fall over! Where did it say in my report I got sex-free sex with a girl who paid their own Barfine once we were out of the club and went our own way? The reason although I live here I don't speak of price, cheap charlie, or booming or not booming is because what a person pays is up to them that includes whether it is booming or not.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2760323]This is a real assumption on your part! Not everyone drinks until they fall over! Where did it say in my report I got sex-free sex with a girl who paid their own Barfine once we were out of the club and went our own way? The reason although I live here I don't speak of price, cheap charlie, or booming or not booming is because what a person pays is up to them that includes whether it is booming or not.[/QUOTE]Of course I had to conjecture on what happened. You didn't tell us the exciting finish of details.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2760330]Of course I had to conjecture on what happened. You didn't tell us the exciting finish of details.[/QUOTE]If you want finished details try PornHub or something! I figure a guy responding in your matter has been around the block I guess I was wrong. Details555.

Not that I want to start getting all grumpy again, I am at the right place. But so far that has not been Soi 6. Last night trying to find any massive Loi Kratong light float event up and down the central beach (which I did not find) I took a stroll through Soi 6 again (only the second time I am here). And once again, it was rather depressing, especially compared to the Soi Bukhao area where I am preferring it. I did not force it, I guess I could have gone into some bar and sit there, and see what would happen, but walking by I was meeting mostly ignorant faces who looked away, or even rudely walked around me to invite some other dudes (presumably Japanese, because they held some Japanese signs.) I mean, I don't need to be excessively hollered at, that can be annoying too, but the ignorance and right out rudeness is rather annoying.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2759705]Too many reports of Bargirls not being nice to us customers, myself included.

What are you going to do about it?

I'm going on a Diet. Lose 200 pounds of my 700 hulk-a-maniac type frame.

I'm hearing Bargirls want Hansum over money. Hahaha. I'm giving them what they want.[/QUOTE]So I do not have any weight to lose, let alone 200 pounds.

I think one should simply hold it with the motto "go where you are treated best" and that means, boycott places where you're not treated well.

The way I see it, it's not like there are soooo many guys there. Most of the Soi 6 bars that I saw were empty or had one or just a few dudes in them, some even sitting alone.

My diagnosis is that these girls have way too cushy contracts with these bars, they can just stand there doing nothing, being unpleasant, holding out for a prince or whatever. They'll go home with enough cash regardless. That is what this looks to me.

And the only answer to that is essentially not go there.

I find the area around Soi Bukhao much more pleasant. There you can just smile and get smiles in return. That Soi 6 place sucks, totally uninviting. I guess I might still one day go there and really hunt, but so far I find it a turn-off, so when I am there I have not much interest because it's not fun.

Hey guys, I'm travelling to Thailand for the first time after covid in 2019 at the end of this month for 8 days, 4 days in pattaya and 4 days in Bangkok. Looking for some help with girls, bars, clubs. Rates. Open to all suggestion. DM is always open. Would be super helpful for any information. Thanks.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2760605]That Soi 6 place sucks, totally uninviting. I guess I might still one day go there and really hunt, but so far I find it a turn-off, so when I am there I have not much interest because it's not fun.[/QUOTE]Soi 6 advice.

1. Don't walk up and down Soi 6 multiple times on a daily basis. Girls recognize you pretty quickly as a non potential sex partner just like you recognize them.

2. This one is important. If you are seen walking up and down the soi with a guy known to the girls as a Cheap Charlie or a difficult customer, chances are very high the girl will ignore you moving forward. There was one pretty girl I liked who kept ignoring me. I was curious on why she was ignoring me and when I asked she said I'm with that cheap guy who never goes with a girl and just tries to get all girls go to his room for a lower rate. She turned out to be a great lay for 1000.

3. If you like a girl walk up to them and talk to them. It's free! Unless you look like Shrek or smell like Pepe Le Pew chances are that girl is willing to go with you. This is Pattaya. The average mongerer is not very good looking.

4. Some advice I need to take too. Don't walk Soi 6 at the speed of light like most guys do. Take your time. What's your rush? This is Pattaya with little else to do until gogo bars open at 7:30 or 8 pm. Remember many of these bars have an indoor section as well.

Finally, and likely most importantly, walk down the soi looking happy and have a smile on your face. So many guys expect girls to be all smiley at them yet the guy looks like his dog just died.

Remember lots of Soi 6 girls ask for 1500 or 2000 baht now on top of the 300 or 400 barfine and possible drinks. Always try to negotiate to 1000 or very close to that. If your main objective is boom boom get the prices first before buying lady drinks.

Went to Sabai Dee about an hour ago 7 pm. Not many girls 20-30. Some were ok. Forgot the prices I think it ranged from 2200 to 3800 give or take. I was the ONLY customer in there looking.

Went to Honey 2. I had to take a double take at my watch to see what year it was. Possibly close to 100 girls in there. Prices were roughly 1000 more than Sabai Dee for each of the 4 groups. I think the VIP was 4900 and 3800 for M. VIP and M used to mean younger and hotter but the lines are a lot more blurred now. There were easily over 50 guys in there. I was the only non Indian. Not sure how many of the guys were actually looking or just standing right at the front waiting for one of their friends.

All in all the best 2 girls I could see were in Sabai Dee. Cheaper and prettier. Am I missing something?

Was on Soi 6 from 5 to 7 pm. Can't find my Passion girl still. She's not at Playpen or any of the other NW Group bars either. Lots of girls but I had just finished with a G club girl so it needed to be someone extra special to get me to go an hour after.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2760373]Not that I want to start getting all grumpy again, I am at the right place. But so far that has not been Soi 6. Last night trying to find any massive Loi Kratong light float event up and down the central beach (which I did not find) I took a stroll through Soi 6 again (only the second time I am here). And once again, it was rather depressing, especially compared to the Soi Bukhao area where I am preferring it. I did not force it, I guess I could have gone into some bar and sit there, and see what would happen, but walking by I was meeting mostly ignorant faces who looked away, or even rudely walked around me to invite some other dudes (presumably Japanese, because they held some Japanese signs.) I mean, I don't need to be excessively hollered at, that can be annoying too, but the ignorance and right out rudeness is rather annoying.[/QUOTE]Is not typically an Ocean event. The temple between soi 15 and Pattaya Tai was packed as they have a small lake.

I think soi 6 has been excellent recently. So many girls. How can you not have fun? Do you smile and buy them a drink?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2760718]Soi 6 advice.

1. Don't walk up and down Soi 6 multiple times on a daily basis. Girls recognize you pretty quickly as a non potential sex partner just like you recognize them.

2. This one is important. If you are seen walking up and down the soi with a guy known to the girls as a Cheap Charlie or a difficult customer, chances are very high the girl will ignore you moving forward. There was one pretty girl I liked who kept ignoring me. I was curious on why she was ignoring me and when I asked she said I'm with that cheap guy who never goes with a girl and just tries to get all girls go to his room for a lower rate. She turned out to be a great lay for 1000.

3. If you like a girl walk up to them and talk to them. It's free! Unless you look like Shrek or smell like Pepe Le Pew chances are that girl is willing to go with you. This is Pattaya. The average mongerer is not very good looking.

4. Some advice I need to take too. Don't walk Soi 6 at the speed of light like most guys do. Take your time. What's your rush? This is Pattaya with little else to do until gogo bars open at 7:30 or 8 pm. Remember many of these bars have an indoor section as well.

Finally, and likely most importantly, walk down the soi looking happy and have a smile on your face. So many guys expect girls to be all smiley at them yet the guy looks like his dog just died.

Remember lots of Soi 6 girls ask for 1500 or 2000 baht now on top of the 300 or 400 barfine and possible drinks. Always try to negotiate to 1000 or very close to that. If your main objective is boom boom get the prices first before buying lady drinks.[/QUOTE]Please no one take offenses.

In Thailand not only Mongers are not the Best Looking.

We are looked down upon.

Caste system, not accurate but you will get the point.

77. Bargirls.

85. Beach Road Girls.

93. Three legged Soi Dogs who Bite.

94. Regular Mongers.

95. IRREGULAR Mongers- those from the sub continent.

End.

1. Bank Tellers. LOL. Hahaha. Almost every Thai wants to be one.

The Den on Soi Chaiyapoon is closed. It looks like renovation is planned maybe with a new owner.

Lots of new bars close to opening, just in time for High Season.

Pattaya now looks pretty much the same as before Covid. When I flew into BKK, Immigration was jammed with arrivals. It is going to be busy in Pattaya soon.

I barfined a lady LT last night. At 6 am, she was desperate to leave, claiming she had to visit her family in Sattahip. I told her that minivans to Sattahip ran all day. No matter, she had to go.

Generally, when it's urgent for a lady to go, her boyfriend is beckoning her.

But, she was great last night, a budding new 3 holer. And horny in the jacuzzi, I had to escape when she wouldn't stop fucking me.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2760718]Soi 6 advice.

Finally, and likely most importantly, walk down the soi looking happy and have a smile on your face. So many guys expect girls to be all smiley at them yet the guy looks like his dog just died.
[/QUOTE]All your tips were very good and valid but this one, correctly described as most important, was absolutely on the money. Beats me why guys walk around looking so gloomy when enjoying the sights. It's possible to go too far the other way and my over-friendly winks, raised eyebrows or wide eyes to express being impressed with great tits etc is then met as a definite indication of interest and causes greater attention / pestering. But far better to engage with the ladies, smile, say Hi, etc It all costs nothing and lets the ladies know you are likely to be nice to them in the room. I miss Pattaya!

[QUOTE=XXL;2759699]Yes, girls in Thailand want to appear polite, they ALWAYS give you their LINE. To be precise, they give you some sort of LINE. Often a dead LINE account they give away to be shot of the man who asks. Even when they give their own LINE they don't answer messages. As a challenge try collecting 10 messages at night like this and see how many girls even read the "hello" message you send them.[/QUOTE]True.

Bargirls will chase Farangs if they are good looking and under 30. And if they don't already have a Thai boyfriend.

There are some in my condo building, and they are generally with a 10.

Crap! After last night's lady smashed me in a soapy bathtub last night, I have a sore dick. Which means I can't fuck the lady sleeping in my bed now. I should have stopped the lady in the tub after half and hour, but she seemed to be having too much fun.

The effects of High Season are showing: Pattaya traffic is horrible now, loads of pedestrians walking around Soi Buakhow, and ladies who ask to come see me are now asking for particular days to come, because they are getting booked up. Usually, it's "can I come today", because some customer bailed on them at the last minute.

When the ladies drink too much, they spill their guts about their bar, their co-workers, and customers. Its the exceptional bargirl who doesn't have a Thai boyfriend.

One other note: a lot of the ladies are sick. Many have ongoing coughing fits (probably a lingering symptom of Covid), but intestinal problems are rampant. If I charged 5 baht every time a lady used my toilet, I would be rich. But it would be a good thing to verify with a lady that I want to barfine that she isn't sick.

That time of the year!

Not Covid, this time of year it is consider winter although warm hot during the day it is cool in the morning and late at night. You can really tell the difference if you live on the Darkside. What I general noticed is Thais never been told wear a wind breaker. They go from hot to cold reason for all the colds.

Then again no education or readily medical available many due to their culture have gas reflex. Spicy food, calfaine and liquor are the main trigger,.

Yes, traffic is getting to be a nightmare even without the buses.

The journey to Thailand didn't go smoothly. My flight from Manchester was delayed for four hours, which meant touching down in Bangkok at 1. 40 pm. By the time I'd gone through immigration, taken a taxi to Pattaya and checked in it was 4. 30.

I'm staying at Vogue Pattaya, just off soi Lengkee. Agoda has got some good deals and I paid about 800 baht a night for my 23 night stay. My room is spacious and has everything I need, most notably a nice hard king size bed, a good shower and quiet air-con.

I panicked when I checked in because they handed me a laminated sheet with the rules (key deposit, no durian etc) and I noticed there was something about a '500 joiner fee'. The receptionist went on to explain lady guests were free but it was 500 baht per person thereafter.

After unpacking it was time to head out to meet my friend Sam. We met on the corner next to Subway and I was excited as we walked up soi Buakhao to see how many new bars have opened since I was here seven months ago. There was a nightclub called Bling, whose exterior decor lived up to its name, and new bars called Vixen and the amusingly named Booby Trap. There were more tourists and my initial impression is the quality and quantity of girls is vastly improved.

We turned on to Tree Town and began with a drink at Blue Sky Bar. It's a good place to catch up for a chat, with no ladydrink pressure and good views of the comings and goings on Tree Town. My LEO cost 80 baht. Next we went to one of Sam's new favourites, Area 52. There were several attractive young girls, late teens and early twenties, but an older girl wedged herself next to me with a tiny body. She proudly told us she was just 33 kilos and was wearing a see-through lacy number.

Not, who I bar-fined three times from French Kiss on my last trip, wasn't at the bar and neither was my favourite from at Lai. We went to Moonlight, my favourite bar last time around, but I didn't recognise any girls there. I was hoping to see Fah, who I never got chance to barfine last time, or the cute Ying, Mae Mae or Yaya. All of them had left. These bars have a quick turnaround of girls. My favourite was a short girl with big tits playing pool, who Sam told me he's been with several times.

Next we went to the beer bar complex next to Tree Town. Eight months ago pretty girls here were thin on the ground but Oh Bar had three cute girls. Sam bought a drink for his favourite and I was joined by a pretty young thing too, but she barely spoke a word of English and seemed shy. I bought myself some chicken, pork knuckle, egg and fried rice from a stall opposite for 80 baht and noticed that the dreadful Sexy Bar was still live-streaming, the girls performing in front of the camera while ignoring their real life customers.

By the time we got to Sweetheart, which is managed by a girl I met on my first ever trip to Pattaya, jetlag was catching up with me. I enviously eyed the couch next to me and thought I could be asleep within sixty seconds if I could just lie down. We had another drink in Annie Jacks before I decided to call it a night. Not only was I struggling to stay awake but I had a banging headache due to a sore neck I'd picked up on the long flight.

I got back to my room, feeling annoyed that Air France's flight delay had probably cost me a girl-free night, and almost immediately fell asleep.

But then something amusing happened.

I'd been asleep for about four hours when I woke with the most excruciating cramp in my right calf, no doubt caused by the long flight. It was eye-wateringly painful. Once the pain has subsided I checked the time and it was 2 am. I remembered that this is the time the gogo and beer bars close, so it could be a good time to secure a last-ditch hook-up. The cramp Gods had spoken.

After a fitness test, namely stretching my calf, I got changed and went for a wander. Girls were on the back of scooters, leaving their bars and freelancers lined soi Buakhao.

Although I enjoy fucking pretty girls, you can't beat a bit of sleaze. I loved the GB brothels in Delhi and visiting the infamous Jonquera in Cebu, where available girls line up next to a basketball court. There's just something exciting about street action.

I walked in to Tree Town, up soi Honey and back down soi Diana buy didn't see any girls to tempt me. I was deliberating heading back to my hotel when I heard 'hey where you go?' from the shadows. It was a plump blond with big natural tits. Her name was Lucky. I was sleepy and tired and just wanted a quick fuck.

Ten minutes later she was giving me a slurpy blowjob in my room, before riding me, her pendulous tits slapping me in the face. I fucked her doggy, then missionary with her feet in the air until I came. I think it's fair to say Lucky wouldn't win any beauty pageants but every hole's a goal and my trip was up-and-running.

Although jetlag and a headache had scuppered my chances of securing a hottie at one of the bars, I'd enjoyed my first night back in Pattaya. The bars are much busier than seven months ago and the talent levels are far higher.

'It's good to be back' I thought to myself as I drifted off in to a heavy sleep.

I was licking the pussy of some lady when she suddenly stopped me, claiming that she had cum, and she begged me not to touch her pussy. That was a big flashing red light for me, since I was worried she might want to end the session entirely. After about five minutes, she proceeded with a BBBJ, but I still suspected she was going to try to avoid fucking. But, after about 10 minutes, she hopped on and rode me to completion. Then it was my turn to beg her not to touch me. Since I had been using a condom, she accused me of not really cumming. Why she would worry about that, no idea. After a quick shower, I paid her off, expecting her to then dash out the door. But no, she sat on my sofa next to me, and after a few minutes, started rubbing my dick, and making noises about another round. Since I had 2 ladies coming soon, I walked her out the door (I pay them to leave, not for the sex), but not before she hit me up for another visit Real Soon Now.

In Real Life, if you make a lady cum, she will be really friendly for a while, but bargirls will pretend to cum, and then go about their business afterwards. No idea if this lady came or not. Some ladies don't like pussy licking, and will pretend to cum to get out of it.

Two ladies did come later, and after consuming mass amounts of tequila, they were both naked on my sofa. One was a veteran bargirl, the other was a factory girl with a Thai husband. I put some gel on the pussy of the older lady, and started rubbing her pussy, then turn her around to finger fuck her pussy, ending up doing the two fingered two hole in and out, while the younger lady watched with interest. Eventually, she claimed she had cum. Great. Then the other lady commented in Thai that she had cum with me before, trying to remember when, then saying it was two times, once in Bangkok, and once in Phuket. I remembered the time in Bangkok, because the older lady had finger fucked her to completion in our hotel. Then they had a discussion about sex with the Thai husband and how husband sex was often 1-2-3 finish because the husband was tired from work.

I would think the ladies enjoy extended foreplay when they are drunk, precisely because it may be rare for them. Anyway, I showed them the classic two lady approach of having one lady do a handjob, with my dick in the mouth of the other lady.

Tips for barfining ladies:

Before you pay the barfine, ask the lady if she is sick, or is having her period. If you don't, she may start hacking and wheezing, or running to the toilet every 10 minutes, once you are in the room.

Also, if you barfine her Long Time, ask what time she will leave in the morning. If you don't get a time commitment from her, once you have your first pop, she will tell you that her sister called, and she has to see her.

I once took a lady long time, we ate at a restaurant, and afterwards, once I had my first pop, she claimed she was allergic to beef, and had some beef by mistake in the restaurant, and had to see a doctor immediately. The reality was she wanted to see a Thai boy later that night. Anyway, for the next 4 years, any time we ate, she had to avoid eating beef in front of me. She finally gave up the pretense this year.

I like to start the day with breakfast at the Sports Lounge overlooking Tree Town. They have a 'supersaver' English breakfast for 119 baht, which includes a cup of tea and if you're lucky you can get stools overlooking soi Buakhao, a great people-watching spot.

After a leisurely breakfast I went for a massage at a place on soi Lengkee near my hotel as my neck and shoulder have been extremely sore after my flight. I picked an older girl as they tend to have better skills and the massage didn't disappoint. 250 baht well spent.

Feeling somewhat rejuvenated, I walked up soi Diana and flagged down a baht bus. It's 10 baht and you can hop on and off wherever you like on its loop up 2nd Road and back down Beach Road. My destination was the big mall, Terminal 21.

On my trip seven months ago I met a beautiful 21 year old non pay-for-play girl who worked at T21. We'd arranged to meet up for coffee near the end of my trip but I got covid so never had chance. I hoped I'd get my chance on this trip instead. I didn't know for a fact she'd still work at her little food shop though. Terminal 21 is big inside with areas themed on different countries. There's a huge Eiffel Tower on the ground floor, a Leaning Tower of Pisa and a Golden Gate Bridge. It was Sunday so the place was busy and there was some kind of fashion show on the ground floor. My winners were three girls wearing red PVC.

I approached her stall and she was there. Her eyes lit up and she waved enthusiastically, a promisingly warm welcome. She didn't just remember my face, she remembered my order and we chatted as I ate it. What a beautiful girl. She could easily work in one of the gogo bars. I think she has a Thai boyfriend though so I won't push anything with her, though she was flirty and keen to know how long I was staying in Pattaya.

I backtracked down 2nd Road, past the remnants of Drinking Street. A little further along I passed the soapy massage parlours Sabai Dee and Honey 2, which I'll certainly be visiting on this trip.

But for now my destination was one of the places I always look forward to visiting most, soi 6. So many bars have opened since March and the number of girls has doubled, maybe tripled. I walked down the centre of the road, returning smiles to all of the Hello, hansum's and drew up a mental shortlist of my favourite girls. I saw a short blond girl in a bar where all of the girls wore cheerleading outfits and spotted a girl in Smoke & Kisses who gave me the best blowjob of my last trip.

I decided to go in to a bar near the Beach Road end called Wrath as there was a pretty, skinny girl with hair down to her waist. I bought her a ladydrink and and told me she was 19. The room upstairs was 500 baht and although she quoted 1500, she immediately accepted my counter-offer of 1000 'plus tip if you make me smile'.

She led me up two flights of stairs to a sparse room that wouldn't score highly on TripAdvisor. As we showered I admired her perfect body. She was tall and slim with beautiful pert tits and the small jewel in her belly button twinkled in the gloomy light. She gave me a handjob as we kissed, then a nice blowjob before we fucked, ticking off the holy trinity of three positions, missionary, doggy and cowgirl to finish. I got her Line details before I left as she could be a good daytime meet. Her shift at Wrath is from 4 pm - 2 am.

I barely had chance to get changed before it was time to head out for another night on Tree Town. We started at Area 51, opposite LK Metropole, as Sam has a girl in there he likes. It's a nice bar with some attractive older girls.

After exchanging £200 in to baht at one of the yellow money exchangers on soi Buakhao, we headed to Blue Sky Bar, always a good place for a quiet drink. It's a well run bar with girls with good attitudes, and if you're lucky a bell will ring and it's free drinks all round. We stayed there for three beers, punctuated by a quick trip to McDonalds.

Last trip the bars opposite, like Cosy Bar, were dead but now there are plenty of girls. I spotted a lovely looking girl with soft, almost Indian features outside Buddy Bar. She gave me a smile so I'll definitely give her bar a visit some time.

Next we went to Escape, a gogo bar right in the heart of Tree Town. There were five girls dancing topless on stage and one more completely naked in the jacuzzi area. Although the quality of girls was lacking, it was a thrill to be back in a gogo bar with girls dancing. The air-con was cool, so there were a lot of erect nipples on show, the girls dancing animatedly to keep warm.

As always, waiting for the second dance shift can yield rewards. A pretty girl in a red lacy number smiled to me repeatedly from the stage. I'd have invited her down for a drink but I'd noticed her sat with a customer earlier and there was still a full vodka orange sat in front of the empty seat next to him.

We stayed in Oh Bar for a few drinks, where I had my backside well and truly whipped by a girl at Connect 4. At one point she flashed me her tits to distract me and sure enough I fell for her underhand tactics and lost next move.

We decided to visit some of the gogo bars on soi LK Metro. We started at Sugar Sugar, where there were definitely some sweet girls (see what I did there? I went to the toilet and as I left was caught in the middle of a dance shift change, where all of the topless girls were crowding to get on the stage. There were lots of sexy bodies on show but I couldn't resist buying a drink for a pretty little thing with the kind of cute innocence I like. Unusually, she didn't have a single tattoo. She was very tactile and giggly, and was very proud of her freshly shaved pussy as she kept lifting her knickers to show me it. Not so innocent after all!

If I was my own, I would have bar-fined her but I was keen to see some of the other bars. We went in to Queen, one of the biggest bars in LK Metro but oddly, despite the fact the place was packed with customers with barely a free seat, only three girls were dancing.

Sam chose next and we went in to Slutz, the gogo which wins the prize for the worst name. The talent was fairly average but I did exchange a lot of smiles with a cute girl on the sidelines. However, Sam enquired about barfine prices and they are crazy - 1500 baht, or 2000 for a 'coyote dancer' (there was a coyote dancer sat nearby, blond hair, big tits, average face). Why pay 2000 to barfine an average girl like her when far prettier girls can be found elsewhere for a fraction of the price? Sam registered our disapproval to the waitress, who laughed in agreement.

Earlier in the night I'd had an amusing conversation with Sam in which I told him I'd like to spice things up on this trip by taking different types of girls from my usual slim, petite, cute type. For example, a girl with blue hair, a girl with the biggest natural tits I can find, a girl with glasses etc. In Slutz I saw a girl with half blue, half pink hair and the thickest Harry Potter glasses I've ever seen! Three for the price of one! But sadly not at those prices.

I've had some good times in Crystal Club and bar-fined two beautiful girls from there, Aom and Dan. Although it was busy, we didn't see any girls to set our pulses racing, so went to Destiny, where the lineup was fairly average. Don't get me wrong, both bars have nice girls but the barfine at both is 1500 before midnight and 1000 after, so you'd expect some honeys.

For reference, the beer prices seem to be 120 baht in the gogo bars, 80/90 in the beer bars.

It was 1 am so Sam decided to go off and barfine his little chicken from Oh Bar. I couldn't stomach another beer and suddenly felt very tired again so decided to try my luck on soi Pothole, where I was lured in to Inferno by a very cute girl dancing on the front step.

I sat down but just as I was about to ask the cute girl if she'd like a drink, she sat with a customer I hadn't noticed. Instead I was joined by a girl in her early thirties, who was quite good fun. I said I'd buy her a drink if she kissed me on the cheek but as she leaned in I turned my head and got a kiss on the lips. She took this as an invitation to deep French kiss me and boy, could she kiss. I've never met such a passionate kisser. For 20 minutes I thought I was in a gents club with all the groping and kissing. I couldn't resist paying her bar-fine as she was a guaranteed wild time. It was 500 baht and she asked for 1500 short time, but accepted 1000 plus tip.

As predicted it was a wild, passionate session. She gave me a skilled blowjob and then we threw each other around the bed, ticking off position after position. She seemed to enjoy reverse cowgirl and rode me to a hot, sweaty climax.

It had been a good day. I'd met the Terminal 21 girl, fucked a cutie on soi 6 and ended with a passionate session.

[QUOTE=XXL;2759699]Yes, girls in Thailand want to appear polite, they ALWAYS give you their LINE. To be precise, they give you some sort of LINE. Often a dead LINE account they give away to be shot of the man who asks. Even when they give their own LINE they don't answer messages. As a challenge try collecting 10 messages at night like this and see how many girls even read the "hello" message you send them.[/QUOTE]Yes, and that's why I always try to politely go a step further than that at the time.

Once I have their LINE account and add it as they've asked, I then open chat and ask to take a selfie of the two of us and send it to them in the chat.

I add a flirty comment like they're likely asked so many times, that this will help them remember who I am tomorrow.

Like you said, it doesn't always work, but it stands out int he crowd.

If I disappear the next day from their desire to communicate, then so be it.

And it also helps me, as often their LINE accounts don't have any photos.

So when I look at it the next day, the photo lets me know who it was and when it was, sometimes even where it was.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2761587]We went in to Queen, one of the biggest bars in LK Metro but oddly, despite the fact the place was packed with customers with barely a free seat, only three girls were dancing.[/QUOTE]I always appreciate your reports Sir Lancelot. I have a question for you or anyone else here about Queen. I visited a few months ago with a friend and we were initially impressed with the talent. As our visit wore on he and I were both concerned a number of the dancers were ladyboys or post-ops. I even asked a waitress about it and she smiled and said yes. I have never heard anybody report that Queen had LBs. Does Queen have LBs? We thought most of the dancers that night were LBs.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2761296]The journey to Thailand didn't go smoothly. My flight from Manchester was delayed for four hours,[/QUOTE]I thought Manchester to Bangkok directly ended years ago? Who did you fly with? Nice reports.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2761587]I like to start the day with breakfast at the Sports Lounge overlooking Tree Town. They have a 'supersaver' English breakfast for 119 baht, which includes a cup of tea and if you're lucky you can get stools overlooking soi Buakhao, a great people-watching spot.[/QUOTE]Great TR Sir L. Well written and action packed. I can't wait to read the next installment. Keep having fun!

In my last post, I advised to make sure that the lady isn't sick before you pay her barfine. As I was writing the post, my barfine showed up 2 hours early, and, as I found out, had been drinking all night. Couldn't do anything, so I sent her home. Fortunately, she had another lady with her. But that lady couldn't speak English, so I messaged one of my standby ladies, who showed up quick quick.

After tequila was consumed, we were all in bed, and after some X rated activities, I decided to finish with one lady doing a HJ into the mouth of the other lady, same as the previous day.

A lady friend of mine messaged me while she was having a crisis: she had a customer who had committed to a one month barfine, but, a week in, she was not happy. He was a cheap Charlie, and now wanted to fuck her ass. So, she wanted to bail on him. Since I am taking 2 ladies abroad for a week, I told her she could stay at my place. If she does bail on her customer and come to my place, even though I have ladies scheduled to come today, she would fit right in with them. She does like to play with other ladies.

My point here is to repeat with the good ladies, but don't book them for consecutive days. Even if you are in Pattaya for 2 weeks, you will get more mileage from a lady if you go with her sporadically rather than for a bloc of days. She will work harder once you are a repeat customer.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2761780]I thought Manchester to Bangkok directly ended years ago? Who did you fly with? Nice reports.[/QUOTE]If you took time to read the report he did say Air France. It usually means stop in Paris usually.

Today would prove to be very eventful with a very enjoyable, albeit inexplicable, ending.

But it started slowly. Lie-in, breakfast and then back to bed for three hours to fight off jetlag. Before I drifted off I sent a few speculative Line messages and was vaguely aware of my phone pinging as I slept.

When I woke up I checked my phone and I'd received a message from the lovely Nat, who I met in French Kiss seven months ago and barfined three times. She told me she no longer works in a bar but seemed keen to meet anyway. Another beautiful girl I met on my last trip was Jen from Joy Bar. She told me she no longer worked there and sent me a photo of the bar she now works at. I didn't recognise it so asked her which street it is on and she replied by sending an animation of a duck with love hearts. Communicating with Thai girls can be hard work at times!

It was nearly time to meet Sam so I decided to have a quick shave. I used a cheap razor I'd bought and after several strokes saw blood mixing with the foam. By the time I finished and headed out, I looked like I'd been in a fight with a ladyboy and lost, with three cuts on my face.

In these diaries I like to give you a completely honest version of events, and so far on this trip I've had jetlag, a migraine, a dodgy stomach, got woken by excruciating cramp and now I've cut myself shaving. I've only been here three days!

We had a few drinks at Blue Sky Bar and I bought two pork skewers from a street vendor (20 b) then some pineapple (20 b) as my mouth was on fire from a chilli I'd eaten. As I was eating it, my phone pinged with a message from Jen, telling me where her bar was. It was very nearby, so I walked the short distance to it.

I saw her sat at a stool at the front and, no exaggeration, she screamed, jumped to her feet and ran at me like Usain Bolt and gave me a bone-crunching hug. She looked fabulous and was dressed sexily too, in tracksuit bottoms and a crop-top which showed off her curvy figure. Without wanting to sound too much like a Pattaya fashion correspondent, she was rocking the urban chic look.

I must admit, I was shocked at how smily and warm she was with me. Seven months ago she was painfully shy and barely spoke a word of English, but now she was confident and bubbly and spoke conversational English. I told her we'd come back to her bar later.

The night before I'd spotted a cute girl at Buddy Bar, so we went there next and I bought her a drink. She has dark skin and soft, almost Indian facial features which made her look different to other girls. She barely spoke any English but with the help of a waitress as translator, I managed to ascertain she was 19. Despite the language barrier she seemed good fun, so is a definite maybe for later in the trip.

We went to Jen's bar next but she wasn't there. 'She go eat' said a waitress. Eat what I wondered.

Area 52 has one of the best collection of girls in Tree Town if my first three days on this trip is anything to go by. A very cute little thing in torn jeans was sat on the next table, a tall, pretty girl gave me a smile as she walked past and a girl with pink braids also caught my eye.

The bar opposite was luring customers in with 'draught beer 49 baht' placards. I looked closely but couldn't see a pump at the bar. Is 'draught beer' Thai-speak for leftovers from bottles of Chang and LEO?

Sam and I both hopped on to the back of a motorbike taxi and five minutes later were stepping beneath the Walking Street sign. On my last visit it was quiet with lots of bars closed but now it felt exciting again with Hello, girls lining the street and music blaring.

The first bar we visited was Dolls, which had ten girls dancing, all topless. Facially none were more than 7/10 but there were lots of sexy young bodies on show, worth the 155 baht price for a beer. Sam bought a ladydrink for a very flat-chested skinny girl and I spotted a sexy girl with red braided hair, but she was with a customer.

Two tips for gogo bars. Firstly, always wait around to see the second dance shift and secondly make sure you take a trip to the toilet. It gives you a good chance to survey the talent and I saw two cuties near the cashier desk, one of which gave me a little wave.

When we left Sam explained he'd enquired about the barfine and was told 1750. It's almost as if some of these bars don't want their girls to go with customers and just get drinks. Which leads me to golden rule number 3 when visiting gogo bars, learn to politely decline ladydrink requests, unless you really like the girl.

Bliss had a similar layout and a better selection of girls in my opinion. Ten topless girls were dancing, all wearing cat ears, but I opted to call over a very pretty girl with a sexy hourglass figure and offered her a drink. My ladyboy radar is appalling and as soon as she spoke I realised I had a ladyboy sat on my knee! She was good fun though and definitely not shy, taking my hand and placing it on her right boob. Yep, definitely fake.

Two girls selling tequila shots magically appeared in front of me. I must have shaken my head eight times before they finally gave up. The bar-fine in here is 1500 for girls with green wristbands bands and 2000 for those with black wristbands. In my opinion those with green were prettier but for 1500 I'd expect creme de la creme.

Sam was keen to show me Frogland, where Simon's Complex used to be. It's fantastic inside with bars either side leading down to a brightly illuminated DJ booth. The music, lighting and lasers look fantastic and a lot of money has been spent on the place. The massive 10 meter ceiling fan cost 300,000 baht alone. But the place has one major problem. Lack of girls. Most bars and had two or three. It's now a place to take a girl rather than meet one in my opinion.

We went to Over Beach Bar, where there was a familiar face, a girl I barfined from Blue Sky Bar on my last trip. She looked great. Her hair had waves and highlights and she wore a T-shirt and tight jeans that showed off her sexy figure. The bar-fine here is 500 baht but there were only two girls.

Next we went to Utopia as Sam wanted to introduce me to the owner for some reason. There were hardly any girls there but even if there were, the barfine here is a ridiculous 1500 baht.

We went to Fahrenheit next and appropriately things got a little heated. Sam gets too bolshy when he's drunk and he called me a 'pussy' for ordering a soft drink and a 'disappointment' because I wasn't buying enough ladydrinks for his liking. When I told him he was irritating me he stormed off.

As it turned out I did buy a drink for a pretty girl called Ta. She was very smily and had a lovely face but when I enquired about the barfine a sour-faced waitress told me 1500. It was too much and when the waitress realised she said 'you want pay barfine now? If not, customer over there wants to pay barfine'. I shook my head at the bossy waitress and watched as Ta got up on stage, no other customer in sight.

I decided to leave Walking Street. Although I'd enjoyed visiting the gogo bars the barfine prices are very off-putting. On the bright side, lots of the girls are nice to look at and there is lots of topless dancing.

Sweeping generalisation I know, but I reckon 18-25 year olds work on Walking Street, whereas LK Metro is where you'll find girls 26 and over.

It was 1 am when I took a baht bus back to soi Diana. My intention was to find a girl on Tree Town. The young pretty girl at Buddy Bar was sat on her own but I decided she was one to take my time with. She spoke no English and I didn't want to go through the charade of communicating via a translator. I saw a pretty girl at Slutz but when I returned a ten minutes later after I'd completed my recce, she was with a customer. You snooze you lose in Pattaya.

Then something happened which I found inexplicable.

Walking along soi Buakhao I was stopped in my tracks by a pretty girl with braces and the biggest natural tits I've ever seen on a Thai woman. At first I thought they must be fake but when she got near they jiggled enticingly. Hello I said.

'You want go room with me?' she asked.

'I go with, 1000 baht' she said before I had chance to answer. The only doubt in my mind was she was a ladyboy but I dismissed the thought as her breasts looked too natural and wobbly. We walked hand-in-hand back to my hotel and when her clothes fell to the floor she was definitely all woman. Her tits were huge.

She looked like a pornstar and gave a pornstar performance, spitting on my dick before hungrily sucking away with lots of theatrical mmms. We had some frantic sex before I took the condom off and she gave me a tit-wank until I shot my load over her prize assets.

What a gem to find. I'd spent all night on Walking Street where it would cost 1500 plus 2500 to fuck a girl of her quality (who would get barfined every night with tits that big), yet I'd paid a quarter of the price after our chance encounter.

Sometimes you just need to be in the right place at the right time in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2761852]The bar-fine in here is 1500 for girls with green wristbands bands and 2000 for those with black wristbands. In my opinion those with green were prettier.[/QUOTE]Something I often see in the soapies. To me there is no rhyme or reason why the separate the chicks into different price categories. Can be a good looking cheaper one and a bad looking expensive one.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2761852]Sam gets too bolshy when he's drunk and he called me a 'pussy' for ordering a soft drink and a 'disappointment' because I wasn't buying enough ladydrinks for his liking. When I told him he was irritating me he stormed off.[/QUOTE]LOL. Remember I was fucking with you your last trip saying there was no need to buy all those drinks for chicks. If they are going to fuck then they are going to fuck. Looks like you caught on, but Sam is still stuck in those ways.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2761852]Sweeping generalisation I know, but I reckon 18-25 year olds work on Walking Street, whereas LK Metro is where you'll find girls 26 and over.[/QUOTE]Actually chicks have to be at least 20 to work in the bars. Of course we are all aware there are many that are not old enough doing so.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2761852]Then something happened which I found inexplicable. Walking along soi Buakhao I was stopped in my tracks by a pretty girl with braces and the biggest natural tits I've ever seen on a Thai woman. At first I thought they must be fake but when she got near they jiggled enticingly. Hello I said.

'You want go room with me?' she asked.

'I go with, 1000 baht' she said before I had chance to answer.

She looked like a pornstar and gave a pornstar performance, What a gem to find. I'd spent all night on Walking Street where it would cost 1500 plus 2500 to fuck a girl of her quality (who would get barfined every night with tits that big), yet I'd paid a quarter of the price after our chance encounter.[/QUOTE]Actually this is very explicable. This is what Pattaya is all about for me. I have always said there is no need to go to bars paying for expensive bar fines and lady drinks. There are tons of great chicks that you will encounter just being out and about and 1000 baht almost always gets you in there. And this shot you did not even have to negotiate it! Great reports.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2761852]Today would prove to be very eventful with a very enjoyable, albeit inexplicable, ending.

But it started slowly. Lie-in, breakfast and then back to bed for three hours to fight off jetlag. Before I drifted off I sent a few speculative Line messages and was vaguely aware of my phone pinging as I slept.

When I woke up I checked my phone and I'd received a message from the lovely Nat, who I met in French Kiss seven months ago and barfined three times. She told me she no longer works in a bar but seemed keen to meet anyway. Another beautiful girl I met on my last trip was Jen from Joy Bar. She told me she no longer worked there and sent me a photo of the bar she now works at. I didn't recognise it so asked her which street it is on and she replied by sending an animation of a duck with love hearts. Communicating with Thai girls can be hard work at times!

It was nearly time to meet Sam so I decided to have a quick shave. I used a cheap razor I'd bought and after several strokes saw blood mixing with the foam. By the time I finished and headed out, I looked like I'd been in a fight with a ladyboy and lost, with three cuts on my face.

In these diaries I like to give you a completely honest version of events, and so far on this trip I've had jetlag, a migraine, a dodgy stomach, got woken by excruciating cramp and now I've cut myself shaving. I've only been here three days!

We had a few drinks at Blue Sky Bar and I bought two pork skewers from a street vendor (20 b) then some pineapple (20 b) as my mouth was on fire from a chilli I'd eaten. As I was eating it, my phone pinged with a message from Jen, telling me where her bar was. It was very nearby, so I walked the short distance to it.

I saw her sat at a stool at the front and, no exaggeration, she screamed, jumped to her feet and ran at me like Usain Bolt and gave me a bone-crunching hug. She looked fabulous and was dressed sexily too, in tracksuit bottoms and a crop-top which showed off her curvy figure. Without wanting to sound too much like a Pattaya fashion correspondent, she was rocking the urban chic look.

I must admit, I was shocked at how smily and warm she was with me. Seven months ago she was painfully shy and barely spoke a word of English, but now she was confident and bubbly and spoke conversational English. I told her we'd come back to her bar later.

The night before I'd spotted a cute girl at Buddy Bar, so we went there next and I bought her a drink. She has dark skin and soft, almost Indian facial features which made her look different to other girls. She barely spoke any English but with the help of a waitress as translator, I managed to ascertain she was 19. Despite the language barrier she seemed good fun, so is a definite maybe for later in the trip.

We went to Jen's bar next but she wasn't there. 'She go eat' said a waitress. Eat what I wondered.

Area 52 has one of the best collection of girls in Tree Town if my first three days on this trip is anything to go by. A very cute little thing in torn jeans was sat on the next table, a tall, pretty girl gave me a smile as she walked past and a girl with pink braids also caught my eye.

The bar opposite was luring customers in with 'draught beer 49 baht' placards. I looked closely but couldn't see a pump at the bar. Is 'draught beer' Thai-speak for leftovers from bottles of Chang and LEO?

Sam and I both hopped on to the back of a motorbike taxi and five minutes later were stepping beneath the Walking Street sign. On my last visit it was quiet with lots of bars closed but now it felt exciting again with Hello, girls lining the street and music blaring.

The first bar we visited was Dolls, which had ten girls dancing, all topless. Facially none were more than 7/10 but there were lots of sexy young bodies on show, worth the 155 baht price for a beer. Sam bought a ladydrink for a very flat-chested skinny girl and I spotted a sexy girl with red braided hair, but she was with a customer.

Two tips for gogo bars. Firstly, always wait around to see the second dance shift and secondly make sure you take a trip to the toilet. It gives you a good chance to survey the talent and I saw two cuties near the cashier desk, one of which gave me a little wave.

When we left Sam explained he'd enquired about the barfine and was told 1750. It's almost as if some of these bars don't want their girls to go with customers and just get drinks. Which leads me to golden rule number 3 when visiting gogo bars, learn to politely decline ladydrink requests, unless you really like the girl.

Bliss had a similar layout and a better selection of girls in my opinion. Ten topless girls were dancing, all wearing cat ears, but I opted to call over a very pretty girl with a sexy hourglass figure and offered her a drink. My ladyboy radar is appalling and as soon as she spoke I realised I had a ladyboy sat on my knee! She was good fun though and definitely not shy, taking my hand and placing it on her right boob. Yep, definitely fake.

Two girls selling tequila shots magically appeared in front of me. I must have shaken my head eight times before they finally gave up. The bar-fine in here is 1500 for girls with green wristbands bands and 2000 for those with black wristbands. In my opinion those with green were prettier but for 1500 I'd expect creme de la creme.

Sam was keen to show me Frogland, where Simon's Complex used to be. It's fantastic inside with bars either side leading down to a brightly illuminated DJ booth. The music, lighting and lasers look fantastic and a lot of money has been spent on the place. The massive 10 meter ceiling fan cost 300,000 baht alone. But the place has one major problem. Lack of girls. Most bars and had two or three. It's now a place to take a girl rather than meet one in my opinion.

We went to Over Beach Bar, where there was a familiar face, a girl I barfined from Blue Sky Bar on my last trip. She looked great. Her hair had waves and highlights and she wore a T-shirt and tight jeans that showed off her sexy figure. The bar-fine here is 500 baht but there were only two girls.

Next we went to Utopia as Sam wanted to introduce me to the owner for some reason. There were hardly any girls there but even if there were, the barfine here is a ridiculous 1500 baht.

We went to Fahrenheit next and appropriately things got a little heated. Sam gets too bolshy when he's drunk and he called me a 'pussy' for ordering a soft drink and a 'disappointment' because I wasn't buying enough ladydrinks for his liking. When I told him he was irritating me he stormed off.

As it turned out I did buy a drink for a pretty girl called Ta. She was very smily and had a lovely face but when I enquired about the barfine a sour-faced waitress told me 1500. It was too much and when the waitress realised she said 'you want pay barfine now? If not, customer over there wants to pay barfine'. I shook my head at the bossy waitress and watched as Ta got up on stage, no other customer in sight.

I decided to leave Walking Street. Although I'd enjoyed visiting the gogo bars the barfine prices are very off-putting. On the bright side, lots of the girls are nice to look at and there is lots of topless dancing.

Sweeping generalisation I know, but I reckon 18-25 year olds work on Walking Street, whereas LK Metro is where you'll find girls 26 and over.

It was 1 am when I took a baht bus back to soi Diana. My intention was to find a girl on Tree Town. The young pretty girl at Buddy Bar was sat on her own but I decided she was one to take my time with. She spoke no English and I didn't want to go through the charade of communicating via a translator. I saw a pretty girl at Slutz but when I returned a ten minutes later after I'd completed my recce, she was with a customer. You snooze you lose in Pattaya.

Then something happened which I found inexplicable.

Walking along soi Buakhao I was stopped in my tracks by a pretty girl with braces and the biggest natural tits I've ever seen on a Thai woman. At first I thought they must be fake but when she got near they jiggled enticingly. Hello I said.

'You want go room with me?' she asked.

'I go with, 1000 baht' she said before I had chance to answer. The only doubt in my mind was she was a ladyboy but I dismissed the thought as her breasts looked too natural and wobbly. We walked hand-in-hand back to my hotel and when her clothes fell to the floor she was definitely all woman. Her tits were huge.

She looked like a pornstar and gave a pornstar performance, spitting on my dick before hungrily sucking away with lots of theatrical mmms. We had some frantic sex before I took the condom off and she gave me a tit-wank until I shot my load over her prize assets.

What a gem to find. I'd spent all night on Walking Street where it would cost 1500 plus 2500 to fuck a girl of her quality (who would get barfined every night with tits that big), yet I'd paid a quarter of the price after our chance encounter.

Sometimes you just need to be in the right place at the right time in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]An Agogo girl wants to get Barfined but works Walking Street. Business model set up so you don't get Barfined.

I don't get it. Go work someplace else Girl.

I don't buy Girls happy selling Drinks. $2. 00 commish per drink. One Barfine $75.00.

You do the math.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2761852]Sometimes you just need to be in the right place at the right time in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Lance, clean out your inbox.

Again for the 55th time. Principally- No Soapy prices their girl based on Probability of customer having a good time.

Girls are priced solely on Attractive -ness. Sometimes they make mistakes. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Sammon;2761791]If you took time to read the report he did say Air France. It usually means stop in Paris usually.[/QUOTE]I did read his report (s) and complimented them. I read Air France but there was no mention of a change or stop over and moreover he commented upon his flight (singular) being late.

Whichever it was - no need for your barb which (given my compliments on the great reports) was uncalled for, so chill your beans.

After breakfast I went for a foot massage. I intended to go to a massage-with-extras place but didn't see any girls to my liking. The prettiest was Nico from Paradise who I fucked seven months ago.

Evening came around quickly and we started at the amusingly named Booby Trap. I got served by a pretty little thing with big boobs. Was it a trap? I bought her a drink and she was great. Pretty, lots of fun, a definite candidate for a barfine. Beer here cost only 70 baht, cheapest yet.

Vice City next door had a collection of older girls but one pretty younger one who was wearing a blue dress. You'd think she'd be sat out front to lure customers in but instead it was the older girls. One of them was very loud, shouting 'I suck your cock' across the road to passing farang, like she was the only person offering that service in Pattaya. Beer here was also 70 baht.

I saw a familiar face in a bar along soi Buakhao, the Norwegian guy I shared a taxi with from the airport. He invited me in for a drink and I realised it was Fantasy, a ladyboy bar. We had a catch-up and my sang som and coke cost 60 baht.

Continuing up the road we turned left on to Tree Town and had a few drinks at Blue Sky Bar. We were joined by my friend from England, Owen, and his friend Bob, who had arrived in Thailand earlier that day. Owen is a veteran of many trips to Thailand but this was his first for several years, so I was keen to show him Tree Town.

We went to Area 52 next which has a good collection of younger girls. The prettiest always seems to be sat with the same Korean. My favourite is a tall, skinny girl who gave me a few surreptitious smiles when her customer wasn't looking. Although I like this bar, it's surrounded by three bars where three bands were playing rock music, so it just blended in to one almighty din.

Owen has always been a fan of traditional style beer beer complexes like Simon's or Drinking Street, so we went to the beer bars to the side of Tree Town and our favourite, Oh Bar. I bought a drink for a lovely girl, with the killer combo of fresh-faced innocence and big tits. I'd have bar-fined her there and then but the night was young and I was keen to show Owen more bars as it was his first night.

Sweetheart Bar has mainly got older girls but I did spot one younger who had a pretty face. Sam explained that he'd bar-fined her years ago and have since fallen out, which might explain her frosty demeanour. Next we went to Candy Club, where a Thai band were playing and lots of girls were dancing. I've noticed pretty girls in here in the past, so maybe it's got freelance pickup potential.

On we marched to French Kiss and then to the bar Jen works at nearby. She was the gorgeous girl I bar-fined from Joy Bar on my last trip. Back then she was timid and hardly spoke a word of English but now she's confident and speaks conversational English. Back then I asked her if she likes to dance and she said no but tonight she broke out in to sexy dance moves each time a hip-hop song started. The evolution of a bar girl. She's still got the same pretty face, dazzling smile and fantastic body, so I'm sure I'll pay her barfine at some point on this trip.

I played pool against her twice and won despite my best efforts to lose, because she had a nasty habit of inadvertently potting the black.

Tonight was some kind of national Thai celebration, so there were lots more Thai people out. We saw a Thai band playing at Jasmine and lots of girls dancing, so stopped there for a drink. I got dragged up to dance and spent the next hour dancing in turns with about 10 girls. The most enthusiastic dancers were the older, plump ones, but I also danced with a few pretty girls, one of whom was the waitress. It was lots of fun and before I knew it the time was 2. 30 and everywhere else was closed. The girls suddenly started pushing each other in to a paddling pool and laughing hysterically. Thai girls definitely know how to party.

