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[QUOTE=Horntoad]All you have to do is tell them that is not the correct price and tell them you paid them 1800baht last time. They'll relent easily but that is still not my soapie of choice.[/QUOTE]
Yep, I thought it was obvious LOL
No need to be a local, just reading this forum a little bit could have helped
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]2} You seem to assume their are no good looking customers at the bar.[/quote]
I'm not assuming, it's a fact :D
[quote]i go there on occasion.[/QUOTE]
Ooops
[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor]you easily can switch to uncovered FS
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Very unfortunate, but true :(
[QUOTE=Opebo]Whatever the name you call it, it is a reasonable amount. I almost never give more than 100 baht as a tip, and then only with a superstar regular (in that case I give 200 baht).[/QUOTE]
Well, you have been to Tulip adn Barebacked your way there, adn didn't leave a tip higher than 200 thb?? :O
[QUOTE=Ralph Kramden]
Better yet, use the Sky Train and BTS, and save time and money. I haven't used a tuk-tuk or taxi for at several years except to the airport.[/QUOTE]
Really? which station is close to Cupidy?
My guess is none
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Well, you have been to Tulip adn Barebacked your way there, adn didn't leave a tip higher than 200 thb?? :O[/QUOTE]
Fนck no! The visit already cost 2,100 baht.. I was far too financially drained to add any amount to that, no matter how good the service.
[QUOTE=Payforplaybkk]Good looking Thai women? Pulsating music? Vegas style coyote shows? I decided to spend a couple weeks while on business this month in Bangkok to visit the top gentlemen clubs ("G-clubs"). I was intrigued by this very unique concept. Something you won't find on the streets of New York or San Francisco, and also by "the chase" of girls who aren't obsessed with short-time/long-time in the Land of Smiles. After traversing through Soi Cowboy and Nana this was a refreshing change!
OVERALL OBSERVATIONS/THOUGHTS/ADVICE:
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[/QUOTE]Excellent post about the G-Clubs by member Payforplaybkk!!
You can always ask the mamasan/papasan to introduce you only to girls that speak English. If you're not a member and want to have a good time together with the lady of your choice then expect to spend a few thousand Bahts in one evening. And don't forget to tip the toilet-boys 100 Baht each time you visit the toilet. And don't forget to tip the waiters. And don't forget to tip the mamasan or buy a drink for her. And don't forget to tip the girl.
You stated that coyote dancing is minimal in Sopranos. I went here a few times in 2006 and 2007...and I was impressed by the coyote-dancing. In fact the coyote-dancing was the reason why I went there. There were (Friday-nights I think) about 30 beautiful girls dancing on the bar-top. Never seen such dances in any other G-Club nor any other country. Maybe things have changed in the meanwhile at Sopranos.
[QUOTE=Payforplaybkk]After traversing through Soi Cowboy and Nana this was a refreshing change!
OVERALL OBSERVATIONS/THOUGHTS/ADVICE:
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Fantastic. This post should be a sticky somewhere or have its own subforum.
[b] [red]"Just keep aware. If you're too drunk you'll probably regret the final bill." [/red] [/b]~ Payforplaybkk
No truer words were ever spoken.
Simply superb G-Club report Payforplaybkk.
Great work.
Thank you!
[QUOTE=Payforplaybkk]Good looking Thai women? Pulsating music? Vegas style coyote shows? I decided to spend a couple weeks while on business this month in Bangkok to visit the top gentlemen clubs ("G-clubs"). I was intrigued by this very unique concept. Something you won't find on the streets of New York or San Francisco, and also by "the chase" of girls who aren't obsessed with short-time/long-time in the Land of Smiles. After traversing through Soi Cowboy and Nana this was a refreshing change!
OVERALL OBSERVATIONS/THOUGHTS/ADVICE:
1. If you're not familiar with how these places work, the quick 101 is that they are membership clubs that are set up as upscale lounges or clubs. Many have live bands as well as a DJ spinning music. During certain intervals women will also come dancing on stage (the coyote girls). It's quite a party atmosphere, as long as you're not thinking about money! When you enter these places, you'll usually see a good looking mamasan who can speak some English to explain how pricing works. G-clubs are not cheap. Membership plans usually start at 20, 000. 30, 000 baht which gets you a certain number of bottles of alcohol (usually whiskey. Preferred drink in Thailand) or regular drinks (that you can use for beer. My preference) over the course of 1 year (see below for negotiating this). What makes G-clubs different is that you can pay to have a good looking woman sit with you and drink your alcohol, either from your bottle if you bought one or through lady drinks. Most of these clubs have an area where the women sit and you can work with the mamasan to find a woman of your choice. Most places also have hookah for an additional charge if you enjoy this. Opening times are usually 8 or 8:30pm until 2am. Sometimes later.
