Medellin Reports

For the first time in a long time I ventured into the infamous Parque Lleras and then made my way up la 10 into Provenza to meet some visitors from the Great White North. It was fun and we enjoyed our drinks at Burdo until we got sick of the noise and my friends had to head off to the airport. About an hour before I met them, while I was killing time I was aggressively propositioned three times, pretty much every corner between Lleras and Provenza. I found one of them very attractive. The two pictured here are part of a posse that I noticed hangs out in front of and around the corner from the Hotel Loup on la 10. I don't remember la 10 being a full on stroll during daylight hours. I did not get into pricing because I wouldn't have time. In restrospect I wish I had because as I write this I realize I am curious about it.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2753546]For the first time in a long time I ventured into the infamous Parque Lleras and then made my way up la 10 into Provenza to meet some visitors from the Great White North. It was fun and we enjoyed our drinks at Burdo until we got sick of the noise and my friends had to head off to the airport. About an hour before I met them, while I was killing time I was aggressively propositioned three times, pretty much every corner between Lleras and Provenza. I found one of them very attractive. The two pictured here are part of a posse that I noticed hangs out in front of and around the corner from the Hotel Loup on la 10. I don't remember la 10 being a full on stroll during daylight hours. I did not get into pricing because I wouldn't have time. In restrospect I wish I had because as I write this I realize I am curious about it.[/QUOTE]According to an article in the Vivir En Poblado publication, supposedly the Park is supposed to open by November 30, and according to the article, "four state of the art cameras will be installed that, according to Mayor Daniel Quintero, will perform facial recognition and will serve to measure noise levels."

So if you think about this, once the Park is complete, which I will be surprised if it is this year, but if, and when it's complete, I'm wondering how the facial recognition capabilities might be utilized besides identifying criminals in their databases who show up in the park and am wondering if foreign visitors will be able to be identified based on their Passport photo with their system.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwQWdbeFW40[/URL]

Found the girls who drugged and robbed with Scopolamine and this is what happened- Part 1.

This is pretty cool and interesting.

Shady criminal chica caught after drugging the wrong people.

[QUOTE=Bill;2753499]Before the recent rush of clueless gringo mongers and Vennie arrivals, the price for the average non addict local Medellin street girls was 20 k for an approx. 30 minute service plus the room.

Now since the arrival of hordes of sharky Venezuelen refugees, the Tijuana guys and other street savvy USA Mongers are happy with their familiar 20 minute rush sessions with rules for upselling top off, CBJ, prepay and other nonsense that was a given with local MDE clients.

After a sheddy session these aforementioned providers are asking for a propina, tip, or cab fare (even though they will walk or catch a bus) and are getting it LOL![/QUOTE]Sadly this stupid obsession to pay more than the market rate is something that has accelerated in past 20 years, partly due to information being available on open forums like this one. It is something that has affected pretty much all mongering destinations. I have a feeling that MDE rates will triple in next 3-5 years.

[QUOTE=Bill;2753499]Before the recent rush of clueless gringo mongers and Vennie arrivals, the price for the average non addict local Medellin street girls was 20 k for an approx. 30 minute service plus the room.

Now since the arrival of hordes of sharky Venezuelen refugees, the Tijuana guys and other street savvy USA Mongers are happy with their familiar 20 minute rush sessions with rules for upselling top off, CBJ, prepay and other nonsense that was a given with local MDE clients.

After a sheddy session these aforementioned providers are asking for a propina, tip, or cab fare (even though they will walk or catch a bus) and are getting it LOL![/QUOTE]Unfortunately your observations with a few minor exceptions has become how things may be for a lot of the foreign mongers in Medellin, albeit I just can see them making up no more than 5% of all the clients the street girls go with.

So with this being said, there are still a lot of using your words, non "sharky" street girls out whose primary client base is locals. Yet the "sharky" ones, well they are the better business women working the streets.

