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Hoboken, talk to the english papasan at bodyshop if you really feel aggrieved. (daddy robbie). I've barfined twice from there (absolutely amazing girl) and have had nothing but good service from there (but I realise experiences can vary on a case by case basis).

Try a different approach. Maybe being charming, humorous, and opening your wallet and buying a coupe of LD. See if it works better. The results will certainly be more memorable. Who has the time to get annoyed/complain in AC. Save that for when you're back home. Peace out.

My next trip is coming up in May. Can't wait to hit ground zero.

[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]Hi guys,
I will have 1 week at the beginning of July in the Philippines. I know it will be rainy season, but my main interest is not sightseeing, so it's okay. I want to spend the week mongering between Angeles City & Manila, so how many days should I spend in each? Should it be 50/50?

Thanks,
Al[/QUOTE]

I would over book your hotel stay in Manila by a few days in case you want to stay on there, and book yourself into an AC hotel early in case you want to leave Manila early. I do this all the time. Just remember to either go on line to adjust your bookings, or call the hotel with your changes. There's fun to be had in both locations, but if you're not use to big cities, big city attitudes, and dealing with big city people who will take advantage of you if you allow them to, then I suggest you go to AC, especially if your traveling without a wingman. One week is not a lot of time. AC will give you more bang for your buck.

YM

Just came back from an 11 day stay in AC. The rundown:

I only paid four long-time barfines the whole trip. The remaining girls were short-time girls, hotel/restaurant waitresses, online hookups, etc. Of the four LT BF's, I'd BF'd three of them before. Two of them—girls that I already knew—were both one-round only. One stayed all night, but had to go to hygiene the next morning. The other left after an hour or so because her sister was locked out of their apartment or something. Very unusual, as I'd BF'd her twice before and she was always quite eager to please. So those of you guys who say, “How can I have just been unlucky with runners so many times in a row?” Well, it's quite easy, actually. Both of these one-rounders are still on my A-list.

The third girl that I'd BF'd before was a 3-rounder. In fact she probably would have stayed longer, but I sent her packing around noon or so because I had another appointment.

The fourth girl—my only new barfine of the trip—stayed for two rounds, but was asking after the first what time she could go home. I asked her when she wanted to go home, and I got the usual “Up to you.” But I could tell she wanted to go soon. So after a brief rest watching some TV, we went for round 2, after which I told her she could leave. Because of her attitude I wasn't even interested in a round 3 the next morning. She was never rude, but I knew she wanted to be elsewhere.

The rest of the trip was mostly cell phone dates—internet girls, girls on support, girls between jobs, waitresses (restaurant waitresses are my new favorite sport). A couple of short-times here and there to fill any pressing needs.

My favorite story of the trip happened on my last full day in town. I had stopped at a Perimeter Bar just to have a bottle of water while I was out running errands and was waiting for a girl to text me to decide my next move. A nearby customer was sitting and drinking with a couple of waitresses. One of them kept looking over at me. I tried to ignore it as I don't like to interfere when a guy is having a good time. When he went to the CR, she came over, introduced herself, and gave me her phone number. I went to a neighboring bar and sent her a text. Afterward I walked back to my room, and got a text from her not 2 minutes later, asking if she could come over. Well of course she could! She left the bar (on her dinner break, I guess), hopped on a trike, came to my room, showed me a good time, then went back to the bar. I gave her the usual 500 pesos short time rate, plus 100 for trikes, plus 100 hazard pay since she really was doing a sneakout. Normally I would never do a blatant sneakout like that, but it was her idea, heh. Her reason? “I was horny,” she said. Damn I love this town. She must have been happy with the arrangement, as I stopped by to say hi on my way out of town the next day, and we exchanged Yahoo ID's.

One thing I'm curious about: which bar owner bribed the city officials to put that red smudge on the 2010 ID's as camouflage? I am not joking, by the way. I'm convinced that's how it happened. I used to be able to spot the V from quite a distance. Now with the red smudge you have to get a lot closer and be a lot more obvious about it.