2. G-clubs are expensive, so if you're someone who counts every baht you probably won't enjoy the experience. The bill can add up fast, especially if you're not a member, through lady drink minimums, non membership fees (e. G. 10% at St. Moritz), etc. So if you don't have a membership and are using this for a night out on the town, be prepared to spend several thousand baht. The cost is more comparable to a nice night out in NYC or London, but by Bangkok standards (especially go-go's) is extremely expensive.
3. G-clubs are great if you want to take business people out in a safer, classier setting, or if you're by yourself and want to enjoy a night out with company. Most ladies you'll see at these clubs are a lot of fun and enjoy drinking and dancing. If you're looking for sex, especially quickly, these are NOT the right venues for you (and I'm a decently good looking, young guy). The women I met were more interested in a good time, but if you're persistent and come multiple times you definitely have a shot with the right girl. If they like you and you come more regularly, your chances definitely improve. But it's work! I don't think it's hard to get cell numbers and many girls will gladly SMS with you to encourage you to come again. I'm not going to give names, but I did find one very sweet, normal, and beautiful woman who I went on several dates with and had quite an interesting and fun romance, albeit short lived. So it's possible, but you really have to have patience and desire to invest in a particular woman. One girl at a G-club did tell me that there are some girls who are looser and easier to go home with, but you have to find this out and perhaps the mamasan could help you. I didn't try, but it's something you could think about.
4. Building on the point above, most of the G-club girls I spoke with work everyday and take 1 day off in a week as a holiday (Sunday is common). Perhaps it's the economy, but these girls definitely have to work to earn money. They usually get a fixed salary per day and then make a % cut from the lady drinks. 35, 000. 45, 000 baht / month is a common range of revenue for these women. Things in Bangkok have definitely slowed down and some nights ladies don't get any customers. The point is that getting to know these women outside of their jobs isn't easy because of their schedules. Many sleep until 2 or 3pm and start working again at 8. If you want to take a girl out of the venue, each place has a different charge. Some will deduct a bottle or two from your membership or a certain number of lady drinks. This gets her out of the venue and that's all (it's not ST/LT like a go-go bar). If a girl likes you and you've seen her a few times, one tip would be to suggest she call in sick or unavailable to her G-club. In most cases the G-club will cut her salary by perhaps 1, 000 baht, much cheaper than taking her out through the venue. Of course she does lose lady drinks through this, so you may want to compensate her for that, but it's an alternative.
5. Looks. In my personal opinion, many of the upscale massage parlor women (e. G. Poseidon, Amsterdam) rival G-club women in looks. So if you want to bed some of the better looking women in Bangkok, I recommend the "SM" category women at Amsterdam or model floor women at Poseidon, and possibly a few from Nataree. At some places (e. G. Caribbean) I was surprised how ordinary many of the women were, at least from my vantage point. The one thing you will see is most G-Club women have light skin, which is considered beautiful in Thailand, even if their faces aren't always the best. Everyone will have their own opinion here of what they find beautiful. Yes, G-Club women are definitely above average. But if you're expecting "hot" you may be a little disappointed. To me they felt like light skinned, massage parlor women with better personalities, and there are some (not many) at Nana/Soi Cowboy who are comparable in looks. If you want to speak to the most attractive women, get there earlier. As one hostess told me, the Japanese get there earlier, such as opening time, and leave earlier, so come early or get there late.
6. My one real disappointment was the level of conversation. And perhaps it was my bad luck and experiences vary. But despite asking for the most fluent and best English speaking women, each one I spoke with was conversationally only OK and you really couldn't talk to her about anything substantive or even beyond the mundane. Now, I'm not looking to ask her thoughts on credit default swaps and AIG, but I did expect a bit more English speaking sophistication, especially since many of these women went to universities in Bangkok. Getting back to point #3 above, if you're looking to get to know a girl and develop a relationship and don't speak Thai, you're probably not going to find someone satisfying at these places. If you do speak Thai then it's a different ballgame. But I just found this too frustrating. So my advice is DON'T worry about English speaking ability too much, especially if you're going to just have a good time. It may limit the field too much.
7. It's not easy switching women at these places. It may depend how shy you are. First, the drink minimums to talk to a woman make switching expensive. Secondly, Thai women are very sensitive about "saving face" and this needs to be done delicately. Thirdly, these women do gossip, especially if they feel a guy is trying to really score among the women there. At the one venue where I met the girl who I hit it off with outside, it would be hard to return because all the women know about me and my G-club girl said they all think I'm her boyfriend.
