Kyiv

[QUOTE=Jojosun]IF you want to see the goodies, then a trip to RP, ARENA, Shooters, is the order of the day..[/QUOTE]Thanks for great info Jojosun.

As for arena and shooters, isn't there a lot of locals girl there also? As ukranian ladies like to dress up the same way, pro or not, isn't it hard to distinguish between the 2 at these places?

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Oh, at last, another wrote the same conclusion: strictly a business!

But you are too romantic, like almost all readers here: out of the dirty game? No!

I knew too many girls who like their men because those men are their pimps!!!

If you want a girl forever, then I strongly suggest to become a pimp and you will have all girls loving you as a god.

But becoming a pimp is very hard, because a pimp has to manage a lot of disgusting trades: prostitution is just the final product of his production process.[/QUOTE]

Sorry Acolonizer but I have to disagree with you on that one, none of the girls I knew at the River Palace were working for pimps. Some of them had boyfriends but in many cases the boyfriend was unaware that his woman was a working girl. I know that sounds unbelievable but never underestimate the guile of a slavic woman.

As for wanting to leave the game most of them most certainly do, not because they hate the business but because they are shrewd enough to realise that their profession has a limited shelf life. As they edge towards 30 the punters become scarcer and the income drops considerably. Like I said in my other post it's all about business.

[QUOTE=Perolav]And I forgot to write from 18-27.

The ones who want to take 27-35 please advise.[/QUOTE]What you have to realise as well, that a lot your messages on flirt are handeled by call or business centres, who are online to recieve, and send out messages on behalf of the girls.

This was confirmed to me by one girl, that I met through flirt.

Also, you will find, that some girls will use different photos, names, and even prices, this also applies to top models, and models escorts. Com.

I respond and look for the age group 18- 25.

27-35 age group, are mainly looking for relationships, and if the are looking for a sponsor, they will lie about their age, and lower it to attract business.

[QUOTE=Jojosun]Hi Billy.

Did you actually bang a girl in this club?

And if so, was it I a proper room at the back of the club?

How much did you pay, for one hour?

This is really, a good discovery, and I am tempted to fly back there again, just to try this club, if the price is right for onsite action.

Many thanks[/QUOTE]I actually checked out this place

100 grivna to get in

I was quoted 1600 grivna to bang a girl for one hour in one of their rooms or take out to my apartment

400 grivna for a private lap dance for 2 songs

The ladies were average to above average, but I did not find any stunners

I ended up getting a private lap dance for 400 grivna with a 20 yr old brunnete

Pretty Expensive

Checked out Rio Strip Club on Sat Night at around 1:00 am

Good selection of girls.

Many of them had natural perky tits, perfect 10 butt and not an inch of fat on their waist.

100 grivna to get in.

50 grivna tip for dancer if she dances at your table.

200 grivna for a private dance.

I was interested in this 20 yr old tall, blue eyed brunnete girl for take out.

Too bad it was her first day at work and she was available for a lap dance only, no "intim service".

Ended up getting a lap dance with a blond who was also available for take out for $300 for 2 hrs with no BBBJ or kissing.

I ended up getting a lap dance only and called it a night.

Checked out RP Tuesday/Wednesday Night.

Good selection of girls and not those many patrons.

60 grivna to get in.

Got myself seated and checked out the talent, many would go on the dance floor and gyrate.

Talked with a few ladies at the bar. Almost all quoted $300 to start with and came down to $200 for 2 hrs.

On the first night I banged an authentic 25 yr old Russian girl, slim with bob cut, she was pretty drunk on the way out and ended up staying at my place till noon.

On Wednesday, banged a 20 yrd old blonde dressed in a mini skirt.

Luckily for me, I got BBBJ's on both nights and anal on the first night, but this could have been because the lady was drunk.

I think I went thrice on both nights.

Although Wednesday night would have to be hotter, this girl even called me a sex maaniac, haha.

Hello, the notorious Mytery Tramp is now on internet!

[url]http://kievescortlady.com/lenakievescortmodel.php[/url].

Or is it somebody using her photos?

Yes, I agree with you for almost all. You forgot the FIRST rule in Slavic world: no trust anyone.

I had some similar experiences.

Slavic women call their men as friends, lovers, boyfriends, husbands or etc., but if Slavic women are prostitutes, it is logic their men are no less than pimps.

Maybe those men want their women are prostitutes, maybe those men are indifferent their women are prostitutes, maybe those men don't want to know their women are prostitutes, but in all cases those men fuck their women for free and get money by them, therefore in all cases those men are pimps.

Or, from a Western point of view, if you are the boyfriend, then are you so stupid not to understand your girlfriend fuck a lot of men besides you?

This lifestyle was more common in the past (the famous "warm blankets for hotel customers") and it is still existing at the present. This is one of the biggest cultural difference between Western and Eastern Europe.

So what happens? Woman says her man doesn't know about her prostitution, man says her woman is not a prostitute, both of them just to show a good appearance of their relationship to the outer world, but both of them want money only and they never matter about prostitution.

[QUOTE=Tremayne]Sorry Acolonizer but I have to disagree with you on that one, none of the girls I knew at the River Palace were working for pimps. Some of them had boyfriends but in many cases the boyfriend was unaware that his woman was a working girl. I know that sounds unbelievable but never underestimate the guile of a slavic woman.

