Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2475329]Nah. I get why you would think that though. That is the old explanation based on old data. It is an explanation that benefits the libtards and Demorats wanting to get Trump out of office where government policy is all that matters with spread of the virus. To be sure, Trump and people under him have made mistakes, but that is only part of the reason for the viral spread.

So I get what you are saying. You look at China and a lesser degree Europe and say, "Hey, lock downs work. " but then you look at the Americas, and they have not. The explanation is that people in the Americas are lazy, non compliant dumb asses when in reality, the virus mutated, and the experts do not want to admit they fucked up with the advice they gave.[/QUOTE]This makes no sense at all. Unless the mutation involves the virus growing legs and opening doors, then there is no way for it to come from you in your house to me in my house usurping a lockdown. Good thing for me is that I lived under the old data in Thailand where the lockdown and mask wearing worked to eradicate the virus here with only 58 deaths and no need to sacrifice people in the name of the economy, regardless of how healthy or unhealthy they are.

This is a world of 195 countires. Not all of them revolve around libtards, Demorats, or Trump, yet many still are having problems with the virus.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475037]For each corona related death over a hundred lost their jobs. That's extreme. Furthermore, the ones dying aren't the ones with bright futures ahead. It's the ones with no future, it's the weak and old that have lived their lives and are now getting ready for their final rest. [/QUOTE]Sounds pretty simple and bright until it hits home and you have a friend the same age that died from the virus last week leaving behind small kids. I am sure my buddy and his wife and kids would have much rather he lost his job (which he did not) than his life. You can live without a job. You don't have to worry about having a job if you are dead.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2475540]Sounds pretty simple and bright until it hits home and you have a friend the same age that died from the virus last week leaving behind small kids. I am sure my buddy and his wife and kids would have much rather he lost his job (which he did not) than his life. You can live without a job. You don't have to worry about having a job if you are dead.[/QUOTE]A dear colleague passed away last week in Singapore. He died in cancer, if we had more routine check ups for cancer he probably would have been alive today. Does that mean that I want to turn the world upside down to ensure a monthly check for cancer? No. He died, it's tragic for his family and friends. I sure do mourn his death. People die, that's life. People die in traffic accidents, does it mean that I want ban all cars, trains and airplanes? No.

Your friend could just as well have died in a traffic accident.

A person losing his job might just as well wind up committing suicide.

I don't want to ban cars because there's a traffic accident and I don't support lockdowns because some weak mf: er couldn't handle the virus.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2475339]Myself and others have pointed out the slew of fallacies employed by Elvirus, most prominently goal posts shifts, non-sequitors, and strawmen. This Shoobrees though habitually employs the fallacy of the adnaseum or "proof by repetition. " This involves repeating the same claim over and over even though it has been effectively exposed as false. So what do you do? You just put the evidence to the contrary back in their face again. They of course are free to continue ignoring it and lying, nonetheless they have been exposed.

Covid causes more than death. Many suffer long term, debilitating symptoms and permanent damage is possible..[/QUOTE]Oh gosh, you truly don't have any real arguments, you only have your lies. Nothing that I wrote has been proven wrong.

It's ridiculous that you don't understand how this virus works and who are dying. It's mainly old people in nursing homes that can't take care of themselves. To me people that can't take care of themselves are not worth as much as others. If you're 60+ you can easily self quarantine, problem solved. There's no need for people under 50 to be locked up. Each man for himself. If you want to preach solidarity maybe you should stop using desperate ladies that would never give you a second of their time otherwise.

You present statistically outliers that are not interesting when looking at the bigger picture.

Habitually lying day after day for months in a monger forum, like Elvirus and Shoobree, is certainly at least as sad an existence as someone vegging out in a nursing home watching TV but can't his shoes. Yet no one is calling for these losers to be purged from the earth. For that they should feel fortunate.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2475581]Habitually lying day after day for months in a monger forum, like Elvirus and Shoobree, is certainly at least as sad an existence as someone vegging out in a nursing home watching TV but can't his shoes. Yet no one is calling for these losers to be purged from the earth. For that they should feel fortunate.[/QUOTE]Haha, you obviously don't know what a lie is. To have a different opinion than you isn't to lie. I notice that you lack self awareness, I'm not surprised. Maybe you should check your own posts, no doubt the world would be a better place without you and you would be missed by no one.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475573]Oh gosh, you truly don't have any real arguments, you only have your lies. Nothing that I wrote has been proven wrong.

