Bangkok Reports

Thanks for your excellent review, eThai. Just a couple of questions.

There are some nights when I either have something lined up later in the night or just don't feel like taking a girl at the end of the night. Would a girl there get upset if I didn't take her home after spending 3 hours with me? If I spent 3 hours with a girl in a bar I would likely tip her 500-1000 baht. Would this be considered too little? Agree 1900 baht for 3 hours of play time is cheap.

You mentioned that the 2500 baht includes a room are these girls open to going back to your hotel (Sukhumvit area) as well?

I rarely tip waitresses much more than a nominal amount unless they're hot and I get play time (DFK, groping) with them. Are waitresses there pushy for tips? Is there any real advantage of tipping a waitress a lot there? I see no advantage in tipping or buying drinks for mamasans or non playful waitresses in gogo bars.

I'm clearly not as 'Jai Dee' as you are cause 5600 in tips alone would never happen with me even if I had the absolute best night of my life. I'd rather just save that and see the girl again the following night.

I see you gave a live update at 10 pm. What time do most of the girls arrive? I usually like to start my night at 8 pm. Too early for T-Ded?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2948359]Thanks for your excellent review, eThai. Just a couple of questions.

There are some nights when I either have something lined up later in the night or just don't feel like taking a girl at the end of the night. Would a girl there get upset if I didn't take her home after spending 3 hours with me? If I spent 3 hours with a girl in a bar I would likely tip her 500-1000 baht. Would this be considered too little? Agree 1900 baht for 3 hours of play time is cheap.

You mentioned that the 2500 baht includes a room are these girls open to going back to your hotel (Sukhumvit area) as well?

I rarely tip waitresses much more than a nominal amount unless they're hot and I get play time (DFK, groping) with them. Are waitresses there pushy for tips? Is there any real advantage of tipping a waitress a lot there? I see no advantage in tipping or buying drinks for mamasans or non playful waitresses in gogo bars.

I'm clearly not as 'Jai Dee' as you are cause 5600 in tips alone would never happen with me even if I had the absolute best night of my life. I'd rather just save that and see the girl again the following night.

I see you gave a live update at 10 pm. What time do most of the girls arrive? I usually like to start my night at 8 pm. Too early for T-Ded?[/QUOTE]I read somewhere that slipping 200 baht under the table would get you a girl to sit with you for a while, of course you will need to buy drinks. To me, this seems too cheap but please correct me if I'm wrong. I think you need to keep it in perspective, so outside you can get a FL for 1500/2000 -that would be FS fun for possibly an hour. So you are going to give her 1900 baht for 3 hrs of playing- I'd say 1000 at the most. The thing is depends where you want this to go. If a one off, 500 plus drinks might be enough, if maybe you want to repeat then 1000 might make a better impression.

Another way to look at is will 15 or 30 US break your bank, if you meet some nice girl and you have chemistry why not show your appreciation and promote this sort of interaction.

Back in the day I always worked on the basis that you do things for me then I reward you. I think we need to get the idea about performance pay across to the girls.

Back in the day I wouldn't take a girl unless they DFK me and let me have a little respectful feel. Esp the DFK this crosses a line and points to possible future performance. If they did genuinely DFK me 1 lady drink would certainly follow. I used DFK as my deal breaker.

I never tip waitresses or mamasans or hangers on. Some say tipping mamasans gives you better intel but me thinks not.

Great review.

I went there a few weeks ago but I guess it was too early. I'm just curious, as I heard most of them don't speak English, wouldn't you feel a bit bored spending 3 hours with them? Or there would be cheeky stuff going on like the DFK etc throughout? I know if I'm at a gogo place I would probably not last a longtime chatting with the girls for more than 10 minutes. How about if I'm more of a person who likes to browse, chat to a few girls, may not partake then leave? Then would the sitting fee kinda reset 200 for a new girl?