The guys had drifted off one by one while I was doing my John Travolta impression. First to leave was Sam, who bar-fined his cute girl from Oh Bar. They went to an all-you-can-eat buffet and he ate too much so was in no fit state for boom boom afterwards! Owen met up with a girl he knows on soi Pothole and as for Bob, let's just say 'status unknown'.

Although I didn't go with a girl I'd had a great night. It was great to see Owen again, we'd been to lots of bars and ended up partying with some crazy Thai women. One of them walked down soi Buakhao with me afterwards and invited me to her room. She was a nice looking older girl but I was tired and needed my bed.

This is more than enough reason never to visit Thailand again. I don't know what sort of a kink you guys getting out of these women without feeling their internal skin. As someone who is used to raw dogging, it appears Thailand has no value to me. Over the years, Thailand has become more racist due to the fact westerners owning the bars. This is something I felt compared to my last visit in 2015. It has something to do with Indian mongers I guess. It impacted Latino and other brown Asian mongers with beard. But it's obvious who is behind the scene and pushing racism. It's those people owning the bars. This is some issue all brown mongers should address before it's too late. Cheers.

This is more than enough reason never to visit Thailand again. I don't know what sort of a kink you guys getting out of these women without feeling their internal skin. As someone who is used to raw dogging, it appears Thailand has no value to me. Over the years, Thailand has become more racist due to the fact westerners owning the bars. This is something I felt compared to my last visit in 2015. It has something to do with Indian mongers I guess. It impacted Latino and other brown Asian mongers with beard. But it's obvious who is behind the scene and pushing racism. It's those people owning the bars. This is some issue all brown mongers should address before it's too late.

[QUOTE=SGK45;2762272] But it's obvious who is behind the scene and pushing racism. It's those people owning the bars. This is some issue all brown mongers should address before it's too late.[/QUOTE]I call bullshit. Thai people are kinda racist. Thats for sure. Most Thai don't like Indians. The way they smell, the amount they are willing to pay etc etc.

Of course this affects ALL Indians. Same goes for races or people from certain countries.

That some barowners are assholes? Yeah of course. The amount of alpha-males in Pattaya is skyhigh. Thats why everybody fucks for hours and many guys think they are the best thing since slides bread.

But blaming the white farang is kinda racist from you mate.

90-99% Indians behave like scavengers anywhere they go. Be it within India or abroad. I don't like the Indians coming to my place to visit either and of course people overcharge Indians because when you got to deal with people you don't want around you.

So stop your complaining and get on with it. Stop acting like cheap scavengers and maybe people wouldn't want to tell you to piss off all the time.

[QUOTE=SGK45;2762272]This is more than enough reason never to visit Thailand again. I don't know what sort of a kink you guys getting out of these women without feeling their internal skin. As someone who is used to raw dogging, it appears Thailand has no value to me. Over the years, Thailand has become more racist due to the fact westerners owning the bars. This is something I felt compared to my last visit in 2015. It has something to do with Indian mongers I guess. It impacted Latino and other brown Asian mongers with beard. But it's obvious who is behind the scene and pushing racism. It's those people owning the bars. This is some issue all brown mongers should address before it's too late.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SGK45;2762272]This is more than enough reason never to visit Thailand again. I don't know what sort of a kink you guys getting out of these women without feeling their internal skin. As someone who is used to raw dogging, it appears Thailand has no value to me. Over the years, Thailand has become more racist due to the fact westerners owning the bars. This is something I felt compared to my last visit in 2015. It has something to do with Indian mongers I guess. It impacted Latino and other brown Asian mongers with beard. But it's obvious who is behind the scene and pushing racism. It's those people owning the bars. This is some issue all brown mongers should address before it's too late.[/QUOTE]I'm brown with a beard (not Indian) and I don't recall experiencing any racism of this sort in Thailand. I smell good, I'm respectful and I like a good deal but I'm not cheap.

When it comes to dating and pay for play do Thai and Asian girls in general prefer white men over other races? Yes. It is what it is, deal with it. If one doesn't show you interest than move onto to the next. Ultimately, we're mongers, so a girl's preference in skin color shouldn't matter because you're paying for it. As long as you don't smell, are respectful and carry yourself well and are willing to pay a fair price, 90 plus percent of Thai working girls will have no problem getting smashed by you.

It's clear it wasn't a good trip for you.

I too have noticed creeping anti Indian sentiment worldwide as more Indians migrate and travel everywhere in the world. It used to be the yellow peril but now it's the brown peril. I think politically we are seen as easy targets, mostly due to cultural differences and experiences. Many brown mongers report no issues but often they are those who live in the west.

That said don't give up on Thailand. Thailand is generally speaking a pretty accepting country. Maybe the girls you picked have preconceived notions about indians but by carrying your grudges it'll only make it harder for you (what you feel becomes what you think, what you think becomes what you see).

Also don't expect a dot of sympathy here. This is an western board where the majority of vocal users are from USA Australia or Europe and they will only agree with the girls and provide generalisations of why Indians are the worst people in the world.

[QUOTE=SGK45;2762272]This is more than enough reason never to visit Thailand again. I don't know what sort of a kink you guys getting out of these women without feeling their internal skin. As someone who is used to raw dogging, it appears Thailand has no value to me. Over the years, Thailand has become more racist due to the fact westerners owning the bars. This is something I felt compared to my last visit in 2015. It has something to do with Indian mongers I guess. It impacted Latino and other brown Asian mongers with beard. But it's obvious who is behind the scene and pushing racism. It's those people owning the bars. This is some issue all brown mongers should address before it's too late.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SGK45;2762272]This is more than enough reason never to visit Thailand again. I don't know what sort of a kink you guys getting out of these women without feeling their internal skin. As someone who is used to raw dogging, it appears Thailand has no value to me. Over the years, Thailand has become more racist due to the fact westerners owning the bars. This is something I felt compared to my last visit in 2015. It has something to do with Indian mongers I guess. It impacted Latino and other brown Asian mongers with beard. But it's obvious who is behind the scene and pushing racism. It's those people owning the bars. This is some issue all brown mongers should address before it's too late.[/QUOTE]It's nothing to do with the bar owners. Non-westernized Indian mongers who travel behave like savages. They don't use deodorant and therefore stink. They also treat women, especially hookers, disrespectfully. Then they bargain to ridiculously low levels. Once in the room with the hooker, they try to renege on the deal, underpay her or are particular violent. Soon, all Indian mongers are judged the same by the girls.

Even in Australia, some hookers in brothels won't see Indian mongers. They treat the girls like shit. Choking, slapping, punching and wanting multiple shots on goal when they only have paid for one.

It will probably take a generation for these negative attitudes against Indians to settle.

[QUOTE=Shukracharya;2762335]90-99% Indians behave like scavengers anywhere they go..[/QUOTE]Setting aside the treatment Indians get in Thailand, where did you get these numbers from?

[QUOTE=SGK45;2762272]This is more than enough reason never to visit Thailand again. I don't know what sort of a kink you guys getting out of these women without feeling their internal skin. As someone who is used to raw dogging, it appears Thailand has no value to me. Over the years, Thailand has become more racist due to the fact westerners owning the bars. This is something I felt compared to my last visit in 2015. It has something to do with Indian mongers I guess. It impacted Latino and other brown Asian mongers with beard. But it's obvious who is behind the scene and pushing racism. It's those people owning the bars. This is some issue all brown mongers should address before it's too late.[/QUOTE]If you are Indian and have the expectation for BBFS on your first encounter with a girl, I also believe you would be better off in some other place than Pattaya or Thailand in general (maybe somewhere in Indian subcontinent?) as the combination of your requirements really make your odds pretty slim. And I don't think that has anything to do with bar owners being or not being racist at all. I do not go bars though, so no personal experience on that, just an assesment on encounters with ladies outside of bars.

Over the years (goes way beyond 2015), walking past WS Indian clubs or riding thru southern part of 2nd road on way to / from home with a girl, I have had a habit of jokingly testing the girls' views about Indian customers. Out of all cases I can recall two cases where the answer was not downright negative. Last case was about a week ago (young girl from Insomnia said she's okay as long as they pay good and not smell bad), and the previous case was few years ago (a girl who had negative preconception of Indians, but in a club had met an Indian born and living in US that she said was 'polite, clean and not smelly', I. E a guy who ethnically was indian but culturally not. And ended up spending a week with him). I believe my sample size is good enough to make some decent generalisations about ladies working outside of Indian clubs or indian areas. Vast majority of girls who work in farang oriented areas are really not into Indians at all. Having said that, some sure do. However I would think for Indian mongers would be far better off targeting providers in Indian clubs or hanging in Indian areas (like the streetwalkers near Nova Platinum) as they clearly are looking for Indian customers. If you like beef steaks or blonde girls, you probably shouldn't go looking in India, rather go for place where you are likely to find what you looking after.

Can not comment on their inclination for BBFS though. But as generalisation would say that BBFS at first date is not a given for farang either, is minority at least for me. And we might be better off if they indeed would skip BBFS with the majority of Indian mongers in Pattaya.

Personally, I have nothing against Indians per se, but not difficult to understand the girls' point of view either. I have had quite a few Indian colleagues in the past and had no issues with them, however they have been mostly pretty westernised / educated. However I also lived in a condo building next to Indian embassy in Beijing, with quite some embassy staff living there as well. Every now and then, waiting for elevator in ground floor, some of those Indian people coming before the elevator arrived. I quietly left and waited around the corner until they got the elevator and took off, and took the next elevator as they simply smelled too bad to voluntarily share time in elevator cabin with them. Can only imagine that causing preconceptions among girls as well. Esp if you top it up with the reputation of expecting to share the time with 2-5 Indian guys with discounted service fee. Not to speak about BBFS.

After doing a bit of recording for my friend's Youtube channel and writing up this diary (which takes me about an hour each time, I should learn to be more concise) I decided to visit a soapy massage parlour.

As I was walking up soi Diana I had a fortuitous encounter with a street vendor. A couple of days I cut myself in two places using a cheap razor, so I won't be able to shave until the cuts have completely healed. So I've been on the hunt for an electric razor. I'd tried a few shops without success but as if by magic I saw a man selling them in front of one of the small beer bar complexes on soi Diana. I got him to demonstrate the razor (just to prove it works) and it looked a good one, with loads of attachments I'll never use. He asked for 850 but accepted 700 instantly.

I took a songthaew up 2nd Road and disembarked outside the garish exterior of Sabai Dee, my favourite massage parlour on previous visits. My heart sank when I walked in though. There were only ten girls sat on the pink seats and the quality was average. A waiter handed me a card which explained the pricing, from 2300 up to 3800 depending on which colour badge they were wearing.

Those in the lower price bracket were the type of older girls you might see selling food at the side of the street, albeit with pushup bras. It was only once the girls were wearing pink 3300 badges that my interest stirred. 69 and 84 were pretty but not worth such a high price. All of the girls waved and smiled when I looked in their direction as I was the only customer.

I was disappointed. I've been with some beautiful girls from soapies in the past (Annie from Cristins in Phuket the creme de la creme) but the quality at Sabai Dee has nosedived. The prices haven't though!

I paid my chit and went to Honey 2, next block along. It was 2. 30 pm when I walked in and it looked much more promising with about 25 girls. I sat on a couch directly in front of the fishbowl and slowly scanned around as a waiter explained the prices. If they were wearing a red badge they cost 2200, blue 2700, black (M) 3300, white (V) 3900 and yellow (S) 4600.

My favourite girls were wearing the black M badges. The more expensive girls were no prettier, they just had paler skin and expensive hair-dos.

I saw a girl I liked with blond hair and a pretty smile but instead of the rather formal process of informing the mamasan, I walked over to the pretty girl, knelt down on one knee and took her hand like I was proposing to her. It makes the girls laugh and my choice feel special.

I paid the hefty 3300 fee at the counter and she introduced herself as Nan as we took a lift up to the third floor. As ever, the room was split in half, the far end looking like a decent midrange hotel room with a large double bed and the near side containing a bath and a tiled section on which lay an inflatable mattress.

I enjoy the whole process of soapies. Firstly we got in a warm bath together and she washed me. It's always a good chance to chat while admiring the girl's body, that will soon be sliding all over yours. She had small tits, but big nipples.

We stepped out of the bath and she invited me to lie on the inflatable mattress, and then covered me with soap suds. Then followed the kind of experience every man should get to enjoy at least once in their life. She lay on top of me and massaged my body using her tits, bum and pussy. It was extremely pleasurable when she hooked one of her legs under my body, in to the scissor sisters position, favoured by lesbians the world over, and grinded her pussy against me.

Of course the best part of any soapy is when she says the magic words 'turn over' and repeats the process on your front.

After drying off we went on to the bed and she gave me a nice blowjob before we fucked. She rode me as I squeezed her big nipples, then fucked her from behind. From doggy I like to ease the girl to lie flat and get them to put their legs together. You're still fucking them from behind but you can really slap in to their soft arse cheeks. She rode me to a climax to round off an enjoyable session. The only negative is she was an unenthusiastic kisser.

3300 is expensive but I love the body-to-body experience too much to miss out. We exchanged Line details so I could meet her again for a fraction of the price if I wanted. Honey 2 is open from 10 am until 2 am and Nan told me she worked the 10 am - 6 pm shift. I would suggest arriving at 6 pm for the best selection of girls.

I ate a tasty spaghetti bolognese from the stall on the junction of soi Buakhao and soi Diana and soon it was time for another night out.

We took advantage of a 2-for-1 offer at Mayfairs on soi Buakhao, which was called Zero Bar seven months ago. Afterwards we went to Annie Jacks where I saw a familiar face, the lovely Lek, who I enjoyed chatting to on my last trip.

In Vixen I bought a drink for a lovely looking girl with a slender figure, who had a Chinese look about her. She had beautiful lips and a radiant smile, definite bar-fine material. Owen leaned across the table and told me that he was getting a boner just looking at her! After I got her Line details, the four of us marched on to Joy Bar, where the girls took great pleasure in pointing out to Bob that his T-shirt was on back to front.

We went to Blue Sky bar, followed by Area 52. The prettiest girl was stood nearby so I asked for her name and whether she'd like a drink. She told me she was already with a customer, an old Korean man who just sits there playing Connect 4 with the prettiest girls. He was the same man who I'd seen plying Nat with lady drinks seven months earlier at French Kiss. Still, I'd registered my interest and the pretty girl smiled to me several times when she passed.

Owen speaks Thai and gave me a phrase to say to a fun waitress he'd bought a drink for. After carefully repeating it, she screamed and pretended to slap me. Owen, fighting off tears of laughter told me I'd asked her 'do you like to eat sperm?

We went to at Lai next, which seven months ago was stocked with some pretty young girls, but not now. Opposite, are&see had four topless girls dancing on a stage and good old Bob got in to trouble for trying to take a photo of them.

I was lured in to Buzzin Bar by a pretty girl in school uniform and pigtails. I bought her a drink and she was a fun, flirty girl so I enquired about her bar-fine. It was only 300 but when I asked how much for her she said 'how much you give?' I don't like it when girls ask this question because you don't want to pay too much and you don't want to insult her by offering too little. I suggested 2000 for long-time which she agreed to.

But then another customer came in and bought her a lady-drink, so I was sat on my own. By this point Sam had left to find a girl from Oh Bar, Owen and Bob had drifted off and the time was 1. 20 am. I patiently waited for about 15 minutes and realised I was putting all of my eggs in one basket. If the other customer offered more (and of course it would be in her favour to play us off against each other) then I'd probably be looking for a girl after the bars have closed.

I put money in to my cup and when I stood up to leave she raced over, finally remembering I was there. 'Maybe I see you again' I said.

I backtracked to Booby Trap with the intention of bar-fining the pretty Lao girl and thankfully she was still there and without a customer. I bought her a drink and we had a nice chat before I enquired about her barfine. 'Cannot. My Auntie won't let me stay out after work hours' she typed in to the translation App on her phone. In other words she has a Thai boyfriend.

It was almost 2 am, closing time but I was determined to find a girl. I decided to dispense with pleasantries and get a sexy massage. The selection on soi Honey wasn't inspiring but I saw a pretty blond at a place on soi Pothole. Ten minutes later we'd both showered and she was massaging me with oil on a hard bed surrounded by curtains. She was a giggly girl with small pert breasts so I was pleased with my choice.

She began giving me a really good blowjob when suddenly all of the lights went off. She explained that it was a police check to ensure everywhere was closed. She resumed her business in the dark. It felt exciting to have such a highly illegal blowjob.

The sex was amazing, she loved to have her neck kissed when I was fucking her in mish and came to a loud climax when she was riding me. Sometimes girls pretend to climax for theatre but the way she bounced up and down, her moans getting progressively louder until she came loud enough to alert passing police officers, before slowly grinding her hips back and forth, gripping my dick in a vice-like clench in her pussy, softly groaning, before collapsing on top of me, giggling, suggested she wasn't acting. She returned the favour, sucking me to a bone-shuddering climax.

It cost just 1200 for the best sex of the trip so far.

The night had one amusing twist. It was 2. 40 am and I was walking back to my hotel. I turned off soi Lengkee in to an alleyway leading to my hotel when I saw a drunken figure approaching. I smiled to myself because it looked just like Bob. But when I got closer I realised it was Bob! He was lost and couldn't find his hotel. All he could remember was it had the word 'golden' in it. He was lucky he bumped in to me because I had an idea they were staying somewhere near soi Boomerang, so I walked him back to his hotel.

I'm from India, I live in India. I know how Indians whether in India or Indians born abroad or living abroad generally behave, think and act out. What can you expect when almost 80-90 % of the population from India is what we call here of lower caste origins. The remaining 19-10%also get influenced by the bad habits, behavior while living in a society with those people. It's just about 1-10% of the population of Indians ls which is roughly 10-100 million people (a huge number) which is refined and behave like human beings. Rest of them over 1.3 billion in India and abroad just are scavengers. Only way they know how to behave is when you smash them with a stick. Why do you think Indian police still carries centuries old sticks with them to control crowds in India LOL.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2762486]Setting aside the treatment Indians get in Thailand, where did you get these numbers from?[/QUOTE]

Asians in general are pretty racist in favor of white skin. Its not just against Indians or other brown skinned foreigners. Even within Thai society there is a clear hierarchy and preference for lighter skin. This is true in China, Philippines, India and every other country. Some of it is colonialism but also dark skin implied manual labor and farming and light skin implies wealth. So its not surprising that white people get better treatment. I don't think Indians are the only people with body odor. I have encountered countless fat white slobs wearing wife beaters and reeking of sweat and alcohol. Indians are not the only cheap charlies. There is a legion of low class white pensioners all over Thailand. I think no matter your skin tone, if you take a bit of effort to dress decently, throw on your cologne and be willing to spend a bit of money, you can have a great time in Thailand.

Great report Sir Lancelot. All but confirms that Honey2 does as close to nuru as you can get.

That said, if anyone knows any other standalone massage shop that does nuru with the hot oil and whatnot in Pattaya, please share. The only places I've found that are actual nuru are in Bangkok and not Pattaya.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2762416]I'm brown with a beard (not Indian) and I don't recall experiencing any racism of this sort in Thailand. I smell good, I'm respectful and I like a good deal but I'm not cheap.

When it comes to dating and pay for play do Thai and Asian girls in general prefer white men over other races? Yes. It is what it is, deal with it. If one doesn't show you interest than move onto to the next. Ultimately, we're mongers, so a girl's preference in skin color shouldn't matter because you're paying for it. As long as you don't smell, are respectful and carry yourself well and are willing to pay a fair price, 90 plus percent of Thai working girls will have no problem getting smashed by you.[/QUOTE]There's all types of racism floating around Pattaya, just got to ignore it. Indians are the current face of bad behavior towards girls, but historically your favorite Thai MILF has been screwed over heavily by a British or Aussie baby daddy that dropped them like a bad habit or used to pee on them or beat them. I've seen the girls treated bad by all types of guys whether it Indian, black, aus, british, chinese, or korean. I've seen mongers treat each other like shit, especially the Aussies towards blacks / africans. Nowadays they like to play the "reverse racism" card when the thai girls prefer to go with black guys because historically the black guys don't treat them as bad. ALL races of guys have the cheap charlie reputation amongst girls, so that's not even a factor.

Just find the girl that likes you and ignore all the rest of the nonsense.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2762320]I call bullshit. Thai people are kinda racist. Thats for sure. Most Thai don't like Indians. The way they smell, the amount they are willing to pay etc etc.

Of course this affects ALL Indians. Same goes for races or people from certain countries.

That some barowners are assholes? Yeah of course. The amount of alpha-males in Pattaya is skyhigh. Thats why everybody fucks for hours and many guys think they are the best thing since slides bread.

But blaming the white farang is kinda racist from you mate.[/QUOTE]LOL that last sentence is exactly what I just mentioned. Reverse racism victim mentality is hilarious to me. Thais generally have opinions about all races including white farang. But a the end of the day, whie farang has colonized and brutalized the majority of planet earth, so of course as with anything else, whoever is in charge will get blamed for anything that goes wrong.

this is one of the reasons I laugh at Indian guys complaining in Thailand because I've spent enough time in Kenya and India to see all of the brutally racist nonsense that Indians to to Africans and to each other in the Indian caste system. Listening them complain in Thailand is a joke.

[QUOTE=Shukracharya;2762335]90-99% Indians behave like scavengers anywhere they go. Be it within India or abroad. I don't like the Indians coming to my place to visit either and of course people overcharge Indians because when you got to deal with people you don't want around you.

So stop your complaining and get on with it. Stop acting like cheap scavengers and maybe people wouldn't want to tell you to piss off all the time.[/QUOTE]I suspect that 90-99% is too high a percentage, it should be much lower. I know more about Indian women than the men. In India you can get the extremes. I have been with women where you will negotiate a price for agreed services before the deed and after you pay and are in the room and ready to get down to business (e.g. BJ, DATY) the girl would say something like "that is not allowed sir" - a total mood killer. On the other hand you can meet girls who can give the best GFE ever. India is a country of extremes.

I am not wrong with the 90-99% quote. 1-10 % of India's population means 10-100 million people that's a lot of people.

As for girls scamming / flaking or changing agreed terms that's the standard way of doing business in India. So always be prepared. They say yes to everything before to lock the deal but once the deal is locked then those 90-99 % indians start changing the terms or flaking on you or downright scam you.

Rest of 1. 3-1. 4 billion people of Indian origin in India or even abroad do live the way I described.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2762633]I suspect that 90-99% is too high a percentage, it should be much lower. I know more about Indian women than the men. In India you can get the extremes. I have been with women where you will negotiate a price for agreed services before the deed and after you pay and are in the room and ready to get down to business (e.g. BJ, DATY) the girl would say something like "that is not allowed sir" - a total mood killer. On the other hand you can meet girls who can give the best GFE ever. India is a country of extremes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2762181]After breakfast I went for a foot massage. I intended to go to a massage-with-extras place but didn't see any girls to my liking. The prettiest was Nico from Paradise who I fucked seven months ago.[/QUOTE]I saw Nico in March and again in September. Beautiful lady; I'm glad I got her Line. Much more fun in my room than that tiny massage stall.

I forgot to add in the Bangkok report that for the sim, I used an esim from a company called airalo. It was $19.95 usd for 15 days with both voice and data. Cost is more than getting a sim in Bangkok but the convience was the weighing factor for me. Also last rant on things I can't get used to. When buying a ladydrink, the waitress will ask for one or the mama san will ask for one and finally the friend or friends will ask for one. To be fair not all places were like this but many were.

Okay now to Pattaya. I took Cherry taxi service and the cost was be $1,200. One way. They have whatsapp and easy to schedule. The driver was always early and waiting for me. Upon returning home, I did read a couple of pages back and glad that I did. The excellent reports from Sir Lancelot almost mirrored my take on the agogo's so won't repeat what he reported but will expand a bit. I saw a cute girl in front of a club called Hilton. It's on the same street as Windmill. Anyways, I walk up to her and asked her if she would like a drink. She took me inside we did some small talk and I asked about the barfine. She said she didn't know what the barfine was and she needed to ask the mama san. The mama san came over and she said the barfine would be be $1,500. And be $3,000 for the girl short time. The $3,000 for the girl didn't bother me but the $1,500 barfine did. I waited for the mamasan to leave so maybe get this girls line and set something up outside her working hours. The mamasan never left our table so after a while I left and went to windmill. I really like places that are hands on and very interactive and Windmill fits that bill. Didn't barfine anyone but had a lot of fun there. Another great interactive place is Kinks at LK metro. The second floor is off the charts fun. Naked girls, very hands on, just a great time. I also went to Sugar Sugar but it was so crowde there wasn't any seat except for this one corner which I was walking to when one of the waitress said this is only for vip's. So, told her I would come back later, which never happened. I also went into I believe it was Queens and they had a decent lineup at the time I was there. Down the street on Soi be. I went into Playgirls. I think that's what it was called but I think it might have been spelled different. This place was okay and I thought since it wasn't in LK metro the prices would be cheaper. Wrong, barfine was $1,500 and $3. 000 short time.

Like I said before, I do like the places where the interaction is high and I found those place at the clubs of Bong Koch 8. Thanks to all the posters who reported on them as I finally had a chance to visit them on my second to last day in Pattaya. Tried to get a grab taxi but the final destination wouldn't come up so I entered Full Love Inn and that actually worked. It was $91.00 to get there, then walked about 100 yds to the clubs. First stop Bada Bing. In past reports this seemed like the place to be. Unfortunatley, there were only about 6 girls and very average. Timing is everything in our sport. Next up 007. Again about 6 girls but at least two were cute. Bought a drink for one and the fun began. Lots of handsy play and making out. Took her upstairs and it was $500.00 for the room and $1,000 for the girl. I can't remember the price for my drink or hers but it wasn't a lot. Next, Amsterdam. No girls in front so got to the door and opened it up slowly. When I look inside I see one customer at the bar with a girl who has her back to me and the tall bartender who I think is the owner. With my hand still on the door handle I asked are you open. The girl then turns around and says yes we are open. To my surprise, it was the cute girl from the video and she looks cuter in person. IMHO. Then I asked will there be more girls later. She replied there are only two girls here. I said thank you and will try to return later. I ran out of time to go back, but if I did I would take her up in a heartbeat. So walk out and go to the next club, I think it was called Club 4. This is more like an agogo than a G-club. It was larger than the other clubs with dancing stage with poles. This was more expensive than the other clubs so I guess if you are considered an agogo you can charge a higher price. There were a couple of cuties in there. Can't remember what the room fee was but the girl I was with said her fee was $2,000. The last club I went to was CB. There were about 10 girls there and again there were two that I liked. I sat at the bar, picked one and bought her a drink. She didn't understand English and my Thai sucked so made commuicating a little difficult. Even with google translate, things were getting lost in translation. Anyway from the bar I noticed there were little rooms with couches in them. I wasn't sure if these rooms cost extra but I pointed to one and the girl smiled got up and led me to it. On the couch the interaction was way off the charts. Making out, hands everywhere, just a great time. Because I shot a load at 007 earlier wasn't sure I could recover for a second shot so got on my translator and asked if she would like to come to my hotel before work and have lunch and some fun time at the hotel. With her phone it showed noon? I said yes and exchanged line. Next day around 11:00 she sends a message of Hi. I asked if she was ready to come over. She replied back 18:30. I was a bit confused because I thought she had to be at work at that time. So instead of confusing her and myself, I said yes, 18:30 would be fine. At 17:00 I get a line video chat. It's her and she out in front of the hotel. First time a chick has been early but then again, it could have been the translating. So I meet her out front and asked if she was hungry. She said yes and we went next door to grab dinner. After dinner, back to my hotel for a couple of hours of fun. I didn't ask, nor was I expecting, but we did it bbfscip and she was very passionate. I can't remember her name and on her line account it's all in Thai character so I can't read it. I do know that every trip I take to Pattaya will include a stop at these clubs in the afternoon then probably go to the agogos later in the night.

Here are some of the restaurants that were practically next door to my hotel and were very good. Robin Hood Tavern, The nag head (sp), and Casa Pascal. Also up near 3rd was an ayce Japanese restaurant called Kazuhiro. It was funny because going to the Bong Koch 8 clubs by taxi that was my landmark when walking back to my hotel from there.

[QUOTE=Shukracharya;2762544]I'm from India, I live in India. I know how Indians whether in India or Indians born abroad or living abroad generally behave, think and act out. What can you expect when almost 80-90 % of the population from India is what we call here of lower caste origins. The remaining 19-10%also get influenced by the bad habits, behavior while living in a society with those people. It's just about 1-10% of the population of Indians ls which is roughly 10-100 million people (a huge number) which is refined and behave like human beings. Rest of them over 1.3 billion in India and abroad just are scavengers. Only way they know how to behave is when you smash them with a stick. Why do you think Indian police still carries centuries old sticks with them to control crowds in India LOL.[/QUOTE]Seems like you missed your calling. There is a comedy club out there somewhere with an opening for a stand up comedian like you, probably not in India though.

[QUOTE=QuackUp;2762749]So I meet her out front and asked if she was hungry. She said yes and we went next door to grab dinner. After dinner, back to my hotel for a couple of hours of fun. I didn't ask, nor was I expecting, but we did it bbfscip and she was very passionate.[/QUOTE]So how much was it?

Nico!

Yes, I met her a bit over ten years ago certainly a real pro at her job. Before her daughter came down to live with her we hang out a bit at night when she wasn't tired and she normally was tired from the number of customers she had.

I always use Paradise but during Covid closed I met up with her at a short time place down the Soi, and from time to time another short time place behind Big see Extra where she lives which is our regular meeting place.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2762805]So how much was it?[/QUOTE]She said $1,500 but I gave her $2,000.

Early afternoon Owen and I wandered up to Central Mall, taking a circuitous route up soi Buakhao, soi Honey, 2nd Road, sois 7 and 8. A tailor on Beach Road tried to sell us a suit. He told us his speciality design uses fabric with a cannabis leaf design. That's another big difference I've noticed from my trip seven months ago, the smell of weed and the number of cannabis shops that have popped up since legalisation.

Malls are good places to wander around, cool down and people watch. Once Owen had bought a Thai sim card for his phone, we meandered our way back to our respective hotels. I couldn't resist stopping for a hot dog at a small shop near the top of soi Lengkee. The key to a good hot dog? Onions.

I planned to meet Sam in Tree Town at 7 pm but I was ten minutes late because I stopped and said Hello, to the sweet Lao girl at Booby Trap, the pretty girl at Annie Jacks and the girl from Vixen I met the night before.

As is often the case we started with a drink at Blue Sky Bar, where a blond girl found it hilarious I ordered a water. I've been suffering due to excessive alcohol consumption over the past few days so tonight I wasn't touching the stuff. Blue Sky Bar has mainly older girls, including one with glasses and big natural tits. There are a few prettier younger girls too and quite a feminine looking ladyboy, who was bursting out of a neon green dress she was wearing.

The blond girl snapped a selfie of herself with me in the background completely oblivious, then offered to send it to me via Line. It never hurts to have Line contacts in your phone.

We decided to give Retro a go, which had a dozen girls outside. The standard was fairly average but of course when you sit in a bar you always noticed girls more and there was a pretty girl in a yellow knitted top sitting with a customer.

On we ventured to at Lai where Sam did something I hate. A girl stood next to him, sensing a drink, but he said 'I not look for lady' (blatant lie!) and manoeuvred her to sit next to me instead. You get enough pressure for ladydrinks from waitresses without your mates doing it! I'll nickname him mamasan if he does it again.

The beer bar complex next to Tree Town has some lively bars. New Ben Beer Bar was busy with mainly older girls, including a few I'd definitely categorise as foxy. In contrast, a very sweet-faced wholesome girl was playing pool against a British guy from Bolton.

Boozer Bar would be easy to miss as it's tucked away in the corner but I bought a drink for a cute girl with braces on her teeth. Me and her, plus Owen and a waitress had a lot of fun speaking (or trying to speak) Thai to each other, the fun interrupted by Owen screaming when the largest cockroach I've ever seen scuttled towards him. The girl I bought a drink for was a definite maybe for later in the trip and the barfine is just 400 baht.

I bought a drink for a sexy girl at Oh Bar. She was wild. She danced sexily on my lap until I was hard and then slid her hand down my pants and began wanking me, in full view of everyone else. Then she stood up and wiped the same hand over the faces of Owen, Bob and Sam, who were oblivious where that hand had just been!

It was about midnight and I was keen to bar-fine sooner rather than later and this girl seemed a guaranteed good time. The barfine was 500 (for long time it would have been 800) and the girl asked for 2000. Deal.

Back at my hotel we showered and I admired her perfect tits. At first I thought it might be a disappointing session because she crawled under the sheets and pretended to be asleep, but I was wrong.

After a fairly inexperienced blowjob (basically just wanking me in to her mouth) the sex was great. First I went on top and fucked her slowly. She was a great kisser. We tried a few more positions of my choosing before she assertively pushed me to lie flat on the bed and rode me expertly. She had great skills, clenching her pussy tight while slowly rocking her hips, leaning her tits in to my face for me to suck her nipples.

The sex went on for ages in loads more positions. I was struggling to cum so took the condom off, intending for her to finish me with oral, but she jumped back on and energetically rode me until I filled her pussy.

A sign of how great the sex was, the bed had moved a meter away from the wall!

P.S. For those interested, a video version of my diary will be appearing on my friend's Youtube channel, Eyes of Owen, probably starting early December.

[QUOTE=Shukracharya;2762544]I'm from India, I live in India. I know how Indians whether in India or Indians born abroad or living abroad generally behave, think and act out. What can you expect when almost 80-90 % of the population from India is what we call here of lower caste origins. The remaining 19-10%also get influenced by the bad habits, behavior while living in a society with those people. It's just about 1-10% of the population of Indians ls which is roughly 10-100 million people (a huge number) which is refined and behave like human beings. Rest of them over 1.3 billion in India and abroad just are scavengers. Only way they know how to behave is when you smash them with a stick. Why do you think Indian police still carries centuries old sticks with them to control crowds in India LOL.[/QUOTE]Just an opinion.

I agree with you most of Indians not behaving the way we educated people do. I couldn't disagree more about how fraction of people you encountered be relating to people who has never seen wealth nor etiquette management from elders. You are comparing the billions of people who has never been abroad to another country to the people has the luxury of doing so. Those small caste people has only seen earning through labour and I don't expect them to eat with fork because that's how their upbringing is done. We have more exposure of things than them. And they don't go abroad making scene because of alcohol behaviour or their own fetish.

For them or mostly that category people is what they see is what they believe. If they see more instances of african / black people getting caught in drugs in India they would believe many of them do that same. For old generation, kissing on movies was a no-no that's why they didn't prefer foreign movies because that was against their ethnic culture.

Our generation is evolving a lot. Accepting things and culture from different nations. How mass shooting happens in America does that mean all Americans are killers? How the black people were treated in history or now does that make all the Americans racist? A parent whose child is gone abroad for studying or job is scared if he / she is alright Because they have not seen what it's like to live there. For them it's still away from home not a safe place. My cousins are studying abroad and whenever something bad happens their parents gets sacred too. I am not denying that few Indian comes and make nuisance but it also doesn't implies that all the Indians you are mentioning will do the same.

Scam is everywhere, Even in India you just need to connect with right people for guidance and right women. For what you call "Katz" their main agenda is earning money, they will do so by either means. Some does is passionately while others use scam means. Like in Thailand, if one customer is paying more money the girl will be more compassionate towards him. Yes, maybe the girl is not in mood that time or had a bad day. It'll reflect on her service obviously.

I apologise for rest of people if my words are demeaning or derogatory. Let's not make the thread a rant instead gather information from very experienced members for to use in future and contribute back.

LOL maybe this hurt your wokeness or fragile ego but truth is the truth. I'm not privileged because I have money nor are the 90-99% of the population acting like scavengers because of lack of money! Even if they have money those people still act and behave like scavengers.

It's only knowlege, stability of mind and actions which differentiates human beings. Money is only a medium of transaction and does not reflect how a human being is.

I'm not frm Mumbai. It's a shithole. Many people have lots of money there but they are all scavengers there.

[QUOTE=HydNewbie;2762809]Well some priviliged people think they are above the food chain just because they got some money, 80-90 % of the population is lower cast origins seriously dude, are you from Mumbai (or) what, if yes growup there is a world out of Mumbai.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I guess but I can say this openly in India and not be worried about getting sued or smashed by some black dude in the name of blm LOL. So the joke is actually on you when you can't even say what you want to say and have to play nice to pests in order to not offend them. LOL.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2762763]Seems like you missed your calling. There is a comedy club out there somewhere with an opening for a stand up comedian like you, probably not in India though.[/QUOTE]

Bro these prices you are writing they are in us dollars or Thai baht? You are using $ symbol and 3000 usd for a kat in Thailand is too high a rice according to me. It would make more sense if it's Thai baht.

[QUOTE=QuackUp;2762749]I forgot to add in the Bangkok report that for the sim, I used an esim from a company called airalo. It was $19.95 usd for 15 days with both voice and data. Cost is more than getting a sim in Bangkok but the convience was the weighing factor for me. Also last rant on things I can't get used to. When buying a ladydrink, the waitress will ask for one or the mama san will ask for one and finally the friend or friends will ask for one. To be fair not all places were like this but many were.

Okay now to Pattaya. I took Cherry taxi service and the cost was be $1,200. One way. They have whatsapp and easy to schedule. The driver was always early and waiting for me. Upon returning home, I did read a couple of pages back and glad that I did. The excellent reports from Sir Lancelot almost mirrored my take on the agogo's so won't repeat what he reported but will expand a bit. I saw a cute girl in front of a club called Hilton. It's on the same street as Windmill. Anyways, I walk up to her and asked her if she would like a drink. She took me inside we did some small talk and I asked about the barfine. She said she didn't know what the barfine was and she needed to ask the mama san. The mama san came over and she said the barfine would be be $1,500. And be $3,000 for the girl short time. The $3,000 for the girl didn't bother me but the $1,500 barfine did. I waited for the mamasan to leave so maybe get this girls line and set something up outside her working hours. The mamasan never left our table so after a while I left and went to windmill. I really like places that are hands on and very interactive and Windmill fits that bill. Didn't barfine anyone but had a lot of fun there. Another great interactive place is Kinks at LK metro. The second floor is off the charts fun. Naked girls, very hands on, just a great time. I also went to Sugar Sugar but it was so crowde there wasn't any seat except for this one corner which I was walking to when one of the waitress said this is only for vip's. So, told her I would come back later, which never happened. I also went into I believe it was Queens and they had a decent lineup at the time I was there. Down the street on Soi be. I went into Playgirls. I think that's what it was called but I think it might have been spelled different. This place was okay and I thought since it wasn't in LK metro the prices would be cheaper. Wrong, barfine was $1,500 and $3. 000 short time.

Like I said before, I do like the places where the interaction is high and I found those place at the clubs of Bong Koch 8. Thanks to all the posters who reported on them as I finally had a chance to visit them on my second to last day in Pattaya. Tried to get a grab taxi but the final destination wouldn't come up so I entered Full Love Inn and that actually worked. It was $91.00 to get there, then walked about 100 yds to the clubs. First stop Bada Bing. In past reports this seemed like the place to be. Unfortunatley, there were only about 6 girls and very average. Timing is everything in our sport. Next up 007. Again about 6 girls but at least two were cute. Bought a drink for one and the fun began. Lots of handsy play and making out. Took her upstairs and it was $500.00 for the room and $1,000 for the girl. I can't remember the price for my drink or hers but it wasn't a lot. Next, Amsterdam. No girls in front so got to the door and opened it up slowly. When I look inside I see one customer at the bar with a girl who has her back to me and the tall bartender who I think is the owner. With my hand still on the door handle I asked are you open. The girl then turns around and says yes we are open. To my surprise, it was the cute girl from the video and she looks cuter in person. IMHO. Then I asked will there be more girls later. She replied there are only two girls here. I said thank you and will try to return later. I ran out of time to go back, but if I did I would take her up in a heartbeat. So walk out and go to the next club, I think it was called Club 4. This is more like an agogo than a G-club. It was larger than the other clubs with dancing stage with poles. This was more expensive than the other clubs so I guess if you are considered an agogo you can charge a higher price. There were a couple of cuties in there. Can't remember what the room fee was but the girl I was with said her fee was $2,000. The last club I went to was CB. There were about 10 girls there and again there were two that I liked. I sat at the bar, picked one and bought her a drink. She didn't understand English and my Thai sucked so made commuicating a little difficult. Even with google translate, things were getting lost in translation. Anyway from the bar I noticed there were little rooms with couches in them. I wasn't sure if these rooms cost extra but I pointed to one and the girl smiled got up and led me to it. On the couch the interaction was way off the charts. Making out, hands everywhere, just a great time. Because I shot a load at 007 earlier wasn't sure I could recover for a second shot so got on my translator and asked if she would like to come to my hotel before work and have lunch and some fun time at the hotel. With her phone it showed noon? I said yes and exchanged line. Next day around 11:00 she sends a message of Hi. I asked if she was ready to come over. She replied back 18:30. I was a bit confused because I thought she had to be at work at that time. So instead of confusing her and myself, I said yes, 18:30 would be fine. At 17:00 I get a line video chat. It's her and she out in front of the hotel. First time a chick has been early but then again, it could have been the translating. So I meet her out front and asked if she was hungry. She said yes and we went next door to grab dinner. After dinner, back to my hotel for a couple of hours of fun. I didn't ask, nor was I expecting, but we did it bbfscip and she was very passionate. I can't remember her name and on her line account it's all in Thai character so I can't read it. I do know that every trip I take to Pattaya will include a stop at these clubs in the afternoon then probably go to the agogos later in the night.

Here are some of the restaurants that were practically next door to my hotel and were very good. Robin Hood Tavern, The nag head (sp), and Casa Pascal. Also up near 3rd was an ayce Japanese restaurant called Kazuhiro. It was funny because going to the Bong Koch 8 clubs by taxi that was my landmark when walking back to my hotel from there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shukracharya;2762904]Bro these prices you are writing they are in us dollars or Thai baht? You are using $ symbol and 3000 usd for a kat in Thailand is too high a rice according to me. It would make more sense if it's Thai baht.[/QUOTE]It's baht 555.

[QUOTE=Shukracharya;2762904]Bro these prices you are writing they are in us dollars or Thai baht? You are using $ symbol and 3000 usd for a kat in Thailand is too high a rice according to me. It would make more sense if it's Thai baht.[/QUOTE]Sorry to confuse you. When I tried putting a be in front of the $, the auto correct would change it. I only included some with usd to show I paid for that particular service in usd. For example, the esim card I bought on line so that was in usd. My hotels were prepaid, also in usd. Just about everything else should be in baht.

I intended to have a leisurely afternoon, a massage perhaps and a chance to catch up on sleep. But I started to get bored in my room and sent out a few speculative Line messages.

Within five minutes a girl I met on my last trip messaged back. 'You horny?' she asked like a mind-reader and half an hour later we were fucking in my room. As she was riding me she asked 'you want come in mouth?' and since her blowjob skills were so good, I accepted the offer. I sent her on her way with the agreed 1000 baht plus tip.

For those who have never been to Pattaya, getting Line on your phone is essential. It's a Thai version of Whatsapp and all of the girls have got it. Collect contact details of girls you meet in bars at night and you can arrange for them to come to your hotel before they start work for 1000 baht. It's like a pizza delivery service.

I also got a Line message from the lovely Jen, asking 'what you up to?' I bar-fined her on my last trip and intend to do so again, but for now we've agreed to meet up for coffee in the mall before she starts work some time.

Sam and I met at 6 pm and started off with a drink in Rehab. There were several nice girls and no ladydrink pressure. My favourite girl was in Vixen so I bought her a drink. She looked fantastic in a short red skirt and white crop-top and had a pierced belly button. A lot of bargirls complain they are 'pum pui' (chubby) even when they've got beautiful figures, but this girl said she was 44 kilos and wanted to get up to 50.

I did my best to help her. I went to McDonalds to get myself a meal but also bought some fries which I took back to the bar and gave to her. The other girls swarmed around gratefully and one of them offered me a fried scorpion by way of thanks.

We met up with Owen in Blue Sky Bar and went on to the small bar that Jen works at. She pointed out her 'mama' and 'papa' on the next table, so you could say I've met the parents! Her father was a European man which explains Jen's exotic appearance.

My favourite girl at Area 52 was once again sat opposite the same elderly Korean man playing connect 4. That's all he seems to do, pick the prettiest girl and play games with them all night. The girls must love him as it's easy money for them as they're plied with regular drinks, but it's not great for other customers like me. She smiles to me whenever she sees me as I told her I'd like to buy her a drink a few nights ago. I'll be patient and one night my chance will come.

Sam bought a drink for a young looking 21 year old who repaid his generosity with a kiss on the lips. After Sam's erection had died down we went to Moonlight, where I saw a familiar face from my last trip, Mae Mae. She's a sweet girl with a fun sense of humour and gains extra points for remembering my trademark towel dance.

At Oh Bar a sweet looking barmaid who Sam has been unsuccessfully chasing said I had beautiful blue eyes so I bought her a drink. If romance ever blossoms between her and I, I don't think Sam would ever speak to me again!

It was midnight and Sam and I decided to split ways. He went off to barfine the girl from Area 52 and my intention was to barfine the cute little chick from Boozer Bar. However she wasn't there, so I backtracked up along soi Buakhao and bar-fined the lovely girl from Booby Trap I met a few days ago instead.

She's a 10/10 in my books, exactly what I go for. I know using the phrase '10/10' antagonises some people on this forum and they'll reply with a photo of what a 'real 10/10' looks like, but I'm not looking for a model to star in a cosmetic commercial, I'm looking for a girl to fuck and this girls ticks all the boxes I go for. Pretty face, lovely figure, lots of fun and nice attitude.

I paid the 400 barfine and we agreed on 1500 for short-time, a good price given the quality of girl. The sex was fantastic, the kind of girlfriend sex I crave with lots of kissing. I slowly fucked her in mish and we kissed for ages, before I finally raised the tempo and gave her tight pussy a good pounding. It was a glorious sight seeing her ride me, her big tits swinging in my face. The sex lasted for ages but I couldn't cum in the condom, so I slid it off and she helped me finish with a skilful handjob, spitting on my dick for lubrication.

After we'd showered and got changed, I watched as she re-applied her red lipstick. She caught me looking in the mirror and asked 'you want?' She carefully applied it and joked I might get a job in a ladyboy bar.

As I was drifting off to sleep my phone pinged. It was Sam. His night hadn't ended well. He went back to Area 52 and bought his girl a drink but when he asked about prices, things fell apart. The barfine was 600 as it was after midnight (it's an eye watering 1200 before) but the girl quoted 3000 for short-time and 5000 for longtime. In other words, Walking Street gogo prices! Sam countered with 3000 for long time but she wouldn't budge, so he went home alone.

Good time can certainly be had in Pattaya but things don't always run smoothly.

Woah, I just happened to see your post now as wanted to update myself on the scene there as have an upcoming plant visit to that country. Allow me Sir to share my experience about my trips to Thailand; Bangkok and Pattaya. Both for Business and pleasure. I am an Indian, Sikh, New Delhi resident and am mighty proud of my nationality. I do have a beard and I take good care of it. I'm no James Dean, not fat but dress well, smell good, have stayed in all 4/5 star properties, am conscious of my behavior and give complete respect to the girls as human beings. Honestly, have never been ignored or felt any kind of racism in the last 10 years to Thailand or to any other country where I've gone including Europe, Dubai and South East Asia. I just came back from Vietnam after spending 12 days. I must have gone at least 15 times before pandemic. My experience ranges of pick ups from Spasso, Shock 39 and similar clubs, Nana Plaza, Walking street clubs Like Nasha / Tony Bar / Insomania, soapies etc etc. I have even fucked Thai girls from Tinder so have a fair bit of knowledge and can share. I do not agree with your view point of westerners owning the bars also contributing to the racism as well because one of my Indian customer shut down his business here in India and migrated to Thailand, bought a loss making restaurant and turned it around into a profit making venture in the last 5 years. He was an Hotel management graduate and was never keen on family business. Of course, covid has been a disaster for him as well.

Howsoever, I do agree with you that some girls told me that they do not like to entertain brown skin people and Blacks. By Brown skin people they implied guys from sub continent region not only India. Sadly, I also have to agree with my friend from India Shukracharya that some Indians do behave or let me put it this way that Brown skin people misbehave with chicks there and Indians are branded as the culprits. The simple reason being that if I am not mistaken, Indians were the largest tourist in numbers visiting that country and we are easily identifiable. The dynamics worked in Indians favor because of cheap flights, easy connectivity and overall availability of hotels, pussy and fantastic tourism infrastructure in all price brackets.

Allow me to share here that my beard has worked good for me and has been an advantage as chicks have told me they like my beard. LOL. I first realized it when I went to Guangzhou in China to attend an exhibition in 2011 and I was pulled in by Chinese chicks to click a picture with me and touch my beard. I am sorry to disagree; I know, I've read and I've heard but never ever experienced it personally.

Don't shut your mind on Thailand, it's a beautiful country with beautiful people.

Regards.

[QUOTE=SGK45;2762272]This is more than enough reason never to visit Thailand again. I don't know what sort of a kink you guys getting out of these women without feeling their internal skin. As someone who is used to raw dogging, it appears Thailand has no value to me. Over the years, Thailand has become more racist due to the fact westerners owning the bars. This is something I felt compared to my last visit in 2015. It has something to do with Indian mongers I guess. It impacted Latino and other brown Asian mongers with beard. But it's obvious who is behind the scene and pushing racism. It's those people owning the bars. This is some issue all brown mongers should address before it's too late.[/QUOTE]

I'm missing Banana Bois on the ground reporting. Any one else?

