FKK Artemis - Berlin

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0; 1482842]Good thing this is not a generalization.

Please boyze, can we give this stuff a permanent burial. It is.

1 / Completely subjective.

2 / A matter of chemistry between 2 people.

3 / Every nationality has its pros, its GFEs, its strictly business types. Any "trend" is just rubbish, or a function of a lack of mongering experience.

4 / We could say the same idiotic things about mongers.

In any case- all this, and which FKK is the most bestest etc. All belongs in the Lounge.

Now-back to the main business of this thread. Amalya (RU) , the quirky, petit yet supremely well proportioned blond is back after many months of absence, and this is a very welcome development.[/QUOTE]In order to avoid disappointment, may I suggest that Crosby, Stills & Nash from Rocketboy`s Heimort may hold the answer in most FKK and Mongering situations?

"Love The One You're With.

If you're down and confused.

And you don't remember who you're talking to.

Concentration slips away.

Because your baby is so far away.

Well there's a rose in a fisted glove.

And the eagle flies with the dove.

And if you can't be with the one you love, honey.

Love the one you're with.

You got to love the one you're with."

E.

[QUOTE=PussyLiccker; 1484712]Definitely, given that it's the only real club in Berlin, there is no competition. The place charges 80 for entry and 60 per session! From my experience of the girls there, it's not a place for top service (you have to really dig in and look for them) , it's very similar setup as Palace of FRA, but with larger facilities. The types of girls are very similar also (tatoos and professional hooker looks). I'm surprised it's not the same ownership.

I really don't understand why it's the only club there, the owner of GT or ACA should open up a decent club there. Try NRW, the price and the services are how it should be!

Actually Artemis already ruined it by pricing the session at 60e. If another club opens up there, how would you get girls to work for less than 60?[/QUOTE]Agree!

If some one is very sensible at the prices, should go to NRW or other places, like you suggest.

Personally I would prefer having decent food a better bar and an entry fee at 90/100. A bit like at Andiamo, Austria. (at least that's how it was last time I visited).

Ciao

[QUOTE=Kimino;1484915]Personally I would prefer having decent food a better bar and an entry fee at 90/100.[/QUOTE]But I wouldn't say it out loud though. You never know. I think they already increased it in the past.

By the way there seems to be a Swedish girl in Artemis right now, tall, blonde long hair (not very long, towards orange), blue eyes, typical Nordic body so for me the best. My session with her was more than good, boosted by the fact that she is near my ideal of looks in a woman.

[QUOTE=Buck Rogers;1485011]By the way there seems to be a Swedish girl in Artemis right now, tall, blonde long hair (not very long, towards orange), blue eyes, typical Nordic body so for me the best. My session with her was more than good, boosted by the fact that she is near my ideal of looks in a woman.[/QUOTE]Sounds pretty interesting. LOL

[QUOTE=Buck Rogers; 1485011]But I wouldn't say it out loud though. You never know. I think they already increased it in the past.

By the way there seems to be a Swedish girl in Artemis right now, tall, blonde long hair (not very long, towards orange) , blue eyes, typical Nordic body so for me the best. My session with her was more than good, boosted by the fact that she is near my ideal of looks in a woman.[/QUOTE]Isn`t she Kimmi? Your discription sound like her.

[QUOTE=Excess; 1484910]In order to avoid disappointment, may I suggest that Crosby, Stills & Nash from Rocketboy`s Heimort may hold the answer in most FKK and Mongering situations?"Love The One You're With".[/QUOTE]

Xs-first RB's Heimat may not be what you think. Secondu-I am not so sure the rules of free love apply to 60+ Euro love.

Thinking about this the past few days, there are some bits about the Artemis model that could use some daylight. I have been struck again (very recently) by the sense that, on a pure "performance & experience" basis, I have a better time in the private apartment bordellos. To simplify, hotter girls, hotter times. If (a big if) you have the time to investigate it. It is the way to go. It is to be sure not the fun hours and hours watching the scene at Artemis, the relaxation, the chatting with all, the wellness stuff, etc. And it is tougher for tourists and people under time pressure to crack to be sure.