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2948336]Just got back home from a wild night. I will go into more details and explain how this place works. When you walk in to the entrance in the corner by 7/11, you will see a huge room with a long stage that goes from one end to the other. The first lot of girls sit at the far end in some booths, about 50 or so, while others sit with customers and dance on stage, some topless at times. All around the outside there are Karaoke VIP rooms. Then there is a small hallway leading to another area of Karaoke rooms, which is on the way to the bathrooms. It is in this area where there is a long bench against the walls that wraps around the corridor and goes along the back hallway all the way to the bathrooms. It is on this long bench where all the other girls sit waiting to be either chosen as guys walk by or be brought out in huge groups to show the guys sitting down in the booths or in the karaoke rooms. There are literally 150 girls in this back area alone, plus around 50 or so girls sitting in the booths and maybe another 20 or so already with customers. if you walk and and sit down, you would not know they were even there until you walked to the bathrooms. Most foreigners go there for the first time and walk in and out as they don't think there are any girls. They are sadly mistaken.

After choosing my girl, we sat down and drank beer. Large bottles of Heineken, ate fries, mango, and chicken fried rice. The girl sat with me for 3 hours. Then after I took her to the ST hotel across the road.

Now, the pricing. All the food, about 5-6 large Heinekens, and the cost of the girl to sit with me was in total, 1900 baht. There are no lady drinks in this place. Just a small sitting fee of about 200 Baht per hour, maybe a little less. The lady drinks and eats whatever you order.

Then comes the cost of the girl to take out to the hotel. It's very easy to figure here. It's 2500 baht including the hotel. My girl's name was Kao. She is 22 years old with no baby and nice c cups. We showered together and then onto the bed. Lot's of steamy sex in all positions and a nice CIP finish.

Total cost was 4400 baht. However, this place is so fun and cheap, I tipped a bunch of the staff plus the girl was given a healthy tip for her bedroom activities being pretty much the same as a GF. BBFSCIP.

I did see one other western dude in there, but he didn't last long, plus about 30 or so Chinese guys and the rest were Thai. You will need to speak some Thai in this place to make things much easier, so I would suggest going with a Thai friend if you can't speak Thai.

So, just to summarize, the cost was 4400 Baht not including the tips I gave to the staff and my girl. Therefore, it was closer to about 10K all in. You don't need to be the same as me though. A comparable night in go go plus the ST with the lady would most likely be much higher. I compare this to a go go because that's what it really is.[/QUOTE]Nice little piece of info. Thanks EverythingThai.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2948381]I read somewhere that slipping 200 baht under the table would get you a girl to sit with you for a while, of course you will need to buy drinks. To me, this seems too cheap but please correct me if I'm wrong. I think you need to keep it in perspective, so outside you can get a FL for 1500/2000 -that would be FS fun for possibly an hour. So you are going to give her 1900 baht for 3 hrs of playing- I'd say 1000 at the most. The thing is depends where you want this to go. If a one off, 500 plus drinks might be enough, if maybe you want to repeat then 1000 might make a better impression.

Another way to look at is will 15 or 30 US break your bank, if you meet some nice girl and you have chemistry why not show your appreciation and promote this sort of interaction.

Back in the day I always worked on the basis that you do things for me then I reward you. I think we need to get the idea about performance pay across to the girls.

Back in the day I wouldn't take a girl unless they DFK me and let me have a little respectful feel. Esp the DFK this crosses a line and points to possible future performance. If they did genuinely DFK me 1 lady drink would certainly follow. I used DFK as my deal breaker.

I never tip waitresses or mamasans or hangers on.[b] Some say tipping mamasans gives you better intel but me thinks not.[/b][/QUOTE]Some of the best, smoothest, fastest, easiest and most cost-effective no hassle Real Sex / DFK, BBBJ + BBFSCIP results I have ever gotten with solid 2nd tier (7+ lookers) gogo girls in Bangkok have come about because I introduced myself, laid a simple 200 baht tip or Lady Drink on the mamasan and flat out told her those exact requirements were what I was looking for tonight.

She would then make the rounds to her favorites until one (or more) says yes and brings her to me. Then it is totally up to me to agree based on looks and immediate chemistry or not. No penalty for me not agreeing. The mamasan will bring me another.

As you can imagine, this can cut down on tons of wasted Lady Drinks in a series of bar hops, time, money, guesswork and "Yes in the bar, No in the room" scams.

