Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2727219]As I have been saying for quite some time here, the chicas in Medellin are on a continuum. Of course, it's easy to know where you are and what to do when you are at the extreme end of Puta-ville and everything is hard core and only about the money. But as soon as you start moving toward center, it's one continuous shade of gray. Where do you think all this talk about being "polite" to these chicas stems from? It's because they are on a continuum and the default is to not assume they are somehow inferior just because they are willing to accept money for sex. Plus, in their minds, it is often not a direct connection, but an indirect and even circuitous one.
.[/QUOTE]I completely agree. I think there are a few dynamics at play that contribute to the grey zone and many Paisas being ok with money for sex or gifts.

1) They have more traditional gender roles and dynamics than in the US or Europe and the idea that men are providers is a strong one. I see memes about this all the time on Facebook. A common one is that they are alergic to cheap men or that a good boyfriend gives money for hair, nails etc.

2) There is a tradition of amantes or mozas that is widespread in Latin culture but is especially strong here. Moza specifically is the Colombian term for mistress. A mistress is not a prepago and there is more going on there emotionally and in terms of relationship dynamics. But one of the factors going into those relationships is clearly financial. We tap into that, especially with the older man / younger woman dynamic.

3) Ultimately there is a huge financial and power disparity that should be recognized between the average Colombiana and foriegner. I'm heavily biased towards, at this point exclusively looking for, the nonpros and semipros because I find them to be more enjoyable in every way. But when you talk to these chicas and understand what some of them (especially the more nonpro ones who don't see many foriegners) are going through it becomes clear how huge a difference there is between your life and theirs. Many of the normal girls I met are earning around 1 million pesos a month (250-350 USD depending on the exchange). That goes much farther in Medellin than in the US or Europe. Still, they may be living with their parents, single moms, or are struggling to get by working 6 days a week. It seems obvious that they will see you differently than a guy from their barrio because of that dynamic, especially if you spend half or a third of their monthly salary taking them out. This is something I'm sensitive to too and I don't mind giving a gift to them if I feel like we have a good connection. The ones who are genuine will also look for ways to help you like clean up your place, cook for you, help you find things etc. In my case, the baker I met the last trip is a fitness addict and is currently helping me arrange remote coaching with her trainer.

Now, I'd definitely like to go out with wealthier women in the future. I get the feeling that they would be as close as you get to what we might consider a fully nonpro experience or even them taking you out. The closest I've gotten to that dynamic have been webcam girls. I know two, one in particular who is doing fairly well for herself, and I don't feel much internal or external pressure to give either of the ones I know money beyond taxi fares and money I spend going out with them. I'd stress that I've met both of them on Facebook completely by chance vs. On cam sites and I think they are / were both attracted to me. I imagine going out with a doctor, lawyer, or executive would be similar with a little extra class and higher-brow conversation thrown in.

Finally, if you want to be classy with a nonpro to semipro and make her not feel like she's selling herself don't directly link the money to sex and give them the amount you want / feel comfortable with. When I give that "regalito" I'll say something like "tenga esto por su pelo y unas" (take this for you hair and nails). Or "Tu me caiste super bien. Quiero dar te un regalito para ayudar con sus gastos" (I really like you. I want to give you a little gift to help with your expenses).

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2727227]You sound like a guy who thinks pussy is pussy and sees any woman as a piece of meat. As long as she has a vagina and a pulse, she is good to fuck, right? Have you ever thought that sex could be much better if there is a good connection / chemistry between the two? Difficult to establish one if she is dumb as fuck. But I agree, no references are needed if you are "wham bam thank you ma'am" type of a monger.[/QUOTE]In baseball terms that would be "a swing and a miss", but you're so far off the mark you're not even playing the right sport. Didn't you read my post before responding?

I need to ask again. Did you read my post before responding?

Objectively, "pussy is pussy. " Take a look around and you can see it with your own eyes. See that guy kissing his 70 year old wife? See the guy smiling and happy with his 300# girlfriend? All types of people finding sexual satisfaction with all types of people. Pussy is pussy and dick is dick, and everyone has a different opinion on what is attractive.

