Makati

Gentleman,

I've have only ever pulled one girl out of Glorietta Mall. She was very nice looking. Looked to have large breast for the PI, but, as usual in the PI, it was just the type of bra she was wearing over her A cup breast. Fine with me though as my philosophy is as long as she has nipples I'm happy.

I saw this girl eating at a Jolly Bee in the mall. She was sitting at the window looking out into the mall area where I was walking by. I kept walking after I saw her, but after about 3 minutes I thought that I should go back and see if she was interested as she had a pretty face.

By the time I returned she was gone and I was figuring that even in the PI my luck is no better than at home. When I turned around to go back the way I came I saw her standing by the rail looking down at the court area below. I really wasn't sure it was her as I could only see her from behind and saw that she was wearing the same type of shoulder less top as the girl I had seen earlier.

So, I walked down about 15 feet and went to the rail to look down at the court area below. As I looked over to see if it was the same girl my lucked changed as she was looking over at me too. She actually initiated a smile and a sort of head nod as if to ask if I wanted her to come over by me. Of course I motioned that she should come and stand beside me, which she did.

We introduced ourselves to each other and then began the usual small talk about where we are from and all that stuff. She, an out of work 27 year old single girl with no kids and has family in Metro Manila area that she stays with. Me, an international secret agent on the trail of some menace to society seeking to draw the moon out of the sky and into the Earth destroying all of mankind in the process. Yea, she didn't buy it either. So off we go for a walk around the mall.

I had been looking for a place in the mall to buy some load for my PI cell phone. She knew where a place was and escorted me there. Like the true gentleman that I am a purchase her some load for her phone as well. A big 500 pesos. What a big spender I am.

After that we are walking around the mall some more. Earlier, she had asked where I was staying and I had told her the New World Renaissance Hotel, which she said she knew of but had never been to. So, as we are walking I ask her if she would like to go see my hotel. What a smooth operator I am. Could you imagine being so direct in our home countries.

Hmmm. Actually it may work.

So she agrees that she would like to see my hotel. Hmm, no it wouldn't work this easy. This girl was dressed very well and we received many looks on our way back to the hotel, or I should say she did. It took us about 15 or 20 minute to walk back to my hotel which by the time we got there she was holding on to my arm and alternating to holding my hand every now and then.

Once at my hotel we go through security and up to my room. We sit and talk little, look out the window as I was on one of the top floors and there were some fireworks in the distance.

This gave me the opportunity to stand behind her and begin my advances. About 15 minutes later we are undressed and moving to the bed to really get the action started. She is 27 years old, but not a pro and very soft and sensual in her approach. She did not like to do BBBJ's and even gave it a try for about 10 seconds, but wanted to stop. No problem for me. Soon we are going directly to the main deed at hand.

After about 50 minutes or so, OK OK, it was 15 minutes and I'm not admitting to any less time, we finished and we were warming up for a second go. At least I was. I think she thought that I was through and she got up and went to the bathroom, came out and started to get dressed. She said she needed to go back to her sisters’ house before it got too late in the evening.

Well, I have an answer to that problem. Even though I was planning to go to EDSA later that night I decided to ask her to stay the night and have some in room dining with me. She is somewhat reluctant and is worried that her sister may be concerned. Of course a short phone call later and all is well.

We do the deed two more times during the night, while taking breaks for nourishment and watching some TV and then in the morning once again and she leaves at about 11:00 AM.

We never even discussed money at all the whole time together. When she left I gave her 3000 peso. Too much? Yes, if you like to always pay the least possible. She never asked or indicated that she wanted money, so I probably could have just walked her down to the taxi and said good bye for a freebie, but that is not my style and she was well worth the money and time. So she stayed from about 3:00 PM in the afternoon till 11:00 AM the next day, about 20 hours or US$2.70 an hour.


She called and texted me a few times over the next week, but I have this Psychological need to spread my spooge to as many girls as possible. I am possibly the closest relative, genetically that is, to the first Neanderthal man himself.

Well, that's my one and only Glorietta experience. With a girl that is. Be careful there as three times while there during my last trip I was approached by guys that were anywhere from 40 to 55 years old pulling the old "hey boss how are you" as if they know me from somewhere. Never heard of anyone being fooled by these guys in Makati, but this approach has nailed a guy or two in Angeles City over the years. They try to get you to go gamble with them somewhere. First they pretend to be able to take you to meet some girl and then along the way stop to do some gambling. At least that is the one story I've heard. Once in the gamble game they cheat the hell out of you and get very upset if you don't pay as they have about 6 of their friends around. I'm not even nice to these guys when they pull the "hey boss" crap. I loudly tell them to "FUCK OFF" like I am ready to kill someone and they move on quickly in the opposite direction.