No, it isn't perfect and yes, maybe you need to sweeten the deal with both a Lady Drink and a 200 baht tip for the mamasan. It doesn't matter, ask the mamasan anyway. There is no harm in asking. And you must be specific. If you want no hassle BBFSCIP and not just BBFS and a pull out, tell the mamasan so and then only slip her that tip after she brings you a proper girl and repeats in Thai and English what you want to get a fair and clear yes or no from the girl.

Just handing the mamasan a tip with no soecific request attached to it is nice but accomplishes nothing unless you are happy with nothing specific being provided in your room, as some punters apparently are.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2948381]I never tip waitresses or mamasans or hangers on. Some say tipping mamasans gives you better intel but me thinks not.[/QUOTE]It's not that mamasan will give you intel, it is that mamasan will tell the girl that you are a good customer and should be treated well. After you know mamasan, you can tell her what you want and she will try to find it. I tip mamasan well and the next time I see her I tell her how the session went. Mama remembers everything.

Of course, there are many mamasans and you can only get to know a couple.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2948359]Thanks for your excellent review, eThai. Just a couple of questions.

There are some nights when I either have something lined up later in the night or just don't feel like taking a girl at the end of the night. Would a girl there get upset if I didn't take her home after spending 3 hours with me? If I spent 3 hours with a girl in a bar I would likely tip her 500-1000 baht. Would this be considered too little? Agree 1900 baht for 3 hours of play time is cheap.

You mentioned that the 2500 baht includes a room are these girls open to going back to your hotel (Sukhumvit area) as well?

I rarely tip waitresses much more than a nominal amount unless they're hot and I get play time (DFK, groping) with them. Are waitresses there pushy for tips? Is there any real advantage of tipping a waitress a lot there? I see no advantage in tipping or buying drinks for mamasans or non playful waitresses in gogo bars.

I'm clearly not as 'Jai Dee' as you are cause 5600 in tips alone would never happen with me even if I had the absolute best night of my life. I'd rather just save that and see the girl again the following night.

I see you gave a live update at 10 pm. What time do most of the girls arrive? I usually like to start my night at 8 pm. Too early for T-Ded?[/QUOTE]The place is open until 5 am so they don't mind if you don't take them, as someone else will. However, they may make an excuse after the first hour or 2 that they have to leave and then won't come back. That tip would be fine.

About my tipping. 3000 baht of the tip went to the girl. 1000 in the bar and 2000 after we had sex in the hotel. The rest of the tips were in the bar. Why? Because even though I speak decent Thai, when I go here, everyone takes care of me. If I have any problems they are always solved in my favor. Not like what I see some customers in Pattaya or BKK go go bars being treated like. The way I look at it, it was a simple 10 K with no drama with lady drinks and drink queens. The same type of night in a go go bar would cost double this. I even get the DJ to play what music I want in this huge club. Oh by the way, the waitress only gets a small tip. There they have about 10 momasons or popa sons. I have 2 that always take care of me and that's who gets the tips as well as the girl I am with. These two always show me the new girls. Farm fresh as some here call them. They always give the girls an extra vote of confidence in me. For a foreigner in a Thai club that goes a long way with the girls. Most have never even been with a foreigner, but some have. Foreigner meaning a white western man. There are plenty of Chinese guys going here now, where before it was Thai only and the odd foreigner.

About the girls doing a LT or ST at your hotel in Sukhumvit, I have done it, but many girls won't go. Believe it or not, most girls in there have husbands or boyfriends or kids at home being looked after. So they have to get home at 5 to either see their guy or send their kids off to school if they have any. There are a ton of Lao girls working here too. If they are comfortable with you they will go. Maybe after your first visit they will go with you the second time. You might need to take their line and make a plan though in advance.

Anyways, with 200-300 girls and a moma or popa son looking out for you, plus a little bit of Thai, you cant fail here unless the faring pulls some crap like I hear from some of the guys where they are so worried about every single baht and think too much and so on. You need to go with the flow. If you get upset in here about something stupid they will just ask you to leave. And if you think they have lost your business, they could care less, as there are a ton of other clients in here not making a fuss. So if you dont understand your bill because its 200 baht higher than you thought and you will scream to high heaven and refuse to pay it, dont go here. They will not only throw you out after the poor waitress pays your 200 baht without even making a fuss, but there will be a couple of thugs waiting for you outside to kick your ass. And believe me, this place is connected up the wozoooo, so unless you are killed, the cops will just come and help you to leave.