I am an experienced Latin American (mostly Rio de Janeiro) monger thinking about coming to AC. I like Rio but it has gotten outrageously expensive of late so I am exploring other options. I notice that there are some posters in the PI sections that are also in the Rio section so this is a good sign. From what I have read I like the way the GFE is in PI (similar to Rio I assume) and I have always found the Filipinas to be quite attractive. I have been reading all of the PI forums here for the last 2 months and read the Philippines FAQ but still have some questions.

What is up with the cherry girls? Are they the ones with the "V" on their ID cards? Do they do BJ, etc? I must admit that I would like to see an intact hymen up close.

What is the deal with BF? Does that include a payment to the girl or is her payment totally separate?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Hoboken56]Sorry for not being more explicit. The previous three queries were to different girls. Most girls have a ST policy, no matter how studly looking you are. And oft times it was impossible to see if they've had babies, even wearing body-paint or bikinis. Amazing bodies.

But, the bottom line is: if her intention was to run after a quickie session, then doesn't that make her the scammer? And customers should just chalk it up to "bad rapport"?[/QUOTE]

You know what man? I would be willing to bet she said to herself "Im not sure about this but Ill give this guy a try". There was no conspiracy to run. And your assertion about ST is wrong as well.

Others have said it already...maybe PI isnt for you. Pinays dont respond well to being treated like a business deal. At all. LOS or Czech Republic might be more your style. Dont expect any GFE though.

[QUOTE=Hoboken56]Maybe, but it is simple enough to go back on a different day to check things out, if I were to be so inclined. IF.

Sure, with her looks and the umpteen bars in AC, getting another job would be dead simple. But maybe not as lucrative as at Tropix. I was told that body paint girls get 340P a day! Regular bikini dancers and waitresses I think were 120 or 160/day. Same BF of 1350P.

Neither here nor there, but found out she was sending home 6, 000P a month, plus surely enough left over to support herself. Oh yeah, she commented that she had a laptop too.[/QUOTE]This in itself should tell you something. If the girl is able to do all that then she is an earner. For herself and the BAR. Now if you are the manager are you going to lose money for the bar. Also the mamasan get paid based upon the girls earnings So the mamasan would be losing money. Now do you really think they are going to loose money for your petty little. "I didn't get it 3 times"

FYI. Every bar that does cultural/Spotlight dancers pays the same and has the same pay structure on fields basically. So if she is earning that at Tropix. She can easily move to any of the DHG bars and continue making the same, and they will be more than happy to welcome an earner.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]This in itself should tell you something. If the girl is able to do all that then she is an earner. For herself and the BAR. Now if you are the manager are you going to lose money for the bar. Also the mamasan get paid based upon the girls earnings So the mamasan would be losing money. Now do you really think they are going to loose money for your petty little. "I didn't get it 3 times"

FYI. Every bar that does cultural/Spotlight dancers pays the same and has the same pay structure on fields basically. So if she is earning that at Tropix. She can easily move to any of the DHG bars and continue making the same, and they will be more than happy to welcome an earner.[/QUOTE]You're right. I guess from the bar's point of view, she's an earner. But this is getting to low season and seems to me Tropix is over staffed with talents. So management just might be happy to save 340P a day, and in anycase, they would still get their money from me as I'd have BF another from there.

But your statement that all spotlight/body paint dancers on Fields are at the same BF level. Not so at Tropix. The body paint girls go for the same basic 1350 as regular dancers, waitress etc.

But actually, I'm not all that worked up over the issue, despite what some on the board thinks. And strictly speaking, "indefinite" suspension means exactly that. 1 day, 1 week, or 1 month, who on earth knows beyond management!

And before I leave the topic of settling all details with the mamasan before exiting the bar. At Tropix it happens that way. Mamasan comes around to collect direct for her girl. Same I believe at Agasaya, or however that is spelled.

And, another point, in chit chatting with other bar girls, they all said it should be understood with the mamasan before leaving the bar, to make sure the girl doesn't pull a fast one later.

And onto to the next post with a happier ending. in spades!

[QUOTE=Guy Wif Attitude]Hoboken, talk to the english papasan at bodyshop if you really feel aggrieved. (daddy robbie). I've barfined twice from there (absolutely amazing girl) and have had nothing but good service from there (but I realise experiences can vary on a case by case basis).

