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[QUOTE=Wataschi]It?s really a pity, most probably one of the bakka gajiin that doesn?t understand and follow the Japanese way messed it up. Grrrrrrrhhh.[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Oh yea, absolutely NO other reason, MUST be a bakka gaijin, could never be ANY other reason...In case you're not noticing - EXTREME SARCASM.

[QUOTE=Wataschi]Just to make sure once again: This is deri health, no FS included. Don?t ask manger or push the girls for FS.You pay for DeriHeru and that?s exactly what you get. Shower, service, shower.Please, don?t mess up this shop, just accept the system and the rules.[/QUOTE]While I agree with the basic premise of trying not to ruin the shop for everyone, there is nothing wrong with asking the girls for FS. Most fuzoku places (with obvious exceptions of course) will tell you no FS. Hell, some shops will tell you no less than 5 times, but many girls will provide FS if you ask. Lately, I have been using DeriHeru exclusively. Every single time I ask for FS. Sometimes the girls will give me FS, sometimes they won't. The thing is though, I've never gotten into trouble for asking. Yeah, it is against the rules, but you're not going to cause any trouble just by asking. If they stopped servicing every customer that asked for FS, they would probably go under. Ask the girls, they'll tell you that most men ask for FS. That being said, asking is one thing. Pushing is another. I'll ask twice at most. The girls aren't obligated to provide FS and they'll just get annoyed if you keep asking. The quality of your current might also drop as a result. (an annoyed girl doesn't make for good service me thinks)

I agree with Zcorps. Don't push excessively. But, I've had friends get FS for a fee or even free just because the deriheru girls felt like it. For girls who asked for additional fees, it's extra income. Just be careful, some will ask for a lot of money.I haven't heard of a girl getting upset because she was asked for FS. Sometimes asking after some play has begun may help. But again, beacause it is generally against the rules, No is no.[QUOTE=Zcorps]While I agree with the basic premise of trying not to ruin the shop for everyone, there is nothing wrong with asking the girls for FS. Most fuzoku places (with obvious exceptions of course) will tell you no FS. Hell, some shops will tell you no less than 5 times, but many girls will provide FS if you ask. Lately, I have been using DeriHeru exclusively. Every single time I ask for FS. Sometimes the girls will give me FS, sometimes they won't. The thing is though, I've never gotten into trouble for asking. Yeah, it is against the rules, but you're not going to cause any trouble just by asking. If they stopped servicing every customer that asked for FS, they would probably go under. Ask the girls, they'll tell you that most men ask for FS. That being said, asking is one thing. Pushing is another. I'll ask twice at most. The girls aren't obligated to provide FS and they'll just get annoyed if you keep asking. The quality of your current might also drop as a result. (an annoyed girl doesn't make for good service me thinks)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zcorps]While I agree with the basic premise of trying not to ruin the shop for everyone, there is nothing wrong with asking the girls for FS. Most fuzoku places (with obvious exceptions of course) will tell you no FS. Hell, some shops will tell you no less than 5 times, but many girls will provide FS if you ask. [/QUOTE]In Tokyo I've only used DH a couple times, Club Boo and a Korean shop. Several times in Nagoya as well, all of those Japanese girls, from a few different DH shops online. I've had FS every single time. Not one of them asked for more money either. Actually, now that I think of it, one didn't quite provide "FS" as I didn't have a cover, but she was happy to take it up the ass bareback. She also loved swallowing cum... :pAs noted, these places make their cash by providing the services that are requested. The "rules" are there for show and the realities are up to the girls in many cases, moreso if they're in your hotel room. Even in rub and tug joints you'll find girls that won't provide a HE, and some DH girls don't want to do FS (maybe on their period or whatever). They're women, which makes them incomprehensible to start with. Throw in some language differences and the fun starts! I've had hand jobs that were a lot better than many FS sessions anyhow, so it's all about enjoying the situation and hopefully getting value for the money. Don't worry, be happy!Tankuki

