Medellin Reports

[b]I thought you said your dog doesn't bite? [/b]

[QUOTE=Param Ahmad; 1100253]I would tell all my employees dealing honesty with customers is a requirement of working for me.

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At the entrance I asked and was told entry was "libre" (free) , and nothing was said about a minimum drink purchase requirement until I was inside and sat down. [/QUOTE]You walked all the way inside? And nothing was said about being able to stay for hours without spending money until you sat down and were greeted by the waiter? And then you got up and left? Not only did you waste 3 whole minutes possibly more, you trudged all the way from Centro in the rain hauling that water bottle just to end up being decieved and taken advantage of, not to mention how much money you spent on the airfare and the hostal and other expenses, punitive damages and so on.

I smell lawsuit!

All humor aside (there was humor?) , customers who do not pay for goods and services are not customers and what type of business owners doesn't want customers? Supply and demand in a free market dictates that the owner impose whatever policies in order to run the business sucessfully.

You are the owner, do you want all 20 of your tables (that seat 4) occupied by one guy drinking water?

Your mistake was asking the wrong question or being clueless as to how businesses run. Next time ask the doorman,"I only drink water, I bought my own, I don't spend much money, I am by myself and just want to come in and take up a table and stay for a few hours, talk to some women and MAYBE just MAYBE take one to the back room if she so happens to meet my standards and will come down in price to what I would pay in the Centro casas"

You have some sort of policy about delaing in honesty, cierto?

The problem was [b]YOU were not honest and up front[/b], you are not a good customer, you represent a negative impact on sales. You cost the owner money by going in.

You left so it was a win win situation for you and the owner.

I love happy endings.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1100801]Param Ahmad is absolutely correct in his assesment of general quality of the 'el central chicas[/QUOTE]True! Ya got to weed though a lot in the centro casas and strip clubs. I don't know how some of these guys could even admit to being with alot of these women but to each his own, beauty [b]is[/b] In the eye of the beholder. If one has high standards and is looking for non flabby well built providers that turn heads it could take a long time in centro clubs and casas! Happy hunting.

Personally I want to applause Param Ahmad for an excellent report. Haven't being back to Colombia for a few years now, a report like this updates what is happening in the wonderland. Very discouraging though when putting time and efforts to write a report but got slammed by others just because they think differently.

I have been to Spain and Colombia several times each, but I wouldn't say girls are prettier in one country over the other. Each is unique in its own way but both are fun destinations for Gentlemen. Actually you will find a lot of Colombian girls in Spain as well, but you won't know until they speak. Moneywise Colombia definitely costs a lot less than Spain. If the stay is less than 1-2 weeks, and cost is not a concern, I would choose Spain over Colombia whether it was Madrid, Barcelona or Costa del Sol, for safety and all different activities you can do other than mongering. If receiving GFE or developing some kind of relationship with a young girl, working or not, over an extended stay is the focus, then one can definitely do better in Colombia than in Spain. Not too many young Spanish girls will go out with guys 10-20 years older.

Part of the fun of being a writer is seeing other's reactions. My report on Medellin has elicited a lot of reactions! Another goal writers have, and one of mine, is changing what's wrong with the world. I appreciate the complements about my writing style and the content of my report from The Tall Man, John, and Viajando Musico. I've benefited from information in previous reports on ISG, particularly about Spain. Without the ISG I wouldn't have known about most of the places I checked out in Medellin. I wanted to add information that would be useful to you guys.

[QUOTE]What DID you come to Medellin for?[/QUOTE][QUOTE]You said before that you didn't come to Medellin for the women. So when were YOU being dishonest, then or now? By the way, I'll bet you a bottle of water that you do return.[/QUOTE]The second writer is referring to my saying "I won't be back to Medellin seeking female company." I didn't mean to imply I originally came to Medellin seeking female company. I came to Medellin for health care. If I return to Medellin, it will be for the same reason. Google "medical tourism" or "Americans leaving America for health care" to learn more about this.

