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I went by 53 yesterday in the afternoon and then later after midnight and it looked closed. I did go to 22 yesterday and it seem like they are under new management now. BRL 15 entrance with 3 beers that is paid BEFORE entering. Prices for the girls are the same as before.
[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1109903]Is Clube 53 (Rua Sa' Ferreira. 53 in Copa) still open? If so, has anybody been there lately and how was it? If I remember correctly, it was managed by the Bar 22 guy so maybe worth checking out.
Also, has anyone been to Termas Black and White lately, in Bonsuccesso? [/QUOTE]I tried checking out Club 53 when I was in Rio in November. It is in a 3 story building, the door with number 53 on it is shut and locked and the third floor of the building is burnt out. So I guess the club is closed due to fire damage?
I also said I would check out B&W in my last week in Rio in November, but that coincided with "a guerra" in Zona Norte, so I didn't venture up North. I'd like to hear any reports before my return to Rio in June.
[QUOTE=Torgoch; 1110052]I tried checking out Club 53 when I was in Rio in November. It is in a 3 story building, the door with number 53 on it is shut and locked and the third floor of the building is burnt out. So I guess the club is closed due to fire damage?
[/QUOTE]They had a fire in August and have not reopened. Here's the article from ODIA:
[url]http://odia.terra.com.br/portal/rio/html/2010/8/incendio_destroi_termas_em_copacabana_104767.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:[/url]
+ODiaOnLine+ (O+Dia+On+Line)
[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1109903]Also, has anyone been to Termas Black and White lately, in Bonsuccesso?
I went to Black and White in August 2010. It was okay. Drinks were cheap. The music was good. The crowd was lively. However, the girl to guy ratio was very poor. There were some nice looking girls, but simply not enough girls. Most girls were already being groped by guys with ill intentions when I entered. Any unaccompanied girl that entered the bar was quickly spotted and surrounded by several rowdy men who were all simultaneously vying for her attention. After watching the scene for a while, I strategically set up shop near the entrance so that I could intercept any potential target as soon as she entered. My strategy paid off. I did manage to grab a slim, well-built. 19 year old, chocolate cutie named Karla. She was a little inexperienced, but she was very enthusiastic. She was also completa. Cost was R$70 for 30 minutes. The cabin was less than average in quality, clean but outdated with poor lighting. I returned to B&W in November looking for a specific girl I had seen in August. The ratio of guys to girls was again very poor, and it was Friday. The girl I wanted was not there, and I left without doing a session in November. I think it is worth a look if you interested, but I did not find B&W enticing enough to warrant multiple visits in August or November. Both times I went on a Friday night, and perhaps the ratio of guys to girls is more favorable on other nights of the week. I return to Rio in 10 days. I will likely make it to Bonsuccesso at least once during my stay. If so I will give a more up-to-date account.
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[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1109903]Also, has anyone been to Termas Black and White lately, in Bonsuccesso?
I went to Black and White in August 2010. It was okay. Drinks were cheap. The music was good. The crowd was lively. However, the girl to guy ratio was very poor. I think it is worth a look if you interested, but I did not find B&W enticing enough to warrant multiple visits in August or November. Both times I went on a Friday night, and perhaps the ratio of guys to girls is more favorable on other nights of the week. I return to Rio in 10 days. I will likely make it to Bonsuccesso at least once during my stay. If so I will give a more up-to-date account. [/QUOTE]How did you travel out there?
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[QUOTE=Trifecta; 1110131]How did you travel out there?[/QUOTE]I went with a group of friends both trips. There were 4 of us. A Brazilian friend drove us there. We have developed a relationship with this particular Brazilian over the years. While we do pay him, it is not nearly as much as we would pay a cab driver to get there and back. We paid him R$80 total which included stops at Black and White and Rio's American Bar. He was with us from 8p-1:30a. We stopped for food on the way back to Copa. Then he dropped each of us off at our apartment buildings. My portion of the transportation cost was only R$20, plus two coca-colas that I bought the driver at B&W. I am not sure how to get there by bus or metro. I too would be interested in knowing how to do it.