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2763073]I intended to have a leisurely afternoon, a massage perhaps and a chance to catch up on sleep. But I started to get bored in my room and sent out a few speculative Line messages.[/QUOTE]Just a shoutout for your great daily reports! With the time difference in place its a great story to read daily!

Keep them coming.

"Out of disappointment, the Indian man asked for his cash worth 1,500 baht back, but the transvestite reportedly refused. The tourist then chose to file a police report at the Pattaya police station, but the officer informed him that what he did with the stranger was against Thai prostitution laws and may result in legal action against him. "

Dude picked up a ladyboy. Lost his money and got the spill straight from the police's mouth.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2022/11/18/indian-tourist-files-police-report-after-mistakenly-taking-transgender-person-to-his-pattaya-hotel/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2763161]"Out of disappointment, the Indian man asked for his cash worth 1,500 baht back, but the transvestite reportedly refused. The tourist then chose to file a police report at the Pattaya police station, but the officer informed him that what he did with the stranger was against Thai prostitution laws and may result in legal action against him. "

Dude picked up a ladyboy. Lost his money and got the spill straight from the police's mouth.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2022/11/18/indian-tourist-files-police-report-after-mistakenly-taking-transgender-person-to-his-pattaya-hotel/[/URL][/QUOTE]Duhhh. Never pay up front.

[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2740132]Everything Pattaya has update on Amsterdam gentleman club.

The place where everyone agreed had a Top Quality girl at bargain prices.

YouTube him up. Keyword New Outfits, Stork Sportswear.

That girl is still there. Looks like her Chest got up-sized.

Some posters say they been there but no details. Fake?

Vid is about outfits so Chill guys.[/QUOTE]I finally caught up with this Amsterdam girl before I left Pattaya. Her name is Minnie IIRC. She is a pretty girl without a doubt. I say prettier in person than the YouTube video and she looks pretty good in the YouTube video. Her English is not bad and you can converse with her without Google translate. She's also very friendly, smiley, and personable. Someone you could actually take home to mom. The negative is that her tits are fake. Boob job 6 months ago. Luckily no my boobs are too sensitive crap. BF 300. She asked for 1500. I didn't even think of negotiating my brain wasn't working well when talking to her. I had read elsewhere she asked for 2 k from guys.

The Amsterdam room is quite large and decent. A bad sign was that Minnie put her towel over the bedsheets before she laid down. This to me is a huge red flag that they do not wash the sheets in between sessions. A real G club like Kinnaree has attendants everywhere and you can see them continually changing the sheets. That's one of the differences between a G club and a BJ bar or Soi 6 bar.

Sex is YMMV but I would repeat with her. Imo she needs a bit more seasoning but she's too pretty not to repeat with. Amsterdam has only 3 girls but all of them are above average for this type of club.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2763266]I finally caught up with this Amsterdam girl before I left Pattaya. . BF 300. She asked for 1500. I didn't even think of negotiating my brain wasn't working well when talking to her. I had read elsewhere she asked for 2 k from guys.[/QUOTE]That is okay. I will run by there and fuck her for 1000 same as this gogo chick just to prove a point.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2763266]I finally caught up with this Amsterdam girl before I left Pattaya. Her name is Minnie IIRC. She is a pretty girl without a doubt. I say prettier in person than the YouTube video and she looks pretty good in the YouTube video. Her English is not bad and you can converse with her without Google translate. She's also very friendly, smiley, and personable. Someone you could actually take home to mom. The negative is that her tits are fake. Boob job 6 months ago. Luckily no my boobs are too sensitive crap. BF 300. She asked for 1500. I didn't even think of negotiating my brain wasn't working well when talking to her. I had read elsewhere she asked for 2 k from guys.

The Amsterdam room is quite large and decent. A bad sign was that Minnie put her towel over the bedsheets before she laid down. This to me is a huge red flag that they do not wash the sheets in between sessions. A real G club like Kinnaree has attendants everywhere and you can see them continually changing the sheets. That's one of the differences between a G club and a BJ bar or Soi 6 bar.

Sex is YMMV but I would repeat with her. Imo she needs a bit more seasoning but she's too pretty not to repeat with. Amsterdam has only 3 girls but all of them are above average for this type of club.[/QUOTE]Silly Cones ate a no go for me. A Rainbow waitress is perfect as she is but her friend jokingly says she wants Bigger. Oh Lord No. No reason as she doesn't go with Customers. She odd in that way.

Good on the girl for not going for 1,000.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2763266]I finally caught up with this Amsterdam girl before I left Pattaya. Her name is Minnie IIRC. She is a pretty girl without a doubt. I say prettier in person than the YouTube video and she looks pretty good in the YouTube video. Her English is not bad and you can converse with her without Google translate. She's also very friendly, smiley, and personable. Someone you could actually take home to mom. The negative is that her tits are fake. Boob job 6 months ago. Luckily no my boobs are too sensitive crap. BF 300. She asked for 1500. I didn't even think of negotiating my brain wasn't working well when talking to her. I had read elsewhere she asked for 2 k from guys.

The Amsterdam room is quite large and decent. A bad sign was that Minnie put her towel over the bedsheets before she laid down. This to me is a huge red flag that they do not wash the sheets in between sessions. A real G club like Kinnaree has attendants everywhere and you can see them continually changing the sheets. That's one of the differences between a G club and a BJ bar or Soi 6 bar.

Sex is YMMV but I would repeat with her. Imo she needs a bit more seasoning but she's too pretty not to repeat with. Amsterdam has only 3 girls but all of them are above average for this type of club.[/QUOTE]I saw her a few months ago and she quoted 1,500 baht and I responded no 1,000 baht and she agreed right away. Like I always say, pay the 1,000 baht at these clubs for the girl, no more.

As far as the not changing the sheets, I mentioned this in a recent report and it is indeed disgusting and unbecoming of such places. Even the back BJ cubes at the Soi Bongkot clubs where they host BJs there's no sheets or towels, you're just sitting on your bare arse where thousands of other bare arses have sat; they could simply put towels down at the very least in the BJ cubes. Next time I go to Pattaya, I may purchase a thin towel that I can carry around for these reasons and at least maintain some level of hygiene at these places.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2763219]Duhhh. Never pay up front.[/QUOTE]Yes, I wonder if that was the subtlety in "Thai prostitution law" the police were alluding to in order to make that guy start crying. Hard to tell in that strange report. They would do Thai P4 P customers a great service if they outlawed Paying Upfront. But I don't think they have done that yet.

But having heard he was silly enough to pay his prostitute upfront, they might have thought this dude ought to also be good for a scare and a quick "you can just pay us the fine" shakedown.

After breakfast Owen and I walked up Walking Street towards the jetty where the boats set off to Koh Larn, overlooked by the big PATTAYA letters. It was good to get a change of scenery and interesting to see Walking Street by day. On the way back to my hotel it rained torrentially, the first bad weather of the trip.

It was Saturday and we began our evening's entertainment with a beer in Scooter bar, which is UK themed with the girls wearing Ginger Spice style union jack dresses. It's a good place for a quiet beer because none of the girls hassled us for a drink and the music is good. My Chang cost 80 baht.

A little further along soi Buakhao is Dragon Bar. Seven months ago I barfined a really lovely girl from here but now the selection of girls seem to be from the older side of the spectrum. The barfine is 400 baht and there's a tattoo parlour at the back in case you'd like to tattoo your favourite girl's name down your arm.

Walking along soi Buakhao I was drawn in to Krazy 80's by a lovely looking girl stood outside. I immediately offered her a drink and we clinked glasses and exchanged the usual small talk. She had a very cute face with braces on her teeth and the smallest hands I've ever seen, but a large tattoo across her back. The barfine here is 1000 before 11 pm and 500 after.

We met Owen in Danny's Sports Bar, which was showing football from back in England. Owen's team lost to an injury time winner but fortunately he had a sympathetic waitress on hand to dab tears from his check with a paper towel. Meanwhile I was hungry so bought a Thai brown curry from a vending cart nearby. By that I mean a steak and potato pie with gravy.

At Area 52 I had a poor experience. I bought a drink for a cute girl with braces but barely had she sipped her sang som and coke when a Korean man entered and she ran to him. I didn't mind at first but it became apparent he'd bought her a drink and she wasn't coming back. Twenty minutes passed before me, Sam, Owen and Bob decided to leave. But while the guys were settling their chits, I picked mine up along with the barely touched ladydrink up and took it to the bar. The mamasan is a cheerful older lady. I explained what had happened and how the girl had barely stood with me for two minutes, adding that I come to this bar almost every night. The mamasan agreed that the girl should have at least told me she had another customer and apologetically took the ladydrink cost off my ticket.

Poor customer service by the girl followed by excellent customer service by the mamasan.

Amusingly, as the four of us walked along Tree Town, the cute girl (now dressed in her own clothes) and the Korean, walked right behind us. He'd bar-fined her. Good luck to these girls trying to make as much money as possible but you can't ignore it when they treat you badly.

We had a drink at Apple Bar on soi Buakhao before going to Blue Moon, the first bar on the right when you enter the beer bar complex to the side of Tree Town. Five girls were performing in front of a webcam and a horn sounded every time some guy from the other side of the world bought them a ladydrink. Fortunately there were plenty of other girls in the bar, the prettiest of which I'm 70% sure was a ladyboy.

At Oh Bar the feisty girl I barfined a few nights ago was weaving her magic on another customer so I got chatting to a Scottish man who gave me some good bar recommendations.

It was 1 am and time to go lone wolf and find a girl. I bid my friends farewell and went to Boozer Bar to see if the cute girl was there. She wasn't. I left the beer bar complex and turned right on to soi Buakhao, hoping to see the lovely girl I bought a drink for earlier in the night at Krazy 80's but she wasn't there either.

However third time lucky I saw my favourite girl at Vixen and she looked even more dropdead gorgeous than ever. She ran at me when she saw me and wrestled me inside. I bought her a drink and we slow-danced to Take That's 'Back for Good' at the front of the bar before I paid her 500 baht barfine. She didn't even give me a short time price, she quoted 3000 for long time. I countered with 2500 and she accepted with a smile. I felt it was a good price for such a standout girl (this is the girl Owen said he got a hard-on just looking at on a previous visit).

Ordinarily I'd take the girl straight back to my room but the night took a random turn.

I noticed Kim, my Norwegian friend, sat at the front of Pook bar, so we joined him and his ladyboy companions for a drink. Then the six of us went to the hotpot restaurant in Tree Town, the one where you walk under an arch straddled by an octopus. For 269 baht you get a hotpot and can choose as much as you want from the buffet to put in it. My girl piled up the food and took great pride in looking after me, spooning the tasty food in to my mouth.

It was a great night. After 2 am the music from the bars was replaced by the croaking of frogs as I chatted and clinked glasses with my new friends. I didn't get back to my hotel until 4 am.

Amusingly the prettiest girl from Area 52 was next to me at the buffet. She's the one who I've never been able to get a drink for because she's monopolised by an elderly Korean man. Maybe this is a good tactic, coming to a food court after closing hours? She recognised me and smiled so I'll stay patient.

Back in my room, the sex was magical. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy fast'and'furious porn-style sex as much as the next man but sometimes you meet a girl you really like and the sex feels special. We had slow girlfriend sex for ages, kissing almost constantly. I don't think I've ever met a girl with such soft lips. She had small tits but big bullet-like nipples, begging to be sucked and made squeaky groans like a Japanese girl.

The best thing about long-time is nothing feels rushed. We cuddled up to each other afterwards and kissed until it started getting light outside. She told me she has worked at the bar for two months and usually gets 25 ladydrinks bought for her each night, as a result she doesn't often go with customers.

These are the kind of nights I dream about when I come to Thailand.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2763409]After breakfast Owen and I walked up Walking Street towards the jetty where the boats set off to Koh Larn, overlooked by the big PATTAYA letters. It was good to get a change of scenery and interesting to see Walking Street by day. On the way back to my hotel it rained torrentially, the first bad weather of the trip.[/QUOTE]Sir L. At the risk of sounding redundant, thanks for taking the time to write up your reports every day. Very entertaining and since I have no life, they are the highlight of my day.

[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2763161]"Out of disappointment, the Indian man asked for his cash worth 1,500 baht back, but the transvestite reportedly refused. The tourist then chose to file a police report at the Pattaya police station, but the officer informed him that what he did with the stranger was against Thai prostitution laws and may result in legal action against him. "

Dude picked up a ladyboy. Lost his money and got the spill straight from the police's mouth.

[URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2022/11/18/indian-tourist-files-police-report-after-mistakenly-taking-transgender-person-to-his-pattaya-hotel/[/URL][/QUOTE]This was indeed a comedy of errors as the ladyboy although being deft enough to steal the Indian man's watch left his ID in the guy's room.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2763323]That is okay. I will run by there and fuck her for 1000 same as this gogo chick just to prove a point.[/QUOTE]What point are you going to Prove?

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2763665]What point are you going to Prove?[/QUOTE]Seems a lot of people find this girl really attractive and for years people have said that if a chick will accept 1000 baht then she is ugly. Since it has already been established that this chick is attractive, if she fucks for 1000 baht then the people saying 1000 baht chicks are ugly have been proven wrong. It also proves that contrary to the beliefs of some, the same chick will go for different prices if one BM fucked for 2000, another BM fucked for 1500, and yet another fucked for 1000.

I enjoy waking up next to a beautiful girl you barfined the night before. We had sex again and spent a few hours curled up to each other, chatting. I got the impression she quite liked me, she told me how to say 'I love you' in Thai!

We decided to go for coffee and breakfast so I told her to choose where. I expected her to take me to Central Mall or somewhere upmarket but she marched me up soi Lengkee, left on to soi Buakhao and in to Cheap Charlies! She looked extremely pretty in her tight jeans and pink croptop, so received a lot of admiring glances from the elderly clientele.

I slept for three hours back in my room and soon it was time to meet Sam at 6 pm. However we had to delay because of a heavy shower. The top end of soi Lengkee gets flooded after heavy rain so once the rain had stopped I splashed my way to our designated meeting point.

Previously I would have spent most of my time visiting gogo bars each night but they're so disappointing these these. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of pretty girls but the barfines are all over the place, with no consistency at all between bars. It seems their business model these days is to discourage girls leaving the bar and make money via ladydrinks instead. On top of that the short / long time prices are crazy, with 3000/5000 routinely quoted. Of course you can negotiate and possible knock 1000 off but I could fuck a glamour model back in England for the same price as these gogo girls. I've got a trip to Angeles in Philippines booked for early next year, perhaps that will rekindle my love for gogo bars.

So another night visiting beer bars lay ahead.

We started at Booby Trap where I bought a drink for the lovely girl I barfined a few nights ago. She was looking especially cute with glittery eye makeup. This bar is worth visiting for a major tourist attraction. The world's lowest toilet door. You have to limbo dance to get in!

I bought a drink for my favourite girl in Annie Jacks. As well as being very pretty, she speaks good English so conversation is easy. My friend Owen speaks decent Thai so got me to say a few things to her, for example 'you smell nice'. But then he was up to his usual tricks and got me to unwittingly say 'do you like porn?' to her! She found it very funny and nodded vigorously.

The girl I long-timed the night before was in Vixen so I bought her a drink too. I like this girl so I'll definitely barfine her again.

We planned to go to Blue Sky Bar next on Tree Town, but there was a birthday party so there were no free seats. Quite often cheapskates search out bars with balloons in the hope for free food. So instead we sat at Avatar bar next door and enjoyed listening to the Thai singer belt out Thai pop songs.

I like Tree Town but sometimes there's too much traffic on it. It would be far better if you could walk down the middle of the road, eyeing the girls in the bars to the left and the right, without fear of being ran over by a motorbike taxi, a songthaew full of Indians or expats cruising. It's not as if the aren't plenty of other roads vehicles could use to cut through to 2nd Road.

Area 52 was quieter than usual. Sam bought a drink for his favourite girl and Owen a drink for a nice girl who said it was only her second day but spoke suspiciously good English.

Afterwards we went to Moonlight but it was disappointing. We were shown to a table inside where there were no girls, apart from one pretty in pink, playing pool with a farang. All of the girls stayed on stools outside, looking bored. Seven months ago this was my favourite bar with a great atmosphere but tonight it was disappointing.

I bought myself a ham and cheese toastie from a nearby 7 Eleven and we wandered in to the beer bar complex adjacent to Tree Town. We had a drink at one bar before I decided to be decisive and barfine a girl I'd bought a drink for from another bar nearby. The time was only 11.30 but I fancied an early night.

She was a smily 26 year old with typical dark-skinned Isaan looks. Her name was Guitar and I was looking forward to loosening her G string. Her barfine was 400 baht and she quoted 1500 short-time and 3000 long-time.

She was a funny girl. She hardly spoke any English but was the type of girl you can have a lot of fun with.

I lay on my bed and she kissed her way down my body and teased my dick with the tip of her tongue, then licked it like a lollipop, fixing me with a sexy stare. A promising start. Her catchphrase was 'halloooooo', which she said when she first saw my erection, or when I sucked her ear lobe, or when she lowered herself on to me for the first time. It was the only word she said, stretched out for added emphasis. So inevitably I started saying it too, when I sucked her nipples or when we flipped to another position and I was about to slide in.

The sex was great as she was an enthusiastic performer. As she was riding me she did something I really like. She stuck her tongue in my ear. We ticked off position after position before I took my condom off and she finished me with a blowjob.

I'm finding some great girls on this trip.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2763727]II've got a trip to Angeles in Philippines booked for early next year, perhaps that will rekindle my love for gogo bars....

I'm finding some great girls on this trip.[/QUOTE]Looks like you are having a great trip.

I don't want to be Debby Downer but Angeles GoGos may be no better. Go over to the Angeles forum to find higher prices, drinks only girls and ST runners.

Thanks for the great reports.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2763737]Looks like you are having a great trip.

I don't want to be Debby Downer but Angeles GoGos may be no better. Go over to the Angeles forum to find higher prices, drinks only girls and ST runners.

Thanks for the great reports.

G.[/QUOTE]Don't Worry.

This guy has Awesome Skills in picking out girls.

I know this is little off track topic, but was wondering how to go to samae san and khao kham island?

Does baht bus go to Khao ma jor pier? Whats the price of taxi?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=QuackUp;2763058]When I tried putting a be in front of the $, the auto correct would change it.[/QUOTE]You can correct the auto correct by clicking on 'edit post', right after you have posted your report. The auto correct will not work anymore then.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2763376]
As far as the not changing the sheets, I mentioned this in a recent report and it is indeed disgusting and unbecoming of such places. Even the back BJ cubes at the Soi Bongkot clubs where they host BJs there's no sheets or towels, you're just sitting on your bare arse where thousands of other bare arses have sat; they could simply put towels down at the very least in the BJ cubes. Next time I go to Pattaya, I may purchase a thin towel that I can carry around for these reasons and at least maintain some level of hygiene at these places.[/QUOTE]At the same time you're sticking your bare dick in a mouth where thousands of other bare dicks have been. Or do you ask for a condom?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2763789]At the same time you're sticking your bare dick in a mouth where thousands of other bare dicks have been. Or do you ask for a condom?[/QUOTE]Apples and oranges. The girls (at least the one's I've seen) brush and mouthwash before and after the deed. Whereas sheets are not changed, the seating is not cleaned in the BJ rooms, etc. And nothing is mutually exclusive, if that's your way of thinking of things then don't put a seat cover on a public toilet. Don't bother going to a restaurant and eating with washed utensils, just grab the used utensils from a previous patron's plate and start eating.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2763727]I bought myself a ham and cheese toastie from a nearby 7 Eleven[/QUOTE]Sir L. You are my brother from another mother. The ham and cheese toastie is my GO TO snack in Pattaya. The best 27 baht I could ever spend. Keep these TRs coming!

The plan was to go to soi 6 at 2 pm but a torrential downpour delayed us. When the rain died down to mere drizzle I left my hotel and met Owen at the top of soi Lengkee, who was wearing a poncho he'd just bought for 29 baht from the 7 Eleven. I decided to brave the rain as I didn't want to look like a man-size condom but soon regretted it as the heavens opened and the rain lashed down again. We sought shelter in front of a shop on soi Diana and I had to admire an old entrepreneurial lady who approached me, trying to sell me a 29 baht poncho for 100 baht.

By the time I arrived at the top of soi 6, I was soaking wet through. We started with a drink at Desire, where Owen got talking to a sexy older lady with butterfly tattoos.

At Lisa Bar the girls wore school uniforms, including plaid skirts that were so tiny, you could see their arse cheeks. I noticed a cute girl with a lovely bum so invited her to join me for a drink. She was 23 and had a fashionable haircut like Winona Ryder in Pulp Fiction. She rubbed my crotch as we chatted, getting me hard. A definite maybe.

Horny Bar proved to be inaccurately named. We walked in, past ten girls at the front of the bar, but none of the girls followed us or made any effort to chat. The reason became apparent. A Nightwish sticker on the mirrored wall opposite. A guy, Brian Flowers I believe, has bought a load of these bars and clearly his aim is to suck all of the life out of soi 6 by discouraging interaction as much as possible. The girls just stand at the front of the bar, so you've got to drag one inside with you.

I love the matching outfits on soi 6. We went to Roxy Bar where the girls wore pink tops and fishnets. An Aussie guy on the next table had the prettiest girl, with a fabulous figure. At Flirt the girls wore French maid outfits. The room at both these bars is 400. Owen bought a ladydrink for a nice girl and was quoted 1200. Prices on soi 6 are generally 1000 for the girl but the prettier ones will try for 1500. Have your negotiating hat on.

It was time to go lone wolf.

I left Owen with his girl and went for a recce. The girl from Lisa Bar wasn't visible and another girl I liked the look of was sat with a customer. I dodged the puddles in the street as I tried to find a girl.

Then I struck gold. Or so I thought. At Aom One Stop Bar near the Beach Road end of the street I saw a beautiful girl. I invited her inside for a drink and she had the face of an angel and, as an added bonus, big tits. She was 19 years old, smily and giggly. But when I enquired about the prices she looked uncertain and called the mamasan over. Without talking to the pretty girl, the mamasan told me it was the girl's first day and she was on her period. Hmm. Fortunately I'd taken the girls Line so will try and arrange something on another day.

I looked at the time and it was nearly 6 pm. I was planning to go out with the guys later so needed to find a girl as soon as possible.

Rewind a few hours ago, Owen and I were walking up the street when Owen saw an extremely cute girl with pigtails and a big smile outside one of the bars. 'Fucking Hello, she looks about 14!' he said. Well now here I was, two hours later, in a rush to score when the same girl flashed me the same cheeky smile. She looked impossibly cute. How could I resist?

I bought her a drink and she was in fact 21. I knew this was my girl. The room was 400 and although she quoted 1500, she accepted my 1000 counter-offer plus tip.

I stared at her bum as she led me up steep steps to a basic room. We undressed to shower and I had to laugh, when she took her heels off she was even tinier. The top of her head was below my chin. She had a slim figure and small tits.

The sex was brilliant. She didn't give me a blowjob but I was rock hard and desperate to get inside her. Her pussy was tight as I fucked her in mish and then she rode me. Feeling adventurous I then lifted her off the bed and fucked her while standing up. I've never done this position before but she was small enough to try it. The best thing was all of the kisses though. Even after I shot my load, we lay there and she kissed me for a good 15 minutes.

A great experience.

It was still raining when I headed out to meet my friends at 8 pm. After all of the drinking I've done over the past week, it was somehow appropriate we started at a bar called Rehab. It's a good place to start the night, relaxed vibes with a few lookers.

Over the past week we've noticed workmen and electrician's putting the finishing touches on a new bar on soi Buakhao and tonight it was open for the first time. It's called Wassy Bar and it is very nice inside with good lighting and a gogo stage in the middle. Two girls were dancing.

A week ago Buddy Bar on Tree Town had some nice girls but ever since they've all disappeared. We had a quiet beer and Owen joked he felt like he was at his grannies and each table had a tablecloth.

If you're hungry on Tree Town, you're never short of snack options. As well as the food court in the middle, carts go past selling all kinds of snacks. I couldn't resist a banana pancake.

I got chatting with a very pretty 19 year old at Area 52 with an amazing tattoo on her arm. She told me it was her first day but she spoke very good English and wow, she was a sexy mover. If I was on my own I'd have barfined her but I didn't want to abandon my mates too early. I enjoyed chatting with her so told her I'd see her again and buy her a drink.

I also bought a drink for a pretty girl at the dreadfully named Slutz. She was 22 and had a nice figure but was a bit cool for my liking and we didn't spark. At one point all of the girls were called to the bar for shots so I picked up the placard advertising vodka shots she had been holding and tried my best to lure in customers.

We went to MNM Bar in the beer bar complex next to Tree Town where Owen confessed he thinks he's losing his love for Pattaya, reminiscing that things used to be so much better, cheaper and more plentiful. He said he's still having a great time but he just needs that spark back.

For the second time today I decided to go lone wolf. I went to Krazy 80's but my favourite girl wasn't there, barfined no doubt. The same applied to the beautiful girl I long-timed from Vixen a few nights ago. The lovely Jen was still at her bar but playing pool with a customer.

I went back to the beer bar complex and saw a familiar face sitting on her own at the front of the bar. It's a pretty girl who one week ago was Sam's favourite but now apparently they've had a falling out. I bought her a drink and toyed with the idea of barfining her but I knew Sam would go ballistic if he found out.

It was late and suddenly I couldn't be bothered with the effort of talking to girls and having the same conversations. I walked up soi Honey and procured a last minute massage-with-extras with a foxy older woman for 1300 all in.

Unusually there was absolutely no pretence of a massage, we got straight down to business. The highlight was her deepthroating me and then me fucking her up the arse until I came. Who says romance is dead?

I've had a lot of sweet girls this trip but sometimes you just want a bit of filth.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2764005]The plan was to go to soi 6 at 2 pm but a torrential downpour delayed us. When the rain died down to mere drizzle I left my hotel and met Owen at the top of soi Lengkee, who was wearing a poncho he'd just bought for 29 baht from the 7 Eleven. I decided to brave the rain as I didn't want to look like a man-size condom but soon regretted it as the heavens opened and the rain lashed down again. We sought shelter in front of a shop on soi Diana and I had to admire an old entrepreneurial lady who approached me, trying to sell me a 29 baht poncho for 100 baht.

By the time I arrived at the top of soi 6, I was soaking wet through. We started with a drink at Desire, where Owen got talking to a sexy older lady with butterfly tattoos.

At Lisa Bar the girls wore school uniforms, including plaid skirts that were so tiny, you could see their arse cheeks. I noticed a cute girl with a lovely bum so invited her to join me for a drink. She was 23 and had a fashionable haircut like Winona Ryder in Pulp Fiction. She rubbed my crotch as we chatted, getting me hard. A definite maybe..[/QUOTE]Thanks for revealing your conversations are the usual Same Same non-sense.

I was getting a bit worried I'm the only one who has trouble communicating with girls who don't speak much English.

Debbie Downer chiming in.

Govt expect s 60 % of pre Covity business in Pattaya coming months.

Hardly anything to get excited about. Rooms will be available excepr the high cost ones, which govt say is going FAST.

Seems like a Yacht people invasion are expected. Rich Folk. Hahaha.

60% occupancy not Far away from 50%. Our Friend may have Ladies knocking down his door when they hear the Grim prospects this high season.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2764008]Thanks for revealing your conversations are the usual Same Same non-sense.

I was getting a bit worried I'm the only one who has trouble communicating with girls who don't speak much English.[/QUOTE]I think the girls are saying the same to each other about guys that don't speak much Thai.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2764008]Thanks for revealing your conversations are the usual Same Same non-sense.

I was getting a bit worried I'm the only one who has trouble communicating with girls who don't speak much English.[/QUOTE]I met a girl at Pretty Bar in TreeTown named "O". Great girl but didn't speak one word of English. Not one word. When I didn't take her, my buddy questioned my poor reasoning as I wanted someone I could converse with a little bit. The next bar we went into, I met a girl who spoke fluent English but she wouldn't shut the fuck up. I ended up going back to Pretty Bar but "O" was gone. Lesson learned.

It's rained a lot these last few days. It started drizzling as I was writing my diary on my bed, when suddenly there was the loudest crash of thunder I've ever heard. It made me jump out of my skin. Torrential rain lashed down for about an hour.

Eventually when it subsided I did my first laundry drop of the trip at a small place opposite my hotel. I had a couple of other chores I needed to do, including a trip to an ATM and a pharmacy, when suddenly I had a craving to find a girl. It's easy to get such cravings in Pattaya when you see all of the pretty girls go past on mopeds.

I must admit, I've been disappointed with soi Honey on this trip. I've walked the full distance of it half a dozen times and seen very little to inspire me. The best of a bad bunch seem to be those massage-with-extras places near the soi Buakhao end of the street and a small cluster about halfway down opposite Honey 1.

Soi Chaiyapoon, nicknamed Soi Pothole is more promising. As well as beer bars and massage places, there are several gents clubs. High Rollers gets good reviews but I've walked past it a few times and the girls perched on stools outside haven't been too inspiring. Maggie Mays seems to specialise in older girls and Dive Bar a few doors along is another gents club. The time was 3. 30 pm so perhaps they pick up later.

I saw four girls eating Thai food outside X-bar and two of them were pretty. I invited my favourite inside, who was wearing a blue velvet dress. She was pretty and I enjoyed chatting with her, so I enquired about prices.

'1500 everything' she replied.

She led me upstairs to a dark room that was several notches up from those you visit on soi 6. The bathroom had disco lights that changed colour as we showered. She had a nice body and pert tits.

Forget all other forms of foreplay, my biggest turn-on is kissing. She gave me a nice blowjob before she knelt on all-fours and invited me to fuck her doggy-style. We fucked in a variety of positions before I took the condom off and we did 69. I enjoyed the taste of her pussy so much I then got her to sit on my face as I wanked myself to an intense climax.

This is normally the cue for the girl to reach for the wet-wipes, session over, but she continued to grind her pussy on my face for another 15 minutes, her soft whimpering replaced by groans as she came to a quivering orgasm. She obviously enjoys the taste of her own pussy, as she hugged up to my side and kissed me, telling me 'I love you' at one point!

A memorable experience.

Owen and Bob had spent the afternoon on soi 6 so Sam and I decided to join them. It was 6 pm and we walked up soi Diana to get the baht bus on 2nd Road. A few nights ago I sat next to a Scottish guy in a bar who was quite brash and full of himself, a resident expert on all things Pattaya. Yet when I asked him which bars have the prettiest girls he said 'to be honest, the ones you've mentioned' before adding 'and Pussy Bar on soi Diana'. So fast forward to the present and here we were outside Pussy Bar at the time he said it would have the best selection of girls, and there was a grand total of no girls whatsoever. I'm calling bullshitter. Either that or he has some kind of financial stake in the bar.

We took the baht bus along 2nd Road and jumped off at the top of soi 6. It was much busier than my afternoon soiree the day before with many more girls. I remember being told a long time ago that soi 6 is a place to go in the afternoon but to my untrained eye it seems far better once darkness falls.

Not only was I checking out the girls as I slowly walked down the street but I was looking inside each bar to see if I could see Owen and Bob. I couldn't see them, so Sam and I had a drink in Toy Box and then another in Where Angels Play, where I chatted with a sexy girl with fair hair and big tits. A young girl with the skinniest legs I've ever seen got taken upstairs by a 50 something man.

Suddenly I saw Owen walking down the street so intercepted him. He was buzzing because he'd just taken a girl upstairs. His trip has started slowly due to illness but he was in buoyant mood. 'I'm back!' he declared.

I was physically wrestled in to Liquid by a girl with bigger muscles than me. The girls danced enthusiastically to hip-hop before Owen killed the vibe by asking if he could choose a song and playing a soppy Thai ballad. There was a very lovely girl in here with dark skin and lovely features. There were pretty girls in Avatar too, and I bought a drink for my favourite.

It would have been easy to take her upstairs but our plan for tonight was to visit soi 7 and 8. I must admit, I didn't have high expectations as both streets were like ghost towns seven months ago, but things have improved considerably since.

There are now several large open-sided beer bars with a number of girls. I bought a drink for a nice 25 year old at Luxor Bar. She was smily and good fun and looked smart in her own clothes, as opposed to uniforms bargirls often wear which leave little to the imagination. World Wide Beer Bar was decent too, with several nice lookers and one girl dancing on a table. A7-DJ Bar had a fairly average selection of girls, but Rolling Live opposite was busy with five girls and two ladyboys trying to tempt passing farang inside.

There are definite signs that soi 7 is having a resurgence.

Soi 8 also seems to be picking up. We walked its entire length before going in to Tiger Beach Bar, near the beach end of the street. Sam knows the owner, a girl he barfined many years ago. He showed us a photo of her then, aged 18 and sweetness personified in a floral dress. Now she was grinding up against Bob, her fake tits threatening to pop out of the revealing dress she was wearing.

It was 12.30 and time to find a girl. We got a motorbike taxi back to Tree Town but a quick sweep of my favourite bars wasn't successful. Noon, Ying, Jen and Annie were all either away from their bar or sitting with customers.

I must have walked 3 km around Tree Town, along soi Buakhao, in to soi LK metro, down soi Pothole, up soi Lengkee and along soi Honey. I didn't see any girls to tempt me and decided to call it a night and head back to my hotel.

But Pattaya is a city of unexpected surprises.

Soi Diana has underwhelmed me on this trip so far but I was passing a bar that was filled with older ladies. But sat there in the corner was a diamond in the rough, a beautiful fresh-faced girl. I bought her a drink and she told me she was 20 years old and from Cambodia. I clinked glasses with her and said 'aw khun' to the gods above, they'd delivered me a last-minute winner.

The barfine was 400 baht and she asked for 2000 short-time, immediately accepting my 1500 counter-offer. It was a fair price for such a lovely girl. She was probably half the age of most of the other girls on soi Diana.

Back in my room she had an incredibly tight pussy and I loved sucking her erect nipples. I fucked her in mish and she rode me noisily to a climax, showering me with kisses. I lay back and admired how pretty she looked, this sweet Cambodian cutie, riding me like her life depended on it. Thank you Thailand.

She collapsed on top of me afterwards as we both tried to get our breaths back. 'Me like fuck you' she said, not so innocent after all.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2764008]Thanks for revealing your conversations are the usual Same Same non-sense.

I was getting a bit worried I'm the only one who has trouble communicating with girls who don't speak much English.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764138]I think the girls are saying the same to each other about guys that don't speak much Thai.[/QUOTE]I've had some of the best times with "little English" girls. Given my poor ears, I can't distinguish the tones of Asian languages (Thai, Mandarin), so am doomed, but I find them to be very understanding with my butchering of the phrases I know. And a girl who is actually [U]trying[/U] to have a conversation is a good indication of future service IMHO. One of my ALL-TIME favs of 30 years was very limited. She called over her friend to translate (way before smart phones and apps). I never minded buying a couple of lady drinks for each just to catch her [I]views[/I]. You find a little about them, they you, and you become persons. And she was part of my BKK war story:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1012292&viewfull=1#post1012292[/URL]

Yes, it's ancient, but even with the capitals stripped out due to its being archived, I still think it's entertaining (OK, I AM biased), Some nights you just DON'T forget.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2764306]I must admit, I've been disappointed with soi Honey on this trip. I've walked the full distance of it half a dozen times and seen very little to inspire me. The best of a bad bunch seem to be those massage-with-extras places near the soi Buakhao end of the street and a small cluster about halfway down opposite Honey 1.[/QUOTE]Sir L. Check out Runway Bar on Soi Honey. I found that it was either a great place to start my night or end my night. The owner, Alex, is a good dude and the music is not too loud and the girls are a bunch of cuties. Keep up with the great reports.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2764306]
Soi Chaiyapoon, nicknamed Soi Pothole is more promising. As well as beer bars and massage places, there are several gents clubs. High Rollers gets good reviews but I've walked past it a few times and the girls perched on stools outside haven't been too inspiring.[/QUOTE]Greatly enjoying your truly entertaining reports and the session with the young Cambodian sounded excellent. Judging High Rollers from the outside is, respectfully, a mistake. It hides what is inside. The best of the Gents clubs in Pattaya IMHO. Lots of gold and bling but really well kitted out. The food is excellent, pool tables best in town other than the dedicated pool bars, really friendly staff, good rooms upstairs for action and I found a lot of very nice girls some with knockout bodies including the superb Aom. Nothing like the tiny Maggie Mays. Spacious, two floors, price for the room is 500 and girl ST is 1000 so very reasonable / standard. Well worth a look. I've tried plenty of the other gents clubs but always returned to this one.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2764117]Debbie Downer chiming in.

Govt expect s 60 % of pre Covity business in Pattaya coming months.

Hardly anything to get excited about. Rooms will be available excepr the high cost ones, which govt say is going FAST.

Seems like a Yacht people invasion are expected. Rich Folk. Hahaha.

60% occupancy not Far away from 50%. Our Friend may have Ladies knocking down his door when they hear the Grim prospects this high season.[/QUOTE]Government tourism estimates in Thailand are worthless.

The reality is that Pattaya is booming right now.

I used to have ladies ping me to come visit me in my condo all day long. Now, they only ping me if it's 2 am, and they don't have a customer at that moment.

Meanwhile, the top tier ladies are having their annual visits from their sponsors.

Owen and I decided to go to soi Bongkot early afternoon, a strip of gents clubs within walking distance of the soi Buakhao area.

To get there, walk on to soi Pothole and take the left fork in front of Triangle Bar. Follow this street until it meets 3rd Road and you'll see Kings Club opposite, where I had a very enjoyable rally with Thailand's answer to Emma Radacanu on my last trip. To the right of Kings Club there is a left fork. Take this road as it curves left and soon you'll reach a left turn towards Full Love Inn. It only takes about 15 minutes to walk there from soi Buakhao.

We arrived under slate grey skies, rain imminent. Soi Bongkot is a strip of about half a dozen gents clubs with names like Badabing, 007 and Amsterdam. Originally our plan was just to get a sense of the place, ahead of a full night-time exploration, but suddenly big drops of rain began to fall so we hurried in to Amsterdam.

I've been with over 100 girls in the city of the same name and it was there I fucked my first ever Thai girl, Oye, which gave me my Thai addiction.

Amsterdam was nicely done out inside with lots of private booths, partitioned with bamboo walls and curtains, should things get steamy. There were only three girls but all were pretty, probably mid 20's and wearing elegant red dresses. Owen spotted a nurses outfit hanging on the wall and before long his girl was wearing it on and using a stethoscope to check Owen's heartbeat.

A room upstairs here is 300 baht and it's 1500 to the lady for a full service. Good value I think given the quality of girls.

Outside there was a huge crack of thunder and when we left the rain was lashing down to such a degree, the entire road was completely under water, bits of litter drifting past in the current.

We were stranded on soi Bongkot.

Next door is Carre Blanc. The interior feels more like a bar than a gents club but to the side of the bar are several curtained cubicles and rooms are available upstairs too. Owen and I sat on a fake leather couch, opposite five girls, busy on their phones. The talent was average but one of them sat next to me and began stroking my dick. She was a hardened pro, probably mid 30's with blond hair and big fake tits and predictably I felt myself getting hard. 'Anaconda!' she said with a glint in her eye.

'500 baht blowjob?' she then asked.

Another huge crack of thunder shook the building, reminding me we wouldn't be leaving soi Bongkot any time soon. I decided there was only one thing for it. An emergency blowjob!

Before my first ever trip to Thailand I remember chatting with my friend Kiwi Al at the pub and he told me about blowjob bars in Bangkok. I was fascinated but I've never been to one but here I had chance to replicate the experience.

She led me to a cubicle next to the bar and pulled the curtain closed behind her. Then she knelt between my legs, pulled my shorts down and gave me a really good blowjob. In the bars I love to target young, pretty girls but sometimes their oral skills can be lacking. This cougar however knew exactly what she doing, nice tempo, slow and deep. I watched her head bobbing up and down in a mirror opposite.

It was quite exciting because I was only separated by a thin curtain from Owen, a matter of meters away at the bar. I could hear him chatting and sharing jokes with the mamasan. I lay back, closed my eyes in pleasure and shot my load in her mouth. A comprehensive vacuuming service!

The cost was 300 for the room and 500 for the blowjob.

The rain had stopped and there was now a pathway between large brown puddles to plot our escape. We only intended to come to soi Bongkot for a quick recce but we'd stayed for an hour and a half. We walked back along 3rd Road, past Big see and several flooded side streets. Wet season was meant to be over a few weeks ago but we've had heavy rain each of the past three days.

I picked up my laundry and had a couple of hours to relax in my room before it was time to meet the guys for another night out.

We started in Vixen where I bought a few drinks for my favourite girl, her hair newly curled and nails freshly varnished. She told me she'd had English classes in the afternoon, which cost her 10,000 baht for 30 hours. It's one of the reasons I like her, she's very easy to talk to.

Her English is so good in fact she nicknames me 'playboy', as she suspects that I 'go with many Thai lady'.

After a quiet beer in Blue Sky Bar we went to Area 52. The band next door was playing 'Sweet Child of Mine' as Sam bought his little girl a drink. It was funny, earlier in the night he told me that she'd annoyed him the night before (for reasons too tedious to go in to) so he was going to teach her a lesson and not buy her a drink tonight. But all it took was a flutter of her eyelashes and his steely resolve faded. He bought her two ladydrinks, gave her 100 baht for food and promised to barfine her later in the night! That'll teach her.

We went to Slutz and then Oh Bar. I bought a drink for a girl Sam has previously bar-fined but told me he has since fallen out with (it's like a soap opera keeping up with Sam's drama). 'Moving in on my girl?' he joked while simultaneously marking his territory.

The problem is, he has about five 'favourites' at Oh Bar so what are we supposed to do, sit in the corner and avoid chatting to girls for fear of breaking some kind of bro code? What makes it amusing is that he brazenly chases girls I've been with. My favourite girl of my last trip, Nat, told me on Line that he'd tried to bar-fine her just after I left.

I left the guys and walked to Krazy Bar, expecting my favourite not to be there again. But when I approached she stood up, waved frantically and shouted 'halloooo'. A warm welcome. I bought her a drink and we had lots of fun and laughter as we tried to mimic the dance moves on a TV screen opposite. But when I enquired about the barfine she told me 'cannot, have to meet sister'. It was already past 1 am so I suspect she didn't have time to squeeze a short-time in before getting picked up by her boyfriend at 2 am. Shame.

I ended up bar-fining my favourite from Vixen for 2000 long-time (previously she charged 2500 so she must like me). The sex was even better second time round and when we curled up to each other afterwards, she did something I really like. I was spooning her and she took my hand and made me cup one of her breasts before we both fell asleep.

I'm just over halfway through my trip and I'm having a great time. I've been with 16 girls in 12 days, including some really pretty ones, and the sex has been great too.

People who claim Pattaya is dead are wide of the mark.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2764567]Owen and I decided to go to soi Bongkot early afternoon, a strip of gents clubs within walking distance of the soi Buakhao area.

To get there, walk on to soi Pothole and take the left fork in front of Triangle Bar. Follow this street until it meets 3rd Road and you'll see Kings Club opposite, where I had a very enjoyable rally with Thailand's answer to Emma Radacanu on my last trip. To the right of Kings Club there is a left fork. Take this road as it curves left and soon you'll reach a left turn towards Full Love Inn. It only takes about 15 minutes to walk there from soi Buakhao.

We arrived under slate grey skies, rain imminent. Soi Bongkot is a strip of about half a dozen gents clubs with names like Badabing, 007 and Amsterdam. Originally our plan was just to get a sense of the place, ahead of a full night-time exploration, but suddenly big drops of rain began to fall so we hurried in to Amsterdam.

I've been with over 100 girls in the city of the same name and it was there I fucked my first ever Thai girl, Oye, which gave me my Thai addiction.

Amsterdam was nicely done out inside with lots of private booths, partitioned with bamboo walls and curtains, should things get steamy. There were only three girls but all were pretty, probably mid 20's and wearing elegant red dresses. Owen spotted a nurses outfit hanging on the wall and before long his girl was wearing it on and using a stethoscope to check Owen's heartbeat.

A room upstairs here is 300 baht and it's 1500 to the lady for a full service. Good value I think given the quality of girls.

Outside there was a huge crack of thunder and when we left the rain was lashing down to such a degree, the entire road was completely under water, bits of litter drifting past in the current.

We were stranded on soi Bongkot.

Next door is Carre Blanc. The interior feels more like a bar than a gents club but to the side of the bar are several curtained cubicles and rooms are available upstairs too. Owen and I sat on a fake leather couch, opposite five girls, busy on their phones. The talent was average but one of them sat next to me and began stroking my dick. She was a hardened pro, probably mid 30's with blond hair and big fake tits and predictably I felt myself getting hard. 'Anaconda!' she said with a glint in her eye.

'500 baht blowjob?' she then asked.

Another huge crack of thunder shook the building, reminding me we wouldn't be leaving soi Bongkot any time soon. I decided there was only one thing for it. An emergency blowjob!

Before my first ever trip to Thailand I remember chatting with my friend Kiwi Al at the pub and he told me about blowjob bars in Bangkok. I was fascinated but I've never been to one but here I had chance to replicate the experience.

She led me to a cubicle next to the bar and pulled the curtain closed behind her. Then she knelt between my legs, pulled my shorts down and gave me a really good blowjob. In the bars I love to target young, pretty girls but sometimes their oral skills can be lacking. This cougar however knew exactly what she doing, nice tempo, slow and deep. I watched her head bobbing up and down in a mirror opposite.

It was quite exciting because I was only separated by a thin curtain from Owen, a matter of meters away at the bar. I could hear him chatting and sharing jokes with the mamasan. I lay back, closed my eyes in pleasure and shot my load in her mouth. A comprehensive vacuuming service!

The cost was 300 for the room and 500 for the blowjob.

The rain had stopped and there was now a pathway between large brown puddles to plot our escape. We only intended to come to soi Bongkot for a quick recce but we'd stayed for an hour and a half. We walked back along 3rd Road, past Big see and several flooded side streets. Wet season was meant to be over a few weeks ago but we've had heavy rain each of the past three days.

I picked up my laundry and had a couple of hours to relax in my room before it was time to meet the guys for another night out.

We started in Vixen where I bought a few drinks for my favourite girl, her hair newly curled and nails freshly varnished. She told me she'd had English classes in the afternoon, which cost her 10,000 baht for 30 hours. It's one of the reasons I like her, she's very easy to talk to.

Her English is so good in fact she nicknames me 'playboy', as she suspects that I 'go with many Thai lady'.

After a quiet beer in Blue Sky Bar we went to Area 52. The band next door was playing 'Sweet Child of Mine' as Sam bought his little girl a drink. It was funny, earlier in the night he told me that she'd annoyed him the night before (for reasons too tedious to go in to) so he was going to teach her a lesson and not buy her a drink tonight. But all it took was a flutter of her eyelashes and his steely resolve faded. He bought her two ladydrinks, gave her 100 baht for food and promised to barfine her later in the night! That'll teach her.

We went to Slutz and then Oh Bar. I bought a drink for a girl Sam has previously bar-fined but told me he has since fallen out with (it's like a soap opera keeping up with Sam's drama). 'Moving in on my girl?' he joked while simultaneously marking his territory.

The problem is, he has about five 'favourites' at Oh Bar so what are we supposed to do, sit in the corner and avoid chatting to girls for fear of breaking some kind of bro code? What makes it amusing is that he brazenly chases girls I've been with. My favourite girl of my last trip, Nat, told me on Line that he'd tried to bar-fine her just after I left.

I left the guys and walked to Krazy Bar, expecting my favourite not to be there again. But when I approached she stood up, waved frantically and shouted 'halloooo'. A warm welcome. I bought her a drink and we had lots of fun and laughter as we tried to mimic the dance moves on a TV screen opposite. But when I enquired about the barfine she told me 'cannot, have to meet sister'. It was already past 1 am so I suspect she didn't have time to squeeze a short-time in before getting picked up by her boyfriend at 2 am. Shame.

I ended up bar-fining my favourite from Vixen for 2000 long-time (previously she charged 2500 so she must like me). The sex was even better second time round and when we curled up to each other afterwards, she did something I really like. I was spooning her and she took my hand and made me cup one of her breasts before we both fell asleep.

I'm just over halfway through my trip and I'm having a great time. I've been with 16 girls in 12 days, including some really pretty ones, and the sex has been great too.

People who claim Pattaya is dead are wide of the mark.[/QUOTE]Nobody is saying Pattaya is Dead. Patpong in Bangkok is Dead.

Pattaya needs Japaneseand Koreans paying 3,000 short time to make it Alive Again.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2764567]People who claim Pattaya is dead are wide of the mark.[/QUOTE]Everyone knows Pattaya is not dead. The conversation has always been about inflated prices and decreased quality. But of course people who take the money isn't an object approach will have an amazing time, which it certainly seems you are having. Cheers mate, keep the recaps coming!

[QUOTE=Vector313;2764579]Everyone knows pattaya is not dead. The conversation has always been about inflated prices and decreased quality. But of course people who take the money isn't an object approach will have an amazing time, which it certainly seems you are having. Cheers mate, keep the recaps coming![/QUOTE]Remind me of a location on planet Earth where prices are not inflated.

As for decreased quality, remind me of a mongering spot where quality has not decreased.

Explorer Rule #5: Quality always decreases the more you go to a mongering location.