The same databases that power the American Global Entry system, Interpol's CCTV feeds, and yes Colombia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs migration unit will presumably be available to and fed by what goes up in Parque Lleras. I don't see it as a big deal for anyone who isn't a fugitive from justice, in flagrant violation of Colombia immigration policy, or engaged in illegal activities in the park. Quintero is a relentless publicity hound. Today he is in the media claiming credit on behalf of Gustavo Petro for the UK dropping visa requirements for Colombian tourists. Of course this is nothing Petro could have accomplished since August. It was Duque who pushed it through. So, you can now all take your favorite girls to London for up to 6 months at a time. Bon voyage!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2753601]According to an article in the Vivir En Poblado publication, supposedly the Park is supposed to open by November 30, and according to the article, "four state of the art cameras will be installed that, according to Mayor Daniel Quintero, will perform facial recognition and will serve to measure noise levels."

So if you think about this, once the Park is complete, which I will be surprised if it is this year, but if, and when it's complete, I'm wondering how the facial recognition capabilities might be utilized besides identifying criminals in their databases who show up in the park and am wondering if foreign visitors will be able to be identified based on their Passport photo with their system.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2753512]These things have absolutely.

No correlation..[/QUOTE]Hallelujah.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2753705]Hallelujah.[/QUOTE]My experience, and experience of my monger friends, is completely opposite from his. There are very few exceptions that I can think of, when sex with a hooker with whom I had no chemistry / connection, was actually good. Saying that there is no correlation between sex and chemistry sounds like a bullshit to me.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2753668]Sadly this stupid obsession to pay more than the market rate is something that has accelerated in past 20 years, partly due to information being available on open forums like this one. It is something that has affected pretty much all mongering destinations. I have a feeling that MDE rates will triple in next 3-5 years.[/QUOTE]Strangely enough I've heard the exact same prediction stated about 20 times over the past 8 years. There's always someone out there doing something that is going to cause the prices to rapidly change, or that will destroy the service.

However, you should consider a few points.

1. The price was brought down from 25-30 k by the first few waves of Venezuelan girls. Supply increases, without an increase in demand, prices go down. This started 5 years ago. Surfer500 and others reported on the competition and price decrease.

2. Over the same period inflation in Colombia has increased prices by 27%. That's not counting the price gouging which caused the price of many staples to increase dramatically during the pandemic. If everything costs more but pay doesn't rise, you've got problems. For an example look at the US labor market. Jobs paying $8-$10 per hour 2-3 years ago are paying $12-$16 today, or more and everyone is still begging for employees.

3. In the last 2 years demand has increased due to Colombia being one of the few mongering destinations without excessive travel restrictions. At the same time the influx of Venezuelans eased off. Demand increase without a supply increase, prices rise.

4. The rates in El Centro are so low that any increase looks like a big increase. Unless they want to carry around 2 kilos of coins, the minimum price increase is going to be 5 k. At today's rate that's a whopping $1. 05.

5. From the monger standpoint, 20 k in 2017 cost 30 cents more (in dollars) than 30 k today. The dramatic price increase is only an increase for the natives.

6. 5 years ago many mongers complained that they were getting the knock on the door after 20 minutes. This apparently hasn't changed. The guys who routinely visit El Centro have mentioned their strategies to get 30 minutes or more.

7. For as long as I've been here guys have been complaining about not getting BBBJ, or having to pay extra. When demand for BBBJ is high, the girls would be foolish not to charge extra. Personally I've never paid for BBBJ. When a girl asks whether I want it without or with a condom, I tell her it doesn't matter. If I don't care, she can't add an extra fee. More often than not, I get the BBBJ. That's basic negotiation. If you demand you have to have something, the value of that thing increases.

Price increases are inevitable. What I'll never understand is why some people can't grasp that. Plumbers charge more now than 5 years ago. Taxi drivers charge more. Hotels charge more. Mechanics charge more. Gas prices are up, food prices are up. The price of everything is up. Why is it shocking, or cause for doomsday predictions when the price of pussy goes up too?

I am an Asian (brown skin), don't know Spanish.