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[QUOTE=Bravo; 1110156]I am not sure how to get there by bus or metro. I too would be interested in knowing how to do it.[/QUOTE]The address is Avenida Paris 634 in Bonsucesso. Did a bit of a websearch.
Its nowhere near a metro stop. The nearest would be Maria de Graca and then take a taxi? It looks like 2 miles from the metro station to B&W on the map.
My Portuguese is not great but it looks like you can catch a Supervia train on the Saracuruna line from the Central train station in Centro. Looking at the timetable (attached) the trains are frequent and it takes 18 minutes. I've never use the urban train network in Rio so I don't know what it is like. From the map it looks like Av. Paris is on the other side of the main road from the train station and about a 750 m walk to the Termas.
The weblink is:
[url]http://www.supervia.com.br/site/abrangencias_e_mapas.php[/url]
I believe Puta Playa did some research into which bus to take. The problem would be knowing which at which stop to get of the bus on your first trip out there!
Hope this helps.
You can catch a van on Ave. NS for R$5. If I am not mistaken, it is Ponte 8/9 where you disembark. Local VW vans are R$2/3. Watch your back out there. Stay low, stay fast. Good hunting.
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[QUOTE=Bravo; 1110156]I went with a group of friends both trips. There were 4 of us. A Brazilian friend drove us there. We have developed a relationship with this particular Brazilian over the years. While we do pay him, it is not nearly as much as we would pay a cab driver to get there and back. We paid him R$80 total which included stops at Black and White and Rio's American Bar. He was with us from 8p-1:30a. We stopped for food on the way back to Copa. Then he dropped each of us off at our apartment buildings. My portion of the transportation cost was only R$20, plus two coca-colas that I bought the driver at B&W. I am not sure how to get there by bus or metro. I too would be interested in knowing how to do it.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Trifecta; 1110277]The address is Avenida Paris 634 in Bonsucesso. Did a bit of a websearch.
Its nowhere near a metro stop. The nearest would be Maria de Graca and then take a taxi? It looks like 2 miles from the metro station to B&W on the map.
I believe Puta Playa did some research into which bus to take. The problem would be knowing which at which stop to get of the bus on your first trip out there!
[/QUOTE]Yes, I did post bus info after seeing on Google Streetview that the 497 onibus stops right in front of B&W. See the link below. The 498 circular seems like a good option coming from Centro too, but it goes into kms and kms of favela before coming back to Centro. I don't see any schedules, if there even are any.
[url]http://www.rioonibus.com/guia_de_itinerarios/consultas/consulta-numero.asp?numero=497&ts=A[/url]
[url]http://www.rioonibus.com/guia_de_itinerarios/consultas/consulta-numero.asp?numero=498&ts=A[/url]
I like what you said, take the train from Central to Bonsuccesso Station and walk down Paris Ave. But if the place is good, it warrants a long night and the train might not be running then. For anyone going, I think it's good to do research in advance in case the train is not running. Like to find a different bus route to take you back from B&W to wherever you're going, say from the big street Ave Brasil that is around the corner.
This is good ISG material. To me, good mongering experiences are 30% about having the logistics down in advance so you aren't stressed out. Then 50% is about screening girls. Then the balance is in the details like cleanliness of the casa, prices, etc that we usually talk about.
So I think I'll learn the bus routes to and from B&W, but just use it as a backup plan. I recently learned the hard and very expensive way in another developing country about riding buses in offbeat urban areas. You can exude confidence, dress down, speak the language and all that. But if your skin color or accent is wrong, you're screwed. They know you DO have money on you, probably aren't armed due to having flown in, and there is no crowd justice from bystanders so. Like Amerioca said. Gotta watch our backs and stay low. If not, stay fast.
After two years remodeling, The Hotel Le Méridien "soft" reopened as the Hotel Windser Atlantica on 12/31/10 in Leme. Only 120 rooms are currently available between the 21st and 35th floors. (The hotel has 39 floors.) The hotel is scheduled to officially open on Feb 20th. Rooms start at $R490 per day. A 5 night stay during Carnaval will cost you R$2364. 00.
