Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2562714]A lot of varieties, but limited access LOL! It is like watch, but do not touch situation LOL! America should make most innovative brothel, but their religious belief and society norm forbid them, I wonder where that comes from?[/QUOTE]It's a country founded by English puritans and further populated by Catholic immigrants and the incorporation of the Spanish southwest. The church was the foundation of westward expansion towns and cities.

We're still a relatively new society where the people owed much of their survival to the resources of the church. As such, our society is not too far removed from the days in which social pressure from the church and churchgoers dictates your place in society. More cosmopolitan areas such as the Northeast and Pacific coasts are a little different but those areas are still bound to the social resistance of rest of the nation.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2562858][URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-57234741[/URL]

Note how the the BigBlackCock propaganda outfit label his death an "unrelated illness" LOL! Where is the autopsy report?

Wonderful! Hahahahaha! It's almost like a religious cult where the First Communion is replaced with a "jab!" 'Branch Covidian!' 'Corona's Witnesses!' LOL!

You die in a motorcycle accident, then you get labeled "Covid19" but you die 6 months after getting injected with an experimental vaccine then it's quickly labeled as "unrelated illness."

[URL]https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report-07-18-2020[/URL]

This is how you are brainwashed and manipulated!

Go ahead suckers: line up for those "jabs" and die! The planet will be much better off, the global average IQ will go up, and there will be more pussy for the rest of us![/QUOTE]I guess any vaccinated person to die will now be linked to the horrible vaccine. Give it a rest and put down your fragile ego. We're making progress in ending the pandemic. It's okay to be happy even when you're wrong.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2561980]I realize this site is [b]full of CCP sympathizers and their apologists[/b]. But slowly the dialog is shifting to figuring out the true origin of this virus. The vicious backlash from CCP towards Australia with some CCP officials even mentioning nuclear weapons usage shows their defensiveness, and how edgy they continue to be. As of now, even the most strident CCP critics are staying with the accidental leak theory. At some point, if / when the lab origin of the virus is confirmed, the next question to be asked will be if the leak was accidental indeed or had the full blessing of Chinese admin / Xi.[/QUOTE]I assume you are referring to me (or Delta Indigo) as we are both by your definition "acolytes". I have zero issue with the accidental leak theory. Intentional leak is borderline. I mostly took issue with your contention that the virus was man-made. Saying the virus was not man-made is to me not a pro-China stance. It simply is a sentiment that China does not not have the scientific know-how to manipulate the virus in a manner that other virologists would not be able to detect the tampering.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2454155]That is the key point I was making -- that the [b]view that the virus is man made and came out of a Wuhan Lab is effectively the view of US government at the moment[/b]. We can all disagree but it IS the US government view for now.[/QUOTE]Here are my words from May 2020. I do not believe I am attacking China, but I am not sure if it would classify as a pro-China stance either:

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2454208]Scientists can look at the RNA in the samples to determine if it is man made or not, they need not go to Wuhan to make this conclusion. [b]I agree that China is in the wrong for blocking investigations of the Wuhan labs[/b]. It suggests a possible cover-up. Maybe scientists did not follow proper safety protocols and caught the virus from infected animals, resulting in an accidental spread to the general population.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=McAdonis;2454429][b]China is most likely hiding that there was some sort of accident at the lab[/b]. I posted a link from Dot Gov website, not some liberal rag. This link from the Director of National Intelligence states that the scientific consensus believes the virus is not man made.[/QUOTE]AFAIK, the current stance continues to be either zoonotic spillover or accidental leak. There is now more circumstantial evidence pointing to accidental leak. But back in May 2020, these were also the two prevailing theories:

[QUOTE]"The Intelligence Community also concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the COVID-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified. The IC will continue to rigorously examine emerging information and intelligence to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan."

https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/item/2112-intelligence-community-statement-on-origins-of-covid-19[/QUOTE]It seems to me that when someone does not 100 percent adopt and endorse your viewpoint, you apply labels, and are convinced that they have "fealty" to the opposing side. I tend to just look at the arguments presented. I suppose I might attempt to assess if the person I am debating is mentally stable. Otherwise, I do not care about the other person's profession, nationality, allegiances between posters, or who is agreeing with who.

About two years ago, there were a few senior posters who believed one poster was behind half the handles in the German FKK threads. Their belief was that this person was harvesting ISG handles (many of which had 1000 or more posts). And he was replying to himself using these different handles, and agreeing with his other fake handles to build "credibility". I was slightly skeptical, simply because I have a hard time believing someone could make posting on ISG their full-time job. And without conclusive evidence, I did not want to malign someone. I try not to read too much into another poster's intent or hidden agendas. If one person is indeed behind most of the handles on here, then there is even less reason to care about who is agreeing with who!

