Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2901456]I'm heading to Mexico for a conference next week. I have done seeking many times in Cdmx and I love it.

I've never been to Monterrey before. Considering going. It's not that I don't love Cdmx. I've just been so many times. But I wonder if Monterey is worth going to along 2 axes. One is the Seeking game. Is it a strong pool? The other is I've always had this belief Monterey is just a boring business city. So I'm not sure whether worth visiting.

Anyone know or know another Mexican city really worth its salt (not Tijuana).[/QUOTE]I rotate between the 2 cities. MTY is good but CDMX is way better. MTY takes much more work and time.

[QUOTE=BallsDeep1980;2901402]I was right about something being off. She was basically trying to play me. She asked me to buy her an iphone before we even meet. I said I would do it when I meet her and she insisted and then said she has no reason to be with someone who can't trust her etc blah blah and said bye and removed me as a contact. I video chatted her and she was definitely real, so 90% chance if I had bought it for her I doubt I would have ever met her, but who really knows.[/QUOTE]Yeah it's surprising but some girls will invest in the "deep scam". I believe Blue Moon got in quite deep with a girl texting and then got the "my phone broke" message. I am a little shocked but yeah seem some girls will go to this level.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2901456]I'm heading to Mexico for a conference next week. I have done seeking many times in Cdmx and I love it.

I've never been to Monterrey before. Considering going. It's not that I don't love Cdmx. I've just been so many times. But I wonder if Monterey is worth going to along 2 axes. One is the Seeking game. Is it a strong pool? The other is I've always had this belief Monterey is just a boring business city. So I'm not sure whether worth visiting.

Anyone know or know another Mexican city really worth its salt (not Tijuana).[/QUOTE]Drama Free is the king of Monterrey Seeking. I will poke him and ask him to chime in.

Not that I don't believe you but ask yourself; why would someone I've ever met ask me to take them shopping the first time we meet? The answer is because she thinks she can get more from you than if she just gave you a price. She's betting on the fact that when she bats her eyes and flips her hair you won't say no to some overpriced crap so what should have been a $500 arrangement (or whatever the price is) would turn into a $2-3 k price is right episode.

The fact that she tried to guilt you into think you insulted her because you didn't trust her tells you everything you need to know about her. Move on and be glad you got the experience.

[QUOTE=BallsDeep1980;2901402]I was right about something being off. She was basically trying to play me. She asked me to buy her an iphone before we even meet. I said I would do it when I meet her and she insisted and then said she has no reason to be with someone who can't trust her etc blah blah and said bye and removed me as a contact. I video chatted her and she was definitely real, so 90% chance if I had bought it for her I doubt I would have ever met her, but who really knows.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2901498]Drama Free is the king of Monterrey Seeking. I will poke him and ask him to chime in.[/QUOTE]Chime in Drama Free!

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2900853]I like her company but don't want a relationship.[/QUOTE]What you mean is you do not want a relationship WITH HER.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2900853]She doesn't either and ended her first experience on sa when the guy wanted one.[/QUOTE]She did not want a relationship WITH HIM. And my understanding is that you think because she did not want a relationship with him, you think that she does not want with you.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2900853]I've been seeing a girl from sa for about 2 months now. PPM / allowance didn't come up until we were in bed the second time and when I asked what she expected she said she wasn't looking for money, just casual sex. She is ok going bare as well which is nice.[/QUOTE]I don't think women do that unless they like a guy.

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2900853]We both agreed that if we saw other people we'the use protection but I don't want to bring it up and look possessive.[/QUOTE]I just want to recount. She is fucking you twice a week. You are not paying her. You are paying for things like a BF, going bare, and only seeing each other, and you think you are not in a relationship?

[QUOTE=GoingDumb;2900853]When she was over last week we were talking about dating / sa and I said something she took as an insult about her getting hit on in public. She also asked what I was looking for on sa and if I'the done allowances before. This past weekend she's active on sa again and I'm worried I messed it up by insulting her or if she's feeling shorted about the allowance.I was thinking about taking her on a trip but now I'm not sure. I'the like to know how you guys handle or decide how much to put into this kind of relationship. I know it's not really sugar and more like a fwb but don't know where else to post. have you tried picking up regular girls?[/QUOTE]Do you think that she may be mad because you are not treating her like a "regular girl"? Honestly, you have me confused.

If I am paying a woman, and guys who think they are getting it for free do not get this, that is an insult to the woman. I am telling the woman that I am ONLY interested in them for sex and fun. You can debate the amount but I am telling them I am not interested in them. I am paying them for sex, decent companionship, and to leave right? The reason I am with women is that they make me feel good, and if I feel like you are only going to do that with a leash of money attached to you, it means I do not trust you.

Rarely, I met a woman where I felt comfortable not paying them. IOW, I think you can make me feel good without a money leash attached. I am actually giving a woman a chance to earn my monogamy. Are you going to keep putting out? Are you going to burden me with all your problems of you, your friends, and family? Are you going to be depressed all the time or be upbeat when we are together? Are you going to be perpetually offended? What I am saying when I am here is I am willing to explore a relationship with you but not commit to just you.

