Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Sailinaway]I am here with a friend of mine. Staying at the San Fernando Plaza. Went to La Strada last night. Lot's of pretty girls. And LOT's of dudes. It was recommended by a friend of a friend that lives here. What was puzzling was how "unfriendly" the girls were. We were, for the most part, hanging at the bar talking. Doing our own thing. We attempted a few times to talk to girls (we were ignored every time) and sent drinks to two different groups of girls (at the recommendation of the waitress. Who was actually the only friendly girl we met all night. She offered to bring two of her friends to meet us tonight. We'll see) and got nowhere (and before you assume. We're decent looking 40 yr old guys that typically have no problem meeting women. Both successful, single and both dating pretty girls. Not being braggard here. Just establishing that were not haggard looking dudes that have trouble meeting pretty women).

We had hit the strip club the night before and didn't stay long. It was packed with guys (at least 10 to 1) and we didn't see that many hot girls (actually a lot of girls that were a little overweight). I think we were at FASE II. So we opted for a Friday night with "non-pro's" to try our luck.

We left La Strada and ventured into Parqu Lleras. Had a couple of drinks at a couple of different bars (Triada, El Rojo and Basilica). It was around 1 AM and we called it a night. The only few girls we ran into were all with large groups of guys (and I realize this is typically the case as single girls don't often venture out as they would rather have guy friends. Or boyfriends. There to pick up the tab). So there wasn't much to keep us interested.

I must say I went home feeling a little disenchanted after hearing how friendly and warm the women were. And let me be clear about expectations. I was not expecting to walk into a regular bar and pick up a girl and take her home. We were simply looking to meet and have fun with some regular girls from Medellin. My friend is from Honduras and speaks fluent spanish. So I thought that would be a plus. Honestly. It felt like trying to meet girls in any other city (granted there were many more beautiful girls that in most cities. I will say that!) and based on everything I had heard about Medellin. I was hoping to find a more warm reception from the women here.

So now that I have "whined" about it all (and if your still reading. Thanks for hanging in there!). This is my question to any of you that care to offer some suggestions.

As you can see from the title of my post. I am feeling my way around. And not having much luck. What I am looking for is a bar or a club where you are likely to find a girl that is a pro. But with the atmosphere that you are picking her up. Not into the "street girl" thing (if I ever tripped up and brought home a tranny. It would haunt me till the end of my days!) and don't prefer the club where you pop into a room for 30. 60 mins (just don't like the "feel"). I realize the "Beetle Bar" of Costa Rican fame doesn't exist here and I am not expecting to find that. But even in Chicago and Atlanta there are bars you can go into that are frequented by pros but also filled with businessmen and everyday people.

Thanks in advance for any tips!

P.S. And I have read the list posted by World Travel 69 and plan to try some of those tonight. If you have a favorite. Or another option. Let me know![/QUOTE]Where to start. All just friendly advice. Thinking critically not being critical. We're all in this together so I'm just trying to help.

1) I noticed is that you said you went home around 1am, with the time line you wrote it sound like you were at the club around 10ish 11ish; is this correct? If it is I'd say you hit the club too early and you should of went to Parque Lleres first. Walked around a bit, tried to find some girls to take to the club, you know some apps and drinks then hop in a cab to the club.

2) Bro come on! Sending a round of drinks to some random group of girls? We're not in 1985 any more. It is actually kind of "creepy" to send over a round to a total group of strange chicks with out having some sort of connection. Chicks respect confidence, correction EVERYBODY respects confidence.

3) You are not going to meet any normal Chicks at Fase 2

4)Your buddy's language skills should be an advantage. Unless you're friend is not funny or charming.

5) If you and your buddy are in your 40's do you look like you're in your 40's?

How do you guys dress? Balding/Grey Hair? Old guy Glasses? Fat/Guts? I know that most of the members will give me hell for this but most "normal" girls in their late teens and early 20's do not want to date their dad; even in South America. It's the truth

MY CLUB ADVICE:

Try to bring girls to the Club with you, If you can't find any get a table and a bottle, Play the roll of "Ballers", invite random girls to the table ect, ANY GIRLS and EVERY GIRLS; it is a numbers game. Be cool, be funny, smile and this is the most important thing DANCE! Get out there and dance, it's is SO IMPORTANT THAT YOU DANCE! If you're not "Handsome" dancing well and being confident will help off set the lack of "Handsome". Speaking of which

If you want to just hang with "normal chicks" it is 100% the same as meeting girls in ANY COUNTRY! Having some loot helps but being cool, fun, confident, and positive is the best advice you're going to get.