[QUOTE]The doorman was telling you the truth. You asked if there was an entry fee and he said no. You got in without paying, right?[/QUOTE]You could look at it that way. But most of the time, when I ask what it costs to enter or if it's free, I'm told if there is a one or two drink minimum.

[QUOTE]The multitude of men that come to see and pay for play with the girls could give two shits about such a minor "perceived" infraction.[/QUOTE]That's true, which is why it continues. It's sometimes called bait and switch.

[QUOTE]The problem was [B]YOU were not honest and up front[/B], you are not a good customer, you represent a negative impact on sales. You cost the owner money by going in.[/QUOTE]There's nothing dishonest about asking if it will cost me anything to take a look. Too many times I've paid a cover charge, as much as $30 (US currency) , only to see within one minute after entering I've wasted my money. As for being a good customer, I've paid, if memory serves me correctly, $60 or more (US) just to buy a pretty young woman a drink at Hot in Madrid, half of which went to the club, not the girl. But many of the girls at Hot were stunningly beautiful and well worth the price, even after I found out I'd picked one of the girls who was only a dancer and who never spent time alone in a private room with the club's customers. I recall spending close to $100 (US) in a single night buying drinks for a girl employed by a club in Athens, Greece, and thinking her company was worth the cost even though we never went beyond holding hands in the club's main room. I might have spent as much or more at San Diego Grill had I not been confronted with a demand I buy a drink I didn't want or need.

[QUOTE]Hmmm....I might have to call bullshit here (or suspect bullshit), as the doorman most certainly did not say "libre", but would have said "gratis" to mean "free." Libre is not used in Spanish to refer to free in the monetary senes, but in the sense of "liberty" or "free pass" or used in duty free, at times, as something of a bastardization....So, I guess this makes me wonder about the veracity of your post...Just saying...[/QUOTE]The doorman was replying to my question, which is usually "Quanto para entrar?" (How much to enter?) or "Es libre a entrar?" (Is free to enter?). If the choice of words was incorrect, it was because of my limited knowledge of Spanish. I think he did repeat "libre" after he heard it from me (something like "Si, libre").

Gentlemen, it's annoying to be accused of being dishonest when I was accurate in every detail.

[QUOTE]I agree amigo, sometimes you have to do lots of hunting to find 'your keeper' ... [/QUOTE]I assume you mean a prostitute you'll see more than once or twice."Keeper" usually refers to a girlfriend or wife rather than to a prostitute. In some places, it's easier to find a pretty girlfriend than a pretty prostitute! Medellin seemed to me to be such a place. I saw a lot of pretty girls in Medellin in public squares and on sidewalks, but I saw only one prostitute with a pretty face, and none except the black girl at Abydos had a really good figure.

[QUOTE]... and the quality definitely runs in cycles, from very disappointing to 'damn, it's my lucky day'.[/QUOTE]This is true: I can remember when seeing the girls behind windows in the Brussels, Belgium red light district (RLD) was disappointing. A few years went by and I was amazed by how many great looking women I saw there. So the selection in Medellin may at times be better than when I was there.

One last bit of useful information for future visitors to Medellin: It took me a little more than one full hour and 75, 000 pesos ($40 US) to get from Medellin to the airport in a taxi.

[QUOTE=Param Ahmad;1101025]One last bit of useful information for future visitors to Medellin: It took me a little more than one full hour and 75, 000 pesos ($40 US) to get from Medellin to the airport in a taxi.[/QUOTE]There are two unfortunate possibilities:

1. You were ripped off.

2. You are misrepresenting the facts.

I'm not sure which is worse but in any case the taxi fare between Medellin and the MDE airport is fixed at 52, 000 pesos. However long the traffic may extend the travel time.

why don't more people take the bus from the airport? it's friendly, it takes a little longer but the cost is only 6k. you can take a bus to close to where you want to go, and then a taxi say for another 6k, and save 40k. what's wrong with that?

chesrep001

[QUOTE=Knowledge; 1101059]There are two unfortunate possibilities:

I'm not sure which is worse but in any case the taxi fare between Medellin and the MDE airport is fixed at 52, 000 pesos. However long the traffic may extend the travel time. [/QUOTE]As of last week, the fare was 55K per the posted medallion / sticker in the cabs-not sure if this differs by cab company to cab company though?

