Saint Petersburg

Exact addresses are not publicly available, certainly for safety reasons. You have to phone them to get the address and then call again to get the apartment number or the mamochka meet you downstairs.

[b]Photomodeli :[/b]
Kamennoostrovkiy 24 (Petrograd) : (812)941-1400; 955-1800
Kamennoostrovkiy 24 (Bolchaya Monetnaya, Petrograd) : (812)995-2929; 991-0068
Nevskiy 63 (Nevskogo Palaca, center, near Nevsky Palace Hotel) : (812)948-6200
Marata 22 (center, near Mayakovskaya metro) : (812)965-1515, 914-01-03
Nesvkiy 95 (Suvorovskom, near Vosstania) : (812)931-6161
Nesvkiy 162 (Straronevskom, end of Nesvky Prospect) : (812)947-4100 (first salon); (812)958-1118 (second salon just upstairs)
Efimova 1/4 (near Sennaya) : (812)998-3333; 951-6200
Gorokhovaya (near Sennaya) : (812) 946-20-46, 954-1001
(see [url]http://www.photomodeli.ru/index_html.php?action=salon[/url] and my reports [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=384012&postcount=465]part 1[/url] and [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=384746&postcount=472]part 2[/url])

[b]Domino :[/b]
[url=http://amurspb.ru/agencies/agencies/41/]Domino L (Chernyshevskaya)[/url] : 973-34-19
[url=http://amurspb.ru/agencies/agencies/38/]Domino B (Vladimirskaya / Dostoevskaya)[/url] : 972-32-02
[url=http://amurspb.ru/agencies/agencies/5/]Domino C (Petrograd)[/url] : 972-38-37; 974-44-03
(didn't go there but seems good)

[b]Emmanuelle :[/b]
[url=http://amurspb.ru/agencies/agencies/13/]Mayakovskaya / Vosstania[/url] : 974-35-05; 973-98-28
[url=http://amurspb.ru/agencies/agencies/14/]Vladimirskaya / Dostoevskaya[/url] : 970-14-44; 974-65-95; 973-97-87
(didn't go there but seems good)

[b]Other salons :[/b] [url]http://amurspb.ru/agencies/[/url]

[QUOTE=Dant75] You have to phone them to get the address and then call again to get the apartment number or the mamochka meet you downstairs.
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What are the odds of getting someone to answer who can understand and give directions in English?

[QUOTE=etaoin2003]What are the odds of getting someone to answer who can understand and give directions in English?[/QUOTE]
This can be an issue because Mamochka speaks often only russian. But they also often have a girl who speak some english and who can guide you.

If you already know the address (like Photomodeli salons), go there and call with mobile or telephone card. If nobody speaks english, try to learn those words :
[i]"Zdrastvuite. Ya na ulitse ou salona. Pajalousta vstretite minia"[/i] : "Hello. I'm in the street in front of the salon, please meet me".

If you want to call before and check who is working : [i]"Zdrastvuite. Segodnya Yest Ira ? Yest Masha ? Yest Natasha ? ..."[/i] : "Hello. Today is there Ira ? ...", pronounce Segodnya a little like Seevodnya.

Best thing about salon is that you will pay the same price as russians : english speaking or not speaking girl, beautiful or ugly, the price is the same for everybody in the salon.

Thanx a lot Dant75!

i'll try to check out as much as possible!

[QUOTE=Dant75]Exact addresses are not publicly available, certainly for safety reasons. You have to phone them to get the address and then call again to get the apartment number or the mamochka meet you downstairs.

[b]Photomodeli :[/b]
Kamennoostrovkiy 24 (Petrograd) : (812)941-1400; 955-1800
Kamennoostrovkiy 24 (Bolchaya Monetnaya, Petrograd) : (812)995-2929; 991-0068
Nevskiy 63 (Nevskogo Palaca, center, near Nevsky Palace Hotel) : (812)948-6200
Marata 22 (center, near Mayakovskaya metro) : (812)965-1515, 914-01-03
Nesvkiy 95 (Suvorovskom, near Vosstania) : (812)931-6161
Nesvkiy 162 (Straronevskom, end of Nesvky Prospect) : (812)947-4100 (first salon); (812)958-1118 (second salon just upstairs)
Efimova 1/4 (near Sennaya) : (812)998-3333; 951-6200
Gorokhovaya (near Sennaya) : (812) 946-20-46, 954-1001
(see [url]http://www.photomodeli.ru/index_html.php?action=salon[/url] and my reports [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=384012&postcount=465]part 1[/url] and [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=384746&postcount=472]part 2[/url])