Thanks to all and especially Sir Lancelot for the informative recent posts. Was in Pattaya for 11 or so days in October and need to do my own report. Would generally say that supply-demand was on my side being there in such a low season, and the weather also cooperated (always iffy for October). Only one provider on the beach walk I talked to wouldn't come down to B1000. Soi 6 was B400 room + B1000 + any drinks, and B1500ST or so +barfine was do-able with bars. I don't expect those to hold through high season, though. The tourism head in the Pattaya city government groused to the Pattaya Mail that that quarter they had to rely on Indians, Turks & Thais. He was lamenting that there were few Chinese or Russians, who'd spend more (he even wanted to make it so Russian bank Visa cards would work in Thailand but didn't say how). If that's the alternative then it's small wonder you'd feel welcome as a westerner, but the favorable pricing likely won't last.

I have a lady staying with me for a few days, I have known her for a long time. She likes ladies, but has no idea what to do with them. But I know she likes young ladies. So, I barfined a young lady, and after much tequila, they were both naked. My lady simply didn't know what to do, but the other lady had don3 many shows, so she licked her pussy. And then my lady hit her limit and was worshiping the parceling goddess.

Now my lady I# sleeping in the shower, and her Thai boyfriend is calling every 5 minutes.

[QUOTE=Ploughman;2764644]Thanks to all and especially Sir Lancelot for the informative recent posts. Was in Pattaya for 11 or so days in October and need to do my own report. Would generally say that supply-demand was on my side being there in such a low season, and the weather also cooperated (always iffy for October). Only one provider on the beach walk I talked to wouldn't come down to B1000. Soi 6 was B400 room + B1000 + any drinks, and B1500ST or so +barfine was do-able with bars. I don't expect those to hold through high season, though. The tourism head in the Pattaya city government groused to the Pattaya Mail that that quarter they had to rely on Indians, Turks & Thais. He was lamenting that there were few Chinese or Russians, who'd spend more (he even wanted to make it so Russian bank Visa cards would work in Thailand but didn't say how). If that's the alternative then it's small wonder you'd feel welcome as a westerner, but the favorable pricing likely won't last.[/QUOTE]He is crazy. Russians and Chinese rarely barfine lady. Or spend money elsewhere.

Well, I made a mistake. When I was abroad, I let aThai lady stay in my condo.

When I came back, I let her stay with me a few days, ie Long Time. Tonight, she got drunk as a skunk and passed out in my shower. But then, her Thai boyfriend started banging on my door. Apparently, he was sleeping here when I was abroad. How he got past Security is a mystery.

Anyway, I had some of her friends come to get her out of my condo, she is gone now, and back with her Thai boyfriend. After some crying, of course.

Since her Thai boyfriend knows where I live, she can't come back.

The problem is that every time she goes with another customer Long Time, he is going to bang on my door.

First and foremost, thanks for the INFORMATIVE FR's (locations, directions, scene, vibe, prices, services). AND entertaining. If you're not a professional writer, even if you are, I know how much time and energy goes into writing one, let alone multiple, so CHEERS.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2764567]Her English is so good in fact she nicknames me 'playboy', as she suspects that I 'go with many Thai lady'.[/QUOTE]Playboy? Maybe I'm just old, but the hierarchy used to be: butterfly, helicopter, sky lab [S]...[/S] the last obviously dating ME.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2764567]The problem is, he has about five 'favourites' at Oh Bar so what are we supposed to do, sit in the corner and avoid chatting to girls for fear of breaking some kind of bro code? What makes it amusing is that he brazenly chases girls I've been with. My favourite girl of my last trip, Nat, told me on Line that he'd tried to bar-fine her just after I left.he told me 'cannot, have to meet sister'. [/QUOTE]My friends, it was always common courtesy to ask permission, but permission always granted. All you're doing is losing your place in her queue for THAT night. Besides, if he [U]really[/U] likes her, why is he trying to reduce her income? It's not like no one else is going to pull her. So why not let her earn some money with a "nice guy" rather than a lug?

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2764567]I ended up bar-fining my favourite from Vixen for 2000 long-time (previously she charged 2500 so she must like me). The sex was even better second time round and when we curled up to each other afterwards, she did something I really like. I was spooning her and she took my hand and made me cup one of her breasts before we both fell asleep.[/QUOTE]Myself, I do like variety. But [I]regulars[/I] certainly have their own pluses. You know what she likes, she knows what you like, and she feels comfortable, relaxed, and safe with you. For me, regulars always enhanced the intimacies. Obviously it IS [B]P[/B]4P, but there are a number of variables in the equation. My experience anyway.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2764586]Remind me of a location on planet Earth where prices are not inflated.

As for decreased quality, remind me of a mongering spot where quality has not decreased.

Explorer Rule #5: Quality always decreases the more you go to a mongering location.[/QUOTE]Nice straw men you have there. I don't see any point in addressing them. Also what is your weird obsession with Thai boyfriends?

[QUOTE=Vector313;2764720]Nice straw men you have there. I don't see any point in addressing them. Also what is your weird obsession with thai boyfriends?[/QUOTE]Since I live in Pattaya, Thai boyfriends are a bigger factor for me than for someone here for just 2 weeks. If I take a lady Long Time, I have to take her boyfriend into consideration if she stays at my place. Or, if I want to travel with a lady, I have to think about whether her boyfriend will really let her go.

Last night, my Long Time lady's boyfriend lost his patience and showed up at my condo, banging on my door. So, I sent her home with him.

If you are here for a few weeks, you don't know about the boyfriend, all you know is your chosen lady tells you she cannot go Long Time because reasons, but its because she tells her boyfriend she doesn't go with customers "only drink".

A couple of weeks ago, I had a lady come from Bangkok to stay with me for 2 nights. After the first night, her boyfriend demanded she go home, which she did.

So, yeah, the boyfriend thing is a factor in my mongering, but its invisible to most guys. A related issue is the karaoke bar scene, since many ladies hit the karaoke bars after work. So, they try to weasel out of Long Time after 1 am, trying to get full payment so they have money to buy drinks for Thai boys. That's when they claim to get a message telling them they have to go immediately, a roommate has to go to the hospital, or lost their room key, or their baby is sick, or maybe they are sick. Anything to get away so they can go to the karaoke bar with their friends. The cure for the aborted Long Time is to tell them to come back after their emergency, and you will pay them when they return. That solves your problem most of the time, they will sullenly go to sleep and the "emergency" disappears.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2764714]First and foremost, thanks for the INFORMATIVE FR's (locations, directions, scene, vibe, prices, services). AND entertaining. If you're not a professional writer, even if you are, I know how much time and energy goes into writing one, let alone multiple, so CHEERS.

Playboy? Maybe I'm just old, but the hierarchy used to be: butterfly, helicopter, sky lab [S]...[/S] the last obviously dating ME.

My friends, it was always common courtesy to ask permission, but permission always granted. All you're doing is losing your place in her queue for THAT night. Besides, if he [U]really[/U] likes her, why is he trying to reduce her income? It's not like no one else is going to pull her. So why not let her earn some money with a "nice guy" rather than a lug?

Myself, I do like variety. But [I]regulars[/I] certainly have their own pluses. You know what she likes, she knows what you like, and she feels comfortable, relaxed, and safe with you. For me, regulars always enhanced the intimacies. Obviously it IS [B]P[/B]4P, but there are a number of variables in the equation. My experience anyway.[/QUOTE]Barfining girls in the same BAR? Massage parlors, beer bars, establishment not matter.

To the customer, Myself, I give no thought about it.

To the Girls, I think it Does Matter. Beware of Bargirls Dynamics and Politics and some Behavior that might seem strange.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2764781]Since I live in Pattaya, Thai boyfriends are a bigger factor for me than for someone here for just 2 weeks. If I take a lady Long Time, I have to take her boyfriend into consideration if she stays at my place. Or, if I want to travel with a lady, I have to think about whether her boyfriend will really let her go.

Last night, my Long Time lady's boyfriend lost his patience and showed up at my condo, banging on my door. So, I sent her home with him.

If you are here for a few weeks, you don't know about the boyfriend, all you know is your chosen lady tells you she cannot go Long Time because reasons, but its because she tells her boyfriend she doesn't go with customers "only drink".

A couple of weeks ago, I had a lady come from Bangkok to stay with me for 2 nights. After the first night, her boyfriend demanded she go home, which she did.

So, yeah, the boyfriend thing is a factor in my mongering, but its invisible to most guys. A related issue is the karaoke bar scene, since many ladies hit the karaoke bars after work. So, they try to weasel out of Long Time after 1 am, trying to get full payment so they have money to buy drinks for Thai boys. That's when they claim to get a message telling them they have to go immediately, a roommate has to go to the hospital, or lost their room key, or their baby is sick, or maybe they are sick. Anything to get away so they can go to the karaoke bar with their friends. The cure for the aborted Long Time is to tell them to come back after their emergency, and you will pay them when they return. That solves your problem most of the time, they will sullenly go to sleep and the "emergency" disappears.[/QUOTE]You pay for all this Drama?

No Offense. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2764781]Since I live in Pattaya, Thai boyfriends are a bigger factor for me than for someone here for just 2 weeks. If I take a lady Long Time, I have to take her boyfriend into consideration if she stays at my place. Or, if I want to travel with a lady, I have to think about whether her boyfriend will really let her go.[/QUOTE]In all these years I have never gotten a chick with a Thai boyfriend but for you this is a constant consideration? I have even stayed in many chicks' apartments and condos multiple times and still no Thai boyfriend.

And why would this be a concern for you? You think he would not be aware of what she is doing if they are living together and reaping the same benefits? Like he just thinks it is normal for a chick to come home with 1000 or 2000 baht everyday when any normal person is making 300 or 400?

Chicks that have an actual Thai boyfriend that have no idea their girlfriend is a hooker will make it known. Such as the Army guy that traveled to Pattaya years ago and killed the shit out of that chick in front of 7 on Walking Street. Stop acting like there is some big risk in fucking with chicks with boyfriends in Pattaya because there is not.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2764686]Well, I made a mistake. When I was abroad, I let aThai lady stay in my condo.

When I came back, I let her stay with me a few days, ie Long Time. Tonight, she got drunk as a skunk and passed out in my shower. But then, her Thai boyfriend started banging on my door. Apparently, he was sleeping here when I was abroad. How he got past Security is a mystery.

Anyway, I had some of her friends come to get her out of my condo, she is gone now, and back with her Thai boyfriend. After some crying, of course.

Since her Thai boyfriend knows where I live, she can't come back.

The problem is that every time she goes with another customer Long Time, he is going to bang on my door.[/QUOTE]So it took multiple friends to get a small ass paseed out Thai chick out of the shower? You are a grown foreign man; why couldn't you do it? I know many Thai chicks, but what I do not know is how to contact their friends. But you just run around with a rolodex full of chicks' friends? And who did you call to get the boyfriend away from the door?

I know a lot of guys that live in Pattaya. Some 20,30, and even 40 years. I do not know how long you have lived here, but how is it that you end up with more drama than anybody I know? This kind of stuff happens to nobody else, yet happens to you constantly? How Sway how?

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2764714]Playboy? Maybe I'm just old, but the hierarchy used to be: butterfly, helicopter, sky lab [S]...[/S] the last obviously dating ME.[/QUOTE]Yeah man that terminology went the way of the dodo bird.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2764789]Barfining girls in the same BAR? Massage parlors, beer bars, establishment not matter.

To the customer, Myself, I give no thought about it.

To the Girls, I think it Does Matter. Beware of Bargirls Dynamics and Politics and some Behavior that might seem strange.[/QUOTE]Where do you guys get this shit from? When you go to the food court and eat lunch from stall 1 one today and stall 2 the next day, do you think it matters to the vendors?

When SL bought the chick a drink and the other guy came into the bar and the girl ran over to him never to be seen again leaving SL with an unconsumed lady drink did that matter to the girl? You pay to fuck who you want to fuck and the girl is probably going to run to the guy she knows is paying to fuck.

Keep it simple and stop imagining drama. Maybe it is you guys' dream to be a movie star and have chicks jealous and fighting over you. You need to go somewhere other than Pattaya for that fantasy. Same thing works in both directions. It is not your girl, just your turn. It is not your customer, just your turn.

Please don't take all this too Seriouly you unfunny people.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zarJ_re6IA[/URL]

Photo thumbnails are Pretty Darn Hot. Watch the vidoe its hard to believe its the same girl.

Anyways this is what I think of when imagining what 2,500 long time gets you. Hahahaha.

NO OFFENSE.

P.S. Watch the whole thing quite entertaining.

The last four days here in Pattaya have followed an eerily similar pattern. Breakfast at Sports Lounge at 11 am and back to the hotel just in time for a heavy downpour.

Once the rain had stopped I decided to I needed an afternoon quickie. After my experience on soi Bongkot yesterday, I decided a gentleman's club was the way to go.

Soi Pothole lives up to its reputation, especially after rain when you find yourself plotting a safe route between the many puddles. I reached High Rollers, which I've noticed receives good reports online, but it was closed. The time was 3. 20 pm.

On previous jaunts down soi Pothole, Maggie Mays has had a collection of older ladies sat outside but I noticed a few younger and prettier ones today, so stepped inside. It's a small narrow bar and it was busy with expats, so I was shown to a seat right at the back, a poor vantage point to see the girls. A nice 20 something girl took my order but conversation was strained so I didn't buy her a drink.

There were probably about 15 girls in total and if the place's slogan 'Cum let us blow you away' is anything to go by, services provided upstairs might be worth experiencing.

The Den was being renovated and was a building site inside, and X-Club had few girls. I looked to see if I could see the pretty girl I fucked a few days ago but she was either off work today or was upstairs doing the horizontal tango.

I aborted the gents club idea as I want to leave soi Boomerang until another day.

Instead I walked along soi Honey, which it must be said has been a big disappointment on this trip. There haven't been many pretty girls at all, or even foxy cougars for that matter. I trudged up through the puddles, bemoaning the fact that this street is now a barren wasteland of washed up old pros, when a miracle happened. I saw a lovely girl sat outside a massage shop, who flashed me a big metallic smile.

I'd struck gold. 30 seconds later I was following her up three flights of stairs to a basic but well illuminated room. The bedsheets had a unicorn design. After showering she gave me a nice oil massage, during which she told me she was 20 years old and from Khon Kaen.

'Okay we boom boom now' she said sweetly.

The sex was really good, the bed banging noisily against the wall with each thrust. She looked so cute riding me and happily agreed to 69 to finish. Her pussy tasted good. We showered and got changed, then she told me 'finish work now'. I took her Line details as it's quite unusual to have a contact who is free in the evenings.

This trip continues to surprise me.

On the 3rd day I met a pretty freelancer on soi Buakhao with the biggest natural tits I've ever seen in Thailand. On my 11th day I stumbled upon a 20 year old Cambodian girl in a very unpromising beer bar complex along soi Diana. Now today I'd scored a cute 20 year old on soi Honey, which has previously disappointed me.

I love the thrill of the chase and it excites me that if you're patient, you can still find diamonds in the rough.

I had dinner at the small spaghetti stall at the junction of sois Buakhao, Diana and Lengkee. A big plate of bolognese costs 130 baht. Dessert comprised of a few pastries bought from the 7 Eleven opposite.

Owen and Bob spent the day in Jomtien, a place I'd like to visit some time as a change of scenery. As a result it was just me and Sam tonight. And a cast of a thousand eager Thai bar girls.

I bought a drink for the girl in Booby Trap I barfined and then we went to 89 Bar where Sam bought a drink for a Cambodian girl he's interested in. Last time they spoke she quoted him 5000 for long time, which seems to be the opening gambit for girls to older guys they've just met. Sam's tactic is to meet them several times and win them over with his sparkling personality (and ladydrinks) and more often than not he gets them down to 3000 long time.

We decided to walk further along soi Buakhao to see if we could find any promising bars. There is a pocket of bars like Friendship Bar and Scandinavia Bar which seem to cater for the older expats, with cheerful older girls. We had a drink at a large bar opposite called Barzilla, which had five girls, including one dressed in white with a pretty face.

Angel & Monster is a very distinctive looking circular bar at the entrance to Tree Town. I've always been tempted to visit but have been put off by the lack of girls. But tonight five girls were dancing on tables in the centre so we gave it a go. A couple of the dancing girls were pretty, including a voluptuous short girl with a dazzling smile. The waitress who served us was lovely too. Yet despite the nice girls and dancing, the bar hardly had any customers. My theory is that it's set back from the road too far, so men walking past can't gauge the talent.

Moonlight, on the opposite side of the street, had disappointed us on our previous visit, but tonight our faith was restored. We got good stools and had plenty of interaction with two girls who joined us at our table. This bar has some nice girls, including an exceptionally pretty girl who always seems to be sat with a Korean.

Area 52 is one of my favourite bars in Tree Town and has pretty girls. My favourite girl was once again playing connect 4 with a farang (she must be connect 4 champion of Thailand given how often she plays it) and the girl I bought a drink for several days ago with the amazing tattoo wasn't there again. The barfine here is 1200 before 10 pm and 700 baht after.

It was 10 pm and I decided I wanted to barfine a girl for short time and be asleep by midnight. The late nights are catching up with me!

I walked the short distance to Krazy 80's and thankfully my favourite girl was standing at the front without a customer. I paid 500 for the bar-fine and she quoted 1500 for short time. Deal.

We got back to my room and showered together. I'd describe this girl as cute rather than pretty, giggling almost constantly. She had a bit more meat on the bone than other girls this trip but I don't mind that. She had big soft boobs and her date of birth tattooed across her stomach - 2003.

She was shy at first, lying under the duvet wrapped in a towel, but soon relaxed. She had an incredibly tight pussy but before long I was fucking her, as we showered each other with kisses.

Then an amusing thing happened.

I rolled off and lay back, inviting her to ride me but she had a shocked, incredulous look on her face. Eventually she slowly lowered herself on and rode me gently before she started giggling. 'Why you laugh?' I asked, which only made her break out in to a fit of hysterics. Moments later we were both laughing uncontrollably.

A great girl. Cute, giggly and inexperienced.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2764781]

So, yeah, the boyfriend thing is a factor in my mongering, but its invisible to most guys. A related issue is the karaoke bar scene, since many ladies hit the karaoke bars after work. So, they try to weasel out of Long Time after 1 am, trying to get full payment so they have money to buy drinks for Thai boys. That's when they claim to get a message telling them they have to go immediately, a roommate has to go to the hospital, or lost their room key, or their baby is sick, or maybe they are sick. Anything to get away so they can go to the karaoke bar with their friends. The cure for the aborted Long Time is to tell them to come back after their emergency, and you will pay them when they return. That solves your problem most of the time, they will sullenly go to sleep and the "emergency" disappears.[/QUOTE]That's great practical advice, and a good strategy to employ. Thanks, and we need more advice like that to help us keep cool heads when the s. T. Hits the fan! Keep the money dangling in front of them rather than being forced into full re-negotiation. I've had a few too many situations where they try to change the terms of agreement once in your room. It can get nasty when they don't get what they want (even had a Viet MILF pull a knife on me! Even though they know full well they're swindling you. Have you had any instances where you either had to give in or go to hotel / condo security? Will security help in TH if you need to call them?

And the boyfriends, they can get violent, no?

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2764880]

I love the thrill of the chase and it excites me that if you're patient, you can still find diamonds in the rough.

....

Then an amusing thing happened.

I rolled off and lay back, inviting her to ride me but she had a shocked, incredulous look on her face. Eventually she slowly lowered herself on and rode me gently before she started giggling. 'Why you laugh?' I asked, which only made her break out in to a fit of hysterics. Moments later we were both laughing uncontrollably.

A great girl. Cute, giggly and inexperienced.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all your great reports. They're getting me pumped for my upcoming Christmas lechy tour!

Totally agree with you about perseverance through the chase. I've had many instances (including this past August in BKK) where I could have easily gone early with a NMCOT or simply could have given up and self comforted in my hotel room, but by seeking out a few extra bars, seemed to come up with 11th hour gems in the rough. Your afternoon find sounds unsurprisingly serendipitous!

And the cutie. That cracks me up. I landed upon one (hot) newbie to the go go game in August. She didn't laugh like yours did, but she nervously confessed before going down on me for BBBJ that she'd only been in this work a couple months (20 year old, straight from provinces) and wasn't very confident at giving head. At which point she proceeded to teach herself on the job and made me freaking explode after driving me wild for 20 minutes.

Here's to cute newbies, cheers mate!

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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764808]Yeah man that terminology went the way of the dodo bird.[/QUOTE]I believe butterfly is still a very common term at least to describe the very popular and well known girls around Pattaya. I know it's used to describe a certain sect of Instagram models that are commonly used for party advertising. I don't think I've heard the term to describe male customers though.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764811]Where do you guys get this shit from? When you go to the food court and eat lunch from stall 1 one today and stall 2 the next day, do you think it matters to the vendors?

When SL bought the chick a drink and the other guy came into the bar and the girl ran over to him never to be seen again leaving SL with an unconsumed lady drink did that matter to the girl? You pay to fuck who you want to fuck and the girl is probably going to run to the guy she knows is paying to fuck.

Keep it simple and stop imagining drama. Maybe it is you guys' dream to be a movie star and have chicks jealous and fighting over you. You need to go somewhere other than Pattaya for that fantasy. Same thing works in both directions. It is not your girl, just your turn. It is not your customer, just your turn.[/QUOTE]Buzzin Pattaya just did a video on this in the past few days, explaining the "losing face" in bar politics when it comes to returning to the same bar and going with different girls. He explained how to do it properly where nobody loses face, but if you don't there will be feelings hurt.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2764926]That's great practical advice, and a good strategy to employ. Thanks, and we need more advice like that to help us keep cool heads when the s. T. Hits the fan! Keep the money dangling in front of them rather than being forced into full re-negotiation. I've had a few too many situations where they try to change the terms of agreement once in your room. It can get nasty when they don't get what they want (even had a Viet MILF pull a knife on me! Even though they know full well they're swindling you. Have you had any instances where you either had to give in or go to hotel / condo security? Will security help in TH if you need to call them?

And the boyfriends, they can get violent, no?[/QUOTE]I only go with ladies that I know, or who know other ladies I know. If a lady pulled out a knife on me, she would not last long in Pattaya.

The swindles I encounter are more in the nature of feigned illnesses or imaginary emergencies. The remedy is to not barfine them again.

Tonight, I had a young lady (25) over for drinks. She has come many times, but I never fuck her, usually, I schedule her when I need down time between killer ladies. But, tonight, she wanted to know why I don't fuck her, and as the night wore on, she got more anxious about the issue, inquiring if I could fuck. So, after a lot of drinking, I decided to let her have her way with me.

She tried hard, but she didn't really do it for me. Part of it was that I knew that it was a challenge fuck for her. She has a live in boyfriend, so she is never horny with customers. But I went along with her and duly finished within 5 minutes. Which she complained about. Go figure.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764806]So it took multiple friends to get a small ass paseed out Thai chick out of the shower? You are a grown foreign man; why couldn't you do it? I know many Thai chicks, but what I do not know is how to contact their friends. But you just run around with a rolodex full of chicks' friends? And who did you call to get the boyfriend away from the door?

I know a lot of guys that live in Pattaya. Some 20,30, and even 40 years. I do not know how long you have lived here, but how is it that you end up with more drama than anybody I know? This kind of stuff happens to nobody else, yet happens to you constantly? How Sway how?[/QUOTE]The issue was that her boyfriend was banging on the door, so I needed somebody to calm him down before I could open the door. Her friends showed up, along with their boyfriends / husbands, and detained him, and then the ladies came inside and cleaned up my lady so she could leave.

You are lucky that this stuff doesn't happen to you.

As for bargirls living alone in a room, since most can sleep in the bar for free, they only pay for a room if the bar doesn't supply a free room, or they want to play with Thai boys. Mostly. There are all sorts of permutations, maybe the lady loves a Thai man, but he lives with another lady, and so she is just a gik, he comes to her room from time to time.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2764968]I believe butterfly is still a very common term at least to describe the very popular and well known girls around Pattaya. I know it's used to describe a certain sect of Instagram models that are commonly used for party advertising. I don't think I've heard the term to describe male customers though.[/QUOTE]I still hear ladies talk about butterfly customers, but these days it's about customers who claim to want a committed relationship but see other ladies on the side.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764801]In all these years I have never gotten a chick with a Thai boyfriend but for you this is a constant consideration? I have even stayed in many chicks' apartments and condos multiple times and still no Thai boyfriend.

And why would this be a concern for you? You think he would not be aware of what she is doing if they are living together and reaping the same benefits? Like he just thinks it is normal for a chick to come home with 1000 or 2000 baht everyday when any normal person is making 300 or 400?

Chicks that have an actual Thai boyfriend that have no idea their girlfriend is a hooker will make it known. Such as the Army guy that traveled to Pattaya years ago and killed the shit out of that chick in front of 7 on Walking Street. Stop acting like there is some big risk in fucking with chicks with boyfriends in Pattaya because there is not.[/QUOTE]Maybe 90 percent of the bargirls have a Thai boyfriend, or are shelling out bucks for a karaoke boy after work.

I guess you think that sex with 60 year olds satisfy 20 year bargirls, but I can tell you that when work ends, they are hungry for a young Thai boy.

Most mongers never notice the Thai boyfriends, but they are around. One very popular bargirl I know really wants to go to Phuket with me, because she has a very good lady friend in Phuket who fucks her good, but she can't go because of her new Thai boyfriend who is a cop.

Last year, I had a lady over for drinks, and she wanted me to fuck her ass, but I didn't because we had another lady with us who was busy eating her out. The very next day, the lady got married to a Thai man.

A casual monger never knows about any of this. The key is to remember that bar girls are just working, it's a job for them, and they have personal lives and their own wants and needs that have nothing to do with fucking 60 year olds. Of course, if you are 30 and work out, they may forget about their husband, same as most other women.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2764799]You pay for all this Drama?

No Offense. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]The lady in question is a super fuck, an expert in diagonal Reverse Cowboy. Probably why her boyfriend was banging on the door so long.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2764789]Barfining girls in the same BAR? Massage parlors, beer bars, establishment not matter.

To the customer, Myself, I give no thought about it.

To the Girls, I think it Does Matter. Beware of Bargirls Dynamics and Politics and some Behavior that might seem strange.[/QUOTE]Well no, it's only a show for the customer. If you change ladies in the same bar, it's forgotten in 5 minutes.

The exception is if the customer is a young hansum man, I have seen knock down street fights over a hansum man.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764811]Where do you guys get this shit from? When you go to the food court and eat lunch from stall 1 one today and stall 2 the next day, do you think it matters to the vendors?

When SL bought the chick a drink and the other guy came into the bar and the girl ran over to him never to be seen again leaving SL with an unconsumed lady drink did that matter to the girl? You pay to fuck who you want to fuck and the girl is probably going to run to the guy she knows is paying to fuck.

Keep it simple and stop imagining drama. Maybe it is you guys' dream to be a movie star and have chicks jealous and fighting over you. You need to go somewhere other than Pattaya for that fantasy. Same thing works in both directions. It is not your girl, just your turn. It is not your customer, just your turn.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, now maybe it's different in Pattaya, I don't know. Being Aryan (blonde hair, blue eyes, bad attitude), sun / sea and my skin DON'T mix, so Pattaya not my stomping grounds. But Bangkok [S]...[/S].

I'll take a girl one time from a bar, return, and if I'm going to take another, when the first starts to come over, a simple, subtle shake of the head (they are VERY astute), she changes course, saving face, because, after all, I'm not just a butterfly, but a BIG butterfly (wonder what the new terminology is).

But if I've pulled her more than once, no, I don't change [I]horses[/I] in that [I]corral[/I]. Because it IS a loss of face for the original girl: she wasn't good enough to keep her client / customer / squeeze satisfied. And the new girl you pick, to the original, she's a trespassing poacher. And that CAN cause BIG problems, especially if she's an enemy. It's office politics in ANY office; you have your friends, you have your enemies. And this is [I]SALES[/I], she's selling herself, and so a loss is a REAL potential cut in real income. There's a reason a girl runs over to a regular; that's steady income. Now, it's not the 2nd girl's fault, but that's not the way the 1st girl sees it. Now no one is thinking if you're not in [U]that[/U] bar you're home chanting Buddhist mantras. But like a tree that falls in the forest when no ones around, it doesn't make a sound, and if it doesn't happen in [U]her[/U] bar, it doesn't happen. It's just not discussed (though I did get a kick out of one regular, who, after we would finish, would take off and hold up the condom, saying, "Tonight, not much juice. What have you been doing?" Then punch me in the arm. Or if there was [I]sufficient[/I] juice to pass muster, it would be, "Oh, you've been a good boy".

Finally, there's a REAL reason why she will leave you, a [I]visitor[/I] for a regular; that's steady income. And she doesn't want any other coworker to cut in. Because it IS all about potentially losing places in various queues. She's not fighting over YOU, she's fighting over lost income.

Not fiction, but fact, straight from a number of BKK bg's. So personally, I'm considerate to not cause her problems at work. [B]MY EXPERIENCE[/B], YMMV.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2764970]Buzzin Pattaya just did a video on this in the past few days, explaining the "losing face" in bar politics when it comes to returning to the same bar and going with different girls. He explained how to do it properly where nobody loses face, but if you don't there will be feelings hurt.[/QUOTE]Buzzin can finally say with a straight face business is looking up. Red Planet Pattaya no longer offer rates in the Teens. Upper $20's I recall.

Same with Red Planet Asoke. One month one month ago you could get $650. Now you looking at over $1,200.

Do you know if Devilsden opened again? The website says they are opening on early 2022. If it's closed is there anything similar?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2764841]Please don't take all this too Seriouly you unfunny people.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zarJ_re6IA[/URL]

Photo thumbnails are Pretty Darn Hot. Watch the vidoe its hard to believe its the same girl.

Anyways this is what I think of when imagining what 2,500 long time gets you. Hahahaha.

NO OFFENSE.

P.S. Watch the whole thing quite entertaining.[/QUOTE]Haha. Seeing his other videos and found this.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rib1Z2gct2E[/URL]

I had her 4 times on my trip. Met her off tinder. 1500 per ST. Was good fun!

[QUOTE=Caino;2765060]Do you know if Devilsden opened again? The website says they are opening on early 2022. If it's closed is there anything similar?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]No signs of Devils's Den in September.

[QUOTE=NemanLion;2765078]Haha. Seeing his other videos and found this.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rib1Z2gct2E[/URL]

I had her 4 times on my trip. Met her off tinder. 1500 per ST. Was good fun![/QUOTE]She gives off Manly vibes. Hahaha. No Offense.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2764981]Well no, it's only a show for the customer. If you change ladies in the same bar, it's forgotten in 5 minutes.[/QUOTE]And they know what customers to put on the show for. I could see it in a joking manner but some guys are really believing this. Like the other day I saw this massage chick that I am fucking walking with a guy and I said Hello. I happened to run into her again yesterday and I said now you have a new boyfriend and you do not love me anymore. Did the chick really think I was serious the way guys are taking this "hooker losing face because a trick fucks somebody else" bullshit to be? If that is the case then imagine the face to be lost when their real significant other is found to be fucking somebody else. You are just a customer. They do not care about you going with somebody else.

Another nail in the coffin of the "Pattaya is dead" moaners: there are so many tourists now that Bolt prices are skyrocketing.

As for the "quality is down" posters: ever consider that there are so many customers that the top tier ladies are already barfined?

At 2 pm I met my friends outside Subway and we took the baht bus up 2nd Road for a day of fun on soi 6. Joining us on our afternoon of debauchery was Eddie Sweeney, who I believe has a popular Youtube channel.

We decided to work our way down towards Beach Road, starting at Candy Bar. A girl in lacy black underwear sat provocatively on a stool next to us, giving us a prime view of her perfect bum to get us in the mood.

Next we went to Lisa Bar, where Owen bought a drink for the pretty girl he fucked a few days ago. The most interesting thing I remember happening at this bar is Owen told us that 'dar ling' in Thai means 'monkey arse'. Fans of Shakespeare might be interested to know that 'ham let' means small dick.

We had a lot of fun in Smoke & Kisses. Eddie and Owen bought ladydrinks for two nice girls and I offered one to an older girl on the condition she gave me a shoulder massage. She was good fun. She pulled up her mini-skirt and asked me to slap her arse cheeks, so I duly obliged.

Owen liked his girl (he'd later tell me he regretted not taking her). She was a pretty younger girl with a bit of meat on the bone, but lots of fun and affectionate too. He asked her 'are you kinky?' but she didn't understand, so Bob helpfully demonstrated via the medium of mime.

Passion had a fairly average selection but as always when you take your time over a drink, you see beauty in the girls (helped admittedly by the skimpy outfits they wear). The prettiest was very short but was with a customer, while another had copper-tinged hair and a stellar figure.

I enjoy walking down the middle of the road, trying to quickly gauge the talent as a huddle of 15 girls in sexy outfits tries to grab your attention.

Wrath had a pretty selection of girls. Almost immediately all of the girls went to the back of the bar to collect their tip earnings from the night before, so I tried to drum up custom by picking up one of their placards and standing in the street, trying to coax customers inside. Needless to say, I was a bit drunk by this point!

When the girls retook their position at the front of the bar I got chatting with a lovely 21 year old, who spoke good English and had a great sense of humour. Sometimes when a girl asks 'where you from?' I answer 'China'. The girls usually look confused and then slap me on the shoulder when they realise that I'm teasing, but this girl, quick as a flash, said 'I from Hong Kong'. She had long straight black hair, braces on her teeth and looked fabulous in the sexy black dress she was wearing. I couldn't resist taking her upstairs.

The room was 400 and she initially quoted 1700. She must have seen my furrowed brow because she immediately came down to 1500 before I had chance to speak. The price for the large majority of girls on soi 6 seems to be 1000 but the youngest and prettiest try their luck with 1500. I really liked this girl and knew she wouldn't struggle to find another customer who'd pay her asking price, so I told her I'd give her 1300.

I had a sense of theéjà vu when she led me in to the room upstairs, before I realised it was the same room I'd be taken to by another girl on the second day of my trip.

She shrunk dramatically when she took her heels off and stripped off to reveal a lovely slender figure. We showered and then I lay on the hard bed as she put Thai music on her phone. The sex was great, with lots of kissing. Earlier in the bar we'd been tickling each other, and she surprised me by tickling my armpits as I fucked her in mish. When she rode me she tickled my stomach and when we 69 d eachother she tickled my feet! This girl was ting tong but I find that an attractive trait.

A really enjoyable session.

I met the guys in Avarice, where Owen was chatting with a pretty girl. He told me that the cute girl I'd fucked a few days earlier had been taken upstairs by a fat Arabian man.

Toy Box was packed inside as there was a birthday party on. The birthday girl was a pretty little thing, sat next to a Slovakian. There were other pretty girls too but I needed a tactical timeout after my exertions in Wrath.

Owen hadn't taken a girl yet so he decided he'd walk up the street and pick a girl. Playpen had an attractive selection of youngish girls so Owen picked a nice looking one. She was hard work though and difficult to get a smile out of. Always best to steer clear of girls whose hearts clearly aren't in it.

In Lust on soi 6 he met a nice girl with a great personality, so took her upstairs leaving me and Bob holding the fort. I bought a ladydrink for a very sweet looking 18 year old with a chopped fringe. She was a bundle of energy, loved to dance and laughed loudly at almost everything. I enquired about prices but she told me 'no go tonight'. With the aid of another girl, I ascertained that she was on her period. It's a common excuse the girls use when they don't want to go with a customer but in this case I think she was probably telling the truth. She gave me her Line so hopefully I'll see her again.

Owen eventually reappeared so I stopped the stopwatch on my phone. He'd been upstairs for 48 minutes and 43 seconds.

We grabbed a bite to eat at McDonalds and decided to head back to our hotels. It was Friday night and the bars along soi Diana were noticeably busier with lots of girls, including several pretty ones.

I think all of these late nights and excessive drinking is catching up on me, not to mention today's nine hour session on soi 6. Here I was, walking past dozens of eager girls but all I could think about was my bed. I was asleep before midnight.

P.S. Many thanks to those of you who have left nice comments about my diary. I don't have time to reply individually as the WiFi at my hotel isn't great, but I appreciate them. If you're interested, this entire diary will be featured on my friend's Youtube channel, Eyes of Owen, early December.

Pattaya needs more of these Bank Managers. Hahahaha.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ6umoOEc-c[/URL]

[QUOTE=Caino;2765060]Do you know if Devilsden opened again? The website says they are opening on early 2022. If it's closed is there anything similar?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Not open, if it ever will be again. Former Eden Club in Bangkok is now called Red Fern and doing the same thing. I made a post on it in the Bangkok forum, but they only had 2 girls total working there when I went and they didn't interest me.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2764979]Maybe 90 percent of the bargirls have a Thai boyfriend, or are shelling out bucks for a karaoke boy after work.

I guess you think that sex with 60 year olds satisfy 20 year bargirls, but I can tell you that when work ends, they are hungry for a young Thai boy.[/QUOTE]I agree with Mr E you guys are full of shit, especially Explorer8939. Many of the bargirls are lesbians and have no need for a boyfriend. 90% have a Thai boyfriend total bullshit.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2765218]I agree with Mr E you guys are full of shit, especially Explorer8939. Many of the bargirls are lesbians and have no need for a boyfriend. 90% have a Thai boyfriend total bullshit.[/QUOTE]" Full of Shit " People are starting to figure it out? Know what they say? If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quakes like a duck. Full of shit is being kind! LOL 555, what is that smell?

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2765218]I agree with Mr E you guys are full of shit, especially Explorer8939. Many of the bargirls are lesbians and have no need for a boyfriend. 90% have a Thai boyfriend total bullshit.[/QUOTE]I can't disagree, a lot of bargirls live with Tomboys.

If you are saying that they are lesbians, but don't need a partner, that is not accurate.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2765240]" Full of Shit " People are starting to figure it out? Know what they say? If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quakes like a duck. Full of shit is being kind! LOL 555, what is that smell?[/QUOTE]Not a very useful post.

Tonight, I rented a pool villa in Pratumnak, and had 3 ladies over during the day. They were eager to please, but the damned maintainence guys kept showing up to put water in the pool. Finally they went away, but then the tequila ran out.

Now I have to retrieve 2 ladies for the night, but Bolt is not available.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2765240]" Full of Shit " People are starting to figure it out? Know what they say? If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quakes like a duck. Full of shit is being kind! LOL 555, what is that smell?[/QUOTE]To be Fairly Fair.

Mr Alphabet spouts a lot of Hard to Believe s also.

He looks like a condom full of walnuts that's held his breath too long.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2765194]Pattaya needs more of these Bank Managers. Hahahaha.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ6umoOEc-c[/URL][/QUOTE]

Last night was the busiest I have seen in Pattaya. There was no Bolt available. The baht buses were overcrowded and wouldn't stop, although they were passing every minute. I saw a line of people walking into Pattaya from Jomtien.

It took me an hour to get from Pratumnak to Soi Buakhow, which was jammed with traffic.

I barfined 2 ladies from Maggie Mays and took them back to my condo, and proceeded to drink tequila for a couple of hours. The first thing I noticed was that the 2 ladies were very similar, same size, same age, they looked the same. The obvious difference was one was drunker than the other. The other similarity is that neither would go Long Time, I suspect both see karaoke boys when they finish work.

Once claimed that I was the only customer she went Long Time with, but I think she meant that I was the only customer she left the bar with. She claimed she was afraid of leaving the bar with a customer.

After a few hours, one of the ladies got impatient and wanted to leave. She said she wanted to fuck and go, so the 3 of us went to the bedroom, where we went through the various basics of a 3 some. One left so the other could fuck me, but I cut it off to retrieve the other lady to fuck her, too. But it was clear she was anxious to go, so she clearly is not a repeat. But the other lady is a keeper, a potential 3 holer.

Also, the impatient one would disappear into the bathroom with her cellphone, a clear sign she had plans later on with a Thai boy. Another indication of how the Thai boyfriend can impact your mongering, although you don't see it unless you know what's going on.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2765376]Last night was the busiest I have seen in Pattaya. There was no Bolt available. The baht buses were overcrowded and wouldn't stop, although they were passing every minute. I saw a line of people walking into Pattaya from Jomtien.

It took me an hour to get from Pratumnak to Soi Buakhow, which was jammed with traffic.

I barfined 2 ladies from Maggie Mays and took them back to my condo, and proceeded to drink tequila for a couple of hours. The first thing I noticed was that the 2 ladies were very similar, same size, same age, they looked the same. The obvious difference was one was drunker than the other. The other similarity is that neither would go Long Time, I suspect both see karaoke boys when they finish work.

Once claimed that I was the only customer she went Long Time with, but I think she meant that I was the only customer she left the bar with. She claimed she was afraid of leaving the bar with a customer.

After a few hours, one of the ladies got impatient and wanted to leave. She said she wanted to fuck and go, so the 3 of us went to the bedroom, where we went through the various basics of a 3 some. One left so the other could fuck me, but I cut it off to retrieve the other lady to fuck her, too. But it was clear she was anxious to go, so she clearly is not a repeat. But the other lady is a keeper, a potential 3 holer.

Also, the impatient one would disappear into the bathroom with her cellphone, a clear sign she had plans later on with a Thai boy. Another indication of how the Thai boyfriend can impact your mongering, although you don't see it unless you know what's going on.[/QUOTE]Wasn't there a Thai fireworks festival this weekend.

? Thais love their Festivals.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2765376]Last night was the busiest I have seen in Pattaya.

It took me an hour to get from Pratumnak to Soi Buakhow, which was jammed with traffic.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. And I have been to Fireworks Festivals here before. New Years Eve. Loy Kratong. I would say you got lucky if it only took 1 hour. I got home at 12 and my buddy was talking about going to 808. Yeah fuck that. I was going nowhere back near that traffic.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2765128]And they know what customers to put on the show for. I could see it in a joking manner but some guys are really believing this. Like the other day I saw this massage chick that I am fucking walking with a guy and I said Hello. I happened to run into her again yesterday and I said now you have a new boyfriend and you do not love me anymore. Did the chick really think I was serious the way guys are taking this "hooker losing face because a trick fucks somebody else" bullshit to be? If that is the case then imagine the face to be lost when their real significant other is found to be fucking somebody else. You are just a customer. They do not care about you going with somebody else.[/QUOTE]If the boyfriend of a Thai lady were to go with another Thai lady, that could be a fatal mistake. Thai ladies are extremely jealous of their boyfriends.

However, if a Thai man were to fuck a Farang lady, the Thai girlfriend would be flattered, as long as it were a one night thing.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2765376]Last night was the busiest I have seen in Pattaya. There was no Bolt available. The baht buses were overcrowded and wouldn't stop, although they were passing every minute. I saw a line of people walking into Pattaya from Jomtien.[/QUOTE]It is Pattaya International Fireworks Festival 2022 last night and tonight. Big crowds, roads closed, etc. Fireworks being launched off barges out in the bay, Beach Road closed, all the white tents along Beach Road are being used by street food vendors, families by the thousand on the beach to watch the shows.

Expect the same tonight. [URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2022/11/24/final-details-for-pattaya-international-fireworks-festival-2022-parking-firework-times-road-closures-etc/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2765376]Last night was the busiest I have seen in Pattaya. There was no Bolt available. The baht buses were overcrowded and wouldn't stop, although they were passing every minute. I saw a line of people walking into Pattaya from Jomtien.

It took me an hour to get from Pratumnak to Soi Buakhow, which was jammed with traffic.

I barfined 2 ladies from Maggie Mays and took them back to my condo, and proceeded to drink tequila for a couple of hours. The first thing I noticed was that the 2 ladies were very similar, same size, same age, they looked the same. The obvious difference was one was drunker than the other. The other similarity is that neither would go Long Time, I suspect both see karaoke boys when they finish work.

Once claimed that I was the only customer she went Long Time with, but I think she meant that I was the only customer she left the bar with. She claimed she was afraid of leaving the bar with a customer.

After a few hours, one of the ladies got impatient and wanted to leave. She said she wanted to fuck and go, so the 3 of us went to the bedroom, where we went through the various basics of a 3 some. One left so the other could fuck me, but I cut it off to retrieve the other lady to fuck her, too. But it was clear she was anxious to go, so she clearly is not a repeat. But the other lady is a keeper, a potential 3 holer.

Also, the impatient one would disappear into the bathroom with her cellphone, a clear sign she had plans later on with a Thai boy. Another indication of how the Thai boyfriend can impact your mongering, although you don't see it unless you know what's going on.[/QUOTE]" Not a useful Post " " Although you don't see it UNLESS you know what's going on " It isn't " you know what is going on " your constant reference is basically ASSUMPTIONS AND GENERALIZATION! From a few so call mamasan you've been with. Here is one " Oh there is a non-Farang sitting at a Bar, therefore, it must be a Thai customer or even someone's Boyfriend! There is a long list! Oh, don't let me stop you but expect some negative feedback!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2763668]Seems a lot of people find this girl really attractive and for years people have said that if a chick will accept 1000 baht then she is ugly. Since it has already been established that this chick is attractive, if she fucks for 1000 baht then the people saying 1000 baht chicks are ugly have been proven wrong. It also proves that contrary to the beliefs of some, the same chick will go for different prices if one BM fucked for 2000, another BM fucked for 1500, and yet another fucked for 1000.[/QUOTE]Good luck with that one.

I went to see her lately after all the advertisement for her on this board (and probably others).

It has already been said that she accepted 1000 baht offers in the past.

After spending ten minutes with her in the club (she put me off vibe very quickly), my guess is she already has a big book of regulars that come and fuck her often (thanks to internet advertisement) ,a lot of them are already fucking her for 1000 probably. She didn't seem to like my 1000 baht offer and give me the impression that she is not willing to accept 1000 bahts offers from new comers anymore but who knows, as we all know, it all depends on the timing in which you meet her.

For anyone who is interrested in her, she is very nice and polite, have a decent capacity to speak English, and I have to admit she looks pretty at close range too (with clothes on at least, when clothes are off I suspect she has a flat ass).

But that alone doesn't made her attractive, she's got her own rules, and personnaly I felt that the session will probably be not fun so I declined her offer and moved away after paying the bill (120 for LD and 95 for my beer).

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2765424]" Not a useful Post " " Although you don't see it UNLESS you know what's going on " It isn't " you know what is going on " your constant reference is basically ASSUMPTIONS AND GENERALIZATION! From a few so call mamasan you've been with. Here is one " Oh there is a non-Farang sitting at a Bar, therefore, it must be a Thai customer or even someone's Boyfriend! There is a long list! Oh, don't let me stop you but expect some negative feedback![/QUOTE]Posts about mongers here are not useful. If you have useful information about Pattaya, please post it.

I don't assume anyone is Thai, unless they speak Thai. I do see the occasional Malaysian customer in a bar. And since the bars are getting more customers, I am not seeing them allowing Thai men in as customers.

Having said that, the short term monger simply has no idea of the amount of bargirls with Thai boyfriends (or Tomboys). If you doubt me, check out the after hours Thai bars that are all over Pattaya now. They all aren't karaoke bars, many are mixed bars where ladies can mingle with Thai men who aren't openly money boys.

[QUOTE=SonicBam;2765423]It is Pattaya International Fireworks Festival 2022 last night and tonight. Big crowds, roads closed, etc. Fireworks being launched off barges out in the bay, Beach Road closed, all the white tents along Beach Road are being used by street food vendors, families by the thousand on the beach to watch the shows.

Expect the same tonight. [URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2022/11/24/final-details-for-pattaya-international-fireworks-festival-2022-parking-firework-times-road-closures-etc/[/URL].[/QUOTE]True, but I have been in Pattaya during these shows before, and it has never been as crowded.

Fortunately, I have day ladies coming soon, so I don't have to worry about the crowds for now.

[QUOTE=Fmojo;2764225]I met a girl at Pretty Bar in TreeTown named "O". Great girl but didn't speak one word of English. Not one word. When I didn't take her, my buddy questioned my poor reasoning as I wanted someone I could converse with a little bit. The next bar we went into, I met a girl who spoke fluent English but she wouldn't shut the fuck up. I ended up going back to Pretty Bar but "O" was gone. Lesson learned.[/QUOTE]Probably not a big loss for you.

Lately I've met a few young girls (around 20,22) that speak zero English (not in Tree town, but in soi6).

Each times the girls were unwilling to do most of the stuffs in the room (mostly they won't do DFK, DATY, and BJ), they come very inexperienced, some of them even never had a boyfriend in their lives before working there.

For me it's still all good because their fresh pussy and their cuteness can compensate their lack of experience and I can communicate in Thai with them to get them relaxed but I believe most guys wouldn't have fun with them without being able to communicate at leats a little bit.

When I write these diaries I try to give a completely honest portrayal, good or bad. I don't sugarcoat things. So far on this trip I've had a great time but tonight was a horror show.

I spent early afternoon videoing for my friend's Youtube channel. At one point I was videoing a dog being given a hosepipe shower by its owner, when it leapt at me, soaking me in the process. This moment of comedy misfortune would be the story of the day.

We headed to soi 7. It was 3. 45 pm and the beer bars were quiet but showing signs of life. But the bars further up the street were busy. A7-DJ bar had lots of pretty girls but beware, this is a live stream bar so good luck taking any of them back to your hotel with you. Hookup Bar at the junction of soi 7 was also busy as there was a birthday party going on.

I decided to seek out some afternoon action. I walked down soi Honey but didn't see any honeys and it was the same story on soi Pothole. I remember in days gone by you'd be spoilt for choice on these streets but aside from the occasional hidden gem, there is very little to get excited about these days.

So I abandoned my plan and took the opportunity to relax in my room for a few hours.

I met Sam at 7 pm outside Subway and we started the night with a drink at Vixen. The girl I've barfined twice was with a customer and so was the new girl Sam has got his sights set on.

