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[quote=likemflat;1306801]but if customers start giving in to higher and higher prices for things that are supposed to be included, eventually all of the prices will go up. i'm not saying it will ever be as bad as the situation in the us. but the nice things about fkk clubs now are that they're clean, legal, organized and cheap![/quote]there's a couple of things going on which makes the us mongering scene substandard.

first is. prostitution is illegal everywhere except for a couple of places where it is tightly controlled by laws. you're going to pay extra for top-shelf pussy when you're buying it in a country where the girl is taking a chance of going to jail. in the places where it's legal it's so tightly controlled as to kill all the "fun" in it.

second is. most women in the us don't really consider prostitution to be an option. this is because of the illegality of it; the fact that it's condemned by most people; the fact that prostitutes forfeit equal protection under the law (they're not supposed to but cops don't give a shit about hookers who are raped or abused) ; and, most importantly most women have other options for financial success than prostitution.

third is. us doesn't have an influx of aliens who are willing to perform sex work. let me restate that a bit, because many mexican women might come here to engage in the occupation but our immigration enforcement officials vigorously look for them and deport them.

this is not at all the case in germany where prostitution is legal, not so tightly controlled, there is an influx of aliens willing to engage in the profession (i. e. all the romanian girls) , and attitudes toward the profession are more moderate.

by the way. i've been expecting fkk's to increase prices due to the falling euro. right now $1. 21 us dollars equals 1 euro and the fkk's are fast becoming an even more awesome deal for americans. it seems the exchange rate on the euro drops everyday.

[QUOTE=Arctic;1307426]I've been expecting Fkk's to increase prices due to the falling Euro.[/QUOTE]Did you expect FKK prices to decrease when the exchange rate was over 1. 5 to 1 a few years ago? It is not obvious to me why the prices of services in Germany would be a function of foreign exchange rates, Euro to Dollar in particular, especially when the costs of generating the services in question are Euro denominated. I just read that deflation pressure in the Euro Zone is actually increasing.

[QUOTE=Cantil; 1307410]I'm an older guy but have dabbled only lightly in the hobby. I have probably less mongering experience than any of the rest of you. I broke my FKK cherry last year with a dedicated trip to Palace. 3 long days there.

I was confortable (understatement) , confident, and successful in choosing good girls, avoiding upsellers and overcharging. DHow could such a newbie do so well in that infamously difficult environment? Well, most of the credit goes to tis board, where I lurked for years, then studied like crazy before the trip.

But it was only after I returned home that I realized that I had been well prepared by 13 years as a regular at a nice midwest college town strip club. Now, this one was better than most, in that it offered full nudity on stage and mutual touching anywhere but the G-string during lap dances. And there were plenty of attractive girls.

But more to the point, the social scene there was much like at Palace. Girls hung out singly, in pairs, or with customers. They paraded around or approached customers, etc. And the social dynamics were essentially the same: girls selling a service. I was able to develop and practice all the skills necessary for success in an FKK: learning to say no, observation, assessment, practice in saying no, developing my club persona, choosing my lies, more saying no, etc. These any many more skills and strategies have been well discussed here in the past. No need to elaborate now. I concluded that strip clubs provide better cross-training for FKK life than actual mongering in less social venues.

It was only after reading recent negative comments here that I awoke to the obvious: not all strip clubs are the same.[/QUOTE]And this nice midwest college town is?

Are you perhaps living in Germany and thinking of traveling to the USA for its sex scene? Just kidding. The name of the college town doesn't matter. Tho off topic, I'll tell the story briefly.

In the early 1990s someone noticed that in Missouri laws restricting behavior in strip clubs were tied to establishments serving alcohol. There sprang up a proliferation of non-alcolholic "juice bars" all over the state that permitted the kind of wonderful laxity I described previously. Of course laws criminalizing prostitution remained in effect everywhere.

Then about 3 years ago the state legislature outlawed all sexual behavior of any kind (outside of marriage) , including sexual thoughts. Just kidding again. But they did squash the juice bar phenomenon. Now dancers must maintain at least 3 feet of space between themselves and customers (not kidding) , among other silly restrictions. Missouri's clubs went from maybe the best to maybe the worst.