[b]Domino :[/b]
[url=http://amurspb.ru/agencies/agencies/41/]Domino L (Chernyshevskaya)[/url] : 973-34-19
[url=http://amurspb.ru/agencies/agencies/38/]Domino B (Vladimirskaya / Dostoevskaya)[/url] : 972-32-02
[url=http://amurspb.ru/agencies/agencies/5/]Domino C (Petrograd)[/url] : 972-38-37; 974-44-03
(didn't go there but seems good)

[b]Emmanuelle :[/b]
[url=http://amurspb.ru/agencies/agencies/13/]Mayakovskaya / Vosstania[/url] : 974-35-05; 973-98-28
[url=http://amurspb.ru/agencies/agencies/14/]Vladimirskaya / Dostoevskaya[/url] : 970-14-44; 974-65-95; 973-97-87
(didn't go there but seems good)

[b]Other salons :[/b] [url]http://amurspb.ru/agencies/[/url][/QUOTE]

Does anybody know if the massage parlor in "Barmaleeva street 9" and the appartment with some girls at "Newsky 128" still exist?

Thanx a lot.

A lesson in futility:

There are days were everything goes perfectly. Meet a girl. Feel some connection. Thoughts and feelings metamorphisize into a chain of events that leave you happy, satisfied and feeling like you are king of the world… or at the very least, momentarily king of your own sexual destiny. This can happen with a pro, a freebie or anything in between...

There are however other kinds of days…

Like last Sunday.

With Sunday drawing to a close and my impossibly cute but aggravatingly innocent, shy and virginal date having scurried off alone into the metro after giving me a single worthless peck on the cheek, I pondered my options. I had a long list of internet pro contacts, plus the truly quality option of going to either the Fotomodeli or Domino salons for 2 hours of fun at the bargain price of $100, so it should have been reasonably easy for me to spend my final night in St.Pete in the comfort of my own apartment and in the arms of a lovely Russian lady/girl/woman. But I was in the mood for something new, and besides that I wasn’t really in the mood to go to a salon. Going to a salon was too habitual and seemed too simple. Too easy.

So despite my best intentions, I decided to go to that notorius pickup bar that everybody knows and most avoid...Tribunal. As they say, curiousity killed the cat.

How do you spell trouble?

“T-R-I-B-U-N-A-L” and “M-A-Y-A”

I hate Tribunal. I have always hated that place. I cant recall ever having a decent experience there. Sure the strippers are ok. The beer, although overpriced, is still beer. It is next door to Red Lion, a place that isn’t bad, especially as a starter to a long night. But Tribunal and Doc Skank just don’t mix. I really should have known better. In fact, I really DO know better…. But still…

I had hoped this time would be different. Last time I was there, together with Rovnak, I had met a quite homely (that is a nice way to say unattractive) MILFish central Asian looking chick with a lot of energy and an aggressive approach to the business.

Now everybody who has ever been to TRIBUNAL must know this chick, who goes by the name Maya and is fairly short and quite slender, and with an admittedly rock hard ass. She literally throws herself at every guy that comes there and doesn’t pretend to be there for any reason other than her job. She approaches this aspect with a refreshing openness and honesty, which I respect. She seemed professional in the good sense of the word, and that is just what I wanted on this evening. Not pretty… but professional and energetic. This was exactly what I was looking for.

Having entered the club and taking a look around, I didn’t spot much talent there at all, but then again I have personally rarely seen anything really special there. Nonetheless I couldn’t be bothered to try any other place, since I had a 0930 business meeting and planned on calling it a fairly early night. I was on a snatch and grab mission. Get in, get the package and get out.

Maya made the first part of my mission easy, as she ran up to me like a heat-seeking missile and latched all over me. Within 5 minutes we had left the building, agreeing on $150 for a few hours.

Some my ask why I chose her, a question I in fact ask myself now, but I was sold on her advertising. I expected her, a seasoned and energetic pro, to put on a quality performance, to suck cock BBBJ with energy and spirit, to bone all night and leave in the morning when I asked without any silly commentary or attitude. A non-complicated fuck. Besides that, I felt $150 was a more than fair price and that she would put in some extra effort. After all, in my opinion she was a 6 at best, although her body clearly rated a bit higher, her face was ... well, I wont say anything because to say something woudl simply be impolite.

