Chat Rooms & Pen Pals

[QUOTE=Idaty; 1302296]I created a Facebook account just for mongering. Prior to traveling to Manila I added some new 'friends' and started trading email. Came across two 20 year old girls that were friends with one another and got phone numbers prior to arrival.

After getting to Manila and trading a few text I quickly determined these young ladies were interested in a 'friends with benefits' arrangement. Got the usual 'money for school' explanation. Turns out these girls lived 2+ hours outside of the big city so coordinating the first meet up was a pain in the ass. They were basically 2+ hours late. None of us should be surprised, right? Then the final 'negotiating' phase took forever. After getting fed up with the discussion I proffered 5000p for one pop with Ivy just to move things along. I know, I know. I overpaid especially considering P. Burgos was 500 m away. What can I say? I have a strong preference for non pros and this was clearly their 'pay for play' introduction. Also, neither of these girls had rode a foreigner's cock, nor had these two young things 'shared' the same cock. I felt a strong sense of civic obligation to give these girls such an experience.

A few days later, I did Beuna for another 5, 000p. Of course, I also fed these girls.

Net, net it probably wasn't worth it. Way too much hassle for the money. Neither of these girls was spectacular in bed; although, Ivy does have a very nice rack. Nevertheless, the possibility of a 'part time' PI girlfriend remains alluring. Much preferred to a pro or a series of pros.

Anyway, fire away senior mongers. I'm sure I'll get a load of crap about overpaying and driving up prices etc.[/QUOTE]You will not get any crap from me, since we all have overpaid for something at one time or another. Hunting for pussy in Asia is a learning experience, and we have all made mistakes. I have been to Quezon Ave in Quezon City and paid 5, 000 at a KTV, so do not feel bad about the cost. It is still cheaper then what you would have paid in the USA My suggestion is to learn from your mistakes and figure out how to get sex without paying for it, or paying very little for it (if you are going to do the online dating stuff).

My suggestion is to discuss with the girl online, in a romantic and loving way, about the girl staying with you in your hotel. If she likes you a lot, or loves you, she will want to stay with you and have sex (they consider it making love) without any exchange of money. If you like her anyway, have a true GFE will be very enjoyable. Of course, take her to dinner, movies, etc, as anyone would do with a girlfriend.

Now, for the downside. Being online meeting girls takes up a lot of your time. If you are just coming to PI for sex and do not want a long term relathionship, it is cheaper and easier to go to Angeles City, Quezon City, and any of the other many places where sex can be had for cheap. For example, in Angeles City, a barfine to take a girl out for 12 hours cost as low as 1, 200 (on A. Santos street). Ohter bar fines at the clubs range from 1, 500 to 3, 000.

I understand your point about not wanting a pro. That is why, in the past, I have had real girlfriends in the PI that I see regularly when I go back to PI. These girls have regular jobs and are looking for a boyfriend from another country. I have never paid them for sex. However, I have taken them to dinner, movies, etc.

Another way to get non-pros is to meet girls on their job (e. G, mall sales clerks, fast food places, etc). I have met several by being their customer in the mall. I am really nice, friendly, I dress nice, I tell them they have a cute smile, etc. I often say,"your boyfriend is so lucky." If they say no boyfriend, then I proceed to tell them I would love to take them to the dinner at jollieBees and the movies (which cost about 700P for the both of us). I find that most Filipinas are very easy to talk to. With women in their 30s and 40s, sex often takes place on the first or second date. With the younger girls (18 to 25) who are non pros, it takes a lot more effort and time. By the 3rd or 4th date, sex takes place. My situtation is different then most, I work in HK and travel to PI many times during the year. So I have time to spend with the girls.

What works for me, will not work for every guy. And, what works for some guys, will not work for me. Find the method that works best for you to obtain GFE sex at no or very little cost.

Here is the great news about the Philippines. According to Wikipedia, "there are an estimated 800,000 women working as prostitutes in the Philippines" Thus, finding sex in PI is really really easy. Plus, there a ton of regular girls (non-pros) of all shapes, ages, and sizes looking for a guy just like you and me -- who do not require payment for sex! I have been going to the PI for the past 25 plus years and I have experienced it first hand. Have fun!

I am sure some of us have had experiences with runners. You know. You barely wipe off the love goo from the first round, and she is already cleand up, dressed, and has her hand out. I have been thinking of a negotiating scheam to avoid this and keep the upper hand and wish to pass it along for other's opinions.