SPECIFIC ADVICE ON COSTS:
1. If you're visiting a G-club with the thought of getting a membership, I recommend having a few drinks as a trial first. Most places will let you buy a bottle of whiskey for around 3, 000 baht or drinks for 500 baht each. Most will also apply your bill towards membership, so if you have a rockin' and expensive time it may make sense at the end of the night to get the membership. Getting a bottle of whiskey, especially if you're with other people, is probably the most economical.
2. In general, I thought G-clubs tried to be transparent about costs, with some asking you to personally sign each bill which they showed you at the end so you knew where the costs came from.
3. That said, it can get very confusing to calculate lady drink costs. Most places had a minimum number of lady drinks (typically 3) when you sit down with a girl, and you pay more as a non-member. In a loud club with a shaky English speaking mamasan it may be difficult to calculate. Also, 40/45 minutes is usually the reset for the next round of lady drinks, and you're on your own to figure out time. Nobody is going to tell you that the next set of lady drinks have been added. I recommend you ask the mamasan to write down on a napkin the costs at the outset so you can clearly see and understand. Make a mental note of the time you started the conversation.
4. Also be aware of ways that your bill gets padded. At one place had a couple women ask if they could buy a drink on my tab when I was with someone else. Very annoying. Also, it seemed like some places really watered down lady drinks, or for beer they wouldn't pour the entire bottle for the lady. I started to ask that any beer bottle remainders stayed with me so I could see what was left! Also, some girls you're with will order shots on your tab which is a quick way to run up the bill. Just keep aware. If you're too drunk you'll probably regret the final bill. Finally, as a non-member you pay extra for mixers with your whiskey/vodka. This can really add up quickly. Mixers are often 80. 100 baht each.
5. You can absolutely bargain, but it seemed that the minimums for membership are harder to move. Some places are more amenable to extending membership from 1 year to 2 years, changing the drink allowance if you are not into whiskey, and throwing in a few extras like karaoke rooms which are sometimes 1, 000 to 1, 500 baht for a night of privacy. Think about how you like to party to get the most value.
THOUGHTS ABOUT SPECIFIC VENUES: Lady drink costs are ballpark same in most venues, and I didn't get or remember exact pricing everywhere. I visited St. Moritz and Soprano multiple times, while each other place once. Your experience may vary depending on the night you visit and the mamasan you speak with.
1. ST. MORITZ:
+ Impressive and fancy theater like party atmosphere with large stage for coyote dancing
+ Awesome shows and musical performances. There is one woman singer who is absolutely stunning.
+/- Friendly mamasans (ask for Rabbit), but more limited English speaking which made understanding membership process a bit more difficult.
+ Some of the better looking women work here. Especially a few of the dancers; get here earlier for the more attractive ones, especially on Fri/Sat nights.
+ Along with Soprano one of the nicest bathroom facilities and service. Although a little creepy to get a back massage from a guy when you're taking a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]!
- Cheapest membership is 30, 000 baht and as a non-whiskey drinker, only included 70 drinks (vs. 100 drinks at 20, 000 baht at Pent). As a non-member a night out will easily run you 6-8, 000 baht; there is also a 10% extra non member fee. If you like beer, non-member entrance is 1, 100 baht for 2 beers.
2. SOPRANO:
+ Probably my favorite layout of any G-club. A little smaller and snug, very cool center bar with plenty of couches made it easy to talk or dance anytime.
+ Very friendly service and mamasan (ask for Tik), although like St. Moritz the English was weak and harder to understand how things worked.
+ Easy trial with 500 baht per drink no minimum.
+ Same excellent bathroom facilities as St. Moritz.
+/- 30, 000 baht price is minimum membership. For non-whiskey drinkers you get 100 drinks where 50 are for you and 50 for the lady (better than St. Moritz).
+/- Coyote dancing is minimal, but the live band is quite good and takes requests.
3. CARIBBEAN:
+ Large venue with huge dancing stages; the dim lighting and setup looked very similar to "Bangkok Dangerous" movie.
+ The shows were probably the best in Bangkok. At times felt I was in Vegas.
+/- Huge number of women to choose from. By far the most of any G-club in Bangkok, but more average women than other places. More quantity than quality. Very few women who spoke any English. The dancers are hotter and probably a better choice here.
+/- No mamasan pressure. In fact, had to really ask to find someone to show me girls to talk to! Mamasan spoke OK English. Seemed more Thai-oriented. + 20, 000 baht membership option.
- Not the easiest G-club to find; my taxi driver struggled to find it (coming from Sukhumvit).