The one thing I think that needs to be absolutely clear to women is that they have to EARN a guy's monogamy. Just because she fucked me does not mean I am just with her. Women expect this to be like a default position when they know it goes against man's very nature. IMO giving a woman your monogamy is the most precious gift you can give a woman. And you are giving that away just for bareback sex? While she is on seeking looking for other men? Why? This is where you have painted yourself in the corner. You want bareback sex but really are with a woman you do not want to be monogamous with. You need to wrap it up or accept the risks of going bare and continue to look for other women. That is what you really want.

As far as a "regular woman" goes, there were 10,000+ women within 5 miles of my house that were on seeking, so I don't buy that seeking women are all hookers. I have heard too many "regular women" talk openly about having a SD.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2901284]Sorry, game is definitely involved. [/QUOTE]Not the same "game" -- he was asking about picking up regular girls, with no money involved.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2901284] Yes, everybody pays for pussy one way or another, some pay directly some pay in-directly. [/QUOTE]If I meet a woman at a club (or beach, or bookstore, or tinder, or feeld or whatever), we meet, fuck and never see each other again, how did I pay "indirectly"?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2901456]The other is I've always had this belief Monterey is just a boring business city. So I'm not sure whether worth visiting.

Anyone know or know another Mexican city really worth its salt (not Tijuana).[/QUOTE]Outside of a few cities like Orlando, NYC, or DC, how many things are there for a tourist to do? I remember going to KC and we hit all the tourist spots in a weekend, and a buddy of mine was like, "Well that just about does it. ", and you could say the same of Monterrey. But KC is a great city with good people, great restaurants, and some good looking women just like Monterrey.

But Monterrey is way more modern with younger people, and it is surrounded by green mountains which allows for some great hikes. So there is a natural beauty that KC does not have. It also does not have the cold KC does but it can easily get into the 30's in the winter and 100's in the summer.

CDMX has a better climate but unlike CDMX, you do not have to deal with the pollution and altitude issues. I have a helluva time sleeping in CDMX because of the altitude. From a monger POV, Monterrey has a much bigger strip club, casa, and escort agency scene than CDMX does.

I don't know why it is not being more reported but companies are moving away from China as an industrial base and moving it to the Southern USA and Northern Mexico in droves. This is such a huge ordeal that the only city I can compare Monterrey growth wise to is Austin, and that has caused rents to swell. When I looked at apartment prices three years ago, an apartment in Monterrey was double the price of similar ones in CDMX.

The Cancun region is like Mexico's Orlando. That is where you can spend a month and not do all the touristy things. The women in that area are at USA prices and given how many women from CDMX and Monterrey are willing to go, I think it is best to import them there. The big news there is Tulum has opened its own airport and there is now a train connecting all of the Yucutan peninsula.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2901559]Not the same "game" -- he was asking about picking up regular girls, with no money involved.

If I meet a woman at a club (or beach, or bookstore, or tinder, or feeld or whatever), we meet, fuck and never see each other again, how did I pay "indirectly"?[/QUOTE]Everybody pays, one way or another. You can be in denial all you want. Time is money.

I've never been to Barnes and Noble, met someone I wanted to fuck (let alone her wanting to fuck me), dropped everything and went to my place, her place or a hotel, done the deed and said goodbye with no strings attached. Money is coming out of my pocket somewhere between a and be even if it's a mocha from Starbucks.

I'm with DF on this one. But I'm not with him on the "some luck" comment it takes a lot of fuckin luck. The chances of a really desirable girl (in my eyes) replying, let alone meeting me without expecting some amount of compensation because "her time is valuable," which always makes me lmfao.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2901559]
If I meet a woman at a club (or beach, or bookstore, or tinder, or feeld or whatever), we meet, fuck and never see each other again, how did I pay "indirectly"?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2901569]Everybody pays, one way or another. You can be in denial all you want. Time is money.[/QUOTE]I just don't understand what you mean.

The OP was asking about picking up regular girls, implying that no money payment would be involved. I shared my limited experience on how that worked. I believe it's the way to go if you are looking for a real relationship possibly leading to a family. It's also the way to go if you love the pickup "game. " If you simply like sex, this is not worth it.

Perhaps some guys never had the experience of a horny girl they've never met grabbing them out of the party just to fuck or hooking up from Tinder, so they go around believing that "everybody pays. ".

Many people do not pay for sex. Casual hookups and "vanilla" relationships do not involve money. Guys do get laid off of looks / attractiveness, big dicks, and charisma / game -- this is personal experience not denial.

But I doubt this thread has many people expecting on getting it for free. The SB / SD dynamic involves a much older guy giving something tangible to a much younger woman. Sure there are girls with daddy issues and outliers any time your talking about any subject but they are not "normal".

