Kyiv

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Upstairs is with the big central stage and downstairs with the booths? Can't remember which was which... :)[/QUOTE]Doc, upstairs has the stage to the right as you walk in and some booths around the wall. Can't say i've been to one downstairs, that any better?

My first time there I picked up a girl called Inna, fabulous fake red head, but sadly not there on any of my subsequent visits and the number i had now doesn't work.

Diceman, you're probably right, I'm not too clued up on the young ones, i'm mid-30s and I prefer girls in their mid-20s (old enough to know better, but still young enough not to care!), they're a bit more fun for me.

[QUOTE=Uke Boy]Rio Strip Club, Bogdan Khmelnytskoho 30/10.

Have fun since it is expensive take away.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the address. But how expensive is "expensive"?

In Millenium it was USD 800 for all night 6 months ago.

[QUOTE=Hal Johnson]I was also leaning for Kiev for the following reasons, I'm a US citizen, no visa needed. Also, it seems like there is more mongering to be done there.

Also, hopefully, I assume lots more freebies who understand English.

Based on what you said, the culture seems to be more liberal than Belarus so maybe the freebies would also be easier.

1. The only hesitation I had was whether there are more blondes in Belarus than in Ukraine.

2. Also, since Belarus is less explored, it is cheaper and easier for a foreigner to pick up freebies.

I would be interested to hear from you guys abour your thoughts on this?

Based on what you have told me thus far, I will stay in Kiev and go on trips to Belarus, Russia and Moldova.

Any ideas for me on how to set up some easy freebies before I get there. Do you recommed any good dating sites that I can check out prior to getting over there? What about those marriage sites? I am definitely not interested in getting married but are there any ways to meet some easy freebies who want to meet foreigners through those sites? Any you would recommend?

Thanks so much for all the advice. It is very helpful. I am really excited and looking forward to this extended trip.[/QUOTE]My experience is limited to 2 trips to kiev and minsk belarus, and here are my 2 cents for what 's worth.

For belarus you would need a visa for a start, and to get the visa, you need to prebook your accomodation, hotel apt etc.

2, then you need to wait a week before a visa is issued.

From what I have seen the girls in kiev were more attractive and plenty of blondes there.

3 It is much easier to navigate your way in kiev to look for freebies than in minsk. I didn't find the average hookers in minsk hanging around in hotels that cheap. They were asking 100 euros one hour, read 1 pop.

One club to head for in minsk is westworld a mix of wgs and some freebies.

I am a well travelled monger, and I have to say, that the girls of river palace, are some of the prettiest, that I have ever seen.

River palace is on par with help disco in Rio, re quality of girls albeit different looks and colours.

Agree with diceman about his observations about the girls in vilinus, and you have to bear in mind prostitution is illegal in lithuania, and I didn't find it that easy to find wgs.

Conclusion, like you said make Kiev your base and make side trips. All these places are worth visiting for the experience and different cultures.

[QUOTE=Explorer69]Thanks for the address. But how expensive is "expensive"?

In Millenium it was USD 800 for all night 6 months ago.[/QUOTE]

I'm a little fuzzy, and the exchange rate differences also muddy the water, but I could have sworn a 2 hour takeout cost me the equivalent of $200. Some reports here peg it at $300 now, which is odd because if you pay in Hrivna, that would be some spectacular price increase. The dollar was around 4.5 grivnas a year ago.
I never inquired about an all-nighter.

For those of you who haven't been downstairs (past the coat check), there is a 3-pole runway in the middle of the floor, surrounded by booths on either side. You get a nicer closeup of the girls being only about 5 feet away. The bar manager is a good guy and remembers his regulars.

For extended visits to Rio, you are best sticking with beer. The mixed drinks are quite pricey, as are lady drinks.

The one annoying thing about Rio is the security guy at the main entrance always looking for a tip when you leave, with girl or without.

The only thin

I have during my stay here, from time to time, had problems with girls not wanting to go to my place – the student's dorms. First it is a little bit too far away. Second they think that there will be other persons in the room. Third, they think that the standard is too low. Fourth, this is maybe not what they are dreaming of.

