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[QUOTE=Vendelo;2933862]I've been to Thailand 12+ times since 2019. Had two GFs.

I am curious. I think I know the answer. But how have current girls changed and why have they changed from the girls 20 years ago? Economic opportunity?[/QUOTE]Certainly economic opportunity has affected the p4p scene, but the changes I speak of are not changes to girls, but to me. Economy does not affect me as far as regular girls are concerned simply because I never pay them anything, neither then nor now.

The change for me is that girls that would be easy to chat up and get to bed 20 years ago, when I was still young, fit, and handsome (ok, not all that handsome to be honest), I'm now fighting an uphill battle to get.

Before I would just smile and say Hi, and they'd already be interested, if not necessarily bending over there and then while standing in line at the 7-11. We'd continue talking in pidgin english / thai, and except if she really had a BF, 9/10 times we'd exchange line info, and probably half of those times we'd end up meeting again for noodles, and most of those times, we'd end up in bed afterwards. It was so easy that unless a girl had a genuine reason for not going back to my place then, I'd not even bother to invite them out again to "seal the deal", even if they wanted me to.

If I do the same now to the same hot looking 20-25 year regular girl, I will usually not get anything more than a polite Hi back, and it will be an uphill battle to get her interested.

Some examples:

- On the MRT going back from a fiwfan girl the other day (a mrt station five hops off from Sukhumvit, so not the most farang populated area) there was a really beautiful student girl spending several minutes looking at her reflection in the barriers they have on the subway stations here, while fixing her really long beautiful hair.

It was rather beautiful to watch her getting it all nice and tidy and in place. I walked up to her, said Hi, made a joke. She said a polite Hi back, but in her attitude I could see there wasn't much interest, and I would be fighting uphill to even get her line-info.

- Similar thing day before yesterday. I was on BTS Asoke and was taking the train just one station (it was raining). Noticed a pretty girl next to me also waiting on the train, chatted for half a minute before the train arrived, and another half minute in the train, before I asked her if she wanted to exchange line info, as I was getting of at the next station and that was all the time I had. She was not interested. I'm thinking with a couple of more minutes, maybe she'd get interested enough (I could see the signs), but 20 years ago, I wouldn't need those extra minutes.

Now, things are not hopeless. E. g. , I recently met a 22 yo TF girl at terminal 21 near closing time. She was there because she was bored, and I was walking past terminal 21 on my way back after gym and dinner. We had been chatting a bit back and forth that evening. She wasn't all that interested in meeting me it sounded like on chat, but since I was walking past anyway, I said I'd come meet her there after exchanging line-info (whatsapp-like app, but better).

When I arrived I messaged her and she said she was in the bathroom on third floor, so I waited nearby, and we met. I turned on the little charm I have, then just started walking out terminal 21 (it was close to 10, so closing). We ended up walking for 25 minutes all the way to my place, interrupted by the occasional "where are we going", "hahaha, I don't understand why I am walking with you now", "it's so far".

She spent the night, and the next day I took her to lunch (I work more or less full-time while here), just because I'm a polite guy.

But this girl was I guess a 6/10 (just for reference I'd rate the average bar-girl I see here in Bangkok as 2/10 or something like that), and bored. I just happened to be there at the right time. 20 years ago, she'd be an 8/10, with plenty of both young thai guys and old farangs (like me now) pestering her for dates. 20 years ago, it'd be that really pretty student girl doing her hair on the MRT station, or the somewhat less pretty (7. 5/10?) girl on the BTS.

So: yes, it's a lot easier to date "young pretty things" here in Thailand than in the west, but anyone thinking it does not matter if you're the age of her dad / grandad, or someone from the same generation as herself is fooling himself. It matters. Just it matters less than in the west.
I still have opportunities and I still bang girls half my age, but the opportunities are fewer, and I have to work much harder at them.

Well, this turned into a rather long-winded and probably boring story. My apologies.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2934038]Certainly economic opportunity has affected the p4p scene, but the changes I speak of are not changes to girls, but to me. Economy does not affect me as far as regular girls are concerned simply because I never pay them anything, neither then nor now.

The change for me is that girls that would be easy to chat up and get to bed 20 years ago, when I was still young, fit, and handsome (ok, not all that handsome to be honest), I'm now fighting an uphill battle to get.