It was Sunday evening and light rain was falling so Tree Town was quiet. We had a drink in Pretty Bar, which didn't live up to its name but beer was just 59 baht as it was happy hour. 08 bar is set back in the corner and also had cheerful older girls. In contrast to the rock music blaring out at other bars, this one had country & western which made it a good place to relax and watch the world go by.

The prettiest girl at Area 52 was in her casual clothes, sat with a middle-aged German man. He's barfined her at least three night in a row and it seems was making the rookie mistake of falling for a girl. Soon his holiday will be over, or his money will run out, and he'll be heartbroken when he realised how transactional his romance is.

Sam likes to spoil his favourite girl. He buys her ladydrinks and gives her 100 baht to get food (I had a taste and my lips were still burning five minutes later). Tonight she wasn't feeling well so Sam paid her barfine and told her to go home and rest. I can't help feeling nice gestures like that will result in her being ill more often!

Feeling hungry I went to a restaurant on the corner of Tree Town and devoured a pork fried rice, which cost 90 baht.

Just like the other bars, Oh Bar was quiet with not many girls. One of my favourite girls here is a girl who works behind the bar. While the other girls wear low-cut tops and sexy outfits, she dresses more modestly and is more desirable as a result. She was wearing a pretty floral dress and hugging a cuddly toy I presume a customer had bought her.

I decided to backtrack to Vixen and barfine my favourite girl for the third time. I bought her a ladydrink but she wasn't her usual fun and flirty self, perhaps distracted by a group of three guys buying shots for the other girls at the back of the bar. Or perhaps it was something else. Strangely she accused me of having a girlfriend which is not the case. Perhaps that's Thai-speak for barfining other girls, or perhaps Sam who I know for a fact wants to barfine her when I'm back in England, has told her something to stir the pot. Either way, I found it irritating. I'd come to Vixen to barfine her but she was giving me grief. I paid my chit and left.

There weren't many unaccompanied pretty girls at Annie Jacks and I was joined by a 40 year old who just wouldn't take the hint I didn't want to buy her a drink.

It was turning in to a frustrating night so I paid my bill and said goodnight to Sam, before going to soi Diana and buying a drink for the cute girl I barfined from one of beer-bar complexes the night before. It was nice to get a warm welcome and she gave me a kiss on the lips before I left. I love the names of some these bars. Dick Inn, Pussy Bar, Inn Love.

The time was 1 am so I decided to try soi Pothole. For a change there was a pretty selection outside High Rollers including a particularly pretty girl I invited inside with me. It's done out like a gogo inside with lots of comfy seats around small stage, on which three girls in bikinis danced. My girl was 24, pretty and spoke immaculate English but when I enquired about prices she told me 'I not go with customer', pointing at her sophisticated dress by way of explanation.

I saw a nice girl outside Inferno and bought her a drink. She was tall and skinny with a nice face so I decided to take her. The barfine was 500 but she told me that she'd meet me at the end of her shift in 40 minutes to save me paying it. She asked for 2000 short time but accepted 1500. We swapped Line details and I gave her the name of my hotel.

I paid for the drinks, went back to my hotel, showered and then lay expectantly on my bed waiting for her to come over. What could possibly go wrong?

My phone buzzed at 2. 05 am. 'Can we meet tomorrow?' she said.

I told her I couldn't so after a bit of back and forth on Line she agreed to come to see me. But she told me she didn't know where my hotel is (despite the map and street address I sent her and search engines like google readily available). She asked me to meet her at the Minimart at the top of soi Lengkee, so I threw some clothes on and met her.

She seemed really off with me. By the time she'd showered and we were lying next to each other on the bed, she revealed that she was due to see her sister tonight but now she'd be late, implying it was my fault. I was tempted to point out that I had wanted to barfine her at 1. 20 am and it was her idea to meet after she finished work, but decided to let it go. You can't win an argument with a Thai!

Although I hadn't done anything wrong I smiled and said sorry. We kissed but it was like kissing a corpse. She lay stiff, arms at her side and her lips didn't move. I leaned away and asked 'are you okay?

I have a golden rule. I will never have sex with a girl who doesn't want to and clearly this girl didn't. I told her that if she wanted to leave she could and five minutes later she was out of the door.

What a bad day. No girls despite my best efforts and a night of knockbacks and negativity. These nights happen from time to time, you've just got to brush them off. I went to bed, happy to close my eyes and forgot it ever happened.

At 3. 10 am I was woken by my phone. It was my Vixen girl video-calling me for a chat. The connection was bad and we cut off after 20 seconds but I appreciated her making the effort (or was she checking I was in bed on my own?

I put my phone back down on the bedside cabinet and drifted off to sleep before it buzzed again. It was the angry Inferno girl.

'Can I come back to see you again? I not see sister now' her message read!

For the entire time she spent in my room she had a face like I'd pissed on her grandmother and now just an hour later she was keen for round 2! Despite that I was tempted, but it was nearly 4 am and I was tired.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2765442]When I write these diaries I try to give a completely honest portrayal, good or bad. I don't sugarcoat things. So far on this trip I've had a great time but tonight was a horror show.

I saw a nice girl outside Inferno and bought her a drink. She was tall and skinny with a nice face so I decided to take her. The barfine was 500 but she told me that she'd meet me at the end of her shift in 40 minutes to save me paying it. She asked for 2000 short time but accepted 1500. We swapped Line details and I gave her the name of my hotel.

I paid for the drinks, went back to my hotel, showered and then lay expectantly on my bed waiting for her to come over. What could possibly go wrong?

My phone buzzed at 2. 05 am. 'Can we meet tomorrow?' she said.

I told her I couldn't so after a bit of back and forth on Line she agreed to come to see me. But she told me she didn't know where my hotel is (despite the map and street address I sent her and search engines like google readily available). She asked me to meet her at the Minimart at the top of soi Lengkee, so I threw some clothes on and met her.

She seemed really off with me. By the time she'd showered and we were lying next to each other on the bed, she revealed that she was due to see her sister tonight but now she'd be late, implying it was my fault. I was tempted to point out that I had wanted to barfine her at 1. 20 am and it was her idea to meet after she finished work, but decided to let it go. You can't win an argument with a Thai!

[/QUOTE]Oops, you made a tactical error, by giving the lady 40 minutes to find a better customer. She may have found one, and told him to wait for one hour for her to take a shower and get ready. Or, she may have gotten a message from a male friend. In both cases, the other person flaked on her, and she tried to salvage the connection with you by coming back.

There was no "sister" unless it was another bargirl who invited her out for the night.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2765246]To be Fairly Fair.

Mr Alphabet spouts a lot of Hard to Believe s also.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2765240]" Full of Shit " People are starting to figure it out? Know what they say? If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quakes like a duck. Full of shit is being kind! LOL 555, what is that smell?[/QUOTE]I think you mean if it walks like a Danny Duck, then it must be a Chimpoo Chin, or Alexa Alexa, or even a Tim Timms.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2765376]Also, the impatient one would disappear into the bathroom with her cellphone, a clear sign she had plans later on with a Thai boy. [/QUOTE]LOL. Funny. My buddy was with a 23 year old chick last night. When they got to his place she said it would be 5000 for LT. She said she would take 1500 for ST though. He said that he wanted to take her out to 808. She said she was supposed to meet another guy at 808 who is going to give her 5000. They got to 808 together but separated before going in. There was a guy there wearing glasses waiting for the chick. He was not Thai; he was Black American. Sure chicks go off to meet up with other dudes, but I do not get the assumption to assume their nationality.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2765442]When I write these diaries I try to give a completely honest portrayal, good or bad. I don't sugarcoat things. So far on this trip I've had a great time but tonight was a horror show.

I spent early afternoon videoing for my friend's Youtube channel. At one point I was videoing a dog being given a hosepipe shower by its owner, when it leapt at me, soaking me in the process. This moment of comedy misfortune would be the story of the day.

We headed to soi 7. It was 3. 45 pm and the beer bars were quiet but showing signs of life. But the bars further up the street were busy. A7-DJ bar had lots of pretty girls but beware, this is a live stream bar so good luck taking any of them back to your hotel with you. Hookup Bar at the junction of soi 7 was also busy as there was a birthday party going on.

I decided to seek out some afternoon action. I walked down soi Honey but didn't see any honeys and it was the same story on soi Pothole. I remember in days gone by you'd be spoilt for choice on these streets but aside from the occasional hidden gem, there is very little to get excited about these days.

So I abandoned my plan and took the opportunity to relax in my room for a few hours.

I met Sam at 7 pm outside Subway and we started the night with a drink at Vixen. The girl I've barfined twice was with a customer and so was the new girl Sam has got his sights set on.

It was Sunday evening and light rain was falling so Tree Town was quiet. We had a drink in Pretty Bar, which didn't live up to its name but beer was just 59 baht as it was happy hour. 08 bar is set back in the corner and also had cheerful older girls. In contrast to the rock music blaring out at other bars, this one had country & western which made it a good place to relax and watch the world go by.

The prettiest girl at Area 52 was in her casual clothes, sat with a middle-aged German man. He's barfined her at least three night in a row and it seems was making the rookie mistake of falling for a girl. Soon his holiday will be over, or his money will run out, and he'll be heartbroken when he realised how transactional his romance is.

Sam likes to spoil his favourite girl. He buys her ladydrinks and gives her 100 baht to get food (I had a taste and my lips were still burning five minutes later). Tonight she wasn't feeling well so Sam paid her barfine and told her to go home and rest. I can't help feeling nice gestures like that will result in her being ill more often!

Feeling hungry I went to a restaurant on the corner of Tree Town and devoured a pork fried rice, which cost 90 baht.

Just like the other bars, Oh Bar was quiet with not many girls. One of my favourite girls here is a girl who works behind the bar. While the other girls wear low-cut tops and sexy outfits, she dresses more modestly and is more desirable as a result. She was wearing a pretty floral dress and hugging a cuddly toy I presume a customer had bought her.

I decided to backtrack to Vixen and barfine my favourite girl for the third time. I bought her a ladydrink but she wasn't her usual fun and flirty self, perhaps distracted by a group of three guys buying shots for the other girls at the back of the bar. Or perhaps it was something else. Strangely she accused me of having a girlfriend which is not the case. Perhaps that's Thai-speak for barfining other girls, or perhaps Sam who I know for a fact wants to barfine her when I'm back in England, has told her something to stir the pot. Either way, I found it irritating. I'd come to Vixen to barfine her but she was giving me grief. I paid my chit and left.

There weren't many unaccompanied pretty girls at Annie Jacks and I was joined by a 40 year old who just wouldn't take the hint I didn't want to buy her a drink.

It was turning in to a frustrating night so I paid my bill and said goodnight to Sam, before going to soi Diana and buying a drink for the cute girl I barfined from one of beer-bar complexes the night before. It was nice to get a warm welcome and she gave me a kiss on the lips before I left. I love the names of some these bars. Dick Inn, Pussy Bar, Inn Love.

The time was 1 am so I decided to try soi Pothole. For a change there was a pretty selection outside High Rollers including a particularly pretty girl I invited inside with me. It's done out like a gogo inside with lots of comfy seats around small stage, on which three girls in bikinis danced. My girl was 24, pretty and spoke immaculate English but when I enquired about prices she told me 'I not go with customer', pointing at her sophisticated dress by way of explanation.

I saw a nice girl outside Inferno and bought her a drink. She was tall and skinny with a nice face so I decided to take her. The barfine was 500 but she told me that she'd meet me at the end of her shift in 40 minutes to save me paying it. She asked for 2000 short time but accepted 1500. We swapped Line details and I gave her the name of my hotel.

I paid for the drinks, went back to my hotel, showered and then lay expectantly on my bed waiting for her to come over. What could possibly go wrong?

My phone buzzed at 2. 05 am. 'Can we meet tomorrow?' she said.

I told her I couldn't so after a bit of back and forth on Line she agreed to come to see me. But she told me she didn't know where my hotel is (despite the map and street address I sent her and search engines like google readily available). She asked me to meet her at the Minimart at the top of soi Lengkee, so I threw some clothes on and met her.

She seemed really off with me. By the time she'd showered and we were lying next to each other on the bed, she revealed that she was due to see her sister tonight but now she'd be late, implying it was my fault. I was tempted to point out that I had wanted to barfine her at 1. 20 am and it was her idea to meet after she finished work, but decided to let it go. You can't win an argument with a Thai!

Although I hadn't done anything wrong I smiled and said sorry. We kissed but it was like kissing a corpse. She lay stiff, arms at her side and her lips didn't move. I leaned away and asked 'are you okay?

I have a golden rule. I will never have sex with a girl who doesn't want to and clearly this girl didn't. I told her that if she wanted to leave she could and five minutes later she was out of the door.

What a bad day. No girls despite my best efforts and a night of knockbacks and negativity. These nights happen from time to time, you've just got to brush them off. I went to bed, happy to close my eyes and forgot it ever happened.

At 3. 10 am I was woken by my phone. It was my Vixen girl video-calling me for a chat. The connection was bad and we cut off after 20 seconds but I appreciated her making the effort (or was she checking I was in bed on my own?

I put my phone back down on the bedside cabinet and drifted off to sleep before it buzzed again. It was the angry Inferno girl.

'Can I come back to see you again? I not see sister now' her message read!

For the entire time she spent in my room she had a face like I'd pissed on her grandmother and now just an hour later she was keen for round 2! Despite that I was tempted, but it was nearly 4 am and I was tired.[/QUOTE]Having been hanging out in Thailand for years and years and years I firmly believe Bargirl Politics play a big unseen factor in Regular girls.

It does matter who you see and what's un-calculable is how a certain girl will react.

When they joke that you Butterfly the sensitive ones won't like it one bit.

Politics where other girls are Feeding them untruths probably happen more than I'd like to believe.

[QUOTE=SonicBam;2765423]It is Pattaya International Fireworks Festival 2022 last night and tonight. Big crowds, roads closed, etc. Fireworks being launched off barges out in the bay, Beach Road closed, all the white tents along Beach Road are being used by street food vendors, families by the thousand on the beach to watch the shows.

Expect the same tonight. [URL]https://thepattayanews.com/2022/11/24/final-details-for-pattaya-international-fireworks-festival-2022-parking-firework-times-road-closures-etc/[/URL].[/QUOTE]And hotels mostly fully booked for this week end in Pattaya, with tousands of Thai younsters flooding Central Festival last night.

I've seen a lot of people wandering around trying to find a new place to stay because they didn't anticipate this crowd.

Good thing was that yesterday night, bars along Buakao were empty of customers but many girls were still there.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2765442]I decided to backtrack to Vixen and barfine my favourite girl for the third time. I bought her a ladydrink but she wasn't her usual fun and flirty self, perhaps distracted by a group of three guys buying shots for the other girls at the back of the bar. Or perhaps it was something else. Strangely she accused me of having a girlfriend which is not the case. Perhaps that's Thai-speak for barfining other girls, or perhaps Sam who I know for a fact wants to barfine her when I'm back in England, has told her something to stir the pot. Either way, I found it irritating. I'd come to Vixen to barfine her but she was giving me grief. I paid my chit and left.[/QUOTE]Don't let her pull her drama shit on you, it's something that happens a lot once we see a girl too often, this will wreck the rest of your holiday and will bring nothing good for you.

Personnaly I would avoid her for the next of my trip even if she's a beauty, you can always find another fun girl to take her place.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2765442]'Can I come back to see you again? I not see sister now' her message read![/QUOTE]Delete her from your contacts, she looks not fun at all.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2765218]I agree with Mr E you guys are full of shit, especially Explorer8939. Many of the bargirls are lesbians and have no need for a boyfriend. 90% have a Thai boyfriend total bullshit.[/QUOTE]Funny that my post got removed and I got an infraction for pointing this out. Anything will seem like 90% when you are actively seeking it out. That doesn't make it true.

Crap.

During the middle of my activities with bargirls, a ringer showed up at my pool villa. By that I mean a gogo dancer from Bangkok. I already had 2 ladies in my pool villa who were there to drink tequila, but 5 g is you g lady was sent by her mother, and she was a knockout. If Miss Universe is a 10, this lady is a 9.

But, we were drinking tequila, and she said she couldn't drink, so I sent her away. I guess she came for a quick fuck.

Anyway, I had 2 ladies with me, and had fun. 5 minutes after they left, another 2 ladies came, and after a couple of hours, we were rolling around my bed. I had my standard doubleheader, one lady in Cowboy, another lady fucking my face, but then I stopped, and sent one lady to the living room, since I knew the other lady wanted to be assfucked, but not in front of another lady.

I ended up with a cum in mouth BJ, the lady claiming it was the first time she swallowed. Whatever.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2765513]Don't let her pull her drama shit on you, it's something that happens a lot once we see a girl too often, this will wreck the rest of your holiday and will bring nothing good for you.

Personnaly I would avoid her for the next of my trip even if she's a beauty, you can always find another fun girl to take her place.

Delete her from your contacts, she looks not fun at all.[/QUOTE]In Angeles city I used to be accused of being a butterfly so many times. I just don't understand it; they can be barfined by other men as much as they want but you cannot barfine other girls.

I'm Rooting for Minnie.

I just know she isn't a 1,000 girl.

If you just compare her to majority of Doi 6 she should be charging 15,900.

Do I think she is prettier by 15 X. Hell Yeah. 1,000 Soi 6 girls on a given night. Not one face comes close to Minnie'S.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2765565]In Angeles city I used to be accused of being a butterfly so many times. I just don't understand it; they can be barfined by other men as much as they want but you cannot barfine other girls.[/QUOTE]That is correct sir. Being Sarcasammy here.

Who knows what goes in in their Minds.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2765128]And they know what customers to put on the show for. [/QUOTE]Who puts on a show for the customer? I guess a large number of people here haven't worked in sales. I'm not talking about the fast turnover Dollar store, but big ticket where you have a client list and your income is salary + commission. Now if a client moves to another firm, unfortunate, but [S]...[/S]that's life. However, if a client starts dealing with a co-worker? That's a cut in YOUR income, a loss of status and an intrusion in personal space. Obviously, if the client calls again, the only show is "I've missed you so much, what can I do for you?" But for the trespassing co-worker [S]...[/S] funny how calls don't get forwarded, notes go missing, messages lost, and somehow when the boys go out to lunch, that invitation is not forthcoming. I just don't think the 2 girls will be sharing a bowl of som-tom anytime soon. That's how grudges build.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2765218]I agree with Mr E you guys are full of shit, especially Explorer8939. Many of the bargirls are lesbians and have no need for a boyfriend. 90% have a Thai boyfriend total bullshit.[/QUOTE]Who cares? I only care about when she's with me. What she does before / after is "not my business". Likewise, same goes for me. Now, different story when the "not my life" intrudes on me. E. G, first incoming phone call is a yellow card. Second, a red. Anyone comes knocking on my door, it better be food delivery. And drunks, I NEVER tolerate. NEVER. If she needs to get drunk to have fun with me, that's a HARD PASS. First regular in the mid 90's, Voodoo, fun girl, but a MEAN drunk. First and last time that happened, walked her over to Sukhumvit, put her in a taxi, gave the driver 200 baht and said take her home.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2765428]But that alone doesn't made her attractive, she's got her own rules, and personnaly I felt that the session will probably be not fun so I declined her offer and moved away after paying the bill (120 for LD and 95 for my beer).[/QUOTE]For ME, attractiveness is a function of face, body, ATTITUDE. If the last is missing, an easy pass.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2765435]Posts about mongers here are not useful. If you have useful information about Pattaya, please post it.[/QUOTE]That's great advice and I agree. But I will say that most of your recent posts that I've seen lately contain NO usable intel and mainly seem to be self-promotional. Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT jealous. Glad you're having fun. It'd be news if someone was NOT able to satisfy [I]itches[/I] in Thailand. But I find Sir Lancelot's entertaining AND informative. To quote Trink, "Just saying [S]...[/S]".

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2765442]
My phone buzzed at 2. 05 am. 'Can we meet tomorrow?' she said.
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At 3. 10 am I was woken by my phone. It was my Vixen girl video-calling me for a chat. The connection was bad and we cut off after 20 seconds but I appreciated her making the effort (or was she checking I was in bed on my own?[/QUOTE]Who doesn't put their phone (and hers) on Do Not Disturb when they crash, same as the sign on the hotel door? There's always tomorrow, and I'm NEVER her safety net.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2765496]Politics where other girls are Feeding them untruths probably happen more than I'd like to believe.[/QUOTE]NEVER underestimate the wg intelligence service. Once in DXB I asked a (to me) new girl how much she wanted for LT. She replied, "Why are you asking me that? EVERYONE knows you're Mr. 500". Another time, a girl got upset when I offered her 500, saying that was MY ST rate. Found out, a previous b*itch pull, where I had forgotten Rule #1 (pay after, why do lessons have to be periodically re-learned?), paid upfront because I just wanted to see that rack. Imagine my disappointment when the rack LITERALLY disappeared. Gel pads. Soon after, she wanted to leave and I was "Good riddance". She found her own way home. But she had been running her mouth about how I'd pay 500ST. I explained what had happened, another girl vouched for me, and the girl went home with me. The CIA (Chinese) in action. For sure the same happens here.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2765565]In Angeles city I used to be accused of being a butterfly so many times. I just don't understand it; they can be barfined by other men as much as they want but you cannot barfine other girls.[/QUOTE]I've always taken it as a form of teasing, never taken seriously.

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Finally, it is OK to chop a LONG FR you're commenting on into a small section. These long quotes become clutter, IMHO.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2765588]I'm Rooting for Minnie.

I just know she isn't a 1,000 girl.

If you just compare her to majority of Doi 6 she should be charging 15,900.

Do I think she is prettier by 15 X. Hell Yeah. 1,000 Soi 6 girls on a given night. Not one face comes close to Minnie'S.[/QUOTE]You probably know her better than me, and I doubt she is not a 1000 girl, she is probably a 1000 girl for some and doesn't want to be a 1000 girl for everybody.

I don't contest the fact she 's got a pretty face, but girls with pretty faces can be found elswhere in Pattaya and for 1000 baht too.

Her body looked slim but didn't look gorgeous to me (with her dress on).

It seems like you don't have a high esteem on soi 6 girls (and here too, you know them probably better than me) but I almost always had more fun with these girls in their bar (drinking downstairs) than I had with Mini downstairs.

Overall I might be wrong, but she didn't seem to be that fresh, and especially, she was not fun, she was more like a nice hostess that want to get a quicky upstairs.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2765565]In Angeles city I used to be accused of being a butterfly so many times. I just don't understand it; they can be barfined by other men as much as they want but you cannot barfine other girls.[/QUOTE]Personnaly, I tell them from the beginning that I'm a butterfly and I don't want to have a girlfriend or any kind of long relationship to avoid these kind of talks.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2765436]True, but I have been in Pattaya during these shows before, and it has never been as crowded.

Fortunately, I have day ladies coming soon, so I don't have to worry about the crowds for now.[/QUOTE]Glad I went to Pattaya in low season as I always do, just don't see the draw in going during high season: too many people / customers, traffic, expensive hotels. All that money saved going during low season can be applied to better accomodations and procurring more ass.

Pattaya was jammed again last night, and the Bolt situation was made worse by a police crackdown on Bolt drivers who don't have taxi licenses. So, I didn't go out last night, I arranged for ladies to come to me instead.

The mass numbers of tourists in Pattaya is only going to get worse in December, so I will be spending much of the month abroad, starting December 1. For you guys planning a two week vacation in Pattaya, not to worry, the crowds won't impact you noticeably. But, many of the top tier ladies will be unavailable due to their sponsors showing up. And many bars will be jammed.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2765660]Glad I went to Pattaya in low season as I always do, just don't see the draw in going during high season: too many people / customers, traffic, expensive hotels. All that money saved going during low season can be applied to better accomodations and procurring more ass.[/QUOTE]There was too many people and traffic only these last two days because of that fucking firework festival.

It doesn't seem there is too much customers (there are plenty of available girls in soi6 and near Buakao at cheap prices), and hotel prices are probably a bit more expensive now than a month ago.

After a frustrating girl-free day yesterday, today proved to be more fruitful.

Early afternoon I decided to go to soi 6 and headed straight for Lust about halfway down the street. It always has a nice group of girls outside and my favourite, an ultra-cute 19 year old, was there. I ushered her inside for a drink.

We all make silly mistakes from time to time and I did one right here. When I met her on a previous night I told her I wanted to take her upstairs but she told me, and I quote, 'I never been with client once'. You can take statements like that from bargirls with a pinch of salt but in her case she was so fresh-faced I suspect she was very new and therefore selective. We subsequently exchanged messages on Line and she told me she'd come to my hotel for 3000 baht. I countered with 2000 and she agreed.

Fast forward to today and it was only after I'd paid 400 for the room and I was following her sexy bum up the steep stairs that I realised I'd completely forgotten to re-negotiate. Paying 2000 for a cute new girl to come to your hotel is fine, paying 2000 for any girl on soi 6 is madness!

But it turned out to be a very unique soi 6 experience and worth every baht.

She led me to a door and unlocked it with a key. Inside was your average soi 6 room but cluttered with her possessions. Her clothes hung in a wardrobe, toiletries and makeup sat on top of a small dressing table and a large teddy bear sat on the bed. 'My room' she said.

One of my most exciting experiences I've had in Asia was visiting the Dolly brothels in Surubaya, Indonesia, where you fuck girls in their own rooms. I remember a great session with a pale-skinned cutie on a bed filled with cuddly toys, walls adorned with posters of her favourite pop bands. It felt like a teenage girl's bedroom. I half expected her father to barge in and chase me out with a cricket bat!

She said 'can stay in room until 4. 30'. I checked the time on my phone and it was only 3 pm. That's 90 minutes!

Initially I thought it might be a frustrating experience as she just lay on the bed playing with her phone. But slowly she cuddled closer and soon we were kissing and the clothes she was wearing lay strewn across the floor. When I slid in to her, her face tightened and she grimaced. 'You okay?' I asked and she nodded. Her pussy was extraordinarily tight so I was gentle, grinding in to her slowly as she gripped the pillow tightly. She was clearly very inexperienced. I haven't fucked such a tight pussy for a long time, so had to pace myself so I didn't cum too early.

There was a full length mirror alongside the bed so I spooned her in front of that, before rolling her on her front and fucking her from behind. When I lay on my back and invited her to ride me, she laughed as if it was craziest suggestion she'd ever heard, so I went on top again and fucked her hard until I came to an intense climax.

She was in no rush to kick me out of her room afterwards, going through a lengthy beauty regime of rubbing creams and moisturisers on to her skin. I got the impression she was happy to stay out of the bar as long as possible.

My diet has been terrible on this trip. I've been eating too much junk food and drinking too much beer, so today I made an effort to eat tasty Thai food at a little restaurant on soi Lengkee. It made a nice change to go out at night with a full stomach.

At 6 pm I met Sam at Booby Trap. The girl I barfined earlier in the trip had a day off but there were two new girls working, one of whom had a very pretty face and nice curves. There's another girl working at this bar with a Chinese looking face, who often smiles in my direction.

Tree Town was unusually quiet early evening.

Area 52 didn't have many girls in but I bought a drink for an attractive girl called Bam Bam, who has blossomed since her Flintstones days. Sam bought a drink for his favourite girl, who he has barfined almost every night this past week. She definitely looks to take advantage of his extravagant nature. A cart went past selling clothes and she scurried off and returned a few minutes later holding a pair of jeans, fluttering her eyelashes at him. He gave her 250 baht to pay for them and then another 100 baht to go and get some food.

We went to Angel & Monster where I bought a drink for an attractive barmaid, before finding a prime spot at French Kiss to watch England's first World Cup match. We won 6-2 but during quiet moments of the game I enjoyed watching a curvy girl playing pool. She was wearing a very revealing dress and I got the impression she enjoyed flaunting her prime assets when leaning across the table.

Bob decided to stay to play her at pool and Sam went to barfine his girl from Area 52, leaving just me and Owen flying the flag.

We went to Oh Bar where a pretty girl was very flirty with me, kissing me on the cheek repeatedly. This is the girl Sam calls his favourite, despite the fact he hasn't spoken to her for weeks and often buys drinks for other girls in the bar. He's got so many 'favourites' it's hard to keep up.

Then I got two knockbacks in successive bars. At Slutz I tried to barfine a pretty girl with orange nails like claws but she said she didn't go with customers, then I tried to barfine the pretty barmaid from Angel & Monster but she told me the same. When a girl tells you she doesn't go with customers it is normally their way of saying she doesn't want to go with you, for now at least. It's not necessarily game over, it just means a charm offensive might be required.

Then she told me something interesting. Apparently Sam had tried to barfine her last night. A few days ago I bought her a drink and Sam asked me if I'd consider going with her. I told him yes and asked him the same question. 'Nah, not my type' he replied. Yet the day after he tried to barfine her from under my nose. I like Sam but he does have a sneaky side.

I ended up barfining a girl from Pitstop on soi Honey. I've taken a lot of sweet, cute girls on this trip but she was tall with tattoos, something a bit different. The barfine was 400 and she quoted 1000 short-time or 2000 long-time.

I should take these kind of girls more often. She was very skinny and had the smallest tits I've ever seen, but huge bullet like nipples. The sex lasted for ages, one minute fast and frantic, the next slow with lots of kissing. I particularly liked her on top, me thrusting up in to her pussy as quickly as I could, as she groaned loudly. It was an enjoyable, hot and sweaty session, some of the best sex of the trip.

She was my 22nd girl of the trip. I have five more full days remaining and hope to reach the 30 mark.

It's becoming more common to find girls that can't be barfined in Pattaya. I call them "coyotes", since they are there as eye candy to draw in customers, but the term has other uses in Pattaya.

There have always been drinks only ladies in Pattaya, but now it is widespread. It is possible that bar owners are encouraging this to generate more revenue from drinks, since drink money generated when a lady goes with a customer is zero.

If a lady simply doesn't want to go with a customer, she can say she is on her period. But if she says she never goes with a customer, that is another matter. If I bought a bunch of drinks for a lady and then she told me she can't be barfined, I would be pissed. The real question is why this is growing, but I think it's prompted by bar owners.

As much as I would like to speculate that it's due to more ladies having Thai boyfriends, that's not the case. Besides, if a lady has a Thai boyfriend, she can still go short time inside the bar. And it's not due to more ladies not wanting sex, since that's not a growing trend, and besides, money can usually overcome that.

A slight variation is the lady who can go Long Time, but not stay all night. There is a fantasy among mongers that ladies prefer nice hotel rooms to their crappy rented rooms, but ladies like to sleep in their own beds. Also, many don't want sex in the morning. So they head home after 2 am or so, if possible. I know some who get up at 6 am when they are with customers, to make sure their kids go to school.

For long timers, Pattaya is not so much fun during High Season, because the ladies have an excess of customers.

I invited a lady to come to my pool villa today (meaning I invited last week to come today). Just before the appointed time, she cancelled. And, an hour later, she messaged me that she was coming. And then never showed. Since I didn't expect her to come in the first place, I was out shopping, so mai pen rai.

I had a 2 pm appointment with a lady, and sent her maps, photos, Nd Messenger Location for the pool villa. After a delay, she said she was at my condo, or at least sent me a photo of my condo. I told her to forget it. She never complained, so apparently she is busy with customers.

Many other ladies I know have their phones off, either with customers, or relaxing with their significant others.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764806]
I know a lot of guys that live in Pattaya. Some 20,30, and even 40 years. I do not know how long you have lived here, but how is it that you end up with more drama than anybody I know? This kind of stuff happens to nobody else, yet happens to you constantly? How Sway how?[/QUOTE]I think the amount of booze that he and his ladies consume is an important factor.

The explanations for cancellations / absences are sometimes more entertaining than the actual action with the girls itself. What adds to the fun is that it appears some of the girls are downright stupid and lousy liers so that you often know they are bullshitting before even finishing their story. And if not, then later as something in reality is not aligned with their story.

One of my regulars for some reason does not want to admit she has a farang 'boyfriend' (read sponsor that comes here few times a year) - (un?) fortunately I learnt her TikTok details one time when she was in my place and showed something from her tiktok, and she always posts pics when with him (never pics with other customers). Earlier this year he probably came with fairly short notice, and she cancelled appointment just same day, telling her mother is sick and she had to go home for couple of weeks. Couple of days later her tiktok was being fed from Hua Hin with the sponsor on tow. About a month a go similar cancellation. Explanation would have been kind of serious if true when she told she has to go home as her grandma had died. Again, tiktok flow of content from Hua Hin for 10 days or so. And when met again after she back to Pattaya, not a word about how sick mama or how funeral of dead grandma even if she usually talks about her family stuff. She is a good fuck thus I have no incentive to cut the BS, rather continue to enjoy that as well! I never exposed her as nothing positive could come out of that, however would kind of like to ask why she not just tell true as I would not care. Looking forward to hear the explanation for next disappearance that is likely to happen during next couple of months.

Recall a bit similar incident about 4 yrs ago with a girl that I spent with few months on and off. Even visited her home in Nakhon Phanom during an Isaan road trip. Couple of days after a weekend trip to HCM she out of blue told she need to go home for few weeks to 'settle with herself and think what she want to do with her life'. That was obvious BS as it made no sense. Next evening noticed her walking into iBar with a guy, and day after received some pics in Line from her home (obviously old or taken by someone else). Talk when I'm back she said, she not want talk when home. Okay. Few days later some pics appeared to her FB from Ko Chang. I thought I would have some fun and a week or so later messaged her telling I am driving around Isaan, about an hour so from her home and would stop by to say Hello, to her and her family. She went totally quiet after which she said I can not come. After some talk back and forth she kind of understood she was cornered as I indeed was about to arrive, and she finally told she is not at home, to which I responded that yes I know you in KC. She was embarrassed, and just apologized saying she did not want to tell me as she wanted to come back after this well-paying Brit goes back home. We actually met every now and then after this incident also. And she continued to BS when she had a conflict and went with another customer. Or even when she went to visit her now-husband in Denmark, telling she will go visit her auntie in Germany. I helped with her paperwork for the auntie visit, and somehow learnt she was going to DK not Germany.

Pathological but lousy liers are they. And not the smartest of the pack! If you are stupid OR can not hold your poker face when lying, you should not lie to a non-stupid person.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2765449]Oops, you made a tactical error, by giving the lady 40 minutes to find a better customer. She may have found one, and told him to wait for one hour for her to take a shower and get ready. Or, she may have gotten a message from a male friend. In both cases, the other person flaked on her, and she tried to salvage the connection with you by coming back.

There was no "sister" unless it was another bargirl who invited her out for the night.[/QUOTE]

I met her during my first evening in Pattaya (forgot her name, maybe Nat?) in Soho bar, dark skin, 28 years old, 165 cm, 52 kg, long curly decolorized hairs, comes from SriSaket, good English, A+.

She was not really attractive, I don't remember the reason I went with her in the bar, she might have been the only one that really tried to attract me in her place.

Anyway we took a few drinks downstairs where I could finger her ass and play with her G-string. I was quick asking to fuck her ass, which she said "I can do", enough for me to take her upstairs.

I already asked her the prices before going up (1000 for her, maybe 350 or 400 for the room, + drinks (cheap)).

The room was a bit shitty if I recall correctly, we showered and I was not very impressed by her body when clothes were off, she had some over weight that I'm not fond of, which I couldn't see with her dress on.

On the bed she went straight for the BBBJ which was a bit rushed, maybe she met a lot of guys that need that to get a hard on but it's the opposite for me, I prefer it slow.

I put the cap on, put my Astroglide gel and go straight in her pussy in doggy. Not sure if it was the feeling of her pussy or the position she was in that didn't fit me but after a few minutes I lost my power.

I take off the condom, she goes again for the BBBJ but this time she is even quicker, I don't really like it and the fact I don't find her attractive doesn't help but eventually the dick gets hard enough to put a new condom on.

Again doggy but this time in her ass, after a few minutes I feel that I don't really like it either.

I think it was the first time ever I fucked a girl in the ass and didn't really like it, maybe I didn't apply enough gel, but the whole session felt weird.

I finally managed to cum after a few minutes, she told me "you must be tired from your trip", we showered and I left soi 6 immediately.

She was nice, smiley, did whatever she could to please me but obviously she was not my style.

Anyone who wants to get an A+ at a reasonable price can go and see her, she is easily recognisable, she was the only one to have that look in that bar (she mostly comes at 17 o'clock).

When I was sitting inside with her, I saw two young looking girls with light skin who were already taking care of an older Farang for one and an older Korean or Japanese for the other one. These two girls were not bad looking, but every other girls were below average.

No repeat for me with this one.

Rhetorical question.

Would you all rather have the girl tell you she rather be with someone else. Hahaha.

Not a good method to build up a Book of clients.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2764806]So it took multiple friends to get a small ass paseed out Thai chick out of the shower? You are a grown foreign man; why couldn't you do it? I know many Thai chicks, but what I do not know is how to contact their friends. But you just run around with a rolodex full of chicks' friends? And who did you call to get the boyfriend away from the door?
[/QUOTE]It happens that the passed out lady is from Kaset Sombum in Chaiyaphum, and has friends from the area in Pattaya. I just came back from Africa with 2 of them, so I called them, and they showed up with their boyfriends to get her cleaned up and out of my condo.

There is a network of ladies for each bar, many times they will stay in contact for years after leaving the bar. At the same time, I have gone with loads of ladies from a few bars, so it is not uncommon that I will know many friends of any particular bargirl I am with. So, if I have a problem with a lady, I can contact some of her friends to help out.

And, no I don't have a Rolodex, I have a smartphone.

No offence to anyone but I hope mods create a separate thread for Explorer, MrE and few other senior members.

There is lot of casual conversation happening and very little of value getting shared for other users.

I read recent 5-6 pages and there is nothing of value.

[QUOTE=JasonSilva;2765847]No offence to anyone but I hope mods create a separate thread for Explorer, MrE and few other senior members.

There is lot of casual conversation happening and very little of value getting shared for other users.

I read recent 5-6 pages and there is nothing of value.[/QUOTE]Explorer makes this thread fun again. Even if you think he is all BS he does bring up points that are pertinent and can be discussed.

Well, I don't mind. In my case it has usually been about sponsors coming or customers taking them for 1-4 weeks, so it's understandable as it is stable income.

One just took off to Krabi for 10 days today and she was open about it already more than a week before. Funnily enough she tried to come by yesterday before leaving today, but I had a deal with another one already so had to pass and wait when she back. Another one told her sponsor coming for couple of weeks next month but not confirmes dates yet.

Just like rental cars or rooms, if someone makes a booking for longer time period, you just need to find another car or room for your short term needs during that time.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2765807]Rhetorical question.

Would you all rather have the girl tell you she rather be with someone else. Hahaha.

Not a good method to build up a Book of clients.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2765887]Well, I don't mind. In my case it has usually been about sponsors coming or customers taking them for 1-4 weeks, so it's understandable as it is stable income.[/QUOTE]Same. But the stupid liles are just SICK and can also piss me off. Saying a chick got a sponsor or whatever. But sending 1 messages a DAY explaining how much she misses me and whatever bullshit is just annoying as fuck.

I am not happy tonight. I had a lady scheduled to come to my pool villa at 20.00. About 20.30, she sent me a message that she had come. I went outside, no lady. I asked her to turn on Messenger Location, which showed her a block away. I gave her directions, but she got lost. And lost again.

Finally, I called her on video, and she showed me where she was. I told her to turn left in Thai, she turned right. Finally, she pointed in the right direction, and I told her in Thai to walk forward. She eventually made it near my pool villa.

When she came in, she announced she was on her period.

[QUOTE=JasonSilva;2765847]No offence to anyone but I hope mods create a separate thread for Explorer, MrE and few other senior members.

There is lot of casual conversation happening and very little of value getting shared for other users.

I read recent 5-6 pages and there is nothing of value.[/QUOTE]What info do you need sir? The place is cut and dry. Come here. Find a chick that you like. Fuck her. Pay her money. Repeat as many times as you like. It does not get any simpler unless you are looking for someone to help stick your dick into her.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2765807]Would you all rather have the girl tell you she rather be with someone else. Hahaha.

Not a good method to build up a Book of clients.[/QUOTE]And having people waiting around for you when you have no intention on showing is a good method to build up a book of clients?

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2765881]Explorer makes this thread fun again. Even if you think he is all BS he does bring up points that are pertinent and can be discussed.[/QUOTE]Personally for me unless you can name specific bars you went to and tell us which bars are good for that week it isn't useful information for myself. Some may find vague or outdated information useful. We all look for different things on this board I guess.

We were having breakfast as usual at Sports Lounge, overlooking soi Buakhao, when a familiar face walked past. It was my favourite girl from Vixen who I gave barfined twice, walking with a middle eastern guy who had obviously long-timed her the night before. She saw me and smiled, but it was an awkward, embarrassed smile as she hurried past.

'Pass Lance the tissues' joked Sam but I didn't mind at all. It's her job.

After breakfast I got more money out at an ATM and bought some food and drink for my room. I also went to a little nick-nack stall on soi Buakhao and bought a small pair of scissors as my hair is growing quicker than bamboo.

Each day is beginning to take a similar path. By mid-afternoon I get bored and decide to find a girl. I walk up soi Pothole and soi Diana but see nothing that takes my fancy, so jump on a songthaew to soi 6.

I didn't want a long afternoon of drinking and deliberation, I just wanted a quickie.

About a quarter of the way down I saw a cute girl sat on a stool at the front of Sexy in the City. I took a stool inside but she didn't once look over, a bad sign. However I watched as a tall girl took photos on her phone of the other girls, probably for the bar's social media page. Jokingly I stood up and adopted the same sexy hand-on-hip pose the girls were doing and she took a few photos of me, before asking for my Line so she could send them to me.

I bought her a drink and enjoyed chatting, so asked about prices. The room is 400 and she asked for 1500 but accepted 1000.

The room was on the first floor and after we showered, she kissed me passionately, then nibbled her way down my body and gave me an excellent blowjob. I love it when girls tease you before they start sucking. She flicked the tip of her tongue on the end of my dick, which was extremely pleasurable, before taking me in her mouth with a series of long, deep sucks.

I put a condom on and fucked her in mish. There was a mirror at the end of the bed and it me laugh when I saw my reflection and had her cheap red lipstick smeared across my face. I looked like The Joker!

I fucked her hard doggy style in front of the mirror and then she rode me until I finished. I was dripping with sweat. It was only when we'd finished she thought to turn the air-con up.

During the sex she did something I dislike, she bit me. It wasn't a love-bite either, it was a proper bite. I'm praying I don't bruise with Ted Bundy style teethmarks on my neck!

It's a 20 minute walk back to soi Lengkee from soi 6. From 2nd Road I turned left on to soi 9, which leads to Tree Town. It was about 4 pm and the lovely Jen saw me approaching, standing in the middle of the street and holding her hands like binoculars. It was strange to see her in her casual clothes without makeup on. I turned right on to soi Buakhao and said Hello, to my favourite girls at Vixen and Booby Trap, both at the start of a long shift.

I bought a couple of tasty pork bao buns from a street vendor and soon it was time to go out.

I met Sam in the usual place but was shocked to see his top lip swollen like he'd been in a fight. He told me his girl had bit his top lip during sex and now he looked like he'd had a botox botch job.

As is often the case, we started with a few drinks along soi Buakhao. We had a drink in Booby Trap, then another in The Bay, lured in by a pretty Hello, girl with a nice figure. She spoke excellent English so was worth buying a drink for. My favourite girl was all over me in Vixen, anxious to make up for her cool demeanour a few nights earlier. I told her I'd barfine again before I fly home on Sunday.

Area 52 was surprisingly quiet and the reason became clear when we went to the newly opened (and bizarrely named) Ass 95. Three of Area 52's prettier girls were stood out front, looking particularly sexy in schoolgirl uniforms with black and white kneesocks. It must be a sister bar, owned by the same people. I hope it results in two good bars, as opposed to one bar diluted across two venues.

We went to Oh Bar and I had to laugh at the girl's reaction to Sam's swollen lip. There was no sympathy at all, they just laughed hysterically. I bought a drink for the cute girl I like, who doesn't speak much English but likes to tickle me at inopportune moments. She's ramping up her flirting, sticking her tongue in my ear and kissing me goodbye. I decided I would return to the bar and barfine her later.

We had a drink in Pretty Bar, which had a very pretty girl outside, head and shoulders above the rest, before Sam decided to barfine his girl from Area 52. She's the one who bit him on the lip so god knows what he'll look like tomorrow!

Owen and I went to Sexy Bar, a lively bar but not a place to go to pick up a girl as they're all performing in front of a webcam.

It was 12.30 am when we decided to walk down soi Pothole. We stopped for a drink at Inferno. The girl who came to my room a few nights ago but I allowed to leave because she was acting moody was there. I don't like animosity so bought her a drink as an olive branch. She was a different girl, clinging on to my side, smiling and flirting.

'I want go with you after I finish' she said and despite my better judgment I agreed for her to come to my hotel after the bar closes. What could possibly go wrong I thought to myself.

A little further along is Brussels Bar, which had a pretty girl dancing sexily in the front. I bought her a drink and and she told me she was 20 years old. She had a round face and what I'd describe as chipmunk cheeks. Owen, who was having a lot of fun with an older waitress, gave me another Thai phrase to practice on the pretty girl. I carefully repeated what he told me and both girls laughed uncontrollably. I'd told her 'I love you'!

I got back to my hotel and freshened myself up, waiting for the girl from Inferno to arrive after she finished work. My phone buzzed at 2. 05 am. It was a message from her.

'I go eat with friends first, see you at 3'!

I felt like banging my head against my bedside cabinet.

But things got worse when she finally arrived at 3. 20 am. She'd forgotten her ID card so the security guard at my hotel refused to let her in! For the second time she'd cost me a girl-free night.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2765979]Personally for me unless you can name specific bars you went to and tell us which bars are good for that week it isn't useful information for myself. Some may find vague or outdated information useful. We all look for different things on this board I guess.[/QUOTE]TOTALLY agree. A TRUE FR has the where, when, scene, drink prices - beer, lady drink (especially if above or below normal), bar fine cost, asking price, accepted price, services rendered (I don't need the [I]blow by blow[/I] details, but a general description. Big difference between oral only and FS), LT / ST. THAT IS ACTIONABLE intel. Why I think [B]SirLanceLot, NewtonYork[/B], and MANY others are informative and have cred. I do try to practice what I preach, and those [I]encounters[/I] that won't include the above don't get posted. Certainly room here for comments, discussions, etc. , it IS a free forum, but seems to me, some [I]litter[/I] more than others. Those that pay for Senior status, thanks. Those that make Senior by CONTRIBUTING actionable intel, thanks. But those who post just to build up their post numbers for Senior status; without FR's, no street cred.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2766008]'I want go with you after I finish' she said [/QUOTE]Another wg translation:

[I]I want go with you after I finish[/I] = You're tonight's safety net.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2765881]Explorer makes this thread fun again. Even if you think he is all BS he does bring up points that are pertinent and can be discussed.[/QUOTE]Really? I'm still not convinced Explorer has ever set foot in Thailand. He hadn't during Covid when he was posting every day about visiting venues that were closed. Maybe he caught up since then? He's welcome to PM me so we can meet and I can remove him from my ignore list.

[QUOTE=XXL;2766092]Really? I'm still not convinced Explorer has ever set foot in Thailand. He hadn't during Covid when he was posting every day about visiting venues that were closed. Maybe he caught up since then? He's welcome to PM me so we can meet and I can remove him from my ignore list.[/QUOTE]Spot on, spot on, I don't get it, it's a fairy tale I think also, I've known 4-5 board members invited him for drinks and just to meet, don't hold your breath on that offer bud! Stay safe travel smart!

[QUOTE=XXL;2766092]Really? I'm still not convinced Explorer has ever set foot in Thailand. He hadn't during Covid when he was posting every day about visiting venues that were closed. Maybe he caught up since then? He's welcome to PM me so we can meet and I can remove him from my ignore list.[/QUOTE]Obviously, I am in Pattaya, and have met some posters here in Thailand.

Will it rain tonight? Maybe.

Here's a hint: go into Maggie Mays, buy a drink for a lady, and instead of saying "cheers", say "salud". The lady will ask you to be the DJ for their YouTube. Don't play classic rock, play Becky G, and everyone will be happy.

I had picked up the Whatsapp of this Kenyan MILF calling herself Sofia. She came to my hotel for ST. Naked body markedly worse than when clothed, plus some blood on the condom.

Upon leaving she wanted 100 be "for taxi" (I had paid her 1500 which is already more than she's worth). I refused, whereupon she wanted only 40 be. No way. She went away in a huff.

This girl was not even in her country yet she was very close to making trouble. Then you wonder why mongers come to Thailand instead of going elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2765733]It's becoming more common to find girls that can't be barfined in Pattaya. I call them "coyotes", since they are there as eye candy to draw in customers, but the term has other uses in Pattaya.

There have always been drinks only ladies in Pattaya, but now it is widespread. It is possible that bar owners are encouraging this to generate more revenue from drinks, since drink money generated when a lady goes with a customer is zero.[/QUOTE]I've heard that in the past few months it's been very hard for bar owners to hire girls and they have been forced to increase salaries and drinks commissions, so the girls are making enough to be selective about who and how often they will go with a customer. I'll be testing it out myself in a few weeks.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2765979]Personally for me unless you can name specific bars you went to and tell us which bars are good for that week it isn't useful information for myself. Some may find vague or outdated information useful. We all look for different things on this board I guess.[/QUOTE]Have you been checking out Sir Lancelot girls? He gives names of both bars and girls.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2766156]I've heard that in the past few months it's been very hard for bar owners to hire girls and they have been forced to increase salaries and drinks commissions, so the girls are making enough to be selective about who and how often they will go with a customer. I'll be testing it out myself in a few weeks.[/QUOTE]Pre covid Barfines have always been higher in Pattaya than in Bangkok. Ex. Happy agogo.

