American Politics

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2647374]I realize I am talking to a self-proclaimed financial advisor who never noticed the difference between a Great Repub Depression / Recession, Massive Jobs Destruction and Deep Bear Market Crash, which has been all of them over the past 100 years, vs a Great Dem Recovery / Expansion, Massive Jobs Creation and Historic Bull Market Run, which has been all of them over the past 100 years. But the fact that you focus on the 30 stocks in the DOW as the go-to measure for how well the broad USA Stock market is doing is further proof you really should return whatever money your client wasted on you.

Yes, of course, all of those Great Repub Depressions / Recessions and Deep Bear Market Crashes of the past 100 years, the only ones America has suffered in all that time, were lovely buying opportunities for anyone who got out at the top, did not stay in the market to ride it all the way down and was flush with cash to buy back in at the bottom. Thanks for the kind of advice that anyone could have gotten on the back of a Bazooka Bubble Gum comic; Buy low and sell high. Really? But based on this and every other post of yours, I am quite sure your advice did not get your client out of the market at the top and have them wait until some unknown bottom to buy back in more often than perhaps one inadvertent lucky time.

And actually, you only told us half of the scenario for your supposedly failed clients. I mean, you do know there is another side of those transactions, right? If those clients had sold out when Trump came into office and then bought back in at or near the bottom of each of his two Bear Market Crashes, they would have done quite well vs buying and holding through 4 years of the average annual 16.8% gains we got during his Recession and Massive Jobs Loss-ridden four years in the Wall Street and industry standard for the broader USA Stock market, the S&P 500 Index. Did they?[/QUOTE]Like I previously said you obviously are not knowledgeable in the market. The clients that sold their stock when Trump was elected took their loss and market increased dramatically in 2017. My clients did not buy back in and they lost millions. Since you know nothing about investing I will try to explain to you that when someone's portfolio is up 68-80 per cent in 4 years of Trump presidencies their is no other side to it. Their net worth has gone up 68-80 percent. There has not been a crash in the last 20 years. Their have been corrections in the market for extraordinary reasons but to someone that has some knowledge they look at those corrections as opportunities. My clients make more money after a correction which is proven over the last 50 years. You stick to your government handout and I will stick to making my clients millions.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2647378]LOL. The DOW again. OK, I'll play along:

[B]Dow Jones Returns by Year[/B]

[URL]https://www.slickcharts.com/dowjones/returns[/URL]

2020 = +7.25%.

2019 = +22.34%.

2018 = -5.63%.

2017 = +25.08.

Average annual gain in the DOW during Trump's presidency = 12.26%.

Really, you guys should have gone with the Wall Street and financial industry standard for measuring the USA Stock market, the S&P 500 Index, instead of the DOW, which is the darling of typically lazy and far less informed and involved financial media. See, the lazy and far less informed financial media, the ones you guys apparently watch on tv and think that makes you "financial advisors", love the DOW because those 30 stocks provide of a lot of exciting volatility to report on every day. But real financial advisors and those involved daily in the canyons of Wall Street more properly refer to the S&P 500 Index for their measure. Just FYI.[/QUOTE]The Dow publishes their numbers. Go to the Dow sight. Not rocket science. You can find anything on the internet to contradict everything. Slick charts? Are you kidding? Why do you keep trying to deceive everyone? Why don't you publish the Dow numbers from Dow?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2647434]Nope. It didn't change under Obama.

Klipinger just ran their Wall Street professional and financial industry standard S&P 500 Index measured ranking for the USA Stock Market performance per USA president right up to and including Biden's first year and, as expected, the average annual returns for Biden, Obama and Clinton each surpassed that of Trump, George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush and, what the hell, let's throw Reagan in there too.

With Biden being best.

[URL]https://www.kiplinger.com/investing/602714/best-and-worst-presidents-according-to-the-stock-market[/URL][/QUOTE]Amazing someone like you with absolutely no knowledge of the market and investing can contradict all the major financial institutions in the USA.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2647434]Nope. It didn't change under Obama.