Before I would just smile and say Hi, and they'd already be interested, if not necessarily bending over there and then while standing in line at the 7-11. We'd continue talking in pidgin english / thai, and except if she really had a BF, 9/10 times we'd exchange line info, and probably half of those times we'd end up meeting again for noodles, and most of those times, we'd end up in bed afterwards. It was so easy that unless a girl had a genuine reason for not going back to my place then, I'd not even bother to invite them out again to "seal the deal", even if they wanted me to.

If I do the same now to the same hot looking 20-25 year regular girl, I will usually not get anything more than a polite Hi back, and it will be an uphill battle to get her interested.

Some examples:

- On the MRT going back from a fiwfan girl the other day (a mrt station five hops off from Sukhumvit, so not the most farang populated area) there was a really beautiful student girl spending several minutes looking at her reflection in the barriers they have on the subway stations here, while fixing her really long beautiful hair.

It was rather beautiful to watch her getting it all nice and tidy and in place. I walked up to her, said Hi, made a joke. She said a polite Hi back, but in her attitude I could see there wasn't much interest, and I would be fighting uphill to even get her line-info.

- Similar thing day before yesterday. I was on BTS Asoke and was taking the train just one station (it was raining). Noticed a pretty girl next to me also waiting on the train, chatted for half a minute before the train arrived, and another half minute in the train, before I asked her if she wanted to exchange line info, as I was getting of at the next station and that was all the time I had. She was not interested. I'm thinking with a couple of more minutes, maybe she'd get interested enough (I could see the signs), but 20 years ago, I wouldn't need those extra minutes.

Now, things are not hopeless. E. g. , I recently met a 22 yo TF girl at terminal 21 near closing time. She was there because she was bored, and I was walking past terminal 21 on my way back after gym and dinner. We had been chatting a bit back and forth that evening. She wasn't all that interested in meeting me it sounded like on chat, but since I was walking past anyway, I said I'd come meet her there after exchanging line-info (whatsapp-like app, but better).

When I arrived I messaged her and she said she was in the bathroom on third floor, so I waited nearby, and we met. I turned on the little charm I have, then just started walking out terminal 21 (it was close to 10, so closing). We ended up walking for 25 minutes all the way to my place, interrupted by the occasional "where are we going", "hahaha, I don't understand why I am walking with you now", "it's so far".

She spent the night, and the next day I took her to lunch (I work more or less full-time while here), just because I'm a polite guy.

But this girl was I guess a 6/10 (just for reference I'd rate the average bar-girl I see here in Bangkok as 2/10 or something like that), and bored. I just happened to be there at the right time. 20 years ago, she'd be an 8/10, with plenty of both young thai guys and old farangs (like me now) pestering her for dates. 20 years ago, it'd be that really pretty student girl doing her hair on the MRT station, or the somewhat less pretty (7. 5/10?) girl on the BTS.

So: yes, it's a lot easier to date "young pretty things" here in Thailand than in the west, but anyone thinking it does not matter if you're the age of her dad / grandad, or someone from the same generation as herself is fooling himself. It matters. Just it matters less than in the west.
I still have opportunities and I still bang girls half my age, but the opportunities are fewer, and I have to work much harder at them.

Well, this turned into a rather long-winded and probably boring story. My apologies.[/QUOTE]No need to apologize and thanks a ton for taking the time to write about your experience.

I've been to 42 countries. The first time I visited BKK I was shocked at the quantity of beautiful girls. Tokyo, Florence, Sao Paulo, Mexico City, Phnom Peng* and HK don't come close.

*The upper echelon of PP girls is staggering. Educated and stylish.

I've only engaged working girls in Thailand but have always been intrigued by civvies. I'll be in Phuket next month so will definitely try to approach the civvie in a mall, 7 Eleven, restaurant.

[QUOTE=TConor;2933988]Only 220 fee and Schwab debit card will pay you back at the end of the month. Slight diff as the month goes on if you do multiple withdrawals and as exchange rate changes.[/QUOTE]Fidelity refunds the 220 baht fee same as Schwab. A friend has his IRA with Chase and he tells me that his Chase card does the same thing, but I've never seen a financial statement to verify. There might be minimum deposits required to get this benefit.

Using the Fidelity card at Thai ATMs gives a very good exchange rate, better than the best cash exchange place that I've ever seen.