Subjectively, is a different story. Subjectively I have certain standards. My standards are complex because they might change drastically from day to day. For example, my preference is for petite women, but some days I want a woman with large breasts. I prefer women with long, straight hair, but occasionally I want a woman with curls, or short hair. This all applies when I'm looking for someone to fuck. Chemistry doesn't come into play, but attitude does. She doesn't have to mesh seamlessly with me for several years, or even days. She just needs to be fun to be around for a few hours.

A few hours. Now I could spend months interviewing women, checking their knowledge, politics, religion and everything else, trying to find 1 girl to spend a few hours with, but it might turn out she's sexually a starfish. All the time, effort and money wasted; spending $500 on a $5 lay.

However, there's more to life than just fucking. I've posted many times about different activities with different girls: restaurants, movies, road trips, Guatape, or just hanging out with them and their friends. Not long ago I posted about the 5 days I spent with my girl in Bahia Solano, and more recently about the 5 days I spent with her in the US.

The meat of the subject is whether or not you're mongering. If you're mongering, you're looking for a temporary solution to a physical desire. You're not looking for someone to grow old with, someone to raise your children and provide a loving home. You're looking for someone who will fuck you for money. That's it. You might want to spend hours or days pretending it's something more, but in the end she's getting paid and you're getting laid.

When I'm mongering I understand that. I recognize the reality of P4P and I handle it accordingly.

When I'm not mongering, I'm interested in different qualities. My girl (previously girlfriend*) is intelligent. She comes from a respectable middle class family. She's compassionate and ideologically compatible with me. She understands decorum, while still looking sexy. She thinks for herself, yet submits herself to me. She thinks toward the future instead of living totally in the moment. She handles adversity well.

Most importantly, she was never looking for a john, or a sugar daddy. She wasn't even looking for a boyfriend. You won't find her on Facebook or Instagram and you certainly won't find her in La Isla or on SA.

It's been about 30 months for her to pass all my tests to be my girl. How long it will last nobody knows.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2727387]I completely agree. I think there are a few dynamics at play that contribute to the grey zone and many Paisas being ok with money for sex or gifts.

When I give that "regalito" I'll say something like "tenga esto por su pelo y unas" (take this for you hair and nails). Or "Tu me caiste super bien. Quiero dar te un regalito para ayudar con sus gastos" (I really like you. I want to give you a little gift to help with your expenses).[/QUOTE]And I love to throw in, "desde mi corazon" or that my gift is "from the heart". That seems to assuage the transaction further.

The only conceptual difference I perceive in what you wrote is that I see the women as the backbone of this country, and the men not being the strong, role model providers you listed. But I am going by nothing other than my own limited personal experience on that.

[QUOTE=JonnyPokerStar;2727245]Do you mean to tell me that Colombian elites are not selling their pussies for seven dollars in El Centro?![/QUOTE]Colombian elites aren't selling their pussy. Period.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2727371]I am curious, what's the longest relationship you have had with one woman since you started mongering, if that's not too personal of a question?[/QUOTE]Depends on what you mean by relationship with one woman. If you mean monogamous then never. I am a kid in a candy store on this planet. If you mean fucking a chick then probably 20 years. I am more of a player than a monger. I have been this way my whole life and most men in my family and my friends are the same way.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2727371]From the outside looking in, it appears as though you M. O. Is to do whatever it takes to bed a girl,[/QUOTE]I do not care anything about bedding a girl. I just be myself and let nature take its course. Can't fuck all of them.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2727371]and then leave her with the knowledge that you "didn't have to pay" as being the standard.[/QUOTE]I don't mess with chicks that are expecting payment unless it is a hooker. And if she is expecting payment then wouldn't that mean she is a hooker?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2727371]Is it your belief that those same girls never took money from anyone else before or after you?[/QUOTE]Never thought about it and would not care. What they do on their own time is their business. Some chicks actually get mad because I don't care about shit like that. I figure you are a grown woman. If you want me to know something then you will tell me.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2727371]In your mind, does that make you a "better" or "smarter" man? [/QUOTE]Better or smarter? We are all just people doing people shit.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2727371]Given the outrageous numbers you infer, it would appear that you mongering is a series of one-offs.[/QUOTE]Just doing it to do it. Usually when I go somewhere I know plenty of normal chicks. If I get an inclination to fuck some paid chicks then they are not hard to find; and I do not mind letting a normal chick know that I know where the paid chicks are. (Why would I need to fuck you when chicks are over at such and such fucking for $15?) But I am usually not trying to cozy up to hookers and bring them little gifts as some mongers like doing and do things I would do with normal chicks. I have normal chicks to do friends and couples shit with.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2727371]Or do you have one or more anchor girls who your return to but never help them out in any way? Do chicas ever return to you after a period of absence?[/QUOTE]Seriously I would not even try to count the normal chicks that I mess with and have been messing with for years. If I took a stab at it then I would just say 50.