I think the OP was talking about how to pick up non-pros without using seeking, not necessarily getting it for free. IMO you'd have to be mad to walk into a bar and start chatting up a girl 20-30 yrs younger than you with the intention of eventually having sex without knowing she's at least open to the idea. In which case you're out your precious time, probably a drink, and some food. Trivial expenses for sure but not free.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2901659]I just don't understand what you mean.

The OP was asking about picking up regular girls, implying that no money payment would be involved. I shared my limited experience on how that worked. I believe it's the way to go if you are looking for a real relationship possibly leading to a family. It's also the way to go if you love the pickup "game. " If you simply like sex, this is not worth it.

Perhaps some guys never had the experience of a horny girl they've never met grabbing them out of the party just to fuck or hooking up from Tinder, so they go around believing that "everybody pays. ".

Many people do not pay for sex. Casual hookups and "vanilla" relationships do not involve money. Guys do get laid off of looks / attractiveness, big dicks, and charisma / game -- this is personal experience not denial.[/QUOTE]

Maybe there are some people who do not pay, the 1 percent of men who get all the female attention on the dating apps. Kudos to you if you are one of them. But for the majority of men. They pay in some form. Some say that the freebies are in fact the most expensive girls. Rather than something transactional where everything is agreed on, sex for money. You end up spending many many hours on dates, and hundreds if not thousands of dollars on dates and gifts just for a chance at sex.

Yes, I agree with you that if you want a relationship that may lead to marriage, family kids, paying for sex is not the way to do it. But very few people here on this board want that or rather they don't have that in mind when coming to this board. They just want sex.

[QUOTE=NoBuglyFitches;2901659]I just don't understand what you mean.

The OP was asking about picking up regular girls, implying that no money payment would be involved. I shared my limited experience on how that worked. I believe it's the way to go if you are looking for a real relationship possibly leading to a family. It's also the way to go if you love the pickup "game. " If you simply like sex, this is not worth it.

Perhaps some guys never had the experience of a horny girl they've never met grabbing them out of the party just to fuck or hooking up from Tinder, so they go around believing that "everybody pays. ".

Many people do not pay for sex. Casual hookups and "vanilla" relationships do not involve money. Guys do get laid off of looks / attractiveness, big dicks, and charisma / game -- this is personal experience not denial.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2901668]But very few people here on this board want that or rather they don't have that in mind when coming to this board. They just want sex.[/QUOTE]Agreed. But still, the OP was asking about game for picking up regular girls. I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that his interest was in the game rather than in saving money on sex. So I said this wasn't the right forum for discussing pickup art. Sugar dating is probably good training wheels for a newbie to get comfortable with women and develop his style with an easy audience, but it's not the real thing.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2901668]Maybe there are some people who do not pay, the 1 percent of men who get all the female attention on the dating apps ... You end up spending many many hours on dates, and hundreds if not thousands of dollars on dates and gifts just for a chance at sex. [/QUOTE]Actually it's more like 20% of men on the apps not 1%, but yes it's a buyer's market. You need to find your niche. Spending hours on dates and text game did not count as payment, that's what game is. By analogy, people who enjoy fishing don't count time on the water as work. Many members of this forum willingly spend time and money on dinners and maybe small gifts and enjoy the romantic experience. But there is no need to give gifts and spend much on dates for a chance at sex. Sorry to say, but that's what guys do if they have no game.

Implying that 99% of men pay for sex (and hence 99% of women get paid for sex) would be at odds with how most people see it outside p4 p world.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2901565]Outside of a few cities like Orlando, NYC, or DC, how many things are there for a tourist to do? I remember going to KC and we hit all the tourist spots in a weekend, and a buddy of mine was like, "Well that just about does it. ", and you could say the same of Monterrey. But KC is a great city with good people, great restaurants, and some good looking women just like Monterrey.

But Monterrey is way more modern with younger people, and it is surrounded by green mountains which allows for some great hikes. So there is a natural beauty that KC does not have. It also does not have the cold KC does but it can easily get into the 30's in the winter and 100's in the summer.

CDMX has a better climate but unlike CDMX, you do not have to deal with the pollution and altitude issues. I have a helluva time sleeping in CDMX because of the altitude. From a monger POV, Monterrey has a much bigger strip club, casa, and escort agency scene than CDMX does.

I don't know why it is not being more reported but companies are moving away from China as an industrial base and moving it to the Southern USA and Northern Mexico in droves. This is such a huge ordeal that the only city I can compare Monterrey growth wise to is Austin, and that has caused rents to swell. When I looked at apartment prices three years ago, an apartment in Monterrey was double the price of similar ones in CDMX..[/QUOTE]I guess what I'm asking is, is Monterrey a cool city to visit?

For example Cdmx has so much to offer. Shopping in Polanco, great restaurants everywhere, amazing bars, so many museums. You could spend a lot of time doing great tourist stuff.

Is Monterrey a good city to visit if you wanted to do more than bang girls?