The point is sometimes people have unreasonable expectations at Artemis. It is a fun, mass-tourist fuck factory. Nothing less, but nothing more. The experience there, both the girls and the mongers, have changed over the years and it is now much more of a "throughput" scene. Both mongers and girls have multiple financial incentives to just session as much as possible. To think that this does not affect the quality of sex is rather ludicrous. Particularly on the girl's side.to expect her to be passionate after easily 10 previous sessions late at night is silly. Being with so many men, getting inside their heads, their cultures their languages, their bizarre needs, etc, the girls have to become somewhat distanced. Of course it will vary by individual and by chemistry but mongers just need to understand the context. To expect multiple sessions to be stunning sexual experiences is just unreasonable (unless you are the Great Kimino, who has an unusual talent for these things due to his remarkably sunny nature, and not his albeit of course considerable prowess).

I would be the first to wish for some more competition and have often thought a more boutique version of a slicker FKK could work in Berlin (certainly with better music and less smoke), but also some other payment structure to attract different girls. Not some elite pricey thing like the old Bel Ami but something just smaller, chic-er, more erotic. Artemis when it first opened was a little more like this and had much more turnover and more varied girls which was a plus. Them days are long gone. And it is different being a local vs an occasional tourist, from more expensive, repressive countries, who when they first walk past the men's changing room, often feel understandably they have died and gone to heaven. In fact, they have only gone to Artemis, one of several options...

You can of course get lucky and Arts and just click but it general it is just quick thrills and chills vs some deeper connection. If a monger wants to go beyond this, surely being nice and attentive helps. And some who have "bad" experiences really only have themselves to blame as they have been dickheads, chosen poorly, or both. But the whole, the Art's model certainly as the night progresses later and later, stacks the odds a bit against having a wild passionate time. The scene itself also attracts girls mostly who obviously are in it for the money and the quick turnover, and let us be honest who also are dealing with some tough home situations that pressure them into raising lots of cash. The apartment scene is really different-more local girls & real women, slightly older, who are just part timers and more "into" it; most mongers are more chilled out. It is slightly more expensive (though 1 hr at Artemis and 1 hr in an apartment cost roughly the same-with more food in Arts and more sex in the apartment). To find a good apartment buddy takes more time and there are less choices. You have only the 5 min parade, the lack of food, and wellness stuff and buzz. It just depends upon what you want.

So what to make of all this? On the monger side, if you have time, also try some of the better bordellos. Keep expectations in check in the Love Bahnhoff. Try to get there a earlier than 2100 and take time to size up the scene. Do not ever feel such pressure that you cannot walk away. It is really important to actually not be afraid of bailing, actually [i]not[/i] just loving the one you're with. Precisely because this is a PfP situation, you actually need to be more selective. If you don't feel some sort of minimal spark after taking the critical time to talk a bit before making any decisions, or if there is some gut feeling of doubt, don't zimmer. For me 1-2 good sessions easily trump 3-4 mediocre ones, and on a number of occasions over the years, I have simply left ungepopped. If you are a regular, the 12 for 10 card really does help lower the pressure. Go on the power days / nights. Thurs-Sat for more choices. And look, bad sessions can just happen. Nothing to worry about it given the situation which really cannot be taken too seriously. Following some of these suggestions can minimise some of the so so experiences recently described in the forum here. But as always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=West K;1485065]Isn`t she Kimmi? Your discription sound like her.[/QUOTE]I don't think so. Her name maybe started with a M. I'm not great with names. She told me she does this only in "spare" time to have extra cash and she has a regular job.

I agree on Rocketboy about expections on Artemis but is it really that different in other big FKK? Apartments are as you say more for locals even though I visited some apartments a long time ago, or if you prefer the more private atmosphere or you are pressed for time.

I'd like to see some competition there for Artemis as well, but if there is still none there must be a reason.

In any case, far from being a real heaven, for people like me coming from outside the Country is the right place to have fun and relax for long hours and indeed you can have 4 good sessions in a day, even though I might expect some bad ones can occur (they are happening less to me now than before though).2 sessions are not enough for the long trip and the long hours (that if is I'm there only one day. 2 can be enough in a longer staying). If I were a local I wouldn't do 4 in a day. 2 is maybe the right number in that case, since you can come and go whenever you feel like it.

When I see the session can be on the right track I usually go for one hour though, so it is more relaxed for the girl and for me. And having some good favorite girls always help, being some almost "certain" good sessions.

About Artemis changing over the years, I started going there a long time ago but the only thing that I'm convinced changed is the more aggressive attitude of the girls for the room. Other things are maybe only impressions but: less blonde Polish girls, more silicon, more tatoos.

[QUOTE=Buck Rogers; 1485387]I don't think so. Her name maybe started with a M. I'm not great with names. She told me she does this only in "spare" time to have extra cash and she has a regular job.