They always come back. Recently 2 chicks that I have not heard from in years hit me up. One I did not even know still had my number. She is a Mexican hairstylist chick that lives in California and she happened to be in my city with her friend for a hair convention. When I used to mess with her she was illegal. She ended up getting pregnant and she said it was this other dude's kid. I think she even got married. I was telling her friend if she told her that she cheated on me and got pregnant. She said actually I was cheating on the other guy with you. She said the kid is 11 years old, so that is how long it has been since I have heard from her. And she has papers now because back then she was afraid to travel because she was illegal.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2727371]I seem to recall your writing that you don't even believe in buying birthday presents,[/QUOTE]I do not buy a begging chick shit. And with over 50 normal chicks how could I possibly "help them out?" Most chicks have jobs anyway and are not needing to be helped out. But yeah I buy things I know they need when they don't ask. One of my ex girlfriends in Bogota has needed some new glasses for at least a few months. She has a boyfriend. I found out about the glasses because she showed up one day with some broken ones. I asked about them and she said she did not have money for new ones. Without telling her, I planned to buy her some new ones but when I was there she was either at work or out of town. Then recently she lost her job. Last week I asked her if she ever got any new glasses and I told her we could go get some the next day. (Her boyfriend saw the message before that when I asked her about going to dinner. She said he got HOT! And he has been helping her out since she lost her job.).

Anyway the next day we met on Calle 19 and got her some glasses. 470,000 pesos. I also gave her 200,000 pesos. Then I took her and her friend to lunch and after we went to the National Museum in Bogota.

And we have not slept together since we were a couple years ago. Me hanging out with someone or doing something nice for them is not contingent upon if we are fucking or not.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2727371]Is that a budgetary concern of yours or is it just sticking to your belief system, that as long as you don't pay, then you have proven to yourself (and the world?) that the chica is not a hooker? Is that your primary goal?[/QUOTE]I do not have a belief system that as long as I don't pay she is not a hooker. Hell I started messing with a hooker last month in Thailand. After the first night I paid her and later she said not to worry about money anymore. She just wants to spend time with me. So I no longer have to pay her, yet she is still a hooker. She even tells me when she is with customers. No big deal to me. I know she has bills to pay.

I do not have a primary goal. I am just living. I have nothing to prove. I fuck hookers the same as I do normal chicks. There are two songs by the same group that perfectly describe my life with women. S. O. S. Band: Just Be Good to Me and Just the Way You Like It. Some guys view themselves as living in sex prison while other guys can't beat chicks off with a stick.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2727387]I completely agree. I think there are a few dynamics at play that contribute to the grey zone and many Paisas being ok with money for sex or gifts.

1) They have more traditional gender roles and dynamics than in the US or Europe and the idea that men are providers is a strong one. I see memes about this all the time on Facebook. A common one is that they are alergic to cheap men or that a good boyfriend gives money for hair, nails etc.

2) There is a tradition of amantes or mozas that is widespread in Latin culture but is especially strong here. Moza specifically is the Colombian term for mistress. A mistress is not a prepago and there is more going on there emotionally and in terms of relationship dynamics. But one of the factors going into those relationships is clearly financial. We tap into that, especially with the older man / younger woman dynamic.