Also, I must come across as sneaky or as someone who is always up to something. If there is something about my writing style, that makes others impugn my motives, I welcome the criticism. The last debate I had with Cane (whites in Brazil), I remember him saying something along the lines of: "I knew that would be your next tactic". Anyway if I cherry-picked or pulled anything out of context, those quotes should be clickable.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2562900]It's a country founded by English puritans and further populated by Catholic immigrants and the incorporation of the Spanish southwest. The church was the foundation of westward expansion towns and cities.

We're still a relatively new society where the people owed much of their survival to the resources of the church. As such, our society is not too far removed from the days in which social pressure from the church and churchgoers dictates your place in society. More cosmopolitan areas such as the Northeast and Pacific coasts are a little different but those areas are still bound to the social resistance of rest of the nation.[/QUOTE]The evangelicals are a broken, spent political force these days. The feminazis are the problem now. The USA is genuinely hopeless, better to remain apolitical and just collect those frequent flyer miles across the pond.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2562894]Are you also fucking nuts or what? That's the sex deprivation which drives you so crazy?[/QUOTE]I've also noticed his declining mental health.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2562873]Looking forward to visiting Samya in the near future.

So happy to see things progressing and international travel opened up by May. These signs of normalcy with German cases falling below 50 per 100 K are very encouraging!

So glad to see the vaccines are helping put an end to the pandemic by reducing disease severity, giving the body some ammo to fight off the virus before the person becomes very ill while also reducing the time for which transmission is possible / likely.

In the mean time, fully vaccinated people who now have the tools to fight the virus can help reduce transmission by slapping on a mask and reducing asymptomatic spread. Hooray for humans who are not likely to suffer much from the disease itself, but opting to help society by preventing vulnerable from getting sick.

Miss you on the rants thread bud. I understand that it must be difficult to face your critics but no hard feelings. We all make mistakes![/QUOTE]There are news reports noting the efficacy of Pfizer and Moderna against the Indian mutation. Has anyone heard anything about the J&J and India variant yet? Unfortunately (or not), I did the J&J and now I'm in limbo when it comes to follow-up studies. Thanks.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2562938]I assume you are referring to me (or Delta Indigo) as we are both by your definition "acolytes". I have zero issue with the accidental leak theory. Intentional leak is borderline. I mostly took issue with your contention that the virus was man-made. Saying the virus was not man-made is to me not a pro-China stance. It simply is a sentiment that China does not not have the scientific know-how to manipulate the virus in a manner that other virologists would not be able to detect the tampering.

Here are my words from May 2020. I do not believe I am attacking China, but I am not sure if it would classify as a pro-China stance either:

AFAIK, the current stance continues to be either zoonotic spillover or accidental leak. There is now more circumstantial evidence pointing to accidental leak. But back in May 2020, these were also the two prevailing theories:

It seems to me that when someone does not 100 percent adopt and endorse your viewpoint, you apply labels, and are convinced that they have "fealty" to the opposing side. I tend to just look at the arguments presented. I suppose I might attempt to assess if the person I am debating is mentally stable. Otherwise, I do not care about the other person's profession, nationality, allegiances between posters, or who is agreeing with who.[/QUOTE]I don't remember who is Delta Indigo. I know I had some arguments with you in the past but the ones who stick in my mind very negatively are Gino with the endless Asian entry ban and the more recent not even debate but back and forth insults with a certain slimeball.

If I was referring to you, I would have said so very clearly. As you know, I did throw unnecessary insult at you last week but then regretted it and apologized for it because you were not in the middle of it.

As for the rest of your argument: believe what you believe and if what you said in the past is consistent with the more recent developments, it is fine. Whatever you think, millions died from a virus that came from China and my point in the past, present and until it is proven in the future is this: it was never investigated properly. CCP certainly had a motive. Many people in the west were too eager to swallow CCP's lies and ridicule people who did not nod their heads.

"Here are my words from May 2020. " If those were all the words you said and nothing more, good for you. I don't know why I would have disputed you on whether it was zoonotic or not, given I have no bio background. I stick w / topics I know.

[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/57174621-3863-42b0-a39a-a36801fd7481[/URL]

Now, Biden is also calling for a thorough investigation. Perhaps he is also a conspiracy monger. Fauci did a you turn. Apparently Fauci is out of favor in China and w / CCP now.

If you are behind the paywall for FT, below is a snippet from the above FT link:

"But questions over the institute's role resurfaced over the weekend after a report in the Wall Street Journal said that US intelligence agencies had concluded three researchers from the WIV fell ill with the disease in November 2019, a month before the first official case was reported.