I've never seen many girls getting barfined there, neither girls being bought Drinks by the boatload.

Nothings changed really.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2766156]I've heard that in the past few months it's been very hard for bar owners to hire girls and they have been forced to increase salaries and drinks commissions, so the girls are making enough to be selective about who and how often they will go with a customer. I'll be testing it out myself in a few weeks.[/QUOTE]And there's another wrinkle: ladies from Laos are infiltrating Pattaya. Most mongers can't tell the difference, except I haven't found one who can speak English yet.

[QUOTE=XXL;2766092]Really? I'm still not convinced Explorer has ever set foot in Thailand. He hadn't during Covid when he was posting every day about visiting venues that were closed. Maybe he caught up since then? He's welcome to PM me so we can meet and I can remove him from my ignore list.[/QUOTE]I suggest you give up XXL and focus elsewhere.

I have met him in Phuket when he visited form Pattaya, exactly as he had posted he would.

I even was introduced to one of the "twins" who was traveling with him, again like he had said she was.

We enjoyed a pleasant hour or so at the Mojita Bar along the Patong Beach Road.

[QUOTE=JasonSilva;2765847]No offence to anyone but I hope mods create a separate thread for Explorer, MrE and few other senior members.

There is lot of casual conversation happening and very little of value getting shared for other users.

I read recent 5-6 pages and there is nothing of value.[/QUOTE]And I just looked through your posts of the last four months and similarly found what you call "nothing of value."

Not a single post of a bar, a girl, pricing, or anything of use to a monger seeking a companion.

So, I would suggest you don't throw stones when you are in a glass house.

I keep hearing Pattaya girls don't need to be Barfined because of their Juicy contracts. Really?

Don't the contracts have minimums they have to meet?

I have to believe the Bars aren't giving money away.

Last time I was at Pins ups a few months ago Yes it had a lot of customers but a lot of girls when not on stage were just sitting on their hands. No gulping down of lady drinks.

Then you go to bars with very few customers you wonder why even open.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2766213]And there's another wrinkle: ladies from Laos are infiltrating Pattaya. Most mongers can't tell the difference, except I haven't found one who can speak English yet.[/QUOTE]If Thailand wants to get back to the Glory Sex days they need the Foreign Sex Workers in Large Numbers. Those girls have the.

Incentive to Work Bar. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2766167]Pre covid Barfines have always been higher in Pattaya than in Bangkok. Ex. Happy agogo.

I've never seen many girls getting barfined there, neither girls being bought Drinks by the boatload.

Nothings changed really.[/QUOTE]Trust me things DID change.

1. Salaries from Gogobars went up from 10 k /10 days to 20 k /10 days. So a model in some gogobars can now make 60 K a MONTH without barfine!

PR ladies now make about 9 K /10 days.

2. Also the salaries in bars went up. Compare to precovid a 50-100% raise seems valid for most working girls.

3. More gogobars offer "VIP" service. Another sign its more about drinks than barfine these days.

4. barfines have increased (Pinup before midnight might quote you 2500 barfine now).

So compare to precovid the incentive for a barfine is less for the girls. Simple. Why would they fuck some fat farang who could be their dad if they make 5-6 time the minimum already?

On facebook I see payslips for gogobar girls who make 90 k+ a month (salary and drinks)!

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2766166]Have you been checking out Sir Lancelot girls? He gives names of both bars and girls.[/QUOTE]Agree, THAT's [B]Sir Lancelot[/B], with a lot of ACTIONABLE INTEL. Same with [B]Paolo99[/B] and [B]Banana Boi[/B] (quick read of the most recent 10 pages). You, what [I]I[/I] read, not so much. That Rainbow 4, Rainbow 5 Nana bars are hopping really not news. 505 is a beauty, fine, bar fine, asking price, accepted price, length of service [S]...[/S] Big difference between a TRUE FR and wishful thinking, IMHO. Yes, I comment a lot, but I also post FR's with ACTIONABLE INTEL, but then again, I'm not a REMF. But it IS a free forum and anybody can post as they wish. As the Thai's often say, "Up to you".

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2766292]Agree, THAT's [B]Sir Lancelot[/B], with a lot of ACTIONABLE INTEL. Same with [B]Paolo99[/B] and [B]Banana Boi[/B] (quick read of the most recent 10 pages). You, what [I]I[/I] read, not so much. That Rainbow 4, Rainbow 5 Nana bars are hopping really not news. 505 is a beauty, fine, bar fine, asking price, accepted price, length of service [S]...[/S] Big difference between a TRUE FR and wishful thinking, IMHO. Yes, I comment a lot, but I also post FR's with ACTIONABLE INTEL, but then again, I'm not a REMF. But it IS a free forum and anybody can post as they wish. As the Thai's often say, "Up to you".[/QUOTE]Secret about the Sir Report. Very well written.

Purely conjecture on my part,. Boi Banana has little interest it has too much info. Hahaha.

Banana Is looking for Pretty Girls. Not 1,000 bahters in Treetown, Soi 6 etc.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2766269]Trust me things DID change.

1. Salaries from Gogobars went up from 10 k /10 days to 20 k /10 days. So a model in some gogobars can now make 60 K a MONTH without barfine!

PR ladies now make about 9 K /10 days.

2. Also the salaries in bars went up. Compare to precovid a 50-100% raise seems valid for most working girls.

3. More gogobars offer "VIP" service. Another sign its more about drinks than barfine these days.

4. barfines have increased (Pinup before midnight might quote you 2500 barfine now).

So compare to precovid the incentive for a barfine is less for the girls. Simple. Why would they fuck some fat farang who could be their dad if they make 5-6 time the minimum already?

On facebook I see payslips for gogobar girls who make 90 k+ a month (salary and drinks)![/QUOTE]Trust me bro.

Devil's always in the Details.

60,000 baht salary isn't given without conditions.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2766213]And there's another wrinkle: ladies from Laos are infiltrating Pattaya. Most mongers can't tell the difference, except I haven't found one who can speak English yet.[/QUOTE]There have always been plenty of women from Laos here. And they speak English. But I guess it depends on your circle. I am speaking on the freelance circuit. The bar circuit I do not know much about.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2766269]Trust me things DID change.

So compare to precovid the incentive for a barfine is less for the girls. Simple. Why would they fuck some fat farang who could be their dad if they make 5-6 time the minimum already?[/QUOTE]No matter, as always you can still ask about bar fine before sitting down to squander money on a bunch of drinks.

That's because you don't actually live there.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2766213]And there's another wrinkle: ladies from Laos are infiltrating Pattaya. Most mongers can't tell the difference, except I haven't found one who can speak English yet.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2766258]I keep hearing Pattaya girls don't need to be Barfined because of their Juicy contracts. Really?

Don't the contracts have minimums they have to meet?

I have to believe the Bars aren't giving money away.

Last time I was at Pins ups a few months ago Yes it had a lot of customers but a lot of girls when not on stage were just sitting on their hands. No gulping down of lady drinks.

Then you go to bars with very few customers you wonder why even open.[/QUOTE]I think there might be a reckoning after high season as some.

Go Go's struggle to stay in business, but it all depends on demand. If there are enough customers willing accept these huge barfines ect then the high prices will continue. $200/ night on a ST including lady drinks, the barfine, and the girl's price in a top Go Go will become common if mongers keep travelling to Thailand and are willing to shell out the cash. You would think some smart bar owners would try to compete with lower prices and better service or some savvy girls would go around the bar and take care of customers in the afternoon or something, but this is LOS, so who knows what is going to happen in 2023 and beyond.

At 2 pm me and my friends decided to head for another action-packed day on soi 6. I optimistically put three condoms in to my pocket, vowing to make up for the lack of action the night before.

We started at Love Missile, Kim Jong-un's favourite bar. It's situated a short distance from the 2nd Road end of the street and there were ten girls wearing air pilot uniforms. One girl was pretty with pale skin and bright red lipstick but looked aloof and preoccupied and my favourite had a cute face with a pink streak in her hair. I'd have happily bought either a drink but I know what would have happened, I'd have taken them upstairs and the guys would rib me for deserting them so early!

It was Owen's choice next and he chose Playgirls. There were only six girls, the prettiest of which, with dark Isaan features, was chatting with a man with grey hair. There was also a large girl with huge tits if that's your thing.

I've noticed girls on soi 6 doing a strange ritual. They stand in front of the bar and empty beer on to the street in a circular motion, before holding their hands together in a wai. It's meant to bring good luck, so I couldn't resist doing it with the last few mouthfuls of my beer. The girls found it funny but Owen was horrified I'd waste amber nectar like that.

I got served by a very distinctive looking girl at Ruby Club. She had pale skin and a lovely face. I've been taking too many small, skinny girls on this trip and my dick twitched in my pants at her curvier figure and jiggly tits. Sometimes I like a girl with a bit of meat on the bone.

She told me she was 21 but she looked late twenties.

If I was to achieve my target of two or three girls, I needed to get a girl under my belt early and this girl turned me on. The room cost 400 and she quoted 1500 but accepted 1000.

'One hour, one shot' she said.

'Shot of what?' I replied innocently.

The room was the best soi 6 room I've ever seen. It was clean and well illuminated (it's a nice change to have a window) but by far the best feature were two big mirrors, one at the foot of the bed and one at the head.

After showering separately we lay next to each other on the bed and she gave me a handjob, followed by a porn-style blowjob with lots of mmms. She surfaced for air and laughed when she saw my dick was covered by her cheap red lipstick. I always enjoy giving a girl with a bit of meat on the bone a good pounding in mish. I then fucked her doggy-style which looked amazing in the mirrors. Because they were facing eachother, there were a hundred reflections of me fucking her from behind, disappearing in to infinite.

I eased her to lie flat on the bed and slapped in to her soft arsecheeks before she rode me like she was on a bucking bronco. She was a little bit too theatrical for my liking, gasping 'oh Lance, I like, I like' but aside from that it was exactly the kind of session I come to soi 6 for.

After I showered I was drying myself off with a towel when she laughed and pointed at my dick gently swinging from side to side. She spun her finger and asked 'can you do?' So I stood there in the bathroom door doing 'the helicopter', reducing her to hysterics. A proud moment for sure.

I was in the room for 51 minutes. I know that because I timed it, which might sound a strange thing to do but I was convinced Owen would pretend he timed it and say I was upstairs for much less!

I met up with the guys in Kawaii Bar. From my time in Japan I think 'kawaii' means 'cute' and indeed there were some pretty girls, all wearing red lacy underwear. Ordinarily I'd have invited one to join me but I needed a tactical timeout for a few bars at least.

Next door at Where Angels Play Owen bought a drink for a nice looking girl with shorter hair and small tits. She quoted him a ludicrous price of 3000 but immediately came down to 2000, still too much. Owen is a relaxed, smily guy and his negotiating skills are obviously on point because he got her down to 1300. With all that effort you'd think he would have taken her upstairs but he likes to visit lots of bars first before choosing the lucky girl.

It was Sam's turn to buy a drink for a very pretty 20 year old in Liquid. She looked eerily similar to the girl he has barfined every day for a week from Area 52, but far prettier in my opinion, with the added bonus of big tits. He enquired about prices and was quoted just 1200. She must be new to the job and not realise her potential yet because she was undoubtedly prettier than most of the girls who quote 1500.

Of course what the girls quote and what they accept are two totally different amounts.

Sam followed her to a room upstairs while me, Owen and Bob went to Playpen. There were 12 girls and I bought a drink for a pretty girl with braces on her teeth. She was good fun and I was very tempted to barfine her but she asked 'another drink for me' twice which tipped the scales. We stepped back out on to the street in time to see Sam grinning like a Cheshire cat.

There was a lovely fair-haired girl outside Repent, so I held her hand and walked her inside with me. She had a slim, slender figure (emphasised by the black and white lacy nurses outfit she was wearing) but my favourite thing about her was whenever she smiled, which was a lot, her nose wrinkled cutely. How could I resist? She asked for 1500 but accepted 1000 and a few minutes later I was following her peachy bum up a steep staircase at the back of the bar.

Following the relative luxury of the room earlier in the day, this one was dark and devoid of furniture apart from a hard bed and a wardrobe. It was hot so I asked her to turn the air-con on before we both showered.

The sex was good and she was happy to try any position I wanted. After I shot my load I was the perfect gentlemen and ensured she climaxed too. I never used to be fussed by oral but now I love the view looking up when a girl sits on your face, especially when they begin quivering uncontrollably.

It was 8. 30 pm and I couldn't find the guys anywhere. I checked my Line and apparently Owen went lone wolf, Bob got put in a taxi drunk and Sam was back in Tree Town. I was disappointed but will return at least once more before I fly home on Monday.

I decided to relax in my room for a few hours, during which time two options emerged for the girl I'd spend tonight with.

Firstly the pretty girl from Oh Bar messaged me on Line, telling me she wasn't with a customer. Secondly Nui, the ultra cute girl I fucked on soi 6 a week ago messaged me, asking what I was up to. I fired off a reply and suggested she could come to my room for long-time. Line let's you see when recipients read your messages and half an hour passed and she hadn't opened my message. I decided I couldn't wait.

I got dressed and headed out in to the warm night, aiming for the pretty girl at Oh Bar.

As I was walking along soi Buakhao a ladyboy stepped in to my path. When she did the same about a week ago I politely declined but made the mistake of telling her she was beautiful to let her down gently. Problem is, she now accosts me whenever I walk past!

My plan to barfine the girl from Oh Bar fell at the last hurdle. I was just about to cut through to the beer bar complex from Tree Town when Mae Mae waved me down in front of Moonlight. The reason being, Sam was inside with his Area 52 girl. I had a drink and a few games of pool, before Sam told me he was going to Sweethearts right next to Oh Bar. Although I want to barfine the girl from Oh Bar I think it would be cruel to do it under Sam's nose so I abandoned the plan.

I checked my phone and Nui had finally replied to my message. She asked for 3000 long-time but accepted my 2000 counter-offer and we arranged for her to come to my hotel at 1. 30 am after she had eaten with friends.

I returned to my room, showered and waited. Last night I was in exactly the same position but the girl let me down, firstly by being over an hour late and secondly by forgetting her ID card. Would Nui be just as unreliable?

The answer was no. For some reason she wasn't able to find my hotel but found LK Metropole, so I got changed and retrieved her. It was just starting to rain lightly as we walked hand-in-hand back to my hotel. She looked incredibly cute, standing less than five foot tall with pigtails. She looked about 15 but was 21.

I haven't met a girl who enjoys kissing as much as Nui. As we fucked slowly in mish she practically ate my face off! She loved having her neck kissed and groaned loudly whenever I sucked her earlobes. She had small tits but huge erect nipples, begging to be sucked. She jumped on to all-fours and I fucked her tight pussy from behind, then she rode me. The sex went on for ages, we couldn't get enough of each other.

Afterwards we curled up next to each other and drifted off to sleep. I was woken some time later by her stroking my dick. We kissed for probably about half an hour but I was too tired for anything more so we cuddled up to each other again and fell asleep.

I was woken by her stroking my dick again, maybe an hour later as it was just starting to get light outside. This girl was a nymphomaniac!

We kissed passionately, her on top of me, grinding her shaven pussy against my throbbing erection, before she skilfully guided me in to her, bareback. The sex that followed was magical. It was slow, sensual and incredibly intimate, with kissing throughout.

Pattaya girls are great actresses, it's part of their job description, but here was a girl who genuinely seemed to enjoy her work, initiating sex during the night when she could have just let me sleep.

What a girl. In my opinion she's one of the superstars of soi 6, a sexy, cute, affectionate sex addict.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2766213]And there's another wrinkle: ladies from Laos are infiltrating Pattaya.[/QUOTE]After reading and responding to this this morning, went out and got into the elevator and met a new girl in the building. From Laos!

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2766412]That's because you don't actually live there.[/QUOTE]There are many posters here with many different expectations from this site. Not everyone's expectations are met, so there is naturally some disappointment expressed here.

For example, some participants here want explicit descriptions, ie they want to know what "Nong" does, how much she charges, and where she works. The problem is, by the time they get to Pattaya, Nong is long gone from her former bar, or she charges more, or she has a sponsor and doesn't go with customers anymore. Precise topical information is worthless unless you are in Pattaya right now, and even then, YMMV.

My preference is to read reports that provide environmental information, to give me an expectation of what I will experience if I go somewhere. Sometimes, lack of information is in itself information. If all the posts about Nakhon Nowhere are questions about where the ladies are, that tells me that there aren't many ladies there. Sir Lancelot's excellent posts may be topical, but they also convey information about the current environment in Pattaya, ie that there are more ladies than you can fuck right now.

I tend to post about a different facet: the scams that ladies run to extract money from customers. Most of the time, you don't know you are being scammed. These can run from extracting huge sums from idiot sponsors to chin jobs. Most guys lose money to a bargirlfriend who hands their money to their Thai boyfriend, even if the girl is staying in the same room as her victim. Here's the hint: if you are paying more than 2,000 baht for LT, it's a scam. In other words, if you are in Pattaya for 2 weeks, have a lady staying with you every night for 2 weeks, and you give her more than 28,000 baht including after you leave Pattaya, you are being scammed.

Or, if you meet a lady, and she quickly invites you to her village, it's a scam.

These ladies mostly think about money, how to drain as much of your savings as possible, to hand to some moto driver boyfriend, or, in rare cases, to send to their families.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2766258]I keep hearing Pattaya girls don't need to be Barfined because of their Juicy contracts. Really?

Don't the contracts have minimums they have to meet?

I have to believe the Bars aren't giving money away.

Last time I was at Pins ups a few months ago Yes it had a lot of customers but a lot of girls when not on stage were just sitting on their hands. No gulping down of lady drinks.

Then you go to bars with very few customers you wonder why even open.[/QUOTE]Lately I was sitting near two guys that were obviously managing an Agogo in Pattaya in a bakery.

One foreigner and an Asian guy (probably Thai).

They were talking about some problems they were facing (in English).

It seems like they have very little control over the girls, the foreigner was complaining that one girl comes and sit without doing anything to attract customers, another comes with inappropriate clothes (he was saying something like " we cannot let her come like this, we have to find her some good outfit" another had just told him she wants to get on a contract (then he said "if we put her on contract we'll have to put pressure for the drinks") and finally the last thing he said before I left was that he was asking the Asian guy to find some good quality girls, obviously their girls are not very good (and they know it) and he looked desperate to attract so good quality girls.

[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2766225]And I just looked through your posts of the last four months and similarly found what you call "nothing of value."

Not a single post of a bar, a girl, pricing, or anything of use to a monger seeking a companion.

So, I would suggest you don't throw stones when you are in a glass house.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are right. I myself haven't posted anything useful. I will be careful from now on and will try to make informative posts.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2765733]It's becoming more common to find girls that can't be barfined in Pattaya. I call them "coyotes", since they are there as eye candy to draw in customers, but the term has other uses in Pattaya.

There have always been drinks only ladies in Pattaya, but now it is widespread. It is possible that bar owners are encouraging this to generate more revenue from drinks, since drink money generated when a lady goes with a customer is zero.[/QUOTE]Why not directly pointing out which bar exactly you're talking about instead of saying some vague stuff that serves nobody.

Tell the names of these bars so that nobody goes there anymore and the market shut them down and hopefully replace them by better places.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2765733]If I bought a bunch of drinks for a lady and then she told me she can't be barfined, I would be pissed. The real question is why this is growing, but I think it's prompted by bar owners.[/QUOTE]The question is why would you do that in the first place, unless you're looking for it to happen?

You don't have the time to ask her during the first drink you bought her? Why pay her multiple drinks before asking her important questions?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2765733]A slight variation is the lady who can go Long Time, but not stay all night. There is a fantasy among mongers that ladies prefer nice hotel rooms to their crappy rented rooms, but ladies like to sleep in their own beds. Also, many don't want sex in the morning. So they head home after 2 am or so, if possible. I know some who get up at 6 am when they are with customers, to make sure their kids go to school.[/QUOTE]You talk as if you know everything but a bar girl is a human being. They can be different from one to another and have different considerations.

I've met 1 that told me she leaves at 8 o'clock in the morning when she does a long time because she doesn't want to be a disturbance to the guy that barfined her.

So what about her?

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2766126]Obviously, I am in Pattaya, and have met some posters here in Thailand.

Will it rain tonight? Maybe.

Here's a hint: go into Maggie Mays, buy a drink for a lady, and instead of saying "cheers", say "salud". The lady will ask you to be the DJ for their YouTube. Don't play classic rock, play Becky G, and everyone will be happy.[/QUOTE]I have always enjoyed reading your posts, please carry on. May be if you can share more pics of the places and pricing like Sir Lancelot, casual lurkers like me will find it more helpful.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2764306]But Pattaya is a city of unexpected surprises.

Soi Diana has underwhelmed me on this trip so far but I was passing a bar that was filled with older ladies. But sat there in the corner was a diamond in the rough, a beautiful fresh-faced girl. I bought her a drink and she told me she was 20 years old and from Cambodia. I clinked glasses with her and said 'aw khun' to the gods above, they'd delivered me a last-minute winner.

The barfine was 400 baht and she asked for 2000 short-time, immediately accepting my 1500 counter-offer. It was a fair price for such a lovely girl. She was probably half the age of most of the other girls on soi Diana.

Back in my room she had an incredibly tight pussy and I loved sucking her erect nipples. I fucked her in mish and she rode me noisily to a climax, showering me with kisses. I lay back and admired how pretty she looked, this sweet Cambodian cutie, riding me like her life depended on it. Thank you Thailand.

She collapsed on top of me afterwards as we both tried to get our breaths back. 'Me like fuck you' she said, not so innocent after all.[/QUOTE]I think I've seen that girl, the bar is Buttercups, on soi Diana, a few meters away from Buakao, on the right side.

She has a pretty face but is very skinny, I would be surprised if she is more than 35 kg.

I passed that bar riding my bike and saw two girls sitting alone on the chairs, one looked good from where I was so I came back, parked my bike in front and she waved me in.

She brought my beer and we had a quick chat of less than 2 minutes and she suddenly left me and tried to wave other people in the bar, then went to sit alone. I think she didn't like I didn't bought her a LD straight away (she didn't even ask for it), but I never do that. Some of these girls are very lovely and I don't have any problem buying them drinks, but I've met a good bunch of assholes too, so I always wait a bit to see if she really deserves that I buy her a drink.

There were 3 or 4 girls in the bar at that time, with two other customers sitting alone.

I still could get some information out of her during the talk (her name is Tawan), the bar is new and opened only ten days ago. She is a girl from Nongkai, and was working as a freelance on Thai Friendly before working there.

She had all the crap vibes from the freelancers of walking street discos, same broken English, same cheap perfume that I cannot stand, and looked a lot less attractive at close range so it was not a big loss for me but I still thought the service was terrible.

Then the girl that looked like the Cambodian that Sir Lancelot described arrived, she's got a distinctive look, she is easily recognisable.

That girl also didn't even care about the guys that were already in the bar although none of them were accompanied, and she went straight and tried to lure in guys passing in front of the bar, or had her head on her smartphone.

Eventually, she could get a Taiwanese 30 years old guy in, they went to have a drink together and the guy left not long after entering the place. She probably asked him too much because he looked like he was interrested in her.

I watched the end of the Ghana South Korea first half, put my 80 baht in the bin and left without anybody caring about that (not even a good bye or thank you).

Personnaly I will not go back there even though the Cambodian girl is attractive (all the others are not), but the service was really terrible for me.

Funny thing is that when I went back to my hotel at around midnight, I saw her going back in a nearby hotel with an older (60 something) Farang dude who was probably twice her height.

So the girl is interrested in Asian young guys, tries to milk them, doesn't give a shit about the customers that are already there, and ends up with a guy completely different to what she was chasing, 3 times her age and twice her height.

Me thinks she would at least need to lower her expectations or up her service level if she wants to get something out of her work.

Hello brothers,

Posted this question in pattaya hotels thread and got no response, so posting it here as this thread looks more active.

Planning my visit to Pattaya, wanted to know if guests are allowed in apartment in central pattaya (B**e) when booked using airbnb.

Kindly suggest.

Also open to suggestions for 2 bed 2 bath places in pattaya which are closer to walking street and guest friendly.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2766479]Lately I was sitting near two guys that were obviously managing an Agogo in Pattaya in a bakery.

One foreigner and an Asian guy (probably Thai).

They were talking about some problems they were facing (in English).

It seems like they have very little control over the girls, the foreigner was complaining that one girl comes and sit without doing anything to attract customers, another comes with inappropriate clothes (he was saying something like " we cannot let her come like this, we have to find her some good outfit" another had just told him she wants to get on a contract (then he said "if we put her on contract we'll have to put pressure for the drinks") and finally the last thing he said before I left was that he was asking the Asian guy to find some good quality girls, obviously their girls are not very good (and they know it) and he looked desperate to attract so good quality girls.[/QUOTE]Post more bro. You actually make Sense.

[QUOTE=IronMerc;2766516]Hello brothers,

Planning my visit to Pattaya, wanted to know if guests are allowed in apartment in central pattaya (B**e) when booked using airbnb.
[/QUOTE]Even some freelancers work in THE BASE. So no problem taking a chick there.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2766420]I think there might be a reckoning after high season as some.

Go Go's struggle to stay in business, but it all depends on demand. If there are enough customers willing accept these huge barfines ect then the high prices will continue. $200/ night on a ST including lady drinks, the barfine, and the girl's price in a top Go Go will become common if mongers keep travelling to Thailand and are willing to shell out the cash. You would think some smart bar owners would try to compete with lower prices and better service or some savvy girls would go around the bar and take care of customers in the afternoon or something, but this is LOS, so who knows what is going to happen in 2023 and beyond.[/QUOTE]Once this high season is finished (March 2023) I think there will be a significant slow down in global tourism and in Thailand. The TAT even said they are now expecting less tourists in 2023. The global recession hasn't really started yet, the pent up demand for when Thailand fully reopened will be gone and inflation will persist.

I'm expecting low season 2023 to be great for cheap hotels and cheap girls.

[QUOTE=IronMerc;2766516]Hello brothers,

Posted this question in pattaya hotels thread and got no response, so posting it here as this thread looks more active.

Planning my visit to Pattaya, wanted to know if guests are allowed in apartment in central pattaya (B**e) when booked using airbnb.

Kindly suggest.

Also open to suggestions for 2 bed 2 bath places in pattaya which are closer to walking street and guest friendly.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I used these apartments, no issue bringing anyone in.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2766454]There are many posters here with many different expectations from this site. Not everyone's expectations are met, so there is naturally some disappointment expressed here.

For example, some participants here want explicit descriptions, ie they want to know what "Nong" does, how much she charges, and where she works. The problem is, by the time they get to Pattaya, Nong is long gone from her former bar, or she charges more, or she has a sponsor and doesn't go with customers anymore. Precise topical information is worthless unless you are in Pattaya right now, and even then, YMMV.

.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with this but you left out one important thing. Just because Nong pressed all the right buttons for, and got rave reviews from, one monger has no bearings on whether she will do the same for me. Many times we will not be in to the same kinks and she may not even be my type looks or body wise.

Are guys really saying that they need step by step, detailed instructions to find a girl and have a good time in Pattaya? You do realise that 90% of the complainers will never actually make it to town and forever remain in mom's basement.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2766624].

Are guys really saying that they need step by step, detailed instructions to find a girl and have a good time in Pattaya? You do realise that 90% of the complainers will never actually make it to town and forever remain in mom's basement.[/QUOTE]Some do. Hahaha.

Explorer is the Pattaya MVP poster.

Bangkok thread needs an Explorer type.

[QUOTE=Mombie75;2766562]I used these apartments, no issue bringing anyone in.[/QUOTE]Inverse, broader question: are there apartments or condos in pattaya that rent to male foreigners that do not allow to take guests?

Hotels may have their policies, but apartments and condos, I doubt.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2766624]I totally agree with this but you left out one important thing. Just because Nong pressed all the right buttons for, and got rave reviews from, one monger has no bearings on whether she will do the same for me. Many times we will not be in to the same kinks and she may not even be my type looks or body wise.

Are guys really saying that they need step by step, detailed instructions to find a girl and have a good time in Pattaya? You do realise that 90% of the complainers will never actually make it to town and forever remain in mom's basement.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Just because a girl clicks with me, doesn't mean she will with you. And if she clicks with you, doesn't mean she will with me. We ALL have our own ideas of beauty. It's why I work to access ATTITUDE with the ones I find attractive. With my MP FR's, I try to include details of the scene so one might know what to expect. For bars, I find drink prices, bar fine, asking price, accepted price [I]interesting[/I], but from experience, the price she quotes me could very well be different than what she quotes others. That's just reality. And why I can't understand the requests for contacts, especially here. It's not like the adult [I]entertainment[/I] scene is hidden [S]...[/S]. Veni, vidi, vici.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2766505]I think she didn't like I didn't bought her a LD straight away (she didn't even ask for it), but I never do that. Some of these girls are very lovely and I don't have any problem buying them drinks, but I've met a good bunch of assholes too, so I always wait a bit to see if she really deserves that I buy her a drink.[/QUOTE]I'm old school, a lady drink is not a given just for her sitting there. She has to be [I]entertaining[/I], working for it. I understand the bars, and girls, have to make a profit, but being graced by her mere presence doesn't do it for me.

[QUOTE=Knobrm;2766705]Inverse, broader question: are there apartments or condos in pattaya that rent to male foreigners that do not allow to take guests?

Hotels may have their policies, but apartments and condos, I doubt.[/QUOTE]There are some apartments whether in town or out like the Darkside that have policies I've not seen a place rented generally to a foreigner tell them they can't bring in a girl. I've found in or out of town if there is a policy it normally is imposed on the Thai lady because some owners don't want their place to be used as an ST or LT. I've gotten away at times since I look like one of them they think I'm their father? The ones in a town like in the Baukhao area side Soi, I've never been by a freelancer I couldn't. In fact, it is kind of a game if they are telling me the truth they live alone go to their place I rather they have the money than a ST room place.

For Condos, it depends on the builder management team largely the bigger the harder it is to monitor. Many terms of ownership and renting are that you can't! But unless you create a lot of noise for your neighbor it normally isn't going to be reported. I wouldn't if one was living next to my unit 555, but I had a close relative that had a crackhead ladyboy that rented next door after failing to get management to step in and address the problem it was handle not so pretty for the ladyboy, and when that was done he had got his team of lawyers sued the complex and removed the entire management staff.

Many Condos the language is pretty cleared but I've found in town there are lots of them not following the purchased rules.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2766557]Once this high season is finished (March 2023) I think there will be a significant slow down in global tourism and in Thailand. The TAT even said they are now expecting less tourists in 2023. The global recession hasn't really started yet, the pent up demand for when Thailand fully reopened will be gone and inflation will persist.

I'm expecting low season 2023 to be great for cheap hotels and cheap girls.[/QUOTE]I think you are expecting wrong. Still a bunch of condos and hotels going up. This place is hopping with Indians and Russians. And once the Chinese are allowed to come back in it will really be overcrowded. History has shown us that you should always expect the opposite of what Thailand's tourism authority says.

The day before we were having an interesting conservation in a bar on soi 6 in which Owen and Sam reminisced about the good old days when long-time meant long-time and you'd struggle to get the girls to leave in the morning.

Nui was one of those girls. We slept until midday, when once again I was awoken by her stroking my dick. We had sex twice the night before and here she was trying to initiate a third pop.

After showering, she got dressed and I paid her the agreed 2000 baht plus a tip. She gave me one the best long-time experiences I've ever had, so thoroughly deserved it. What a girl.

The only negative was that when I looked at myself in the mirror after she'd left, I had three lovebites on my neck. Hard to explain to my favourite girl at Vixen who suspects (quite rightly) I'm a butterfly.

There was another torrential downpour early afternoon so I whiled away time in my room. Once it stopped I decided to head to soi 6 for a quickie. I didn't want to spend a long time deliberating, so was delighted when I saw a lovely looking girl outside Kawaii Bar. She was 19 years old and from Laos.

She led me upstairs to the smallest, most sparse soi 6 room I've ever been in. The double bed went from wall to wall. An estate agent would describe the room as 'compact'. It didn't even have a bathroom, we had to shower down the corridor and return to the room wrapped in a towel.

When she dropped her towel in the room, I was pleasantly surprised to see large natural breasts. She lay next to me and we kissed, before a bit of fondling, fiddling and fingering got me in the mood. I like it when you fuck a girl with big tits in mish and you see them wobbling like jellies. In my experience most girls don't use their breasts anywhere near enough to turn a man on, but this girl did, rubbing them up and down my chest as she rode me to a climax.

There was an amusing moment on the way back to my hotel.

There is a restaurant next to the alleyway heading to Vogue and I was walking past when an old lady tried to lift her apron over her head. But she unwittingly grabbed her T-shirt as well and gave me a flash of her tits. When she realised what she'd done she quickly scanned around to see if anyone had seen and saw me with an exaggerated look of shock on my face. She found it funny and every time I've walked past since I jokingly hold my hand up to my eyes to shield them.

It was just me and Sam out tonight. Owen decided to go solo tonight to see 'if the old Thailand exists, instead of this over-priced short-time shite'.

We started with a drink in Vixen where I was joined by my favourite girl. I only have four days left of my holiday so I told her I'd barfine her early one of those nights and we'd go to some bars, dance and finish with a nice meal somewhere. She didn't notice my lovebites.

After a quiet drink at Blue Sky Bar we went to Area 52. It started raining so I helped the girls put up the canopy.

And then a miracle happened. Two weeks ago I asked a beautiful girl at Area 52 if she'd like a drink but she told me she was with a customer. She's obviously popular because every time I've seen her since she's with a customer, usually playing connect 4. But tonight in Ass 92, a sister bar of Area 52, she was sitting on a stool at the front of the bar, free from the evil clutches of rival customers.

I bought her a drink and she was a lovely girl. Her name is Ploy and she is 20 years old from Udon Thani. A lot of these bars must have a recruitment drive in that city because it's surprising how many of the girls are from there. As well as having a very pretty face, she spoke decent conversational English and took her time over her drink.

'You connect 4 champion of Thailand!' I joked to her.

We had a quiet beer in Emma's Bar, opposite, before going to Angel & Monster where I bought a drink for my favourite girl. She previously told me she doesn't go with customers but has been messaging me a lot on Line, especially when I told her my holiday ends soon.

I can't stress enough, if a girl tells you she can't go with you it's not game over. It's simply not possible for girls to accept every barfine offer that comes their way and I reckon the pretty ones set a limit of how many customers they go with each week. They probably choose regular customers they're comfortable with, so if you get rejected by a girl you like, take it with a smile but don't be put off.

At Moonlight I watched as two middle eastern men played pool against two girls. One of the girls was very pretty but didn't work at the bar, so had probably been barfined from a gogo bar by the older, more arrogant of the two men, cigarette dangling from his bottom lip as he played his shots. The other girl, tall and pretty, is one I've noticed at this bar several times before but she's always been very serious faced. However tonight she was laughing, clapping excitedly and high-fiving when she potted a ball. The funny thing was though, she was doing all of those things to me, before returning to the side of her customer and clinking glasses with him.

Eventually the customer's phone came out and a very formal looking negotiation process began. It didn't go well because two minutes later he left the bar on his own. I took the opportunity to buy the girl a drink and we played a few games of pool. I won them both despite my best efforts to lose.

I was tempted to barfine her but something put me off. I'm not sure exactly what. She was pretty, bubbly and seemed to like me. Perhaps it was how she laughed hysterically when I accidentally potted the white? If you do barfine a girl from Moonlight, it's 400 for short-time and 800 for long-time.

It was late so I decided to go to Brussels Bar to barfine the cute girl I'd had a few drinks with a few nights earlier. She was having her hair straightened by another girl when I arrived and looked cute in a sparkly red dress.

I bought her a drink and we played pool before suddenly the music stopped. I'd completely lost track of time and it was closing time. I asked her whether she'd like to come to my hotel and she quoted me 1300 short-time and 2500 long-time. Of course they're just starting prices and I'm sure she'd come down to 1000 and 2000 but before I had chance to give a counter-offer she called the mamasan over and told her I wanted to take her. Despite the fact it was 2. 10 am, the elderly lady told me the barfine would be 500 baht!

There was no way I was paying the barfine on principal. The bar had closed and the purpose of a barfine is to compensate the bar because a girl is unable to work. The bar doesn't own the girls outside work hours. The pretty girl and I exchanged Line details and arranged for her to meet me at my hotel shortly.

But it didn't happen. 2. 30 came and went, so did 3 am. She didn't come to my hotel and my Line messages went unread. In the bar she was flirty and nodded eagerly when I suggested she come to my hotel so it was very strange. I suspect the greedy mamasan noticed us exchanging Line details and told her off after I left for arranging to meet after work hours.

It was a disappointing end to a promising night but I didn't mind too much as I was tired and craved sleep after my interrupted night's sleep the night before.

After having been to two GC clubs on soi Bongkot I had the feeling that the girls were trying to establish a lower price of 1500 baht for ST over there while almost all the girls I've seen there were way below average looking (I checked only Amsterdam and Club4), so I decided to directly go to soi 6.

Helicopter bar is located around the middle of the soi on the right side when you enter from Beach road. She was wearing their Japanese schoolgirl uniform, sitting on her chair in the middle of the soi, made a weak attempt at waving me in her bar. I continued walking a bit and thought I should give her a try, she was looking not bad.

She is 20,155 cm, 42 kg, from Pechabun, dark skin, with long black hairs, no baby, and unfortunately zero English. We went straight in the bar, and there I had a very bad surprise. Big speakers with very loud music at all corners of the bar, impossible to find a place where I could quietly talk with her. I don't like it when I cannot talk to the girl but at least she let me cuddle her, and check all her assets, very good feeling ass, small boobs, her face is still cute at close range and she is smiley but she was overly shy. No problem to put my hands all over her ass but once I get them upstairs to play with her breast, she quietly takes my hand off with a smile.

She said she's been working there only for 4 days, and the way she looked completely lost downstairs (didn't know any price, except the price for the room) was a good indicator that she was probably not lying.

Price of room was 350, LD was 120 or 160 depending on which drink she chose (I paid her 2 LD) and despite being shy about most things, she still had the nerves to ask for 2500 for her. I sent her my bad look and she said "OK 2000" instantly, I replied 1000 and she agreed instantly again. I don't blame her for trying to get the most out of her work, but I always try to stay around the 1000 baht mark.

Up to the room (room quality was ok, but quality of the towels was very poor, they let a lot of particules on the skin when we use them), she didn't take a shower (said she showered not long ago, before coming to work), so I showered alone. She waited for me naked on the bed, she was still very shy, even though I tried to loosen her up with some jokes. I can easily understand she was anxious, she never even had a boyfriend, and barely had sex before in her life, so being alone in a room with a guy probably the same age of her dad whose only desire is to fuck her must be intimidating.

As you can guess, her service level was extremely low (no kiss, no DATY, no BBBJ) but at least the idea of being fucked was accepted. Her body is attractive, small boobs and everything about her is tight, just a finger in her fresh pussy was enough to get me quickly hard. Condom on, I fucked her slowly in mish during the whole session and she felt real great, these small juicy pussies from these inexperienced girls give me such a good feeling that I'm ready to pass on the other services that they are not yet able to offer.

As the session was going on she was slowly getting into it, I could hear the sound of her breath getting louder (no moaning), and she was cuddling me more and more firmly.

I thought that when the session was finished she would open up a bit and start talking a bit, but no, she was still the same and just looked relieved that it was not too hard for her.

Another negative is she didn't shower after we finished (at least while I was there, maybe she got upstairs and showered alone after I left).

A thing that never happens happened that day, the cashier was probably new also because they forgot to charge me the room before I got upstairs (they gave me a bill only for the drinks) and at first I thought it was the way they do it in that bar, so I thought that I should go and pay it when I came down and that's when I realised that they unvolontarely forgot to charge me, so I paid it before leaving.

That's the exact moment Tip started to really talk and asked if I had a facebook and asked me when I would come back.

I went on soi 6 multiple times after that day, she was either not there or already accompanied by some young Asian guy or young Farang guy another day so she is starting to be quite popular it seems.

On both occasions she was wearing a black dress that reveals her slim and sexy body.

When I left, I felt like she was worth all the baht I have spent on her and I was very satisfied.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2766527]Post more bro. You actually make Sense.[/QUOTE]Yesterday I went in soi 6 , entered the soi from second road and saw the bar "Good fellas" at the right hand side.

This is the name of one bar they talked about, seems like they were happy about a girl they recruited that came from that place earlier.

I initially thought it's the name of an older Agogo from WS but I assumed wrong. They are probably managing a place like the bars from soi6 rather than an Agogo, and it makes more sense with the remark about the girl that comes with inappropriate clothes at work.

The foreigner looked like an Indian Englishman, the Thai had a shaved head, both mid fifties and were meeting at Bake and' brew bakery on soi Xcyte at around 15 h.

I mentioned earlier, that due to the lack of ladies in Pattaya, Laotian girls are quietly entering the Pattaya bargirl scene. The real question is why is there a lack of ladies?

There are really 2 answers to this:

There are too many bars in Pattaya. And every bar needs some ladies to work there. This has always been true of pre-Covid Pattaya, it is not a new condition.

The other, new, situation is not more bargirls are working abroad. It's not uncommon for a bargirl to go work in Korea, Malaysia or Singapore. What is striking is the number of ladies giving up High Season to leave the country.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2766649]Explorer is the Pattaya MVP poster.

Bangkok thread needs an Explorer type.[/QUOTE]So why not fill the gap yourself if you see a need.

I wanted a girl to come to my hotel, so fired out a few speculative Line messages.

The first girl to reply was the girl from Inferno who had previously let me down on two occasions. The definition of madness isn't making mistakes, it's making the same mistake over and over again. Despite that I arranged for her to come over.

It proved to be third time lucky. She arrived ten minutes later, looking pretty in a yellow dress with her fake nails painted in luminous colours. She had tattoos on her legs, arms and across her shoulders. She'd remembered her ID card this time, so up to my room we went.

The sex was standard affair. I didn't have the energy to try lots of positions, so it was just me on top, her on top, finito. After we showered she was sat on my bed, wrapped in a towel, doing a video call with a friend on her phone. I was stood next to the TV, charging my phone I think, when I glanced in her direction and she was pointing her camera at me naked, showing her friend!

I had two massages during the afternoon at Massaging Hands on soi Lengkee. The first was a foot massage so relaxing I nearly fell asleep but the neck and shoulder massage that followed was like torture, especially the bits that involved her elbows. If the masseur ever needs a new job, I'm sure she could find one in Guantanamo Bay.

Nevertheless I felt great afterwards. The total cost for both massages was 450 baht (150 plus 300) for two hours. I had a spring in my step as I went to a Thai restaurant and devoured two plates of food.

My plan in the evening was to barfine a girl early for short-time, so I could watch the England match in my room from 2 am. Did it work out? Of course not.

We started with a drink at Booby Trap. I bought a drink for the girl I barfined early in my trip as we watched the traffic carnage outside. The roads were gridlocked because of a fireworks festival going on at the beach.

I bought a drink for my favourite girl at Vixen and told her I'd like to barfine her early tomorrow, so we can go to see the fireworks and have some food. The plan is to have a double date with Sam and his girl but it's up in the air which girl that will be. We went to Area 52 and he sat in silence with his favourite girl. They've had a falling out because although he has short-timed her at least 7 or 8 times, he wants to long-time her and spend a whole day with her but she makes excuses. Clearly she has a boyfriend but Sam won't let it go. It made me laugh, Sam was complaining to the mamasan about the girl's unwillingness to do long-time when the girl, who was sat behind him, did yak-yak-yak hand gestures behind his head with a big smile across her face.

What is it with Pattaya bars and rock bands? Area 52 is surrounded by three bars, Matador, Lucky 7 and JJBar, who all have rock bands playing every night, resulting in a cacophony of noise. I don't think it's coincidence that some of these bars hardly ever have customers. I haven't been to any of them on this trip. I want girls, not live entertainment.

We went to the dreadfully named Ass 95 Bar, where the cute girl who deserted me for a Korean a while back was unusually flirty with me. At Moonlight a very giggly girl took great pleasure in applying her bright red lipstick on my lips.

My favourite girl at Oh Bar, a prospective barfine, was with a customer but kept glancing in my direction and smiling. In the noisy live-stream bar next door, a wannabe gangster fired 20 baht notes in to the air using a plastic gun device, then watched as all the girls scrambled for them on the floor. I hate stuff like this as it's very demeaning to the girls.

It was time to go lone wolf and find a girl.

I walked through Tree Town but it was quiet and I didn't see any girls to tempt me in to any of the bars on soi Buakhao. Of course there are lots of nice girls but my mistake is I aim unrealistically high at a time of night when the prettiest girls are all tucked up in bed with a customer.

Another factor is I'm stupidly obsessed with finding new girls, to sleep with as many as possible. It's an immature trait as I know I could repeat with plenty of amazing girls I've been with on this trip and have an even better time second time around.

The lovely Jen sprinted to me outside her bar and gave me a bone-crunching hug. I barfined her on my last trip when she was fresh to the scene. We chatted briefly and I asked her if she'd like to go to my hotel with me but she said she was going to Walking Street with friends after the bar closed.

She told me something interesting though. Apparently Sam told her that I have a girlfriend. Why would Sam tell a girl he knows I'm interested in that I have a girlfriend when it's not true? I think sometimes he's jealous of the girls I go with and I know for a fact he tries to barfine them when I'm back in England.

So imagine, less than 60 seconds after hearing Sam tried to sabotage my chances with a girl, I was walking past Area 52 and his favourite girl, who he wants to turn in to his girlfriend, comes running at me, hugs me and tells me 'I want to go with you'. I was tempted to make a retaliatory strike but decided against it. I enjoy spending time with Sam, even though his competitiveness is getting quite tiring.

There are at least four ladyboy bars on soi Buakhao and it annoys me how the ladyboys grab me when I try to walk past, holding on when it's clear I'm not interested. I didn't fancy the inevitable hassle and frustration of going to the gogo bars on soi LK Metro and soi Honey was barren. I did see some younger girls sat on the step in front of Runway, recommended to me by someone on this forum, but none were to my taste.

I decided to sit down for a drink and send out some Line messages. Problem is, the girls take too long to reply and time was against me.

I walked down soi Pothole and entered High Rollers gents club. I'm a bit baffled by this place. It was a sausage-fest inside with almost every seat taken by customers and hardly any girls apart from those dancing. I turned around and left immediately. It did give me the idea however to try the gents clubs on soi Boomerang nearby. A few clusters of girls sat outside various bars, so I chose the busiest looking one, Pleasure Lounge. It was dead inside and I was joined by an average girl for ten minutes of polite conservation.

Time was marching on, so I decided to backtrack to Oh Bar and barfine my favourite girl but, you've guessed it, she was with a customer. There are several other nice girls at this bar, including a small spinner with a cheeky face and a pale-skinned girl with big wobbly tits, but I didn't want to ruin my chances with my favourite.

2 am arrived and the bars closed, just as the England match was starting, so I went on the prowl around the usual freelance hotspots. A lot of the girls are quite haggard and there is a disproportionate amount of ladyboys, but occasionally a gem can be found for a cheap quickie, like the girl I fucked on my third day with the biggest natural tits I've seen in Asia.

And there, standing next to a row of motorbikes was the diamond in the rough I was looking for. She was slim and looked elegant in a figure-hugging pink dress. Facially I've never seen a Thai girl like her, in fact I thought she might be Russian as she had European features, a fashionable neck-length hairdo and penetrating blue eyes. After exchanging pleasantries I asked how much.

'700 baht' she replied.

I was expecting her to say 1500 given how pretty she was. I accepted and five minutes later we were in my room. The sex was great. She had a tight pussy, small tits and was eager to please. The blowjob she gave me was one of the best of the trip and she was passionate kisser. She was 31 years old, proving sometimes it pays to go with a girl with a bit of experience.

A frustrating night with another happy ending.

I've been in Pattaya now for 21 nights and this is the third time I've had to resort to freelancers because I lost track of time. I admit, the first girl was ropy, a desperation fuck if ever there was one, but the other two girls have been fantastic.

Pattaya continues to surprise me, which is one of the reasons I love it.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2767028]I wanted a girl to come to my hotel, so fired out a few speculative Line messages.

The sex was standard affair. I didn't have the energy to try lots of positions, so it was just me on top, her on top, finito. After we showered she was sat on my bed, wrapped in a towel, doing a video call with a friend on her phone. I was stood next to the TV, charging my phone I think, when I glanced in her direction and she was pointing her camera at me naked, showing her friend![/QUOTE]Waiting it hits youtube LOL.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2766946]I mentioned earlier, that due to the lack of ladies in Pattaya, Laotian girls are quietly entering the Pattaya bargirl scene. The real question is why is there a lack of ladies?

There are really 2 answers to this:

There are too many bars in Pattaya. And every bar needs some ladies to work there. This has always been true of pre-Covid Pattaya, it is not a new condition.

The other, new, situation is not more bargirls are working abroad. It's not uncommon for a bargirl to go work in Korea, Malaysia or Singapore. What is striking is the number of ladies giving up High Season to leave the country.[/QUOTE]Do not underestimate 10 years ago foreign comfort girl were denied work permits- so to say. They went back home. Hahaha.

Puzzling to me is with less girls why hasn't Soi 6 girls been able to raise prices. Is the quality that Horrendous. I kind of know the answer, I'm asking Rhetorically.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2766946]I mentioned earlier, that due to the lack of ladies in Pattaya, Laotian girls are quietly entering the Pattaya bargirl scene. The real question is why is there a lack of ladies?[/QUOTE]Because covid showed them fuck that bar shit. And my friends say the chicks that are working in them are happy with the 10,000 baht they get just to sell drinks without having to boom boom.