I travelled from USA to Colombia for a longer trip this time, hoping to travel 6 months in Colombia. My first / previous trip was a 3 day trip to Bogota in 2019.

Immigration: There were like 40 people in the foreigners' immigration queue and I was like last. No immigration form was necessary, at least in MDE airport. On my turn, I gave the passport to the officer. I also had the migration Colombia form and COVID vaccination proof, but the officer didn't ask for it. He saw my passport, the visa inside. He just asked 1 or 2 questions in Spanish. I caught the word 'vacation / tourism', I replied 'yes, tourisomo'. Visa stamped. I asked for how long. He said it says 3 months in the system.

Based on my experiences with immigration at BOG in 2019, and MDE now, with the same passport and same visa, I prefer MDE for my future entry.

ATM at airport: There were 1 or 2 ATMs at the lower level arrival, but there were 4 ATMs in upper level departures. As expected, the first ATM immediately after you clear customs has the longest queue. ATMs allow 300 k or 900 k withdrawal. At least 1 ATM had no fee. And you can withdraw multiple times.

Airport to Medellin: I read you could take a bus for 10-15 k that will drop you in San Diego mall, or take a taxi for 80 k pesos.

Mongering places: I used WorldTraveller69's Medellin list and map. This is good enough as it has wealth of information.

Stay: It seems the safer place to stay is Poblado or Laurels area.

But centro has more places of interest as per his map. In centro (downtown), WorldTraveller69 has mentioned to be safe near hospital and padro metro area, even during daytime. The area around parque barrio and San Antinio metro seems bit shady at night. But I heard the area to the east of Avenida Oriental is safe. I stayed in Centro near Avenida Oriental.

Travelling within Medellin: To travel in Medellin public transport system, you can buy Civica card at San Antiono (+few other) metro station. Take the escalator on the eastern side, and the civica card office is immediately on the right. It gives discounted ride on metro and metro bus - 2550 pesos, only way to ride tram, free / discounted transfers. Else, individual tickets can be bought for 2950 pesos.

Once you enter with the ticket, you can travel anywhere without paying additional, until you get out. Just for the price of one ticket, I travelled from San Antonio station to Santa Domingo to El Progreso to Niquia to San Javier to La Aurora to La Esterilla to Poblado. So, like 2-3 hour city tour for the price of 1 ticket.

Moovit app for bus: There are many private buses zig zagging the city. Move it app was very good in using these buses. All has fixed fare of 2550 or 2650 pesos. Driver gives back change. Most people pay exact fare, some pay 5 k. Rarely people pay 10 k or 20 k for a 2550 pesos ride, and still get the change.

Felt safe on most places: I covered most of the places by walk, metro, and private bus with the help of moovit app. I felt safe in all places. Some places near padro and hospital metro area seems bit shady even during day time, but still safe. Just keep walking without standing in a place, don't flash money or phone. Centro area (near parque barrio and San Antonio metro) are shady in the night. Some areas in centro seems safe at 8 or 9 pm since people are still travelling. Poblado, Laurels, Avenida Oriental and area to it's east felt safe at 8 pm.

Laundry:

La laundry. Cl52#39-12.22 k for 1 load full service (washing + drying + folding).

Lavamor Lavanderia. Cl53#40-15 8:30 am to 6 pm. 20 k for 1 load, they do washing & drying, pickup in 90 minutes. He was kind enough to allow me to fold clothes.

Laundry cafe in Laurels. Tr39 B#70-57.366. 90.12 or cell: 305 769.83. 91 laundry café. Co 24 k for 1 load self-washer+dryer. 30 k for full service (they do washing + drying + folding), if you give at 11 am or before, pickup at 6 pm. They also do pickup & delivery, I think Full service total cost is 40 k or 60 k.

- they also have another branch at Cl46#81-18.

Celver tu lavanderia. Cl56#43-09.13 k / kg full service (washing + drying + folding).

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753715]My experience, and experience of my monger friends, is completely opposite from his. There are very few exceptions that. Saying that there is no correlation between sex and chemistry sounds like a bullshit to me.[/QUOTE]Nether of us are saying yhat either. I agree chemistry is important.