3) Ultimately there is a huge financial and power disparity that should be recognized between the average Colombiana and foriegner. I'm heavily biased towards, at this point exclusively looking for, the nonpros and semipros because I find them to be more enjoyable in every way. But when you talk to these chicas and understand what some of them (especially the more nonpro ones who don't see many foriegners) are going through it becomes clear how huge a difference there is between your life and theirs. Many of the normal girls I met are earning around 1 million pesos a month (250-350 USD depending on the exchange). That goes much farther in Medellin than in the US or Europe. Still, they may be living with their parents, single moms, or are struggling to get by working 6 days a week. It seems obvious that they will see you differently than a guy from their barrio because of that dynamic, especially if you spend half or a third of their monthly salary taking them out. This is something I'm sensitive to too and I don't mind giving a gift to them if I feel like we have a good connection. The ones who are genuine will also look for ways to help you like clean up your place, cook for you, help you find things etc. In my case, the baker I met the last trip is a fitness addict and is currently helping me arrange remote coaching with her trainer.

Now, I'd definitely like to go out with wealthier women in the future. I get the feeling that they would be as close as you get to what we might consider a fully nonpro experience or even them taking you out. The closest I've gotten to that dynamic have been webcam girls. I know two, one in particular who is doing fairly well for herself, and I don't feel much internal or external pressure to give either of the ones I know money beyond taxi fares and money I spend going out with them. I'd stress that I've met both of them on Facebook completely by chance vs. On cam sites and I think they are / were both attracted to me. I imagine going out with a doctor, lawyer, or executive would be similar with a little extra class and higher-brow conversation thrown in.

Finally, if you want to be classy with a nonpro to semipro and make her not feel like she's selling herself don't directly link the money to sex and give them the amount you want / feel comfortable with. When I give that "regalito" I'll say something like "tenga esto por su pelo y unas" (take this for you hair and nails). Or "Tu me caiste super bien. Quiero dar te un regalito para ayudar con sus gastos" (I really like you. I want to give you a little gift to help with your expenses).[/QUOTE]This is very insightful. I have not been to Medellin yet but I am planning my first trip next month. In my chats with FB girls, I am running into the gray area. Girls who say they want to hang out with me but say that they are not escorts. They never mention money but I will give them a gift of appreciation to help with their expenses when they leave. At times, I ask them what they are expecting and they usually say up to you, baby, if you want to give me something. I am going to go with flow here.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2727227]... Have you ever thought that sex could be much better if there is a good connection / chemistry between the two? Difficult to establish one if she is dumb as fuck. But I agree, no references are needed if you are "wham bam thank you ma'am" type of a monger.[/QUOTE]It is easier to have good connection if you speak Spanish, I guess you do. There are lots things to talk about that do not include a degree. Look RR69 and Osteo, they seem to be doing fine and happy. Are you as happy as either one of them?

Impressive list, I think I agree with the overall point that it is a gray area and a game of semantics. One person's wining, dining, and chit chat is another person's quid pro quo. I stand firm in my position that it's between the two consenting parties and no one else's business.

Switching gears, today Mayor Quintero announced 7 PM to 5 AM curfews for minors in the so-called Zona Rosas of Medellin (eg la 33 and la 70 in Laureles, and Parque Lleras, Manila, and Provenza in Poblado). It basically covers the nighttime hours. This is in response to intense pressure from his uribista political opponents. The holier than thou posturing reached a fever pitch during the past couple of weeks as Duque's era comes to a close. I hope no one will make the mistake of assuming this means the happy hunting grounds are going to be free and clear of forbidden fruit. Proceed with caution.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2727387]I completely agree. I think there are a few dynamics at play that contribute to the grey zone and many Paisas being ok with money for sex or gifts.

1) They have more traditional gender roles and dynamics than in the US or Europe and the idea that men are providers is a strong one. I see memes about this all the time on Facebook. A common one is that they are alergic to cheap men or that a good boyfriend gives money for hair, nails etc.

2) There is a tradition of amantes or mozas that is widespread in Latin culture but is especially strong here. Moza specifically is the Colombian term for mistress. A mistress is not a prepago and there is more going on there emotionally and in terms of relationship dynamics. But one of the factors going into those relationships is clearly financial. We tap into that, especially with the older man / younger woman dynamic.