Early afternoon I decided to pop to soi 6 for a quickie.

The first bar I went to was Lisa Bar, lured in by a group of girls outside wearing knee-high black and white stripy stockings and blue plaid miniskirts. I bought a drink for a cute 19 year old with tattoos but she made zero effort to engage in conversation so I didn't pursue her.

I saw a very pretty girl at Omega Bar, near the 2nd Road end of soi 6. She had a Japanese look about her, big luscious lips and was tall. Conversation flowed via a translation App on her phone so I asked her about the prices. She typed in to her phone before holding it out for me to read.

'I'm not give work on the bed' it said.

She was clearly a new girl as she had to have the process explained to her when I bought her a ladydrink, so I suspect she's easing herself in to her new job. In a month she'll be banging anyone and everyone. I hid my disappointment so well she cheekily asked for another drink!

I walked up and down the length of the street, waving to girls I've fucked in Avarice, Lust and Ruby Club. I've fucked eight girls from soi 6 on this trip so far and I find it a bit embarrassing how many people recognise me.

Would it be third bar lucky in Love Missile? The answer was no. The girl I spotted a few days ago wasn't there and the other girls were too busy eating, looking at their phones or doing their hair in the mirror. Soi 6 is still sleepy at half three in the afternoon. The sexiest girl was curling her hair in the mirror but there was no way she'd risk ruining her handiwork by taking a customer straight away.

All of the girls lined up outside Flirt for a group photo and as I stood watching I noticed a pretty girl flash me a big smile from a stool at a bar opposite, Helicopter. She was 20 years old, had a big smile and long hair down to her bum. She had dark skin and even with heels on she was short.

She spoke little English but we managed to communicate anyway. A lot of the girls speak nit-noy English, so it's important to have a few things up your sleeve. For example get them to teach you Thai, for example counting to ten, play a game of stares, ask them about their favourite Thai food (they'll almost certainly say som tam), basically anything to entertain them. It's amazing how long you can keep a conversation going without speaking each other's language. If the girl places a game of connect 4 in front of you, you've failed in your objective!

The room cost 350 and she asked for 1000. I was excited as I followed her up the stairs to a basic room. After we showered we cuddled on the bed and she softly stroked my chest, before she pointed at my dick and sweetly asked 'you want me go down?' Yes please.

The sex was fairly unremarkable. She was a starfish when I fucked her in mish and although she kissed, it was with her mouth closed. It's my fault for targeting the young, pretty girls, if you pick older girls you can have great sex on soi 6. I spooned her, lifting her right leg in the air, then she rode me to a climax. It was a very transactional yet nonetheless enjoyable session, both of us going through the motions.

I walked back to my hotel and had some tasty Thai food at a restaurant on soi Lengkee.

Sam and had a plan tonight. We'd both take our favourite girls to watch the fireworks, then grab some food. Did it work out? Of course not!

My choice of girl to take to the fireworks was my favourite from Vixen, who I've already barfined twice. However when I arrived she had a sad look on her face and told me 'mamasan told me barfine now 2000'. It had doubled to above Walking Street prices, coincidentally on the night I wanted to take her. Perhaps she was telling the truth but I suspect she thought I'd pay anything and was just trying her luck. It didn't work.

'It was nice knowing you' I joked.

Sam's date for the night also fell through, a pretty girl he met on soi 6 a few days ago. They'd arranged to meet at Central Mall during the day, with Sam expecting an afternoon of good food, good company and perhaps a movie. But predictably her expectations were somewhat different. Her phone had broken so she asked Sam if he could pay for it to be repaired, so she could keep in contact with him. Sam reluctantly agreed, even when the repair bill came to 3500 baht! Girls must love guys like Sam, whatever they ask for, they get.

Despite Sam's generosity, she didn't get back to him about meeting him at the fireworks. Honestly, sometimes I think these girls are only interested in money.

That was sarcasm by the way.

We had a drink in Blue Sky Bar before heading to Area 52. Sam was chatting to his favourite girl and I was in a day-dream when suddenly a girl clapped in front of my face. It was the lovely Ploy, who I'd finally been able to chat with a few days ago. She's a great girl. Not only is she very pretty, she speaks good English and is lots of fun. We were dancing together in our seats when she insisted I dance on the bar's gogo podium.

Pretty, popular girls will not go with everyone who asks, they pick and choose either the customers they're most comfortable with or the most lucrative payday. Although it was promising how much she laughed and smiled in my company (far more than any other customer I've seen her with), I sensed it was too little too late. I got her Line and told her 'I'll never forget you'! I'll hopefully see her when I return next year.

We went to Sweethearts and then Annie Jacks, which had a lot of pretty girls standing outside earlier in the night, but later in the night the talent had dwindled dramatically. I bought a drink for the lovely Jen at her bar and she told me she was hungry. She punched my arm when I suggested I barfine her and take her to the 7 Eleven.

It was getting late and I walked around, looking for a pretty girl to barfine. Oh Bar was busy but my favourite girl was with a customer.

Suddenly, on a drunken spur of the moment, I decided to go to soi 6. It was a poor decision.

The traffic was gridlocked on 2nd Road due to the fireworks, so I had to walk there. It took 25 minutes and I needed a cold drink by the time I arrived. I saw a small girl with pigtails and a pierced bottom lip dancing sexily at Playgirls but when I bought her a ladydrink she told me I had to pay straight away as the bar was closing, which of course meant I couldn't take her to a room upstairs. I suggested she could come to my hotel with me after the bar closed but she told me she already had a customer already booked. It's not often bargirls are so refreshingly honest. Normally they say they have to go to eat, or visit family. 'Come back tomorrow' she said.

There was no point staying on soi 6 if the bars are closing, so I walked all the way back to Tree Town. A colossal waste of time!

By now it was 1. 20 am. My favourite girl at Oh Bar was with a different customer and the girl from Vixen wasn't at the bar, so I went to Booby Trap and barfined the sweet, smily girl from there for the second time. The barfine here is 600 before 11 pm and 400 after.

I like to fuck lots of different girls but sometimes it's just nice to go with someone you really like, who you know will deliver.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2766505]I passed that bar riding my bike and saw two girls sitting alone on the chairs, one looked good from where I was so I came back, parked my bike in front and she waved me in.

She brought my beer and we had a quick chat of less than 2 minutes and she suddenly left me and tried to wave other people in the bar, then went to sit alone. I think she didn't like I didn't bought her a LD straight away (she didn't even ask for it), but I never do that. Some of these girls are very lovely and I don't have any problem buying them drinks, but I've met a good bunch of assholes too, so I always wait a bit to see if she really deserves that I buy her a drink.

There were 3 or 4 girls in the bar at that time, with two other customers sitting alone.

I still could get some information out of her during the talk (her name is Tawan), the bar is new and opened only ten days ago. She is a girl from Nongkai, and was working as a freelance on Thai Friendly before working there.

She had all the crap vibes from the freelancers of walking street discos, same broken English, same cheap perfume that I cannot stand, and looked a lot less attractive at close range so it was not a big loss for me but I still thought the service was terrible.[/QUOTE]When I'm at home living my shithole life I frequently look at the pictures of girls on ThaiFriendly and I put the ones that I like the most in the favorites even though I still never tried to meet any Thaifriendly girls when I'm in Thailand. I'm still in Thailand now and had a look at the site out of curiousity, it opened directly on the favourites page. What a surprise I have when I see that girl that I've met a few days ago in her bar (that I couldn't stand after 1 minute by the way, same goes for her) featuring in my favourites on TF. She just added some new pics that she took in her bar, she looked exactely like the pic with the pink dress when I met her (obviously there is some serious photoshopping too), that's how I know she is the same girl, otherwise I would never have known it.

Here is her TF account to look at her pics: [URL]https://www.thaifriendly.com/photo.php?picid=18086530&u=Tawan6699[/URL].

Seems like she is too popular to contact her without a paying account, so anyone interrested in her can go have a look in her bar: Buttercups bar, Soi Diana, just a few meters from soi Buakao, on the right side.

That evening I entered the soi from second road and walked slowly but didn't click with any girl before the end of the soi. Then in one bar on the right hand side, I see that girl looking at me and laughing. I smile back while I keep walking, reach the end of the soi and think that I should go and see her at closer range.

Unfortunately when I come back she is in a deep talk with her friend and doesn't look at me, so I keep on walking and eventually arrive at the end of the soi without noticing any girl that I would want to spend time with. I decide to go eat something in Terminal21 instead of doing the whole soi once again.

1 h later I enter the soi from Beach road this time, hoping that the girl is still sitting outside. I spot her and she is still laughing at me, I come close to her and she points at her friend as if she is asking me "you want her? I say "no I want you", she gets up, take my hand and we get inside. It was already 22 o'clock, not many customers or girls inside.

The place looks good downstairs, it's a closed bar and we can hear each other properly. While she comes and go to get my beer I see she is tall, slim, wears a nice evening blue dress (given by the bar management) and I just think about putting my hands on that beautifull ass.

She is not the typical flat ass Thai girl, that ass has some good forms, combined to her slim waist and beautifull long legs, she easily stands out compared to all the shorties and oldies that one is used to see around Pattaya.

She tells me it's her first day (I think fuck, again an inexperienced girl), she used to work in 7/11 in North Pattaya before coming here. She comes from Korat (Dad from Korat (Nakhon Ratchasima), and mom from Bkk), she's got long black hairs but doesn't let them flowing down her shoulders because she is lazy to take care of them.

She loves tatoo, her right arm is full of small tatoos (not good looking) and she's got a very big unfinished one in her back (a beautifull tatoo representing a Japanese Geisha). I think she wants to be fully inked, once she'll have enough money to pay them.

Downstairs, she says she is shy, I can still touch her lightly, and realise that her ass is not just beautifull but feels good too.

We have a bit of chitchat untill we finish our drinks and I ask her if she'll still be shy upstairs, and she says "no, upstairs, I will not shy, here I'm shy because I know nobody in that bar, it's my first day, I don't want these people (the coworkers and management) see me being touched".

Price for the room is the highest I've met in soi6 (420), LD (130, a beat cheaper that other places) and my beer was 85 (cheap), she asked 1000 and I was very pleased to take her upstairs (she's got a pretty face too).

Upstairs, the room was a typical hotel room (very good compared to some shit I've been to in soi6), we shower together, she is very friendly and all smiley, she jokes too, we have a good time together. There was no bad surprise when she undressed, she's got no baby, everything looked good, I don't remember well but I think the pussy was shaved too.

The good thing is she already had a boyfriend in her life for three years, so I could expect her to be relaxed during the act, but it's still not enough for her to accept having too intimate stuff with a stranger on the first encounter (no kissing, no DATY, no BJ).

This time I was a bit tired I had to tell her to do at least something to make me have a hard on, she obliged and went for a HJ while I could grab her ass and slowly finger her pussy. Again, just the feeling of her juice and the quality of that pussy with her very soft skin down there helped me having a hard on quickly.

Sex was on par with the last girl from soi6, but she was more relaxed. When we finished, we showered together and she was still the same, very friendly, talkative and smiley.

That girl could easily be in the top 10 girls in many gogos around town or in Bkk (pretty face, tall, slim with good forms (but still small boobs), skin middly tanned), but she still needs to learn how to perfect her looks with make-up (I think she didn't have a make-up), take some time to take care of her long hairs, and if she could be a bit more confident in herself (and learn English obviously) she would get very popular.

If anyone wants to see her, I saw her some other days (didn't pick her again because so many girls in soi6 that I preferred to meet new girls), she likes to sit outside, and always wore the same blue evening dress.

This time again, I left very satisfied from soi6 that evening even though the service was limited.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2767191]Do not underestimate 10 years ago foreign comfort girl were denied work permits- so to say. They went back home. Hahaha.

Puzzling to me is with less girls why hasn't Soi 6 girls been able to raise prices. Is the quality that Horrendous. I kind of know the answer, I'm asking Rhetorically.[/QUOTE]I think we have go through the details of why raising prices isn't feasible for pattaya anymore. Just go back a few pages. The quality isn't horrendous, but it just doesn't shine enough to justify higher pricing.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2767236]Because covid showed them fuck that bar shit. And my friends say the chicks that are working in them are happy with the 10,000 baht they get just to sell drinks without having to boom boom.[/QUOTE]Another factor is that bar owners have learned that bars require lots of ladies to attract customers.

Also, many bars have opened in a compressed timeline in recent months, and they all want lots of girls.

After High Season, bars will reduce hiring, so things will go back to normal. And not so many new bars will open.

So, in a few months, it will be hard for ladies to find work at a decent salary.

And, a lot of bars will have small staffs again, as owners tighten their belts for Low Season.

Before I post the final day of my diary tomorrow, I'm posting day 15 because I realise I forgot to post it. Although it's out of order, it doesn't make a big difference and hopefully there's some useful information in there for someone.

Day 15: school tomorrow

I had a much needed foot massage after breakfast, at Massaging Hands on soi Lengkee. Something unusual happened. The girl doing it was young and pretty but she'd barely been going ten minutes when a fat old Chinese man waddled in and an older lady told me she'd take over my massage as the man had booked the pretty girl. The young girl followed him in to a curtained cubicle and seconds later walked past with two cuddly toys he'd bought her, which she sat on the counter next to a collection of other cuddly toys.

I didn't mind. I prefer older masseurs as they are generally more skilled. She had strong hands too. I must admit, when she was digging her elbows in to my shins it felt like some kind of medieval torture. I felt like waving the white flag but bravely soldiered on and felt great afterwards. It cost 150 baht for an hour.

Early afternoon I felt like a bit of action but didn't have much luck. Soi Pothole was barren and soi Honey had slim pickings. I remember years ago these streets had a winning combination of pretty younger girls and foxy older chicks, but now the talent is sparse.

I took a songthaew up to soi 6, as I wanted to see a sexy girl I've been exchanging messages with on Line.

Soi 6 was fairly quiet. I remember my Mr Miagi like mentor coaching me years ago that soi 6 was a place for afternoon action but this trip has confirmed that it only really gets busy from early evening onwards.

My target was Aom's One Stop Shop and I was happy to see my favourite girl sat outside. She seemed pleased to see me and I bought her a drink.

In this diary I've spoken several times about being in the right place at the right time but on this occasion my fortune deserted me. The only other customer in the bar was a middle aged Korean man who bought a tray full of tequila shots for six girls who screamed excitedly at such extravagance. Five minutes later he bought another six shots, as my girl watched on enviously. I asked her how much to go upstairs but she told me she didn't go with customers. I don't blame her. Why spread your legs when you can get ladydrinks bought for you by fuckwits like him every two minutes?

I abandoned my plans for an afternoon hookup and returned to my hotel for a swim. It's been hot today, so it was a welcome chance to cool down.

It proved to be an entertaining evening.

We started with a drink at Vixen but the pretty girl I've bar-fined twice was with another customer, a chunky guy with a ginger beard. I didn't mind at all (it saved me the cost of a ladydrink!) but decided to have a bit of fun with her. I took a photo of myself looking sad, crying in to my Chang beer, with her in the background being groped by another customer. I sent it to her and a few minutes later she replied with a crying emoji.

Then I did some Oscar-worthy acting. I needed the toilet and trudged disconsolately past her, my bottom lip quivering. Perhaps I was guilty of over-acting as the girls behind the bar burst out laughing. Coincidentally her customer needed the toilet straight after me and when the door closed behind him she sprung towards me and planted two big smackers on my lips.

Although it was Saturday night, Tree Town was quiet at 7 pm. We sat at Buddy Bar, which had a collection of about 15 thirty-something girls, then went to the lovely Jen's bar. She looked fabulous in a tight white dress and had neon green nails, but she too was all over a customer.

In my earlier years seeing a girl I like with another customer affected me but you have to learn to detach yourself. The girls are just doing their job, weaving their magic on as many guys as possible.

At Area 52 Sam bought a drink for his favourite girl. She's a young looking girl so I smiled at the irony that a rock band was playing 'Sweet Child of Mine' in the bar next door. There are a number of pretty girls at this bar but I have my eyes firmly set on one, who in nearly two weeks I haven't been able to get close to due to other customers.

My phone pinged. It was the beautiful 21 year old mall girl telling me she was off work on Tuesday and asking whether I'd like to go and see a movie with her. What an unexpected surprise. 'Sounds good' I replied.

Owen got chatting with a subscriber to his Youtube channel who he saw walking past, a big Alaskan man who joined us for the rest of the night. We went to Moonlight and got a good table at the front of the bar, a prime perving spot. There are some very pretty girls in this bar. My favourite has the face of a model but always looks so serious. In several visits I don't recall seeing her smile once, but then again she always seems to be at the side of a stern-faced older Korean, who usually make little effort to engage the girls.

My phone buzzed again in my pocket. It was the beautiful 21 year old mall girl telling me that she couldn't meet on Tuesday after all as she just realised she has other plans. Sigh. She'd later confessed to me, very apologetically, that she has a boyfriend. I was disappointed but flattered she even considered it in the first place.

We went back to Angel & Monster, the round bar elevated from street level near the entrance to Tree Town. What makes this bar unique is that the girls dance on a stage around chrome poles, so you can see them from the street instead of having to go inside a gogo bar. One of the dancers is very sexy with big tits and a dazzling smile.

I love girls with a sense of humour. On my first week I barfined a girl from Oh Bar but ever since when I've returned she's always sat with a customer. Tonight was no exception. We've got this jokey thing where we'll exchange evil stares whenever we see each other, so when I walked in she put her arm around her customer's shoulder, as if to give him a hug, but in actual fact it was an excuse to pull the middle finger at me!

We had fun talking Thai to a girl at Lunar Bar (Owen made me say to her 'my name is Mr Dirty') and then went to Mischief bar nearby. The barfine here is 500.

The time was 11.30 and time for me to go in to 'lone wolf mode' to find my 20th girl of the trip.

The standout girl for me was the dancer at Angels & Demons so I returned and bought her a drink. She took a sip before resuming her sexy moves on the stage. Then I realised that this bar completely relies on the dancers to pull customers in, so they're not going to want their sexiest dancer to leave the bar. True enough, when I enquired about her barfine, she told me 'boss not let me leave'. A few minutes later as I was paying my chit, she changed her tune. She knelt in front of me and told me 'barfine 1500'. As sexy as she is, it's too much.

After a quick sweep around the likely areas, I bought a drink for a cute girl at a beer bar called Inn Love on soi Diana. Most of the ladies at this bar complex are 30 plus but she was just 19 and oozed innocent appeal. She hardly spoke a word of English but made an effort and was very giggly too.

The barfine was a measly 300 baht and she quoted 2000 for short-time, but accepted 1500.

In the room she was good fun and an enthusiastic kisser. The sex was great but when she was getting ready to leave she said something which made my heart skip a beat.

'Go now, have school tomorrow'.

She went on to explain she's learning accountancy. Phew.

I think some pretty serious realization sets in the last 20 pages. I wasn't so wrong with being grumpy. Currently I need to decide whether I stay here or go back to South America, and I am vacillating on a twice daily basis. Either I leave on Monday or I extend my stay for another 45 days. Started to look up yesterday, looking forward to do some go-go bars in fact, even not caring by the fact that prices are frankly through the roof. But what is giving me major second thoughts now is reviewing the last 20 pages, and also have been checking out some long term Pattaya guru on YouTube "everything Pattaya" channel.

As tough as it might be, the bitter realization that everyone seems to agree is that girls are lazy. It is precisely what I felt when walking down Soi 6 every single time. They are lazy as fuck and completely disinterested, choosy, unwelcoming. I keep tormenting myself if that is just because of me (despite my Senior Status I am not an experienced monger at all and have my personal hang-ups) OR if there is something untoward going on. And it is clear that others far more experienced than me are reporting similar patterns: lazy girls who are sitting on a handsome salary not even needing to bar-fine any more. So this means going to a go-go (where at least there are dozens and dozens of girls to choose from, not just a hand-full of lazy ones messing with their phones) even when ready to pay the truly exorbitant 1500 to 2500 just for bar fine, then on top trying to compete against the handsome package they have trying to get her to go with you, this all puts a major bummer over the whole experience.

The explosion of tourists (which, after that crazy fireworks weekend isn't sooo crazy any more) anyway doesn't help. But the problem right now aren't even the excess of blokes (except on ThaiFriendly, which I believe is an extremely fast seller's market right now) so much as the excess of bars competing for girls paying them exorbitant salaries leaving them lazy. This is in part a temporary market distortion, because of the CoViD dead-stop reorienting a percentage of girls to do other things, and to a good amount their efforts have been redirected to virtual shit for myriads of simps sitting in their homes and tipping on OnlyFans. This has seriously damaged the whole situation. Influx of Laotian and Cambodian girls is the only hope to rectify the situation.

I would think that coming back in about a year might be better than trying to hang out here.

Another thing that I have found very difficult to deal with so far is the lack of communication. I can do Spanish and Portuguese with ease or at least good enough to express myself and negotiate. Here with the almost non-existing English it is very difficult.

I will see what strikes me until Monday. But I won't even cancel my ticket 24 hours in advance and instead risk paying $50 extra in late cancellation fine should I decide on the last minute to extend my stay. Not looking good. I can deal with the out of control prices, but not with the bullshit of girls who don't even want to be bar fined because making quota on these stupid drinks and happy with their excessive salaries are lazy.

And yes, of course it's better than Paris France or New York or Nakhon Nowhere. But I am done fighting an uphill battle when I have a life to pick up in what I think is an actual paradise for me.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767511]I think some pretty serious realization sets in the last 20 pages. I wasn't so wrong with being grumpy. Currently I need to decide whether I stay here or go back to South America, and I am vacillating on a twice daily basis. Either I leave on Monday or I extend my stay for another 45 days. Started to look up yesterday, looking forward to do some go-go bars in fact, even not caring by the fact that prices are frankly through the roof. But what is giving me major second thoughts now is reviewing the last 20 pages, and also have been checking out some long term Pattaya guru on YouTube "everything Pattaya" channel.

As tough as it might be, the bitter realization that everyone seems to agree is that girls are lazy. It is precisely what I felt when walking down Soi 6 every single time. They are lazy as fuck and completely disinterested, choosy, unwelcoming. I keep tormenting myself if that is just because of me (despite my Senior Status I am not an experienced monger at all and have my personal hang-ups) OR if there is something untoward going on. And it is clear that others far more experienced than me are reporting similar patterns: lazy girls who are sitting on a handsome salary not even needing to bar-fine any more. So this means going to a go-go (where at least there are dozens and dozens of girls to choose from, not just a hand-full of lazy ones messing with their phones) even when ready to pay the truly exorbitant 1500 to 2500 just for bar fine, then on top trying to compete against the handsome package they have trying to get her to go with you, this all puts a major bummer over the whole experience..[/QUOTE]Not to rub it in but.

In my experience Soi 6 girls have always looked disinterested, even offended if you google them PRECovid. Nothing new there.

Trust me Pattaya Agogo girls aren't any different from Soi 6 as far as attitude.

I've never seen such a bunch of not bad lookers at Happy who just weren't interested in customers. PRE COVID, I surmised they knew they weren't getting Barfined. Just watch the clock from start of shift.

There are plenty of alternatives to Soi 6 and gogos, just go to Soi Chaiyapoon, where the ladies are not so lazy.

But I do agree that High Season creates a sellers' market, so I am heading to Brazil for the duration.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767511]As tough as it might be, the bitter realization that everyone seems to agree is that girls are lazy. It is precisely what I felt when walking down Soi 6 every single time. They are lazy as fuck and completely disinterested, choosy, unwelcoming. I keep tormenting myself if that is just because of me (despite my Senior Status I am not an experienced monger at all and have my personal hang-ups) OR if there is something untoward going on. And it is clear that others far more experienced than me are reporting similar patterns: lazy girls who are sitting on a handsome salary not even needing to bar-fine any more. So this means going to a go-go (where at least there are dozens and dozens of girls to choose from, not just a hand-full of lazy ones messing with their phones) even when ready to pay the truly exorbitant 1500 to 2500 just for bar fine, then on top trying to compete against the handsome package they have trying to get her to go with you, this all puts a major bummer over the whole experience.
But the problem right now aren't even the excess of blokes (except on ThaiFriendly, which I believe is an extremely fast seller's market right now) so much as the excess of bars competing for girls paying them exorbitant salaries leaving them lazy.[/QUOTE]What are you going to do in South America that you are not going to do here? Surely you are not going to be walking down a Soi 6 type place being able to complain that chicks are not interested.

What are your priorities? Do you want to drink? Do you want to party? Do you want to fuck? My priority is chicks to fuck. And I have never had a problem with that in Pattaya as long as I have been able to walk around and talk to any random chick and there has been a Thai Friendly.

If I was the type of guy that felt he had to go to a bar or gogo and spend a ton on drinks before he could get laid then maybe I would be trying to run off somewhere else too. I have never reported that one must go to a bar in Pattaya. All that is needed is to walk past any random chick and say where are you going.

To me this place is paradise and I have no complaints. I have even been giving chicks a raise. I used to pay 1000 for all night now I have stepped it up to 1200. There has been no shortage of pussy for me. And I am not even mentioning normal free chicks with regular jobs. TF chick came over last night. I told her to open wide. She said do you see how big your dick is and how small my mouth is. Then I was admiring her body with some kisses. She said are you going to be kissing all night or are you going to fuck me. She left this morning at 10 having to go to temple after getting fucked again.

Seriously in all these years with hundreds of chicks I have had only 2 bad experiences. That is the chick that karate kicked my TV that time and a girl that came in scared to death praying that I had to throw out. I do not get the lazy chicks that you are talking about. Maybe that is because I do not do my shopping at bars and gogos. Fuck that middle man BS. Take me straight to the source.

I'm bar owner. I contract girl for one month salary for 10,000 which is say $300.

She isn't getting a dime unless she sell $600 worth of drinks. Do you all see a problem.

No way is a bar owner going to pay $300 for a girl to just be there.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767511]As tough as it might be, the bitter realization that everyone seems to agree is that girls are lazy. It is precisely what I felt when walking down Soi 6 every single time. They are lazy as fuck and completely disinterested, choosy, unwelcoming. I keep tormenting myself if that is just because of me (despite my Senior Status I am not an experienced monger at all and have my personal hang-ups) OR if there is something untoward going on. And it is clear that others far more experienced than me are reporting similar patterns: lazy girls who are sitting on a handsome salary not even needing to bar-fine any more. So this means going to a go-go (where at least there are dozens and dozens of girls to choose from, not just a hand-full of lazy ones messing with their phones) even when ready to pay the truly exorbitant 1500 to 2500 just for bar fine, then on top trying to compete against the handsome package they have trying to get her to go with you, this all puts a major bummer over the whole experience.[/QUOTE]Let's see: she makes enough in salary on the job that she doesn't have to do any [I]dirty[/I] work. Seems pretty smart to me, adequate salary while avoiding the [I]hard[/I] (pun intended) work. Sure, you're disappointed that she's not eager to service you (that's 2nd person plural), but that's her decision. Nothing lazy about it. Her job is to bring in cash for the bar, how she successfully does it is up to her. Free market.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2767538]But I do agree that High Season creates a sellers' market, so I am heading to Brazil for the duration.[/QUOTE]Don't go. People were saying high season is the moment they had been waiting for because there are more girls.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2767575]Let's see: she makes enough in salary on the job that she doesn't have to do any [I]dirty[/I] work. Seems pretty smart to me, adequate salary while avoiding the [I]hard[/I] (pun intended) work. Sure, you're disappointed that she's not eager to service you (that's 2nd person plural), but that's her decision. Nothing lazy about it. Her job is to bring in cash for the bar, how she successfully does it is up to her. Free market.[/QUOTE]Ok, point taken. But for how long is this type of behavior going to work without adversely affecting the demand side of the equation. I for one won't put up with it. I know of other mongering destinations besides LOS where the girls are still attentive and super friendly to their potential customers. Back to Pattaya, significantly fewer customers at these bars will mean less profits or no profits and the new business model will fail.

That is the hope anyway. I mean I don't know anybody who will fly 10 to 24 hours to a mongering destination to not get laid or put up with disinterested, spoiled, little prima donnas. But what do I know? Maybe the relaxed marijuana rules along with the addition of weed shops everywhere will change the paradigm. Maybe the new generation of woke male visitors don't want to boom boom. We will just have to see what happens, but most of mongering friends are already going elsewhere.

I just walked down soi 6 again as they close to see if qt this time anything is different. I see desperate dudes making a forced smile to a shit experience of getting ignored. I literally stare girls in their face smiling to see if anyone takes their last chance of the day. Nothing. I actually am laughing at this bullshit. Thailand is a shit place, and whatever this bar owner here says is a lie. These girls are lazy. And sure you can put a good spin on this, of course they are smart. Women alway everywhere try to get away with least amount of inconvenience. My point is here they are somehow spoiled to the max. This place is worthless. Sure you can squeeze out some mechanical sex. Sure you can be in your prime when you should pick up grirls for free anywhere in the world (so what are you doing here bragging while you pay for sex?) This place is shit. And what do I get better in south America? To start with: a brain to talk with. Even venezuelan girls who hate the business at least some are smart enough to connect human to human when someone meets them as a human. Others have conversation and we can talk about what we like in sex, and then do it. I can't even get off on vanilla sex, and hey, it's not mish position that sucks, its doggy style. The epitome of disconnected motions. No connection whatsoever. I had girls on TF respond so rude they are only intersted in ST fuck and go. Why would I even waste my time on something that starts out so unfriendly?

Now do me a favor and don't all come to Brazil to spoil it here. Stay in your Pattaya shithole and gp through the motions. Buy that lady drink for a girl who has no intention to please you.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2767591]Ok, point taken. But for how long is this type of behavior going to work without adversely affecting the demand side of the equation. I for one won't put up with it. I know of other mongering destinations besides LOS where the girls are still attentive and super friendly to their potential customers. Back to Pattaya, significantly fewer customers at these bars will mean less profits or no profits and the new business model will fail.

That is the hope anyway. I mean I don't know anybody who will fly 10 to 24 hours to a mongering destination to not get laid or put up with disinterested, spoiled, little prima donnas. But what do I know? Maybe the relaxed marijuana rules along with the addition of weed shops everywhere will change the paradigm. Maybe the new generation of woke male visitors don't want to boom boom. We will just have to see what happens, but most of mongering friends are already going elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Axel is getting the gist. It's not just me. When things go to shit, it happens slowly, and then suddenly. Isugget to the bar owners here to get ready to invest elsewhere. This business model is unsustainable. I am invested in a pharmacy and my operation manager insists on treating customers with kindness and warmth. Once the guys stop pretending and upholding this sharade everything will collapse rapidly. So either fix this now or get ready for a big collapse. You won't likely get lucky to own the Mulain Ruge selling drinks with the name of "blow jog" to middle aged tourist couples.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767616]I just walked down soi 6 again as they close to see if qt this time anything is different. I see desperate dudes making a forced smile to a shit experience of getting ignored. I literally stare girls in their face smiling to see if anyone takes their last chance of the day. Nothing. [/QUOTE]Man your mileage is varying like a mf. Whenever I walk down Soi 6 there is no shortage of chicks coming out to grab me and talking shit. Even today at 2 pm I rode through and chicks were coming out grabbing at me talking about boom boom when I was on my motorbike. I don't know what to tell you.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2767591]Ok, point taken. But for how long is this type of behavior going to work without adversely affecting the demand side of the equation.[/QUOTE]I have not seen a shortage of guys in these places who are not content buying plenty of drinks for themselves and the ladies. Just look at SL's posts.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767616]I just walked down soi 6 again as they close to see if qt this time anything is different. I see desperate dudes making a forced smile to a shit experience of getting ignored. I literally stare girls in their face smiling to see if anyone takes their last chance of the day. Nothing. I actually am laughing at this bullshit. Thailand is a shit place.[/QUOTE]Your experiences on soi 6 are completely different to mine. Over the past three weeks I've fucked ten girls on soi 6 and they were great. All young and pretty and two (maybe three) of them were superstars (a winning combination of good looks, great attitude and amazing sex). In fact one of them provided some of the most memorable sex I've ever had so I long-timed her on two separate occasions. I agree things are different on soi 6 these days. In the past you'd go in and be swarmed upon by eager girls, nowadays a lot of the girls stay at the front of the bar looking disinterested, sit in the back eating, or are prepping their hair in the mirror. You need to summon a girl to join you, especially in the numerous Nightwish bars.

I'm guessing if you were ignored, you simply weren't proactive enough. Once you get talking to the girls, they're friendly and eager to please. Of course there are exceptions. One pretty girl I bought a drink for didn't make any effort with conversation and another told me she didn't go with customers, but I chatted with a LOT of girls on soi 6 and these were my only negative experiences. Half of the girls spoke very little English but I still had lots of fun communicating with them. I wouldn't have taken any of them upstairs if we didn't click on some level in the bar. Of the ten girls, only two were starfish and most of them provided really memorable sessions. In my opinion soi 6 is a fantastic place.

I've walked down Sii6 a number of times.

Girls are not accosting guys as they pass by, maybe a handful do- probably NEW fresh off the Farm.

Just watch you tube. I've rarely seen accosters on Soi6.

Again Soi 6 is full of 1,000 baht girls. Just not an attractive bunch. If they were just a bit attractive they wouldn't be Happy with 1,000 baht.

See the issue.

Please it's not a new Soi 6 business model. It's the same one as Pre COVID.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767616]I just walked down soi 6 again as they close to see if qt this time anything is different. I see desperate dudes making a forced smile to a shit experience of getting ignored. I literally stare girls in their face smiling to see if anyone takes their last chance of the day. Nothing. I actually am laughing at this bullshit. Thailand is a shit place, and whatever this bar owner here says is a lie. These girls are lazy. And sure you can put a good spin on this, of course they are smart. Women alway everywhere try to get away with least amount of inconvenience. My point is here they are somehow spoiled to the max. This place is worthless. Sure you can squeeze out some mechanical sex. Sure you can be in your prime when you should pick up grirls for free anywhere in the world (so what are you doing here bragging while you pay for sex?) This place is shit. And what do I get better in south America? To start with: a brain to talk with. Even venezuelan girls who hate the business at least some are smart enough to connect human to human when someone meets them as a human. Others have conversation and we can talk about what we like in sex, and then do it. I can't even get off on vanilla sex, and hey, it's not mish position that sucks, its doggy style. The epitome of disconnected motions. No connection whatsoever. I had girls on TF respond so rude they are only intersted in ST fuck and go. Why would I even waste my time on something that starts out so unfriendly?

Now do me a favor and don't all come to Brazil to spoil it here. Stay in your Pattaya shithole and gp through the motions. Buy that lady drink for a girl who has no intention to please you.[/QUOTE]I've never heard such utter nonsense. There are amazing girls everywhere. It really sounds like your attitude (at least from your post). How can you not have fun here. I have a 76 year old friend in town and the women are all over him. He smiles buys the odd lady drink and then takes plenty upstairs.

There must be something seriously wrong with your attitude (ref this post! Don't come to Brazil and spoil it. LOL!!

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767511]I think some pretty serious realization sets in the last 20 pages. I wasn't so wrong with being grumpy. Currently I need to decide whether I stay here or go back to South America, and I am vacillating on a twice daily basis. Either I leave on Monday or I extend my stay for another 45 days. Started to look up yesterday, looking forward to do some go-go bars in fact, even not caring by the fact that prices are frankly through the roof. But what is giving me major second thoughts now is reviewing the last 20 pages, and also have been checking out some long term Pattaya guru on YouTube "everything Pattaya" channel.

As tough as it might be, the bitter realization that everyone seems to agree is that girls are lazy. It is precisely what I felt when walking down Soi 6 every single time. They are lazy as fuck and completely disinterested, choosy, unwelcoming. I keep tormenting myself if that is just because of me (despite my Senior Status I am not an experienced monger at all and have my personal hang-ups) OR if there is something untoward going on. And it is clear that others far more experienced than me are reporting similar patterns: lazy girls who are sitting on a handsome salary not even needing to bar-fine any more. So this means going to a go-go (where at least there are dozens and dozens of girls to choose from, not just a hand-full of lazy ones messing with their phones) even when ready to pay the truly exorbitant 1500 to 2500 just for bar fine, then on top trying to compete against the handsome package they have trying to get her to go with you, this all puts a major bummer over the whole experience.

The explosion of tourists (which, after that crazy fireworks weekend isn't sooo crazy any more) anyway doesn't help. But the problem right now aren't even the excess of blokes (except on ThaiFriendly, which I believe is an extremely fast seller's market right now) so much as the excess of bars competing for girls paying them exorbitant salaries leaving them lazy. This is in part a temporary market distortion, because of the CoViD dead-stop reorienting a percentage of girls to do other things, and to a good amount their efforts have been redirected to virtual shit for myriads of simps sitting in their homes and tipping on OnlyFans. This has seriously damaged the whole situation. Influx of Laotian and Cambodian girls is the only hope to rectify the situation.

I would think that coming back in about a year might be better than trying to hang out here.

Another thing that I have found very difficult to deal with so far is the lack of communication. I can do Spanish and Portuguese with ease or at least good enough to express myself and negotiate. Here with the almost non-existing English it is very difficult.

I will see what strikes me until Monday. But I won't even cancel my ticket 24 hours in advance and instead risk paying $50 extra in late cancellation fine should I decide on the last minute to extend my stay. Not looking good. I can deal with the out of control prices, but not with the bullshit of girls who don't even want to be bar fined because making quota on these stupid drinks and happy with their excessive salaries are lazy.

And yes, of course it's better than Paris France or New York or Nakhon Nowhere. But I am done fighting an uphill battle when I have a life to pick up in what I think is an actual paradise for me.[/QUOTE]It doesn't look like Pattaya is right for you. Distressing over the higher st fee and $50 flight change fee is not what you need. Best to leave.

This is the last day of my diary. I hope you've enjoyed reading and it has provided you with useful up-to-date information on prices and venues, as well as what to expect in terms of the girls, attitudes and experiences. I've tried to be as honest as possible, to give would-be visitors a snapshot of what to expect. If you've enjoyed reading, this diary will be featured on my friend's Youtube channel, Eyes of Owen, in early December.

Day 23: a fitting finale.

Today was the last day of my trip. I was sad as I polished my final breakfast off at the Sports Lounge.

My flight from Bangkok is at 11.20 am which means a very early alarm call tomorrow morning. As a result I decided against my normal night out on Tree Town as I know I'd probably get carried away and roll in at my hotel after 2 am. So Sam and I decided to go to soi 6 one last time instead.

We arrived at 2. 15 pm, which I think is too early. A lot of the bars aren't open and even in those that are, a lot of the girls haven't started work yet. Those that are too busy eating or doing their hair.

Lust had a healthy selection of girls outside and Sam immediately offered a drink to a skinny little girl who spoke hardly any English. Another girl offered to translate, who had lived in Brighton for five years with her stepdad and spoke excellent English. Surprisingly the young girl quoted 1000 baht, as normally the young uns try for 1500.

The girls at Lisa Bar wore pink semi see-through gowns, which left a bit to the imagination. The prettiest girl was the one I bought a drink for yesterday who was difficult to get any kind of conversation out of. A LEO or Chang here is 100 baht.

The small sexy dancer was at Playgirls but her hair wasn't in pigtails and she hadn't consumed enough sang som cokes to be dancing as provocatively at this time of day. As a result I wasn't as enthusiastic about her as last night. Also I wasn't wearing the same beer goggles I had on!

If you find yourself on soi 6, try to get a seat as near to the front of the bar as possible, even if it means asking for the girls to move. It gives you a better view of the street, great for people-watching, and the girls all huddle at the front so you get an up-close view. It also means you can see the girls in the bars nearby. A foxy cougar with big tits kept smiling at me. I've taken a lot of slim, petite girls on this trip, so vowed I wouldn't be averse to trying something different today.

A few girls tempted me to put my hand in my pocket at Playpen, including a tall dark-skinned girl. Again we had front row seats and enjoyed the spectacle of the girls trying to wrestle passing farang inside. The toilet in this bar has the most pointless sticker on the wall I've ever seen.

By this point I hadn't been close to taking a girl upstairs, or even buying a ladydrink, but I finally struck gold in Horny Bar. I saw an ultra-cute girl wearing braces on her teeth and rabbit ears on her head, standing on the step outside. Without hesitation I invited her to join me for a drink. She was just 18 years old and reminded me of one of those Japanese anime characters. Big eyes, big boobs, pale skin, the killer combination of sexy and cute. She spoke good English and was a bubbly little thing with a bright inquisitive nature, starting loads of conversations. The room was 400 and she quoted 1500 but accepted 1000.

I love the walk upstairs. You always pass a rack full of shoes at the bottom of a steep staircase. The room was big but sparse, loud music from the bar below rattling the window. We showered and then lay on the bed. I thought it might be a forgettable experience at first as she just hugged up to me, fully clothed, stroking my chest, but she loosened up and began wanking me as I fondled her perfect tits.

'Original' she declared proudly.

I fucked her in mish, her tits wobbling like jellies, then flipped one of her legs over, so I was entering her pussy sideways. The girls seem to love this position more than any other if the mmms are anything to go by. I spooned her and then rolled her on to her stomach and fucked her from behind, slapping in to her soft arse-cheeks.

The highlight though was her on top. Some girls like to bounce in Asian cowgirl, both feet planted on the bed, some girls like to lean forward and wiggle, but the best girls sit upright, fix you with a sexy stare and grind slowly. I squeezed her glorious tits as she worked her magic and thanked my lucky stars that in Thailand I can be fucked in such confident, sexy fashion by a 18 year old cutie for such a low cost.

I walked back to my hotel, stopping to get souvenirs for my family back home and eating at my favourite restaurant on soi Lengkee, Dre, a small family run Thai place. When I got back to my hotel I booked a taxi to the airport for tomorrow morning for 1300.

With an early start next morning, I wanted to arrange for one of my favourite girls to come to my hotel for short-time in the evening.

She was the girl I met on soi 6 midway through the trip, who I subsequently long-timed on her day off and she proved to be a nymphomaniac. We sent messages back and forth and I asked her what time she could get to my hotel. 3 pm she replied. When I pointed out that was five hours ago she said 9 pm. It's easy to see how Thai girls can be late sometimes!

In an almost unprecedented event, she arrived on time, looking cute in a chequered top, frayed denim shorts and somewhat incongruously, a knitted hat. We shared the elevator up to the 3rd floor with a tall European man who said 'have fun' when we stepped out.

As soon as we entered my room this girl was all over me, showering me with kisses and trying to stick her tongue as far down my throat as she could. The sex was amazing. It was the forth time we've fucked and we nearly worked our way through the entire kama sutra, kissing almost constantly. I've never met such a passionate girl. As we were getting our breaths back afterwards she gave me a lovebite. I thought she was cutely nuzzling away so was shocked to see a big purple bruise. She was proud of her handiwork.

What a fantastic way to end my time in Thailand. A fabulous girl on soi 6 in the afternoon followed by an incredible short-time session with my favourite at night.

I packed, set my alarm for an early start and went to bed.

But I couldn't sleep. It was too early and my mind was racing. I've had a brilliant trip and enjoyed it immensely. I went with 30 girls in 23 days and the standard was excellent. There has been an influx of new talent since my trip eight months earlier and the place definitely has more of a buzz with new bars and venues opening.

Soi 6 is as amazing as ever, I love the bars in Tree Town and along soi Buakhao and I even struck lucky with some sexy freelancers. There were negatives too. I'm ordinarily a huge fan of gogo bars but they are all over the place at the moment. Their prices are high and the barfines infuriatingly inconsistent. The soapies were disappointing and soi Honey is a shadow of its former self. But Pattaya is evolving and the emergence of soi Pothole, the proliferation of gents clubs and promising rejuvenation of soi 7 point towards a brighter future.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2766440]
After I showered I was drying myself off with a towel when she laughed and pointed at my dick gently swinging from side to side. She spun her finger and asked 'can you do?' So I stood there in the bathroom door doing 'the helicopter', reducing her to hysterics. A proud moment for sure..[/QUOTE]Haha, I'm going to learn how to play guitar and write a new smash hit in honour of Lancelot's Helicopter Ride. "Everybody's doing the helicopter. Come on baby, do the helicopter".

Many, I'm going to try that when I get to TH in a few weeks. Thanks for the idea mate.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2767742]This is the last day of my diary. I hope you've enjoyed reading and it has provided you with useful up-to-date information on prices and venues, as well as what to expect in terms of the girls, attitudes and experiences. I've tried to be as honest as possible, to give would-be visitors a snapshot of what to expect. If you've enjoyed reading, this diary, plus a lot of night-time footage, will be featured on my friend's Youtube channel, Eyes of Owen, in early December.[/QUOTE]Sir Lancelot, my kudos to your extraordinary travelogue. It's a genuine magnum opus! But WTF, do you have a personal stenographer stashed away in your hotel room or something? We're talking epic novel here. How can you pound out so many lengthy field reports when you're pounding an average of 1. 5 a day plus all the conversation, chasing, and drinks in between. If there's a new drug we don't know about, pray tell mate!

Lots of conflicting perspectives about Pattaya here between your version and Stinky Squid's. I don't recall seeing any reference to your age. Are you by chance young, handsome, and smiling, which could greatly contribute to your pull with these girls? Or is it more the glow of being away from home on a prolonged lecherous adventure?

Sounds like Stinky Squid got off to a bad start and couldn't put the necessary smile back on his face. So he'll probably do better in a more cerebral atmosphere of Brazil (not to say that you're not cerebral, LOL). But I'm genuinely torn about whether to make a pass through Pattaya during my upcoming TH trip or by-pass altogether. I'd hate to get inspired by all your success only to fall flat on my face. But guess that's the risk we all take. Hearty thanks for the good reads anyway and good flight back.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767616]Now do me a favor and don't all come to Brazil to spoil it here. Stay in your Pattaya shithole and gp through the motions. Buy that lady drink for a girl who has no intention to please you.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you're not even in Pattaya.

What's the name of the bar opposite to Lollipop in soi6?

And what's the name of the adjacent bar on the left when you're back is facing Lollipop?

Got to say, Sir Lancelot is giving some inspiring reports. Maybe I should stay after all to figure this out. I felt homesick to my Brazil and really looking forward to coming back. But then, I did have a nice session at Excite Club today. The black haired cutie was sitting out just as I came from late lunch and we made eye contact and I felt welcome not ignored and I jumped on the opportunity. And she seemed to sense how I like it and was giving and not withholding and I enjoyed. And now Ifeel I should crack this Soi 6 thing still before I leave. Just need to push through. I'm still not decided, but since I am free to do whatever I want and to avoid the hot high season in Rio and Sampa, I figure why not come home in January with a more pleasant memories? Thanks Sir Lancelot for inspiring reports.

I was briefly at King's Club after my Excite session, just to see how that is. Ladies were older and fewer. I like Excite better. There are at least 2 staff members I like.

BTW, I paid 1000 for the girl, 240 for the room and 200 for my and her drink.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2767644]Your experiences on soi 6 are completely different to mine. Over the past three weeks I've fucked ten girls on soi 6 and they were great. All young and pretty and two (maybe three) of them were superstars (a winning combination of good looks, great attitude and amazing sex). <snip>

I agree things are different on soi 6 these days. In the past you'd go in and be swarmed upon by eager girls, nowadays a lot of the girls stay at the front of the bar looking disinterested, sit in the back eating, or are prepping their hair in the mirror. You need to summon a girl to join you, especially in the numerous Nightwish bars.

I'm guessing if you were ignored, you simply weren't proactive enough. Once you get talking to the girls, they're friendly and eager to please. Of course there are exceptions. One pretty girl I bought a drink for didn't make any effort with conversation and another told me she didn't go with customers, but I chatted with a LOT of girls on soi 6 and these were my only negative experiences. Half of the girls spoke very little English but I still had lots of fun communicating with them. I wouldn't have taken any of them upstairs if we didn't click on some level in the bar. Of the ten girls, only two were starfish and most of them provided really memorable sessions. In my opinion soi 6 is a fantastic place.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;2767632]I have not seen a shortage of guys in these places who are not content buying plenty of drinks for themselves and the ladies. Just look at SL's posts.[/QUOTE]Mr E, I respect your opinion and I have read SL's trip report. His recent posts are fact based & very interesting. But he does point out that some things have changed on Soi 6. Most critical to how I view the current state of affairs in LOS from halfway around the world is that several of my friends, all notable contributors to this forum, have visited Thailand in 2022 and what they are telling me. The consensus opinion among them is things have changed for the worse and that they currently prefer Phnom Penh and Jakarta over BKK & Pat.

I have no doubt that when I return to LOS at some future and as yet undetermined date, I will have a good time, but that is because I know my way around, I am versatile and can adapt to new circumstances on the ground. I will not put up with a lot horse shit from the girls or their respective establishments. As you point out there are still a lot of different ways to find "good" girls in Pat besides Go Go's and Soi 6. The issue for me is that I like Go Go's. 555. Pin Up, for example, pre covid was a fucking great bar. I understand that currently it is still very popular and crowded every night despite their drink policy and expensive barfines. As long as they have a bountiful supply of pretty girls I can understand why. But in lessor quality joints there may be a problem. We shall see. Disneyland is still pulling in the customers even though they charge outrageous prices and there are long lines to every ride. Ha Ha. Go figure.

[QUOTE=TimTimms;2767660]Just watch you tube. I've rarely seen accosters on Soi6.

Again Soi 6 is full of 1,000 baht girls. Just not an attractive bunch. If they were just a bit attractive they wouldn't be Happy with 1,000 baht.[/QUOTE]Yeah make assumptions from Youtube videos instead of listening to the guys that are experiencing it on the ground.