Kiplinger just ran their Wall Street professional and financial industry standard S&P 500 Index measured ranking for the USA Stock Market performance per USA president right up to and including Biden's first year and, as expected, the average annual returns for Biden, Obama and Clinton each surpassed that of Trump, George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush and, what the hell, let's throw Reagan in there too.

With Biden being best.

[URL]https://www.kiplinger.com/investing/602714/best-and-worst-presidents-according-to-the-stock-market[/URL][/QUOTE]You know, I have to comment that Kiplinger being part of financial media, it is not immune from the usual pretzel twisting all Mainstream Media puts itself through to make Repubs look like "winners" in the face of their typical economic and stock market disastrous failures as well as trying to make Dems look like "losers" in the face of their typical economic and stock market great successes.

Case in point is how they spin Trump's stock market performance. The black highlights are mine.

[QUOTE]Donald Trump's presidency was far from calm, and you could say the same for the stock market during his tenure. [b]Equities just barely managed to avoid bear-market territory in Q4 2018[/b], then ended up rallying for more than a year before suffering a dramatic (albeit quick) bear market in 2020.

Even then, Trump still managed to finish his single term as one of the top presidents by market performance, which was fueled in part by his Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. However, that performance also included a wild rally after Election Day 2020.

[b]"The S&P 500 gained 11.8% in price from Election Day on November 3, 2020 through January 15, 2021 in what is now on track to become the best Election-to-Inauguration Day return for a first-term president since WWII," writes Sam Stovall, Chief Investment Strategist for CFRA, referring to Biden's pre-inauguration bump. "John F. Kennedy came in second with an 8.8% price rise, while Eisenhower was third with 6.3%. Conversely, Presidents Obama, Bush-43, and Nixon endured declines of 19.9%, 6.2%, and 1.4%, respectively."[/b][/QUOTE]First of all, the broad USA Stock market did not "manage to avoid bear-market territory in Q4 2018. " I have been pointing out that the broad USA Stock market experienced 2 Bear Market Crashes defined as a decline of 20% or more from a recent high during Trump's 4 year presidency and I am right. Sorry, Kiplinger, but the broadest USA Stock market Index of all, The Wilshire 5000 Total Market Index, so named because it represents the "total" USA Stock market and not just the 30 stocks in the DOW or the 500 stocks in the S&P 500 Index, closed at 30,462. 49 on September 20,2018 and then closed at 24,151. 43 on December 24,2018. That is a decline from the recent high of 20.73%, also known as a Bear Market Crash.

And that first of his two Bear Market Crash declines began just 9 months after his god-awful waste of $2.5+ Trillion added to the deficit Tax Cuts and Jobs Act was signed and passed, something Kiplinger seems to think contributed to his ok stock market results. Oh please.

I would put the URL for the Yahoo! Finance Wilshire 5000 Total Market Index link right here for you to click on "Historical Data, Historical Prices" and put in those dates or a few days before and after them to see for yourselves. But there is some weird glitch going on with this site and when I do that the URL is huge. Like half a page. LOL. So just do a Google Search for that and it is easy to find.

And, second, check out how they try to make it appear as though "the best Election-to-Inauguration Day return for a first-term president since WWII" was some feather to put in Trump's cap! LOL. They are referring to the great rally after Biden won the 2020 election!

Now, I am not a believer in attributing anything that happens in the economy or the stock market to an incoming president starting on election day or inauguration day. Primarily because both of those metrics have never significantly changed the trajectory they were already on for months or years prior to those dates. What happens immediately after election day with a new incoming president has practically nothing to do with the person who won and who has not done anything yet.

OK, so a big decision is about to be made on an election day. Therefore, as usual anytime a big decision is about to be made or an important bit of news is about to be reported like the Jobs Numbers, a Fed Decision, an Election and so on, stock market investors hang back for often significant amounts of time prior to the decision being made or news reported and then once the decision is made they celebrate that the world did not come to an end after all and they simply resume either the buying or selling they were doing prior to the election period but with slightly more enthusiasm, trying to catch up. That is all that happens.