But you can establish chemistry in 5 monutes. 5 weeks of stalking someone in Facebook. Is not necessary and adds no value unless its a pre-condition to having fun.

Thanks Moonshot. Good advice for guys going for the first time. Searched for FB groups and found like expat groups and general info groups, also one Medellin dating group I think. Are those the kind of groups you used?

Edit: Found it under reports of distinction, thanks again for all support!!!

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2753430]Wow, there is definitely a lot of debate and arguments about how to monger in Medellin. I am not going to join the debates but just try to return the discussion to posting information about trips to Medellin.

I am a newbie to Medellin and recently enjoyed my first trip to Medellin for a week. I am an older monger in my late 50's and do not speak much Spanish, just bare bones Spanish. I did not know much about Medellin prior to going other than reading a few things on this website and trip reports on another website and watching online videos.

Everything was fine. I did not get robbed or drugged. I saw a number of girls on FB and everyone provided a good GFE session. They were young and attractive and I was happy with their performance. That was my only source of girls in Medellin and it worked out just fine.

I went to Medellin. I had a good time. I had a budget and stayed within my budget and the money I spent was reasonable to me. That is all that matters to me. Now whether other guys would be upset with my spending habits is not important at all to me.

I will return to Medellin soon. I have a few old favorites now and hope to add to my list of old favorites on my next trip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753715]My experience, and experience of my monger friends, is completely opposite from his. There are very few exceptions that I can think of, when sex with a hooker with whom I had no chemistry / connection, was actually good. Saying that there is no correlation between sex and chemistry sounds like a bullshit to me.[/QUOTE]Sex is an act. Like cooking food. You do not have to go in the back to buddy up with the chef in order for him to make you a great meal. Regardless he is going to follow the recipe that he knows.

Likewise no chick ever said we have chemistry so I am going to make my mouth or pussy wetter than I did when I was with the last guy that I did not have a connection with. Most people just have sex how they have sex. They can not make it really good for one person and really bad for the next person.

An exception is maybe they won't do something that you like or refuse to try something that you ask. But as far as your dick going into their mouth or pussy it is pretty standard and can not be altered depending on the connection they have with someone.

Still nobody ever says what bad sex is and what good sex is. What did this person do different that really blew your socks off and made you say wow that is good sex? Do you think they did it on purpose and said I am going to give him good sex, or was that just the way they have sex?

I agree about chemistry being crucial to the best time or at the very least you need a chica that tolerates you and is a good actress. But that may be personal taste as some guys may be happy to fuck a starfish. I don't think money has that direct a correlation to creating chemistry. There are centro guys that make good connections paying 40 k a pop. I don't doubt it because I've read the reports. I have had the worst times personally with some of the women I paid most for.

Where money may have more correlation is with the looks of your provider. But I honestly think venue is more important than looks for what they charge. Higher end venues have more stunners but they often also have average or even below average choices too. That's true of most strip clubs I've been in across the world, the casas I've been too and is certainly true online. We pay variations on the going rate of a venue for each chica rather than an independent, beauty-based price.

Of course money is even less clearly correlated to the nonpro game. Money can be a component of what makes you attractive but is rarely enough on its own and there are men, pimps in particular, who are pretty good at extracting money from and control over women due to their looks and charisma.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753715]My experience, and experience of my monger friends, is completely opposite from his. There are very few exceptions that I can think of, when sex with a hooker with whom I had no chemistry / connection, was actually good. Saying that there is no correlation between sex and chemistry sounds like a bullshit to me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753715]My experience, and experience of my monger friends, is completely opposite from his. There are very few exceptions that. Saying that there is no correlation between sex and chemistry sounds like a bullshit to me.[/QUOTE]Neither of us are saying that either. I agree chemistry is important.

But you can establish chemistry in 5 minutes. 5 weeks of stalking someone in Facebook is not necessary and adds no value unless its a pre-condition to having fun.