[QUOTE=Agwood69; 1099461]Guys,

I have been a lurker here for a few months but this is my first post.

Unfortunately my first post here is not a trip report or anything fun like that, I am posting here because I need a little help.

A little about me first, I am a private security contractor working overseas. Spent many years in the active USA Military but after September 11th I was recruited to use my skills in a much more lucrative way. I am still associated with a reserve component though.

A few months ago I met a great Colombian girl online, from Medellin in fact. We talk online a lot and we have become fantastic friends. I started to notice that she would avoid a lot of questions about her past work experiences and what she does for money currently as she said she was unemployed.

Over time she and I entered into a relationship and she calls me her boyfriend, which is fine as I truly care about her and consider her my Girlfriend. She has asked me to spend Christmas and New years with her in Medellin and I have agreed.

One of my co-workers one day told me that I should check this site to see if she was a working girl because things just didn't seem to add up. And sure enough there are some reports about her here and some pictures.

I spoke with her about this (not referencing this site or any one specifically) and her response was that she told me there were things that were going to have to talk about when I get there.

She has told me that she is no longer working, and has not for many months and she explained to me that she used to work for a few days in La Mayorista and she used to go to the Mansion a few times to make money when she needed it.

I do not really care what she has done in her past. Seriously I don't know what has touched her life and what difficulties she has had to deal with. I am only concerned about what she is doing now.

On her own accord She has deleted her RomanceLatina profile, she has removed many people from her Facebook page and she comes almost everyday to chat with me in MSN. I am ready to make a long term commitment to her as she is truly a sweet and amazing woman.

Her name is Carolina, or some say Karolina. She is very small and has an ever so slight cleft lip which I do not think detracts from her beauty at all.

But there are just some things that leave me uncomfortable, and truly I would rather spend time with my friends or Parents over Christmas if she has been dishonest with me about her working status.

I work way too hard and have far too much to loose if she is playing me, lying to me or not telling me the truth about what she is doing and has been doing for the past few months. I am a pretty serious guy, I do some pretty serious work and I just don't need anything like this in my life now or ever.

I would rather bow out silently than waste my time and effort coming to Medellin to see her.

I know no one here owes me anything, but I am just reaching out to figure a few things out before I buy a plane ticket to go to Medellin.

Thank you in advance for your help,

Agwood[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Agwood69; 1099461]Guys,

I have been a lurker here for a few months but this is my first post.

Unfortunately my first post here is not a trip report or anything fun like that, I am posting here because I need a little help.

A little about me first, I am a private security contractor working overseas. Spent many years in the active USA Military but after September 11th I was recruited to use my skills in a much more lucrative way. I am still associated with a reserve component though.

A few months ago I met a great Colombian girl online, from Medellin in fact. We talk online a lot and we have become fantastic friends. I started to notice that she would avoid a lot of questions about her past work experiences and what she does for money currently as she said she was unemployed.

Over time she and I entered into a relationship and she calls me her boyfriend, which is fine as I truly care about her and consider her my Girlfriend. She has asked me to spend Christmas and New years with her in Medellin and I have agreed.

One of my co-workers one day told me that I should check this site to see if she was a working girl because things just didn't seem to add up. And sure enough there are some reports about her here and some pictures.

I spoke with her about this (not referencing this site or any one specifically) and her response was that she told me there were things that were going to have to talk about when I get there.

She has told me that she is no longer working, and has not for many months and she explained to me that she used to work for a few days in La Mayorista and she used to go to the Mansion a few times to make money when she needed it.

I do not really care what she has done in her past. Seriously I don't know what has touched her life and what difficulties she has had to deal with. I am only concerned about what she is doing now.

On her own accord She has deleted her RomanceLatina profile, she has removed many people from her Facebook page and she comes almost everyday to chat with me in MSN. I am ready to make a long term commitment to her as she is truly a sweet and amazing woman.

