Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Turgid;2752488]We all bounce differently. I can only speak for myself. I hate being ripped off. If a bowl of rice costs $30 in the US and a similar bowl of rice costs $10 in China and a guy in China tries to sell me that bowl of rice for $15, I will be angry because he's trying to rip me off. I will not say that its ok because in the US it costs $30. But that's just me.
With providers its a little more fluid. I always pay the going rate for chicas but if the girl gives me exceptional service I give her a propina.[/QUOTE]I understand up to the point where you get mad. Why get mad about it? The guy selling rice (and pretty sure you'll need a bucket for $10 worth of rice) is either following the boss's orders or trying to make a little extra money. You laugh it off, tell him you don't want that much rice just the $10 bucket. Or you tell them the price is too high and go next door. I don't imagine it's difficult to find someone selling rice in China.

And why get mad at the rice seller, or pussy seller? Chances are they're someone who has never had financial security, they've never had leisure time or the finer things in life. They struggle from one day to the next with no real hope of climbing out of the hole they were born in. That doesn't mean to just throw money at them, but at least recognize they're just trying to get a piece of the pie.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2752529]In Colombia you can buy mangos in many places. There is no reason to think that you can only buy them in MDE, noe that MDE has the best ones.

You can buy them on the street from small shops or street vendors, or you can buy from upmarket supermarkets like Carulla, Jumbo and Exito, hell you can even order them online and get home delivery.

But where will you get the best quality ones from, and what is 'quality'? Do you prefer big, juicy, sweet, cheap, soft, young? Different people prefer different mangos. And I prefer to buy my mangos from the street, becuase I think they are better value for money, and I want to support the local community. When I buy from the big supermarkets, I know I am paying for their costs, their profits, and therir (to me) meaningless brand.

Hell, several times I bought mangosteens that looked good from Jumbo and Carulla, only to get them home and find they were hard or rotten on the inside. That did it for me. Now I have no faith in paying a premium for the same fruit that I can buy locally.[/QUOTE]Real talk, my last day there couple weeks back I bought a fancy pear from the supermarket, you know, all wrapped up, clean, well packaged. Then I got back to the hotel, cut it in slices to find out it was hard, dry, not that sweet, and colorless. The pear even had to audacity to just lay there to rest a while, since it was too moist from being emerged in too much water few hours ago that evening at the shop. The stores does that to fool shoppers. So I rested too and still indulged as I had to catch a flight. But I did wish I bought a ripe one from the street vendor for 1/10 of the price as usual, I was also too lazy to visit the free farm. It was so not worth it. I ended up deleting the market's address from my GPS so I don't accidently go there anymore.

I have come to really enjoy red grapes. Not so much the green ones, but they are ok.

When in Colombia, I eat the local Colombian grapes. When in the US, I eat the local American grapes. And when in Rome, I do as the Romans.

Grapes are delicious.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2752529]In Colombia you can buy mangos in many places. There is no reason to think that you can only buy them in MDE, noe that MDE has the best ones.

You can buy them on the street from small shops or street vendors, or you can buy from upmarket supermarkets like Carulla, Jumbo and Exito, hell you can even order them online and get home delivery.

But where will you get the best quality ones from, and what is 'quality'? Do you prefer big, juicy, sweet, cheap, soft, young? Different people prefer different mangos. And I prefer to buy my mangos from the street, becuase I think they are better value for money, and I want to support the local community. When I buy from the big supermarkets, I know I am paying for their costs, their profits, and therir (to me) meaningless brand.

Hell, several times I bought mangosteens that looked good from Jumbo and Carulla, only to get them home and find they were hard or rotten on the inside. That did it for me. Now I have no faith in paying a premium for the same fruit that I can buy locally.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SureMan;2752254]In America they make about 100 dollars per day.

But do you pay 100 for 8 hours with a escorts in America.

So shut the fuck up about what locals make.

You guys are really cheap.

Can't you guys just enjoy your vacation.

Everyone is an expert here.

Sureman.[/QUOTE]Can't agree more! Yea maybe the average salary is a 1 million cop per month but the iPhones, bags, makeup, etc costs the same.

And honestly, who is anyone to say how much a girl wants to sell her body for??

Bottom line is even guys who can afford 1 k usd an hour escorts come to Colombia cause the girls are simply hotter. Even escorts who charge 500-1000 an hour in the us have nothing on the Colombian women.

The washed up 30-40 year old Colombians are getting 300-500 usd an hour here.

Everyone has their own way of doing things.

Whether on a budget or not everyone has a right to do things THIER WAY!!

But to blame others is simply being bitter.

I think a lot of guys can't handle seeing these "third world putas" going on expensive trips, drinking bottles they can't afford, having phones that are more current than theirs.

I say stop bashing others or acting like you're better than them and share useful info.