3) Ultimately there is a huge financial and power disparity that should be recognized between the average Colombiana and foriegner. I'm heavily biased towards, at this point exclusively looking for, the nonpros and semipros because I find them to be more enjoyable in every way. But when you talk to these chicas and understand what some of them (especially the more nonpro ones who don't see many foriegners) are going through it becomes clear how huge a difference there is between your life and theirs. Many of the normal girls I met are earning around 1 million pesos a month (250-350 USD depending on the exchange). That goes much farther in Medellin than in the US or Europe. Still, they may be living with their parents, single moms, or are struggling to get by working 6 days a week. It seems obvious that they will see you differently than a guy from their barrio because of that dynamic, especially if you spend half or a third of their monthly salary taking them out. This is something I'm sensitive to too and I don't mind giving a gift to them if I feel like we have a good connection. The ones who are genuine will also look for ways to help you like clean up your place, cook for you, help you find things etc. In my case, the baker I met the last trip is a fitness addict and is currently helping me arrange remote coaching with her trainer.

Now, I'd definitely like to go out with wealthier women in the future. I get the feeling that they would be as close as you get to what we might consider a fully nonpro experience or even them taking you out. The closest I've gotten to that dynamic have been webcam girls. I know two, one in particular who is doing fairly well for herself, and I don't feel much internal or external pressure to give either of the ones I know money beyond taxi fares and money I spend going out with them. I'd stress that I've met both of them on Facebook completely by chance vs. On cam sites and I think they are / were both attracted to me. I imagine going out with a doctor, lawyer, or executive would be similar with a little extra class and higher-brow conversation thrown in.

Finally, if you want to be classy with a nonpro to semipro and make her not feel like she's selling herself don't directly link the money to sex and give them the amount you want / feel comfortable with. When I give that "regalito" I'll say something like "tenga esto por su pelo y unas" (take this for you hair and nails). Or "Tu me caiste super bien. Quiero dar te un regalito para ayudar con sus gastos" (I really like you. I want to give you a little gift to help with your expenses).[/QUOTE]

The bombillo is becoming the post pandemic equivalent of Blakman's infamous popcorn. What's next, Tony the Tiger roars and countertop reggaeton dancing?

[QUOTE=ElPostino;2727341]I love those lights. Bought two for myself in el centro. Fun when girls are with you with music and lights.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2727092]...
If you are coming into Medellin and have the money to stay at the Marriott, and you want to go to a place with the best chance you will find a girl you like, you should head to La Isla and if guys are being helpful, they should give a range of prices from that place. If you do not know the prices for takeout or have never done it from there, then shut the fuck about whether someone overpaid. You are being just as worthless as saying the guy overpaid for his hotel room or for his beer at La Isla.[/QUOTE]I think you haven't been to La Isla recently. I have. It's a different club now.

I am guessing he wanted BBBJ but didn't get it. Instead of bargaining price, I think he should have bargained service and paid more if necessary to get what he wanted. He may have got the hotter girls but it was with limited service. The net result is that he did not get the best. It's like you get a Pinto while paying BWM price. That was what we were discussing in Brazil forums. Hahaha. GP is inexperienced so he has been taken advantage of, that is partly why he could bargain from 1.3 M to 1 M. The difference matched what RR paid for 2. I will be surprised if he would do the same thing once he has more experience. Remember SJobs. He took a beating too.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2727092]...Ricerocket is helpful, ....[/QUOTE]This is what I came away with:

RR99: I paid 300 mil for 2 girls that provided BBFS service.

GP: I paid 2,400 mil for 2 girls that provided all covered service.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2727092]...paying $200 per night for 3 star accommodations ....[/QUOTE]I guess my BMW / Pinto analogy is similar to the above.

[QUOTE=FunGuy669;2726332]I have an upcoming trip to Medellin starting in September. My first. I'm planning to hang out for 4 weeks.

Place to stay: What do you think of Sheraton Four Points or Marriot. If I pay for double occupancy will I have difficulties bringing guests who will register at the front desk.