Her name is Carolina, or some say Karolina. She is very small and has an ever so slight cleft lip which I do not think detracts from her beauty at all.

But there are just some things that leave me uncomfortable, and truly I would rather spend time with my friends or Parents over Christmas if she has been dishonest with me about her working status.

I work way too hard and have far too much to loose if she is playing me, lying to me or not telling me the truth about what she is doing and has been doing for the past few months. I am a pretty serious guy, I do some pretty serious work and I just don't need anything like this in my life now or ever.

I would rather bow out silently than waste my time and effort coming to Medellin to see her.

I know no one here owes me anything, but I am just reaching out to figure a few things out before I buy a plane ticket to go to Medellin.

Thank you in advance for your help,

Agwood[/QUOTE]

At the risk of being "flamed" by many of the veterans (cynics / realists?) on this board I am going to give my take on Agwood69's questions.

When I arrived in Medellin my Spanish was minimal. It is now at the point where I can hold my own reasonably well, although it is still far from good. Also I should point out that I am well past my prime, and am far from being a Brad Pitt lookalike, although I am in good shape for my age.

My time living here has taught me that the more I learn about the culture in Colombia the more I realise I have still to learn. If anything learning the culture has been a greater challenge (although lots of fun) than the language. I have been lucky enough to make friends with a number of "regular" Colombians. Male and female. In addition to the relationship that I am currently in with a beautiful yound Paisa.

How do I define the word "relationship"? Well, I have the things that I want out of it. Companionship with a lovely, personable, very attractive girl which of course includes a very loving sexual component. She gets the financial help that she needs in order to improve her prospects for a better life, isn't in a financial position where she needs to prostitute herself with other gringos, and from time to time gets to go with me on vacations that are beyond anything she could have dreamed. Also I treat her with the utmost respect and pamper her with regalos, clothes etc.

Does she have another life beyond her life with me? Of course, and it's one that I will never be able to enter, even if I wanted to, which I don't. Having said that, I believe that there are certain essentials that as a gringo must be met for an arrangement like this to succeed over a period of time:

1) there must be a "connection" between both parties at some level beyond the basic "sex for money." For this language is only one. Although one extremely important. Component.

2) honesty. Again on both sides. Is critical. This is where I fully expect to be flamed, but all I will say is that she knows that the very first time I catch her lying to me, it's over. And so far I haven't caught her lying.

3) trust. This is a biggy for me, and it has taken me a very long time to reach the point where I feel that I can trust her.

4) have a budget and be sure to stay within it. They will push until they find your limit, so it's important to know what that limit is.

I do want to emphasise the importance of these things. Without them I don't see how any long term relationship could possibly have any chance of success. Even living here, the odds are incredibly long. From outside of the country? Well, I suppose it could happen, but it would take two highly unusual and committed people.

I don't know Carolina, but I was impressed with Cubanut's comments about her.

To finish, yes the girl I am with would be known to some of you (perhaps a lot of you) on this board if I were to identify her. As anyone who has got to know one of these girls reasonably well will verify, what we see of them when we come to Medellin on mongering vacations doesn't begin to scratch the surface of the real person. And as someone else on this board has said, there are all types out there, bad and good. You'd better be a good judge of character and even then who really knows? All I can say for myself is that I'm living a life that wouldn't be possible in the States. At some point one of us willl end it, and when that happens I want to be able to say that I have no regrets.

And by the way, if you want to know what Colombians really think about gringos who come down here to monger, get into a relationship with one. It isn't nice.

[QUOTE=Trntndr; 1101097]At the risk of being "flamed" by many of the veterans (cynics / realists?) on this board I am going to give my take on Agwood69's questions.

When I arrived in Medellin my Spanish was minimal. It is now at the point where I can hold my own reasonably well, although it is still far from good. Also I should point out that I am well past my prime, and am far from being a Brad Pitt lookalike, although I am in good shape for my age.