Those two trajectories didn't change notably starting on election day when FDR won, when Reagan won or when Obama won. They sure as hell weren't going to change significantly when Trump won in 2016 and were not likely to go nuts just because Biden won in 2020. Mainstream Media would have been working very hard to prevent that latter event from happening anyway. In the midst of Trump's Pandemic, Biden had to actually start doing something and passing some very important and effective economic stimulus for that to happen. He did and it happened.

And so I am sticking to that opinion and judgement even though it obviously helps Trump's overall record on the stock market to have benefitted from that historic stock market rally that started right after he was soundly defeated in a Trump-defined landslide election win for Joe Biden. Besides, all three of the most recent Dem presidents beat Trump's average annual stock market performance anyway.

[QUOTE=Canada;2647600]The Dow publishes their numbers. Go to the Dow sight. Not rocket science. You can find anything on the internet to contradict everything. Slick charts? Are you kidding? Why do you keep trying to deceive everyone? Why don't you publish the Dow numbers from Dow?[/QUOTE]Why don't you post the link for that here. When I do, the URL is huge.

There is no need to do that, the net is full of reliable sources that post the same annual DOW returns.

Do you think Microtrends is lying about it too? Their numbers are exactly the same as Slick Charts and dozens of other sources, all of which are easy links to see the annual numbers we are talking about here.

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Happy with that URL?

[QUOTE=Canada;2647552]Why didn't you just go to the financial page and click on the Dow and then click on 5 year total and get the real number rather than go to a site that determines it their own way? If you go to the Dow you will have the real number.[/QUOTE]5 year total? Do all you wannabe financial advisors think a presidential terms is 5 years?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2647554]Like I previously said you obviously are not knowledgeable in the market. The clients that sold their stock when Trump was elected took their loss and market increased dramatically in 2017. My clients did not buy back in and they lost millions. Since you know nothing about investing I will try to explain to you that when someone's portfolio is up 68-80 per cent in 4 years of Trump presidencies their is no other side to it. Their net worth has gone up 68-80 percent. There has not been a crash in the last 20 years. Their have been corrections in the market for extraordinary reasons but to someone that has some knowledge they look at those corrections as opportunities. My clients make more money after a correction which is proven over the last 50 years. You stick to your government handout and I will stick to making my clients millions.[/QUOTE]Sure, I can believe Trump's 4 year term only delivered a stock market gain of 68-80% You know why? Because Obama's 8 year term delivered a stock market gain of 235%. Which, last time I checked and without any financial advice at all, is quite a bit more than double 68-80%.

I was actually trying to give you wannabe "DOW" financial advisors a fighting chance by breaking it down to average annual gains, where Trump is not far behind Obama on that count.

But have it your way.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2647548]I said that Europe is smarter than Republicans and I was correct.[/QUOTE]Can you explain how the USA having an incompetent president and is weak in international foreign policy makes Europe smarter? Did they help elect our incompetent president to make the EU stronger? Or are you just babbling nonsense?

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2647391]So does that make around 250 million Americans that do not own guns?

I think so, but not all are voters.

Those gun owners need to behave themselves.

Or their asses will get out voted.[/QUOTE]They will behave until "behaving" isn't appropriate anymore.

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/biden-approval-drops-35-percent/2022/01/06/id/1051303/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/yougov-leader-american-citizens/2022/01/05/id/1051221/[/URL]

Outvoted? Yeah right like Nov 2020?

The dnc has been trying to take their guns for over 50 yrs.

Rhetorical question?

Why do you think they "stockpile" so many guns.

I call them a "rainy day arsenal".