Try a different approach. Maybe being charming, humorous, and opening your wallet and buying a coupe of LD. See if it works better. The results will certainly be more memorable. Who has the time to get annoyed/complain in AC. Save that for when you're back home. Peace out.

My next trip is coming up in May. Can't wait to hit ground zero.[/QUOTE]Actually I hadn't gone back to Body Shop the next day gunning for the runner. I had gone back there at 2pm because a previous BF asked to be picked up then. See, quite a few of my BFs do like me enough for repeats.

It was while I was exiting the bar that the runner entered. The look of fear on her face was priceless. Begged me not to tell mamasan as she'd be fined. Haha, I played along and said, no way, I am going to go complain. Turned right around and went back in to talk with mamasan! A waste of time with this particular mamasan.

So ends my visits to BodyShop. Such a shame as the BF I had previously and went back for was the sweetest simplest girl ever. And when was the last time any punter had his tip of 500P declined the next morning? Most graciously because her reason was she wasn't feeling well and could only make me "happy" twice. And no, it wasn't a show.

Want to know how much more honorable she was? I had asked her to rearrange her day-off so I could take her to the movies. And yes! I would pay the full BF direct to her, plus tip. So no bar cuts. Come the day of her rearranged day-off and our movie date, she chickened out from a "sneakout" and asked me to go to the bar to pay for her officially. I told her that was silly, especially as it was her day off! So, we agreed to postpone our movie date till a day when she worked. Moneywise it was all exactly the same to me. I was just trying to help her maximise her potential. And what is wrong with that?

[QUOTE=Matius]Take this report to most reputable bars prior to doing any business and suggest they will be eager to cross you off their list as well. I also suggest you select a different venue than Angeles, this approach if at all successful, will only get you the most hard core, well worn sluts that Angeles has to offer. Too cheap to buy a ladies drink without having the waitress conduct an interview, taking witnesses to the terms of engagement, you've got to be kidding.

Your position is that you entered into a contract of purchase and the terms of the contract were not fullfilled, thus your expectation of punishment to the offending party. Have you ever thought that maybe these girls don't want to spend any time with you, if they go with you, get the job done and get out, because you are such an a..hole. You have no appreciation of the culture of the Philippines, and suggest you are not only the bar's but a girl's worst nightmare of a customer.

This is the "how to" post of not having a good time in Angeles. You treat these exchanges like a business transaction then you will get a business transaction. You don't even understand that in asking about the tip, unless it was signficant, and mean more than 500 p, she was not going to spend another minute with you. The girl was not put on suspension, and yes all the girls knew about you, and no it was not your unusual request for a three some, none wanted to go with you. And just maybe your bf for that night wanted a threesome, just so she would not have to be alone with you, or at least f..k you three times in one night.

A gentleman, with the right attitude and some meager home training in manners, will have trouble getting most of the girls to leave in the morning. You will of course take offense by this response, but anyone with experience in this city knows what you did just does not work here. You'll get laid by some girls, but that will be about all. Look in the mirror if you want to know what the problem is.[/QUOTE]Matius! A mite over the top with your venom ain't it? It is most definitely okay to disagree with what you perceive as my modius operandi from a single post, but to call the poster an a. Hole?

Let me just clear up a few points and move on.

Quite a few of my BFs are repeats. And even if I don't BF them again, whenrever I go to their bar, they'd stop by, just to say hello, and immediately move on with no expectations of a drink. Does that sound like they had a bad experience with me? Maybe to you, I'm sure.

Now, about perhaps the BF wanting not to be alone with me by getting a 3-some. Hardly. Every suggestion for a 3-some was always at my instigations. And besides which, this was the second time we'd been together, and each time was a LT with multiple sessions. Yeah, more than 3, cause we clicked!

And for that night, in the end we got another previous BF who I knew was very malibog and had previously expressed an interest to try fooling around with another girl for the first time. So, shot down your assertion that I'm an a. Hole that any Pinay would steer clear of.

Ah, but must be the karma from your diatribe that brought along my next date.