Will be in Medellin Oct. 12-26. I am interested in grabbing a drink with fellow ISG members. This will be my second trip.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2752616]Can't agree more! ....[/QUOTE]JW posted a reminder which is what SureMan replied to.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2752129]...Spend what you like, but remember what locals pay![/QUOTE]Based on JW's post. It is actually around 30 minutes, not 8 hour, so the number is greatly exaggerated.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2752254]In America they make about 100 dollars per day.

But do you pay 100 for 8 hours with a escorts in America.

....[/QUOTE]It is misleading to determine income by hourly rate. The monthly or daily income should be used. If the girls are making that kind of money based on the hourly rate. They would be set for life within a year by buying as many properties as they can to use as rental. That is what I saw in Asia but I don't know if the girls in Colombia are that smart or not.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2752529]In Colombia you can buy mangos in many places. ....[/QUOTE]That is my favorite topic. I know a thing or two about mangos. LOL. It is not in season now so it is more difficult to get the red ones in Exito but you can still easily get them in mom and pop places and in El Centro. I think that is what you mean by local.

I don't know about quality in general but my personal observation is that the ones in Exito appear much better looking. They are more refined and polished with less visible flaws. What you find in El Centro often look weathered, and older. It is easier to find the yellow bananas that are younger and green in Exito. The one in El Centro are more mature and don't look as good. At the end of the day, when you take everything off, inside is the same and the ones in El Centro are far cheaper.

I guess "respect" is the wrong word. Mainly I was talking about the guy that wanted to buy a hoe an iPhone. I've been mongering for years in Latin America, and two rice countries. I've made mistakes and learned from the best members of this board and they have taught me always pay the local price. Maybe a minimal gringo tax. To me, Colombia is the best from the price and looks perspective. I'm just not feeling MDE anymore. People are so stuck on MDE that they don't even care to venture out into the city where they land.

You eat at Denny's Bro? That's nasty!!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2752299]Ah. So we're supposed to be fucking hookers in order to earn their respect? I wish someone would have explained that to me 42 years ago. All this time I've been thinking I was fucking them because I wanted pussy and didn't want to work to get it.

Can you tell me how much that respect is worth? If I'm trying to buy a house, can I put down "Respected by Colombian Hookers" as an asset? What section of my resume should that go under? Can it at least get me a 10% discount at Denny's?

Yep, the girls all talk to each other. And do you know what they do after they find out some white gringo paid one of them more than they usually get? They message the guy and try to get in on the action. Know what they do when they learn about a guy who pays the minimum and expects the maximum? They message the guys who pay more.

This might be news to you. Girls who are selling pussy aren't doing it to find guys they can respect. They're doing it to get paid. If they can get paid more for the same job, they aren't turning it down because they'd rather respect some stranger than have money. The respect has a lot more to do with how you treat them.

Now I'm not suggesting anyone should go out and pay more. Pay whatever you're comfortable with that gets you what you want. However, if you're sitting alone because you're worried that paying more than someone else will lose you the respect of prostitutes, you might want to skip the mongering.[/QUOTE]

The guys that live in Colombia get all the deals!

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2752523]I'm not trying to pick a fight here BUT no it doesn't change a thing for me. The guys that live in Colombia have multiple of opportunities and advantages that guys on vacation don't. You can invest the time and effort to find quality girls that will be with you for a cheaper price. You get more familiar with the city and culture too. I don't have that time when I'm there for a week or two.

No I'm never going to call some one cheap. You SHOULD pay only what you are happy to pay or it ruins the game at least for me.

But we are playing on different fields is what I'm getting at. And those that use FB or Isnta or even SA are most likely not seeing the same girls that guys that only do centro or casas. So I don't believe the prices would go up on that account. Prices might definitely be going up, but it could be more because prices for EVERYTHING is going up. And less because a few guys pay a few girls a few more pesos to meet up.[/QUOTE]

Sneaky racist? I voted for Obama and I hate Clarence Thomas. MDE hoes don't have preferences they care about who pays the most with the least amount of time and effort. Unless of course you live there.

I get racially profiled too mah! I'm walking down Beach Road with my boy (a ISG member) and these Indian cats come up to me and start talking to me in their native tongue. I'm like bro, I ain't Indian. My boy busted out laughing. Shit was funny. I'm like, do Thai girls think I'm Indian?

Anyway, lets go to Nairobi. Land of the free GFE. My other boy highly recommends it.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2752349]Once in a while I see these sneaky racist posts and I'm not sure why admin allows them. Racists always want others to be racists. So I guess you've fucked 99% of the Millions of girls in medellin and you know what they ALL prefer, you're part of their clubs. Cause I'm sure you wouldn't dare posting this just cause you've chatted with 2 or 3 chicken heads or street rats and suddenly you assume they speak for millions. Man, a I guess an occasional good pussy make some of us sing songs, see colors and everything eh!!

