Kyiv

[QUOTE=Gergiev]Hecker, I salute you.

After my ghastly RP experience of last month and its unsavoury aftermath (reported here) my adrenalin would have been in overdrive during this car-ride.

A good result.[/QUOTE]The moral here is to play on your own ground in Kiev. I am going back to kiev in nov, and will have a word with the security guy, and see what he says about your experience at river palace, and will keep me eyes open.

[QUOTE=Qjump] Switzerland is not a shengen zone so such visas do not work unless they joined recently? but i am 99% sure they did not.
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Switzerland joined the Schengen Area in December 2008.

[QUOTE=Delgado]Switzerland joined the Schengen Area in December 2008.[/QUOTE]

I stand corrected, still a shengen visa is very hard for any single Ukrainian girl to get. unless she comes from a rich background.

That's so true, in fact now you all are talking about Ukrainian diaspora (that I started to talk about).

You are just another man who doesn't know what is human respect and family responsibility and who vents his life emptiness with sex. I know thousands of men like you, unfortunately, that is a typical male syndrome.

My reports are not erotic invention or narcissistic tales like yours, but they are the reality that you don't like to hear about the truth that hurts you.

[QUOTE=Qjump]The girls work as "dancers" in many clubs in Switzerland, the visas that they get I am not sure about, I know of at least 6 girls from Ukraine who regularly go to work in various Swiss cantons.

They also used to travel as far as Japan to work but now they have stopped the visas for EE girls as too many locals where marrying them.

Switzerland is not a shengen zone so such visas do not work unless they joined recently? but i am 99% sure they did not.

Colon the day i listen to what you know or anyone should listen is the day we all become dumb mutes, before that i will just ignore you and hope you go away as you know nothing about nothing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]The world is becoming more crazy day by day, and men are becoming stupid penis with two feet. I want to remind some principles in prostitution.

When sex is a work or sex is in exchange with money or any other kind of "favour", that is prostitution. Therefore there is no substantial difference among prostitutes, sponsored women and most wives, there is no exception (material support is incompatible with feelings).

But, for the convenience of all ISG users, I want to remind the historical reason for what prostitutes exist: throughtout all human history, prostitutes exist because they are good at blowjobs.

But which kind of blowjobs? Do you think, in the past centuries, rubber condoms have existed? No, they didn't, of course. In fact, when men talked about blowjobs, they implied blowjobs without condoms, that is swallow blowjobs. And be aware, in the past centuries, venereal diseases are much more fatal than now.

If they are prostitutes, then they must make swallow blowjobs.

Therefore it doesn't make sense when men need explicitly to ask for a swallow blowjob or they need to distinguish among covered, CIM and swallow, because THE BLOWJOB is a swallow blowjob.

I can understand, but I don't agree at all, the difference between covered and swallow, just for a health reason (but it is dangerous for the health just a skin touch with any kind of prostitutes too).

Instead it is ridicolous when men (and prostitutes) talk about CIM: if a prostitute can bring sperm in her mouth, therefore she can swallow it too, because there is no difference for her health.

I am reading, throughtout all ISG, men talking about CIM and I am angry because I can't believe "experienced" men are scammed in that trivial way!

The difference among covered, CIM and swallow is a convenience just for prostitutes, because the starting price is for covered and then increasing prices for CIM and swallow. The usual trick is "Swallow, me? Never!" just to get ten times the usual price.

Instead, throughtout all human history, the starting and only price was for a swallow, and it still should be for a swallow.

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Acolonizer

I just don't understand this obsession with 'swallow blowjobs' I was in Kiev from October 2000 and enjoyed the services of many p4p's and never ever met one who swallowed. In addition to this all the freebies I met didn't swallow either, they preferred to spit it out into a tissue or run to the bathroom.

Plus I don't know about you, but I think a lot of guys once they come are not that bothered what the girl does with their load. If she's done the business properly they are too busy trying to get their breath back.