I agree on Rocketboy about expections on Artemis but is it really that different in other big FKK? Apartments are as you say more for locals even though I visited some apartments a long time ago, or if you prefer the more private atmosphere or you are pressed for time.

I'd like to see some competition there for Artemis as well, but if there is still none there must be a reason.

In any case, far from being a real heaven, for people like me coming from outside the Country is the right place to have fun and relax for long hours and indeed you can have 4 good sessions in a day, even though I might expect some bad ones can occur (they are happening less to me now than before though).2 sessions are not enough for the long trip and the long hours (that if is I'm there only one day. 2 can be enough in a longer staying). If I were a local I wouldn't do 4 in a day. 2 is maybe the right number in that case, since you can come and go whenever you feel like it.

When I see the session can be on the right track I usually go for one hour though, so it is more relaxed for the girl and for me. And having some good favorite girls always help, being some almost "certain" good sessions.

About Artemis changing over the years, I started going there a long time ago but the only thing that I'm convinced changed is the more aggressive attitude of the girls for the room. Other things are maybe only impressions but: less blonde Polish girls, more silicon, more tatoos.[/QUOTE]Ah ok, lucky you. ! I had one swedish (half german) girl named Kimmi few years ago and I am very fond of her, so and your description fit not all, but in many ways, so thought came across my mind.

I feel what you say about Artemis and there are alot of fact about what you mentioned about how Artemis changed comparison to few years ago. In away I feel more because I am long distance visitor too (10hours flight) , so When I visit Artemis every year, I always compare to my last visit and I did notice the changes of girls quality. The facility got much better with outside area though.

However, I am happy in Artemis, I just have to dig in a bit and I always find someone. The downside is that I know most girls that I like from two or three years before, so I am basically having session with same girls more or less for past two three years (80% of session) , since I travel far to just to goto Artemis, I do want fresh younger natural beauty for my visit in year 2014, I like to think I go there have sex with new beauty even though old flames are always nice. But in conclusion I am generally happy with Artemis.

I think Rocketboy nailed in very precisely about Artemis and he is absolutely right with his perception of Artemis, we cannot expect that much, someday we get lucky, some day not so lucky, but in the end it is all good. But it is good or important to through our opinions at managements so that place will be better and better for all of us and managements at Artemis are very nice and serious. I would like it if they make one club or turn artemis into club like The globe in Zurich. Well let see what will happen to Artemis, but no matter what happen Artemis is my holiday resort every year.

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1485244]Thinking about this the past few days, there are some bits about the Artemis model that could use some daylight.[/QUOTE]Well written and interesting train of thought [b]Rocketboy0[/b]. A lot of which could possibly apply to some of the other German Mega-clubs.

CD

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1485244]Thinking about this the past few days, there are some bits about the Artemis model that could use some daylight.[/QUOTE]I was struck by this particular post by [b]Rocketboy0[/b] And how similar thoughts and ideas could be applied to most (or all) of other the German Mega-Clubs.

Good post.

[QUOTE=West K;1485461]I would like it if they make one club or turn artemis into club like The globe in Zurich.[/QUOTE]I find this amazing. I have been to Globe in Zurich a few times and was usually very disappointed there. If you want Artemis to change to be like Globe then maybe you want:

1) Massive price hike for us punters who have to pay the girls twice as much.

2) A system where the locals can call in advance to book all the best girls so that you never see them on the floor of the club, the lesser girls are the ones who are available.

3) The club to control the local internet forum (the main Swiss forum 6profi. Com is controlled by the club management. You can post criticism of the girls here but not of the club itself or the managers).

4) All this happening with just the same girls (girls at Artemis also work at Globe).

5) Much louder PA system.

6) Expensive restaurant.

Last time I visited Artemis, I could see that Lulu nowadays also have an Abdul tattoo [it's on her leg]. Had to session with her so I could ask about the meaning of the abbreviation. But I only got the same shit answer as people before me have gotten when asking abdul-girls about this. It's her cute litle doggy.

The session with her was ok, but not more. But I don't expect to much from the german professionals sitting in the sofa, by the bar.

Edit: Also saw the famous Nina, for the first time, I think. Didn't session with her,as she was occupied with some how seemed to be an old grumpy dude. So I didn't elbow my way towards her to say Ahoj.