Another problem is that I always have to bribe the guard – and that tend to get expensive in the long run since they work on shift. So next night a new guard – and new expenses for me.

One of the professionals at RP, Lena (blonde, petite, always busy with customers, one of the smart girls), told me about this hotel/apartment complex open on a 24 hours-basis:

LEON.
Tel: (066) 111-2222; 517 29 01/517 72 62
[url]www.sauna-leon.com.ua[/url]
Бул. Комбинатна 6, МИКIЛЬСЬКА СЛОБIДКА

It's about five minutes from RP with a taxi – just make sure to order the taxi in advance (10 minutes or so), it will save you some money. The sharks waiting outside RP charges 100 grivnas, and they are not even thankful. Why don't people say "thank you" in this country?!

I tried out this place Friday morning, and it is perfect in my case – and I guess for all other mongers not wanting to struggle with stuck-up hotel personal. My room (no 6) had three bedrooms, sauna, some kind of pool, shower, and in the middle a billiard table, and a TV/stereo-set. All went for 243 grivna for one hour. I guess they have smaller rooms, since what's the need for three bedrooms if you come alone with a girl. I will check out this option next time busy.

Brandon and E69,

A few months ago, a take out for 9+ at Rio was $300 for about 1.5 hours. The "crisis" has taken its toll here where economic laws do not apply. This is much too high for Ukraine but sometimes doing the right thing in keeping prices down does not always apply to a 9+ stripper.:D

After prices for sex services dropped to much lower levels at the beginning of the year, there is a noticeable jump back to higher prices on a levels of a year ago. :(

How this increase plays out with the locals who still remain the largest user group remains to be seen. However, there are still many 400-500 grivna bargains on prostitute web sites and from ladies located in services such as Mamba.

[QUOTE=Uke Boy]How this increase plays out with the locals who still remain the largest user group remains to be seen. However, there are still many 400-500 grivna bargains on prostitute web sites and from ladies located in services such as Mamba.[/QUOTE]My experience with Mamba is that there are two ways of playing it, short-term and long-term.

The short-term consists of contacting the girls who are openly 'intim za dengi', or who are showing photos of themselves nearly naked. Most of these girls will be anywhere from $ 80 to $150.

Problem being that chances are, the girl in the photo is not going to be the girl turning up at your door. If she does, it's unlikely that she'll be as hot in the flesh as her 'touched up' photos (nothing wrong with that of course).

The long-term approach is to contact girls who have 'regular sex' listed in their interests. These girls you have to actually strike up some kind of relationship with through the site. Depending on how successful you are, you'll come to a point where you're talking about meeting, or have skipped that and are already talking about fucking.

My first two or three times using the long-term approach I had some fun long weekends in kyiv, but it was very much going there to meet one girl for the weekend (action was always pretty much guaranteed). But there's also something to be said for seeing a different girl each day. In that case, unless you're a skilled operator, the short-term approach is a better way to go.

Of course, this is all subjective and might not work for other people, for me it's been a great way of meeting girls I might otherwise struggle to talk to in a club.

For my nov trip to kiev, I have got a a list of 400 to 600 grivna girls from escorts models. Kiev and top models with a max price of $100., that I am willing to pay.

Made contacts, and I did specify to them or their handlers, that if the girls who turn up, are nothing like the girls in the pictures, I am not paying any taxi money, and will be sending them back.

To pay $300 for girls from Rio for 1.5 hours, defeats the object of getting our asses all the way to kiev for mongering, no matter how beautiful the girl is.

I have got another list of girls from river palace, who are willing to do noties in the afternoon, for a much lower price, than asked for in the club. HAPPY hours I suppose.

MEASH thank you for your discovery and tip.

WHEN are going to study Russian?

Cheers from London

I went to check out Rio yesterday, and the price for a 2 hour take out was $300. Drinks quite expensive. What we usually pay 80 grivnas for at River Palace costed us 135 grivnas here. I didn't check out how much a ladies drink cost, but it's usually expensive. Entrance 50 grivnas, which is reasonable.