- Only G-club I visited with no beer option; had options for vodka or whiskey bottles that were around 2, 500 baht + 10% non-member fee.
4. THE FORTE:
+ More of an upscale lounge, with nice bars and seating everywhere, including the back if you want more privacy and quiet; felt a bit smaller than other venues (more comparable to Soprano).
+ A lot of available women on the night I went. They were all around the bar area so easy to look at; good quality.
+ Cheapest trial of any G-club, just 275 baht for a beer with no minimum! Hooray!
+/- No mamasan pressure, and had to ask to find one. Felt more Thai friendly than other places; asked a not very friendly mamasan which girl spoke English and she pointed to 1 relatively unattractive one only. Mamasan didn't seem interested in me and didn't ask about membership.
- Like Soprano, coyote shows are minimal, but here the live band on night I went wasn't that great (many slow Thai songs).
5. THE PENT:
+ Very friendly and good English speaking mamasans. Helped me find the right girl to speak with and explained the membership process very clearly. Probably the best mamasans I encountered (ask for Nadia. She's helpful and beautiful).
+ Lowest membership is 20, 000 baht and provides better value for drinks than other places (as a beer drinker, I think you get 100).
+ Separate lounge and dance room allows you to talk longer if you want. At some other places there is one room primarily and it can get very loud and difficult to chat as the night goes on.
- Much more limited selection of hostess girls and coyotes. Although a few were among the most stunning I have seen in BKK (but not surprisingly were taken when I had arrived).
- Coyote dancing stage is pretty weak and again with limited numbers of dancers. Significant downside to this venue.
6. THE RESORT:
+ Went on a special models night, so the place was absolutely jammed with a very lively atmosphere.
+ Perhaps due to the special night, just walked in and had no mamasan contact. When I went to buy a beer, paid 500 baht as a non-member but there was no other requirement which made the trial much cheaper! Cheapest membership is 20, 000 baht.
+ Like St. Moritz, thought the women were definitely more attractive than other venues.
+ Impressive stage layout and coyote dancing.
- Bathroom facilities were quite subpar compared to other G-clubs.
- Found it more difficult as a non-Thai speaker to understand how this place worked; mamasan did not ask about membership.
OVERALL RECOMMENDATION:
G-clubs are a very interesting experience, but you have to decide for yourself based on the above if they're for you. Don't go if you're looking to definitely score or if money is an issue. But it's definitely worth trying out at least once. Each place has it's own style. My favorite two places to really let loose and party for a night would be St. Moritz and Soprano. But these are also the most expensive. I have trouble recommending The Pent because of the limited number of women. Caribbean is worth going for the shows alone. The Forte is a good choice (esp. If you speak some Thai) since it's in RCA where there are other party venues within walking distance and for the cheap trial options.
I'd be happy to answer any further questions!
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]I have an addendum to this report tonight. I visited St. Moritz to finally buy a membership, after spending 20, 000 baht on 4 separate visits. I was very disappointed. The staff negotiated with me 98 drinks for 30, 000 baht, better than the 70 drinks I originally was quoted. I was intrigued, especially when they agreed to 2 years membership. Just as I was about to offer my credit card, the staff returns and says the manager nixed the deal, and offered only 66 drinks, lower than the 70! I fought hard to speak with the manager, but was told he was "too busy" to chat. The mamasan that I had really liked here, Rabbit, was completely unhelpful. To make it worse, they mentioned that tonight was a special night where I had to buy a membership or buy a bottle for 5, 000 baht (normally 3, 000)! Of course when I first entered there was no such mention, and I had my usual 2 beers for 1, 100. I was completely disgusted by this and left. I will not be returning to St. Moritz. I still think it's a fun place to party, but the management's attitude and high costs don't make this place worth it compared to better and cheaper options, especially in this economy.
I returned to Caribbean tonight and had a blast and ended up buying a membership here. Not a hard liquor drinker, but 12 bottles of vodka with unlimited mixers for 20, 000 baht with a 2 year membership is a great deal. There are aspects of Caribbean that I still find hard to understand. Such as lady drinks. But I will follow up with you guys to get more information. As I mentioned before, the dancers at Caribbean are the way to go and I did quite well tonight with that choice.
Again, happy to answer questions or help anyone who wants to venture into the G-club world. BTW, someone asked about Soprano. I believe they have changed their coyote dances from the past. Now it's just a very normal, and boring, dance on the bar for a short period of time. Nothing beyond the ordinary, and far from the shows you'll see at Caribbean or The Resort.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Payforplaybkk]Good looking Thai women? [/QUOTE]
Excellent and remarkebal post.