This would apply to FLs and not bar fine girls since you already paid the bar fine. (I suppose yoiu can decide her tip here)

I tend to go more for the FL ladies than the bar fine girls anyways.

My thinking.

I would tell them this after agreeing to price. I will use 1500Peso in this case. I would set a time (Say until 8:30AM) that they must be with me or until I say its ok to go before 8:30. And if you decide to leave before 8:30, that is fine, but then it is I that will decide your fee wheather it be 1 peso or 1500 peso. I figure the money must be locked in the safe so you keep the upper hand. She lives up to her end of the bargan you give her the whole 1500 peso (fair is fair). If not, and your pissed that she is leaving already so soon, then your discretion to pay whatever. This negotiating would be done in a very civil manner as not to distroy the relationship.

Your thoughts?

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1302621]My suggestion is to discuss with the girl online, in a romantic and loving way, about the girl staying with you in your hotel. If she likes you a lot, or loves you, she will want to stay with you and have sex (they consider it making love) without any exchange of money. If you like her anyway, have a true GFE will be very enjoyable. Of course, take her to dinner, movies, etc, as anyone would do with a girlfriend.

Now, for the downside. Being online meeting girls takes up a lot of your time. If you are just coming to PI for sex and do not want a long term relathionship, it is cheaper and easier to go to Angeles City, Quezon City, and any of the other many places where sex can be had for cheap. For example, in Angeles City, a barfine to take a girl out for 12 hours cost as low as 1, 200 (on A. Santos street). Ohter bar fines at the clubs range from 1, 500 to 3, 000.[/QUOTE]Undercoverh, thanks for the very well considered response. I think you really captured the essential point. If you're only in the PI for a short time or travel there intermittently then establishing a relationship with a regular girl will be much more difficult. Not impossible; but, definitely more of a challenge.

I would also add targeting younger girls in the 19-21 year old range and offering 'no commitment' for a long term relationship up front, further complicates the situation.

Based on this, I think the best play is to cultivate relationships with regular girls whilst pulling bar girls as needed. Hopefully, I find a regular girl or a semi pro that makes me forget all the rest.

I always think who cares what other mongers pay, if the girl puts up her price because she got 5000 last time I just say next girl please, some girls offer sex for less that month once they get 5000 as rent and utilities are paid and they only need rice money.

The other point is never think a girl is not a pro, if she is online or in a bar she is a pro, and if you think you can bed a a non pro when you visit here you might get a bunny boiler who will stalk you for the rest of you life. Us guys who live here do break in the girls because we can get so many, often our first line after paying for sex is " can you sex my friend who is in town?" so the guys who post here thinking they are hot for finding non pros think about it. To the guy who pays 5000 come to Cebu I know girls who really want to meet you.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1302423]Believe me. In Mongering it is not good to have 20-20 vision. You might find fault with all the girls you meet and end up alone. Some ladyboys can fool you. Better chat on cam to make sure it is a girl.[/QUOTE]And don't forget to call them when they are on cam so you know how the voice sounds. Make an innocent enquiry when she's on cam if she has her phone with her. Then 20 minutes later call. First up she will be happy with a suprise call from overseas, second if she refuses to answer. Maybe its a ladyboy alert.

[QUOTE=Frenzy3;1302685]I always think who cares what other mongers pay, if the girl puts up her price because she got 5000 last time I just say next girl please, some girls offer sex for less that month once they get 5000 as rent and utilities are paid and they only need rice money.[/QUOTE]Concur F3. Otherwise, she wouldn't be asking for 5000. I just met with a Manila girl. She was recommended by another guy who met her online. She's a bombshell, model material he said from the pics she sent and on cam. My buddy said she was willing to do anything for him, including getting other girls, but she wanted nothing less than 5000. He agreed to that amount, but did not session with her later. In txting this morning before meeting, she mentioned the usual needs, saying she hoped I would give her 5000. We met for coffee in the mall, but she wanted to go right to the hotel. Once in the room, I told her the 5000 was good imagination, and I offered the following:

1000 for naked pics only. 1500 pics + nawty. 2000 if she made me think she was my gf for a while."OK. I want that 2000. Hope you handle me. But I not stay more than 3 hours." That's fine, as that's an hour longer than I usually keep them (such a deal). Admittedly she looks better with clothes on, than off (baby stretch marks) , but holy shit she's energetic. Proof positive that even the lookers are willing to dicker. But there are always guys out there who think the 5000 is the great deal: "Where I come from we pay 10 times that to get her." Yes, and where she comes from, you've now paid 2. 5 times what she's worth.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1302719]2000 if she made me think she was my gf for a while.[/QUOTE]I like that WC. That is a line that I will definitely start putting to use.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1302752]I like that WC. That is a line that I will definitely start putting to use.[/QUOTE]That can turn a starfish into a horny little DFK'ing devil-ette. Assuming you are prepared to give a tip (often times I don't give anything other than jeep money) , use the tip as leverage: "Your tip depends on how much I feel you become my girlfriend here in the bed. Not just a provider." Woof!