I post this information, as there was speculation that a Night Club, a New "Help," was being installed in the facility. There is no mention of a nightclub at the hotel's website nor in the Oglobo report. But it has a bar. Anyone on the ground care to check it out?
[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2011/01/08/depois-de-reforma-que-se-estendeu-por-dois-anos-predio-do-antigo-meridien-renasce-como-windsor-atlantica-923456034.asp[/url]
[url]http://www.windsorhoteis.com.br/br/hoteis/Windsor_Atlantica-12-apresentacao.aspx[/url]
Don't raise your hopes too much. This is an old, fuddy duddy management style hotel where they frown at the kind of activities we love and enjoy. There would be a lot of bobbing and weaving, cloak and dagger to get any kind of play out of the place. Worst of all we are hoping they let the old Help atmostphere in their building? Never say never, but I must say, that is a one in one million chance of that happening there.
[QUOTE=Java Man; 1110415]After two years remodeling, The Hotel Le Méridien "soft" reopened as the Hotel Windser Atlantica on 12/31/10 in Leme. Only 120 rooms are currently available between the 21st and 35th floors. (The hotel has 39 floors.) The hotel is scheduled to officially open on Feb 20th. Rooms start at $R490 per day. A 5 night stay during Carnaval will cost you R$2364. 00.
I post this information, as there was speculation that a Night Club, a New "Help," was being installed in the facility. There is no mention of a nightclub at the hotel's website nor in the Oglobo report. But it has a bar. Anyone on the ground care to check it out?
[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2011/01/08/depois-de-reforma-que-se-estendeu-por-dois-anos-predio-do-antigo-meridien-renasce-como-windsor-atlantica-923456034.asp[/url]
[url]http://www.windsorhoteis.com.br/br/hoteis/Windsor_Atlantica-12-apresentacao.aspx[/url]
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[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1110427]Don't raise your hopes too much. This is an old, fuddy duddy management style hotel where they frown at the kind of activities we love and enjoy. There would be a lot of bobbing and weaving, cloak and dagger to get any kind of play out of the place. Worst of all we are hoping they let the old Help atmostphere in their building? Never say never, but I must say, that is a one in one million chance of that happening there.[/QUOTE]I think guys need to be happy that we at least have Balcony and Dolce Vida! It may not be equal to Help, but at least its something! We can forget about there being another Help in copa until at least the Olympics are over.
[QUOTE=Torgoch; 1110295][QUOTE=Trifecta; 1110277]The address is Avenida Paris 634 in Bonsucesso. Did a bit of a websearch.
Its nowhere near a metro stop. The nearest would be Maria de Graca and then take a taxi? It looks like 2 miles from the metro station to B&W on the map.
My Portuguese is not great but it looks like you can catch a Supervia train on the Saracuruna line from the Central train station in Centro. Looking at the timetable (attached) the trains are frequent and it takes 18 minutes. I've never use the urban train network in Rio so I don't know what it is like. From the map it looks like Av. Paris is on the other side of the main road from the train station and about a 750 m walk to the Termas.
The weblink is:
[url]http://www.supervia.com.br/site/abrangencias_e_mapas.php[/url]
I believe Puta Playa did some research into which bus to take. The problem would be knowing which at which stop to get of the bus on your first trip out there!
Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]I ventured out and went there this past November with a local friend; not worth the risk! This place is a hole in the wall reminded me of an old biker bar! Bonsucesso is also very dangerous I get out in Rio and venture everywhere but this was the only spot that felt. Well just not right, speaking of the neighborhood!
The talent was not very good maybe one doable, I counted 7 girls when I was there; in my opinion not worth the long ride or the possible risk!
If any one is interested, the porn star Claudia Bella is now working at Luomo. She is not as hot as she once was but such is life.
Hi,
I am a Rio native and I recommend you, foreigners to avoid suburb trains (supervia). It is complicated to use, dirt and it can be dangerous sometimes get a cab. R$50 (max) and avoid problems.
BR