Was in a Perimeter Road bar. Yeah yeah, shot down twice by one who would stay LT till 11pm. Ok, I'll go for that. But she cooled my jets by saying she wasn't in the boomboom mood that day. Ok, on to the next interview. This second one says her LT is till 9pm. And this at about 4pm in the afternoon.

Owner or maybe was the manager was an Aussie, seated next to me doing paperwork, so I asked him, conversationally, what is the definition of LT? It is up to you and the girl he says, but if you want LT, to be very sure the girl agrees to that before leaving the bar.

So, there! A local in the biz tells me I need to have a definite agreement. I offered that of the 2 girls I asked, I didn't have much success. No, wassn't a complaint in the least. Just chit chat between guys. He empathizes and says he has the same problem with the interview process too, but what to do?

Hey hey, Karma to the rescue. Points out a girl, indicating she might be agreeable to LT. How he knew or why he said it of her, I still can't figure out, but the outcome was Olympic Gold!

19yr old, worked 2 months, first month as a cherry girl and lost it to an over aggressive white guy. Since then haven't gone out. Woo hoo! Pay dirt. Slim and a flat tummy.

I had my work cut out getting her to agree to her first BF after losing her cherry, most unpleasantly. But it was definitely worth it.

Back at the hotel she was hot to go. Tight as anyone who had just been screwed once before would B. And you know what? A non-stop lover. 3 rounds? Hell, that was in the first hour, and her first orgasms. After which she just couldn't get enough.

Sopping wet with just tit sucking. And even I can't figure out how many times we screwed. She gave upo counting her orgasms too.

A match made in heaven. Yeah, thanks for the bad vibes mate! There is a gawd afterall. And sent her back at noon to change, cause I'll be at her bar at 2pm to get her again! She grinned from ear to ear, telling me not to be late!

I'll post a pix of her bod if I can figure this system out. And she sure ain't "the most hard core, well worn sluts that Angeles has to offer". And ya know what? None of my AC barfines fall into the hardcore category. Those just plain turn me off!

And being a cheapskate? When was the last time you walked any girl that you had only just met hours ago into the dentist and shelled out 8, 000P because if I hadn't, her beautiful pearly whites wouldn't be so in afew years?

And you know? Just 4 hours after meeting that same freebie (sister of an old dancer friend sent up to look after me), she asked if I'd pay for her haircut! All because I happened to ask her to tie-up her hair and get it off her face. Off went the waist length hair to a very fashionable short short just below the ears cut. Let me tell you, I have walked along Fields and SM Clark with many a bargirl. Nobody bothered a second glance. With this one, everybody looked! From locals to punters. And you think I attract only hard core worn out sluts? You should be so lucky as me, even for a day!

And how many girls say yes to shaving? I had 3 of them in 7 weeks. And one for the very first time. Just with a plain query.

And yes, I must be an a. Hole, cause 2 gave up their back cherries willingly.

I'd write more, but damn, I'm late for my second date with my malibog ex-cherry!

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[QUOTE=Hoboken56]. . . so I asked him, conversationally, what is the definition of LT?[/QUOTE]In my experience few if any truly experienced AC mongers even bother with this whole ST/LT negotiation business. Just buy them out and see where it goes. Sort of like, uh, real life. If she really wants to go before morning, for whatever reason, you let her. If you decide you don't need her around till morning, you toss her out. If she's willing to stay and you want to have her, then you keep her. Since you don't know beforehand which one of those it's going to be, what's the point of worrying about it?

That said, it does seem a lot more AC girls want to leave early compared to even a couple years ago. (I'm not using the word 'runner' because they've mostly been nice about it, and probably would have been willing to stay if I'd insisted.) This is probably a natural evolution, just as we saw in Thailand starting about 15 years ago.

My feeling is, take the girl and just enjoy whatever happens. She leaves before you've had your fill? Find another. The barfines aren't exactly financially crippling.

[QUOTE=Hoboken56]It was while I was exiting the bar that the runner entered. The look of fear on her face was priceless. Begged me not to tell mamasan as she'd be fined. Haha, I played along and said, no way, I am going to go complain. Turned right around and went back in to talk with mamasan! A waste of time with this particular mamasan.