OMG! I just lived out my fantasy. After two good days at Artemus I walk in and see these two beauties by the lockers. After I change they of course are nowhere to be found. I had one session with one of my regulars Nicole, but the twins are on my mind. After some exercise and food I decide to be one of the stairway stalkers to hunt them down. Long story short I finally get my shot at 4am. They are so lovely. Imagine if Natalie Portman had two little sisters who are twins. Plus they are very sweet to be with. Watching the two of them kiss was soooo sexy. Even better was when one was on my face and the other on my cock. I finished with one sucking my nipples while I came on the others face. They only work once a week so if you see them you have to work hard to get them. If I was truly honest there are better technical suckers and fuckers out there, but the eroticism of having these beautiful 19yo twins made this the most memorable session I ever had. Even though I was planning to go back the next day, I decided against it since there was no way I could have a session that came close. Please treat them nicely! I want them to stay for a long time.

[QUOTE=Boulderado;1486228]OMG! I just lived out my fantasy. After two good days at Artemus I walk in and see these two beauties by the lockers. After I change they of course are nowhere to be found.[/QUOTE]Well done Boulderado! And thanks for reporting.

I did try that some time ago but the twins were involved in some kind of bday party or something and my project failed.

I think the level of service is absolutely not important in this kind of scenario, it's just a matter of visuals and tagging the fantasy as "Done".

Kimino

After reading about this place on ISG I was undecided whether I should go to the expense of this place. There were certainly some comments from experienced campaigners that said this place was losing its mojo. I beg to differ.

I was certainly nervous as I entered Artemis by myself. Thankfully the reception lady spoke good English so I was over my first hurdle. After paying the EUR80 entry fee I was handed a wrist band to identify that I'd paid, another that contained my locker keys and a bathrobe and was told to go up and shower. Firstly I put my wallet in my wallet locker, you need to access this after you've fucked a girl, and then I put my clothes in my separate clothes locker. Onto the shower.

Now as someone on here pointed out, you don't want to feel uncomfortable about public displays of nudity. The men's showers are communal and at times you can be seen from near reception, in addition to the cleaning lady and any girls that happen to be out front. After an hour or so any apprehension I had dissipates when you realise that nobody cares or is looking at you.

It would have been 2. 30pm when I went for my first walk around the lounge, I tried not to seem too nervous or too much of a newbie as I went. Looking around there was at least 20 women in the bar and not one of them was less then a 6. Initially two smoking hot blondes bailed me up and wanted to chat, one was German the other claimed to be Colombian but spoke German but not Spanish, right-e-o. They went the hard sell but I told them I wanted to take a look around. At this point I'm realising that this little story I'm telling you could be longer then War and Peace so you may want to skip ahead.

Rounding the bar I was still nervous and thought I'd just get something to drink and just relax for a bit. Soon after I found myself talking to another German with long dark hair but the conversation didn't flow as well as I'd hoped so I went for a walk downstairs to the wellness area.

As I rounded the pool and past the massage table I notice few people there at this hour. I proceeded to the downstairs bar and got a Coke and then followed the bar around until a few couches came into view, it was on one of these couches that a absolutely smoking hot girl (a 9 through my eyes) was sitting and gesturing for me to come and join her, which I did. Jennifer was her name and she was from Dominica, she is part Latina and very exotic looking, she is also the one who the template reflects.

Within a minute or so Jennifer had me feeling at ease. After initially talking in English, I told her that I spoke a little Spanish, her native tongue. Jennifer offered to give me a intensive Spanish lesson and we rarely spoke English after that. In between Spanish lessons there was much kissing and kanoodling on the couch before she suggested we go get into it some place else. She gave me the choice of either going to a private room upstairs or to initially start in the kino (porn cinema) and then move up stairs. I chose the latter.

Walking in there there were two old guys sitting in there by themselves and Jennifer and I walked past them to sit in the back row. Within minutes Jennifer has me hard as a rock and is giving me amongst the best oral I've had in my life. Thankfully I'm not the type to come quickly, so after about 10 mins of very public oral I tell her to put on a condom for the main event.

At this point there was only one guy left in the cinema although a few came and watched at the door from time to time as Jennifer rode me. This chick works out a lot and has a very toned tummy and powerful, though skinny legs. I could feel the muscles in her legs as she rode men in cowgirl, partly on and partly off the couch. OMFG! This chick was dynamite. A little after I asked her to roll over in to doggie, with her feet (still in high heels) standing on the floor and her torso bent over the couch as she pushed back as I thrust into her. She made all the right noises at all the right times to cause me to explode into her. Wow. The possibly the best I've had in years. Cost. 60euro. I told her I'd look for her again later that night.