As for wanting to leave the game most of them most certainly do, not because they hate the business but because they are shrewd enough to realise that their profession has a limited shelf life. As they edge towards 30 the punters become scarcer and the income drops considerably. Like I said in my other post it's all about business.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jacklesslove]I actually checked out this place

100 grivna to get in

I was quoted 1600 grivna to bang a girl for one hour in one of their rooms or take out to my apartment

400 grivna for a private lap dance for 2 songs

The ladies were average to above average, but I did not find any stunners

I ended up getting a private lap dance for 400 grivna with a 20 yr old brunnete

Pretty Expensive[/QUOTE]Many thanks for your reply.

I thought Billy Elliot, quoted 400 to 800 grevnas to bang the girl in the club. And 300 dollars for take out.

1600 is bloody expensive, that is $200, or £123.

And the lap dance for 400 grivnas?

[QUOTE=Perolav]Thanks for great info Jojosun.

As for arena and shooters, isn't there a lot of locals girl there also? As ukranian ladies like to dress up the same way, pro or not, isn't it hard to distinguish between the 2 at these places?[/QUOTE]If they are working, you will get the looks and more than a hint.

Also check the massage places, some of the girl students working there, are up to it, if it is on an outcall basis in your place, and if they like you.

[QUOTE=Billy Elliot]She will put a condom on your cock, then blow u, then sit on it and bounce up and down, give it to her doggy on the couch etc for the hour. The cost I can't remember exactly but it was not expensive. I also saw her strip first so I saw exactly what I was getting first.

From memory it was about £80, but is alot cheaper than RP and it was near my hotel at the Rus Hotel so could just walk home later on. There was about 7 women there on Saturday night at about 2am.

. You can take the woman home but it is expensive. About 3, 200 gr (£240).

As a tip, when you go there you walk up the driveway, then the club is on the left side when you turn left, I only went to that club although there is some other entrance opposite too. The only down side is that the girls when they dance want tips every time of about 50 gr (£4) and to get in is an entrance fee of 100 gr (£7. 50).

Any other questions, let me know.

Billy[/QUOTE]Many thanks, just read your reply.

So, now we have 2 quotes £80, and 1600 grivnas. #

£80 for one hour, with a stripper is pretty good.

It would be within walking distance to my hotel as well.

Yes, I am like you, I like to see what I am getting first.

Actually thanks for clarifying, so it is £120 to bang a girl out the back for an hour, not £80 which I think I had down. I was pissed as a mute at the time but I thought two of the girls were pretty hot, but maybe it was the alcohol talking!

[QUOTE=Jacklesslove]I actually checked out this place

100 grivna to get in

I was quoted 1600 grivna to bang a girl for one hour in one of their rooms or take out to my apartment

400 grivna for a private lap dance for 2 songs

The ladies were average to above average, but I did not find any stunners

I ended up getting a private lap dance for 400 grivna with a 20 yr old brunnete

Pretty Expensive[/QUOTE]

Planning to hit up the RP on Friday night, planning to arrive at about midnight.

Anyone heading there then I might see u there.

[QUOTE=Jacklesslove]Checked out RP Tuesday/Wednesday Night.

Good selection of girls and not those many patrons.

60 grivna to get in.

Got myself seated and checked out the talent, many would go on the dance floor and gyrate.

Talked with a few ladies at the bar. Almost all quoted $300 to start with and came down to $200 for 2 hrs.

On the first night I banged an authentic 25 yr old Russian girl, slim with bob cut, she was pretty drunk on the way out and ended up staying at my place till noon.

On Wednesday, banged a 20 yrd old blonde dressed in a mini skirt.

Luckily for me, I got BBBJ's on both nights and anal on the first night, but this could have been because the lady was drunk.

I think I went thrice on both nights.

Although Wednesday night would have to be hotter, this girl even called me a sex maaniac, haha.[/QUOTE]

True words of wisdom from Mr. T, after all that crap from HD.

The Yakatori chain is great spot for waiting for club girls (pros, semi and freebies) after the clubs close. Also the various Double Coffees are a good pick too.

[QUOTE=Razkolnikov]Obviously you haven't seen Hunter Dave put on his robe and wizard hat, uh, i mean sports coat and loafers. Seriously though, finally a sensible comment on hookers, be it RP girls or any others.

A tip for the lazy ones, grab a table at 2-3 in the night in one of the 24h open restaurants in the streets around arena city. Order drinks, food and wait. Around 3-4 drunk, desperate semi pros who didn't score upstairs begin dropping in to drown their misery in sushi or caesar salads. Getting there early and blocking a few extra seats it basically comes down to refusing people to sit until the right girls ask. Success rate is highest fri-sat.[/QUOTE]

I was at RP in 2005 for the Superbowl, Arena City 2006, RP in 2007 and RP in 2008 - in 2008 they did actually have a party downstairs which not too many people showed up to. Americans are quite the minority in Kyiv even more so those that want to be up from 2-6am on a monday morning. :) I was in Iraq last year for the Superbowl :(.

There is a 90% chance I'll be at RP for the 2010 Superbowl! yah! :D

[QUOTE=Billy Elliot]Hey this Superbowl Party sounds cool, r the RP hosting one?[/QUOTE]