[QUOTE=Tremayne]Acolonizer

I just don't understand this obsession with 'swallow blowjobs' I was in Kiev from October 2000 and enjoyed the services of many p4p's and never ever met one who swallowed. In addition to this all the freebies I met didn't swallow either, they preferred to spit it out into a tissue or run to the bathroom.

Plus I don't know about you, but I think a lot of guys once they come are not that bothered what the girl does with their load. If she's done the business properly they are too busy trying to get their breath back.[/QUOTE]Just for the record, pretty much every girl who has blown me BBBJ has either swallowed or let me spray her face.

I really don't get the obsession either, but girls do it without really any problem.

"guys once they come are not that bothered what the girl does with their load" that's clear you never got a karolesky miniet, otherwise that's sure you always ask for that in your life ;)

[QUOTE=Tremayne]Acolonizer

I just don't understand this obsession with 'swallow blowjobs' I was in Kiev from October 2000 and enjoyed the services of many p4p's and never ever met one who swallowed. In addition to this all the freebies I met didn't swallow either, they preferred to spit it out into a tissue or run to the bathroom.

Plus I don't know about you, but I think a lot of guys once they come are not that bothered what the girl does with their load. If she's done the business properly they are too busy trying to get their breath back.[/QUOTE]

Maybe that's your case.

Karolesky miniet is the state of art in sex but if you clearly ask for that, it seems no girls know that, that's a big lie of course. In fact most men don't know about that, read posts throughout this forum.

That's both funny and tragic, most men think to know what is sex but they actually don't know, and therefore they are extremely scammed in that way.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Just for the record, pretty much every girl who has blown me BBBJ has either swallowed or let me spray her face.

I really don't get the obsession either, but girls do it without really any problem.[/QUOTE]

[quote=gergiev]hecker, i salute you.

after my ghastly rp experience of last month and its unsavoury aftermath (reported here) my adrenalin would have been in overdrive during this car-ride.

a good result.[/quote]it was really dangerous. very dark lit remote area with rep001tered communist buildings. i stayed a bit at the entrance to make sure no other vehicle would approach. when taxi left and only then did i enter the building.

th inside was rotten. there was smell everywhere. the elevator did not work, so we had to go upstairs by staircases while the lights did not work either. so we got up stair by stair with one girl in the next floor checking the elevator and the next behind.

when we got inside the apartment, it was the most awful apartment i have ever seen. bottles of beer everywhere, small things on the ground, i could not believe that humans could ever live there. but when the girls undressed and started giving bbbj, i focused on them and forgot the environment.

the fun was that one of them gave me her business card to call her, she works during the morning in an office as a translator.

when i got home at about 4.00 in the morning, the girl i had brought in before going to carribean was sleeping.

so in just one night and one day in kiev i managed to lay 3 girls (two semi-pros, one freebie), got dates with 4 girls, collected at least 5 phone numbers which i will exploit in next visit.(they are very good chances, hot girls indeed).

as now i have lots of gfs, kiev is just an opportunity among many others, i would say the most hardcore one. especially the low prices make it very tempting compared to what it was two years ago.

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Most of the girls who blow me BB usually swallow or they have to clean my sperm off of their various body parts. To me BBBJ or CBJ or what the do with my sperm really doesn't matter to me.

Hecker, welcome to your first crack house.

[quote=hecker]it was really dangerous. very dark lit remote area with rep001tered communist buildings. i stayed a bit at the entrance to make sure no other vehicle would approach. when taxi left and only then did i enter the building.

th inside was rotten. there was smell everywhere. the elevator did not work, so we had to go upstairs by staircases while the lights did not work either. so we got up stair by stair with one girl in the next floor checking the elevator and the next behind.

when we got inside the apartment, it was the most awful apartment i have ever seen. bottles of beer everywhere, small things on the ground, i could not believe that humans could ever live there. but when the girls undressed and started giving bbbj, i focused on them and forgot the environment.

the fun was that one of them gave me her business card to call her, she works during the morning in an office as a translator.

when i got home at about 4.00 in the morning, the girl i had brought in before going to carribean was sleeping.

so in just one night and one day in kiev i managed to lay 3 girls (two semi-pros, one freebie), got dates with 4 girls, collected at least 5 phone numbers which i will exploit in next visit.(they are very good chances, hot girls indeed).

as now i have lots of gfs, kiev is just an opportunity among many others, i would say the most hardcore one. especially the low prices make it very tempting compared to what it was two years ago.