So don't be a pussy, say what you want to say, say the race you want to call out or what you think you know or just stfu. This shouldn't even be a topic you partake w putas. Putas will tell gringo 1/ race1 that he's her favorite, he'll meet gringo 2/ race 2 and say the same. We all know this game. Even even if. Or if and only if racism and discrimination exists between wg / pornstars, etc. This still aint the place or hint or to bring it up. Drop that silly superiority complex. You're paying for pussy like everyone else w your "preferred race".[/QUOTE]

Why buy the Mangos, when you get the papaya for free? Inside Colombian joke. LOL.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2752646]That is my favorite topic. I know a thing or two about mangos. LOL. It is not in season now so it is more difficult to get the red ones in Exito but you can still easily get them in


mom and pop places and in El Centro. I think that is what you mean by local.

I don't know about quality in general but my personal observation is that the ones in Exito appear much better looking. They are more refined and polished with less visible flaws. What you find in El Centro often look weathered, and older. It is easier to find the yellow bananas that are younger and green in Exito. The one in El Centro are more mature and don't look as good. At the end of the day, when you take everything off, inside is the same and the ones in El Centro are far cheaper.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2752529]In Colombia you can buy mangos in many places. There is no reason to think that you can only buy them in MDE, noe that MDE has the best ones.[/QUOTE]MDE has the best mangoes and yet I have never seen a mango tree there. Three months in Barranquilla I saw around 50 mango trees in peoples yards while walking around. Even mentioned in a write up 3 years ago because it surprised me.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2752666]I guess "respect" is the wrong word. Mainly I was talking about the guy that wanted to buy a hoe an iPhone. I've been mongering for years in Latin America, and two rice countries. I've made mistakes and learned from the best members of this board and they have taught me always pay the local price. Maybe a minimal gringo tax. To me, Colombia is the best from the price and looks perspective. I'm just not feeling MDE anymore. People are so stuck on MDE that they don't even care to venture out into the city where they land.

You eat at Denny's Bro? That's nasty!![/QUOTE]The best members of this board have told me I should go to the casas and they've told me to avoid the casas. They've told me the place to be is El Centro or Poblado and they've told me I should stay away from El Centro or Poblado. Just about everything I've been told 2 different roads I should take.

At the end of the day every here is limited by their preference, prejudice and perception. For the new guys it's good to have the guidance, but it's also important to find the right guide. That's why I frequently ask for more information from new members.

Once you have some experience you need to adjust to fit your situation. That might mean paying a little more or less. I will let you in on another secret. Most of the guys saying to never do something are occasionally guilty of doing that exact thing.

I'm not suggesting you throw money, but there are times when a few dollars more can turn your night around.

When it comes to buying a $1000 phone for a complete stranger, no. Unless you're Oprah, giving away Cadillacs, no.

Someone asked how much is a mango so I answer here. Most of the fruits sold in El Centro are by piece, by bag or by pile, not by weight, unless you go into the local outdoor market where they have scale, then it maybe by weight. These two guys are less than 5 mils, could be 3 mils. It is so confusing because everything is about the same price so I don't remember the exact price. LOL. I have been waiting them to ripe in the bag for a few days. Two small avocados are in the corner so you get an idea of the size.

To be fair, I think the fruits that one gets at large super market chain are export quality so they look much nicer on the outside. Poor countries export the best to rich countries. Sometimes the locals don't even know the much better looking ones exist.

I think we should keep the price discussion going on both sides. It's important for information purpose and check and balance. It is possible that the poster is actually trying to be helpful when he says you overpay but I can understand the reaction.

About a year ago, I was paying about 100 USD in Sao Paulo club. Last month I was quoted 200 USD in the same club by the same girl. (The girls quoted me in BRL, I did the conversion for convenience, and the price is a little less than what I posted here) I fucked her before so I didn't plan to fuck her again even at 100 USD. But the other girl is an armature and is coming to Medellin to study Spanish so I planed to fuck her here for FB price. LOL. But I basically gave in to the 200 USD price when I met other girls that were my types and unique. There are more regulars that are less price sensitive by MDE standard in Sao Paulo so a person, and me, can be influenced to think the price is normal for a hot girl. It is not quite true in reality, and I won't get into it as it is still case by case. Keep in mind, I am already familiar with SP as I spent a few months there during my last trip.

I have this regular that I met in the club. Not only I didn't negotiate the price but I also tipped her about USD40 because we went over one hour which I rarely do. Usually I need only 40 minutes max. I saw her several times in my place after. The effect of the $40 tip basically raises my base price for all sessions. I already knew because we discussed it before she came over. So that is me overpaid in someway and affect the price I paid after. Will I tip again, probably but I will be less generous with tip amount and more generous with more sessions later. (In this club, there is no knock on the door. The room is about USD45/ HR. The cover now is USD100 and it was 80 last month).

If I overpaid 100USD a session, think about the money that you can save in this context if you have a session once a day for a month or 2 weeks. I know Medellin is not Sao Paulo but the context is similar except at higher price.