As noted, these places make their cash by providing the services that are requested. The "rules" are there for show and the realities are up to the girls in many cases, moreso if they're in your hotel room. Even in rub and tug joints you'll find girls that won't provide a HE, and some DH girls don't want to do FS (maybe on their period or whatever). They're women, which makes them incomprehensible to start with. Throw in some language differences and the fun starts! I've had hand jobs that were a lot better than many FS sessions anyhow, so it's all about enjoying the situation and hopefully getting value for the money. Don't worry, be happy!Tankuki[/QUOTE]Completely agre with this post. Its impossible to make any generalizations, even by shop. Its illegal to offer FS in Japan, so all shops will prohibit it. What happens behind closed doors is almost completely up to the girl. There are numerous shops I have been to in Tokyo and Osaka where with certain girls GFE FS doesn't need to even be discussed, just happens naturally, and additional funds are not an issue at all. However, with a different girl, you might even find resistance to CBJ even though it is on the menu. I wish I could give some ground rules for discerning the likelihood of a certain girl doing X, but I've found its very difficult. I would tentatively say that it seems girls who are relatively new to the fuzoku industry will bend the rules a bit more.One other observation. In Ugusuidani, every DH I've been to (only 2 or 3 though) has offered FS. Prices for these places are also a bit higher (Y160000-Y20000) generally, so this might be a reflection of that. For Ugusuidani Japanese DH, you must speak Japanese on the phone reasonably fluently. Just showing up and walking into one of the information shops is of no use, they will turn you away.

Will be in Roppongi for two night next week. Have researched reports but much to try to sort through. Would appreciate any succinct suggestions for making most of this very short visit. Motown and Homestead would be close to where I am staying. How early do they get going? Understand from reports that Motown is taken over at some point in evening by Ladyboys. What time is that? Would not go there after that time. Not my thing.

[QUOTE=Mike921]Oh yea, absolutely NO other reason, MUST be a bakka gaijin, could never be ANY other reason...In case you're not noticing - EXTREME SARCASM.[/QUOTE]You should probably put the sarcasm away, since places that accept foreign clientele and then suddenly stop inevitably do so after a few negative experiences with foreigners who are either too self centered, too ignorant, too drunk or simply too stupid to follow the house rules.This is exactly why there is a dearth of reports of new places on this forum, because nearly every time a place is posted up, some fool goes in and ruins it for the rest of us.Yes, Japanese cause just as many problems, if not more.Yes, it's racist and exclusionary.That's Japan. You learn to play by Japanese rules or you don't play at all.If you don't like it, Narita airport has 500 flights a day going elsewhere.

Hi guys,I haven't posted for a while, I tried a few places recently, he's a summary of my "adventures".Around Takatanobaba(2 stations from Shinjuku on the Yamanote line)I've been to that chinese place a few times, 60 mins for 8500 yen, not a bad deal. Quality is average, only basic japanese is required.[url]http://momojiriemaki.com/main.html[/url]I tried this place around Ueno, on the website they say "no foreigners" but I though I'd give it a try. I met Kazue-san, J-cup... 34. she looked more like 43, service was pretty bad, not recommended![url]http://www.wifeclass.com/tokyo/topmenu.html[/url]I tried this KDL agency "chance" around Uguisudani. Used them once before, I remember the girl was really nice so I decided to try them again. Asked for Aria, the girl on the picture showed up 20 mins later. Very nice, nice F cups, enhanced but very well done, amazing body, she could be in an AV video, no English, little Japanese, total damage was 25000 yen for 100 mins, worth it.[url]http://www.chancedh.com/main.html[/url]I tried this new agency around Uguisudani, married women... I asked for Takahara-san, the girl was nothing like the picture, price is cheap but low quality.[url]http://www.hd-deluxe.com/index2.php[/url]I noticed something amazing about an agency I used before. You heard about it, you've been waiting for it... mongering in Japan is moving to the next level!! Declining population, recession, 20 millions foreign visitors by 2020... huge market for foreign mongers!! I just noticed that a 100% japanese agency, not catering to a special group (like AM) has put up an english website. Basically there are only the prices and girls' names but what a change from the time when it was impossible to get service anywhere for non-Japanese(1999-2000). I used Hono-bono, they are very foreigner friendly, I wish for their business to prosper![url]http://www.hono-bono.com/i/en.htm[/url]That's about it. Earlier some people were talking about DH and FS. Around Uguisudani, whether it's Korean or Japanese DH, FS is always included. Have fun!