Don’t forget about all the ladies sitting in the back when you go.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2948381]I read somewhere that slipping 200 baht under the table would get you a girl to sit with you for a while, of course you will need to buy drinks. To me, this seems too cheap but please correct me if I'm wrong. I think you need to keep it in perspective, so outside you can get a FL for 1500/2000 -that would be FS fun for possibly an hour. So you are going to give her 1900 baht for 3 hrs of playing- I'd say 1000 at the most. The thing is depends where you want this to go. If a one off, 500 plus drinks might be enough, if maybe you want to repeat then 1000 might make a better impression.

Another way to look at is will 15 or 30 US break your bank, if you meet some nice girl and you have chemistry why not show your appreciation and promote this sort of interaction.

Back in the day I always worked on the basis that you do things for me then I reward you. I think we need to get the idea about performance pay across to the girls.

Back in the day I wouldn't take a girl unless they DFK me and let me have a little respectful feel. Esp the DFK this crosses a line and points to possible future performance. If they did genuinely DFK me 1 lady drink would certainly follow. I used DFK as my deal breaker.

I never tip waitresses or mamasans or hangers on. Some say tipping mamasans gives you better intel but me thinks not.[/QUOTE]You are missing the plot. The money you pay the bar for the girl to sit with you is not a tip. It's the fee. This model is from a hostess club or Bangkok gents club. It's not anything like most farangs can comprehend because they are always thinking I must buy drinks for the girl. If you tip a random girl to come sit with you 200 baht, that will get you two topless lap dances and then they will be gone. My 1900 baht tab was also for a bunch of food too. You should read my post more closely. However, in the end I would stay away from T-Ded 99 if I was you. It's not the place for you I think. You can never get yourself out of the typical mind set of a foreigner going to bars in the tourist places that are geared towards westerners on holiday. Do you know that you could come in here, buy chicken fried rice and one beer for a few hundred baht, or maybe even just a coke, then grab a girl, sit with her for one hour and then take her to the ST hotel. You dont need to even buy any drinks if you dont want. But sitting there with a girl in a bar and not even sharing a large beer would be stupid, what fun with that be for the girl? She will get bored and leave. Don't go mate.stick to the beer bars in Pattaya or soi 7 in Bangkok or better yet, just use TF. Bars make you think too much and thats definitely not good for you lol.

To everyone else reading this, I just gave a good example of how you can spend 4500 baht in a go go bar with 300 ladies and get 5 large Heinekens, a ton of food, 3 hours sitting with the girl and an hour of fucking. But alas, there are still guys who will complain and over analyze things to try to showcase a negative. I choose to tip, if you dont want to tip, then dont.

Guys complain about drink queens, well here you go then. I give you a place to go where there are no lady drinks.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2948394]It's not that mamasan will give you intel, it is that mamasan will tell the girl that you are a good customer and should be treated well. After you know mamasan, you can tell her what you want and she will try to find it. I tip mamasan well and the next time I see her I tell her how the session went. Mama remembers everything.

Of course, there are many mamasans and you can only get to know a couple.[/QUOTE]Now you, my ISG brother have not lost the plot. 👍.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2946620]Some of us don't care about $20. Bangkok is a world class city, Pattaya is not. Ill pay the extra $20. If you can't afford it, Patts is for you.[/QUOTE]I don't agree with much of what you post, but this has never been more true. I will even take this one step further. If a girl asks 2500 baht ST and you like her, regardless of location, Bangkok or Pattaya, why would you walk away from that if you only want to pay 1500 Baht? It's just a complete waste of time and energy for me to debate over 1000 Baht. If I like her I pay. If I just want to stick my dick in any hole, then ya maybe I would agree, but come on.

About Bangkok as a mongering destination, it's quite different than Pattaya. Bangkok is a normal city. The mongering areas are all spread out. The dating apps have tons of normal girls, so don't offer money for sex unless you are sure they are working girls. Otherwise a couple of screenshots later and you could find yourself in the police station in a heap of trouble. The girls in Bangkok just seem to be better all around. They dress better and take better care of themselves.

Pattaya on the other hand has this shit everywhere on every road, every corner and 90% of the girls in the Pattaya location in dating apps are working girls.