But I wasn’t really interested in a younger, prettier girl. I have enough of those already. For some odd reason, I just wanted this aging pro, who I would guess to be 30ish, to satisfy me, and let me do my “worst” to her in that tochka sort of way. Somehow, stupidly, I even thought she'd be appreciative. My mistake. It was a stupid assumption.

After a stop for drinks, another good sign that the evening was going as planned, we went back to my apartment and got down to business.

That’s however when the evening went sour.

Maya seemed determined to get the deed over as quickly as possible and went straight for sex, not even pausing for a blow job. As a matter of fact, the whole mood was jeopardized early on even as we were touching each other and rolling around in the bed… while doing this she made me put on a condom. I asked her why and she said she didn’t want my dick, which was standing rock hard at attention, to touch her body at all.

HUH?

I have never heard this before. How was I going to enjoy this if even while petting and caressing I was wearing a condom? And more importantly, if she wasn’t going to let my dick even touch her body, she certainly wasn’t going to give me a BBBJ.

Things were not going well. When I touched her neatly trimmed and nice-looking pussy with my fingers she yelped and looked at me with “deer in the headlights” eyes… staring at me with a dumbfounded stare as if I’d cut off her right finger or told her Putin was gay. Touching her pussy was off limits too.

She didn’t do this, she didn’t do that… We were barely 30 minutes into the evening and I already wanted to kick her out and cut my losses.

But undaunted, we continued.

Maya insisted on having a drink, a vodka-orange, and the mood lightened a bit. Nonetheless, we spent much of the night arguing.

Maya couldn’t stop yapping in that childish self-righteous tone Russians have when they think they invented the wheel and are the only country on the planet that matters or has culture. This is an attitude typical of the communist generations, which made me further wonder just how old Maya actually was.

Maya’s theories:

· She doesn’t like to give blow jobs, because blow jobs are for homosexuals
· she “only” charged me $150 because she thought I was Finnish and that I would, like Finnish men do, be “finnished” in 5 minutes and she could then go back to Tribunal and get a second customer. If she had known I was American she would have charged more. Was that a compliment or an insult? I think a bit of both.
· Men who stay in apartments are cheap sex tourists. “Real men” stay in Astoria and other expensive hotels and don’t ask about money, they just give her whatever she wants. She said she only liked rich and clever men. I think she didn’t think I was either. I think she likes rich dumb men. My apartment seemed cheap to her. Some of the lights didn’t work. I explained to her it wasn’t MY apartment but rather like a hotel. She didn’t seem to understand this and kept talking about the poor condition of MY apartment, as if it was somehow beneath her.
· She claimed to make 5000 euro a month at Tribunal. She asked me if that was a lot of money. I told her that in the US, anything above 6 figures is considered good money. 5000 euro was ok money, but not considered “good money”, whatever that means. She couldn’t comprehend what I was talking about. I doubt her figure anyway. Assuming she works EVERY night, that means 166 Euros a night. No fucking way. Unless of course her other theory is true, that Russian men sometimes pay her 1000 Euros a night or even 200 Euros just to talk to her.

Uh huh.

Then why the fake designer goods and the cheap watch babe? If she really does make 5k Euro a month, it is a further demonstration of everything that is wrong with Russia. They simply have no concept of what money is. She certainly didn’t deserve anything close to that.
· She hates men. I believe her. The classic used up pro. Been fucked too much. Fucked around. Fucked over. Her energetic smile in the club was all fake. I should have known better.

And on and on.

Finally I decided to get it over with and coaxed her into giving me a blowjob, with condom of course. I really didn’t mind that, because by now I really wasn’t sure I wanted my dick in her mouth at all. She at least gave me a 20 second half-hearted CBJ that was more torture than pleasure and as it was getting late and I needed sleep, I decided to kick her out and told her I didn’t want to come and she should get her things and leave. I said this in a nice way, expecting her to be happy as most *****z would be. But this was the worst part. SHE WOULDN’T LEAVE!

She began an incoherent rambling about “my cheapness”…

Her: “why you so angry for money, give me $100 more and I make you come!”

Me: “I don’t want to come, I want to sleep. You can leave.”

Her, “why you don’t want me, what is wrong with me?”

Me: “Nothing is wrong with you, I just have to work and the morning and want to sleep”

Her: “Russian man give me more money and I stay. It is normal”

Me: “I gave you money and now I want you to leave… that is normal”

And on and on.

I give her a list of the 42 things she did wrong. Apparently her usual clientel isn’t very demanding as she thought even the simplest things were “extras”.