[QUOTE=Atooz;1307498]Did you expect FKK prices to decrease when the exchange rate was over 1. 5 to 1 a few years ago? It is not obvious to me why the prices of services in Germany would be a function of foreign exchange rates, Euro to Dollar in particular, especially when the costs of generating the services in question are Euro denominated. I just read that deflation pressure in the Euro Zone is actually increasing.[/QUOTE]LOL. No I never expect prices to go DOWN. Do you?

And. It's not a function of foreign exchange rates. The fact that the Euro is falling means that every Euro in the purse of a hooker in an FKK is worth less than it was one year ago. That's fine as long as there isn't any inflation occurring simultaneously. But there usually is.

You can bank this though. If the currencies of Romania, Hungary, and all the places the little FKK girls come from start to outperform the Euro. You will see prices raised. It's economics.

[QUOTE=Arctic; 1307758]LOL. No I never expect prices to go DOWN. Do you?

And. It's not a function of foreign exchange rates. The fact that the Euro is falling means that every Euro in the purse of a hooker in an FKK is worth less than it was one year ago. That's fine as long as there isn't any inflation occurring simultaneously. But there usually is.

You can bank this though. If the currencies of Romania, Hungary, and all the places the little FKK girls come from start to outperform the Euro. You will see prices raised. It's economics.[/QUOTE]Lapdances in California used to be $5 a song. Now up to $40. Had nothing to do with inflation. Not sure why it has gone up so much. I don't think economics are directly tied to the price of ho's or strippers. Hoconomics has its own dynamics.

[QUOTE=Arctic;1307426]By the way. I've been expecting Fkk's to increase prices due to the falling Euro. Right now $1. 21 US Dollars equals 1 Euro and the FKK's are fast becoming an even more awesome deal for Americans. It seems the exchange rate on the Euro drops everyday.[/QUOTE]We've seen exchange rates from 0. 88 to 1. 58 US-$ for 1 EUR. Price for half an hour at a German FKK have been 50 EUR all the way through. Why should that depend on the exchange rate to the dollar? I get paid in EUR. I pay the girls in EUR. The take EUR back to their home countries, mostly EE.

HB

[quote=arctic;1307758]you can bank this though. if the currencies of romania, hungary, and all the places the little fkk girls come from start to outperform the euro. you will see prices raised. it's economics.[/quote]nope, its not. romanian lei was overperforming in 2007 and the romanian hooker prices stayed the same in germany. hungarian forint was overperforming in mid 2008 and prices of hungarian pussy in germany stayed the same.

in germany, prices have been same for 10 years now, and before that they were actually higher (100 dm charge for 30 min in room became 50€ but the exchange rate was dm 1. 95583 = €1). and it had been 100 dm for quite some time before that so looking back at 15 year history, price of pussy in germany has gone down, and considerably so when inflation is calculated into the price.

in spain the prices have gone down even more. girls in clubs where girls the asking price was 70-80€ for a 1/2 hour session few years back are now accepting 40-50€, and some of the most desperate ones are getting pretty close to blowing you just to get something warm to drink. it will probably go back up once the situation becomes better in that exact area and men have more money to blow. it will be unrelated to the exchange rate of the lei or the forint.

i would not try to make too much economic sense out of pussy price. there are other factors much more relevant that decide the price such as legality, stigma, pimps etc.

few years back there was actually a peer-reviewed journal that published a study of the pussy price where the research question was why an uneducated woman can charge so much for manual labour and what was the cause o the premium above other manual labour. it was pretty interesting. i tried finding it again but no success.

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager; 1307406]Just to let everyone know I have decided to change my name here on the forum. I am now StarletVoyager!

Thanks,

Mohab[/QUOTE]Nice name, but why didn't you just use the forum's name change facility instead of starting again from scratch?