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safer, cheaper, and cleaner, is to have the girls come over to you.

i did meet one girl in rb, who gave me her card, and she was a translater, and in fact i have her card right in front of me now, and her name is valeria machkova, with her photo.

she is quite attractive with dyed reddish hair.

is she, by any chance the same one, or is she one of many in kiev?

Hey Meashearim,

Let me know if you want to have a look at the RP on the Sunday 15 November night, am travelling alone so if anyone else is heading there would be good to have a wingman/friendly advice.

Also let us know how Arena was last weekend? Was it good or over-rated?

Cheers,

Billy

[QUOTE=Meashearim]Billy Elliot,

I'm open for options. Actually I still haven't tried the night clubs at the Arena, but I will do so next weekend, because my friend goes back to the States in a few days. And since he has completely lost hope in the ordinary clubs – we focus exclusively on RP while he's still here.

By the way, I couldn't put it better myself, regarding RP-girls "fighting" over you.[/QUOTE]

Going to Kiev in January, from Denmark. Mon-wed. Would be happy if anyone could give an input.

1) Found some beauties on [url]www.sexzona.co.ua[/url]. Price about 100 USD. Any experience? Real girls, and safe?

2) River Palace. Possible to get a hot one for 100 USD?

3) I strongly prefer normal girls, paying is back-up plan. Most guys say Kiev is difficult for pulling freebies, but I see some of you have other experiences. I speak no russian/ukrainian, I am early thirties and have ok game. Would the girls speak english? Is Arena the best place for going out? Other thoughts?

4) What are the strip clubs like, for example at Arena? Very expensive? Like getting a lap dance, or possible for more? Better options? I have found som info about this on the forum though.

Thanks for any info.

[quote=hecker]

it was really dangerous.

very dark lit remote area with rep001tered communist buildings. i stayed a bit at the entrance to make sure no other vehicle would approach.

th inside was rotten. there was smell everywhere. the elevator did not work, so we had to go upstairs by staircases while the lights did not work either.

when we got inside the apartment, it was the most awful apartment i have ever seen. bottles of beer everywhere, small things on the ground, i could not believe that humans could ever live there.

[/quote]

added drama reality check please? or since its almost halloween, does a scary blow job sound better than a boring one? :d

once you've exhausted the 'tourist' agencies in what's on, its time to get a taste for the authentic flavor of ee life and russian tramps, to see and experience what local mongers go through every day.

every ee city has "very dark lit remote area with rep001tered communist buildings", in fact, you just described most of the housing that exists for +400 million citizens east of the elbe river.

you're in much more 'danger' in any inner city in the west than you are at the entrance of one of those communist buildings. the residents of ee come and go in an endless procession day and night without any more danger than slipping on the ice or falling down drunk.

is it possible that some young punk ass wanna be purse snatcher or drunk skinhead could just be lurking around looking for a victim, at the time you pulled up? sure, why not. but you'd have the same odds as any other of the millions and millions of russians that come and go day after day night after night to encounter trouble.

i know, but you're talking about 2 tramps setting you up to get rolled after midnight, not just a normal citizen inviting you in for afternoon tea. were they making mobile calls in the taxi on the way? well, we wouldn't know what the hell they were saying anyway, but getting beat for your money by two unsophisticated tramps also seems very far above the normal level of comfort for a russian tramp. wh0ring is an established way of life, its an accepted historic part of society, at worst, they pay a tribute fine to the nice police.

unless they are at the very utmost desperate fringes of the tramp lifestyle, say with a husband or boyfriend that owes enormous debts to the mafia, and knows he'll soon be executed and therefore not normally worried about the consequences of armed robbery, that might be a scenario, but certainly the extreme case. armed robbery will produce a 10 year slave labor vacation in the gulag.