Hey guys,

I'm flying into Medellin for Christmas and New Years. Up to 2 weeks is what I am estimating right now. I was thinking of booking a hotel for the first 3 days and looking for the apartment once I get there, around December 27th so that I can see it in person before sending the money. Is it relatively easy to find a decent apartment last minute (for 2 people) given that the new years will be approaching? I was thinking El Poblado, since that sounds like the happening place.

Any recommendations on an apartment?

How much do you expect an apartment to run for 2 people? I don't need anything extravagant, safety and location are my top priority.

Thanks

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]The gringo "novelty" is long gone thats if there ever even was one. Gringos are not getting the best reputation in Medellin and I would even go as far as saying "starting to be frowned upon" and as the Kangaroo Man says "Any girl seen with a gringo might be perceived as a prepago" Sad but getting true![/QUOTE]I would to offer one small edit

"Any girl seen with a gringo 20+ years older than her with no logical reason for being with this chump gringo might be perceived as a prepago"

Truth Hurts.

Gringos/extranjeros have very good reputation in Medellin and girls seen with them are not at all seen automatically as " prepagos".

We ourselves that draw the obvious conslusion since often are among girls who are, to some extent, "prepagos".

I have visited respectful institutions with intelligent girls.

I have had female friends of different kinds and if it is one thing girls are sensitive about - it´s what other people think, hence few of them would go out with us if this automatically inclined that they were prostitutes.

Stupid prepagos are often young girls who never have had an income and thinks it is cool to make money without working.

The majority of the females, who you really want to spent time with, are harder to get in bed, but on the other hand you don´t have to feel like a weekend babysitter.

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Have you tried the dating websites? Its a good way to "penetrate" a girls circle of friends once you make contact with at least one of them.

The gringo "novelty" is long gone thats if there ever even was one. Gringos are not getting the best reputation in Medellin and I would even go as far as saying "starting to be frowned upon" and as the Kangaroo Man says "Any girl seen with a gringo might be perceived as a prepago" Sad but getting true![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MS Clive]Saw this book on Amazon: Men's Guide to Colombia.

Any opinions or reviews?[/QUOTE]Not having read the book, I'm thinking this website renders this or any book mostly obsolete before it even prints.

If you buy it, check for accuracy here first.

Better yet, save your money & spend it on a cutie when you get here.

I'm willing to bet anything in that book can be found here.

If not, tons of mongers willing to help.

Just a general observation.

Just imagine Chinese guys in 40s came to a bar in your town. Will the girls in the bar be very friendly to them? [QUOTE=Sailinaway]I am here with a friend of mine. Staying at the San Fernando Plaza. Went to La Strada last night. Lot's of pretty girls. And LOT's of dudes. It was recommended by a friend of a friend that lives here. What was puzzling was how "unfriendly" the girls were. We were, for the most part, hanging at the bar talking. Doing our own thing. We attempted a few times to talk to girls (we were ignored every time) and sent drinks to two different groups of girls (at the recommendation of the waitress.

[QUOTE=Matt Psyche]Just imagine Chinese guys in 40s came to a bar in your town. Will the girls in the bar be very friendly to them? [QUOTE=Sailinaway]I am here with a friend of mine. Staying at the San Fernando Plaza. Went to La Strada last night. Lot's of pretty girls. And LOT's of dudes. It was recommended by a friend of a friend that lives here. What was puzzling was how "unfriendly" the girls were. We were, for the most part, hanging at the bar talking. Doing our own thing. We attempted a few times to talk to girls (we were ignored every time) and sent drinks to two different groups of girls (at the recommendation of the waitress.[/QUOTE]

hahahaha lol, This might be the analogy of the year! I don't know whether to call you a racist bastard or say, "I can kind of see your point" Well if this was in Flushing NY and "guys in 40's came in, well then I would say yes! The girls would be very friendly to them!

[QUOTE=Aybolit]Hey guys,

I'm flying into Medellin for Christmas and New Years. Up to 2 weeks is what I am estimating right now. I was thinking of booking a hotel for the first 3 days and looking for the apartment once I get there, around December 27th so that I can see it in person before sending the money. Is it relatively easy to find a decent apartment last minute (for 2 people) given that the new years will be approaching? I was thinking El Poblado, since that sounds like the happening place.

Any recommendations on an apartment?

How much do you expect an apartment to run for 2 people? I don't need anything extravagant, safety and location are my top priority.

Thanks[/QUOTE] I strongly recommend [url]http://www.theapartmentmedellin.com[/url]. Andrew is a good man and he has some nice panty dropping cribs. I'll be staying in one of them again on the 27th. He has studios to 3 bedrooms that range from $75 US to $150 US a night. They're all in Poblado which is safe and close to the best bars and restaurants. You also won't have any problems bringing chicas to the crib because it's like your own home. Up front you pay a reservation deposit of 20% of the total cost of the stay and a $300 US security deposit via Paypal which is returned a couple of days after you check out as long as none of your crazy chicas don't damage anything. It's a good deal and Andrew is trustworthy. Feel free to PM me for more information.