Andy Slavitt, one of Biden's pandemic advisers, on Tuesday reiterated the US's demand for a more comprehensive international investigation.

That demand prompted an angry response from China, where state media described the lab leak hypothesis as "a conspiracy created by US intelligence agencies". "

Whether it was you or whoever attacked me last year pretty much implied I was a conspiracy monger. Now, CCP / China's state media is accusing US intelligence agencies of being conspiracy mongering because they too questioned the origin of the virus. I guess we can who is aligned with whose view here.

"I mostly took issue with your contention that the virus was man-made. " Oh? Did I say so categorically that it was definitely man made? Care to show me when I said so?

"Saying the virus was not man-made is to me not a pro-China stance. " Straw man. But more importantly, how did you ever know it was definitely NOT man made? Privy to some info that even US intelligence / Fauci not have?

"It seems to me that when someone does not 100 percent adopt and endorse your viewpoint, you apply labels, and are convinced that they have "fealty" to the opposing side. " Pure nonsense. But no doubt it will please the slimeball and his other pimp. As such, I did not even mention your name but you found some chip on some shoulder and came out swinging. If anyone is throwing around labels, here it is clearly you, McAdonis.

Get this: From the beginning my stance was that this was never investigated, people who suggested alternate explanations were plausible were instead ridiculed (as you are doing to me here, and no doubt your slimeball friend will do so again, and he has a few more attacking dog pimps in his pay); however, from the beginning it was obvious that the one who benefited the most was indeed China. Which is what I said then, if I remember correctly.

In Financial crimes they say "follow the cash trail". Or just "who has the motive". China benefited. It originated in China. Why did some people (whether it was you or others is irrelevant to me, but the fact is, people did) rush to give a clean chit to China and disagree vehemently that a man made virus intentionally leaked was an impossibility?

I again want to know, if this virus was deliberately leaked, it is nothing short of a global genocide. Why was there a rush, at least an inclination, to not demand a thorough investigation? In fact, are you now demanding a thorough investigation into this? Are your views aligned with Biden's and Fauci's?

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2562938]I assume you are referring to me (or Delta Indigo) as we are both by your definition "acolytes". I have zero issue with the accidental leak theory. Intentional leak is borderline. I mostly took issue with your contention that the virus was man-made. Saying the virus was not man-made is to me not a pro-China stance. It simply is a sentiment that China does not not have the scientific know-how to manipulate the virus in a manner that other virologists would not be able to detect the tampering.

Here are my words from May 2020. I do not believe I am attacking China, but I am not sure if it would classify as a pro-China stance either:

AFAIK, the current stance continues to be either zoonotic spillover or accidental leak. There is now more circumstantial evidence pointing to accidental leak. But back in May 2020, these were also the two prevailing theories:[/QUOTE]Same. The accidental leak seems to be very plausible. But the jump to human virulence does imply that human manipulation played a role.

Actual intent seems contradictory to China's game plan. They have been steadfast and steady for decades. See financial lending, third world infrastructure building, finding a key position in supply chains, sending all their students to nearly every leading nation's institutions of higher learning. Western economies were already on a steady decline compared to theirs. Divisions among western nations were already seeded. Bioweapon sabotage would undermine decades of precision game-planning.

Still, even if accidental, they bear large responsibility for the cover up. Even if the jump occurred naturally, they still bear responsibility for the cover up in December of 2019.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2562938]Also, I must come across as sneaky or as someone who is always up to something. If there is something about my writing style, that makes others impugn my motives, I welcome the criticism. The last debate I had with Cane (whites in Brazil), I remember him saying something along the lines of: "I knew that would be your next tactic". Anyway if I cherry-picked or pulled anything out of context, those quotes should be clickable.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I know you enough to not be that clever. Pussy! Then again, those sneaky ching chongs. Jkjkjk!

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2562725]The problem is that China will never ever allow a proper investigation. The only goal of the CCP is to stay in power and bully anybody who questions any of their decisions.[/QUOTE]Of course. But who will stop an investigation? Who has the strongest motive in obstructing an investigation? If someone was clean, why would they stop this?

Several millions already died officially, but clearly death tolls are hugely understated. The number of Covid deaths worldwide make it clear this was nothing but a massive genocide, if it was an intentional leak. Only one group, namely CCP, is stopping that investigation.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2562954]There are news reports noting the efficacy of Pfizer and Moderna against the Indian mutation. Has anyone heard anything about the J&J and India variant yet? Unfortunately (or not), I did the J&J and now I'm in limbo when it comes to follow-up studies. Thanks.[/QUOTE]The WHO says so. No evidence to think otherwise.