In the end, your strategy needs to change in Bangkok. Otherwise you will put your foot in your mouth and end up in a heap of trouble, but to not visit Bangkok because ST is $20 more just does not make sense. I will go you one better.if one cant afford $20 more per lady, they should probably not come to Thailand. If one overthinks every transaction and worries so much about whether he pays a little more than the going rate for pussy, then I dont see how this would be an enjoyable vacation.

Its simple, man sees a girl he likes.
Man asks girl how much
Man pays girl
Man fucks girl

If you cant pay to play, then dont play.

This is not relevant for the situation where the girl asks for a ridiculous amount for ST. But what if she does? Well, most girls asking for high prices are obviously doing so because they are extremely hot. Then you have to decide if you want to play in their pool or not. Right ?

The only other time is when the girl quotes you high because she does not like you. Then she knows if you accept, at least she is getting paid more to sleep with a guy she does not like.

True story now. Once I was quoted 10,000 ST. The girl was like a 20/10. A knock out. This was at levels in Bangkok just before Covid. When I immediately said yes she was shocked. In the room after we fucked, she told me she just does not like to go with western men because they complain too much and talk too much. She was quite happy with me because all I wanted to do was just fuck. I still see her to this day and now she only charges me 5000 ST, she is a knockout. Like one of those motor show girls. Pure white skin and big tits with a small firm ass and long black hair.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2948359]Thanks for your excellent review, eThai. Just a couple of questions.

There are some nights when I either have something lined up later in the night or just don't feel like taking a girl at the end of the night. Would a girl there get upset if I didn't take her home after spending 3 hours with me? If I spent 3 hours with a girl in a bar I would likely tip her 500-1000 baht. Would this be considered too little? Agree 1900 baht for 3 hours of play time is cheap.

You mentioned that the 2500 baht includes a room are these girls open to going back to your hotel (Sukhumvit area) as well?

I rarely tip waitresses much more than a nominal amount unless they're hot and I get play time (DFK, groping) with them. Are waitresses there pushy for tips? Is there any real advantage of tipping a waitress a lot there? I see no advantage in tipping or buying drinks for mamasans or non playful waitresses in gogo bars.

I'm clearly not as 'Jai Dee' as you are cause 5600 in tips alone would never happen with me even if I had the absolute best night of my life. I'd rather just save that and see the girl again the following night.

I see you gave a live update at 10 pm. What time do most of the girls arrive? I usually like to start my night at 8 pm. Too early for T-Ded?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2948403]

Anyways, with 200-300 girls and a moma or popa son looking out for you, plus a little bit of Thai, you cant fail here unless the faring pulls some crap like I hear from some of the guys where they are so worried about every single baht and think too much and so on. You need to go with the flow. If you get upset in here about something stupid they will just ask you to leave. And if you think they have lost your business, they could care less, as there are a ton of other clients in here not making a fuss. So if you dont understand your bill because its 200 baht higher than you thought and you will scream to high heaven and refuse to pay it, dont go here. They will not only throw you out after the poor waitress pays your 200 baht without even making a fuss, but there will be a couple of thugs waiting for you outside to kick your ass. And believe me, this place is connected up the wozoooo, so unless you are killed, the cops will just come and help you to leave.

Dont forget about all the ladies sitting in the back when you go.[/QUOTE]By the way, this last part of my post was not directed at you. It was a general statement to others.

I get the experience you had. I experience this similar in HK, Korea, Japan. In HK, Macau, clubs called China City both places even with Russian girls the difference it wasnt also a GOGO growing up summers my oldest brother job was to break my cherry.

Living on the Darkside there are a number of places but not Gogo or any place I noted like the drink bar. On the Darkside of Pattaya I don't venture never know who might be my neighbor but prior to Covid there use to be a favorite hostess place great food and live band down 3rd road.

Issue let me summarize! 200 baht per hour assume it was 1 girl, 3 hours later food drink your bill was 1900 baht. Took girl across to ST 2500 baht room included you shower, bang the hell out of her lots of steam in the sex and CIP raw hide style. My math 1900+2500=4400 baht correct so far tip not included. So based on 10,000-4400=5600 baht went extra to girl anf misc TIPS. Correct.