I made the experience that it's not so easy to find a place in Thailand were pretty girls are granted. In the Philis or Indonesia, there are places were you can find a lot of really pretty girls in one bar or club. In Thaland it's much more spread.
One can find the most beautiful girl in a beer bar, or disco and not in a high scale gogo. Also, the price can be cheap for a pretty one and expensive for a not so pretty one.
It's hit and miss. But, maybe that's the fun in Thailand...
In Makati or Jakarta it's easy to find a stunner, for a price of course. In Thailand not, at least if you are looking for curvy girls.
Pretty spinner one can find at Rainbow 4, but real good looking, tall, voluptious girls are seldom and often enough LB.
In the past, while in Bangkok, I could go mongering just at night time.
My next trip on May will be the opposite, no time at night but lots of free time during morning/afternoon.
Even if it sounds like a stupid question. What time GoGo bars actually open?
Is it possible to go to Nana or Soi Cowboy at 3 or 4 pm? There will be any girls at all inside?
About freelancer how's the situation at morning or early afternoon? What time could it be worth going to places like Gulliver or the Beergarden? (never been there before actually)
And could I find any streetwalker before night along Sukumvit?
Also if you could suggest a short time hotel in the area it would be nice
Thanks a lot!
Had some time in BKK last month. Went to Sar of Light in Patpong around noon on a week day. There were about 15 medium looking Thai gals sitting outside chatting to each other when I walked up. I picked a nice looking 7 and asked if she spoke english, and she shook her head no. I looked around and three others said they spoke english. After a short discussion I picked the one with the best English skills, and she followed me inside. I bought her a lady drink and a beer for my self. About 200bt. She agreed to a BBBJ for 700bt (us $20). I explained what I wanted and she had a hard time figuering it out, but had an idea I was not the average 20 min. Deal. Went in the little bathroom and she started a pretty good slow deep BJ (with some head holding and direction by me). Anorher gal came in and wanted to join in for another 500bt. So I agreed, and played swicth back and forth between one on my dick and the other on my balls. After about 10 min. I asked the english speaker to send away the 500bt joiner and get another. They both left. A couple of minutes later my english organizer came back with another 500 bt assistant. I had the new gal give me her best BJ for about 3 or 4 min.
Then I sent my english speaking helper out for another 500 bt cocksucker. With a short break between gals and some fingering and groping on my part I blew a load that I would have been proud of 20 years ago into the mouth of the 8th assistant. I gave my English speaker 1000 bt and the other eight 500bt each for 5000 total. Three of the 8 assistants spoke pretty good english.
I went outside and asked the best english speaker with the best oral skills to have a lady drink. I make a deal to meet her and one of the gals who gave the best demo to meet me at the Starbucks at 10am the next morning. They both showed up at 10 sharp and agreed to all day for 1500bt each. Went back to my hotel for a couple of hours. The one who spoke english was great at getting the other to do just what I like. We went out for lunch and came back for hanging arount the room doing all the little fantasy shit I have been dreaming up for years. They left about 5pm. I went out for a few beers and wandered around until 11pm, and went back to the hotel for some sleep. Went back to Starbucks the next morning and met up with my two new best friends for another day doing anything I could dream up. As they got to know I was honest, friendly, and not mean or a danger in any way, they started to show me around a little and explain something about BKK and Thailand. After three days I said goodbye and headed for Chaing Mai. When I can't sleep because of some business shit running thru my head, I just re-run my little 4 day trip over and over in my mind. Have to do it again. Already thinking of some little improvements for the next adventure.
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[QUOTE=Barko]Fantastic. This post should be a sticky somewhere or have its own subforum. [/QUOTE]
Why? isn't it enough to put it as a Report of Distinction?
[QUOTE=DG69]...... but real good looking, tall, voluptious girls are seldom and often enough LB.[/QUOTE]Why would you go looking for tall girls in Thailand? Thats like looking for water in Sahara. I think a better place would be eastern europe or russia...for the tall girls I mean. Not for the water. That you can find during the monsun in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Normad2020]Et888, I must apologized for not being able to give you their contact numbers as I threw away my Thai prepaid mobile card and did not write their numbers anywhere (precaution in case Home Minister check...).
Anyway, you can easily find them at Beergarden Soi 7 in the late afternoon. I can described them to you as follows:
(1) Daow :- 5'3" with shoulder length hair, slightly plump for a Thai girl, statistics 34B-28/29-32, 25yo)
(2) Nikki :- 5'2" with long straight hair, small build, statistics 32B-24/25-27, 25yo)
Both girls like to stand at the counter on the right as you enter the main door.
Hope that would help.
Cheers
normad2020[/QUOTE]Is good enough to hunt.
Thks