[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/covid-vaccines-effective-against-all-known-variants-says-who/a-57600323[/URL]

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2562950]The evangelicals are a broken, spent political force these days. The feminazis are the problem now. The USA is genuinely hopeless, better to remain apolitical and just collect those frequent flyer miles across the pond.[/QUOTE]Not so sure man. Politicians in the States still pander to the evangelicals. Even the most liberal politicians still would not dare declare a disbelief in a God, and certainly not the Christian God. We all know Trump isn't a religious man but he still courted all of the conservative evangelicals and nearly won a second time. I have no faith that Obama was religious either, but his team always made sure to show him at church around election season.

We're still decades behind Western / Northern Europe in regards to secularism.

Agreed that unbridled (American) liberalism may actually be the bigger threat going forward. On average, our people just don't have enough knowledge about world affairs to know any better.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2562900]It's a country founded by English puritans and further populated by Catholic immigrants and the incorporation of the Spanish southwest. The church was the foundation of westward expansion towns and cities.

We're still a relatively new society where the people owed much of their survival to the resources of the church. As such, our society is not too far removed from the days in which social pressure from the church and churchgoers dictates your place in society. More cosmopolitan areas such as the Northeast and Pacific coasts are a little different but those areas are still bound to the social resistance of rest of the nation.[/QUOTE]That explains a lot of things, but because of that people are pressured sexually among other things and go and shoot guns as it was also found with guns by killing native Indian people and also left the country divided as they also kidnapped African people and enslave them to build a country and never really apologized for it, but act as it was normal thing and now they are welcome kind of attitude as if they did it for them. Well I must say though comparison to 20th century a lot more equality is restored to USA and many part of the world.

So church is the reason behind sexual oppression in USA? That kind of make sense why many things are happening as it is happening in USA. I never get how one can put so much value on things that is written 2000 years ago, one can get inspire from it, but to base all your value is not a wise thing in my opinion.

But I also value myself on something that was created even few thousands years ago before that, naked young beautiful stunner LOL! I like to fuck them, that is my religion LOL and believe me, it is very peaceful hobby as after fucking them, the last thing I want is to have war with someone or fight LOL!

Since you dug up some past posts, I clicked on the link you presented; below that, in one of my own comments I said this:

"I appreciate the political discourse and insightful lessons from you Delta. The point still remains (a) the origin of the virus is not established because China is blocking any investigation (b) consequently we also have zero clarity on how it spread and how much of the spread and leak was intentional and unintentional (c) yes, many countries are adversely impacted w. Are. T. Their economies, including China BUT some are impacted much worse than others, and so far the trends are that China is less impacted than its key geopolitical rivals. If you have proof to refute these points, please do present them. Whether China foresaw how the impact would work out and was prepared to sacrifice a few pawns to capture the Queen of its opponent, that I do not know but there is no proof to say such a thing didn't happen. I will let you put probabilities. "

I did see the name Delta Indigo. It has been a long time, I guess that man has not been posting here much, or at least I did not see his name, so I forgot about getting into an argument with him.

But my own comment is quoted above. That was then. I still hold the same exact view. What has changed though is that now the US government is also pushing that view. Here is Biden today:

"As of today, the USA Intelligence Community has 'coalesced around two likely scenarios' but has not reached a definitive conclusion on this question. Here is their current position: 'while two elements in the IC leans toward the former scenario and one leans more toward the latter -- each with low or moderate confidence -- the majority of elements do not believe there is sufficient information to assess one to be more likely than the other,' " Biden said in the statement.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2562965]So church is the reason behind sexual oppression in USA? That kind of make sense why many things are happening as it is happening in USA. I never get how one can put so much value on things that is written 2000 years ago, one can get inspire from it, but to base all your value is not a wise thing in my opinion.

But I also value myself on something that was created even few thousands years ago before that, naked young beautiful stunner LOL! I like to fuck them, that is my religion LOL and believe me, it is very peaceful hobby as after fucking them, the last thing I want is to have war with someone or fight LOL![/QUOTE]Religion is the nominal scapegoat that is the culprit in the US. More universally, it is social the pressure of the herd and the flock needing a shepherd. Basically many people find comfort in being a part of a pack with a leader. In our case, that mantle falls on the church, at least historically. But the mentality has already taken root despite people not being really all that religious.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2562955]I don't remember who is Delta Indigo. I know I had some arguments with you in the past but the ones who stick in my mind very negatively are Gino with the endless Asian entry ban and the more recent not even debate but back and forth insults with a certain slimeball.[/QUOTE]Let the hate run through you. Feel it course through your veins. It gives me great pleasure. Whoops, just creamed my pants. Excuse me while I grab a towel.