My time living here has taught me that the more I learn about the culture in Colombia the more I realise I have still to learn. If anything learning the culture has been a greater challenge (although lots of fun) than the language. I have been lucky enough to make friends with a number of "regular" Colombians. Male and female. In addition to the relationship that I am currently in with a beautiful yound Paisa.

How do I define the word "relationship"? Well, I have the things that I want out of it. Companionship with a lovely, personable, very attractive girl which of course includes a very loving sexual component. She gets the financial help that she needs in order to improve her prospects for a better life, isn't in a financial position where she needs to prostitute herself with other gringos, and from time to time gets to go with me on vacations that are beyond anything she could have dreamed. Also I treat her with the utmost respect and pamper her with regalos, clothes etc.

Does she have another life beyond her life with me? Of course, and it's one that I will never be able to enter, even if I wanted to, which I don't. Having said that, I believe that there are certain essentials that as a gringo must be met for an arrangement like this to succeed over a period of time:

1) there must be a "connection" between both parties at some level beyond the basic "sex for money." For this language is only one. Although one extremely important. Component.

2) honesty. Again on both sides. Is critical. This is where I fully expect to be flamed, but all I will say is that she knows that the very first time I catch her lying to me, it's over. And so far I haven't caught her lying.

3) trust. This is a biggy for me, and it has taken me a very long time to reach the point where I feel that I can trust her.

4) have a budget and be sure to stay within it. They will push until they find your limit, so it's important to know what that limit is.

I do want to emphasise the importance of these things. Without them I don't see how any long term relationship could possibly have any chance of success. Even living here, the odds are incredibly long. From outside of the country? Well, I suppose it could happen, but it would take two highly unusual and committed people.

I don't know Carolina, but I was impressed with Cubanut's comments about her.

To finish, yes the girl I am with would be known to some of you (perhaps a lot of you) on this board if I were to identify her. As anyone who has got to know one of these girls reasonably well will verify, what we see of them when we come to Medellin on mongering vacations doesn't begin to scratch the surface of the real person. And as someone else on this board has said, there are all types out there, bad and good. You'd better be a good judge of character and even then who really knows? All I can say for myself is that I'm living a life that wouldn't be possible in the States. At some point one of us willl end it, and when that happens I want to be able to say that I have no regrets.

And by the way, if you want to know what Colombians really think about gringos who come down here to monger, get into a relationship with one. It isn't nice. [/QUOTE]Excellent post and advice.

You have something nice and you're real and honest about it.

How could ya argue with that?

[QUOTE=Param Ahmad; 1100253]What's amazing about Medellin, and probably why so many men rave about the City as a sex tourism destination, is how cheap prostitution is: A typical price is 30, 000 Colombian pesos ($15. 79 in US currency) for 30 minutes. That is without question cheapest prostitution I've found anywhere.

For me, there are two problems with most of the prostitution in Medellin: (1) With only one exception (a black girl at Abydos) , all the girls or women working in these places I saw were overweight, and I saw exactly one pretty face (which was that of the girl I chose at Fase II). There are pretty young, thin women in Medellin, but none I've seen were working as prostitutes. On the other hand, if you like women with big bubble butts and don't care if a woman has a pretty face, Medellin is your place. The girls at these central Medellin casas or apartments are almost all caucasian and young. [/QUOTE]Caucasian and young, and have had a baby. Yep, that's Medellin all right. Popular as a sex destination because it's cheap. Repeat: because it is CHEAP. It's true you will find that some of South America's finiest bodies wind up in Spain, or Italy, Geneva, Germany but there they are priced out of reach of the guy who can afford Medellin. The best a poor guy can do is try to find a young girl in Medellin down on her luck and take advantage of her cheap pricing before she moves on to the higher leagues that he can't afforder.