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Have people had good experiences with FIWFANS? Any bad experiences?
[/QUOTE]Well, yesterday was pretty bad. That is to say, it was not good.

After showering together and the girl being nice and friendly, she started to write some messages on her phone. Shortly after that she informed me I had to change girls, as I was too big, and then did the comparison between her forearm and my dick that thai girls so much like to to do to stroke our egos. Now, I'd be flattered if that was true, and this girl was no tiny girl either (around 160 cm), but I have never ever been rejected for being too big. Too smelly, too ugly, too devoid of charm, maybe? But too big? No. Ok, I tried to convince her to give it a go (she was pretty, and we were both there naked), but no, she did not want to.

Silliest thing of all was that her agent sent me a message indicating I had to pay the girl 500 because she had already taken off her clothes. The girl pointed at her phone and presumably the same message from her handler. I was not sure if I should laugh or get pissed, but ended up just getting slightly annoyed.

Now, with fiwfans girls the rule is that you pay first, and that's just the way it is and I don't think there's anything you can do about that, so for some seconds I was wondering if we were going to have a problem here. I however just told her I don't care about that message, and to give me my 1500 baht back while I started getting dressed. She messaged some more with her handler, but I just repeated, 1500. So she gave me my money back as I was tying my shoelaces.

Spent 10 minutes downstairs in the hotel lobby to find another girl at a hotel a 10 minute walk away with the fiwfans app, booked an appointment for 20 minutes later, and off I went.

Wrote a review (those interested can contact me for my fiwfans name if interested), but that was of course deleted.

Now in honesty, I don't think this was a scam attempt. Girl was friendly and joking the whole time, and seemed to honestly think my dick was for some reason too big. Nonsense of course, and I am sure there would not have been any problem if she had just been willing to try (I'm not exactly John Holmes), but there it was.

Another funny story our american brother can add to his list of why not to use fiwfans I guess. ;-)

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[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2934072]Listen. This website is for Thai customers. If you want ladies that are ok with foreigners, you can't get them easily at these prices that are on fiw fans. You decided to play in the pool with the Thai so deal with it. You can't speak Thai and you expect them to be ok with foreigners. You should have paid the 500. Are you that poor you can't afford it? Come on man. Go to Sukhumvit or TF. Better for you. Sorry to say but no Thai man cares about a stupid review from a foreigner. Why even write one. You got all your money back. Stay away from Fiw Fans dude. Ruin it for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]I have been preaching against FiwFans for foreigners except in certain circumstances for ages here.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2934112]I have been preaching against FiwFans for foreigners except in certain circumstances for ages here.[/QUOTE]Indeed you have, but as said, imo it provides an interesting alternative experience, as long as one's expectations are not too high. Get to see parts of Bangkok I'd normally not venture to either, so there's a bit of sightseeing involved there too.

In I think now probably close to 50 experiences, I can't really say I've had more than three, the one yesterday included, that I'd rate as downright bad. The girls, personality wise, are much more to my liking, than bargirls. More next-door type and not as jaded, mercurial, and downright annoying as the bargirls us farangs normally meet. Perhaps I was even the first farang to (try to) fuck the girl yesterday, and that's why she thought my rather average dick was so huge? The girl I met half an hour later that same day said most of her customers were Koreans and Chinese, and she almost never saw farang. She didn't have any problems with me though, and indeed, I've never had that kind of problem with any other girl.

Mostly the issue with fiwfans is the incessant photoshopping to make a very plain girl look like a hot babe, and I can understand why many would not want to waste time on fiwfans because of that. But sometimes the one opening the door is indeed a babe.

Anyway, to each his own, and I'm not really recommending fiwfans to anyone, especially not to people who are just here for a short time, They would probably be better of at places like Maria, Black Caviar, Lalisa, etc. , rather than trawl through fiwfans for the somewhat rare gem. I've started to become better at reading reviews though, so I have fewer fuglies now than before. If fiwfans had dropped the photoshopping, it'd be the greatest thing.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2934046]No need to apologize and thanks a ton for taking the time to write about your experience.
I've only engaged working girls in Thailand but have always been intrigued by civvies. I'll be in Phuket next month so will definitely try to approach the civvie in a mall, 7 Eleven, restaurant.[/QUOTE]Absolutely you should go for it. And if there's one tip I'd give for approaching Thai girls it's to smile. Smile like your mad uncle Elmer. They call it (still?) Land of Smiles, and I'd say that's the one most important thing to do when approaching a Thai: s-m-i-l-e.