There was at least 25 women in the place by the time I paid Jennifer, showered and went back to the lounge, I would have fucked any one of them too. In and out I saw a chick with massive fake tits, a course fishnet body stocking and a body covered in tattoos. Nika or Mika (can't remember which) was probably a 7. 5 on my scale but she did look like a bit of a skanky hooker type, a fantasy I'd dreamed about from time to time an I thought she'd be a wild ride so I went up and talked to her. Though she was polite the conversation did not flow as much as I liked and I got a slightly disconcerting vibe so I told her I'd look for her later and headed off. Maybe an hour later she walked past me near the stair and asked me if I want to go now. Bingo!

Once in the room the attitude changed somewhat, not playful at all like Jennifer I could tell she meant business and was quite bossy. Nika had a spectacular body with big, but well constructed fake tits with a piercing through one of her small nipples. She only let me suck those baby's for a moment before she stopped me and started sucking my cock. Excellent technique but she seemed to want to just jet me off as quick as possible, interrupting to try and hit me for CIM, a 50euro extra.

When she saw that I want going for it she put on a dom in huff and started to ride me in cowgirl briefly before insisting we switch to doggy. Once that happens she tried to convince me to go anal, a 100euro extra, when I said I didn't like anal (I do) she was pissed off and asked me how much money I had. I told her plenty. In the end I had to give myself a HJ as I watched her finger herself. 60 euro down the drain.

After leaving the premises for a few hours I returned about 8pm and the place was packed. There were at least 50 girls now and only 2 I would not pay money for, the rest were between 7 and 9. 5, some truly stunning women. While around such perfection I noticed I started to mentally nitpick the bodies of all the girls and striking off the ones that had imperfections I wouldn't normally care about. Eventually I saw an extremely attractive girl I'd talked to earlier, Amina, a German girl of Iranian descent. She looks very Middle Eastern and in my eyes is close to a 9. In our earlier conversation Amina was very friendly, lots of smiling and came across as very genuine so I took her down stairs to the kino.

After 2 cums already I thought it would take her longer to get me fired up but I was hard again in no time. Once hard we retreated to one of the private rooms behind the kino that I'd never noticed before. Amina let me DATY her sweet little box before another excellent BBBJ. There was passionate DFK throughout and she rode me like a champion too. I'd warned her before that I wouldn't come quickly but she just kept going and going. In the end I finished in doggy, not one of my favorite positions as I like to see their face and tits, but Amina had the most beautiful looking ass, I couldn't help but fire another load. Fantastic chick, fantastic ride, all for another 60euro.

At this point I knew it would be a struggle for me to go for number 4. There was another smoking hot chica, Marteka, or some name like that, she was getting taken constantly and every guy who walked back down the stairs had a massive smile on their face. If you've read this far, congratulations, I'll give you one of my insights, or maybe it's just my imagination. It's great to stand at the stairwell so you can see the punters and their chosen girl walk up then back down the stairs. Watch their faces as they come down. Are they smiling. I asked a few guys how they went after observing this and almost all the ones that were smiling had a fantastic ride. Worth noting don't you think?

Jennifer saw me again and told me that I'd promised to take her again, which I did, so I told her that I was going to have a hard time getting it up and even harder blowing a load, no problem she said in Spanish, leave it to me. Down to the kino we go.

3 or 4 mins in and this cock sucking expert has me rock hard again. Not wanting an audience this time we retreated to the little rooms behind the kino. In there Jennifer's rock hard body was working me over like a master, despite that I was still some way away from the happy ending I wanted. No matter how hard we tried it wasn't happening. We'd talked earlier about some of my sexual desires and with that in mind no doubt she was rubbing her spectacular body, including her pussy, all over my body and face as she felt herself up and she talked dirty to me, in Spanish. Not just dirty, she was fucking filthy. Screaming this shit out over and over. That was it. I exploded all over her a she grabbed hold of my cock to make sure she milked it all out. Fucking mind blowing. In the end we talked and laughed about it, had a bit of a roll around on the bed and got cleaned up. Cost 60euro for one of the best chicks ever.

If you've read the lot then well done. Don't believe what others say about this place going down hill. Just think how the bedroom magic fades in a relationship over time. It always seemed better before, and for them it probably was, but for the uninitiated, this place is amazing.