Nov 2024?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2647609]Amazing someone like you with absolutely no knowledge of the market and investing can contradict all the major financial institutions in the USA.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/headline/trump-respond-biden-jan-6/2022/01/06/id/1051282/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2647659][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/headline/trump-respond-biden-jan-6/2022/01/06/id/1051282/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]"Never forget the crime of the 2020 Presidential Election. Never give up!"[/QUOTE]- Donald J. Trump, the worst so-called potus in history.

Leave it to an America-hating Repub to declare free and fair elections in America to be a "crime".

Trump should have insisted his DOJ look at whatever evidence there was for an alleged pro Biden "crime" in that election and take action to prosecute those responsible for it.

Oh wait. He did. His DOJ found no evidence of it.

Then Trump should have insisted attorneys take their evidence to dozens of courts in the land to bring the perpetrators to justice. Take it to Repub judges, even Trump-appointed Repub judges just to be sure.

Oh wait. They did. They were laughed out of court.

BTW, why did "Cancel Culture" Repub Trump cancel his own planned televised distraction from the official Annual January 6 America-hating Anti-America Trump Insurrection Cop-Killing Mob Attack Reminder Ceremony?

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2647554]Like I previously said you obviously are not knowledgeable in the market. The clients that sold their stock when Trump was elected took their loss and market increased dramatically in 2017. My clients did not buy back in and they lost millions. Since you know nothing about investing I will try to explain to you that when someone's portfolio is up 68-80 per cent in 4 years of Trump presidencies their is no other side to it. Their net worth has gone up 68-80 percent. There has not been a crash in the last 20 years. Their have been corrections in the market for extraordinary reasons but to someone that has some knowledge they look at those corrections as opportunities. My clients make more money after a correction which is proven over the last 50 years. You stick to your government handout and I will stick to making my clients millions.[/QUOTE]So they defied your advice and sold out of the market when Trump took office and missed out on the gains in 2017 from the continuation of the historic upward Bull Market Run trajectory established and triggered by Obama and the Dems by their passage of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act passed in late February 2009 without a single Repub vote while Trump passed nothing until the last business day of that year 2017.

Then the year Trump's one and only significant economic "stimulus" legislation took effect, 2018, Trump had the first of his two Bear Market Crashes and it did not occur to you to advise them to buy back into the market at or near the bottom of either of them?

Sad. If you had advised them to do that they would have come out way ahead of just riding those two Trump Bear Market Crashes all the way down and back up again over the next four years. Well, the second one came back up again in historic fashion under Biden since a presidential term is only 4 years and not 5. But you know what I mean.

Or did you not notice Trump's first Bear Market Crash in 2018 and his second one in 2020?

[QUOTE=Canada;2647621]Can you explain how the USA having an incompetent president and is weak in international foreign policy makes Europe smarter?[/QUOTE]Why did you hold back this question for two to three years?

[QUOTE=Canada;2647621]Can you explain how the USA having an incompetent president and is weak in international foreign policy makes Europe smarter? Did they help elect our incompetent president to make the EU stronger? Or are you just babbling nonsense?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/donald-trump-truth-social-app/2022/01/06/id/1051347/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2647711]- Donald J. Trump, the worst so-called potus in history.

Leave it to an America-hating Repub to declare free and fair elections in America to be a "crime".

Trump should have insisted his DOJ look at whatever evidence there was for an alleged pro Biden "crime" in that election and take action to prosecute those responsible for it.

Oh wait. He did. His DOJ found no evidence of it.

Then Trump should have insisted attorneys take their evidence to dozens of courts in the land to bring the perpetrators to justice. Take it to Repub judges, even Trump-appointed Repub judges just to be sure.

Oh wait. They did. They were laughed out of court.

BTW, why did "Cancel Culture" Repub Trump cancel his own planned televised distraction from the official Annual January 6 America-hating Anti-America Trump Insurrection Cop-Killing Mob Attack Reminder Ceremony?[/QUOTE][URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/31/how-the-2020-election-was-rigged/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/headline/trump-respond-biden-jan-6/2022/01/06/id/1051282/[/URL]