Best Ways to Meet Girls Online Prior To arrival: Recently, I signed up for Tinder. Chatted with several girls, however, reading posts from others, it seems Facebook may be a better option. Does FB have a passport feature similar to Tinder where my profile will be displayed. How does one meet girls who are not on my contact list. In other words, how does one get a stack of girls to browse through from a specific locale.

Sorry for the basic questions. Would really appreciate some feedback.[/QUOTE]My best choice is Alcazar de Oviedo, ln Poblado. Nice appartments and not so expencive. Daily cleaning included.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2727434]I just be myself and let nature take its course[/QUOTE]And not being overly defensive. I feel like I understand you a lot better, not that it matters anywhere except maybe here, a little.

Not even on Seeking Arrangement?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2727412]Colombian elites aren't selling their pussy. Period.[/QUOTE]

Rather, she found me. I was standing still for a moment and she walked up to me. Absolutely gorgeous, tall, not too skinny. My wingman happened to be walking by. As he often puts it, he would not touch some of the chicas I take to love motels from Ground Zero with a ten foot pole, and calls them "ugly" while they are standing next to me, under the assumption that they don't understand a word of English. This time, the first words out of his mouth were, "She's beautiful". He was so smitten that I offered her up to him first, but he said he wasn't ready.

If you like your chicas tall, and not too curvy with a small firm butt, perky breasts with a face and a smile that makes you stop and look again, and again, then she will blow your socks off. She has a smidge extra baby-fat on her that I found adorable and kept her feeling very soft and feminine under my roving hands.

She hangs out with Butterscotch, another gorgeous Ground Zero find but who I wouldn't call undamaged. This chica, who I have not named yet, said she would have to lie to Butterscotch about being with me to keep the dynamic I have going with both of them running smoothly. I told her that I try not to lie about such things but that was her call.

Could have all been an act but she fooled me into believing she was fresh and sweet. Didn't say a word about the numerous fotos I snapped as long as I did not show her face. Compliant to my every request, I paid 25% above FMV (Fair Market Value) for one hour, for the excellent service, which depending on how you look at it, doesn't really mean I paid above FMV. I am always willing to pay more for good performance and a smooth session. Silky smooth, very appreciative, very affectionate, more like GFE (Girl Friend Experience). I gave her an orgasm with my tongue that I am 99% sure she did not fake based on her O-face and her pussy contractions on my finger. She acted embarrassed about it for a few seconds. She had one of the smoothest pussies I ever felt on the inside. Even her G-spot didn't have ridges, but was still sensitive and definitely helped me put her over the edge with my index finger, while I was licking her clit at the same time.

I don't know why she came up to me today of all days right when we were discussing the topic of the quality of women at Ground Zero here. Cosmic Blueberry Muffin shit, I guess. I didn't ask her to fill out a job application, so I don't know anything about her background and education. She definitely didn't speak English.

I know if you dressed her up and put some make-up on her, which she didn't need as far as I was concerned, she'the be the kind of stunner the ranking guys fixate upon.

As sure as I can be, she had a virgin asshole and she offered it up to me for our next meeting. I have paid as little as 50 mil COP and as much as 600 mil COP for anal virginity. I split the difference and offered her 250 mil COP, which would include bareback, I need to come in her ass, with fotos, including the money shot of my cum dripping out her sweet hole. She looked at me pensively for about four seconds, then said, "okay". So as I often do I will quote Bill Murray from Caddyshack and say, "So I got that goin' for me, which is nice".

Earlier, I was staring out the window of my Room 201 in the love motel closest to the church, after yet another stellar session with my GZGTG. In twenty minutes, I saw 5 gorgeous girls. Granted, that is a superior vantage point. I didn't keep track of the others. I have impeccable taste, so if I say gorgeous, then they are at least a five in your book, jajajajajajaajaaaa.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2727412]Colombian elites aren't selling their pussy. Period.[/QUOTE]That guy was joking but elite colombianas sell their pussies via arranged marriages to other rich families, etc. All the time. If you marry a guy from a 'good' meaning wealthy family, that you are not really in love with, that's selling your pussy, or at least leasing it out long-term.