[quote=chesrep001; 1101064]why don't more people take the bus from the airport? it's friendly, it takes a little longer but the cost is only 6k. you can take a bus to close to where you want to go, and then a taxi say for another 6k, and save 40k. what's wrong with that?

chesrep001[/quote]the answer is very simple for me, safety.

i ride the bus systems in colombia all the time but never when leaving the airport. a monger's most vulnerable time is when he walks out of the airport, it is the only time in which you have (or should have) all of your money, electronics, passport and other valuables in your possession. on the bus you will have many sets of eyes on you and they all will know that you have all of your valuables with you. the odds are slim but if you get robbed you will lose everything, for a little more than twenty dollars i get into a taxi that i myself called, make note of the taxi number and make sure the driver sees me doing so and go straight to my hotel or apartment to put my money and passport in the safe and secure my other things.

just one mongers opinion.

I agree with the prior posting. The other reason to take a taxi rather than the bus is because the bus drops you off somewhere in downtown MDE and not close to your final destination in El Poblado, Laureles, etc. Or where most of us would be staying. This means that you are standing on some random corner with all your luggage and valuables hoping you select the right taxi, hoping its not raining, and hoping no one hassles you while your waiting. Additionally, if I fly to MDE from the US, my flight arrives in the later evening, which compounds the safety issue.

[QUOTE=Trntndr; 1101097]At the risk of being "flamed" by many of the veterans (cynics / realists?) on this board I am going to give my take on Agwood69's questions.

When I arrived in Medellin my Spanish was minimal. It is now at the point where I can hold my own reasonably well, although it is still far from good. Also I should point out that I am well past my prime, and am far from being a Brad Pitt lookalike, although I am in good shape for my age.

My time living here has taught me that the more I learn about the culture in Colombia the more I realise I have still to learn. If anything learning the culture has been a greater challenge (although lots of fun) than the language. I have been lucky enough to make friends with a number of "regular" Colombians. Male and female. In addition to the relationship that I am currently in with a beautiful yound Paisa.

How do I define the word "relationship"? Well, I have the things that I want out of it. Companionship with a lovely, personable, very attractive girl which of course includes a very loving sexual component. She gets the financial help that she needs in order to improve her prospects for a better life, isn't in a financial position where she needs to prostitute herself with other gringos, and from time to time gets to go with me on vacations that are beyond anything she could have dreamed. Also I treat her with the utmost respect and pamper her with regalos, clothes etc.

Does she have another life beyond her life with me? Of course, and it's one that I will never be able to enter, even if I wanted to, which I don't. Having said that, I believe that there are certain essentials that as a gringo must be met for an arrangement like this to succeed over a period of time:

1) there must be a "connection" between both parties at some level beyond the basic "sex for money." For this language is only one. Although one extremely important. Component.

2) honesty. Again on both sides. Is critical. This is where I fully expect to be flamed, but all I will say is that she knows that the very first time I catch her lying to me, it's over. And so far I haven't caught her lying.

3) trust. This is a biggy for me, and it has taken me a very long time to reach the point where I feel that I can trust her.

4) have a budget and be sure to stay within it. They will push until they find your limit, so it's important to know what that limit is.

I do want to emphasise the importance of these things. Without them I don't see how any long term relationship could possibly have any chance of success. Even living here, the odds are incredibly long. From outside of the country? Well, I suppose it could happen, but it would take two highly unusual and committed people.

I don't know Carolina, but I was impressed with Cubanut's comments about her.

To finish, yes the girl I am with would be known to some of you (perhaps a lot of you) on this board if I were to identify her. As anyone who has got to know one of these girls reasonably well will verify, what we see of them when we come to Medellin on mongering vacations doesn't begin to scratch the surface of the real person. And as someone else on this board has said, there are all types out there, bad and good. You'd better be a good judge of character and even then who really knows? All I can say for myself is that I'm living a life that wouldn't be possible in the States. At some point one of us willl end it, and when that happens I want to be able to say that I have no regrets.

And by the way, if you want to know what Colombians really think about gringos who come down here to monger, get into a relationship with one. It isn't nice. [/QUOTE]I have a similar but not identical situation and the way I look at it is if you are getting what you want out of the relationship and are comfortable with the "cost" and she is also then there is nothing wrong with it. Read and listen to others' advise but at the end of the day it is you that has to live by your decisions so listen to your heart and nobody else.