What I didn't like about Rio was the atmosphere. Quite dry (I went downstairs, they have reparations upstairs for another week), and few girls on the floor – which amazes me – since about 35-40 girl was working that night according to the one I talked to. Probably this was true since they switched dancers at the strip poles every second song. And another new three girls went out from the "restricted area" to do their program. But instead of going to customers after finishing the program – they just went back inside!

If I visit a strip club I want to be surrounded of girls, two on my right side, two on my left side – all trying to convince me to buy a drink or whatever. And if they don't succeed, new girls shall come to me. Finally I may settle a deal, who knows? This was too bad. I have never been to NY, but I guess it may be like this. Pretty sterile, pretty boring, pretty cold.

The only good thing of Rio is the option of taking girls home, but $300 is not worth the investment. When they lower the price to $200 I will become a regular here, but now River Palace is such a better option.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Upstairs is with the big central stage and downstairs with the booths? Can't remember which was which... :)[/QUOTE]No more upstairs. Burnt 2-3 weeks ago along with a lot of other stuff in that building. I do think they are rebuilding though. Downstaris is working and u get a nice fire smell walking in (at least a few days ago you still did).

As of last week it is $300 until 5AM.

If you go early in the day I think its $400 until 5AM.

Entrance is 100h (they just raised it a few weeks ago), table dances are 50h, private dances are 200h and beer is 35h.

Telos,

Yyou are right. Entrance 100 grivnas to Rio, not 50 as I wrote! I thought my hundred grivnas took care of the tickets both for me and my friend, but that was not the case.

Jojosun,

My course in Russian actually started the day after my arrival! So no rest – no peace. I am happy though that my class mates are not the sharpest brains in the universe, so things are going pretty slow. I am still enjoying the excitement of being here, but lessons Monday to Friday, 10 am – 3 pm, are starting to have its price. I really like RP Mondays and Thursdays, but it is tough to get up the next day – especially if you have landed a fish the night (hours) before. So far – so good. But my performance in bed is maybe not what it was the first weekend in Kiev! I do need some rest soon. Btw, that list of RP-girls doing discounted performances during daylight sounds interesting... Me and my friend both landed two RP-girls on Saturday morning (4 am) for 100 dollars each. The funny thing was that my girl convinced my friend's girl to go for "her" price ($100). So finally we broke the RP-cartell. But they were only average, five in scale.

[QUOTE=Telos]As of last week it is $300 until 5AM.

If you go early in the day I think its $400 until 5AM.

Entrance is 100h (they just raised it a few weeks ago), table dances are 50h, private dances are 200h and beer is 35h.[/QUOTE]


Sounds like the Ukrainians have adopted the Thai bar owner mentality - when business is down, raise prices dramatically.

Day 1 Friday PM, My second trip to Kiev

Had the chance to visit Kiev in earlier this month. Since I had good luck with my last apartment rental, I went with the same agency.. This time using a rented local phone (came with the apartment). Uploaded 50 grivna. Later had to add 25 grivna to finish out the 4 day stay. 50 grivna for 3 days seems about right..

My apartment was on Khreshatik the city center, this time had a view of the main drag. Very nice. However my first hiccup. Wifi broadband was down in the apartment and since I had been talking with numerous women online on mamaba. Ru, I had accumulated many numbers, but had not written them down. This slowed my calling them on my rented phone and easily lost me a few hours of mongering. Tried in vain to get the wifi operational, but finally decided I needed a Plan B and went with laptop to find an internet café. Turns out there was wi fi at an Indian restauraunt down the hill and sat there to look up the numbers and names of the women. Another tactical error on my part, but I had been traveling in Switzerland, Czech and Germany, and thought I would find the time while in those countries to extract the numbers, but never did find the time. Another lesson for the future. I also plan to look into buying an unlocked cell my next trip so I can maintain cell numbers for the future. My English speaking driver from trip 1 was not in town so I had a weak English speaking driver to coordinate with.. This also presented some problems, but in the end I was able to work thru them, and he did get me from and to the airport on time..