[QUOTE=Sailinaway]We were simply looking to meet and have fun with some regular girls from Medellin. My friend is from Honduras and speaks fluent spanish. So I thought that would be a plus. Honestly. It felt like trying to meet girls in any other city (granted there were many more beautiful girls that in most cities. I will say that!) and based on everything I had heard about Medellin. I was hoping to find a more warm reception from the women here.[/QUOTE]As someone was saying try the dating sites to meet non-pros. Otherwise, if you are trying to cold meet Colombianas then you pretty much have to do it in the day time when you see them working or running errands in public. As you have seen they do not go to nightclubs/discos alone or with just females. There are always males in the group and you can't tell if the males are boyfriends or just friends because they take turns dancing with each other, sitting next to each other, etc. In my observation and experience Colombians (male or female) do not go out in order to meet new people as say we do here in the USA. Their idea of going out is to socialize amongst their pre-existing group of friends. It might be a little work, but once you do get a couple of them into your hip pocket you will not be disappointed.

I do not mean to be argumentative, but ethnocentralistic attitude often clouds people's understanding of the situation what is going on. If you are in foreign country, you look very different and your oral and body languages maybe sending unintended signals. Also, your behavior may not be fully in accordance with etiquette in that country. Your situation is not different from Chinese (or whatever) in your country. Some nationalities may be more ethnocentralistic than others, and believe that their values and mode of behavior should be relevant, or even prevalent, in foreign countries. This may cause many things- trade deficit, unpopular gringos who claim to be good looking, and others.

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver][QUOTE=Matt Psyche]Just imagine Chinese guys in 40s came to a bar in your town. Will the girls in the bar be very friendly to them?

hahahaha lol, This might be the analogy of the year! I don't know whether to call you a racist bastard or say, "I can kind of see your point" Well if this was in Flushing NY and "guys in 40's came in, well then I would say yes! The girls would be very friendly to them![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Member #2492]I simply asked my date to pass both of us a STD test (available at Prado Center, Poblado, Envigado for as low as 40, 000 pesos; results the same day),
[/QUOTE]

I'm interested in getting such a test. Can you or somebody else out there give me an addres?

Mr. Enternational's answer has been the most helpful response to your report so far and I have to reiterate what he said.

It's been said on this forum time and time again so it's not like you have an excuse that you didn't know unless you didn't bother to read the reports (including mine in the past):

This is NOT a country conducive to cold approaches in the evening in bar/club settings. People here go out in mixed groups. Your friend from Honduras is not going to be of much help. You need local male friends. I have several so I hang out with them and it's just a natural process to meet their circle of female friends and so on. Since I'm "vouched for" by a local male, I can bring out my camera and it's almost like they start dancing and smiling just for me. :)

So it can be done, but without the local connection it's an uphill battle with the non-pros. Try the dating sites.

This idea of meeting girls in clubs and bars is something we bring over from the states but this ain't Kansas. Even if you have money and game, it's not going to be easy. Maybe in Bogota, where the women are used to meeting more gringos and foreigners on business or visiting, you might be lucky.

The cold approach actually works better for Americans in some European and Scandinavian countries assuming the age difference is not too much. South America, not so much.

[QUOTE=Menteng]I'm interested in getting such a test. Can you or somebody else out there give me an addres?[/QUOTE]Any clinica will offer these tests.

Clinica Las Vegas on Ave. Las Vegas across from EAFIT. 2nd floor up the stairs behind the elevators. and;

Clinica Medellin on Av. Poblado next to the Dan Carlton hotel

They are probably the two closest to Poblado

[QUOTE=Slamcity7777]I would to offer one small edit

"Any girl seen with a gringo 20+ years older than her with no logical reason for being with this chump gringo might be perceived as a prepago"

Truth Hurts.[/QUOTE]

Now that's genius.

BTW, what are the logical reasons why this girl would be this older "chump gringo"?? ... because there's absolutely no way she actually digs him, right?

I date girls in both Colombia and Brazil, 20 years younger, and get along fantastic with them.
I just couldn't imagine going back to dating like age girls, foreign or domestic.

Life gets a lot easier when ya stop giving a hoot what anyone 'perceives'.
That's my truth.

[QUOTE=Ricker].....Life gets a lot easier when ya stop giving a hoot what anyone 'perceives'.

That's my truth.[/QUOTE]

Well said!