It's ridiculous that you don't understand how this virus works and who are dying. It's mainly old people in nursing homes that can't take care of themselves. To me people that can't take care of themselves are not worth as much as others. If you're 60+ you can easily self quarantine, problem solved. There's no need for people under 50 to be locked up. Each man for himself. If you want to preach solidarity maybe you should stop using desperate ladies that would never give you a second of their time otherwise.

You present statistically outliers that are not interesting when looking at the bigger picture.[/QUOTE]Yo twerp, hardly statistical outliers when less than 50% of Covid deaths are nursing home related. 12,065 of the approximately 150,000 deaths in the US as of August 8th were of people under the age of 54. See attachment. Most of the rest were not in nursing homes and enjoyed quality of life. Covid also is known to cause a long term syndrome involving muliple organs in many survivors that may at times be permanent. Studies have also exposed neurological deficits in some small children. This once again overwhelmingly refutes this prior asinine statement from you.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475573]Furthermore, the ones dying aren't the ones with bright futures ahead. It's the ones with no future, it's the weak and old that have lived their lives and are now getting ready for their final rest. [/QUOTE]You've also employed a strawman. No one is suggesting that anyone be locked up but that reasonable practices are implemented, masks, social distancing, widespread testing and contact tracing, all of which have been demontrated as highly effective many places.

And this:

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475573]If you want to preach solidarity maybe you should stop using desperate ladies that would never give you a second of their time otherwise. [/QUOTE]LOLOL Now Now. What an onery little wuss we have here. Preaching on a monger board against using legal prostitution. What's the matter? Obviously getting caught lying time and again doesn't sit well with you. Nor did it when it was called to your attention that you and your country sacrificed 5000+ lives, 11 times the per capita death rate of your neighbor Norway in a failed, foolish experment.

Lasty, fallacies employed by the boy in this post:

Ad nauseam, by repeating the same false assertions over and over even though they have been repeatedly, effectively rebutted.

Strawman, when he talks about people being "locked up" when that isn't the recommendation, outside of some temporary quarantines with restricted movements in some hard hit places.

And ad hominem, attacking his opponent in a monger forum for enjoying hookers which has nothing to do with this Covid-19 discussion.

Logical fallacies, you and Elvirus have it going on. Such are the only refuge for the ill-educated and / or those that want to keep arguing long after their position has been destroyed.

ME, you cannot have it both ways. You cannot believe the virus is spread by droplets and then support Fauci and his hand washing decrees and his call for not wearing masks. If that does not make sense to you, then you do not understand the two thought processes of how the virus is spread.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2475538]Good thing for me is that I lived under the old data in Thailand where the lockdown and mask wearing worked to eradicate the virus here with only 58 deaths and no need to sacrifice people in the name of the economy, regardless of how healthy or unhealthy they are.[/QUOTE]Eradicated? It is more like slowed the spread of the least infectious variant of the virus. The virus raging through India is a more infectious mutation and to me it coming to Thailand is just a matter of time.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2475581]Habitually lying day after day for months in a monger forum, like Elvirus and Shoobree, is certainly at least as sad an existence as someone vegging out in a nursing home watching TV but can't his shoes. Yet no one is calling for these losers to be purged from the earth. For that they should feel fortunate.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I can see for someone like you Mr. New York New York that it would be lying. Anyone who disagrees with you is lying, involved in irrational fantasies ETC. It is not like you engage in logical fallacies. "You want Colombia to open up so you can get cheap pussy."

Zero Hedge linked this article from the UK telegraph: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/sweden-hit-rare-covid-triple-whammy-no-lockdowns-low-deaths-minimal-economic-damage[/URL].

Out of the three options, Sweden took option 2 while most of the rest of the world took a variant of option 3.

Of course, to you, taking option 2 was complete and other failure. It is too bad that some of the people of the UK disagree with you.

Thing is an article like this could never be written in the USA. Such an article would be tossed in the trash in the USA and claimed to be costing lives, the author stupid ETC. It is funny to losers like you New York New York think that descent equals stupidity.

It is funny how New York New York, you never comment on JJBee's logical missteps: attacking the source instead of disproving the facts, making bold mathematical statements based on estimated data, every time Fauci is quoted the context is off, and the ad hominem attacks. In fact, here you are engaging in the same ad hominem type attack.