After overcoming my errors, I then proceeded to call a few women to set up meeting times. I thought this trip I would look to meet a few women and to see how hard it was to get a few freebies. While my backup was p4p. I lined up a few meetings for Saturday and then proceeded to look into a few near term lays. Except for my visits to RP, I used mamba exclusively and was very impressed. Each girl that visited me was the girl in the profile and with accurate photos. That is if you stay away from the Angelina Jolie, Charlize Theron, Britney Spears pictures.. LOL.

I told the girls on mamba who were online that I was in town and ready to meet them.. Got several hits and started lining them up. Most of these girls were actually on time within 15 minutes of when they said they'd be at my place. All again matched their photos.. And across the board were more than camera shy.. They actually said they would leave if I persisted. I need to get a better angle on this in the future, but since I was not meeting them in a public place and we had online negotiated a "price" we had pretty much dispensed with the formalities.

First thing was a young 20 year old blonde, very hot. Great looking long legs. She had a nice B rack, loved to suck. This trip I seemed to find many who liked BBBJ, 69 and a few extras. I did not pursue anal, but guess several were game. This girl was well worth the 600 grivna, plus since she was very much into the sucking, I gave her 50 grivna for cab fare. This was interesting since once she showed up, I met her at her taxi, she wanted the money up front, convinced her I would give half up front and the rest upon completion. She was not a clock watcher and she worked real hard to please me. She was a great moaner and really got into doggie and modified doggie. She did go crazy when I had her in missionary with her legs up around my ears and when I finally came. All in all a great first fuck and easily recommended for 600 grivna. Since I do not read Russian, I do not know how to pronounce or spell her name. But she had very nice blue eyes, very nice below shoulder length platinum blonde hair and a greatr pair of legs.. I would raste her easily an 8-8+.

When I was online at the Indian restaurant, I also found another 25 year old blonde, called her up shortly after cleaning up from the first blonde left and one hour later, there she stood at my door. This one had a great looking natural rack, solid Cs and she loved to have them played with and sucked. Sucking really turned this one on. As I usually do, I gave her a small glass of wine to show so we could talk a little bit to find out a few things about her. She completed her studies and had a job doing some tourism business. Her photo was again accurate. Her name was Ekaterina. She spoke decent English. This one truly enjoyed BBBJ and loved to rock and roll cowgirl and reverse cowgirl. She loved to suck and also to lick and suck my balls. She loved keeping me hard. She had shoulder length blonde hair and another set of great legs. Not as tall as the first, but did thoroughly enjoy doggie and modified doggie where I was able to get very deep inside. I would rate her easily a 7+ to 8 in looks and a sold 8-8+ in the sack. I have kept each of their numbers for future consideration.

Having had 2 excellent lays, I thought to finish off the night I needed to visit RP to see what was going on for Friday night. I rested some and then decided to catch a cab to RP around 1 AM. Was glad to see the place hopping. What I thought was interesting was that while the place was packed with many a hot women, I could only recognize about 10 women from my last trip in June. Nice to know they have a healthy turnover. Again I thought I'd lay back and just watch the women and the dancing for a good bit. Had not even had a chance to order a Ukrainian beer before 2 hotties were hitting me up to leave. Again nice to be wanted immediately. This Friday night was again another target rich environment. I stayed back by the bar and just observed the action. I quickly began to catalog the available action and rank ordered what was there. As the girls passed by and tried to gain my eye contact I would assess and rank order them for future possible consideration. I clearly was not in any hurry since I had been with 2 blondes earlier, so I sat there and enjoyed the view and the many attempted moves by the women to gain my attention. It was a great cat and mouse game which many times we men do not get to enjoy, so what the Hell, I leaned back and just enjoyed the competition. As usual all started at $300 for a short time, then when they see I am not considering it, quickly move to $200. I tell them still way too high. With my game plan to hang around and enjoy my beer and the women, I was able to rank order many women with the plan to finally negotiate with what I determined to be the best piece of ass in the place. I ranked ordered them based on initial looks, rack, legs.. And of course how well we talked and if she was a good negotiator.. If she wasn't willing to banter and discuss her fees then she probably was not much of a lay.