Went to Mixx for the first time yesterday and stayed from 1-4 am. Entry (250 with 1 free drink).

Hardly any Russian / Caucasian lady. Slightly above average girls with just 1-2 good ones who think they deserve 5 k for ST. You can find better talent in Thermae.

Got off work early yesterday and planned to check out Snow White on Soi 24/1. Arrived at 1:30 PM and the line up was terrible. Only 6 ladies and all were 40++++ or fat. One might compare it with Tulip. However, Tulip massage had their full 20+++ lady lineup when I was last in and the ladies that were decent were all better than the ones at Snow White this day. Therefore, I passed.

Contemplating where to go next, I decided to make a return to Soi 24 and checked out the shops there. Namely Mango. Now, this lineup on this day had about 6 ladies. Out of the 6, 3 were really nice. Seemed to be in mid to late 20's. However, my BBFSCIP spider sense was not going off so I again passed.

Now off to Bunny Bar on Soi 4 I went. My plan was to drink there until 5 PM and then go to the Soi 7 beer bars to hunt for Farm Fresh girls.

When I arrived in Soi 7 at 5:30 PM yesterday, the place was full of young girls. Stopped immediately at one bar on the outside corner of the complex and soi 7 to drink with a busty lady, 27 year old. We chatted a bit over beers. Her tits were spectacular. However, my BBFSCIP spider sense was not going off again. So, I went on a bathroom break to regroup. On my bathroom / scout mission, I was coaxed by two young girls, I just took notice and headed to the bathroom. Then back to the original bar, paid my bill and went off to the two girls. One was 21 and the other was 22. Bought them both a drink and then chose the one I liked. Small body, big natural tits, and a nice ass. My BBFSCIP spider sense was going off like crazy. We chatted for a bit and I bought her 6 shots of tequila and then asked about bar fine. At first she said "no cannot". Then I said hmmm, sounds like she does not understand my Thai or English so well. I just said again in Thai "let's go" ST 4000 Baht. She immediately said "yes" My thinking was she thought I wanted LT. Must be a Thai boyfriend in the mixx.

Anyways, so off we went to the ST room on Soi 7/1. For 300 Baht the room was quite nice. Modern shower, clean, nice decor, and a big large bed. I will remember this as a good ST room choice for girls I pick up in Nana. The Nana ST rooms are awful.

Then a nice shower and onto the bed. I started by eating her pussy while playing with her big natural tits. She was moaning quite loudly and then I stuck a finger inside and started to finger bang her while eating her pussy. She loved it and said to me in Thai " Fuck me now!" Who am I to disappoint?

I moved my body up to start in mish and she felt so good. My BFSCIP spidy sense is never wrong and so far so good with this one. The next 30 minutes was pure sexual bliss. From Mish to cowgirl to doggy. Now, I felt an explosion was coming so I flipped her back over into mish and powered on. It is here where I hoped I would hear those immortal words "cum inside me" Alas it did not happen. However, in my mind in did LOL. I think I blew the biggest load deep inside her pussy. Her pussy was so nice. It seemed to welcome my load with pleasure. It was like it was sucking all the jizz out of me. I tried to pull out and she grabbed my ass and pushed me into her. Making sure all my cum was inside her. Love it!

Quick shower, exchanged contacts and off we went.

FF Hunting is great. She says she worked for 8 months and never went with a customer before. Ha ha If you believe that one, then well, you know the rest. So in essence, she was a good FF find. In reality, I am sure she has been fucked 100 times over by foreigners. However, her mind about sex was the same as FF. No mention of condoms, not even any hesitation about me putting it in raw. Full on GFE action, which is what you get from FF.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2934144]Absolutely you should go for it. And if there's one tip I'd give for approaching Thai girls it's to smile. Smile like your mad uncle Elmer. They call it (still?) Land of Smiles, and I'd say that's the one most important thing to do when approaching a Thai: s-m-i-l-e.[/QUOTE]Duly noted!

I will smile like there's no tomorrow!

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2934055]Well, yesterday was pretty bad. That is to say, it was not good.