Of course, that IS the Demorat libtard way. Nothing is illogical if you are attacking the Republican POV. Most Republicans I know want a variant of option 2. Most Demorats want option 3 not because it saves more lives but because IMO destroying the economy gets rid of Trump.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475566]People die in traffic accidents, does it mean that I want ban all cars, trains and airplanes? No.[/QUOTE]These modes of transportation have also developed safety standards in order to curtail injuries and death that nobody is arguing with. Nobody is running around talking about fuck those seat belts, fuck that bolt that is holding the wing on, fuck that ABS the way they are talking about fuck those masks and fuck distancing and fuck people that may not be as healthy or young as others. The way you talk they should have let the Boeing 737 Max keep flying around and may the fittest people survive the crashes because we would not want Boeing employees to lose jobs and kill themselves.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475566] People die, that's life. People die in traffic accidents, does it mean that I want ban all cars, trains and airplanes? [/QUOTE]Yet another logical fallacy, and a glaring one that MrE well exposed in post #521.

Add False Analogy to the list. It's getting long.

[URL]https://www.thoughtco.com/false-analogy-fallacy-1690850[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2475679]Yet another logical fallacy, and a glaring one that MrE well exposed in post #521.

Add False Analogy to the list. It's getting long.

[URL]https://www.thoughtco.com/false-analogy-fallacy-1690850[/URL][/QUOTE]As usual you got it wrong, and the logical fallacy are you standing for.

It's pathetic that you don't have any real arguments. You really live up to the repetition you Americans have across the world.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2475665]These modes of transportation have also developed safety standards in order to curtail injuries and death that nobody is arguing with. Nobody is running around talking about fuck those seat belts, fuck that bolt that is holding the wing on, fuck that ABS the way they are talking about fuck those masks and fuck distancing and fuck people that may not be as healthy or young as others. The way you talk they should have let the Boeing 737 Max keep flying around and may the fittest people survive the crashes because we would not want Boeing employees to lose jobs and kill themselves.[/QUOTE]But people still die in large scales despite these measures, yet we don't ban cars, trains nor planes.

So no one are exceeding the speed limits, thank you for the laugh. A lockdown is the equivalent of banning cars.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2475679]Yet another logical fallacy, and a glaring one that MrE well exposed in post #521.

Add False Analogy to the list. It's getting long.

[URL]https://www.thoughtco.com/false-analogy-fallacy-1690850[/URL][/QUOTE]Really? How is a comparison to risks and benefits a false analogy?

Oh, I forgot. To a pompous ass like you New York New York who knows everything there is to know about a brand new virus and what is best for everyone, it would be a false analogy but to the rest of who are still uncertain about what works and what does not, it is an apt analogy.

When I quote Fauci being dead wrong about something, that is not illogical thinking, that is taking him out of context.

When scientists change the number on the percentage required for herd immunity, that is not moving the goal posts. No, only I do that.

You presented a Yale study but their projections were dead wrong. The response to their being wrong was, Peru and Peruvians suck, which you called well reasoned.

You are not objective and logical New York New York. You are one of the most arrogant and subjective people I have known on line and in real life. Anyone who shares your point of view is well reasoned. Anyone against it is stupid, a typical Demorat trait; all Republicans are stupid!

You remind of a fat woman I saw on a bike at the gym with the sweat oozing out of every pore of her body. What oozes off of you is not sweat but arrogance, and you make her look good in comparison. How is that for a false analogy?

Run by someone showing real leadership!

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/gov-cuomos-controversial-order-requiring-nursing-homes-to-admit-covid-19-patients-was-reportedly-removed-from-new-yorks-health-website/ar-BB14GiNL[/URL]

Gov. Andrew Cuomo's March 25 order that required nursing homes to admit patients who were suspected to have or had tested positive for COVID-19 has been deleted from the state of New York's website, Fox News reported Tuesday.

JJBirdbrain and Paulie, Mr. New York New York respond, "Oh Fox News? Pfft!

It was the single dumbest decision anyone could make if they wanted to kill people," Daniel Arbeeny, whose 88-year-old father died of COVID-19 after he removed him from a Brooklyn nursing facility, told the Associated Press.

Or in Mr. New York New York's POV, it was brilliant.

As the AP reported, Cuomo reportedly ordered over 4,300 recovering COVID-19 patients to be sent to nursing homes. At least 5,800 people have died of COVID-19 in New York State nursing homes or adult care facilities.

And here we have why Mr. New York New York on the proper way of accepting responsibility.

"New York followed the president's agencies' guidance," Cuomo said during a press conference on Saturday. "What New York did was follow what the Republican Administration said to do. That's not my attempt to politicize it. It's my attempt to depoliticize it. So don't criticize the state for following the president's policy. ".