Personally I don't have any judgement in regards to what was paid. I noticef from my little research the front is black color. I'm interest first I was in the drink bar but now this place is more suited for a few family and friends coming to town late October. I notice if we took the BTS, the area noted one stop before Mo Chit, is it a far walk from the station.

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2948383]Great review.

I went there a few weeks ago but I guess it was too early. I'm just curious, as I heard most of them don't speak English, wouldn't you feel a bit bored spending 3 hours with them? Or there would be cheeky stuff going on like the DFK etc throughout? I know if I'm at a gogo place I would probably not last a longtime chatting with the girls for more than 10 minutes. How about if I'm more of a person who likes to browse, chat to a few girls, may not partake then leave? Then would the sitting fee kinda reset 200 for a new girl?[/QUOTE]If you change the girl, they will charge you again. Some girls do a 100 baht topless lap dance, so you can test the waters like that with some. You never went into the club so you never saw all the girls. They sit in the booths at the far end of the club and in the back hallway at the beginning of the night. So when you first walk in it gives the impression that there are no girls. You need to look a little closer.

About their English, if you don't speak any Thai and are there alone with no one that does speak Thai, you better be able to make it fun for the girl in other ways or she will ditch you or you will be limited to only the 10-20% of the ladies that will be comfortable with you. Don't know how you can chat to many girls if they don't understand you? Imagine being constantly on Google translate. The girl and you will get bored pretty quick. I don't think this place is for you. I wouldn't go.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2948425]I get the experience you had. I experience this similar in HK, Korea, Japan. In HK, Macau, clubs called China City both places even with Russian girls the difference it wasnt also a GOGO growing up summers my oldest brother job was to break my cherry.

Living on the Darkside there are a number of places but not Gogo or any place I noted like the drink bar. On the Darkside of Pattaya I don't venture never know who might be my neighbor but prior to Covid there use to be a favorite hostess place great food and live band down 3rd road.

Issue let me summarize! 200 baht per hour assume it was 1 girl, 3 hours later food drink your bill was 1900 baht. Took girl across to ST 2500 baht room included you shower, bang the hell out of her lots of steam in the sex and CIP raw hide style. My math 1900+2500=4400 baht correct so far tip not included. So based on 10,000-4400=5600 baht went extra to girl anf misc TIPS. Correct.

Personally I don't have any judgement in regards to what was paid. I noticef from my little research the front is black color. I'm interest first I was in the drink bar but now this place is more suited for a few family and friends coming to town late October. I notice if we took the BTS, the area noted one stop before Mo Chit, is it a far walk from the station.[/QUOTE]Don't walk from the BTS, grab a motorcycle taxi for 20 baht.

About the tips, 5600, most to the girl and the rest to the momasons for taking care of me. One man and one lady, and a small tip to the servers.

Look at it like this. 4400 is the only number you guys need to worry about as that is what I spent on by bin. Tipping to the girl and the momasons and other staff is optional and this is why my level of treatment in the club and in the bedroom may not be the same as another punter might experience, whether they are Thai or a foreigner. I think this goes the same in every type of club you go and with any working girl you spend time with.

[QUOTE=EverythingThai;2948437]Don't walk from the BTS, grab a motorcycle taxi for 20 baht.

About the tips, 5600, most to the girl and the rest to the momasons for taking care of me. One man and one lady, and a small tip to the servers.

Look at it like this. 4400 is the only number you guys need to worry about as that is what I spent on by bin. Tipping to the girl and the momasons and other staff is optional and this is why my level of treatment in the club and in the bedroom may not be the same as another punter might experience, whether they are Thai or a foreigner. I think this goes the same in every type of club you go and with any working girl you spend time with.[/QUOTE]No need to explain what you pay for me it is self explanatory. Being Asian we will fit right in.

As for BTS we might be running around my group might be close to ten is it a far walk from the BTS.

I not a clue outside of Nana area where where? We will be staying in that area one night from Pattaya. This is just one of the options that.

I want to include some of group want to hit massages places, Therma, GoGo, with this agenda and time being older a few will call it quits early this is a late night place so the brave will survive.

In regards to price I wanted to know so I can brief my cousins they have real bad habits like paying over 10,000 in many cases.

Thanks. I hope we can fit it in.