This went on for what seemed like hours… I kept telling her to put on her clothes and go, but she was determined to stay, clinging to me like some wild animal and putting her fake kisses all over my body and trying to coax me into fucking her . I am sure that her central motivation was to get more money out of me and not to satisfy me, but her behavior became so erratic that I really didn’t know what to think. I just wanted her out.

Finally at about 0730, a mere two hours before my morning business meeting, I got her to dress and leave, giving her a healthy tip she didn’t deserve… but was seemingly the only way to make her leave. Of course she complained about the tip, but it was really a large one. I took her to the street and she kept stopping me, begging me to go back inside and fuck her. I wasn’t sure if her female ***** pride had been hurt or if she hoped to get even more money out of me… but I just wanted her gone gone gone. Even on the street as she got her taxi, she was clinging to me, trying to kiss me and asking me why I didn’t want her.

What a disaster. I think she ranks nr.2 on my all-time list of worst pros ever.

It was so demoralizing for me, that I really feel it will be a long before I take another pro.

Just like a really great night with a pro can fuel your addiction for months and keeps you going back to try to capture the emotions of a perfect night, a really bad night like mine can make you feel cheap and used and somehow defeated, morally and spiritually.

As for me, I’ll just be on the lookout for some real affection for a while. I just don't know where to look.

Dr Skank, deepest sympathy/empathy for your dreadful ordeal, hope it never happens again!

Bois

Does somebody know if the massage parlor in "Barmaleeva street 9" and the appartment in "Nevsky 128" are still exist?

A literery work of Art!

But as you've probobaly shagged 3,000 women ( 2,997 more than me), my sympathy is limited.

Take an overall view.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]·................Men who stay in apartments are cheap sex tourists. “Real men” stay in Astoria and other expensive hotels and don’t ask about money, they just give her whatever she wants.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear what happened, Doc.

The comments she made is shared by many Russian pros and even some civies. I always wonder why they could be so unappreciative when they have so little money. I'll bet the "cheap apartment" you were staying is 10 times better than her apartment.

I really love Russian women, but when it comes to money issues all bets are off. I don't know what is wrong with some of them. Is it because they are so poor that it's ingrained in their minds, that they never want to be poor again? I don't know.

"Russian men give them money, it's normal (normalo)"

I heard this one also. Then why they all flock to foreign men if Russian men are so generous? If we are that cheap, why they still want to meet foreigners?

Thanks for sharing the story, Doc.

Doc,

The next time you come apart such a "sour babe" as that, just go nuclear, and threaten her with a back hand! Afterall, she is getting paid good money, and apparently is bitching about it! Once your displeasure with her mind numbing complaining has become apparent, she will refocus on a better quality performance, and purrr like a kitten.

PS: I was in the Tribunal Bar once last spring (2005), and had a blast there!

Tommasini

Wow Doc,
That is why I never set foot in that place. When I first moved to SPB in 2002 Tribunal and Marstalls were still in their heyday. Now the shuffle of doped out, worn out working girls in both places is just sad. What is even worse is the fact that these zombie pros have twice the attitude that they used to have. I wish that there was a place with the atmosphere of the old days with decent attitudes. I am still trying to get some time off and make a trip over. If anyone finds some decent spots let me know. Cheers and happy hunting.

Honored ISG Comrades!

Thanks for your words of support. Actually I think the rate of non- or poor performing pros in Russia is quite low, so I really only reported on Maya because I thought she was particularly awful and had a horrible attitude. I have had bad experiences before with others, but sometimes I think the lack of chemistry was my fault… drank too much, bad mood or something like that. But in this case, it was all her… and she had the audacity to keep trying to milk me for even more money. What a bitc€….

CharlieH:

“The comments she made is shared by many Russian pros and even some civies. I always wonder why they could be so unappreciative when they have so little money.”

Some pros do make quite decent money, but that is still no excuse to make comments like “$150 is no money” and then symbolically blow the $150 into the wind, which is what Maya did. I realize that you don't "buy a girl" for any amount of money, you just buy their time... but I really hate it when they assume that what you have given them, whether $100, $150 or $300, is "nothing". It is a business deal and they should keep their end of the deal.

Paradoxically, the salon girls, who often work harder than escorts and bar girls, generally earn less and would be very happy to see any type of decent tip.