[QUOTE=Cantil;1307410]It was only after reading recent negative comments here that I awoke to the obvious: not all strip clubs are the same.[/QUOTE]But take it from a pro. Most of them are! Hell, I've fucked in strip clubs before. Had my dick sucked. Pumped a hot girl in the ass. Done all kinds of shit. All in American strip clubs! But, that's far and away the exception for strip clubs across this land, and anybody in the know who is being honest knows it. If you've seen one, then partner you've pretty much seen them all! And as far as that "cross-training" goes? Brothers save your money and learn ON THE JOB at a FKK or terma or wherever. Any place but a USA strip club. Even with the mistakes you might make, you'll still come out way, way, WAY ahead. Any "benefits" derived from the strip clubs are FAR outweighed by the "harm". I rest.

Admin told me anyone over 100 posts can't change name. Anyway my new name reminds me of the mars voyager but I am instead searching the globe for the hottest hotties and not old rocks!

[QUOTE=Smokhee2003;1307844]I remember one guy posted that he had no trouble getting BB at FKKs if he paid a large sum of money. Why the fukk you would pay to get a disease is beyond me, but I wouldn't want to session with a girl who offers bareback. To paraphrase an old comedian, I would not want to be part of any girl who would have my bare member.[/QUOTE]And what would the situation be if the guy who got BBFS went on and saw a favorite girl of yours? She just blew a guy who had BBFS only an hour or two before, what's the take on this? Reason I'm bringing this up here is my 'take' on the decline of the Bernds lineup. They used to have a nice mix of girls there, something for everyone. On my last visit (and from reports on this board) it seems the talent has declined significantly. I enjoy my trips to the clubs but really don't want to take home something extra to remember a girl if at all possible. If a club is known for AO then it seems guys who like that service tend to frequent those types of clubs. Its only logical to assume that more people in one club partaking in AO increase's the chance of someone carrying a disease and passing it along.

The question is this: you as a regualar hobbiest, would you still visit a club after learning that half the women performed AO (bareback full service)? Personally I don't doubt it happens in the larger clubs, have to believe its not as often as say Bernds.

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1307766]Why should that depend on the exchange rate to the dollar? I get paid in EUR. I pay the girls in EUR. The take EUR back to their home countries, mostly EE.

HB[/QUOTE]Thanks HB, that's exactly my point.

IMHO, the only time when the exchange rate with the Dollar *may* affect prices in Germany is if Germany imports a great deal from the U.S. (and these are essential products and services and that there are no alternatives), so much so that it impacts the costs of living negatively for the German. Even then, the law of supply and demand still comes in play. And in today's economic climate, there is a great deal of surplus and excess capacity in the market place due to falling demands. This is true in the general economy and to some extent in the P4P industry. That's why deflation is more of a threat than inflation right now. (Be careful with what you wish for, deflation is much worse than inflation.)

Germany's eonomy is export driven. So a weaker euro slows it down as German good get more expensive. But we don't export pussy. For now.

HB

[QUOTE=Cantil; 1307729]Are you perhaps living in Germany and thinking of traveling to the USA for its sex scene? Just kidding. The name of the college town doesn't matter. Tho off topic, I'll tell the story briefly.

In the early 1990s someone noticed that in Missouri laws restricting behavior in strip clubs were tied to establishments serving alcohol. There sprang up a proliferation of non-alcolholic "juice bars" all over the state that permitted the kind of wonderful laxity I described previously. Of course laws criminalizing prostitution remained in effect everywhere.

Then about 3 years ago the state legislature outlawed all sexual behavior of any kind (outside of marriage) , including sexual thoughts. Just kidding again. But they did squash the juice bar phenomenon. Now dancers must maintain at least 3 feet of space between themselves and customers (not kidding) , among other silly restrictions. Missouri's clubs went from maybe the best to maybe the worst.[/QUOTE]Well, before internet, ISG adn FKKs, I used to go often to the US on business and would spend a lot of time in SCs. I knew this law that you refer to, and I had pretty good time in someplaces, in Florida, California, Michigan etc. The new law had been implemented. At the same time, I discovered FKKS. And just don't bother trying anything anymore in the US. The only place that is nice is San Diego because Tijuana is 15 min away.