I had several ranked high as I made it thru beer #1 and proceeded to order #2. I do not offer to buy a drink until I see some chemistry and that she is negotiating and where we have come close to sealing an offer. So many want you to buy a drink and then when you say no to $300. The 200. Then move on.. Ah the art of negotiating. As long as the crowd is there and the competition is present, they will come down in due time.

I finally decided my top 5 and said ok, now which one to take home.. There was this tall blonde, she looked to be nearly 6' tall. Blonde, blue eyes, nice rack and from what I could tell thru the jeans she was wearing.. Legs to die for. She was in my Top 5 from when I first saw her earlier but she seemed to have a lot of offers from several guys.. But she continued to hang around.. Then she came by and stood near me to order another drink.. We struck up a conversation, but I pretended to not be interested. This seemed to intrigue her since she clearly was the hottest thing in the place.. Even better looking up close next to me, great looking, blue eyes and a nice looking rack. She said she was free and I said ok, what was she looking for..$300. Then $200.. I asked for how long. She said till morning.7 or 8 AM. I said I might be interested but for $150.. And multiple times. She said not for that amount. So I said thanks then. She decided to walk around the place and I thought (maybe she was worth the fucks) but held my ground.. While I sat and declined a few others she kept looking at me as she scopede the other men in the place. Needless to say.. She proceeded back to being next to me. Struck up much another conversation and after awhile we mutually decided we could accept the $150 but maybe I would give her taxi fare.. While we talked she asked the bartender for another champagne and while I offered to pay for it. The bartender gave it to her on the house.. My luck.. After we finished our drinks I had her commandeer a taxi for 100 grivna to my place.. This girl was so hot.. We had a glass oif wine at my place. Even after she took her heels off she was 178cm, very nice and had some beautiful great looking legs. This girl had modeled before and her body showed you why. I easily rated her a 9 and her performance in bed was if not a 10 easily a 9+.. Her name was Irina.

This girl pretty much wore me out. But I am happy to say I know I wore her out. Whiel she started out CBJ, as the night wore on, she gave some of the best BBBJs (gave multiple one) I've ever had. This girl went nuts sucking my dick, my balls, was a great kisser (DFK) a true GFE, thoroughly enjoyed cowgirl and reverse cowgirl. I just love it when they have multiple orgasms just when I am getting started. Since I had come several times earlier in the night, I was rock hard buyt no where near to coming. I had this girl in such rapture in missionary going slow and fast that between the "Da, Da, DA" I got many a scream to please fuck me, please fuck me harder.. She was so short of breathe that when I fucked her doggie and the did mmodified doggie and pushed her to the mattress to really get in deep, gasping and her hair covering her face I slowed back and moved her hair to make sure she could breathe before I finished off inside her. All in we smoked those sheet so much that I actually felt like I was getting mattress/sheet burns.. Mu caliente..

We both rolled over in a heat of passion and just lay there for quite a while. We passed out for a bit of sleep and then decided we would go for it again. While we were very tired from our first session, the second was just as great.. We then fell asleep.. She very hard. As I could tell from her deep breathing.. We slept till 10 AM and before she got up to go we went for a quick (as compared to rounds 1 &2) session. I could tell she was completely exhausted. She left after 11AM. Not bad three sessions and she was with me for 8 hours.. Clearly one of the 2 best lays I have had in Kiev. Before she left she gave me her number.. Thought I might go for it again before I left but ran out of time, but will surely see her next trip. After she left I cleaned up and then went back to sleep for a few hours..

Next report. The hunt for freebies..

The Hunter

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[QUOTE=Telos]As of last week it is $300 until 5AM.

If you go early in the day I think its $400 until 5AM.

Entrance is 100h (they just raised it a few weeks ago), table dances are 50h, private dances are 200h and beer is 35h.[/QUOTE]
I was charged me 50 h for beer on 10 Sept .

Will see how much they will charge in early nov.