I need my eyes checked. I cannot see from the picture that this is a Lima Bravo.

How can you Boofa69?

[QUOTE=Boofa69;1301995]Man, we no need to be warned here. If you can't tell this is a ladyboy you should go get your eyes checked.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marconista; 1302805]I need my eyes checked. I cannot see from the picture that this is a Lima Bravo.

How can you Boofa69?[/QUOTE]Could be just another pinay?

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1302621]You will not get any crap from me, since we all have overpaid for something at one time or another. Hunting for pussy in Asia is a learning experience, and we have all made mistakes. I have been to Quezon Ave in Quezon City and I understand your point about not wanting a pro. That is why, in the past, I have had real girlfriends in the PI that I see regularly when I go back to PI. These girls have regular jobs and are looking for a boyfriend from another country. I have never paid them for sex. However, I have taken them to dinner, movies, etc.

What works for me, will not work for every guy. And, what works for some guys, will not work for me. Find the method that works best for you to obtain GFE sex at no or very little cost.

Here is the great news about the Philippines. According to Wikipedia,"there are an estimated 800, 000 women working as prostitutes in the Philippines" Thus, finding sex in PI is really really easy. Plus, there a ton of regular girls (non-pros) of all shapes, ages, and sizes looking for a guy just like you and me. Who do not require payment for sex! I have been going to the PI for the past 25 plus years and I have experienced it first hand. Have fun![/QUOTE]All girls require boyfriends to service them off and on. Many girls do not want romantic hassles and readily meet a foreigner who visits once or twice a year.

IMHO none are free. My target group is 18-23. If I want older I do not need to go to Phi. Ofcourse I have chatted with 30 something women who have job and money and offered company to me saying she does not need any money. Phi is only one of the very few dwindling places where older foreign visitors can taste young women non-pros.

If there are young women who will gladly fuck the brains out of an older foreign man without any demands let me know!

I have enjoyed company of many a young women in my target group all non pros. Although few are shy and do not talk about money none have refused when offered. Usually they start of by asking you to bring gifts. Most often asked is camera and cell phone. Camera you can take one cheap. But they know all about cell phones, so better take a good one with all the features.

As for money if the girl satisfies my needs and good company I am going to be generous. I also have a soft spot for desperately poor girls who show up with couple of used dresses and worn out shoes. I have spent 8000 or more to get her a decent wardrobe with shoes, bras, panties and elegant dresses. I am sure some maybe still wearing them. In addition I am generous with money and have sent money monthly too. Ofcourse I have been rewarded every time I go there and stay with them.

Since I like to switch girls often rarely I keep in touch with the same girl more than a year. Luckily for me there is no dearth of good looking young women in Phi.

In my opinion using girls for sex even if they are normal girls and not paying some money and not giving any gifts is not good.

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[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1302621]You will not get any crap from me, since we all have overpaid for something at one time or another. Hunting for pussy in Asia is a learning experience, and we have all made mistakes. I have been to Quezon Ave in Quezon City and I understand your point about not wanting a pro. That is why, in the past, I have had real girlfriends in the PI that I see regularly when I go back to PI. These girls have regular jobs and are looking for a boyfriend from another country. I have never paid them for sex. However, I have taken them to dinner, movies, etc.

What works for me, will not work for every guy. And, what works for some guys, will not work for me. Find the method that works best for you to obtain GFE sex at no or very little cost.

Here is the great news about the Philippines. According to Wikipedia,"there are an estimated 800, 000 women working as prostitutes in the Philippines" Thus, finding sex in PI is really really easy. Plus, there a ton of regular girls (non-pros) of all shapes, ages, and sizes looking for a guy just like you and me. Who do not require payment for sex! I have been going to the PI for the past 25 plus years and I have experienced it first hand. Have fun![/QUOTE]All girls require boyfriends to service them off and on. Many girls do not want romantic hassles and readily meet a foreigner who visits once or twice a year.