the rest is not even worth mentioning, and certainly your descriptions written to make it sound dramatic, are absurdly naive.

every stairway is smelly, because all ukrainians drink 2 six-packs a day and can't always find a bathroom, so its easier and safer to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in the stairs than outside in the bushes, cause its a little warmer in the stairs, and outside there's just not that many bushes, and outside some wary babushka is likely to spy you pissing in the bushes and start raising a fuss and yelling "motherfucker!!" and chasing you down the street as you're running and zipping up your fly. if she catches you in the stairs, she'll just throw an empty vodka bottle at your head and scream "bum!! fucking no good bum!!", but she won't chase you down the street.

stairways are all rotten too, cause nobody takes care of them because nobody could be bothered to spend a single kopek on anything outside their own door. they don't have busybody condo commandos yet, after 4 generations of secret police and everyone spying and reporting on everyone else, people keep to themselves and don't make waves, unless it comes to security for their parked cars, that is, for the few that have them.

across the street from my flat, there is a 24 hour "security" guy, who has a job to watch the car park, probably he spends most night drunk and sleeping, but even if i am waiting by the street at 4 am for some escort to find my address, i usually see him standing around, so maybe he's not sleeping all the time. but at 5 degrees c, without vodka he'd be frozen, so.....

lights and elevators that don't work???? why would anyone want to spend 8 hrivna for a fucking lightbulb???? you know how many pickled cucumbers and onions you can buy with 8 hr?? are you crazy or something??

finally, the most awful apartment you've ever seen is just a typical version of the tramps working environment. its not their mama's home, its where they work, and their work is blow jobs and 5 minute nutting for horny dirty gruff russian low class customers, get it over with and get out, and get back to drinking and smoking and waiting around for another trick.

every tramp house looks like that, because its not their home, its their workplace, and its as low scale as it gets. in fact, as they care nothing about how the stairways appear, they care even less how their flophouse does, so its probably much nicer in the stairs. ever fucked a wh0re in the stairs???

[QUOTE=Jojosun]The Moral of hecker's excellent report for newbies like myself, is to avoid visiting girls in their apartments, as you never know what lies behined that door, and you could get robbed or worse.

Safer, cheaper, and cleaner, is to have the girls come over to you.

I did meet one girl in RB, who gave me her card, and she was a translater, and in fact I have her card right in front of me NOW, and her name is VALERIA MACHKOVA, with her photo.

She is quite attractive with dyed reddish hair.

IS she, by any chance the same one, or is she one of many in Kiev? [/QUOTE]No, she has a different name and she is blond. The card did not contain her photo. She opened her legs in taxi and started massaging my crotch over trousers while I fingered her. The taxi driver looked sometimes in the mirror although he did not say anything. The taxi went far and far away. Soon we were very far from any area which could remind me of sth.

I have stayed in communist style apartments (not renovated) and I know how the inside usually looks and I know that homes are always neglected but this building was the worst of the worst imaginable. You didn't even know what expected you in next floor (we went to 9th floor) and you did not know if there were any stairs where you would next step because there was no light at all in the corridor.

With girls becoming crazy and angry by darkness and having drunk in the club and with their mobiles ringing sometimes, I did not know what to expect. There were no other buildings around in big blocks as it usually happens with communist houses. It was a real shithole.

From my experience in EE I have found that it pays off to go for the challenge (although I had 2-3 bad incidents which could cost big time) especially if you know the language and that there is no danger that you cannot really pay for or bribe or whatever.

The girls did BBBJ continuous and took the sperm in the mouth although not swallowing. They also licked ass, not bad at all.

Basically a lot of what happens in EE(I include Poland there as well) is like a movie horror and porn. And the next day was not less crazy with hooking up and dating girls in Kreshatik and grand finale with freebie at home after a hot date with her with a rash alterance of places and a rather crazy walk in Kreshatik, people who know Ukraine will understand what is all about and the flood and change of emotions.

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