Who knows what the stinky guy talks about, his post are complete nonsense.

Same goes for the guys that explores nothing. Lack of girls he says. Where is the lack of girls? They are all over the place in Pattaya (maybe even more than before precovid).

Then he says too many girls are drink only, but when you ask him to tell the name of bars or to be precise, no answer.

You like to pay more than 1000 baht to the girl is good for you (and for her obviously), but it doesn't make your girl better nor better looking that the other ones.

Plus a lot of guys seem happy with the girls that charge them 1000 baht, if you don't like it just leave these girls for these guys, no need to trash talk them all the time.

There's a market for everyone in this place.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767624]Axel is getting the gist. It's not just me.[/QUOTE]Axel is not even on the ground, just like you.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767616]Thailand is a shit place,[/QUOTE]I think we got your point of view.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767616]These girls are lazy. And sure you can put a good spin on this, of course they are smart.[/QUOTE]Lazy? Some of them are.

But smart? Not really.

I could think of lovely, cute, good looking, sexy, service oriented, interested, disinterested, opportunistic, stupid, crazy, funny, dirty, but smart? No sorry.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767616]My point is here they are somehow spoiled to the max. This place is worthless. Sure you can squeeze out some mechanical sex. [/QUOTE]What are you expecting from them? Porn moves?

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767616]This place is shit.[/QUOTE]Time for you to leave if you've ever been there.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767616]I can't even get off on vanilla sex, and hey, it's not mish position that sucks, its doggy style.[/QUOTE]You finally got it. You are the root of your disappointments, not they.

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If anyone is a fan of perky nipples, I will give you a hint soon. Just remind me.

I now make it a routine that for late lunch and dinner I have no beer, and I confine the beer drinking to the GoGo bars. The reason: the draught beer for 65 or 75 bucks is an OK price, no need for bottled beer and about the same amount, and then the show is free. So I now have the program to check out every gogo bar around just to have a beer and see what happens. Doctor's orders.

And so I found a shy girl with perky nipples, for whom I will have to go back. But then on shift change up came a big rack mamma dancing provocative for me and so I had to reward her with a drink. We had a good chemistry and she quoted 4000 LT. Yes it is not cheap, but I don't give a fuck about money right now. Besides, the hotel for 150 Brazilian Real is hard to beat as high season hits Brazil too right now. Brazil can wait. And I save on the bar fine by picking her up at 1:45 am or so. Or I go back for the last half hour before they close. That way, if she "betrayed" me and walked out with another customer, I will try to catch the shy girl with perky nipples. After all, eye contact we already made, just I didn't feel like really double scheduling yet.

2 am isn't sooo late for an LT, and so we can save on the crazy excessive 2000 baht bar fine by just waiting until the end. I think this is the way to deal with gogo bars. Drink beer there and get the show for free, reserve beer bars for coke or water, and find multiple options and if anything sticks, come back for harvest at closing time. :D

Problem solved.

Here is another report to stop the trash talk on Pattaya from guys that are not even on the ground.

Each time I went in soi6 was around 19 o'clock and sometimes around 21.

That time it was around 19 on a Thursday evening, not the busiest night (Saturday nights seemed the busiest from what I've seen).

When I past that shop, that girl had a bit of my attention because she had a distinctive look compared to most other girls on the soi. It looked to me that she had some Chinese features, plus I could tell she had put some work in her hairstyle to look different (black hairs not as long as other girls, hairs arriving just upper her shoulders).

I didn't saw anything in the end of the soi so I came back and went straight to her.

She looked completely bored, didn't even looked at me and was probably in her own thoughts at that time.

Side note to the stinky guy, that alone doesn't mean the girl is lazy, maybe she has seen hundreds of stinky guys walking up and down the soi everyday, maybe she tried to wave them in but these guys didn't even paid attention to her and maybe she saw that these guys didn't even put a foot in any of the shops before leaving the soi.

When she saw me coming to her, her eyes illuminated and she smiled instantly, got up and took my hand.

I sat on the chair at the entrance of the bar. I asked her the price of the drink and she showed three with her fingers. She was trying to say she's been working there for three days only, so didn't know any prices.

The mamasan was not far, she took my order (beer at 85) and asked me if I pay a drink for the girl. I said yes, but only for sangsom. She said "sangsom with soda, right". I said "no, sangsom on the rock for her". She gave me a bad look like" hey man, how can you do that to that little girl? Obviously she and I didn't know what her little girl is made of.

That girl looked constantly happy and smiling, her face is different that the typical Eesan girls faces (white skin and very little make up), her body is excellent (except she is a bit short), her skin's color is very light, she wears braces, no baby, sweet and small pussy, very beautiful small boobs. She is the first girl I saw wearing these patches on her nipples. She said it's because some customers like to squizze them and it hurts her. See Stinky? You had a lot of griefs against these girls but it looks like they have also a lot to say about shitty customers.

She just started working there (3 days), and worked in 7/11 in Chonburi for 2 years before coming to Pattaya with her friend (they live together and work in the same bar and both of them are coming from Mookdahan (Eesan)).

I chose my seat very well because that bar has a mirror on the wall at the entrance on the right hand side, and I was sitting opposite to that mirror. Dream was standing in front of me and we were cuddling, talking and joking. My hands were all over her while we were constantly kissing each other, and from time to time I would get her skirt up and look at the shape of her beautiful ass wearing her black G-string in the mirror (that ass looked and felt perfect). She is not shy, there was a guy sitting on the opposite side, he could see everything, she didn't care, it's always a good point when the girl isn't shy in front of other customers or passer by.

That girl loves to dance and loves to get "mao" (drunk). The sangsom on the rock is nothing for her, I was having a good time with her so offered her a 2nd drink but that time I learned my lesson and ordered sangsom soda, at least she would make it last longer.

When it was time to go upstairs, she said something in my ear "chan ao mai keng na", which exact translation is "I'm not good at boomboom", in other words she is inexperienced. I thought it's cute from her to say that, she didn't want me to get disappointed in the room. See stinky? These girls have their own consideration too, and it's not only that they don't want to perform, but sometimes they don't know how to perform as anybody learning something new.

I told her "don't worry I'll do everything "baobao"(meaning softly) and "tchaatchaa" (meaning slowly)". She made me swear it and we went up to the room.

350 for the room, 160 for each LD and 1000 for her. The room was very good (the best I've sampled in soi6) and very clean. The whole bar gave me a very good impression, cleanliness of the place, room looked renovated, girl's uniform, and prices on par with other bars on soi6.

Upstairs everything was on the menu (no A+ and no rimming), DFK, DATY, and even a short BBBJ. She was just a bit tensed during the DATY, but the whole session went very smoothly.

So many trash talk about these girls, but personally I know that these moments are the ones that I will miss the most when I'll leave that paradise called Pattaya, and will be back to my life of slavery labour.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2767786]Axel is not even on the ground.[/QUOTE]Paolo,

I freely admit that. Read my last post. I am just honestly reporting what some of my pals who have visited the area tell me plus what I have read in many recent reports about various Go Go's that I used to frequent all the time. I have never said you can't have a good time in Pat and at some point in the future I will endure the 24-hour flight and return not just to LOS but to Phnom Penh, Jakarta, and the PI as well. I just represent a number of punters who were locked out of Thailand and SEA in 2020 and who found a new playground populated with smokin' hot girls who are super passionate in bed and just 7 hours and 45 minutes from my hometown. The more choices we have the better.

Brethren, Visited pattaya last time. As it was first, didn't know what to expect. Took girls from soi6 multiple times for long time at 2 k (old), 2. 5 k (young).

Bar fines couldn't figure out yet. Had to pay min 500 to 750 BHT.

Planning to visit again, would like to know if I these are the usual rates or I can negotiate better or if the timing matters for bar fine.

Will try both GOGO and SOIs this time.

TIA.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2767770]Sounds like you're not even in Pattaya.

What's the name of the bar opposite to Lollipop in soi6?

And what's the name of the adjacent bar on the left when you're back is facing Lollipop?[/QUOTE]I can see him now from moms basement looking at utube videos to answer questions, funny!

So I came back for my nice rack MILF who had danced so provocative for me, as I had promised her. But she "betrayed" me as I knew could happen. And perky nipples I couldn't discern when they came out. Probably better next time to come back at 1 am and go in, or come at midnight and do the selection then and stay with them.

Or, perhaps I interview all the ones I might like, and peomise them all I will take them, and so if more than one remains available, stick to my word.

I wonder if they charge barfine if you take her out a half hour before closing? Well, I'll find out next time. Tomorrow I have to go back and frown at my date and interview perky nipples. Or I skip this joint and go to the next, then come back in a few days.

And I don't need to prove anything to Paolo and yes they are lazy but there are exceptions. When I'm done with the gogo routine I'll venture to find those. May I ask approximate age of Paolo? Because that is the key here, breaking through the age discrimination. Tomorrow I'll extend my stay for another 45 days. Glad I'm not in a life of slavery labor.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767862]Tomorrow I'll extend my stay for another 45 days. Glad I'm not in a life of slavery labor.[/QUOTE]How you get 45 days? Extention for visa exempt is 30 days. Not 45. Thats only when you ENTER the country.

Besides that the name of the Gogobar would be helpfull (even better if tagnumbers of the ladies you talk about).

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2767836]Paolo,

I freely admit that. Read my last post. I am just honestly reporting what some of my pals who have visited the area tell me plus what I have read in many recent reports about various Go Go's that I used to frequent all the time. I have never said you can't have a good time in Pat and at some point in the future I will endure the 24-hour flight and return not just to LOS but to Phnom Penh, Jakarta, and the PI as well. I just represent a number of punters who were locked out of Thailand and SEA in 2020 and who found a new playground populated with smokin' hot girls who are super passionate in bed and just 7 hours and 45 minutes from my hometown. The more choices we have the better.[/QUOTE]Hi Axel,

I didn't have anything to say about your posts and I fully respect your thoughts and considerations.

We all come from different places, I personnally have a flight of "only" 12 hours to reach Thailand and I fully understand that a 24 h flight is a whole different story.

I just cited your name to point out to Stinky Squid that there's no point in citing someone that's not even on the ground to justify what he was saying.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767862]I wonder if they charge barfine if you take her out a half hour before closing? [/QUOTE]Yes, even the last minute before the bar closes.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767862]May I ask approximate age of Paolo? Because that is the key here, breaking through the age discrimination.[/QUOTE]Mid Forties.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2767748]I don't recall seeing any reference to your age. Are you by chance young, handsome, and smiling, which could greatly contribute to your pull with these girls?[/QUOTE]No, not at all. I'm mid-forties and in decent shape (plus the girls love my whiter-than-white skin and blue eyes) but the main thing going in my favour is I smile a lot and have fun with the girls, so they usually like me. On this trip I pole-danced with one girl, let another put lipstick on me and took 'happy hour' placards from other girls to help them lure in customers. These girls must get bored of the same 'what you name, where you from, where you stay?' conversations 30 times a day, so I try to stand out and make them laugh. My modus operandi is to make it as little like a job interview as possible and make the girl smile and relaxed. When you buy a girl a drink, you've got a 10-15 minute window to make her like you enough to want to spread her legs, it's that simple. Everyone on this forum has different tactics and there is no right way, but it works for me.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2767836]Paolo,

found a new playground populated with smokin' hot girls who are super passionate in bed and just 7 hours and 45 minutes from my hometown.[/QUOTE]Where? I want to go!

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2767889]Where? I want to go![/QUOTE]Guatalajara or Brazil?

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767862]So I came back for my nice rack MILF who had danced so provocative for me, as I had promised her. But she "betrayed" me as I knew could happen. And perky nipples I couldn't discern when they came out. Probably better next time to come back at 1 am and go in, or come at midnight and do the selection then and stay with them.

Or, perhaps I interview all the ones I might like, and peomise them all I will take them, and so if more than one remains available, stick to my word.

I wonder if they charge barfine if you take her out a half hour before closing? Well, I'll find out next time. Tomorrow I have to go back and frown at my date and interview perky nipples. Or I skip this joint and go to the next, then come back in a few days.

And I don't need to prove anything to Paolo and yes they are lazy but there are exceptions. When I'm done with the gogo routine I'll venture to find those. May I ask approximate age of Paolo? Because that is the key here, breaking through the age discrimination. Tomorrow I'll extend my stay for another 45 days. Glad I'm not in a life of slavery labor.[/QUOTE]Too complex bro. If you like Agogo girl just take her. Once you build repoire than you can start playing games like avoiding Barfine or getting her at 75% discount on her down time, have her clean your room etc.

There is nothing wrong with having fun with 1,000 baht girls.

The issue is they are 1,000 baht girls.

Many have asked me why are they so cheap. They go look for themselves and get back to me and we laugh loudly.

About the girl who worked Soi 6 3 days did you ask how many customers she had that her Tittie's hurt so bad?

Are you bad boys squeezing them like an orange trying to extract every ounce of juice. Hahaha.

When I play with Thai Girls tittie I do so respectfully and kindly. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2767889]Where? I want to go![/QUOTE]I believe Axel is referring to Brazil.

I am out of Pattaya for a short while, as I am taking a Thai lady to Dubai. She is a silicon enhanced MILF, and she wants sex whenever possible, so life is good.

Of course, when I am with one lady for an extended period, I want a different lady, so I am looking forward to my return.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2767869]How you get 45 days? Extention for visa exempt is 30 days. Not 45. Thats only when you ENTER the country.

Besides that the name of the Gogobar would be helpfull (even better if tagnumbers of the ladies you talk about).[/QUOTE]Asking people to write reports like Monkeypaw is quite impossible. By the way, why has nobody mentioned about the GoGo bar dancers in house brawl at Fahrenheit and the stabbing a couple of nights ago? If you are in the know, you would know.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2767869]How you get 45 days? Extention for visa exempt is 30 days. Not 45. Thats only when you ENTER the country.[/QUOTE]It's currently 45 days since Last October until next March, they offered longer times this high season. I'm not so sure if extensions can be for 45 days.

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[QUOTE=TimTimms;2767915]About the girl who worked Soi 6 3 days did you ask how many customers she had that her Tittie's hurt so bad?

Are you bad boys squeezing them like an orange trying to extract every ounce of juice. Hahaha.

When I play with Thai Girls tittie I do so respectfully and kindly. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Didn't ask how many customers, but she sounded genuine, I don't try to confront whatever they say.

It's probably downstairs, when the customer pays her a drink while playing with her body.

They're probably holding on their nipples and pulling on them to get them erected or something like that, and I've met another girl wearing these patches, she's not the only one.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2767836]Paolo,

I freely admit that. Read my last post. I am just honestly reporting what some of my pals who have visited the area tell me plus what I have read in many recent reports about various Go Go's that I used to frequent all the time. I have never said you can't have a good time in Pat and at some point in the future I will endure the 24-hour flight and return not just to LOS but to Phnom Penh, Jakarta, and the PI as well. I just represent a number of punters who were locked out of Thailand and SEA in 2020 and who found a new playground populated with smokin' hot girls who are super passionate in bed and just 7 hours and 45 minutes from my hometown. The more choices we have the better.[/QUOTE]What places are these.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2767986]Wow, a whole week has gone by and no Indian bashing on this board? Is everyone too distracted by the World Cup?

Lift your game mongers. Hahaha.

I suppose all you fat white kunnttss think you look like James Bond.[/QUOTE]Imagine being lectured about Indian-bashing by someone who just a few weeks ago wrote the following.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2762448]Non-westernized Indian mongers who travel behave like savages. They don't use deodorant and therefore stink. They also treat women, especially hookers, disrespectfully. Then they bargain to ridiculously low levels. They treat the girls like shit. Choking, slapping, punching and wanting multiple shots on goal when they only have paid for one.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2767952]I am out of Pattaya for a short while, as I am taking a Thai lady to Dubai. She is a silicon enhanced MILF, and she wants sex whenever possible, so life is good.

Of course, when I am with one lady for an extended period, I want a different lady, so I am looking forward to my return.[/QUOTE]I hope your lady likes ladies for in Dubai there are lots of Russians, Ukrainians, Africans, Filipinas, Arabs, Indians and Thais for you both to cavort with.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2768020]Didn't ask how many customers, but she sounded genuine, I don't try to confront whatever they say.

It's probably downstairs, when the customer pays her a drink while playing with her body.

They're probably holding on their nipples and pulling on them to get them erected or something like that, and I've met another girl wearing these patches, she's not the only one.[/QUOTE]Both my shy puffy nipples girl and the big rack MILF that "betrayed" me in the gogo bar had those patches.

The explanation is they are sensitive. Thai girls know that well, which is why they always try to play with our little nipples because they think ours are as sensitive as theirs. So my MILF told me that she keeps them on because the sensation is too much for her, during sex it's fine, but not sitting on one lap after another.

And no, it's nothing any man needs to be blamed for and nothing inconsiderate on our side. We'd like to play of course, and even thinking they might like it. But a sensation that can be very powerful and enjoyable when overdone and in the wrong context is perceived as either ticklishness or pain.

Hence the patch.

As for gogo bars I have vowed to not try to circumvent the bar fine any more. It's pointless. There is no way to reserve a cutie. And plus, apparently they have heard the promise many times and no way she can trust that I will be back, as I said and I was. But any way 2 am isn't my time any more. If I want one I will check her out of the library as soon as possible for LT money be darned. And I wonder, with the 2000 baht bar fines nowadays, are they without time limit? It would seem so. Therefore, it seems to me that the earlier check-out the more bang for the buck.

[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2767869]Besides that the name of the Gogobar would be helpfull (even better if tagnumbers of the ladies you talk about).[/QUOTE]I realize I should tell, but since I haven't gotten my turn yet, I am holding off until I have. Sorry. And really that's not sooo special. In every gogo that I have gone I have seen two who I liked. In fact, I am tempted to just go now to sip another beer to get ready for bed. I am so tired. I don't know how people can do this "party all night" life. My bedtime is between 10 and midnight. Haha. Now is a good time to go to check if the good girls are all taken now or still left over.

I've been to Bangkok / Phuket with a previous GF, but this will be my first time solo. No SE Asia experience whatsoever. Major changes in my life so I say why the F*CK not. You only live once compadre's and I'm soo utterly drained from dealing with western women that I can’t wait to just relax. Some hehe.

I bought a one way ticket. Main camp will be Pattaya. I rented a condo close to Jomtien Beach only for a week and then I'll figure out my long term stay once I'm there. I hope to spend 2-3 months with quick trips around SE Asia as well as spend time in Northern Thailand.

Definitely not a rookie at this and I RTFF forum thoroughly as well as use other sources for information. No questions, just thanks to those who've made valuable contributions. I'm looking forward to adding reports as well.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2768101] As for gogo bars I have vowed to not try to circumvent the bar fine any more. It's pointless. There is no way to reserve a cutie. [/QUOTE]Sure there is. Just barfine her once or twice and establish good relations. All of my favorite repeat Go Go girls were happy to come over to my place before their work shift. Afternoon boom boom and lunch by the pool is a great way to spend the day. Sometimes the girls asked if they could bring friend.

I have also reserved a pickup time or "date" with favorite girls during their work hours no matter how popular they are in order to take advantage of the two tiered barfine system many of these agency Go Go's have. For example, if the barfine after midnight is half the 9 pm-12 barfine. I would simply pre-arrange our get together time to say 11:30 pm and when I arrived my girl would disengage from whoever was buying her drinks and join me in about 5 minutes. I would then buy her 1 drink and then she would head to the back room to change her clothes and away we would go. I used to do this all the time with my favorite stunner in What's Up Go Go back in the day. Check out my trip reports from 2012-2016 if they are still online. I used to love that girl and she was hot. Sadly, What's Up had drastically declined in girl quality the last time I was there in 2019. It was shocking. And I believe it has not reopened after Covid, but it used to my favorite Go Go in Pataya. Incidentally, I believe it was the first Go Go in Pattaya to employ the agency model. Which may have been good thing or bad thing depending on your point of view and the size of your wallet..

[QUOTE=Turgid;2768048]I hope your lady likes ladies for in Dubai there are lots of Russians, Ukrainians, Africans, Filipinas, Arabs, Indians and Thais for you both to cavort with.[/QUOTE]We are not hitting the bars in Dubai, just doing tourist stuff. By the end of the day, I am tired, so she does the work.

The weird thing is that she is in wife mode, or rather, insecure girlfriend mode, very clingy. But that's her superpower: next week, she will be clingy with the next guy.

She gets loads of messages from customers, some making reservations deep into next year. Meanwhile, I am lining up girls for my return to Pattaya later this week.

Since I always work late, now I found a good time for my evening beer at the gogo. It was 1 am till I was finally done with all the shit I had to organize. And the choice was: go to sleep (so tired!) or go out for one more beer. So I did 1 more beer (Doctor's orders). Staying 2 min walk away from the happenings is perfect to never have an excuse. It's just one beer. Draught beer price is not higher than in any other restaurant, and you get the show for free. Not a great show, but ogling girls in bikinis on a stage is a nice way to let go of thoughts. Was watching the two lookers with the nice knockers to appear when a cute one walked buy, I smiled, she smiled, and 5 min later she sat down next to me. Invited herself so to speak, but not pushy and the difference between unwanted and wanted attention is big. So my "just one beer" turned into 3 for me and 3 LDs for her. Soon it was 1:40 and she went for another dance, which is kinda OK because half of it was right in front of me. Then they rotate, I could still look for the two that I prefer but where I haven't been able to make a connection with (and I think they aren't going to be that fun, that's what I get when I observe them sitting usually bored with others.) Then at closing time we agreed I would wait outside. Had some mu satay and 15 min later she came out. Loaded up on more food from these stands, and we went to my hotel. Yes 5 k LT is not small change, plus another 750 on the tab with those 3 LDs, but I don't care this time around. We had a fine chemistry, although she kept guarding her kissing, so that is not as great for me, but overall fun, OK, one more in the morning, and now organizing the visa extension.

Nothing special to recommend. In fact, she was definitely BJ averse as she didn't like a CIM ending, and that usually means they start getting annoying right when the moment is best to finish. So, I don't really recommend her. It just was OK for me. Already told her I will be back in the bar, but she shouldn't be angry if I might pick someone else. Of course not.

This is a nice routine, that evening beer. By 1 am is perfect time to have enough to see the options, relax get the work bullshit out of my head, and see what the offerings are. Agree with one to meet after closing, watch her not escape. But when will I catch up on sleep? No idea.

More actionable info, the "just one beer" excuse works at the draught beer serving gogos. I am at LK Metro (no longer cheaper than Walking Street, but perhaps less pushy). Sugar Sugar, Paradise, they had the draught. Pulse was out one night I checked out the place, and it didn't impress me. I was at Kinky once, but paying 170 for a bottle beer is excessive IMO, so won't go back there. At Slutz I was once, it was so full I couldn't even find a seat. It looked nice, no idea if they have draught beer, but I will try again when I find a seat. In all those gogos in the Soi Bukhao area so far I was not pushed. In fact, at Kinky, with the beer 170 expensive, they did not only not push me, they almost forgot about me. Haha. Despite sitting in front row, the waitress always walked past me not offering the refill. (This has always worked for me even back in highschool: sit in front so the teacher overlooks you when checking homework. haha).

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2768105]I hope to spend 2-3 months with quick trips around SE Asia as well as spend time in Northern Thailand.[/QUOTE]As far as foreign travel, Angkor Wat, Cambodia is a bucket list entry. Phnom Penh's Tuol Sleng Genocide Museum and the Central Market interesting. Myanmar was the place to see, but now [S]...[/S] I'm waiting to get back; beautiful country. Malaysia and Singapore worth trips.

[QUOTE=AlwaysHorny2;2768105]I've been to Bangkok / Phuket with a previous GF, but this will be my first time solo. No SE Asia experience whatsoever. Major changes in my life so I say why the F*CK not. You only live once compadre's and I'm soo utterly drained from dealing with western women that I cant wait to just relax. Some hehe.

I bought a one way ticket. Main camp will be Pattaya. I rented a condo close to Jomtien Beach only for a week and then I'll figure out my long term stay once I'm there. I hope to spend 2-3 months with quick trips around SE Asia as well as spend time in Northern Thailand.

Definitely not a rookie at this and I RTFF forum thoroughly as well as use other sources for information. No questions, just thanks to those who've made valuable contributions. I'm looking forward to adding reports as well.[/QUOTE]If you want to take short trips around SE Asia, you should take a Thai lady with you. Singapore and Kuala Lumpur are good for 2 day trips. Also, try Danang (Bana Hills) or Halong Bay in Vietnam.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2768108]Sadly, What's Up had drastically declined in girl quality the last time I was there in 2019. It was shocking. And I believe it has not reopened after Covid, but it used to my favorite Go Go in Pataya. Incidentally, I believe it was the first Go Go in Pattaya to employ the agency model. Which may have been good thing or bad thing depending on your point of view and the size of your wallet..[/QUOTE]What is that "agency model"? When I hear "agency" I get upset. In Brazil, talking with the photoaccompanhante girls on WhatsApp you usually don't even talk with who will attend you. When they later arrive and everything is different from what was discussed on WhatsApp, then the excuse is that it was the agency. Didn't even think agencies were a thing in São Paulo, in Rio there were several which actually were good (today only Agência Felinas is left from those heydays). These agencies which you don't even know exist is a problem. Now what agency model are we talking about here?

One afterthought from my go go girl experience last night. She excessively washed her pussy. And that can be a red flag. Because as I had my fingers in and worked her (seemed like it got somewhere) they did smell a little not of fresh pussy but of an issue pussy. I also found it not smooth inside nor in the usual way wrinkled, but potentially some papiloma lesions. Did not even think about bareback. Anyway, there are those who clean al lot because they are shy, and others because they have to.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2768252]I also found it not smooth inside nor in the usual way wrinkled, but potentially some papiloma lesions.[/QUOTE]Most of the time when the pussy doesn't feel great inside is because the girl's been fucked to many times or she's in the trade for a very long time.

That's why I prefer the young and inexperienced girls, the quality of their pussy is no match, but then you have to deal with the no English conversations and their potential inability to perform.

Before leaving that place, I asked Paa what's the name of this bar. She repeated the name 3 times but I couldn't understand it. Another day I passed in front of it, but impossible to memorize. The name is strange, nothing like the usual names in soi6. But it's easy to locate. Opposite to Lollipop is Okay Boy bar, that bar is the first one on the left side when you're facing Okayboy bar.

Paa is a small little girl but nothing like the 3 others I've reported earlier, that girl is confident in herself and said she's been working there for 1 month (I would guess probably longer because she looked very relaxed, experienced and knew it all).

She briefly tried to lure me in her bar, I had a quick look at her and been attracted by her very pale skin and very long dark and straight hairs (her hairs were reaching her ass I think). Her pale skin shined compared to all the other girls around her, plus she puts some white powder on her face, which makes her look even more impressive. She is short and you can tell it at first glance because she doesn't wear high heels. She was wearing a white jeans skirt and a black top that enhanced a bit her breast. I was a bit concerned that her ass might not be good looking once her skirt is off but I later saw that I was wrong.

We sat directly on the first raw chair and I wasn't impressed by the bar. Again an environnment when the male cashier put a very loud music, made it difficult to talk together.

She is 23 and comes from Kalasin (Eesan), has a one year old baby (some light baby damage) and used to work in a phone shop in Pratunam in Bkk before coming here. Her English is quite good, she can easily communicate. Difficult to be all hands on that girl in that environment but I could touch her lightly during our talks, and I felt pretty excited sitting next to her. The very loud music was a concern for both of us, so she brought a connect4 game and we kept talking in briefly between our moves. Now I'm very good at that game and I very rarely meet girls that can beat me (when I'm focused on the game), but I can tell that girl knows how to play well.

She asked 1500 for ST and I was not ready to give her that. After a few minutes of playing and counter offering we reached an agreed price of 1200,400 for the room, 1 LD and my beer (prices were average prices that one can find in soi6).

The room upstairs was the worst I've seen, the shower was outside of the room (1 shower on the floor for two rooms), it was not clean (even a used cigarette on the floor) and there were some stuff stocked behind the bed.

Paa's body was exciting despite her beeing short and being a young mom. I think her smile and her relaxed attitude helped. She's got a little bit of belly but her small tits are good looking (with big nipples), her pussy is unshaved (her hair are very sparse and long, a bit like a teenage girl) and is very sweet, her ass looks yummy (both wide hips and very nice ass cheeks), her face looked good enough for me to spend 1 hour with her downstairs, beautifull very long hair, skin very lightly colored and very sweet everywhere you touch her.

That girl is very sensitive, and she liked to have sex, so she gets more and more sensitive during the act, which makes it feel like a very intimate session. Combined to the fact that the lighting in the room was bad, we shut the lights off and I really felt like I was having sex with a girlfriend. LFK and DATY ok with a lot of cuddling, I didn't need a BJ with her but I doubt she would refuse it.

When I left she told me "come again na" and then added" come back everyday", I could have come back for her because she was very sweet but the next time I walked by she was not there, and I found another very sweet girl in another bar, but that's for another report.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2768251]What is that "agency model"? When I hear "agency" I get upset. In Brazil, talking with the photoaccompanhante girls on WhatsApp you usually don't even talk with who will attend you. When they later arrive and everything is different from what was discussed on WhatsApp, then the excuse is that it was the agency. Didn't even think agencies were a thing in So Paulo, in Rio there were several which actually were good (today only Agncia Felinas is left from those heydays). These agencies which you don't even know exist is a problem. Now what agency model are we talking about here?[/QUOTE]When a bar owner can't get enough girls to fill his bar or there is a special occasion like an opening the owner will go to an "agency" and rent the girls. These girls will have higher lady drink prices and bar fines, if they bar fine at all.

I had heard good things about Honey Body Massage 2 so with aching full nuts I went in. It was around 6:30 pm. I thought M100 was cute with the two pony tails high up on her head so I picked her. I wasn't really impressed with the 50 girls or so on display. M100 was 3. 3 K and of course I bought her a 150 bhat drink. It feels like we have good chemistry but then she took a long time getting the tub and air mattress ready. After around 15 minutes of waiting she got me in the tub and gave a pretty good bath. Big Jim and the Twins were ready. She towels me off and puts me on the air mattress and gives the most non-sexy body slide. She then showers the soap off me and puts me on the bed. She takes another 15 minutes cleaning up while I'm just lounging on the bed. The TV was distracting. She finally joins me on the bed but I was limp and she goes to put a condom on my uninterested dick. She finally gets it on and gives me a terrible CBJ. She then gets on top and is loud. So loud that its obviously fake. We go through a few positions, I try to kiss her and she says no. I can't cum so I ask for a handy but she is terrible at that and I end up finishing myself off. She then gets dressed and I realized I did not get a massage. I get it, you're not going to have rapport with every girl but this was the worst massage parlor experience I have ever had.

If you do go to Honey Body Massage 2 do not choose M100!

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2768252]One afterthought from my go go girl experience last night. She excessively washed her pussy. And that can be a red flag. Because as I had my fingers in and worked her (seemed like it got somewhere) they did smell a little not of fresh pussy but of an issue pussy. I also found it not smooth inside nor in the usual way wrinkled, but potentially some papiloma lesions. Did not even think about bareback. Anyway, there are those who clean al lot because they are shy, and others because they have to.[/QUOTE]So you go all around pattaya touching every beer, doorhandle, motobike, and your own dick then go digging around in a girls pussy and you want to criticize her for excessively washing? I swear some of you people on this board are psychos.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2768315]So you go all around pattaya touching every beer, doorhandle, motobike, and your own dick then go digging around in a girls pussy and you want to criticize her for excessively washing? I swear some of you people on this board are psychos.[/QUOTE]I'm with ya but: word on the street is he never even stepped foot in Thailand and is one of the ones in moms basement just trolling us!! Don't take everything you read to be true! Especially when it comes to certain peoples reports!

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2768251]What is that "agency model"? [/QUOTE]It is a Go Go business model which originated in Pattaya around 2011 where the Go Go outsources the recruitment of its girls to an agency. There is a cost for this outsourcing, so these bars raised their barfines to cover the additional cost and add a little more profits to their bottom line. Thus began the two tiered barfine system. The main selling point of this new arrangement was that agency girls were supposed to be hotter and better looking than regular Go Go girls. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Ha Ha, so some people hated these new Go Go's and some people really liked them despite their higher prices. Read the older posts about What's Up Go Go, and you will get the picture. In any case What's Up Go Go was a bar some people loved to hate, BUT the place was always packed with customers every time I went there and IMHO the girls WERE on average and in large numbers better looking than those girls working in regular Go Go's. Over time the business model succeeded and more Go Go's became "agency" Go Go's. The first Go Go in BKK to convert to this new business model was Kings Castle 1 in Patpong, which became another very popular bar.

So StinkySquid, if you are still in Pattaya you head over to Pin Up Go Go one night around 9:30 and see what you think. No harm in looking unless you find the girls very attractive. 555.

[QUOTE=FunkMaster71;2768295]I get it, you're not going to have rapport with every girl but this was the worst massage parlor experience I have ever had.![/QUOTE]Thanks for your honest report. I haven't been in a soapy yetand I heard that the fish bowl doesn't have so many delicacies. That the service can be shitty is good to know. I don't know whether I should cry to have missed the Eden club by a life time or Kelly Oliveira by 1 year.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2768315]So you go all around pattaya touching every beer, doorhandle, motobike, and your own dick then go digging around in a girls pussy and you want to criticize her for excessively washing? I swear some of you people on this board are psychos.[/QUOTE]See title. Haven't read anything more ridiculous in a while. Tell us how you really feel. I am actually curious to understand where you are coming from.

I had a GF prospect prove herself unworthy of my continuing caring for her. Boy did I feel relieved! Left that date after 10 minutes with a big smile and went straight to my gogo bar to search for puffy nipples and nice rack MILF who had "betrayed" me on Sunday night.

Neither of them were there. Selection was thin. Difference was 9:30 pm on Sunday and 11:30 pm tonight I. I take it that the early bird catches the girl.

Did one draught beer each in two more gogos. Slutz was full again, no seat available (unless you double up with another dude). Not great selection.

This is good, suggests I buy myself 3 more hours of sleep hugging a girl for 2000 baht bar fine extra, and get a girl who sparks my interest. I did see some interesting 2nd tier faces and thought I should just make it a routine to pick up anyone no matter what. That differernt looking face, young, fresh off the farm shy one, or even the bitchy one sample them all and value them for what they are.

[QUOTE=FunkMaster71;2768295] I get it, you're not going to have rapport with every girl but this was the worst massage parlor experience I have ever had.

If you do go to Honey Body Massage 2 do not choose M100![/QUOTE]A lot of the girls who work in the bars have had massage experience. Some of the best massages I have had have actually been by girls I have picked up for long time. We have a good session and then they offer a massage. Since the ice is broken they will usually do a good job hoping for another bar fine.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2768252]One afterthought from my go go girl experience last night. She excessively washed her pussy. And that can be a red flag. Because as I had my fingers in and worked her (seemed like it got somewhere) they did smell a little not of fresh pussy but of an issue pussy. I also found it not smooth inside nor in the usual way wrinkled, but potentially some papiloma lesions. Did not even think about bareback. Anyway, there are those who clean al lot because they are shy, and others because they have to.[/QUOTE]Do girls know if they smell. One of my Favorites had an unpleasant odor.

I just stayed away from there. No way No How was I telling her she Smelled like an I. d. n. Hahaha.

I'm more into getting along with the Girl than mechanical Sex.

Has anyone have any idea about Honey 2 soppy massage in pattaya. Whats the price and how is the service.

I am leaving Dubai today with my Thai lady barfine, heading to Addis Ababa.

She is an expert at GFE, but very clingy, like an insecure GF. We get back to Pattaya in a few days, where she is booked for the next months with customers. Plus, she has a sponsor sending her money. I should ask her for a loan.

Of course, any lady getting cash from a sponsor hopes that the sponsor doesn't come to Pattaya, sponsors are giving incentive to their lady to not want to see them.

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We went to Sweethearts and then Annie Jacks, which had a lot of pretty girls standing outside earlier in the night, but later in the night the talent had dwindled dramatically. I bought a drink for the lovely Jen at her bar and she told me she was hungry. She punched my arm when I suggested I barfine her and take her to the 7 Eleven.[/QUOTE]In case you weren't aware, Annie Jack's are the ex What's Up and Imagine gogo girls. Many are now past their prime but one of my regulars from What's Up many years ago is still there. Drinks are like half the price as they were at What's Up and Imagine but of course they are not naked and you can't grope them nude at Annie Jack's. DFK still available at Annie Jack's though. Guess it's you get what you pay for.

The girls start at 5 pm at Annie Jack's so by 8 pm anyone good is gone.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2768357]See title. Haven't read anything more ridiculous in a while. Tell us how you really feel. I am actually curious to understand where you are coming from.[/QUOTE]So its white knighting to agree that a woman should be able to wash her pussy to her own standards after you've stuck your fingers all up in her. Man you are almost as bad as the guy with the cuckold fantasies of thai boyfriends. Another reason pattaya tourism is down because people don't' want to come behind guys like you.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2768251]What is that "agency model"? When I hear "agency" I get upset. In Brazil, talking with the photoaccompanhante girls on WhatsApp you usually don't even talk with who will attend you. When they later arrive and everything is different from what was discussed on WhatsApp, then the excuse is that it was the agency. Didn't even think agencies were a thing in So Paulo, in Rio there were several which actually were good (today only Agncia Felinas is left from those heydays). These agencies which you don't even know exist is a problem. Now what agency model are we talking about here?[/QUOTE]Sounds like they are talking about the dreaded COYOTES that the agencies supply on demand.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2768521]So its white knighting to agree that a woman should be able to wash her pussy to her own standards after you've stuck your fingers all up in her. Man you are almost as bad as the guy with the cuckold fantasies of thai boyfriends. Another reason pattaya tourism is down because people don't' want to come behind guys like you.[/QUOTE]Speaking of Thai boyfriends, a lady I know is stuck doing Grab deliveries as her Thai boyfriend won't let her work bar. Since she came to Pattaya to make money working bar, she wants to leave him, but has no cash.

So, I told her I would barfine her a couple of days while she looks for a job in a bar. We will stay in a hotel, since he knows where I live.

50/50 whether she contacts her Thai boyfriend while she is with me.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2768521]So its white knighting to agree that a woman should be able to wash her pussy to her own standards after you've stuck your fingers all up in her. Man you are almost as bad as the guy with the cuckold fantasies of thai boyfriends. Another reason pattaya tourism is down because people don't' want to come behind guys like you.[/QUOTE]You give these guys too much credit.

Nobody cares what these kind of guys say or do. The guy with his Thai boyfriends seems to be coming just to promote his friend's bars, almost all his posts are complete BS.

For the Stinky guy, we have yet to see an evidence he has ever put a foot in Thailand.

As for the Pattaya tourism being down, in my last trips I used to stay in Bkk mostly because I was tired of Pattaya, but this time I've spent more than two weeks in Pattaya and I felt it was better than before, I'll surely come back next year. Economic difficulties around the world are the big concern, psychos and bullshiters are not in my opinion.

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[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2768362][s]...[/s]and went straight to my gogo bar to search for puffy nipples and nice rack MILF who had "betrayed" me on Sunday night.[/QUOTE]She didn't "betray" you, she no doubt took a sure thing over a promise. You just lost your place in her queue for THAT night.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2768495]In case you weren't aware, Annie Jack's are the ex What's Up and Imagine gogo girls. Many are now past their prime but one of my regulars from What's Up many years ago is still there. Drinks are like half the price as they were at What's Up and Imagine but of course they are not naked and you can't grope them nude at Annie Jack's. DFK still available at Annie Jack's though. Guess it's you get what you pay for.

The girls start at 5 pm at Annie Jack's so by 8 pm anyone good is gone.[/QUOTE]BB, thanks for the update. It is too bad to hear about the drop in quality, but it must have been nice to bump into one of your regulars again after the long covid interval.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2768532]The guy with his Thai boyfriends seems to be coming just to promote his friend's bars, almost all his posts are complete BS.[/QUOTE]Called myself going to check out that Maggie Mays the other night. When I got to the door the crypt keeper opened that mf from the other side. I took one glance across the threshold and turned around and ran, not walked, to the ladyboy bar across instead!

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2767883]I'm mid-forties and in decent shape (plus the girls love my whiter-than-white skin and blue eyes)[/QUOTE]I am 50 and in decent shape. The girls always tell me I like your color. I have brown skin and brown eyes (they will say black eyes though). The only color that matters around here is the one on those 1000 baht bills, but if you are not confident in yourself, nobody else will be confident for you.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2767883]but the main thing going in my favour is I smile a lot and have fun with the girls, so they usually like me. On this trip I pole-danced with one girl, let another put lipstick on me and took 'happy hour' placards from other girls to help them lure in customers.[/QUOTE]And this right here is the key. It is your personality. This is not something that can be copied by other people. My uncle once told me that sometimes you have to make your own fun. And from this description that is exactly what you do. Other posters are waiting for fun to happen to them. These are the ones complaining they are not having a good time or that chicks are lazy.

A mf like you knows how to make the good time so that is exactly what you are having. A lot of guys say they walk down a Soi and don't see anything and leave. I walk down a soi and stop everywhere fucking with people and talking to people. It doesn't matter if it is a chick that I do not find attractive. It does not matter if it is a guy working there or a ladyboy. I like interacting with people and talking shit. If you are just out with laser guided focus to find the best girl or whatever then maybe you are not going to have fun and think you should have gone somewhere else. You have to get the stick out of your ass and loosen up and be a people person.

You can go to Pattaya and think you are going to have an experience just like SL. Well good luck with that. One thing I notice about SL is that he can see a good experience looming on the horizon and knows when to jump in and ride it out. (Like when Soi Buakhao was closing up and the random chick came up to him out of nowhere. I think most guys probably would have ignored her and walked off.) If you do not have the personality to garner that particular experience then you are wasting your time.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2768543]She didn't "betray" you, she no doubt took a sure thing over a promise. You just lost your place in her queue for THAT night.[/QUOTE]I know, that's why I put it in quotes, jokingly.

It looks like the number of customers has increased quite sharply in the last week, so the market becomes pretty fast. The 1 am trick probably won't work any more and we need to cough up the bar fine. Now it's midnight and I just done working, so now almost too late again.

[QUOTE=Vector313;2768521]So its white knighting to agree that a woman should be able to wash her pussy to her own standards after you've stuck your fingers all up in her. Man you are almost as bad as the guy with the cuckold fantasies of thai boyfriends. Another reason pattaya tourism is down because people don't' want to come behind guys like you.[/QUOTE]You are such a moron. You didn't get the point I was making.

She washed excessively *before* we started. She and I both showered, but she took a long time doing it down there. Then when I dared to stick my fingers in her pussy (without asking your moronic permission, OMG) they came out with that fishy smell, not fresh pussy. And I felt things a bit unusual in there.

But of course morons will think that somehow I am saying that a "woman should not be able to wash her pussy". You are such a moron, you were not able to even parse the basic sentence that says that I stuck my fingers in there after the washing and her washing had nothing to do with me.

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[QUOTE=Paolo99;2768532]For the Stinky guy, we have yet to see an evidence he has ever put a foot in Thailand.[/QUOTE]
I don't give a fuck what evidence you have about my life. I don't need to prove anything to you. I know where I am.

[QUOTE=PleasureOf69;2768477]Has anyone have any idea about Honey 2 soppy massage in pattaya. Whats the price and how is the service.[/QUOTE]Literally one page down was a report on this.

[QUOTE=FunkMaster71;2768295]I had heard good things about Honey Body Massage 2 so with aching full nuts I went in. It was around 6:30 pm. I thought M100 was cute with the two pony tails high up on her head so I picked her. I wasn't really impressed with the 50 girls or so on display. M100 was 3. 3 K and of course I bought her a 150 bhat drink. It feels like we have good chemistry but then she took a long time getting the tub and air mattress ready. After around 15 minutes of waiting she got me in the tub and gave a pretty good bath. Big Jim and the Twins were ready. She towels me off and puts me on the air mattress and gives the most non-sexy body slide. She then showers the soap off me and puts me on the bed. She takes another 15 minutes cleaning up while I'm just lounging on the bed. The TV was distracting. She finally joins me on the bed but I was limp and she goes to put a condom on my uninterested dick. She finally gets it on and gives me a terrible CBJ. She then gets on top and is loud. So loud that its obviously fake. We go through a few positions, I try to kiss her and she says no. I can't cum so I ask for a handy but she is terrible at that and I end up finishing myself off. She then gets dressed and I realized I did not get a massage. I get it, you're not going to have rapport with every girl but this was the worst massage parlor experience I have ever had.

If you do go to Honey Body Massage 2 do not choose M100![/QUOTE]

Travelling to Pattaya next week after gap of 5 years and very excited to see walking street. If anyone could help me with names of must visit go go bars from walking street then it will really help me to save my time.

You can PM me. Looking forward for some positive replies.

Thanks in advance guys.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2768495]In case you weren't aware, Annie Jack's are the ex What's Up and Imagine gogo girls.[/QUOTE]Ah, that's interesting to know. I've always wondered where some of these bars recruit their girls. It obviously works both ways too, because seven months ago I bought a drink for a very voluptuous young girl called Dada at Annie Jacks, who now works at Farenheit on Walking Street.

[QUOTE=PleasureOf69;2768477]Has anyone have any idea about Honey 2 soppy massage in pattaya. Whats the price and how is the service.[/QUOTE]I fucked a girl from Honey 2 on my recent trip. I wrote about it in my diary, including details on prices, if you take the time to scroll back about 20 pages.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2768617]Literally one page down was a report on this.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2768643]I fucked a girl from Honey 2 on my recent trip. I wrote about it in my diary, including details on prices, if you take the time to scroll back about 20 pages.[/QUOTE]Yes, some just post without doing ANY homework. I've seen a question where the answer was on the same page [S]...[/S].

Now [I]one[/I] here posts that one should just ask as this forum is not conducive to searches. And I can see [B]their[/B] point: [B]they[/B] post nothing useful so why suggest reading previous pages or searching? For ME, just firing off a question is disrespectful to those who take the time and make the effort to post useful FR's. I guess some expect the FR writers to simply regurgitate their previous posts. And for certain I'm fond of the "RTFF" and "UTFSE" responses (assigned F1 and F2 keys, respectively). Once you (2nd person plural) TRY and find answers on your own, THEN ask, this forum is very helpful.

This forum does have a built-in very effective search tool. If you don't know how to use, there is a search tutorial in the Reports of Distinction thread. Using keyword string "Honey 2" brings up a number of pertinent hits. And for those who'd say its ancient history, well, any historian will tell you you can learn a lot from ancient history. Servers might change, but most places maintain the same [I]scheme[/I], and it can certainly teach you lessons learned.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2768362]Bar fine appears to be sometimes necessary.

This is good, suggests I buy myself 3 more hours of sleep hugging a girl for 2000 baht bar fine extra, and get a girl who sparks my interest. [/QUOTE]Avoiding a bar fine seems to me false economy. You've come all the way here, it's your TIME (once the fates cut your thread, that's it), so why save a bar fine expense and miss out on someone who you'd enjoy? Different if you're a resident, but a visitor [S]...[/S] For myself, I'd always decide what her [I]experience[/I] was worth TO ME, and if I missed the chance and never got another with her, how much would I regret it. Most, not a lot, but there are a [I]few[/I][S]...[/S].

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2768600]And this right here is the key. It is your personality. This is not something that can be copied by other people. My uncle once told me that sometimes you have to make your own fun. And from this description that is exactly what you do. Other posters are waiting for fun to happen to them. These are the ones complaining they are not having a good time or that chicks are lazy.[/QUOTE]Agree. It's a game, it's supposed to be fun, it's NOT liife and death. Now I've never let someone put lipstick on me (well, kissing excepted), but braid my beard [S]...[/S] no problem. It might be [I]business[/I], but just like your work, their are some customers you enjoy because of their personality, and others you don't because of theirs. I enjoy the banter, and have been amazed at times by their quick wit. Just the other day, there was one who had me laughing out loud, literally, with her comments. THOSE are the keepers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2768600]...If you do not have the personality to garner that particular experience then you are wasting your time.[/QUOTE]I think the statement above is too strong. I am one of those folks who don't have that personality, yet I've always had a good time in Thailand, and many other places.

Really all one needs is enough money, and knowing where to go.

If Mr E runs away from a joint offering less than expensive girls that's saying something. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2768702]I think the statement above is too strong. I am one of those folks who don't have that personality, yet I've always had a good time in Thailand, and many other places.

Really all one needs is enough money, and knowing where to go.[/QUOTE]If guys had personality, looks, ,young, etc they wouldn't be trolling Soi 6 for boom boom.

Am I wrong?.

[QUOTE=AkashMal;2768623]Travelling to Pattaya next week after gap of 5 years and very excited to see walking street. If anyone could help me with names of must visit go go bars from walking street then it will really help me to save my time.[/QUOTE]My info is outdated now since I haven't been to Walking Street in 4 weeks.

Tier 1 - Pin Up, Palace.

Tier 2 - Sensations, Fahrenheit, Skyfall, Baccara.

Iron Club has recently reopened so you may want to check it out as well. By must visit I'm using the best looking girls criteria. If skanky is your definition of must visit then the list is completely different and add LK Metro gogo bars to your list.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2768720]My info is outdated now since I haven't been to Walking Street in 4 weeks.

Tier 1 - Pin Up, Palace.

Tier 2 - Sensations, Fahrenheit, Skyfall, Baccara.

Iron Club has recently reopened so you may want to check it out as well. By must visit I'm using the best looking girls criteria. If skanky is your definition of must visit then the list is completely different and add LK Metro gogo bars to your list.[/QUOTE]Plus- all above can be done in 2 hours.

Minus- all above can be done in 2 hours.