Enjoy and be safe.

FF

To Steve Naive,

The girls waiting by Starbucks know you are paying relatively big bucks at ShangriLa, 1000 short time and 1500 long time is fine. If she is a pro and they are always tell her what you want to pay , if she argues or gets into it,skip her she will invariably be a headache in bed.Also tell exactly what you want and be explicit, honesty is the best policy. These girls are there virtually every day and do not always get someone. I usuallty go to LA Cafe where the girls stay overnight and 1500 is reallly appreciated. How long are you staying , I will be there in a week, will buy you a beer. Also go to Air FOrce one a soapy massage, only 1000 for girl and 1000 for room in the 12 to 6 time frame, a top experience

A short time hotel within walking distance of Glorietta would be a god send, however it is only a myth at this point.

Your best bet would be to take the MRT to the TAFT station and go to the SOGO Hotel Rotunda. Its only 2 stops down so will only cost about 22 pesos. As far as pick-ups in the area go, your best bet is actually Greenbelt 3, either near the Starbucks or the fast food areas. There are always a mix of Pros and College girls who are up for a lark. I have never had a problem getting lucky.

The natives are indeed friendly as most Western males appear to be either a walking green card or mobile ATM, but use what you got.

I will be in Makati in the near future. I have tried the Bar scene which I always enjoy but I want to try something different in the afternoon, a kind of warm up session before I hit the Bars at night. I am thinking of trying one of the follow massage places:

Airforce one or the Imperial Bath House

Can someone tell what is the current going rate for these places and what is the drill i.e. is it a fishbowl scene, pay for the hire of the room and then agree a price with girl. Also, where about are on Makati Ave are the placed. I will staying in the Oxford Suites, Durban Street in the heart of gogo bar land.

Castle Rock

Why do I see so many guys suggesting a short time hotel instead of taking the girl to your hotel? Maybe I'm a little slow but I just don't get it.

J Boy,

I can think of a few reasons.

1. You don't want the girl to know where you stay.

2. If you take her back to your room then you have to have your room made up again for the later events of the evening.

3. The hotel is far away and your looking to get the quick hit and move on.

4. This way the girl definitely understands that it is just for the money.

5. Some people are there on business trips with coworkers who stay in the same hotel.

6.

[b]a naive guide to punting in makati city, version 0.5[/b]

[i]disclaimers:[/i] i am a newbie in makati, having visited twice for 7 days total. this posting is my notes from my own experiences and from reading the board (some quoted), and is intended to be a quick start for you. the postings on this board are the definitive source of information, use forum search to read more reports.

many report lower prices than i paid; ymmv. i don't have a lot of time to shop, i shop early, and i don't care if i get rock-bottom (price, i mean ;-)), i mainly care about a satisfying experience. pm corrections or comments to me and i may update this posting.

thanks to all that who posted useful reports and sent pms to me.

[b]suggestions:[/b][list][*]if the girl looks young ask to see an id to avoid an **** legal problem. (i don't know the minimum legal age.)
[*]if you plan to take her back to your hotel, put your valuables (laptop, passport, tickets, money, keys) in safe or out of sight before you go out. tip: short filipinas can’t see into high places, high closet shelves are good if the safe is too small for laptop.
[*]close minibars (expensive), consider buying alternatives in case she’s peckish.
[*]be safe: use a condom (duh?), examine and smell before daty/dfk.
[*]you can’t cross at the intersection of ayala ave and makati ave (fences). use crossover bridges and ped crossings with buttons for walk light, or go when locals go.
[*]online map: [url]http://www.onthemap.com.ph[/url]
[*]quick orientation: see attached map of makati mall area. get a better map free at your hotel.
[*][b]atms[/b] can be found in glorietta mall (and probably greenbelt mall). tip: it costs me $5 to my bank for international atm, so i get more than i think i need to save fees, and use excess to pay hotel bill, balance on credit card, to avoid converting back.
[*]quick conversion (u$a, oct 2004): double the peso price, subtract 10%, divide by 100, so pp2000 is about us$36. pp1 is about us$0.18 ([url]http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic[/url] for current rates).
[*]if you’re going to be there more than a few days, it’s worth getting a local sim for your mobile, about pp199 for the sim and pp500 for reloads. sms is a cheap way to communicate with girls once you have their number, they prefer it. “smart” and “globe” are two sim providers; “smart” is said to be easier to find. prices/info for smart here: [url]http://www.smart.com.ph/smart/catalog/sim+pack/[/url]
[*]“[i]pok pok[/i] girls” – local term for prostitutes[/list][b]conventions used in this report[/b][list][*]“untried” means by me. [*]floor numbers are usa style (ground floor = first floor, second floor is one flight up). [*]prices listed are philippine pesos.[/list][b]arrival and departure: philippines[/b]