“I really love Russian women, but when it comes to money issues all bets are off. I don't know what is wrong with some of them. Is it because they are so poor that it's ingrained in their minds, that they never want to be poor again? I don't know. “

There is definitely some truth to that, although their relative poverty is hard to judge. Many Russian girls, pros or otherwise, simply aren’t that poor anymore. Russia is becoming a caste system and this type of girl will do anything to climb the social and economic ladder. Perhaps it really is partially survival instinct and they never want to be poor again, although I am sure there are many other cultural factors involved. Its also one of the few countries were I really feel that the rich hate the poor, and the poor will do anything to escape this stigma.

”I heard this one also. Then why they all flock to foreign men if Russian men are so generous? If we are that cheap, why they still want to meet foreigners? “

They certainly don’t all flock to foreigners, at least not any more. Being a foreigner in upper level Russian clubs is not an inherent advantage with many girls. They are interested in money, security, long-term relationships and fun. In most cases, a foreign tourist can offer them only two of those four factors... money and fun. And there are plenty of Russian guys who can give them that as well. It is getting harder and harder for average-incomed Westerners/foreigners to access really upper class women... especially if you are only in the country for a few days. If you spend a long time in the country or even live there, of course you can access a whole new level of girl. That's just natural. Money is something that plenty of Russian men have and as we all know, women follow money. In the 90’s it was perceived that foreigners were all rich and “a better catch” than Russians and for many Russian women, getting a foreign man was a way to escape poverty. These days I find even average-looking Russian girls having Russian men throw money at them. It is a fact of life in modern Russia, especially Moscow. Moscow money is now flowing into St.Pete and other cities, so I fear that this change of preference in selecting men is well underway there as well.

Tommasini:

Thanks for your comments. I do realize that the threat of violence or force is considered by many to be an effective method of getting your girl back in line. I usually just don’t like to do that, even though I do agree that it is sometimes the only solution. In Maya’s case, I did get rough with her a bit… when I was trying to throw her out. She did react to it as well, and did get more receptive… for a few seconds. But she still wasn’t going to do anything like give a decent blowjob or perform well… and the words “more money” were never removed from her vocabulary. She was simply a bad apple… or just had a very bad night.

When you went to Tribunal and enjoyed it, which girl or kind of girl did you take? What did you pay? I really have never been impressed by anything I have seen there (except for the strippers)…

I understand your point Doc. I had almost the exact experience myself in Odessa just after this last New Years; an agreed upon price and money paid. Then sudenly - new requests for more money, stories of her hard life, with consumption of my champagne and this never ending chain-smoking in my living room?

I honestly wanted to smack her! However, me being a foreigner in a foreign country, and the potential harsh consequences from any local (s) and/or police who might see her twisted side. A menacing growl and the return of my money before her exit was my same result as well? I only recommended the other reaction partly out of 2nd hand hindsight, but maybe we both had done it correctly?

My time in the Tribunal Bar; I arrived with a girl friend already in tow in the early spring of 2005. She works for a local porn site, and had volunteered her services for showing me her city in exchange for dinner. The Hermitage. The Neva River. Peter the Great. Then, stumbling upon the Tribunal Bar; great music, tastsy drinks, and sexy dancer girls all helped climax an evening that eventually led back to my flat just off Nevsky Prospekt. Cost, dinner, a few drinks. And a romantic stoll through the heart of St Petersburg. Continued luck Doc in your travels.

Tommasini

Doc I think you get the point when you wrote that you "buy her time" and not the girl.

I went,few times with you too, to Tribunal but even if I talk with more than one girl there, I never took nobody home. The place is not so bad, I felt better than in Magrib, but all the girls gave me the feeling of pieces of...ice!

When I am going to take a pro, I always ask in advance if she allow French Kissing and bbbj,if not I will not take her. The first reason is because I cannot understand why I have to pay to get much less than from a regular girl I can find in disco, but the second, main, reason it is that the kind of girl as you took will never allow them and the girls that allow are, from my experience, very friendly in bed and a sort of real GFE.
Then nevermind if you will change idea and decide to put condom and not kiss her, you know that you have higher chance to have something unforgettable.
So I prefer to kill in a while all the good feeling I get with her asking if she allows french kissing and bbbj, instead to have then inside my flat a such asshole.

Many years ago I was pretty shy to ask such things,( some pro looked at me in strange way) but after some sad experiences now I always ask in advance and I do not remember the last time I took pro without the safety I can have bbbj and I can kiss her, even if sometimes I then put condom,but it was my and not her decision.

Sometimes I came back to flat alone, but the times I found, I found something that I never complain.

The only time you "buy a girl" is tockha, and this is why in every city I miss them, or, something similar you have when you take SW and in private saloon and this is why I like them.

Just my opinion.