So ends my visits to BodyShop.[/QUOTE]
Body Shop also recently raised their barfine price from 1350 to 1500 pesos, and did not give a single peso of the 150P increase to the girls. Bad form.

[QUOTE=Betong]

That said, it does seem a lot more AC girls want to leave early compared to even a couple years ago. (I'm not using the word 'runner' because they've mostly been nice about it, and probably would have been willing to stay if I'd insisted.) This is probably a natural evolution, just as we saw in Thailand starting about 15 years ago.

My feeling is, take the girl and just enjoy whatever happens. She leaves before you've had your fill? Find another. The barfines aren't exactly financially crippling.[/QUOTE]

I do not share your galant and generous attitude against runners. It is not financial aspect for me either but I really enjoy having a good treatment for my morning woody. More so when having carefully build hangover. That said I do not stop them leaving because mood has already been ruined and I do not have need for second fridgerator in my hotel room.

So we arrive back in AC from Thailan after midnight on Jan 27th. We all check back into the Lewis Grand, take showers and go our separate ways. I haven’t let any of the girls know I’m in town again, so I head to Sky Trax disco to see what I can scoop up. I text one of my local homies and tell him I’m at the club. He shows up with two girls in tow and lets me know the second one is available and game for whatever. Cute girl, but her attitude was less than desirable. I lost interest in her within an hour and started looking around the club for someone new.

I saw Girl #22 on the dance floor with a few of her friends. Standing only 4’10” at best, slim, and very cute, my gaze kept going back to her. When she came off the dance floor a few songs later, I made my way over towards her and ordered another beer so I could get a closer look. She was very nice indeed. Once I got her attention I raised my beer and point to the dance floor. She met me there and we danced for several sets, really getting into it together until I soaked with sweat.

Back at her table we exchanged numbers. I prefer to get girls numbers and conduct all business through text messages while in discos because the noise level in these places doesn’t allow for any kind of decent conversation. Sometimes this doesn’t work because the girl has no phone, or no load. She had both, so several texts later I confirmed she was interested and willing to hang out with me at the Lewis later. We drink and dance a bit more and then head for the hotel.

Girl# 22 is very small and very enthusiastic. She moved around on the bed like an 80lb wrestler, taking everything I gave her. She was very fun. We slept hard and fitfully afterwards. We awoke to my friend banging on my door at 4pm. I forgot we were supposed to go to the gym together. I was interested in another session with #22, who I found out worked at club
La Pasha, but I had to eat and get to the gym with my friend, so I gave her Peso 1500 for a great time and sent her on her way after she showered. She was so much fun, I knew I would be calling her again anyway.

YM

[QUOTE=Matius]I understand what you are saying, but you are speaking as a guest to Angeles.

In regards to the braindead expats who live here, oh that would be me? .[/QUOTE]


Thanks for the further insight. I was just speaking generically of course if one had to pursue our hobby day in and day out for months on end in AC. It's not so much burnout as much as repetition.

Oh, about the braindead expats--hope you realize I was just kidding as the few expats I met in AC (perhaps it was you) were indeed nice and friendly folks and whose company I enjoyed.

Shark

[QUOTE=White Whale]I do not share your galant and generous attitude against runners. It is not financial aspect for me either but I really enjoy having a good treatment for my morning woody. More so when having carefully build hangover. That said I do not stop them leaving because mood has already been ruined and I do not have need for second fridgerator in my hotel room.[/QUOTE]

Most of the time I prevent a runner by asking 3 questions before I BF them 1 do they have hygiene in the morning ( note what day this is cause they only have to go 1 time a week and if you BF them another day you know they are lying out there butts). 2 do they have children mothers fathers sisters brothers aka(Boyfriends or husbands) they need to tend too in the AC area. 3.Are they willing to go on a extended vacation to Bohol PG Subic Bay Boracy or any other place you might want to go and if you BF them for a 3 days a whole week 10 days or longer would they have a problem with leaving the AC area. I sometimes BS them with the promise of a vacation if they treat me right and this will give you the time to know your actually compatible to stay with this girl longer then 1 day anyways LOVE YOUR MONEY GUYS