you may require a visa to enter philippines. i was told that i needed one as an american doing business, but also that business less than 21 days does not require one, so check for yourself. taxi from airport to hotels around glorietta mall and greenbelt mall takes about 20-30 minutes in my experience. i called my hotel in advance and had them send a driver to meet me. otherwise be sure they use the meter, not flat rate, unless you know prices.

reserve pp550 or us$10 for the terminal (departure) fee.

[b]major hotels: glorietta/greenbelt malls[/b]

the hotels that businessmen may find themselves at are shangri-la or peninsula hotels (both near glorietta mall), or new world renaissance (greenbelt mall); all are high international quality. i liked shangri-la much more than peninsula, location especially. my experience with the first two was that they were both girl-friendly (have not stayed at nwr). there are many affordable alternative hotels but i have not used them; look for reports in this forum.

the hotels themselves offer a massage service for a price that seems small if you’re used to usa prices for therapeutic massage. unlike therapeutic masseuses in usa, extra services are almost certainly available. they may offer subtle hints (such as “advertantly” brushing your genitals with their fingers during the massage) or less subtle, such as offering you a happy ending. while this is not a cheap way of having fun, the massage is usually very good, and you can’t beat the convenience if you’re looking for extra services – when they leave, you can cruise off into a nice sleep.

you’ll find many nearby options to shop for ladies. the hotel may have a club or lobby with girls hanging around (e.g. second floor club @ shangri-la). the girls around the glorietta and greenbelt malls, in the outdoor cafes and in our around the clubs, are a convenient option. the ladies on some street corners (e.g. near peninsula hotel) look older and worn out, but unlike the mall girls they are very straightforward in what they offer and the price. there is also the expensive p. burgos bar street, and the middle-range edsa complex, and many other options in other parts of manila; take a taxi, not long except during rush hour.

[b]glorietta and greenbelt girls[/b]
[quote=anonymous]"the difference between a prostitute and a girlfriend is that the prostitute is less expensive."[/quote]in the evening, or even during the day, there are often girls around the glorietta and greenbelt malls, at tables in outdoor coffee shops (starbucks and gloria jeans) and clubs (havana café, or the club in shangri-la hotel) who will invite you with a stare and perhaps a smile. sometimes you will find friendly girls in the mall.

i would rate the ones i saw from 3-7. they range from professional service providers to girls looking for a boyfriend; in my four experiences they were professionals behaving as girls looking for a boyfriend. they come on with the usual eye contact, but the conversation is indirect in terms of price and services arrangements. the girlfriend may offer better gfe, and may expect bfe (gifts, shopping, loan, money for mother who needs medication etc).

the subject of money may not come up before you take them unless you ask, in which case they will reply with “up to you,” “from your heart,” “talk about that later,” or “let’s not talk about that here,” and avoid discussing it. since they are not presenting themselves as professional you may be led to defer the discussion to avoid insulting a potential girlfriend. after the deed has been done, you may hear some sad story about why they need money, and some of it might even be true. you give them what you want to give, and unless you gave them way too much they will ask for more. in my experience they expect 2000-2500 st to 3000 overnight, when i was shopping around 9pm. st is often a friendly and leisurely 2+ hours if you want it. some forum reports say you can bargain for as little as 1000 to 1500 st, especially later in the evening, but one lady told me 1500 would only get me a bj (pass).

i think they use the strategy of discussing money after the deed because it’s a buyers’ market, and negotiating price up front makes them a commodity – if you don’t like the price, you look for another girl. better for them to hook you first and discuss the price later.

i don’t like this game; i prefer to have things clear up front. one poster suggests that if they don’t negotiate a price with you before the act, you can pay them whatever you want. “up to you” on this point.

there are also some pimps walking around. why bother? what-you-see is generally better than what-you-got, and the pimp gets a fee from you. they are persistent, just tell them to leave you alone and deal with the ladies directly. if the ladies the pimps have were good, wouldn’t they be out showing themselves to get the best price and to get [u]all[/u] the money? also, note recent posting saying that going with a pimp can lead to a gambling scam.