[QUOTE=Sudsy]You should probably put the sarcasm away, since places that accept foreign clientele and then suddenly stop inevitably do so after a few negative experiences with foreigners who are either too self centered, too ignorant, too drunk or simply too stupid to follow the house rules.This is exactly why there is a dearth of reports of new places on this forum, because nearly every time a place is posted up, some fool goes in and ruins it for the rest of us.Yes, Japanese cause just as many problems, if not more.Yes, it's racist and exclusionary.That's Japan. You learn to play by Japanese rules or you don't play at all.If you don't like it, Narita airport has 500 flights a day going elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Why thank you Mr. Little Helpful Travel Agent. One last word before this thread gets pulled - what I'm saying (and what you obviously missed) is we get beat up enough by the locals (sometimes justified, mostly not), we don't need to beat each other up too by ASSuming (as the locals do) that gaijin always cause the problems.....

sorry guys, I gave the address of the Hono-bono cell phone site.Here's the address for PC users[url]http://www.hono-bono.com/ladies/en.html[/url]Nice tag line, Came(Come?) on, Uguisudani! Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Mike921]Why thank you Mr. Little Helpful Travel Agent. One last word before this thread gets pulled - what I'm saying (and what you obviously missed) is we get beat up enough by the locals (sometimes justified, mostly not), we don't need to beat each other up too by ASSuming (as the locals do) that gaijin always cause the problems.....[/QUOTE]Why you are so aggressive? Feel defensive? Yes Sir, of course it?s YOU to have the ?last word? here in this thread.Btw, I?m gaijin as well, grown up in a country with cultural background.

[QUOTE=Gifuboy]Here's the address for PC users[url]http://www.hono-bono.com/ladies/en.html[/url][/QUOTE]Gifuboy. THANK YOU for the information for this place! I'm reviewing the site, but maybe I am missing something. What is allowed and not allowed. Usually, such sites have a "menu" or "course". I see AF, but no prices associated with it.Were you able to have FS with the girl? What does this place prefer? Go to hotel and make the call? Or. Can the girl meet you, then go to the hotel? Again, thanks!

[QUOTE=Gifuboy]sorry guys, I gave the address of the Hono-bono cell phone site.Here's the address for PC users[url]http://www.hono-bono.com/ladies/en.html[/url]Nice tag line, Came(Come?) on, Uguisudani! Happy mongering.[/QUOTE]Some of those pictures are really freaking me out.

[QUOTE=Gifuboy]sorry guys, I gave the address of the Hono-bono cell phone site.Here's the address for PC users[url]http://www.hono-bono.com/ladies/en.html[/url]Nice tag line, Came(Come?) on, Uguisudani! Happy mongering.[/QUOTE]I see 3 or 4 cute ladies but which ones did you meet with Gifuboy? I'm assuming gaijin friendly means I can call speaking english to make arrangements.

I've only met Suika, Very large breasts, a little chubby.I always speak Japanese, it might be useful for you to check it out and let other board members know if it is possible to book in English.Good luck[QUOTE=Logan6663]I see 3 or 4 cute ladies but which ones did you meet with Gifuboy? I'm assuming gaijin friendly means I can call speaking english to make arrangements.[/QUOTE]