After showering together and the girl being nice and friendly, she started to write some messages on her phone. Shortly after that she informed me I had to change girls, as I was too big, and then did the comparison between her forearm and my dick that thai girls so much like to to do to stroke our egos. Now, I'd be flattered if that was true, and this girl was no tiny girl either (around 160 cm), but I have never ever been rejected for being too big. Too smelly, too ugly, too devoid of charm, maybe? But too big? No. Ok, I tried to convince her to give it a go (she was pretty, and we were both there naked), but no, she did not want to.

Silliest thing of all was that her agent sent me a message indicating I had to pay the girl 500 because she had already taken off her clothes. The girl pointed at her phone and presumably the same message from her handler. I was not sure if I should laugh or get pissed, but ended up just getting slightly annoyed.

Now, with fiwfans girls the rule is that you pay first, and that's just the way it is and I don't think there's anything you can do about that, so for some seconds I was wondering if we were going to have a problem here. I however just told her I don't care about that message, and to give me my 1500 baht back while I started getting dressed. She messaged some more with her handler, but I just repeated, 1500. So she gave me my money back as I was tying my shoelaces.

Spent 10 minutes downstairs in the hotel lobby to find another girl at a hotel a 10 minute walk away with the fiwfans app, booked an appointment for 20 minutes later, and off I went.

Wrote a review (those interested can contact me for my fiwfans name if interested), but that was of course deleted.

Now in honesty, I don't think this was a scam attempt. Girl was friendly and joking the whole time, and seemed to honestly think my dick was for some reason too big. Nonsense of course, and I am sure there would not have been any problem if she had just been willing to try (I'm not exactly John Holmes), but there it was.

Another funny story our american brother can add to his list of why not to use fiwfans I guess. ;-)[/QUOTE]Ok I will reword my comment. I apologize as I was drunk at the time at Bunny bar on Soi 4 while waiting to go to Soi 7 and I was talking too straight I guess for you.

This website is for Thai customers. If you want ladies that are ok with foreigners, you can't get them easily at these prices on fiw fans. Please consider that Fiw Fans is mainly for Thai people. If you can't speak Thai and you have a big dick, expect some issues 100%. About the 500 Baht request, In my opinion, you should have paid it, as its a very small amount of money. It shows that you are a good guy and maybe the admin booker would have hooked you up next time with another girl or maybe even helped you more with this one to salvage a session out of it.

However, please remember, I gave you my answer on Fiw Fans before, but you still tried knowing what your issues might be. The key to your encounter going sour was 1 million percent your lack of Thai language. If you spoke Thai you would have been able to reason with the girl in Thai and had your session with her. For your second session, that obviously was not good as well most likely due to your language issues and the girl having little to no experience with foreigners. About your review, no Thai man will read it or care about it, so it was a complete waste of your time. That review was actually about your encounter after the first one. You said it was deleted so I guess that session had issues as well. Better use TF and Thermae in Bangkok if you want freelancers. However, the pricing won't be the same as Fiw Fans. That pricing however is available in Pattaya and those FLs can speak enough English and most won't care about your dick size, but if they do, it might mean paying a little extra.

Was walking down Soi Cowboy last night about 10 PM. As I was going past Midnite go-go bar, a girl from the line of girls standing in front of it came me and grabbed my arm, saying "Come take a look inside". I said to her "Arab bar". She immediately let go of my arm and returned to where the other girls were. Seems if they see you know the reputation of "Arab bars" they will just give up and let you go. Never tried that before but will use it again if necessary.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2934256]Anyways, so off we went to the ST room on Soi 7/1. For 300 Baht the room was quite nice. Modern shower, clean, nice decor, and a big large bed. I will remember this as a good ST room choice for girls I pick up in Nana. The Nana ST rooms are awful.[/QUOTE]Can you give a better description of the hotel or location or maybe its name? Because I'm also interested in some alternative to those in that Soi 4 dead end alley.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2934326]Was walking down Soi Cowboy last night about 10 PM. As I was going past Midnite go-go bar, a girl from the line of girls standing in front of it came me and grabbed my arm, saying "Come take a look inside". I said to her "Arab bar". She immediately let go of my arm and returned to where the other girls were. Seems if they see you know the reputation of "Arab bars" they will just give up and let you go. Never tried that before but will use it again if necessary.[/QUOTE]What's the reputation of Arab Bars?