[b]coffee shops / clubs around glorietta/greenbelt malls[/b]
[list][*]any [u]starbucks[/u] or [u]gloria jeans[/u], sitting at tables outside, alone or with another girl (ask the one you want, or take two, they're small!). watch for eye contact.
[*][u]shangri-la hotel, club on second floor[/u] - on a friday evening i found many girls here looking at me as i entered the bar. read my report from august 2003 to see just how naive steve can be.
[*][u]hard rock café[/u] - untried. in glorietta mall, third floor.
[*][u]dream bar[/u] - reported on forum, but nobody was there when i looked (9pm weekday). maybe it's better later or on weekends. near starbucks in glorietta mall.
[*][u]café havana[/u] or [u]havana café[/u] – ground floor, greenbelt 3, near starbucks. a club with live music, and ladies waiting to be picked up in the evening. i found some just outside, took one back to my hotel, she fit the usual gray area between professional and girlfriend discussed above. two reports mention that there are also ladyboys at havana.[/list][b]a short taxi ride from glorietta / greenbelt[/b]
[list][*][u]p. burgos street[/u] a quick taxi ride from makati cbd. you could walk it, but it’s hot, taxis are cheap, and you should save your energy for your entertainment. there are many clubs on this street, go-go and cabaret-style. i visited jools (bar fine 2000) and the one i liked (about an 8) could have been had for 1500 st plus bar fine, though her opening price was 3000. bar fines in other clubs ran 2000 to 3000 according to my doorman survey. [quote=firedick]p. burgos is the top of the line, the kind of places that guys on expense accounts go.[/quote][quote=golazo] burgos st. is a party haven, but as others have pointed out, the bars are pricey in comparison to edsa, la cafe or angeles. the girls are a bit more sophisticated in general and, maybe, a tad more quality in looks as a whole.[/quote]there are girls on the street, some of them are young and look very good. the makati forum has strong warnings against picking up street girls; disease or theft are said to be more likely; i have no experience here.
[*][u]palacio don pedro[/u] – untried. near p. burgos, don pedro st @ kayalan ave. ask for viewing room, 2000 (room) + 2000 (girl). [/list][b]nearby in manila[/b]