IMHO none are free. My target group is 18-23. If I want older I do not need to go to Phi. Ofcourse I have chatted with 30 something women who have job and money and offered company to me saying she does not need any money. Phi is only one of the very few dwindling places where older foreign visitors can taste young women non-pros.

If there are young women who will gladly fuck the brains out of an older foreign man without any demands let me know!

I have enjoyed company of many a young women in my target group all non pros. Although few are shy and do not talk about money none have refused when offered. Usually they start of by asking you to bring gifts. Most often asked is camera and cell phone. Camera you can take one cheap. But they know all about cell phones, so better take a good one with all the features.

As for money if the girl satisfies my needs and good company I am going to be generous. I also have a soft spot for desperately poor girls who show up with couple of used dresses and worn out shoes. I have spent 8000 or more to get her a decent wardrobe with shoes, bras, panties and elegant dresses. I am sure some maybe still wearing them. In addition I am generous with money and have sent money monthly too. Ofcourse I have been rewarded every time I go there and stay with them.

Since I like to switch girls often rarely I keep in touch with the same girl more than a year. Luckily for me there is no dearth of good looking young women in Phi.

In my opinion using girls for sex even if they are normal girls and not paying some money and not giving any gifts is not good.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1302867]As for money if the girl satisfies my needs and good company I am going to be generous. I also have a soft spot for desperately poor girls who show up with couple of used dresses and worn out shoes.[/QUOTE]Agreed, Sam. Some girls will get greedy when generosity is displayed but I have found that the province girls are just thrilled to receive gifts like that. I don't normally buy them expensive things, tho. Maybe a nice dress or bikini and of course dinner. I like to bring an assortment of real nice C, D and DD bras with me and see if I can find girls who will fit them. Sort of a modern day monger's version of getting fitted for the glass slipper.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1302867]As for money if the girl satisfies my needs and good company I am going to be generous. In my opinion using girls for sex even if they are normal girls and not paying some money and not giving any gifts is not good.[/QUOTE]This thread about overpaying has produced lots of discussion and I think illustrates the point that members of this board have all sorts of different hopes and agendas. There is a common denominator that all of us are seeking sex with some cute young thing. But some are looking for a long-term relationship, some want shorter-term girlfriends, and some just want no-strings, no-hassles p4p. I've noticed that some of the members who just want p4p reduce everything to a simple ratio of sex vs. Dollars, and then ridicule anyone who "overpays." Speaking personally, after a couple of decades in the hobby, sex with a stranger just no longer has much luster. It's like eating fast food. It fills up an empty stomach but is unsatisfying and leaves me sort of ill afterwards. The Philippines presents a unique opportunity because there's not much language barrier and Filipinas are naturally gregarious and eager to meet foreigners. It's very, very different from my years in China and Japan, where language difficulties and cultural barriers make it difficult to develop real relationships. Right now I'm in an ongoing relationship with a pretty, sweet girl in her 20s. I would never have a shot at a girl like this in the US. She never, ever asks for money, but it's natural for me to send her some because I care about her. She can't find work and is stuck at home watching the nieces and nephews. The little bit I send allows her to have access to the internet and phone to call me and allows her to help her family a bit or enjoy a few little treats for herself. It makes me happy to do it. Of course I know that every time I sent her 50 bucks I could barfine a working girl for a LT session. But that's really beside the point. I'm not looking for a bar-girl experience. But that's just my personal story now. I don't judge guys who are heavy into the bar scene because I know I would have been there years ago. So I'd just like to see a bit more civility on this board. If I can, I'd like to help a fellow monger pursue his dream and not ridicule him because he doesn't follow mine.

The subject of payment has been done to death (as has most relevant subjects) on ISG forums so many times over the years. Nobody can arbitrate on what a girl is worth in p4p terms and so it is a totally pointless discussion which will never reach a satisfactory outcome. One guy might view a particular girl as a bargain at 5000 pesos whereas another guy would be loath to 'buy' the same girl for 500. It is all so very subjective. Plus everyone has differing budgets and the visitor who is living on 5000 pesos a day will have different parameters to the one who has 20000 available. What is for sure is that both should have a good time and will be able to find what they are looking for within their budgetary constraints.

I personally have never given more than 3000 for services rendered. And that was for guaranteed superb service with more or less everything available from a girl that I considered to be a ten on my personal Richter scale. And it was worth every centavo. Usually I give on a scale 1500 to 2500 dependent on what is on offer and the looks / quality of the lady. I only do ST liaisons so I imagine the LT rate should be on a scale of 2000-5000.

For a GF freebie, you would, of course, at the end of the day be paying considerably more!