for the price of a longer taxi ride, you might get better prices, more variety, or a very classy experience (at air force one). during rush hour it can take an hour or more to get from glorietta/greenbelt to places in manila. in later evening and night it takes 15-30 minutes depending on the place. see also the more extensive reports in the manila thread. the sampling here is places i learned about in this forum; there’s a lot more in the manila forum. ermita is a neighborhood of manila.[list][*][u]la café, bar & grill,[/u] – untried. 1429 m.h.del pilar, ermita, manila; corner of salas street. [i]search tip:[/i] some postings spell it “l.a. cafe” and most use shortened form “la cafe” (without bar & grill). to say that opinions vary, or that la café is controversial, would put it mildly. many forum reports think highly of this place for price and quality; others say quality is not as good as others, one feels unsafe by appearance of the neighborhood, another assures us it is ok. in the quotes below, remember opinions vary; i’m trying to present a balanced range of opinion here. i suggest you skim a few pages in the manila thread, starting with juniour’s posting on 3-16-04, and make up your own mind. [quote=juniour] it’s a myth that all taxi drivers know where is the la café and how to find it, it is best to have clear directions given [in juniour’s] post[/quote][quote=goodenough]…for variety, i haven't found a place that beats la cafe.[/quote][quote=marc25]the girls stay overnight and 1500 is really appreciated.[/quote][*][u]jurassic park[/u] – untried, across the street from la café. [i]search tip:[/i] some posters may use “jurrasic park” instead of “jurassic park”, search for both. [quote=goodenough]the next time you're [at la café], take 15 minutes and check out the jurrasic park bar across the street. i had an excellent time. it's a different scene, but the dancers are cute and available. there's a bar fine, which you can avoid by making a date after the bar closes. there are few customers, some excellent women, and no hassles or pressure. ladies drinks are php350, but the ladies nurse them for a long time. there is no discussion by the way of fees for the ladies. i assume it's up to the client and the girls did not seem uptight about it. guys, check out this place when you get tired of burgos, edsa, and the other expensive joints.[/quote][*][u]amazonia[/u] – untried. [quote=goodenough] just up the street from la cafe. it's alot nicer, and it's new, so it has not yet had a chance to accumulate the grime and dirt characteristic of la.[/quote][quote=anzac]…a new club up the road from la and it gets some high quality freelancers. the music is pretty good and the place is very nice inside. watch out for the girl in the short skirt who will dance on your dick for 2 minutes and expect a 500 tip. all in all not a bad place to pick up, and all the waitresses wear hot uniforms and most are available for some after work nooky. i found that most girls are expecting 1500 pesos for an overnight stay at the moment, but there were a couple of girls who were happy to leave while i was still sleeping, without a cent (yes, my wallet was still there when i awoke.)[/quote][quote=member #2718] a block north of la cafe on the same street. it’s not quite as crowded as la and seems to have a better quality selection wise for your filipina companionship. your efforts will run anywhere from the cost of dinner and a hotel to around p3k depending on your negotiating skills and whither she is "in the business" or a coligeia on safari.[/quote][*][u]air force one[/u] – untried. flight 168 health spa, 888 ninoy aquino avenue, paraòaque city tel: 820 7249 / 820 7250 / 820 7244 / 512 9705 e-mail: [email]airforce1_ktv@hotmail.com[/email]. open 12pm-3am. located about ½ mile from casino philipino, cabs may not know it. for a really complete report, visit manila forum, article posted by juniour on 3-20-04. high class massage parlor, soapy girl experience, full service. [quote=juniour] this is a very upmarket massage parlour and karaoke lounge that is within a stones throw from the international airport and i would suggest after a long flight or before you depart you build in some time to stop here.[/quote][*][u]edsa complex[/u] – untried. along roxas blvd at ne corner of edsa, pasay city. long taxi ride during rush hour, 20 minutes in later evening. for a very complete report, see juniour’s posting in manila thread, 3-16-04. [quote=firedick]edsa complex is a cluster of gentlemens bars under one roof, on the north/east corner of edsa and roxas (runs along manila bay). try [it] for a little more "middle of the road" experience [compared to p. burgos] without having to go as low as street walkers. not a bad place for the first timer. [for taxi drivers] it is pronounced "ed sa". [/quote][quote=steven]action starts from 7pm until 4am [/quote] [quote=goodenough] …you can get one of the girls for about php2,000 inclusive of her time and the bar fine. there are so few foreigners hanging around the complex now, and so many girls, that you should have a wide selection from which to choose. however, i still don't like the aggression of the mama sans at edsa, and the price of the ladies drinks is ridiculous.[/quote]taxi drivers should know where it is, ask before you get in the cab. [/list][b]local guide[/b] – untried. this is presumably a fee-based option.[quote=gropapa] if you're new to the country and you are uncomfortable or are too busy to venture out alone, give my guide jay r a call 09174145416 - aside from the usual places we post about on this board jay r has other options depending on your needs.[/quote]

A million thanks to you Steve, that's a very usefull complete reports/tips from you.

1471

Great post, Steve!

Many thanks for compiling the info on this thread!

I went with a couple of my buds last saturday. we went early so we could get first pcik on the ladies. I was very impressed! most were in the 7-8 range. several 9's. Most of the girls we picked looked clean and classy. defintely recommend this place to anyone visiting!

[color=blue][b][u]Manila Update:[/u][/b][/color]

Unfortunately I am unable to spend a bit of time in Manila as planned earlier, I wanted at least three days here before departing back home but due to the extra time I had taken in Cebu I had only a couple of hours to pass through.

Originally, I had planned to get a massage at [color=blue][b]Airforce One[/b][/color] before departing on my long flight home arriving in the capital at just after 8.30am and clearing baggage control in the domestic airport, with a couple of hours to kill, I soon arrived to find that[color=blue] [b]Airforce One[/b] [/color]is not open 24 hours as anticipated and in fact opens at 12pm [i]doh![/i]. I also discover that at NAIA there is no left luggage facility so I now have to carry my baggage around with me.

Then someone from Airforce One suggested that I try[color=blue] [b]Star Trek[/b] [/color]which is literally a couple of doors down, its not an easy place to find if you are not familiar with the area; take the directions for Airforce One and then head to the McDonald and its only two doors down, in the upstairs car park is where you will find the entrance.[color=blue] [font=courier](See Steve Naïve’s post for the address of Airforce One.)[/font][/color]


I had gone in there but they open at 11.30am and it was now just 10.40am, having to check in at 12.30pm and with allowing for the mid-week traffic to get back to the airport. I went to McDonalds and grabbed a quick bite to eat but by the time I got back they said they had a girl on the way, but she didn’t materialize until around 12 midday, but my time had expired waiting around therefore I had to pass on this no matter how much I desperately wanted an nice massage before enduring 24 hours of travelling.

The girl that was on available was a seven, but an opportunity lost here if only these places were open 24 hours.

The address for Star Trek is:
[color=blue][indent] [b]STAR TREK[/b][/indent][indent] 3rd Floor Oyster Plaza Bldg. II [/indent][indent] Ninoy Aquino Ave. Corner Kabihasnan Road[/indent][indent] Paraňaque City[/indent][indent] Tel: 829-1998, 829-3861 [/indent][indent] e-mail:Starfleet@ktvphil.com[/indent][indent] [url]Starfleet.ktvphil.com[/url] [/indent][/color]

If you still have plenty of credit left on your cell and are using [color=blue][b]Smart[/b] [/color] you can still get and send text messages from your home countries.

[u]One hour[/u] before your flight you Text the message: [color=blue][b]ROAM ON[/b][/color] to [color=blue][b]333[/b][/color] you require an certain amount of credits to do this, I am not sure but I think more than 200 Pesos, you need to check that out, but its an option if you want to keep in touch for a while with your girls whilst at home and its inexpensive way to do it with Smart. This works with most telephones services in Europe, US and Asia but check out with Smart if you come from a small remote country. A link to Smart: [url]www.smart.com.ph[/url]

Many thanks to [color=blue][b]Steve Naïve’s[/b][/color] useful guide to punting in Makati for anyone new to the Philippines its worth have a read through before posting any questions. One of the more useful posts in this thread to read.

I still have many photos to post which I will do in due course.

Juniour

Junior,

About the only 24/7 operation is Skyline Massage which is on the 8th floor of the Grand Boulevard Hotel on Roxas Blvd. in Malate across from the baywalk. For 06:00 to 17:00 the single girl room rate is P1200; from 17:00 to 06:00 the rate goes up to P1500. It also boasts the largest selection of girls, though the early crew is only 5-6 girls. During the evenings that jumps to about 100 over the course of a night. The proceedure is you go to the aquarium, pick your girl, go to the room, shower, get your massage, then the "extra" which you negotiate with the MPA (usually somewhere between room rate and P2500). plan on about 1hr 15min for visit. They also do double, triple, quad, or quint girls asumming you have the budget and the stamina. You get extra time as your investment climbs.

As for Star Trek you missed out on there "Wet Thai" massage in their "presidential" aquarium. Your would need about 1 1/2 hours but it is something to be experienced as she lathers you up for a massage using her various body parts. I save it for "special" occassions.

Juniour, stick with [url]www.chikka.com[/url] when you need to keep in touch with the girls, it's free for you to send text and it costs the girl 2p per text.

Mook

[color=blue][b]Mookman[/b][/color]

Thanks for tip, on the cheaper texting with “Chikka”; I have now amended my Cebu post to include some information concerning Shan. But do take my advice for future reference, I am a stickler for punctuality, and [color=blue][u] time is money[/u][/color], if I make an appointment and they fail to show up within a reasonable time I just cancel. I did make an appointment for someone to come my hotel in Makati and was told that someone would be there in 30 minutes after 50 minutes I called back to cancel, the same way that you wouldn’t wait around in a restaurant for a meal for 45 minutes after you have ordered your meal, unless it is for free - business is business.


[color=blue][b]Member #2718[/b][/color]

Thanks for the advice on the Skyline massage, I will certainly make a note of this for the next time I am passing through Manila.


[color=blue][b]Juniour[/b][/color]

Shan was waiting with me at the coffee shop, I wasn't waiting for him or the girl only, that's why I gave him the benefit of the doubt and I talked to him for a hour about how he runs his business and crap like that.

Mook